House Votes on GOP Debt Bill, Boehner Hopeful
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WASHINGTON (The Blaze/AP) — As Thursday’s crucial vote neared, Republican leaders convinced a growing number of their fractious rank and file to support a House plan to stave off an unprecedented government default. Many of the chamber’s GOP freshmen, crucial to passage, were climbing aboard, but leaders stopped short of claiming victory.
If the House approved the bill, it would bring President Barack Obama and congressional leaders a step closer to endgame efforts for a debt-limit solution before Tuesday’s deadline.
At an afternoon news conference, Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said the House would act on legislation that he called “a sincere, honest effort to end this crisis.” Rival Democratic leaders moved ahead on the assumption that Boehner would prevail in rallying Republicans to back the legislation.
Republicans are seeking deep spending cuts in exchange for raising the nation’s $14.3 trillion debt limit to allow the government to keep paying its bills. The White House has threatened to veto the GOP bill if it makes it through the Democratic-controlled Senate. Still, getting the newly modified House plan passed on Thursday was seen as an important step toward finding a compromise – possibly in the Senate.
Rival plans by Boehner and Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid have enough in common – including the establishment of a special congressional panel to recommend additional spending cuts this fall – that Reid has hinted a compromise could be achievable.
As debate got under way in the House, Reid said the Senate would vote on the GOP bill as soon as the House finished late Thursday – and predicted it would fail in his chamber.
“No Democrat will vote for a short-term Band-Aid that would put our economy at risk and put the nation back in this untenable situation a few short months from now,” Reid said.
Earlier in the day, in a closed-door GOP meeting, Boehner, R-Ohio, made headway in securing the 217 votes necessary to pass his plan. No Democrats were expected to support it. Boehner told the Republicans he expected to round up enough votes but was not there yet.
“But today is the day,” he said, according to people in the room.
Later, Boehner said the bill “is as large a step as we’re able to take at this point in time that is doable and signable and to become law,” he said.
Standing with Boehner, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., who counts the votes, offered no numbers, but said they were moving in the right direction.
The bill passed an early hurdle as the House voted 238-186 along party lines to move forward on the legislation.
Some lawmakers were climbing behind it, though sometimes grudgingly.
“I think it’s the best deal we can get,” said Rep. Steve Chabot, R-Ohio, who said he had dropped his opposition. Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., said he would back the measure to ensure that Boehner “has a seat at the table” for the final negotiations.
Critical to Boehner is support from his chamber’s 87 freshmen, who lifted the GOP to its House majority last November, many of them with tea party support from the right. More than a dozen freshmen told reporters that a significant number of their class were now backing Boehner’s plan
“It is not a perfect plan, certainly, but it is a good step forward,” said Rep. Tim Griffin, R-Ark., one of the newcomers.
The White House expected Boehner to rally enough Republicans for the measure, with adviser David Plouffe saying it will “pass out of the House in partisan fashion.” The House has 240 Republicans and 193 Democrats with two vacancies. Boehner can only afford to lose two dozen members.
Wall Street warily watched the standoff in Washington. Stocks rose modestly for much of the day, then faded. The Dow Jones industrial average declined 62 points, the fifth straight daily drop.
The Treasury Department moved ahead with plans to hold its regular weekly auction of three-month and six-month Treasury securities on Monday. The department said it would provide additional information on how it would pay its bills if the deadline should pass without an increase in the nation’s borrowing authority.
While the Boehner and Reid measures differ in key details, they also share similarities that underscore the concessions made by the two sides in recent days. Reid’s bill does not envision a tax increase to reduce deficits, a bow to Republicans. But neither does the House measure require passage of a constitutional balanced budget amendment for state ratification, a step in the direction of Obama and the Democrats.
At the White House, spokesman Jay Carney said, “What a compromise looks like is pretty clear: significant deficit reduction, a mechanism by which Congress would take on the tough issues of tax reform and entitlement reform, and a lifting of the debt ceiling beyond — into 2013, so that we do not have the cloud of uncertainty that is hanging over our economy right now.”
In the House, Boehner made headway with balky conservatives unhappy that the measure contains smaller spending cuts than a more-stringent debt measure that passed the House last week. The new measure depends on caps on agency budgets to cut more than $900 billion from the deficit over the coming decade while permitting a commensurate increase in the nation’s borrowing to allow the government to pay its bills.
Boehner argued that the measure represented “the best opportunity we have to hold the president’s feet to the fire. He wants a $2.4 trillion blank check that lets him continue his spending binge through the next election. This is the time to say no.” Boehner made the comments Wednesday to conservative radio host Laura Ingraham.
The White House threatened a veto, saying the bill did not meet Obama’s demand for an increase in the debt limit large enough to prevent a rerun of the current crisis next year, in the heat of the 2012 election campaign.
“It’s inconceivable to me that the president would actually follow through on this threat,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Thursday.
McConnell accused Democrats of “playing with fire” in planning to block the Boehner proposal in the Senate.
Obama supports an alternative drafted by Reid that contains comparable cuts to agency operating budgets but also claims savings from lowball estimates of war costs. Reid’s plan would provide a record-breaking $2.7 trillion in additional borrowing authority, enough to tide the government over through 2012. Reid, however, is plainly short of the votes needed to overcome a GOP filibuster.
Unless Congress acts by Tuesday, administration officials say, the government will not be able to pay all its bills. They include $23 billion in Social Security benefits due Aug. 3, an $87 billion payment to investors to redeem maturing Treasury securities and more than $30 billion in interest payments that come due Aug. 15.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and other officials warn that a default could prove catastrophic for an economy still recovering from the worst recession in decades. But some skeptics, including conservative Republicans like Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, say Geithner can manage Treasury’s cash flow to avoid a catastrophe if Congress fails to act.
House Republicans tweaked their measure Wednesday to enhance its prospects of passage after a worse-than expected cost estimate from congressional budget analysts on Tuesday. The changes were modest, but under arcane budget conventions, they brought projected savings for 2012 to $22 billion, part of a 10-year cut of $917 billion. That would trigger a $900 billion increase in the debt limit.
Boehner showed fire in a meeting Wednesday with the Republican caucus.
“Get your ass in line,” Boehner told the rank and file. “I can‘t do this job unless you’re behind me.”
The speaker still faced resistance.
Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, said he is still “a beat up no” vote after Thursday’s session.
Plouffe was interviewed on MSNBC.
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Comments (90)
TeaPartyPatriot
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:04pmMy “Wish List”:
1. Boehner’s bogus plan is KILLED in the House. (If not, it will go to the Senate where dingy-harry will make it even worse – including a free pass for obozo’s re-election efforts throughout 2012 – and send it back to the House, where the House Repubs will be on the hook to pass the atrocity or leave the government with no increased spending authority – and the d-cRAT socialists and their stooges in the socialist media will see to it that they get ALL of the BLAME for that.)
2. NO-PLAN-OBOZO unilaterally increases the debt limit to continue the reckless, out-of-control irresponsible, wasteful, Greece-like d-cRAT socialist spending. (He is then IMPEACHED by the House.)
3. ALL the credit agencies DOWNGRADE the US from AAA to AA. (That will finally prove to everyone that the d-cRAT socialists and establishment repubs are doing nothing but blowing smoke up America’s butt with their phony “spending-cut” plans.)
4. Cut, Cap and Balance becomes law and the Budget Balanced Amendment is adopted by the states. (This is the ONLY way that washington’s political hacks will act responsibly – if they have NO OTHER CHOICE. Of course, the first step REQUIRES a Repub Senate and a Repub president to join a Repub House, which can then pass and follow CCB even while the states vote on the BBA. )
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 7:27pmI’m ready to take my medicine doctor!
Report Post »ramburner
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 7:56pmCut, Cap and Balance was only a start. It did NOT provide the DEEP cuts in spending required by the American people. The ONLY thing it did was to provide a balanced budget going forward, and I am NOT sure it did that correctly. Return to civility in government by eliminating most departments who oversee the people. Kill our national debt by STOPPING the FUNDING of other nations, retirement benefits for previous “civil servants” and the UN. Elect ONLY Tea Party members from either party! Kill funding for ALL projects not completed in the current year. Redesign immigration policy and SECURE our borders using whatever force it takes! Respect from the people of America STARTS with spending ONLY what is taken in; our FIRST priority is paying off the national debt! Balanced budget Amendment is NOT required if our elected officials WILL get serious with DEEP spending CUTS. Obama has NOT delivered a budget because he has NO IDEA what he is doing, except to propose “fundamental changes” on the American people, making us like all the European Communist run nations. Throw ALL the life-timers in Congress OUT of office and keep ONLY dedicated Tea Party members. Let us STOP laughing at the joke; “how do you know if a politician is lying?” Since they have ALL PROVEN it is TRUE, let us begin again with Tea Party members of BOTH Parties and get rid of ALL the PROGRESSIVES! We the People WANT our Country back again. ANYONE NOT satisfied with the Capitalist way of life can LEAVE this cou
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 10:08pm@haydeng
Report Post »Posted on July 28, 2011 at 7:27pm
I’m ready to take my medicine doctor!
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But first I want to see your credentials, and the PROOF THIS MEDICINE WILL DO MORE GOOD THAN HARM!
Dr.. Your Stimulus’ QE1&2, and HealthCare Legislation, are making me sicker, TELL ME AGAIN WHY I SHOULD TRUST YOU TO GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME?????
Daddymac10
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:01pmCountry is financially on fire and these politicians still wanna play games. The best option that made the most sense was cut, cap, and balance. If that is not acceptable to the Senate and President, then not raising the debt ceiling will be the next best option. Mr. Speaker please tell the clowns cut, cap, and balance is all they gonna get ..if they cry then they all can hit the highway
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:10pmAmen Big Daddy!
Report Post »Now is the chance to kill this out of control government and all of it’s socialist programs once and for all. YES there will be pain and suffering, better me and now then for my children to be nothing more than slaves to this enourmous government and debt.
encinom
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:36pmCut Cap and Balance is crap, it makes no sense, to anyone with more than two brain cells. The ***** Plan is DOA in the Senate.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 7:26pm@Encinom, We know it makes no sense to you, as you have only one tired, tainted brain cell.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 8:42pmLet us join together, PAY our WAR Bills, and restore our national good faith & credit. It is amazing to hear people compare the Government debt to a Family budget. Many families have mortgages and credit cards that need to be paid. When times get tough, somebody in the family increases the income and everybody else cuts back. But the basic family survives.
TEA Pee
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 10:21pm@encinom
Report Post »Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:36pm
Cut Cap and Balance is crap, it makes no sense, to anyone with more than two brain cells. The ***** Plan is DOA in the Senate
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It does no good, no matter how many brain cells you have, if you never learned to think with them, or to follow a suggestion to it’s logical solution…….
Give an alcoholic the keys to the brewery and the guards schedule, and you’ll have a drunk!
Give a Crack Addict, the keys to the Pharmacy, and it’s schedule for when the alarms are turned off, and you’ll be missing a lot of drugs???
Give a Tax Cheat the keys to the Treasury Dept. building, and the ability to be in the building alone, and you need a good internal audit.
Give the friend of a tax cheat the printing presses at the Fed and you’re money will be of less value.
Give a Big Spending, Vote Buying POTUS (who‘s already racked more debt up personally than all the POTUS’ before him combined), an increase in the debt limit and you’ll have? { A more responsible spending habit, and better credit rating? I DON’T THINK SO !!!!! }
Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:57pmHarry Weed won’t let the thing be voted and will try to cram a last second proposal through the Senate and to the House for an impossible cote in a ploy to lay the whole thing on the Republican House.
Report Post »Republicans should repeat “This is about obama’s and the Pelosi/Reid Congress that recklessly OVERSPENT $6 Trillion. That is what has brought us here – and now they wants Trillions more with no accountability. For this they are THREATENING To Stop Social security payments that are already funded”.!
OBAMA is the only one who can withhold Social security checks that have already been budgeted! The Social Security checks can be stopped by Obama – and he is threatening to do it if he doesn’t get an additional $2.8 TRILLION in borrowed money! That’s on top of his $1.5 TRILLION/Year OVERSPENDING!
Dominican
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:48pmMr Speaker explain how are you goin to pay interst on 16.5 trillions if you can’t afford the actual 14.5 trillions.
Report Post »This don’t make any sense;Just start cutting 10% across the board and don’t raise the debt ceiling;it will be worst next year.
Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:54pmRight on!
Report Post »palrider1
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:41pmI was called today for a donation for the repub party. I told him I wouldn’t donate to any party at this time and if I do it will be given directly to any repub that primarys a repub who voted to give this marxist in the WH any more money.
Report Post »AnnMarie
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:45pmI would hope that they can get this passed so this matter can move on. This can be fought thru this year and into the next for cuts in spending. It does not all have to be done in one vote. It took allot of votes to get us here… They need to move this forward… Throwing the country further under the bus as the Dems have done is not the solution. It then becomes the problem.
Report Post »LibertyWon
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:37pmHot potato, don’t get caught with the HOT potato.
Report Post »Maybe Bohner knows this and will put up a budget from Pauls budget at one to midnight.
The Time Has Come
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:37pmOnce again the gutless republicans caved.The leadership of the party is pathetic, Boehner and McConnell are stupid and couldn’t articulate a plan if their life depended on it.If this plan passes the house not only does it insure that they will lose their majority in 2012 they just guranteed obamas reelectin in 2012 also. Harry Reid is laughing his ass off at the stupid, spineless republicans never thinking it would be this easy to manipulate them.
They will receive no more chances from me.It’s time for a third party that has the best interest of the country at heart.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:42pmYou are exactly right. We have been lied to and manipulated by the libs for far too long, then the msm makes us out to be the bad guys. Time to stand and fight!
Report Post »Treaty
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:27pmBoehner’s between a rock and a hard place. I am a member of the Tea Party and I support him on this bill. In 2012 when the Tea Party makes the Republicans a majority in the House and Senate, and when they put a Republican in the Whitehouse, then there won’t be any excuses. But for now we have to manage perceptions and the perception that will be created is that the Republicans tried twice but the Democrats were intransigent. It will lie squarely with Reid and Obama.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:39pmUnder Boehners plan the 2012 defict will still be 1.5 TRILLION! No way enough is enough!
Report Post »True American66
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:56pmTreaty…
Report Post »I’m with you on this one. This is not the time to go so hardline on Boehner. He is doing all he can do giving the fact that the dems control the Senate and the White House. We have to remain united behind our conservative counyrtmen at his point. After the next election, then we can hold their feet to the fire.
Parkeralan
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:31pmI think you guy’s miss the point. If we want to really fix this economy and save our nation from runaway liberalism and debt, better to do this on “their” (the dems) watch… If we try to do anything when we control the White House we will be villified as evil conservatives and the pendulem will again swing further left.
Hold Firm, No deal, let it default. Taxes will still keep rolling in, enough to cover the neccessities. Maybe not enough for PBS, planned parenthood, FEMA, EPA, HUD etc; etc; Fine by me!
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:47pmHow can you compromise with EVIL ?
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 10:37pm@In 2012 when the Tea Party makes the Republicans a majority in the House and Senate, and when they put a Republican in the Whitehouse, then there won’t be any excuses. But for now we have to manage perceptions and the perception that will be created is that the Republicans tried twice but the Democrats were intransigent. It will lie squarely with Reid and Obama.
Report Post »*****
AND YOU PLAN TO GET MAJORITY IN HOUSE AND SENATE ….H O W ???? It won‘t happen if the repub’s keep compromising and giving away the 1 advantage they have….ALL SPENDING BILLS MUST ORIGINATE IN THE HOUSE CONSTITUTIONALY! That means Harry Reid couldn’t prepare his bill and send it to the repub controlled House!!! We already passed a spending bill with a debt ceiling raise, HE KILLED IT! HE SAYS THIS ONE’S DOA, WITHOUT IT, NO CONFERENCE COMMITTE CAN ALIGN TWO BILLS, IF WE’D STICK TO OUR GUNS, “WOULD THE SKY TRULY FALL??? IF THIS BILL PASSES WE MAY OR MAY NOT FIND OUT!!! {My money’s on the traveling salesman pulling the hatchet out of the ceiling, marrying the farmers daughter, and her trapsing merrily down to the basement for cheese and wine for the wedding party!!! }
ALL I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT POLITICS I LEARNED FROM CHILDREN’S STORIES !!!!
Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:26pmThis is a dream come true! We have been preparing for this for years while the politicians have been enslaving our children’s future. Squirreling away gold, guns, ammo, food, are you ready? The shiite is about to hit the fan, NO-ONE should be surprised, game over! Time to pay the piper! This is not an end of America, it is an end of progressivism and it’s unaffordable excesses.
Report Post »jhrusky
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:26pmThis is rather simple: immediate cuts which total MORE than any increase in the debt limit, nothing less. If the muslim in chief won’t sign, so be it. Pay the internet on the debt, the military, social security and medicate. Everything else is fair game.
Get rid of any funding for the arts. I like art, but we must be frugal now.
Get rid of any funding for things like public broadcasting. Let people volutarily fund it if they wish.
No more funding for other countries… especially when we’re hurting ourselves!
No more funding for planned parenthood and other such groups.
No more subsidies for ANY business. If business cannot make it, let them fail. Someone else will come in, pick up the pieces and run successfully with it.
Reduce salaries and benefits for ALL congress (i.e. our employees) to no more than what the average American salary is. The employer certainly should not be allowing the employees to make more than they are!
Put an end to obamacare and at the same time remove obstacles for insurance companies to compete across state lines.
No more grants for stupid ‘scientific studies’ that are not pertinent to our survival – this is not the time to figure out why some fruit flies have homosexual tendacies!
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That should be a start … I’m certain there are hundreds, if not thousands, of other idiotic things out there we are wasting billions of dollars on.
His mother was born a Jackyl … and the time draweth nigh . . .
WOLVERINES!
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:46pmI completely agree with everything you say, except the wolverine thing, Go Buckeyes!
Ohio 37 – Michigan 7 – seven in a row!
Report Post »jhrusky
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:57pmWOLVERINES! is a reference to the movie ‘Red Dawn’, not football :-)
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:50pmRaise taxes on non-military federal employees after we cut ranks by 20%
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 7:04pmRed Dawn, Patrick Swaysee, Got it… LOL . It‘s too bad we don’t have a leader like Jim Tressel, He knew how to get shiite done, even if he had to break a few rules….
Report Post »Oh, God!
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 8:25pmForgot about that movie. Will have to watch it again. Also had Jennifer Grey, C. Thomas Howell. From what I remember it is the start of WWIII when the Soviets invade a town and these group of kids fight to defend their town and country.
Report Post »jhrusky
Posted on July 30, 2011 at 8:27amYup … and it’s time for us to be those kids…
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:25pmGod Bless Speaker Boehner with his Spine of Steel – the GOP wet-nosed shock troops need to get their wet @$$es right in line- nuts to butts -so we can get the country back and save our people from Billions and trillions in credit rate increases that will be demanded by the guilty, greedy bankers and foreign investors.
Save our grandchildrens finances for the Job Creators!
Please Mister Speaker, do the right thing, and PAY OUR BILLS to preserve our national fiscal reputation.
TEA
Report Post »freedom_gurl35
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:22pmI‘m watching the House’s debate right now and am laughing so hard over Jesse Jackson Jr‘s rant about how unfair it is that Obama’s being treated so harshly. Leave it up to him or his father to throw out the race card. But I digress…
“The new measure depends on caps on agency budgets to cut more than $900 billion from the deficit over the coming decade while permitting a commensurate increase in the nation’s borrowing to allow the government to pay its bills.”
Isn‘t this logic kinda like telling a drowning man that you’ll save two grains of sand for him to stand on, so he won’t drown? How is “saving” 900 billion going to make ANY difference when the debt ceiling will be raised? Exactly how much is a “commensurate increase”, anyway? The Republicans don’t get it; the Democrats are going to reject any budget the House passes, no matter what. Let the country default, as the Dems claim. Let it happen! Force Obama to make decisions that’ll make him look like the bad guy, rather than this country’s savior!
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:04pmYeah I’m watching the House name a post office after some guy… They fiddle while we burn!
Report Post »Slick Willie
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:20pmThis is all a dog and pony show. They have this all planned out to destroy the American economy. Then
Report Post »they will introduce us to the wonderful new Global currency. BANK ON IT FOLKS….It’s here.
Redistributor
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:19pmNot sure what’s the proposed plan??
Report Post »Verum Ad Potentia
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:18pm“Get your ass in line,” Boehner told the rank and file. “I can‘t do this job unless you’re behind me.”
NO SIR! It seems you have forgotten that YOU work for US! So with all do respect Sir, it is YOU who needs to get YOUR ASS IN LINE behind US!
We have had ENOUGH! If you won’t do what you were sent to DC to do, we’ll throw you out & put somebody in the Speaker’s seat that WILL. You are on notice Sir.
Report Post »USACommoner
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:18pmIf no agreement on this is reached by the “deadline”…obama and all his people don‘t receive a freakin’ paycheck either.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 10:54pm@USACommoner
Report Post »Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:18pm
If no agreement on this is reached by the “deadline”…obama and all his people don‘t receive a freakin’ paycheck either.
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But they can “Party Hardy” in the White House, until something does get done, then they’ll get their checks a little delayed.
My Military Wife, family member tells me I was mistaken , about in April, the military only getting 3 weeks pay; IT WAS ONLY 2 WEEKS PAY FOR ALL ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY, IN WAR ZONES OR AT HOME AND ABROAD !!! The did receive it 10 days late after the debt ceiling was raised. Then he went off for photo ops with the troops! DISGUSTING !!!!
vtxphantom
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:14pmWe are screwed no matter what. We will not be able to make a real difference until 2012. The republicans have been outplayed by their own party and the democrats. Hold your nose because everything is going to stink.
Report Post »copper
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:16pmThat’s IT FOR ME. Good bye Republicans! I will NOT vote REPUBLICAN AGAIN. There is NO DIFFERENCE!
I wasted my money in 2010 supporting those who I thought cared about this country. Let the Elites have their CLUB OF WASHINGTON with REID and Pelosi. I’m GONE!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:22pmI am a libertarian for voting and have said this especially the last couple of days — among the Right it is the old guard like McCain that has sold us out.
Report Post »Fed up in Bama
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:56pm@Copper Exactly what do you want them to do? They have ONE house. Can’t do much w/ one house. If we can get ‘something’ passed toward our goal, then they’ve got a miracle happening right before our eyes.
Report Post »Until we get the White House and Senate back, not a heck of a lot we can do.
Give it our all and if it fails, then make the dems play an impeachable move.
vtxphantom
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:59pmI’m with you Snow. I’m libertarian also. This was screwed up from the begining. Cut cap and balance was never given a fair chance. It was messed up by the Senate minority.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:09pmReid has pledged to vote against it. Why not just give up and ask Reid and Obama for THEIR plans. Like Rush said, Republicans are just compromising with themselves by coming up with plans, then re-writing them, while Obama just sits around doing nothing. I hope this comes back to bite the Democrats in the butt big-time.
Report Post »Oh, God!
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:23pmI am keeping my fingers crossed on that. Heard Rush today also, he is about as frustrated as we are. He sees what is going to happen and many others do too. Unfortunately, Boehner, et al do not or think they will be ‘liked’ more by doing what they are doing. As Rush says, “Compromise is for losers, not winners”. I happen to believe in that also.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:07pmThe spending cuts MUST be upfront and immediate, not over 10 years, no in unspecified terms, not tomorrow, because then they never happen….
If you want 500b in the ceiling, then 1t in cuts…. you want 1t added to the ceiling, 2t in cuts, but the cuts all happen now, starting with cutting off the UN, foreign aid all services that support illegal aliens and all payments to illegal aliens… start there, and start upfront with cuts.
Report Post »Susan Harkins
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:13pmSo we get some BS watered-down 20 year debt reduction pkg that is obsolete after 6 months, instead of the prudent and responsible direction of:
1) CUT
2) CAP
3) BALANCE
And these fools still wonder if we are going to crash and burn? Amazing!
GO RON PAUL.
Report Post »THX RAND PAUL.
Tea Party House Members — we applaud you.
Jediusetheforce
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:07pmBoehner needs to be replaced/fired..Period!!!
Report Post »jmootispaw
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:07pmAs a regular TEA Party we need to keep track of who votes for what going forward. This is big and I believe we will see more of who is an establishment politician and who actually cares about the health of our country. I think the 2008 R presidential candidate has shown where he stands as has the minority leader of teh senate and the house speaker. Stand in line to be primaried and made to fight what has been yours. I don’t think you will keep these seats much longer. Keep track folks, we have a lot of work to do to save the republic!
Report Post »ilovethiscountry
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:06pmDon’t give Obama a blank check.
Report Post »Grapeknutz
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:11pmYeah ***** get your a$$ in line at unemployment! you will be out next cycle.
Report Post »copper
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:15pmThat’s IT FOR ME. Good bye Republicans! I will NOT vote REPUBLICAN AGAIN. There is NO DIFFERENCE!
I wasted my money in 2010 supporting those who I thought cared about this country. Let the Elites have their CLUB OF WASHINGTON with REID and Pelosi. I’m GONE!
Report Post »Fly Old Glory 24/7 365
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:06pmuh, which line you talking about John? Conservative America is not liking your line. How bout you come over to our line?
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:05pmNo Deal! The debt will continue to grow under all plans being proposed, just a little slower! Default and prioritize spending with the taxes that come in.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:09pmWe CAN’T default, the math works against defaulting no matter what – we bring in 200b a month, that is enough to pay the debt payment, military pay, social security and medicare… with several b left over, so by the very math – the country cannot default if Aug 2 comes and goes.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:20pm@capitalismrocks: Default is in fact a balanced budget MANDATE! No new borrowing means you spend what you earn! Then all of those liberal/progressive nightmares go Buhbye. Besides the fed will keep lending to the Treasury if no one else does (just kidding, kind of).
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:27pmI agree we won’t default but, Obama will be in charge of prioritizing the bill payments. He’ll shut a bunch of stuff down, the press will blame the mean old Republicans, the gullible masses will buy it, the Republicans will cave and Obama will get re elected. We’ve seen it before and so have they. Get it over with and cut a deal and concentrate on winning 2012. Boehner isn’t the problem, OBAMA IS and we all need to remember that!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:33pmTo my earlier point, look at the next headline: “Carney Accuses Republicans of Trying to ‘Blow Up’ Economy”
Report Post »If we don’t raise it, as the economy worsens the Dems will point a finger at coservatives. People will believe that B.S. and the press will be pounding the drum. Right now, Obama owns the econmy, let him own it all by himself!
Gonzo
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:04pm“No Democrat will vote for a short-term Band-Aid that would put our economy at risk” Said Reid.
Report Post »They are going to vote for my short-term Band-Aid that would put our economy at risk!
I’m over it. No significant progress can be made because of Senate Dems and Obama. Just vote and get it over with and let’s have an election. Once they are in charge again, Republicans better step up or there WILL be a third party.
mils
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:11pmtrue.
I don‘t like boehner’s offerings. The cuts should come as the ceiling is raised..not 10 years down the line. they want the money to spend right now…but not make cuts..right now…NOT RIGHT!!!
I’m tired of both parties. The people that don’t pay taxes are happy to raise taxes etc on those that do pay taxes.
Report Post »Tony Cat
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:34pmSTOP Talking about a THIRD Party!! That’s how we got Bill Clinton – thanks to Ross Perot splitting the conservative vote! The Tea Party has only had 1 election, and they cleaned house in the GOP, at least the RINO’s that were up for election. LET THE TEA PARTY FINISH IT’S JOB!
In 2012 the Tea Party will continue to RESTORE the Republican Party to its Conservative roots.
I’d like to see a moderate liberal group take over the Democrats and restore it to the JFK days instead of the Far-Left Socialist Marxists they are today!!
“Ask not what your country can do for You, but what You can do for your Country”… What Democrat talks like that today?? Dems now want a nanny state that buys votes from a base that are broke, stupid and Dependant on the Govt!!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 5:40pm3rd party is the last thing I want Tony. I’m saying if we win in 2012 and nothing significant changes …then it’s time.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 11:12pmRight, they vote for it, Reid replaces it with a thousand pages no one has time to read, ( He swares it’s the same thing but until 2012, and Queen Nancy assures the House, she got a chance to go over it, and it’s just put in better language! ) The two sides try to work out the differences in the 2 bills, but don’t have time so Boehner again tells the Tea Partiers about his line, the Pres signs it and then we discover……???? Is there anything left out of last years 1000 pg bills to throw at us now, except that we’ve become the USSA, with the lower half the nation going back to Mexico and the top half, sumissive to the UN which will FEMA CAMP anyone who protests?
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