‘Homosexuality Is a Sin’: Rick Perry Tells Bisexual Teen Why He Opposes Gays in the Military
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry got put in the hot seat by a 14-year-old, allegedly bi-sexual young woman at a stop in Decorah, Iowa, last night. The girl challenged Perry on his stance on gays in the the military.
She interjected into an otherwise jovial exchange after the campaign event, and with cameras rolling, asked Perry:
”Im just wondering why you are so opposed to gays openly serving in the military and wondering why you want to deny them that freedom when they’re fighting and dying for your rights.”
Perry handled the loaded question with poise, though his answer did meander a bit. Below is the gist of of what he said:
“This is about my faith…there are a whole host of sins, homosexuality being one of them, I‘m a sinner and so I’m not gonna be the first one to throw a stone, it’s just like the Boy Scouts…that again is one of those issues that I don’t agree with… i don’t agree that openly gays should serve in the military…Don‘t ask don’t tell was working… I hate the sin but i love the sinner”
You can watch the full exchange between Perry and his teenage questioner below, courtesy of National Journal:
(H/T: Mediaite)
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:25am@Moderation
Thank you. I was wondering where in the heck you were getting your accusations from. :)
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:33amYeah I really dunno what I could have thought I was reading lol. I’m man enough to admit my mistakes.
Report Post »Anamah
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:58amHomosexuality is normal in some % of any population. How in the world this man can be so ignorant and retrograde is hard to understand. This is a problem with republicans, you can love the bible but you must learn evolution and history and that is other than religion is education and science.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:05pmNormal and abnormal arguments are futile and pointless, and frankly, I find that avoiding that road is the best, as its premise is so flimsy as to collapse at even a cursory examination.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:09pmANAMAH… Don’t ask, don’t tell!! Did you hear the man??? American’s had no problem with gays is the military.. its when they cram their sinful lifestyle down our throats is what is disgusting.. Why do they feel they must tell the whole world?? Its not any of our businesses.. I tell you why they do it it… because it makes them feel validated.. they deep inside know its a sin.. but if we can just get tthe masses to choke to death on it and accept it then its okay.. WRONG! It will never be right… read your scriptures and it plainly says what being gay is.. A SIN! God help us!
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:12pmRick Perry is a cartoon.
Honestly, he’s a GREAT representative for Christianity. He’s ignorant and proud of it. He looks down his nose at people smarter than him. Yea, he’s an accurate reflection.
Report Post »BibleGunClinger
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:53pmPerry was right on.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:00pm@Bible Quotin Science Fearin Conservative American,
And you are a good example of the swine Jesus told us not to cast our pearls before….
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:01pm…and is anyone the least bit concerned that a 14 year old child self ID’s as bi-sexual?
Where the hell are her parents?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:18pmNo seriously..how did Perry stop himself from laughing at a “bi-sexual” demanding principles from someone? What does she do..dip her finger into her mouth and test the wind to see which way she’ll go that week?
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:24pm@Anamah
“Homosexuality is normal in some % of any population.”
I beg your pardon? That may be true but it doesn’t make IT normal behavior.
On a side note:
“Texas Gov. Rick Perry got put in the hot seat by a 14-year-old, allegedly bi-sexual young woman…”
A girl that age shouldn’t be sexual anything IMHO.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:34pmLOOKTOWARDS…homosexuals consistently make up less than 2% of the population. However, over 55% of HIV cases in this country are from homosexuals. That’s an overrepresentation of 2,750%. Clearly, physiologically the human species is not designed to accomodated male homosexuality but homosexuals and their advocates still claim they’re “normal”.
Report Post »ajohio
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 4:31pm@Anamah
Report Post »A % of population thinks stealing is Ok, … adultury is OK, …. lying is OK, …Gossiping is OK, … murdering is OK, … should I go on. Does that make these all OK? All of these sins have been around for thousands of years, since humans first sinned. God did not create these ‘rules’ to make our lives miserable, but to improve our lives, our communities and world. Your life is not about you it is about your relationship with God and others around you. As soon as more realize that the better and happier we will all be.
Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 6:18pmBIBLEGUNCLINGER
Obama was right on when he called you people bible and gun clingers. And you got so mad about it. Truth hurts, home schooler.
Report Post »marion
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 6:20pmIf you are gay, you are gay. I do not need, nor do I want, to know what your sexual preference or practice is, it’s just one of those images I prefer not to have floating around in my mind. If it was so “normal”, the human race would be extinct, so no, it isn’t about the sexual deviant practices of a few, it is the fact you have to hoist your beliefs as being “normal” or “acceptable” in society. You want to be treated equal? Keep your bedroom practices to yourself. Don’t ask, don’t tell worked just fine. There are two gay types that are in the military. Those that remain quiet and keep to themselves their sexual practices, and those that were more into flaunting they weren’t quite as tough as they wanted to show. The former weren’t a threat or problem in close quarters, the latter tended to make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end.
Report Post »Clara88
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 7:09pmThe latest from the Gov Rick Perry Campaign….
Report Post »http://www.rickperry.org/home/
thegrassroots
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 8:05pmGovernor Perry did a great job of graciously refusing to be politically correct.
Report Post »Clara88
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 9:57pmVeterans are supporting a VETERAN….Gov Rick Perry
Report Post »Our military deserves a Commander In Chief they can be PROUD of and RESPECT
GOD BLESS OUR BRAVE MILITARY AND OUR BELOVED BRAVE VETERANS
http://www.rickperry.org/veterans/
AND..he doesn’t golf…he likes guns *SMILE*
GOD BLESS THE 2ND AMENDMENT
Clara88
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 1:26pmRon Paul is a 9/11 Truther and said that the Bush Administration was full of GLEE after 9/11
Report Post »SHAME ON HIM!!
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/12/20/yes-virginia-ron-paul-is-a-911-truther-and-a-coddler-of-racists/
Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 4:14pmI am Republican but I disagree with them on 2 main issues and one being homosexuality. I am in the upper 3% of the most educated people in the world and a very religious Christian. First, the King James Bible was translated in the 1700s by 47 translators just to give you an idea and has been translated over and over again, second Jesus never mentions homosexuality, third as a psychologist I know that sexual orientation is determined at the ages 5-6 and God would not make a baby a sinner, forth the word homosexual was not even a word until 1869, 5th, 6th, 7, 8th, etc the Bible never mentions homosexual love, also in the Bible it was okay to have slaves, women couldn’t be in the church, it is a sin to wear two different forms of clothing, for ex. Wearing cotton and linen would be a sin, eating pork and shellfish was a sin and the list goes on and on. The Bible has changed as the culture of the day has changed each time it is translated but please read below because no one ever mentions this when they say “oh homosexual is a sin in the Bible.”
Paraphrased from Luke – They come up on some water. Now, remember, this is in the desert. There is no water in the
Report Post »desert. Luke, who wrote this, felt this was a “God-thing.” And the eunuch asked Philip “What is
to prevent me from being baptized?” It’s an interesting way to phrase the question, but yes,
there was something. The law. The fact that he was sexually unfit.
But Philip was shaped more by the Spirit than by
Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 4:28pmI was over 1500 characters so here is the rest in full – fyi
Report Post »Paraphrased from Luke – They come up on some water. Now, remember, this is in the desert. There is no water in the desert. Luke, who wrote this, felt this was a “God-thing.” And the eunuch asked Philip “What is to prevent me from being baptized?” It’s an interesting way to phrase the question, but yes, there was something. The law. The fact that he was sexually unfit. But Philip was shaped more by the Spirit than by the law; more by the love of Jesus Christ than the legalism of Moses. And Philip baptized the eunuch and the eunuch went on his way rejoicing. FYI – eunuch was gay if you are to stupid and God made water in a desert so the gay could be baptized and go on rejoicing.
Tired_of_The_Liberal_Spin
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 6:02am@ANAMAH “This is a problem with republicans” ??!! Wow, that’s a huge ignorant brush you have there.
@ANAMAH “you must learn evolution” ??!! Are you suggesting the human race is evolving into homosexuality? Damn, I may not know the exact mental and/or chemical conditions that causes a person to be attracted to the a member of the same sex, but I can sure say it has NOTHING to do with “evolution”. That would be similarly illogical as to suggest that stupidity and ignorance is increasing due to “evolution”.
Report Post »sapper
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:25amhomosexuality is wrong because it’s abnormal. Sex is for procreation and homosexuals cannot procreate. It is a perversion and happens to not only be a sin but one of the few specifically called out by God’s word as an abomination. We know instinctively from childhood that it’s abnormal. I can remember at about 7 years old recognizing homosexuality as being wrong…..without being told by an adult or reading it in the Bible either. Just knew it was off somehow. The correct answer would have been “because it’s abnormal, disgusting and an abomination to the God I serve. I don’t like it, don‘t have to like it and if you don’t like that…..too freaking bad.”
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:43amQuestion: You’ve just defined sex as being for procreation, and gave no other justification for it. Are you telling me that a man and wife having sex for the unifying and closeness is somehow wrong? Are you telling me that a man and wife having sex just because they love each other and enjoy it, that they are somehow being abnormal?
Report Post »IM1Ashman
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:07pmGreat post Sapper. GhostofJefferson, you, as most progressives, miss the entire point. The WORD OF GOD, the HOLY SCRIPTURES, state that homosexuality is wrong. As Christians, we are to follow God’s direction, God’s Holy Word, God’s commandments. Everyone sins and falls short of God. However, that does not mean we stop listening to God or stop following His direction for our lives according to HIS WORD. Leviticus18:22 “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.” Leviticus 20:13 “If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.” Romans 1:26-27: “For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. (27) Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.” And what is the judgement of God for them??? Romans1:32 states: “who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same BUT ALSO APPROVE OF THOSE WHO PRACTICE THEM.”
Report Post »IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THIS: WHO DO YOU WISH TO SERVE AND FOLLOW??? MAN OR GOD, WHO CREATED YOU IN HIS OWN IMAGE. “AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, I WILL SERVE THE LORD!!!” YOUR ACTIONS DO HAVE CONSEQUENCE
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 2:45pmHi IM1A
If you think I’m a progressive, then you’re defining progressive in a manner that nobody before ever has. I asked a straight forward question, which he didn’t answer, and which you did not answer, choosing instead to apply highly inaccurate labels in order to smear.
My question remains. If you’re honest enough to take a stab at it, by all means, feel free to do so.
Report Post »UseReasonNotMagic
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 3:04pmso many things wrong with all of your arguments. You all suffer from major conformational bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)
The Bible says that a man laying with another man is an abomination, in the same book it says that eating shellfish and pork is an abomination and many other things that are considered normal today make the bibles abomination list.
Stop picking and choosing scripture to fit your point, it makes me cringe when i see people who think they are justified in denying some one else’s freedoms because it makes them feel icky or because a book says so. An ancient book that was edited, rewritten, edited again, then given to a king to edit how he likes, then rewritten.
Try to critically think through the major issues yourself using logic and reason, it will make you a stronger person as you will be able to fully explain all your beliefs and not just fall back to “someone told me so” and look to the bible. If you can do this, you will be better off than the majority of people in America today who just go where ever the wind blows
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 3:19pm@Use Reason
What is the flaw in my argument precisely? I don’t recall arguing actually, I was asking him a question, since he pigeonholed himself in his initial post. Explain to me the flaw in asking questions of a person who has walled himself in to the point that his rhetoric cannot wiggle out of the issues his walls have raised. Thanks.
Report Post »UseReasonNotMagic
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 4:05pmSorry, I was speaking to IM1Ashman and Sapper.
But your not gonna get any sort of logical response to your question. Most super religious folks simply don’t think their beliefs through all the way…Thats why they are called beliefs.
Good luck, keep fighting the logical fight!
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 4:12pm@Ghost of Jefferson
I think you are the only one with their feet planted firmly in reality on the particular string.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 4:42pmI’ll answer your question. I believe there has to be the chance of procreation. God made Adam and Eve, to procreate. Is it ONLY for procreation? No. But it’s part of it. We interfer with that process with various forms of “birth control.” With a homosexual relationship, there is NO possibility of procreation, even if it is pleasurable to the parties involved. And the main point of the post WAS that God calls it out as a sin. (A man shall not lie with a man as he does a woman – and I believe that to mean mankind, not just the male of the sex.) He doesn’t specifically state in the Bible (other than allowing the Song of Solomon) that sex is also for pleasure between a husband and wife. Although there is a part where it says a married couple should not withhold themselves from each other for an extended period of time (don’t ask where, I know it’s there). Will a child be produced with every coupling? No. Even without birth control. Still, no possibility at all with a same sex union.
Does that answer your question?
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 4:45pm@UseReasonNotMagic
Report Post »There was a list of things not to be eaten in the OLD Testiment. This was due to God handing down laws, and probably (my guess) due to cleanliness issues of the time. God later told one of the disciples (Paul, I think?) that anything He made was permissible to eat. He had a vision where a cloth was let down with all manner of animals, some forbidden by Jewish law, to be eaten and told him to eat. He said he would never defile himself, but God told him it was good to eat. I don’t recall anywhere in the Bible where God rescended the man lying with a man as a woman. When you find it, I’d love you to quote it to me, and that would be from the Bible, not the Quaran.
FieldHouseFishHouse
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 6:50pmThere is nothing evil about God’s creation. I believe that is the take-away message from Paul’s vision. As a scientist, I trust the evidence that homosexuality is part of God’s creation. Therefore I do not classify homosexual activity as a “sin” or an “abomination”. Homosexuality exists in nature (in both humans and animals, and no it does no cause extinction), and I do not see any evidence that homosexuality is inherently harmful (it can be harmful in the same ways herterosexual sex can be harmful). I have yet to hear a rigorous ethical argument against homosexuality (with the conclusion that it is objectively wrong). Most arguments go something like this: “God says it’s wrong”. In my experience, if a message from the Bible or other religious text cannot be backed up by reason, that message is probably a mis-interpretation to begin with.
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 7:12pmEven it it wasn’t a sin it still is
Report Post »very unhygienic. If your a Christian it
is considered a sin. Bottom line. So is
being judgmental, hyprocritical, among other
things. Jesus even tells us our thoughts
can be sinful. So if your a Christian don’t
be a homosexual. If your not a Christian don’t
argue with Christians about what they believe.
Islesfordian
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 8:09pm“Homosexuality exists in nature”
This is an idiotic statement without a shred of evidence to back it up. One could say that homosexual ACTS exist in nature, but homosexuality, if it is the modern notion of a consistent sexual orientation, has never been shown to exist in animals.
But regardless, dogs humping trees also exist in nature. They also eat their vomit. When was animal behavior a fitting example of human morality?
Report Post »UseReasonNotMagic
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 8:55pm@FieldHouseFishHouse
I fully agree with you! It is refreshing to see a logical approach to religion.
There are plenty of studies that show homosexuality in all of nature. All the studies couldn’t prove this to @Islesfordian. People with that strong of a reaction will never agree because they are not looking for new information to shape new ideas, they are looking for new information to re-enforce their previous ideas.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:24amSick and tragic that a 14-year-old is already sexually confused. What is going on, people?
Report Post »landman1
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:38amThe question came from somebody that says that they are bi-sexual. How can some body that can’t even decide which team that they play for question Mr. Perry for his views. At least he has a solid position and is not vasalating.
Report Post »noczars
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 3:56pmThey are pushing the gay agenda in our middle schools (possiblly elementry) all the way through college. I have three children (now 25 and 26) my twin daughter started out loving and adoring “John Boy” and having posters in her room of lots of male stars. She went into Fullerton College and had “gay sites” on her home computer within 2 weeks. She now is proud to be gay and wants to adopt a child. Oh! and she now says she was born that way.
Report Post »Centralsville
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:23amHomosexuality at best is a sick perversion of nature. Our government should not be promoting it, as with any sick perversion it should be hidden in the closet. Homosexuals need help because they are sick in the head.
Report Post »FieldHouseFishHouse
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 6:52pmSex is also a perversion of nature. God intended us to reproduce asexually. Or even better, to undergo split in two like yeast and bacteria.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:22am@SCHEXBP
Exactly. People are full of Teh Dramas I’m afraid.
Report Post »IM1Ashman
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:13pmYOU SHOULD BE…SO SAD. FOLLOW GOD, NOT MAN….THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS COUNTRY. THE ONLY WAY THIS COUNTRY WILL BECOME GREAT AGAIN IS TO DO THE FOLLOWING: “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.” II CHRONICLES 7:14. REMEMBER, THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VALUES AND OUR FOUNDING FATHERS KNEW THAT GOD WAS THE CORNERSTONE THAT THIS COUNTRY MUST BE BUILT UPON.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 2:46pmI should be what?
Report Post »BoomSlander
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:20amJesus was closer with sinners than he was with the “righteous” when he walked te earth. Christians today think that sinners should be ostracized and ridiculed. My how ones have changed.
Oh, and Rick Perry’s religious beliefs have no place in our federal government. We are not a theocracy.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:34amJesus loved sinners, not the sin. He came to save them FROM their sins, not IN their sins. In other words, repent and be saved.
There is no room in a civilized society for low moral standards. The founders knew we wouldn’t survive with the type of government they left us unless we were a moral and virtuous society.
All sins are bad, some are worse. Some disqualify you from certain activities. Perry was right.
Report Post »Conkuur
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:36amhe certainly was because lets face a bit of logic. Those who are saved are saved he spent time with sinners to lead them to the light so they also could find their way, also hence the reason he spent more time with them being an example.No one here is ostracizing the person it’s the behavior. I think you know that though you just thought you could twist what little you know about Jesus and scripture to your agenda. You failed badly.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:40amYour an idiot!
The reason, “Jesus was closer to sinners than he was with the rightous”, is because “there is none rightous, no not one.” (not even you)
“Christians today think that sinners should be ostracized and ridiculed.”
Your a liar too!!
No one is talking about “ostrasizing” anyone. But sin IS NOT to be condoned either. No more than murder, pedophillia or any other sin. Or in your case here, lying!
Did you even read the article?? Perry said, “hate the sin and love the sinner”.
No we DO NOT have to put up with homosexuals trying to normalize their sick perversions and push it off on us and our kids.
Bash Christians all you want. The only self rightous idiot I see is you!!!!!
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:43amYour an idiot!
The reason, “Jesus was closer to sinners than he was with the rightous”, is because “there is none rightous, no not one.” (not even you)
“Christians today think that sinners should be ostracized and ridiculed.”
Your a liar too!!
No one is talking about “ostrasizing” anyone. But sin IS NOT to be condoned either. No more than murder pedophillia or any other sin. Or in your case, lying.
Did you even read the article?? Perry said, “hate the sin and love the sinner”.
No we DO NOT have to put up with homosexuals trying to normalize their sick perversions and push it off on us and our kids.
Bash Christians all you want. The only self rightous idiot I see is you!!!!!
Report Post »BoomSlander
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:21pmRational man, why don’t you read the responses to this article. The gay hate
is all around you. Homosexuality is a disease and should be classified in the DSM? Homosexuals have “sick perversions”? That’s exactly WWJD.
How has a homosexual EVER effected you. What have they “pushed” on you? They are simply asking to be afforded the same rights as all other Americans.
And here’s an FYI, murder has a grave effect on the victim. They die. Pedophilia has a great effect on others. A child gets raped. If two men low each other and live with one another it has no effect on any other person.
If you’re going to tout yourself as rational you should exhibit some form of rational thought.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:55pmWell your obviouly ignorant as to the effects and ultimate destruction of civilizations throughout history that have embraced homosexuality. WWJD? He would not and does not condone homosexuality. Jesus would rather the sinner repent instead of rebel and make excuses. It is clear in the Bible. Sexual perversion and moral relativism always leads to more sin. As if sexual perversion isn’t bad enough. Normalizing homosexuality in America will only lead us down the same road to destruction that Rome, Soddom, Gomora and others have gone.
Report Post »IM1Ashman
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:21pmDon’t you realize that our founding fathers built this country upon judeo christian values and believed that god was and should always be an integral part of government and education. Read your history. Know your history…And not the rewritten history of the progressives…Go to the source..The actual letters of our founding fathers. And before you say, “what about the separation of church and state?” show me in the constitution where those words exist? You cant because they dont. The first amendment states: “congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” do you get it???? Congress may not make a law stopping us from freely exercising our religious values….Or have you even read our constitution. Who gave us our rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness??? God…Not man…Get your facts straight before posting.
Report Post »ckokkola
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 4:05pmOliver Ellsworth
Chief-Justice of the Supreme Court
[T]he primary objects of government are the peace, order, and prosperity of society. . . . To the promotion of these objects, particularly in a republican government, good morals are essential. Institutions for the promotion of good morals are therefore objects of legislative provision and support: and among these . . . religious institutions are eminently useful and important. . . . [T]he legislature, charged with the great interests of the community, may, and ought to countenance, aid and protect religious institutions—institutions wisely calculated to direct men to the performance of all the duties arising from their connection with each other, and to prevent or repress those evils which flow from unrestrained passion.
(Source: Connecticut Courant, June 7, 1802, p. 3, Oliver Ellsworth, to the General Assembly of the State of Connecticut)
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 7:42pm@CKOKOLA You are right..but so was my former pastor..Try reading Romans 1: 21-32 It’s kind of like His own were chosen from the foundations of the world..yet it is the responsiblilty of the chosen to be in obedience and do the necessary actions to complete it.
Report Post »TC
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 9:37pmQuote “BOOMSLANDER
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:20am
Jesus was closer with sinners than he was with the “righteous” when he walked te earth. Christians today think that sinners should be ostracized and ridiculed. My how ones have changed.”
All have fallen short of the glory of God, therefore the “righteous” as you post were sinners too. They just didn’t acknowledge that fact and therefore, were unwilling to hear Jesus or follow him. You are no different than the “sinners” or the “righteous”. The only righteousness that counts is in Christ. That was his message to any who had ears to hear.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:16amYes it is a sin Rick, but you also think that Imm-ivasion is OK.
Delusional Hypocrite.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:19amNo you are delusional. You out yourself or we out you. We separate & we live in two separate communities. No violence involved. Cheers!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:21amSpot on. Governor Gardisil does not know his a@@ from his hat.
Report Post »nueces
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:13amWe have now reached the point of not only condoning sexual perversion in this nation but promoting it and condoning it. Next comes bigamy and the cults that practice it in which teenage girls are traded like cattle. Then the age of consent for pedophilia being lowered bit by bit until adult/child sex is normalized. There comes a point where the general morality of the people is so poor that the rule of law ceases to exist. We are very close to that point. AT that point the cure is what God did to Sodom and Gomorra. Or what the Israelites were ordered to do to the peoples of Canaan who sacrificed their children to idols.
Most on these boards think there are political solutions to what ails this land. Not so.
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:21am“Most on these boards think there are political solutions to what ails this land. Not so.”
I think you are correct. Very very correct.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:26amWe already spend 338.3 billion on illegals every year..so this is where Perry and I cross hairs.. But as for the Sodom and Gommorah..I was just thinking that…but my pastor at the time set me straight on Sodom and Gommorrah..He said..and it is scriptural..that they turned their faces from God and did not give honor and thanks to Him..and so He turned them over to perverseness.. So their condition of homosexuality and abnormal sex…stems from their turning their faces from him.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:28amYou noticed about 3 or 4 months ago JZS felt comfortable to post his photo along with his written posts. With Obama elected & the repeal of DADT, the LGBT feel very confident. Now JZD should feel safe & secure in public. That is the only way society should be. But LGBT also think that their way is correct and that anyone who thinks differently is a cavemen. There is literally no reasoning with them.
Report Post »PPMStudios
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:35amYou were doing okay until you brought in pedophilia.
Pedophilia and Homosexuality are two VERY different things…. Don’t confuse them… Pedophilia is the ABSOLUTE worse crime one human can commit on another!
Whereas Homosexuality can be argued from either a ‘Nature Vs Nurture’ or a ‘perversion’ point of view. We don’t know yet….
Report Post »nueces
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:04pmPPMS Studios,
I’m just saying that sexual perversion increases and modifies as it grows. Filth breeds filth. I might add as well that there is significant literature and psychological testing results that indicate that homosexual males, at least, are more prone to pedophilia than hetero males. No I’m not going to link it. Its out there. There exists no hetero version of NAMBLA.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:37pmPPMStudios
I was arguing with a gay guy on FOX news website. He said that gays made up only 20% of all pedophiles. It thought that was extremely funny. For 2 to 5 % of the population to makeup 20% of the problem means they are over represented. I would say that proves homosexuality is a problem.
Report Post »ckokkola
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 4:13pmAshestoashes your pastor mislead you on Sodom and Gomorrha. Scripture says:
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
They gave themselves over to such sin and they committed them before the Lord that is why they were punished.
Report Post »Consentiondum
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 2:09amI’ve seen statistics cited that suggest quite the opposite. That it is actually heterosexual males that disproportionately make up the majority of recorded pedophiles. But most I’ve seen suggest that the instances of pedophilia are properly to scale in respect to heterosexual and homosexual men.
In my own experience with well adjusted and quite normal homosexual friends and family members, they are quite repulsed by and moral opposed to pedophilia.
Report Post »gramma b
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:12amFor Perry to have the courage to say this right out makes me like him more than I ever have. I’m still a Romney guy, but this took courage. Bless him.
Report Post »Nevermind
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:10amThis is a good reason why religion is person and as Jesus said “ should be kept in the closet” . If you are a christian and beleive in god that is great for you but being american doesnt equate to christian. Keep your beliefs to yourself if running for public office. Your beliefs are yours but dont judge others that dont agree. As long as you shoot straight is all that matters to me. I have served and can tell you in war y ou dont care what the sexual preference of someone happens to be and i know for fact i served with many homosexuals and they were great soldiers.
DADT is a cop out for people to get out of basic that couldnt handle it, most peope that used it were straight. This country is made up of more than Chritians and what is a sin to them means nothing to most. Eating shellfish is a sin but does that mean anone that has eaten a crab sholdnt serve? If so i would never have been able to sign up based on some goofy fairy tale book
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:17am“Keep your beliefs to yourself if running for public office.”
Excuse me? Do you have any idea what you’re advocating here?
1. Censorship (who can make somebody keep their beliefs to themselves), or self censorship (which is what happens under PC)
2. A candidate being able to surprise us all when he/she gets elected, after having been silenced regarding his/her convictions, and then acting on those convictions once in office.
That‘s the absolute worst prescription I’ve heard for a constitutional Republic. I personally want to know *every single skeleton* a candidate may have hiding in his closet, before I pull the lever for him or her. Why WOULDN’T you want to know things like this before you vote for somebody?
And, what would you have a candidate do when asked a question? It’s not like Perry is out screaming at gays randomly and for no apparent reason. He was asked a question. And you want him to keep his beliefs secret. Stunning.
Report Post »modilly
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:19am“Should be kept in the closet” ?
Enlighten us as to where in the Bible Jesus says that.
Report Post »ThankYouFounders
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:40amYou said we should keep our beliefs to ourselves…wouldn’t this fit perfectly with DADT? I.e, shouldn’t they keep it to themselves as well?
Report Post »Female
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:00pmModilly, I don’t think many people want it kept anywhere, others want it keep in the privacy of homes, and most don’t want to talk about it at all. It is those who engage that are confronting people who they know are going to tell them it is sin.
Ephesians 5 for general fornification and uncleanness which really encompasses all sex outside the Adamic (Adam/Eve, Man/Woman, NOT Adam/Steven or Eve/Ellen) maritial bed.
“3But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints;…..5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them. 8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit[b]is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
“12 For it is SHAMEFUL even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret”
….14 “ Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light.”
FUNNY: Same chapter also, later outlines each family members title and responsibilities.
Wish it was still all “sec
Report Post »Female
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:07pmWish it was all still “secret”, rather taught to children, in your face everywhere, without any moral out rage, modesty or sense of decency.
Report Post »IM1Ashman
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:33pmAs usual you have got your quote about what Jesus said wrong…just to try and get your inaccurate point across….Jesus said, we should go into a closet to PRAY. Matthew 6:6 states: “But you,WHEN YOU PRAY, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.” Jesus commands us to work for Him publicly…How about the Great Commission: That would be extremely hard to do in private… Mat 28:19-20 “Go therefore and MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (20) teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” I shall pray for you and ask the Lord to give you the strength to seek His Holy Word and look at what He really said before you post.
Report Post »YAHSHUARULES
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 1:36amSo this is the level that homosexuals and deviants stoop to justifying their behavior by pointing out what was a dietary restriction on Israel, those under the Mosaic covenant? For your information there are no dietary restrictions in the New Testament for those under the New Covenant but there is plenty said there about the abomination that homosexuality is.
Report Post »“Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. ” Rom 1v25-27
I am about as tired as one can be with all this baloney about “gay” being a born condition. Humanity as a whole is born into a condition of sin…we all are supposed to mortify the deeds of the flesh, we are supposed to put down our lower nature, not cultivate and celebrate it. There is a spirit of perversion behind this LGBT agenda and whether you like hearing that or not it happens to be the fact.
“gay” is nothing more then a lack of self-control and discipline of baser emotions and allowing oneself to be given over to darkness and depravity. Period.
Frodo RinosBane
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:06amThe girl shouldn‘t ask a question if she doesn’t want to hear the truthful answer. I heard absolutely nothing “hateful” in Gov. Perry’s statements. Just heard the truth from his worldview expressed in a loving way.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:14amPerry got it right, now get the rid of the sanctuary, put up the fence, stop preparing for Globalism, WTO, NWO and you might get another look
Report Post »the wireworker
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 1:05pmWHY is a 14 YEAR OLD advocating for anything SEXUAL. PERIOD. God help us…
Report Post »TreeTrimmerJim
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:06amPolitically correct, socialized lying. Which do we need more of, honesty or dishonesty? Which do parent need to teach their children, honesty or dishonesty?
When someone tells you something, do you need to consider what is said or what is meant? Politically correct is coding the truth.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:05amhomosexuality just goes right back to worshipping Baal, pagan god of excrement. makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it.
GOD says one thing: DON’T DO IT.
Report Post »and GOD gave humans free will. … that the homosexuals choose to follow Baal instead of GOD, well, too bad for them.
Walkabout
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:18amI believe that homosexuality is wrong & not sane (in the very literal sense of the word), but I am not seeing where you are getting your information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:05amMaybe an ALL-GAY & ONLY GAY special tranny-unit for “unique” ops?
Think of how quickly they could invade: (a) Justin Beiber’s dressing room, (b) the Long Tall Sally store locations, (c) Mardi Gras?
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:02amI am a follower of Christ, I have been attacked by gays, they compromised my bank account and sent me hate mail. I however, believe and practice what Paul had taught in 1 Corinthian 5:12 ;
1 Cor. 5:12-13 (NLT)
It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. [13] God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”
See if these people want to be gay or whatever, outside the Church then they will do it. However, government is to stay out and stop giving them special rights and pushing it on our kids. I will make myself clear, if you want to live that lifestyle then who am I to say anything. I will love and help you in any way I can. However, you push it on my kids or me or my Church then I am sorry I will PUSH right back! That is the true meaning of tolerance!
Report Post »Seasoldier
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:37amAs Christians, we do love the sinner while hating the sin. Homosexual activity is sinful. Those who claim to be homosexual need help of the spiritual, medical, psychological, and/or psychiatric variety. In spite of claims by homosexual activists, there is no scientific or medical evidence that there is any kind of “homosexual gene”. Homosexual behavior is unnatural, regardless of who engages in it. The problem of people who claim to be homosexual serving openly in the U. S. Armed Forces is a matter of the behavior involved, including improper fraternization, which is definitely not conducive to the good order and discipline that are essential to the professionalism and effectiveness of our defense establishment and, therefore, the safety and security of our citizens. This question is not a matter of recent origin. Thousands of years of world history, including more recent public behavior of radical homosexual activists, are available as evidence that homosexuality is detrimental to society in general and that policies which encourage homosexual activity in the Armed Forces and that lead to the destruction of traditional marriage can only be wrong for our country. Semper Fi
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:54amUsing shaving cream is also unnatural. As long as somebody uses shaving cream and leaves you alone to not use shaving cream, then the functions of human liberty have been fulfilled.
Or if you prefer only “natural”, taking a crap in nature is natural, but I for one don’t particularly find it appealing to advocate that people act like OWS cretins and squat wherever they stand.
The “natural/unnatural” argument is and has always been flimsy, no matter the topic under discussion.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:18pm@GHOST
Your comment got me thinking. I remember seeing some Owsers holding signs that said…..We are the 99%, “Stand” with us.
They need to be revamped by replacing “STAND”, with “SQUAT”
Report Post »bjornskis
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:02amshe was not thrilled with the answer she got
Report Post »bjornskis
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:00amfunny how these plants work this would never happen to Oblumbler
Report Post »merrygale
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:58amHere’s what I always like to say about that. Think about it. God did not make any mistakes during his creation. It’s just not natural. Think about it.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:05amgiven that other great apes and primates have displayed homosexuality within their ranks, how can you say its not natural? If anything, it just doesn’t fit with your bigoted world view.
Report Post »Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:13amOf course it’s not natural….everything in nature needs an opposite to exist.
Report Post »landman1
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:32amEncinom says that since the apes do it it’s ok. What a joke this guy is. Apes eat their own young sometimes too, so let’s emmulatate the great apes. They pick through their feces for tasty morsals. They groom each other and eat the fleas and lice that they pick off of one another. Yeah, these apes got it figured out. Clown. I swear the liberal mind set is enough to make you puke. Rick Perry may or may not be the best choice we have for POTUS but at least he has enough marbles to speak what he believes in. Gotta give him credit for that.
Report Post »meetsense
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:53amRight on Landman; only a perverted mind would use a perverted Ape to justify a perverted human behavior.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 6:26pm@landman, let me guess you believe the earth is 6,000 years old and evolution is unfounded? Rational thinkers understand that looking to ou closest relatives in the animal kingdom can help example our behaviors. To say that homosexuality is unnatural dismiss the evidence from the animal world that it is common among the great apes.
Again, the religious are attempting to force their beliefs on the nation through the laws. We do not need Sharia law, the Christians are doing a good job of turn the US into a theocracy without the help.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:56amGov. Perry, you are correct.
homosexuality, like every other lie from the left, is from satan himself. GOD forbids it and states in HIS word that if people reject HIS teaching on this, HE will turn them over to their own lust. The left, the liberals have used this dis-ease, this sickness of soul, to gather people together who have never heard the TRUTH or having heard THE TRUTH find it too difficult to follow and hence turn to “the easy way out”, which of course never is. It only leads to more and more decay, sin and separation from our friends, our families, and of course, from our GOD.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:29pmAmen! If you can‘t speak the truth we don’t want you leading our country. Way to take a stand for us Perry. I think this shows Perry is not about saying whatever for a vote.
Report Post »Darla_K
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:54amWell, I don’t want a gay sharing my barracks. I guess as long as they don’t try to bring it to me, but they got to bring it somewhere. LOL
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:49amWho cares if it’s a sin or not, it’s a mental illness, get the poor souls help, don’t encourage them to abuse others.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:55amHow do you not laugh at a “bi-sexual” trying to tell you to have principles?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:55amYour beliefs are a mental illness yet I don’t wish to stop your right to believe in them.
Report Post »NatalieF
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:59amI agree 100% that homosexuality is a mental illness.
Report Post »rock-n-roll-rebel
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:01amAbuse others? wtf is that supposed to mean. There are straight couples that engage in sodomy but I am sure the the majority of conservatives still believe that masturbation is self-abuse. You people really should open up your minds a little bit. So threatened by something that doesn’t directly effect you in any way. No wonder your religion gets attacked so often.
Report Post »nueces
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 12:12pmHelp where? It is a hate crime now in this country to say homosexuality is sick. No licensed mental health professional can keep his license if he ‘treats’ a sexually confused pervert.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:47amAnd then Perry added,” and it can not be good for your anus son, and dang thats just gotta hurt ” in southern drawel of course ; ))
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:52amand she replied, im a girl damnit……
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:57amLol ;)
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:47amLove Perry’s comments. Agree 100 percent. And he happens to be Biblically correct.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:53amAh, yes… the 11th Commandment!
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:54amwe are all sinners,so what. the army is voluntary . can’t believe we are having the same argument that kept blacks separate in WWII -GROW UP PEOPLE
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:09am@STEELHEAD
Report Post »President Woodrow Wilson… separated Blacks & Whites… by Execute Order… as in WWI… which continued… until President Trueman. So, this had nothing to do with Religion… rather Racism!
rock-n-roll-rebel
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:10amGreat point steelhead.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 20, 2011 at 1:20pm@Steelhead
Can’t believe that you compare sexual perversion with racism. If you don‘t know the difference then don’t bother to enter the discussion. Somebody drank the koolaid!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:46amWe oppose… Gays in the Military… because… they distract from Mission Accomplishment… are not Repected to Give Orders… and are killed by Troops who hate Gays. — Not because it is a Sin!
A Vet
Report Post »rock-n-roll-rebel
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:43amI don’t like to see any group singled out for ridicule including Christians and gay people. This is the United States, at least it used to be. I have never seen this country more divided. That I can agree with Mr. Beck on.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:51amHe’s an individual, and an American, and allowed to hold, and express, his own personal opinion however he wants. It’s the notion that we have to bottle up everything and boil in silent resentment that has caused the events of the last several years, telling people to bottle themselves back up will lead to far worse things in the long run.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:54amYes but Jefferson, you and every other Christian wants to force others actions around your beliefs because you “believe” Homosexuality is a sin.
The second you want laws created around that, you start inching closer to a theocracy.
How does what other people influence your life?
Report Post »WSGAC
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:55amShould the military allow for incest? Or would this be singling out incestophiles, thus further dividing America?
Or how about soldiers who want to engage in beastiality? I know our dear leader just lifted the ban on that one. WHEW!!! Thank goodness he is bringing America back together!
Or how about the pedophile? Shouldn’t America get over all her phobias on sex? It’s time to stop discriminating against people, only bringing division to this good country of ours. It’s time instead to bring everybody together. Screw whatever you want, cuz we’re America!
Report Post »randy
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 10:57amAnd America is great because we’ll respect your opinion, but don’t have to agree with it or have to hide how we feel.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:00amHi Moderation.
Demonstrate to me conclusively that I believe anything you just said. You don’t know me guy, and you *clearly* have no idea about my beliefs and what I do or do not want people to do.
All Americans have a right to peacefully express their opinions any way they wish, period, full stop. Even people you disagree with (gasp!).
I’m going to have to rate your troll attempt at a modest 3/10. Sorry.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:11am@GHOSTOFJEFFERSON
If you “believe” homosexuality is wrong because you think your God says so and want to ACTIVELY stop people from engaging in the act, or from getting married, you are suffering from a mental illness.
There is no rational argument, it is just “God says it’s wrong, therefore I’m against it.”
By supporting a ban on homosexuality or homosexual marriage, you are FORCING people to conform to your beliefs even though they may not have the same beliefs as you. That inches us closer and closer to a theocracy and I love America too much to see that happen and I’m sure Jefferson would feel the same.
I’m all for Perry holding his beliefs, but its when he wants to start taking action BASED on those beliefs that I get worried for our country.
Report Post »SCHEXbp
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:13amI guess you (& BecK) have never heard of The Civil War. When 2/3 of a million die, I’ll consider the country more divided….
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:20am@Moderation
Show me, specifically, where I’ve advocated any of the things you are attributing to me.
Or would you like for me to start claiming that because you’re a Leftist, that you are 100% in agreement with Hitler and that you want to commit genocide? Because hey, if that‘s the game we’re playing, you stand to lose a lot.
For the record, what you’re doing is a logical fallacy called building a straw man. You don’t know anything about me, you’re simply constructing an argument to knock down and attributing that argument to somebody else who has made no such claims.
Show me, or retract. Any other option makes you a knowing liar. Your call.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:21am@GHOSTOFJEFFERSON
I must have lumped a few posts together on accident, when re-reading it I was then able to see what posts you were commenting on. I must have been mistaken and thought you were responding on a different thread where people were equating homosexuality to a “mental illness.”
My bad, I didn’t mean to lump you in with everyone else.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 11:25am@Ghost
Kinda funny because I had replied while you were replying to my post but it doesn’t seem to be showing.
I was mistaken, I must have lumped a few posts together on accident because I thought you were replying to and agreeing on the thread where people were equating homosexuality to a mental illness.
After re-reading the actual thread we were on, I see that you didn’t say what i thought you said. My bad, I apologize for lumping you in with a bunch of people.
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