Horrifying: Gunmen Allegedly Beat, Rob, Rape Members of Youth Church Camp in Mexico
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(The Blaze/AP) — A gang of about a dozen armed people stormed into a church youth camp-out near Mexico City and went on an hours-long rampage of beatings, robberies and rape, authorities said Saturday.
Seven girls were raped during the Friday attack and several campers were beaten, according to the state prosecutors office in Mexico State, which surrounds the Mexican capital.
About 90 youths sponsored by a church group known as the Chains of the Holy Trinity were camping at an eco-park on the eastern outskirts of Mexico City, in a hilly area that is close to the lower flanks of the Popocatepetl volcano. Prosecutors did not say what church the group is affiliated with, but the camp-out appeared to have been a sort of spiritual retreat.
The office said that the attack lasted for hours, and that when the attackers left they stole two vehicles and other articles from the campers.
The office said investigators were pursuing two lines of inquiry, but did not reveal what they were.
Drug gangs operate on the outskirts of Mexico City, but campers and hikers have also been targeted in the past by common criminals.
The park is supposed to be patrolled by local police, but the attack occurred during the night and it was unclear whether officers were on duty at the time. Police only found out about the crimes when an adult organizer of the camp-out showed up at police offices to report the attack. According to the BBC, there was little or no mobile phone coverage in the area where the attack took place.
The state government said in a statement that it had witness’ descriptions of the attackers and pledged to catch and punish those responsible.
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caveroy
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 3:00amMRB we are told Judge not lest ye be judged, so I am reluctant to say anything about the statement you made about meeting Jesus, but I will say a prayer for you.
Report Post »Hoax And Chains
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 8:43amAre you talking about the same Jesus… the same God that created Satan, knowing all this horror would happen to His children?… that same God who created good AND evil?… all so He could be glorified in the end?… that same Jesus? Nice neat little box that our American theology has put God in. It’s full of cookie-cutter comment and answers, leaving little of anything else that would convert a starving mother in Africa, as her children are being hacked to death.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 8:43amJust think, whe Obama style borders, these thugs can come in and do the same in our country
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 9:00amHoax And Chains
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 8:43am
“Are you talking about the same Jesus… the same God that created Satan, knowing all this horror would happen to His children?… that same God who created good AND evil?… all so He could be glorified in the end?… that same Jesus? ”
I’m agnostic, but I think it’s disgraceful the way you hate-filled geeks rave on about Christianity.
The denigration you give to it too often is one that you would be too cowardly to give about Islam, yet it is truly…today….one of the crulest, most hateful religions existing ever.
No atheist has such hate in his heart over Christianity. Comments like yours has got to come from people who are homosexuals and despise Christianity, because it is the dominant religion in this country, one that you perceive to be an obstacle to gaining acceptance of your perversions.
Muslims are the fastest growing group in this country today, so if it is truly the tenants of religious beliefs that you want to criticize, why do you just smear Jesus and Christianity?
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 9:10amThese days, who in their right mind would take kids on a retreat in Mexico?
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 9:19am@ INDEPENDENT4233- Why are you encouraging someone to denigrate any religion? You don’t know a thing about Islam, all you know is what people who call themselves followers of Islam have done. Bad people have done bad things in the name of all religions. It doesn’t mean the religion is bad, it means those people were bad.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 10:13amSurhanSurhan
“@ INDEPENDENT4233- Why are you encouraging someone to denigrate any religion? You don’t know a thing about Islam, all you know is what people who call themselves followers of Islam have done. Bad people have done bad things in the name of all religions. It doesn’t mean the religion is bad, it means those people were bad.”
How odd it is for you to take time to criticize me for my defense of Christianity, yet you don’t seem to mind one bit about the vitrioloc attack on Christianity and Jesus.
And, how do you know I know nothing about Islam? How did you arrive at that conclusion?
And despite your perverted line of logic, Islam indeed teaches hate, murder, and violent reprisals for matters any other religion would simply maintain an aversion to.
Did you not understand that I’m calling on those who are rabid haters of Christianity to answer as to why they choose only to denigrate Christianity, because the very hateful reasons they give for it are in abundance within the religion of Islam?
The reason, obviously is as I gave. Only homosexuals have areason to denigrate Christianity, and it is because it is the dominant religion in this country, the one they see as preventing them from gaining acceptance.
But, they’re even wrong on that. People…Christians or not….have an inbred revulsion against homosexuality or any other perversion that seeks to threaten the perpetuation of their species.
Report Post »battles
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 10:48am‘Hoax And Chains’ has a truly perverted view of God. God did not create evil. God is holy. He did create Lucifer, who rebelled against God and is the author of evil.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 11:30am@Hoax
1. G-d created Lucifer, Lucifer chose to be Satan
2. G-d is good by definition. Evil is a free will choice of other creatures. There is no creation of either.
Why are you talking about theology? You don’t even know the basics to begin with. Let me guess you’re another atheist with an axe to grind against G-d because Christian sexual ethics make you feel guilty. Get over it. G-d isn’t going away.
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:19pmI hope the attackers used condoms. Maybe all Christian youth groups traveling to Mexico should be required to have an ample supply of condoms just in case. Does Hillary” State Department warn Americans about traveling to Mexico?
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:46pm@ INDEPENDENT4233- You said: “And, how do you know I know nothing about Islam? How did you arrive at that conclusion?
And despite your perverted line of logic, (Islam indeed teaches hate, murder, and violent reprisals) for matters any other religion would simply maintain an aversion to.”
That commit right there is the reason why I say you don’t know a thing about Islam. You have no proof to support your theory, you’re going off what others have told you about Islam. You can‘t provide one scripture from the Qur’an that tells modern day followers of Islam to kill or retaliate against their enemy.
You said: “How odd it is for you to take time to criticize me for my defense of Christianity, yet you don’t seem to mind one bit about the vitrioloc (sic) attack on Christianity and Jesus.”
I didn’t criticize you for defending Christianity, I never mentioned Christianity. My critique was based on your assertion that Islam promotes violence. You need to take a class on reading comprehension. Islam is the only none Christian faith that makes it an article of faith for its believers to believe in Jesus. Muslims believe in parts of the Bible.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:26pmIf you go to the Third World jungle don‘t be surprised when you’re attacked by baboons.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:41pmpoorrichard09 People who live in Mexico. Without visas do you expect them to take them to the us??
Report Post »tothepoint
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:06pmWhen you read some of the replies to your note, you recognize how far from God some of these people are. God bless us all. We sure need it.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 3:46pm@SURHANSURHAN
Report Post »You deny all the evidence from the Qur’an and the Hadith that has been posted here. I might have given you the benefit of the doubt and simply said that you are brainwashed, but you can read Arabic. You KNOW what is being openly taught in the Madrassas in the Muslim world and covertly here in America. You KNOW the life of Muhammad and the evil SOB he was. You’ve seen the Islamic violence in Egypt, now that Muhammad’s faithful followers — whom Mubarak had thrown in prison where they belong — are back in control. You lie through your teeth like the good Islamist that you are, thinking you will change minds here. You are wasting your time, SURHAN. Spare us your spin and your talking points.
Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 4:57pmAnd yet Caveroy, we are told to judge betw the good fruit and bad fruit. When we judge, we may NOT use a different standard fm the one by which we judge ourselves.
We are not to be judgmental.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 5:11pmHoax you understand only one thing abt God. He is not in the convenient Sunday box that the West has put Him in.
He does not have to explain to us why bad things happen to otherwise good people. He chooses instead to be among us and suffer the same treatment Himself. Thus is the nature of the Incarnation.
The nature of time is that is, too, is created and rolls forward not backward. Since it is part of creation, God stands in each moment of it as present tense, yet is also outside time, seeing the beginning and the end as one moment. Our minds are too finite to be able to hold all that. At the end of time, we will be able to see the beginning, middle, and end, and understand why bad things were permitted; why God did not seal us in bubble wrap.
Lucifer was created to be beautiful. He got it in his head that humanity should worship him instead of God. He rebelled. He was cast down fm Heaven and has been a problem since.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 5:21pm@ KRYPTONITE- I couldn’t care less what you think bucket-head. I wasn’t talking to you anyway. Whether or not you accept Islam as a peaceful religion is of no concern to me at all. I don’t sit around hoping kryptonite accepts Islam as the religion of peace. I’ve seen the Christian violence, rapes, and murders, does that mean Jesus is responsible for that?
Regardless, of what you and others think, Prophet Muhammad never advocated the murder, rape or violence of anyone. To this day I have never seen an authentic sunnah/hadith posted on this site. I have seen what the enemy(ies) of Muhammad wants us to believe about him. Its easy to put words in the mouth of a man that has been dead for 1400 years since he can’t defend himself. I know they are lies, you believe them to be true. We’re at a stand still. To you, your religion and to me, mine.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 6:01pmSurhanSurhan
“@ INDEPENDENT4233- You said: “And, how do you know I know nothing about Islam? How did you arrive at that conclusion?
“And despite your perverted line of logic, (Islam indeed teaches hate, murder, and violent reprisals) for matters any other religion would simply maintain an aversion to.”
“That commit right there is the reason why I say you don’t know a thing about Islam. ”
Well, that’s just your biased opinion regarding Islam, because you are a true believer. It’s not based in fact. Does not Islam condone stoning women to death over adultery and other offenses or cutting off hands and feet for theft, to name but a few of the atrocities perpetrated on followers? Whether it is in the Koran or not it’s followers commit those atrocities, plus jihad.
You said: “How odd it is for you to take time to criticize me for my defense of Christianity, yet you don’t seem to mind one bit about the vitriolic attack on Christianity and Jesus.”
“I didn’t criticize you for defending Christianity.”
By ignoring the attack against Christianity by the poster I responded to, you gave tacit agreement to what he said. Claiming somebody needs to improve his reading comprehension when you are unable to express yourself adequately is the mark of an incompetent.
” Islam is the only none (sic) Christian faith that makes it an article of faith for its believers to believe in Jesus. ”
So???
What’s your point?
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 7:14pm@ INDEPENDENT4233- If stoning is the reason you say Islam is a violent religion then Christianity must be a violent religion too because it calls for the same thing.
Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves (meaning you are allowed to have sex with them yourselves).
And the Jews salvaged for themselves 32,000 virgins.
Numbers 31:35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
Numbers 31:40 And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the Lord’S tribute was thirty and two persons.
Deuteronomy 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.
Jesus said:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
By the way, none is spelled correctly, you’re thinking about the word non, however, your word was misspelled.
You said: “Islam is the only none Christian faith that makes it an article of faith for its believers to believe in Jesus. ” So??? What’s your point?”
This was added to show you that there is no animosity between Muslims and Christians on the part of Muslims.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 8:20pmMan, you folks need to get out of the house more often…
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 9:25pmSurhanSurhan
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 7:14pm
“@ INDEPENDENT4233- If stoning is the reason you say Islam is a violent religion then Christianity must be a violent religion too because it calls for the same thing.”
It sounds to me like you’re referring to Judaism from the Old Testament, a different time, a different place.
Can you give me an instance where Christianity has stoned anybody in recent times? I mean like Islam did just recently? They also murdered a woman whom they accused of adultery in order to simply get rid of her, because she was forced to have affairs with two different men.
Islamists committed atrocities 1400 years ago, and they continue the practice right now.
Outlining practices two thousand years ago is hardly the same as those occurring right now by Islamists….frequently. There’s no logical parallel
How many hands and feet have they cut off just this year? How many bombings have occurred in the name of Allah? How many beheadings?
“By the way, none is spelled correctly, you’re thinking about the word non, however, your word was misspelled. ”
Your use of the word is incorrect.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 9:41pmSURHANSURHAN
“Islam is the only none (sic) Christian faith that makes it an article of faith for its believers to believe in Jesus. ”
So??? What’s your point?
“This was added to show you that there is no animosity between Muslims and Christians on the part of Muslims.”
No animosity by Muslims?
That was a joke, wasn’t it? I mean you ARE kidding aren’t you?
Today, Christians, are being systematically harassed, persecuted, and murdered throughout the Middle East, the birthplace of Christianity. Churches have been bombed and those attending Christian services have been killed. Christian homes have been ransacked and cemeteries have been destroyed. Converts from Islam to Christianity are considered apostates and subject to severe punishment. In Iran, a man named Youcef Nadarkhani has been sentenced to hang for the state crime of converting from Islam to Christianity.
Were you laughing when you wrote the disclaimer about Muslims not showing animosity to Christians?
You came on here to just tell jokes, didn’t you?
I do have to compliment you on your natural ability as a comedian, even though you don’t know the difference between “non” and “none.”
And choosing Surhan Surhan as a handle is another joke isn’t it, since it was Sirhan Sirhan who killed Robert Kennedy?
I imagine you’re a big hit at the local oasis as a standup comic.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 11:09pm@ INDEPENDENT4233- Again, those are examples of bad people doing bad things in the name of religion. Your president, secretary of state, CIA director along with members of the defense department kill innocent Muslims everyday with those drone strikes. They’ve even killed Americans with those drone strikes without due process.
I may have used the wrong word but I know how to spell “vitriol” or “vitriolic” and you don’t. (Lol) (Smh)
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 12:00amWell Surhan, finally something we can agree upon. There are many of us who disagree w/the drone strikes. Many of us do believe strongly in the “due process” guaranteed by our Constitution.
Many of us will express that displeasure the first Tuesday of this November.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 1:43am@SURHANSURHAN
I don’t have to wait for you to talk to me, dude. This is not the Muslim world, where Christians are not free to speak their minds. This is an open message board in America.
So SURHAN, the Olympics security operation includes: 17,000 troops, 12,000 police, Typhoon fighter jets, helicopters, two warships, bomb disposal experts and $857M just for venue security. Sounds like a war zone, doesn’t it? And all because M-mad’s faithful followers stained the Olympics in 1972 with blood and have been targeting it ever since. Six Islamists have already been arrested on terrorism charges.
Some Q’s for you:
1) Why are jihadists promised a direct flight to eternal F-land, while you “peaceful” guys have to wait in hell until judgment day to get your houris and/or “boys of perpetual freshness”? (Oooh, fairies, grow a pair and blow yourselves up; there are goodies for you too!)
2) Why does the Qur’an call Jesus a prophet if Islamists believe He lied about being the Son of God? Any prophet who lies is a FALSE prophet. God does not bless false prophets; they are an abomination to Him. Is it because Allah is the father of lies and Islamists lie for a living? (CONT.)
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 1:48am3) Why do you idolize M-mad? In the Qur’an:
“…those who pledge allegiance to you, [O Muhammad] – they are actually pledging allegiance to Allah. (48:10)
…by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission. (4:65)
…whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error. (33:36)
The Prophet is more worthy of the believers than themselves … (33:6)
And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.” (4:64)
My, my, my, Muhammad was Jesus, Mary and the Pope, all in one. (CONT.)
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 1:55am4) Why do you Islamists lie to the West saying Islam means “peace,” when you know darn well it means “submission?” In the Qur’an:
“The bedouins say, “We have believed.” Say, “You have not [yet] believed; but say [instead], ‘We have submitted,’ for faith has not yet entered your hearts. And if you obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything.” (49:14)
Let me rephrase that in modern English: You f-ing goat herders, I know you think my religion sucks, so stop pretending you believe. SUBMIT, you MFs. As long as you obey me and whatever I say my god says, you will keep your heads and your balls.
You quote Scripture out of context in a desperate attempt to prove that Christianity is as bloody and hate-filled as Islam. Yet people migrate in hordes to the West, where Christianity prevailed, but nobody wants to live under Islamo-fascism. The Muslim world is one giant rat hole where terror and misery reigns. Heck, just seeing those black ghosts you have for women will give any man ED.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 2:20amShould read: “…where terror and misery reign.”
Report Post »Auntie izlam
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 3:54am“Independent4233” says
“Comments like yours has got to come from people who are homosexuals and despise Christianity”
And comments like yours come from haters & homophobes who will use any excuse to bring the topic into the mix so they can bash gays. I’ve seen it a hundred times.If Homosexuals hate Christianity they certainly have a good excuse after being persecuted by it their whole lives. Who persecuted you?
Let’s see how long this post lasts before you complain and also have it removed.
mdeputy7
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:14amHoly…..Crap….Auntie Izlam, did you just say ‘who persecuted you’ to a Christian? aRe YoU fReAkInG SERIOUS?!?! First of all, Christians have been the most persecuted throughout the entirety of its existence…..namely the last 2000 years. Second, In that single statement, you destroyed any possible credibility that you could have had.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:19amSurhanSurhan
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 11:09pm
“@ INDEPENDENT4233- Again, those are examples of bad people doing bad things in the name of religion. Your president, secretary of state, CIA director along with members of the defense department kill innocent Muslims everyday with those drone strikes. They’ve even killed Americans with those drone strikes without due process.”
“Bad people doing bad things,” is correct. And the “bad people” are overwhelmingly muslims who comprise a HUGE number within Islam.
Your arguments are feeble and unconvincing. You’re mixing nation-state policy with religious tenets. Why do you come to this country if you do not like it? And, why do you stay if you are unhappy with the existing cultural norms, traditions and religions?
You’re petty, and you have the mind of a child.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:26amAuntie izlam
“Independent4233” says
“Comments like yours has got to come from people who are homosexuals and despise Christianity”
“And comments like yours come from haters & homophobes who will use any excuse to bring the topic into the mix so they can bash gays. I’ve seen it a hundred times.If Homosexuals hate Christianity they certainly have a good excuse after being persecuted by it their whole lives. Who persecuted you?”
You want to dismiss anti-homosexual activism as based in hate, then you declare it’s o.k. for homosexuals to hate Christianity, because of imagined persecution. Well, out of one side of your mouth you want to depict revulsion as hatred if it is levied at homosexuals, then out of the other you want to hysterically hate Christianity.
Inbred in every creature is the drive to perpettuate its species. It’s perfectly natural to feel disgust and revulsion at anyone or anything in opposition to that imbeded trait. It has nothing to do with religion.
If you are upset at being ostracized for your perversions, why don’t you seek help and get cured? Homosexuality is no more than a sick addiction like alcohol and drugs.
“Let’s see how long this post lasts before you complain and also have it removed.”
Hahahaha!
Sounds to me like you think you’ve made an eye-opening, irrefutable argument
Your rainbow utopia isn’t going to come about. You can’t overcome human nature with mere words.
Report Post »Auntie izlam
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:56pm@ “Independent4233” said “If you are upset at being ostracized for your perversions, why don’t you seek help and get cured? Homosexuality is no more than a sick addiction like alcohol and drugs.”
Your assumptions & beliefs expose you for what you really are, an everyday, run of the mill, dime a dozen, pseudo-Christian hater. Thank you.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 11:12amAuntie izlam
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:56pm
@ “Independent4233” said “If you are upset at being ostracized for your perversions, why don’t you seek help and get cured? Homosexuality is no more than a sick addiction like alcohol and drugs.”
“Your assumptions & beliefs expose you for what you really are, an everyday, run of the mill, dime a dozen, pseudo-Christian hater. Thank you.”
Not one single logical point of rebuttal.
Only charges of bias, hate, etc.,the last refuge of a numb skull who can offer nothing to say that refutes the truth.
You remind me of the black who came on here and called someone a racist for complaining about vicious black on white attacks.
It’s all either one of you have.
Report Post »restorethelove
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:46amIf prohibition could be accomplished by enforcement and surveillance; why are drugs readily available in prisons?
Report Post »Wake the hell up. End drug prohibition. Elsewise, these bad guys will keep a raping and a killin’! Nobody wants that, but you’d rather it continue, rather that people be hurt or die, than to back off your control freak philosophy.
I’m drug free, but where would we be if Poe didn’t have his opium, if Freud didn’t inject his cocaine. For God’s sake people live your own little lives.
Quit feeding the police/mafia state with your agenda and you prejudice.
bikerr
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:21am@restorethelove—You posted in part—Wake the hell up. End drug prohibition. Elsewise, these bad guys will keep a raping and a killin’! Nobody wants that, but you’d rather it continue, rather that people be hurt or die, than to back off your control freak philosophy.—–
Why not make a raping and a killing legal? that way you’d be a law abiding citizen. You need help. Better yet why don’t you go explain your thoughts on this to people who have been killed /raped.?
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 4:23amJust deport drug users to a country where they can use them freely.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 8:44amRESTORE : You forgot the Ron Paul 2012 bit…..
Report Post »blanco5
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 8:51amThe war on drugs is soooooo successful!
Report Post »BSdetector
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 9:03amFor the record I don’t use any drugs and rarely drink. That being said, are we a Free Nation or a bunch helpless crybaby liberals?
Report Post »If an adult wants to put something in their own body, let them!… If they OD and/or die then so be it, just don’t ask me to pay for their hospitalization or rehab. Or burial.
Have you seen all the cancer drugs that are banned by the FDA and people have to go to India, Mexico, etc to get these drugs to save their lives because the FDA says you can’t take them due to possible side effects? All the more mind boggling because of the possible side effects of letting the cancer run it’s course is quite a bit worse than the drug side effects.
Anyway back on topic: Without the underground market, there would be no need for cartels. Their revenue stream would dry up, then they would quickly go broke and disappear. Look what happened pre and post prohibition, it’s the exact same effect.
martyinhagerstown
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 10:12amThere is only one way and one thing gangsters understand. When they cross the border or our own “locals” start behaving this way we will choose to call 911 during our own rape or choose to do something else.
Report Post »VigilantGuardShark
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:06pmPeople who go or are in Mexico and don’t take the precaution of having armed guards for their retreats, weddings, churches…with enough firepower to make a difference are in my opinion Idiots.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:47pmThe cartels have expanded to control illegal innigration, extortion just about everywhere there, kidnapping. Only a druggie would think making drugs legal would make the cartel’s quit all of this and go to less than 70 pesos a day jobs.
Legal pot is still expensive, as cheap as drugs are here in mexico there would still be a far better proffit smuggling them than working for less than 70 pesos a day if ALL drugs were legal. Not to mention more fighting over extortion, illegal immigration, etc.
It would not go away with legalization, that is only druggie’s dreams.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 4:45pmFor those who are not aware – pesos exchange rate runs around 12 pesos to the US dollar or more (mas o menos).
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 1:31amThe argument that legalization of drugs would lower crime or eliminate mob cartels is predicated on market principles that the illicit nature of the drug business is the driver of the price. Eliminate the financial incentive and presto problem solved. This is wrong. Demand drives the price therefore legalization would either increase demand (most likely) or it would stay the same. Most certainly demand would not decrease.
Report Post »The only real way to combat drug trafficking is on the demand side. It’s draconian but threat of hard time for possession would work. I’m not talking about years long sentences inside the animal factories. I mean hard labor. Real simple, work 10 hours busting rocks or whatever and receive good food, recreation and such. Don’t want to work, no problem. 23 hours in your cell and you get the minimum daily caloric intake mixed in a shake. Maybe not that extreme but bare minimum.
I guarantee after ten years of this policy, drug use will plummet. The threat of prison for many is nothing these days. It needs some more teeth. If they realize they will not be able to sit all day taking drugs and drinking in prison, they will be less likely to commit the offense.
Of course none of the above will happen. It would be more likely to have a scorched earth policy on drug trafficking. In the case of Mexico, carpet bomb cartel facilities. Just all out war, take no prisoners, assassinations and sabotage. And this probably wouldn’t work.
MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:15amSome people just don’t understand the word illegal.
Report Post »RebelPatriot
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:40amLiving in a cesspool such as Mexico will make a person risk life or limb to get into the US.
Maybe if they gave the free people weapons they could at least defend th
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:13amYes but that isn‘t actually what’s going on. It’s much more similar to the beginnings of the Moors invading Spain and the following wars between 700 and 1100 A.D.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:25amAnd the Lord God drops in subtle hints here and there to let people know the times which they live, such as all the news articles suddenly appearing with people attacking someone with a sword in one place or another. That’s the way the Temple of the Lord works.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:33amOr maybe it’s not, but maybe it is, or maybe it’s not…..but maybe it is. I guess we’ll find out.
kryptonite
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 3:59amChristians are being targeted by the cartels, the Islamists and the commies, and Barack is playing a major role in setting this wave of persecution in motion. He is not the antichrist, but he does have the spirit of antichrist. Please pray. The fervent supplication of the righteous has much power (James 5:16).
Report Post »LameLiberals
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 5:46amThose Mexicans cesspools are invading our country and voting for the SAME TYPE of cesspool politicians in the USA that they voted for in Mexico.
Report Post »feverpitch
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:10amThese things happen because the police in Mexico have to be bribed to do their job.
Report Post »Brasil2520
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:26amOh yes the “beauty of diversity” moving to a town near you.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:46amWell it’s actually a Holy War going on in Mexico, and the whole drug operation appearance is just the vessel it is traveling in.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:25pmEverything runs on bribes here. Not just police. You can get a drivers license without taking a test, people selling stuff at a stand on the street are paying someone to be able to stay there, in court the one with the money to bribe wins, there is a saying “justicia no es justo” (justice is not just). I know a woman that was beaten and her nose broken by her ex. She went to the police station and they would do nothing, they said it would be her word against his. She looked beaten up. In reality she would have to have several thousand pesos for them to do anything. You can even pay the police to beat someone up.
The problem is that only the upper 10% make above 7000 pesos a month (about 13.5 to a dollar) and about 50% live in mexico’s definition of poverty which is 1200 a month pesos rural, 2100 a month urban. Many prices here are close to the us. Technology costs more. Most cannot afford protection.
With open borders it’s not hard to see why there are so many there.
Report Post »Whtwulf
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:07amSad thing is I wonder what is safer Mexico or my home town Chicago.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:10amMexico
Report Post »mils
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:59amMexico..and leave your major behind.
Report Post »tothepoint
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:09pmMexico. And the US is getting less safe thanks to Obama and his gang enabling the illegals and druggies. Why, in Fast and Furious, Obama and Holder sold the Mexican druggies guns and they used them to kill Agent Terry and more than 300 Mexicans. And, Obama and Holder refuse to give Congress the information they need to find out all the information about the murderous Fast and Furious.
Report Post »That, American, is the President and his AG.
KangarooJack
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:03amI gotta laugh {NOT really} when I read comments regarding Mexico’s anti-gun laws.}
lol lol
Heck, the President of the United States and his henchwoman and serfs are ALL BUT HANDING OUR CONSTITUTION up to the United Nations upon a silver platter.
Report Post »Details to follow soon-I’m positive the final stroke of the pen will be on a FRIDAY NEWS DUMP!
paperpushermj
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:52amYes Sweetheart…. I’m Afraid There Are Monsters In The World.
Report Post »Rob Taylor
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:37amThe girls raped were underage – claiming they’re “traitors” who deserved it isn‘t just asinine it’s evil.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:25amHere it says it took place in mexico state, Parque Colibrí del municipio de Ixtapaluca, Estado de México . We live in mexico state (another month or two anyway). It also says the 7 raped were underage.
http://www.milenio.com/cdb/doc/noticias2011/2cc86bb635c76a55ce4cb0295aebf677
If you can read spanish you will see in the comments what people think of pri, mexico state is long time pri run.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:31amYes, but PAN did no better.
The system is an oligarchy, not the republic it claims on paper to be.
Report Post »Skye904
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 8:42amHow do you tell the difference?
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 11:53amElena, the states ran by pri have the highest violence. Pri bought the election, they came through here buying votes. A poll here said 80% of mexican’s support the military use against the narcos.
It’s well known that televisa has been paid off by pri. People up there buy what is sold by the press, referendum on pan, etc. The polls were manipulated, etc.
We are in mexico state, pena nieto was governor here. None is more corrupt than he. A brother in law was a driver for his family. He bought cars, houses, land, a fleet of delivery trucks, flew his parents by private plane to eat in another state and returned, bought family members houses, all on a salary of 4000. pesos a month. This was only a driver. The corruption will be far worse. He already has close ties with narcos (pena nieto). Pan bought copies of voter id’s for soriana cards (told people they were 500 pesos but they werte 100), painting their houses, buckets, brooms, backpacks full of stuff, etc. They bought 710000 votes worth of cards from soriana alone.
Really, people up their do not have a clue to what is really going on. Pan was bought off by pri also, fox supported pri. Pan ran a woman, many here think they did to lose to pri. I voted for her, she had no chance of winning here though. I know men and women alike that would not fote for here because she is a female.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:15pmSkye904 The difference is pri is owned by big business and the unions. The bus and taxi drivers have to give copies of their voter id to the company to keep their jobs to vote pri. The unions converge on the states (mostly df and mexico state, something like 30 million people and the poorest) giving freebies for voter id copies. Pri banners flood everywhere, you hardly see any others. Pri easily bought more than the 3 million votes needed to win, they had over 700000 votes with soriana cards alone. Yes, they are both corrupt, but pri takes it to a whole new level as they have the omey behind them. They also pay off televisa for favorable coverage. It was in the open here in mexico state, In our pueblo they first painted houses and collected voter id copies. Later they came through with a tent, giving away backpacks full of stuff for copies. They had a stand with stacks of the copies. Far too corrupt for me to vote for.
Just because narco murders are in the media more does not mean innocents are not still being killed. Mexico state leads in the most women killed and raped (a very macho area) but you never see anything about it. Here it‘s because it’s not narco related.
When pri takes over you will see less in the media (the media is big business, pri oriented) but it will still be happening.
People up there tend to believe what they read in the media from here, here it’s well known here you cannot believe them. Most do not have computers.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 4:56pmMy heart weeps for the Mexican people. The Mexicans I know here are optimistic and generous people. And I have yet to meet a lazy Mexican!
We do occasionally get news abt the real war on women there. Juarez is a terrible place for that! HOw many women raped/murdered now? 500? or more?
Yes, Fox was ineffective. I think my Mexican ex-pat voted PAN this year since he was unimpressed by the PRI guy who has been thru multiple mistresses and may have killed his wife.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 1:32amThank you Elena.
Report Post »biffo
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:23amAny American who enters mexico and spends a dime is a traitor to the USA and deserves anything they get. Let your children go to mexico and suffer the consequences in silence. You are part of the problem. Boycott mexico!
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:32amThat’s not a solution. The typical Mexican citizen is NOT our enemy. The cartels are.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:27pmYou are right elena. The cartels and the government.
Report Post »Paula
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:10amHow many heads will have to show up on spikes or headless bodies floating in rivers for Americans to realize that Mexico is NOT safe??? Why are we giving them our tourist $$ to go there risking our lives?
Report Post »kcinco
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:02amAnother reason why I will NEVER enter the country of Mexico again.
Report Post »kcares
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 8:24amThe last time I was in Mexico, and that was atleast 10yrs ago, 2 police pulled us over and had us drive to a secluded area and make us pay them $20 each. I do.n’t believe anyone form the US needs to go there. Keep the money in the US. We have plenty of beautiful beaches. Where I live now, we have areas, that look just like Tijuana.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 11:01amYou don’t have to go to Mexico, it’s coming to you.
Report Post »wewantchillywilly
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:34pmi don’t think we need the “allegedly” when you write headlines about mexico anymore, blaze. it’s probably much worse than being reported.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:57pmIt is. I do not live in an area where foreigners live, started going to a forum for the lake chapala area so I could speak english. These folks were adamant about the media“fearmongering” and only narcos being killed. A guy got killed there and tennis shoes went up over the electric lines, quite a few. I told them they were marking their “turf” and they scoffed. The next thing 15 bodies were dumped of youn innocent people, chainsawed up. I never heard any more about only narcos being killed. That mass killing helps with bribing the police, local politicians and shakedowns of businesses. At least a couple of them were waiters. One guy from belgium walked up on 3 people being held and they kept him overnight, they wound up letting him go and the others turned up dead in a few days. The local police said he was told they are specifically not targeting foreigners. The guy said he was not told anything like that.
The point is when killings are actually in the media it is called narco on narco, even when it is not. You cannot believe the police. That’s just the way it is. Many got slapped into reality there learning these things, many have left.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:34amTOLTEP — a good bit of that extreme violence is coming fm the cartels, esp Los Zetas, working w/Hezbollah now. News orgs along the southern side of the river are now refusing to publish stories on the cartel violence. The cartels have tried to blow up their offices and have killed their reporters. The cartels are in charge of Mexico >;–(
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:45amI wondered what the deal was w/the sneakers on the electric lines.
At Camp Lejeune, it meant a Marine had discharged. So here, it’s gang/cartel related.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 6:11pmElena Yes, especially if it happens (sneakers) right after someone is killed. Celebration of a kill and marking territory at the same time. Here kids do not throw good sneakers over lines or any where, there are no used clothes stores fore the same reason. Income.
Yes most of the violence is narco, but it is not all narco on narco as the media says. A lot of the chopped up, decapitated are innocents from local businesses to make a point for extortion.
Here though, mexico state, the narcos are not active. Pri is in with them and pri runs the state. It’s still a violent state though, the most populated and poor. Even in small pueblos you had better have high walls, most families live in “compounds”. The crime rate is skyrocketing now, the pueblos all have put up neighborhood watch banners. Small stores are robbed in broad daylight, even stores at los portales in toluca are robbed in broad daylight. Young girls are assaulted and groped on the street, it also happened to my 14 year old neice coming home from school in this pueblo. Bad guys go to the pueblos because they know the police will not come, if they did nobody would talk. People that talk have big problems, a lot of stuff that happens the police are involved in.
It’s increasing so much that we will be going back to the us in a couple of months. Probably NW arkansas where we were a few years ago for a couple of years. The wife still tells people here how you could leave lawn furniture out ther
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 9:14pmGod speed Toltep!
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:22pmIt‘s wonderful to see how Mexico’s anti-gun laws work so well……NOT!!
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:34pmExactly and if you are not someone from up there with money or well to do citizens the police will not even come if called.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:48pmAre you sure you’d want the policia to come anyhow. Rumor is the local cops are crooked as a dog’s hind leg w/federales not far behind. I had a kid in my GED class who went to Reynosa to club. He got into a fight, was taken w/the other combatant to the police station, and made to fight it out there. He got the hind end of it, too. The cops were taking bets on which kid would win the bout.
It used to be safe enough to visit Nuevo Progresso for dinner and whatnots. I won’t go any more, not w/cartel shootings in the streets and the Mexican army throwing people into the river because they were annoying.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:02amElena2010 Elena, you are right. DO NOT trust the police, especially in heavy narco areas. You never know who you can trust.
We have a friend of the family that is state police, he is a good guy. He is an exception though. He’s pretty much never at work though, he has connections and gets paid but does not have to go to work. He is usually at his construction business. He is definitely a good person to know though.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:47amAt least he gets to stay alive that way. Good cops get killed far too quickly. It’s worse than the Old Wild West.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:19pmThanks to Obama these same people can load all their guns into a wheelbarrow and walk into the United States.
Report Post »You, however, need an ID check, a passport and a pat-down to leave.
hayesstephen
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:33amPlease stop saying close our borders. Not one is going to do this, whether lib or consev. obummer especially wants the border left wide open. He’s just waiting for an excuse to declare martial law, suspend the elections and our civil liberties. We’re one act of terrorism away from a dictatorship with obummer as our new president for life.
Report Post »I do not use caps when talking about obummer, he doesn’t deserve even that much respect.
SIXFRIGATES
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:11pmBring home the troops and put them to use actually defending our borders! Mexico is far more dangerous than Iraq or Afghanistan right now.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:15pmPosse Comitatus prohibits using federal troops in that capacity.
Texas State Guard and others guard forces under the governors’ direction can.
Report Post »LMW
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:00amIt is the duty via our Constitution that troops can be used to protect the borders of the US. They can not be used as a civil police within the US but to patrol and defend the US borders for illegals entering is legal and should be done.
Report Post »LMW
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:19amIt is the duty of the military to protect the borders of the US according to our Constitution so the use of troops along the border to keep all illegals of any kind is correct and should be done now. They can not be used as civil police within the US but to protect our borders. We should start shooting anyone who crosses the border illegally and any body who helps them do so is a traitor and should be shot along with the illegals. It is the law and not open to decide what laws are to be enforced and which are not. You may feel sad for the illegals but they are law breakers and should be delt with according to the law not feelings. If you do not like a law then have Congress make a new law but until then this is way it is. I’m sick and tired of the Boo-Hoos wanting to spend my tax money and steal from my country because they feel sorry. If you feel so bad then go where ever and change their country to the better. Spend your money not mine. It is time we take back this country and try all politicians that have been a party to these crimes and punish them according to the law. They are traitors.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:00amI agree that it’s time to take our country back. You cannot have an immigration policy if you have no border.
However – shooting crossers is not a good solution. I have crossers come on to my property. I call PD who comes faster than Border Patrol. While we wait, I let them wash up w/soap & garden hose. I usually cook them some ramen noodles and give them something clean to drink. So far, all the ones I have come by have just been looking for a better life, a safer life than they have at home. One 17 yr old kid watched his buddy drown in the river making his crossing. Yes, they have broken our laws, but killing them only makes the matter worse. And I am NO traitor. I am Christian who treats sojourners w/mercy.
If you want to shoot someone, shoot the damn coyote that drops them off in the middle of nowhere! Shoot the cartel guard who ferries them across smuggling routes like pack mules w/little to no sustenance. I have zero problem w/summary executions of the guys leading who have the rifles. BANG! in the no twitch zone.
We need a better barrier to make it harder to get across. We need a foreign policy that pushes Latin American countries into more freedom for their citizens and more opportunities for basic education (Mexico only supplies a 6th grade education) and jobs. The maquilas have made it possible for Mexican citizens to earn a real living. It’s made it possible for young women to avoid becoming prostitutes to support family.
Free markets make free peop
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:43pmah, our clean and decent ‘peaceful’ neighbor Mehico.
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:42pmto all you radical hispanic teachers crying for a revolution here, why don’t you go to your own country and start a revolution, it needs cleansing
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:04pmBecause they have had their heads filled with the liberal crap from the Democrats, and America hating academicians. They have become like water that flows in the path of least resistance and would rather stay here and protest and scream for special rights and treatment. You won’t see this type returning to their native land and stand up for their own country.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:41pmThank goodness we have the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan secure. That will keep this kind of madness from spilling over on to our border.
Report Post »The-Real-Enrico
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:07pmLOL! I bust out laughing when I read that. That‘s really shouldn’t be a laughing matter though.
Report Post »People need to wake up and demand accountability.
kryptonite
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 3:28amYou’re hopeless, Mutiny, but that was witty.
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:38pmgraduates are still going to mexico on spring break what the heck is wrong with their parents, why give that POS corupt country our money ?????
Report Post »chips1
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:17pmI agree. We have our own corrupt country to support.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:27pmchips1 I live in mexico, was born here, and if you think there is any comparison you have a screw loose. You can bribe for anything from a drivers license without any tests to judges or anything all the way to the top.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:36pmI forgot to add that I am a us citizen also, vietnam veteran lifetime member of DAV.
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:46pmWe cancelled our cruise to Cozomel today and will be going to Destin instead, just don’t want to be a statistic.These people can be worse than Savages.
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:30pm…
Report Post »Christians need to arm themselves, to protect their group members from evil attackers.
God helps those, who help themselves. I don’t think God wants us to just sit back and do nothing, while girls are being raped.
Elena2010
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:40pmMexico has no 2nd Amendment right. Only the bad guys have guns down there.
Report Post »ICEDRAGON
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:40pmEvery Jew/Christian needs to arm them selves to the teeth. The Caliphate will be in full swing in a few years and we will be their targets. Just look around the world when mohommedism comes peace leaves and murders and rapes go up. So get armed.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:23pm@ELENA …
Thanks to Holder and Obama regime .. the criminals have even more.
OMG 2012 LIBERTY ..
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:30pmElena2010 Here in mexico there IS the right to bear arms, it‘s just been twisted to where it’s hard to do so. I plan on being back to the us in less than 2 months, where my LEGAL guns are. I do not plan on returning here.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:34pmGot that right, CATB! They are pathetic little men w/grandiose ideas of how to destroy America and her people.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:50pmI stand corrected TOLTEP — but what good is the right if you cannot exercise it? An armed citizenry is less likely to be overwhelmed by criminals or invaders. It was, after all, why the Nazis left the Swiss alone.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:10amElena2010 I agree with you 100%. They did what the left would like to do there, just render it useless.
You can own a .380 or .38 (or smaller) but you have to jump through hoops plus there is only one gun store for arms or ammo and it’s in DF. They make it so the average person cannot own them, just those with money or connections.
We live in a small pueblo, uncle pablo owns a small store. He has been robbed and assaulted in 2 months, is shutting down. It’s normal for it to happen, no arms or police for protection.
Report Post »TonyRUS
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:20amI agree. Christians can shun arms, and then feel so good about themselves while their women are raped. But hey, they avoided the arms, didn’t they! They’re cowards. They are twisting scriptures to justify the easier path. They want to say “turn the other cheek”? That means turn the cheek while YOU are being assualted, Dad, not your wife. Armed bands and lawlessness are coming to the US. Society does not have to break down to any serious degree for armed bands to rove our country side, and when financial markets begin to break down, following Europe, and serious austerity measures or hyper inflation begin to occur, their will be riots by the entitled and there will be lawlessness. Then, the chance drastically increases that things will happen to your women that are worse than death. Arm yourselves. Don’t let your kind, sweet women convince you not to. How ironic that would be.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:30am@TOLTEP — the cartel took over most of the small towns along the river — took them a few years to accomplish the task, but they are now working on larger metro areas, like Reynosa and Matamoros. A year or so ago, they took Camargo, across fm Rio Grande City. They left notes on folks’ doors telling them to leave or die. My postal clerk’s in-laws were forced off their ranch that way. It makes my blood boil to see what is happening to the typical Mexican citizen.
No, I’m not Hispanic unless you count a Portuguese grandmother. Yes, I’m a US citizen w/a family that goes back to colonies before the Pilgrims hit the beach. Most of them served in the military fm the French & Indian Wars onward, myself included. I know the cost of freedom. It’s just makes me sick that our next door neighbor is not free the same way we are. I‘m furious that their gov’t does so little to ensure freedom and safety. I read an article tonight that Mexicans are willing to give up civil rights to get rid of the cartel violence. That’s not a fair exchange!
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:06amTony — that’s not what Jesus is saying in that passage. A slap on the face is a Middle Eastern insult. To force the slapper to look at the palm of his own hand while slapping “backwards” is an insult back on him of the same magnitude. Archbishop Tutu showed how it’s done Biblically. One day while walking along a sidewalk that was halved by scaffolding, he was met by a large white South African who growled at him: “I ain‘t gettin’ outta the way for no goriller.” Tutu responded by hopping down into the gutter saying: “But I will!”
Jesus does say that those who LIVE by the sword will PERISH by the sword. And He also tells the disciples that when He is taken and they are scattered to be prepared w/a sword. He did not say do not properly defend yourself; He did say don’t start something. Work toward peace always, but be wise as serpents.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:24pmSo sad.
I was asked if I wanted to go on a trip to Rocky Point a few months back. Turned it down flat cold. I have no interest in being in Mexico right now.
It’s becoming a textbook definition of a “failed state.”
I hope the members of this group can overcome this ordeal and go on to live happy lives.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:54pmOk.
Failed state works. But they look at us as a failed state also.
Mexico has a revolutionary history that it still holds sacred (much like we do).
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Don’t forget that Trotsky was murdered near Mexico City in 1940.
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Mexico is NOT a lost cause. nor is the border.
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We should ANNEX Mexico and make it a part of America.
because this is what they are trying to do to us.
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cut ‘em off.
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We gain little
they gain much
The map changes—
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details too hard to predict….
but South America will sweat like the equator has been moved…
just a thought.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:15pmMRBUTCHER, Just do with Mexico as Ron White suggests.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO5EFYY6P14
Toltepeceno
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:45pmMrButcher You are kidding, right? I know of nobody here that thinks of the US as a failed state. I have spent many years of my life here (mexico) and most that speak spanish are begging me to teach them english, and would go to the us in a heartbeat. I think you have been listening to left wingers or our government. The us left wingers live in an alternate reality and mexicans do not believe our overnment. It’s funny that a significant number of people in the us believe our government more than us.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:47pmHI RJJ,
Thanks for posting that.
Never heard of him before.
Have a good night.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:31amBILLY, I’m stunned. Never heard of Blue Collar Comedy Tour? Jeff Foxworthy, Bill Engvall, Ron White, and Larry The Cable Guy? Glad that I could expose you to at least Ron White. The rest of their comedy is a lot cleaner than Ron though.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:55amHi RJJ,
I know Jeff, and Larry, but nope, never saw him before.
Take care.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:19am@RJJINGADSDEN
I love Ron White, particular his jokes about the plane wreck and when he got kicked out of a bar for wearing a hat.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:23pmThis will be buried by the main stream press/media.
To my Christian friends: read up on the Conquistadors. They used similar tactics when confronted by outsiders.
Americans need to understand that the post WW2/post Cold War world is over.
The narrative that is trying to be achieved is a post-American global power world.
Don’t buy it.
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Elena2010
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:01amThe Conquistadors also met a culture that was far more demonic than people today can imagine. The Aztecs happily performed human sacrifice daily. The Maya were no better, save down on their luck at the time the Spanish came to town.
God principle: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. Sow human sacrifice and be crushed by others. It happened to Israel and Judah who had killed their own children as sacrifice to the gods of their neighbors.
Report Post »hi
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:14pmI think many hispanics realize this is what they are voting for our country to be like if they support Obama.
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:32pmThis one does, I will be back in the us long before the election:)
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 4:34amThese type of criminals are exactly who Obama wants in this country it’s the Chicago way.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:13pmAnother reason I cannot wait to see God punish the wicked!
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:32pmAh, but the gods never do…..
Only we do.
There in lies the problem.
Do YOU really want to punish the “wicked” in lieu of divine retribution?
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Elena2010
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:41pmAmen, Chief! Amen. I’ll be right there asking the Lord to employ really big flames in the cases of rapist before the Throne. I worked w/waaaay too many victims and survivors of sexual assault when I was in the USN.
Report Post »chrinortay
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:45pmMSBUTCHER, There are no “gods”, only one God and He has a history of punishing those who mess with His people. Ever read the Bible? You should, then you can learn about His son, Jesus, who came here for YOU. Jesus was ridiculed, spat upon, beaten, humiliated, bloodied, rejected and ultimately crucified so that you might have salvation. Believe it now, or believe it when you die or He returns. However you meet Him, you WILL bow and you WILL confess who He is.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:02pm@Chinotry
Read up on the Conquistadors.
But if I, personally, ever meet Jesus Christ either on this earth or in the afterlife, I’d spit in his face and tell him he was a “no good lying bastard who should have stood up for himself.”
If that’s a problem, then I’m fine with my judgement…
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:12pmMRB — He stood up to sin for us rather than standing up for Himself. He could have called upon angel battalions to come to His rescue, but that would have left us to die in sin.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 3:24amDon’t delude yourself, BUTCHER. Do all your spitting now — to the winds. When you two meet in the afterlife, you will BOW to King Jesus and confess he is Lord. Then you’ll be thrown into the lake of fire, together with all those Islamists you so utterly hate.
Or you can do yourself a favor and invite him into your life now. The door to heaven is still open to you, but it can close suddenly. It’s too late for Alex Okrent…
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