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How Bad Is Getting Pepper Sprayed, Really?

Pepper spray has become the scourge of Occupiers across the country, and based on some of the YouTube videos posted, one might think it were some kind of napalm mist.

Occupiers have writhed and screamed in pain on several occasions, most recently at the UC-Davis campus, and there have been many other deployments of it across the country in recent weeks.

So we at the Blaze are asking the question: How bad is getting pepper sprayed?

How Bad Is Getting Pepper Sprayed?

Depends on how much spice is in the sauce, so to speak. The chemical structure of the spray– the amount of capsaicins– determines where it falls on the pepper burn scale, called the Scoville chart. Yes, pepper spray is not just a clever name. It is more properly called Oleoresin Capsicum, or OC spray, because of the presence of capsaicins.

The science behind all this tells us that pepper spray is a far cry from what you might use to season food.

Think of it this way– the pepper spray used by police is stronger than what you can buy for self-defense, and even that leaves the hottest peppers on earth far behind. The hottest natural pepper on earth– the Himalayan Ghost pepper (even sounds scary) or bhut jolokia– doesn’t come close to police OC spray.

Science writer Deborah Blum points out that dosage is the main issue when considering the effects of pepper spray or any other dangerous substance:

 ”the dose makes the poison… we’re not talking about cookery but a potent blast of chemistry.  So that if OC spray is the U.S. police response of choice  – and certainly, it’s been used with dismaying enthusiasm during the Occupy protests nationwide- it may be time to demand a more serious look at the risks involved.”

How Bad Is Getting Pepper Sprayed?

The symptoms of exposure are pretty well know. Pepper spray induces a burning sensation in the eyes, throat, and mucous membranes. In addition, inhalation can cause swelling and closure of the throat, making it difficult to breath. This could pose a risk to people with asthma or other respiratory conditions.

With repeated exposures, studies find, there can be permanent damage to the outer layer of the eye’s cornea, and a host of other health problems have been raised.

How Bad Is Getting Pepper Sprayed?

Bottom line: Pepper spray can range from nasty to truly awful, but it definitely beats a baton cracked on the skull, or bullet shot through the knee.

This incident from a protest at Union Square received international outrage and gave major momentum to the Occupy Wall Street when it was uploaded to youtube. Watch it below:

For a full roundup of pepper spray incidents, rubber bullet shootings, and other nasty but non-lethal police actions against the Occupy mobs, the Atlantic has put it all together for you, just click here.

Comments (203)

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  • Robert999
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:04pm

    Could the police add pepper spray and water boarding as part of their criminal interrogation procedure? I bet they could get a lot more confessions a lot easier if they do.

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    • encinom
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:11pm

      Your post is just more evidence that the Tea Party has no respect of the Constitution.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:18pm

      Are not… Pepper Spray & Water Boarding the same thing… Torture… to Liberals?

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    • AB5r
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:30pm

      Better yet, make it a pepper enema.

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    • JRook
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:33pm

      The cops were out of line and need to worry about the real criminals. Since when is sitting and not moving a crime. But as happened with the Vietnam protests, at some point the police reaction and fascists statements from members of congress with gravitate people to the movement.

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    • ishka4me
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:58pm

      in my years in law enforcement, we used a product called capstun made by zarcon. To qualify to use pepper spary you have to be sprayed with it. It hurts your eyes very bad for over an hour. Feels like thousands of needles poking your eyes. The mouth burning and breathing hurts for a few seconds but is nowhere close to the intese eye pain. It takes the fight out of you. I believe it was put into law enforcement after the tazer failed on rodney king who was on pcp. when you use pepper spray correctly it is 100% effective. Only prblem is the alcohol base carrier agent if expose to flame or spark can cause a flame thrower reaction.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 5:35pm

      Why are people so desperate for a Nazi Police State?

      The FBI already has a 99% conviction rate…I’m sure they could push it to 100% with a little habanero pepper up the nose…

      STOP LICKING BOOTS FOR CHRIST’S SAKE!

      You will be tortured in the way you imagine.

      Research the history of the Brazen Bull, human sacrifices to Moloch (and Bohemian Grove), the Wicker Man, and other flagellations.

      Only a sadomasochistic criminal likes to torture people or thinks its an effective form of confession coercion.

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    • motonutt
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 6:29pm

      It hurts for about 10 mins., then starts to ease. It works very well. I know I’ve been sprayed in order to be certified to use it in my job. We used baby shampoo straight in the eyes while dipping your face in a tub of water. The worst effects were gone withing about 20 mins. although some people are effected by it worse than others.

      Be carful when you take a shower afterward, it will go down to areas that you don’t want to get it on if you know what I mean.

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    • FToth84
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 7:07pm

      Unfortunately, I can vouch for this.
      While trying to defuse a fight outside a nightclub that I used to work @ an officer ran up on everyone without announcing himself and hosed us all down. It S_U_C_K_S…..
      To say the least. I would much rather be tased. O yeah and Do Not! shower standing straight up. Just take my word for it

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    • Peter the great
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 8:39pm

      just maybe they could put some birth control in it too

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    • RabidPatriot
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 9:35pm

      First, these people were not “passively” resisting arrest. Passive resistance is when an arrestee just goes limp and does nothing to resist. These protesters formed a human barricade along a path that they wee asked to leave. They then linked arms to “actively” resist arrest. It is very difficult to get people unlinked when they are seated and using all their strength to not be removed. Using physical force just increases the chance that someone gets a mechanical injury to a finger, arm, wrist, etc..

      In present day law enforcement and military, most pepper spray is now water-based and not oil or alcohol-based.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 11:19pm

      I used to work in an ammunition supply point while I was in the Corps.

      We had one magazine that contained C.S. pellets, which is IMO a hotter mix than your average pepper spray. Most people know it in common parliance as tear gas.

      By the time I got out, I could slap some musrtard on it and eat it for breakfast. Really, it’s all in how accustomed your body becomes to it.

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    • lobster
      Posted on November 22, 2011 at 8:09am

      ENCINOM, you sound just like the guy that snookered my son-in-law out of thousands of dollars on a house remodel. You foolish libs from Encino have been drinking the Kool-Aid for way too long. I can‘t understand how y’all came through the holocaust and still like Fascism/communism.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on November 22, 2011 at 10:08am

      Peter the great

      America doesn’t like Nazi Eugenicists.

      Get out.

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    • Cemoto78
      Posted on November 22, 2011 at 2:29pm

      @JROOK
      You are really clueless. How about I camp out in your driveway and when you call the police and I don’t leave I use your logic, no crime here. You need to update your lack of knowledge of laws. Since when do morons that block a public access, then asked by police to move cause they are blocking access by others and refuse not illegal. Hint: look up trespassing for starters. Also, since when do their rights trump mine?

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 22, 2011 at 3:57pm

      @ LukeR
      [Quote: Are not… Pepper Spray & Water Boarding the same thing… Torture… to Liberals?]

      And to us, torture is having to put up with the flea ******’ OWS protestors.

      The way I see it, they can at least provide me with some entertainment of pepper spray and rubber bullets. The fact remains that they would not have gotten sprayed if they listened to the authorities which are trying to protect the peace.

      FYI… The protestors call these peaceful protests. Well, they are not.
      Definition of PEACEFUL
      1: peaceable
      2: untroubled by conflict, agitation, or commotion : quiet, tranquil
      3: of or relating to a state or time of peace
      4: devoid of violence or force

      They make be non-violent on their part, but the point is to create conflict and agitation of the public and the authorities to incite violence on the opposing side. They are anything but peaceful and are completely in line with treason seeing as the agenda is to cause the collapse of the government and the economy in or to incite chaos and reshape the country into their hearts desire.

      Oh silly Fabian Socialist… Don’t you know we are wise to your ways. Besides, it is 100% within the law for police to use reasonable force to conduct arrests or regain the peace. Pepper spray and nightsticks are legit if you continue to protest on no permits and violate law and rights of other citizens to go to work, school or play. I’m waiting for the sound devices and water cannons. Come Winter the r

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    • TotallyBelievableGuy
      Posted on November 30, 2011 at 12:08am

      @LUKERW

      No, pepper spray and waterboarding are forms of torture for everyone.

      I’ve never been waterboarded, however, I did get pepper sprayed for a demonstration. It was the truest form agony, if you can imagine such a thing.

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  • STS2_SS_Iver
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:01pm

    I was certified to use OCAP while working security on base in the Navy. Training for certification was to be sprayed directly in the face and be able to maintain control of a fake weapon while someone was trying to take it from you.

    The effects were felt within a second – like the worst sunburn imaginable – on your eyeballs. But in about an hour, I was pretty much back to normal. Worst part was way I returned to barracks and had a shower. Trickle down effect very unpleasant.

    Went for spicy Mexican food that night.

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  • Mustangdave
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:01pm

    And I’m suppose to care…WHY?… they’re lucky it s “just” OC spray….and not something worse. I got “gased’ in the military…that was no fun but tolerable…if you’re just gonna sit there in UNITY…learn to LOVE the Spray….idiots

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    • encinom
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 5:27pm

      Cause its is a-okay to gas students peacfully expressing outrage in China and North Korea…oh tight this wasn’t in a dictatorship, it was in the USA where there is a Bill of Rights in place, with Freedoms to Assemble and of Speech.

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    • Lord_Frostwind
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 8:18pm

      And yet we accept that overweight mall cops can hit kids with the stuff for “not respecting their authority.” Next time we’ll just have to break a few limbs to crack the human chain.

      Tear gas, pepper spray and basic close quarters techniques are used quite a bit in the removing demonstrators. Granted, there isn’t enough information to decide whether the action is justified or not, there isn’t any video to the lead up of the incident, and as a rule of thumb I don’t trust hippies who love to play the victim.

      I got hit with the stuff voluntarily as part of a class in high school. If these demonstrators have a fraction of the courage they brag about, they wouldn’t be whining about this.

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    • RossPoldark
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 9:43pm

      If they are gonna play, they’ve gotta pay!

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    • RossPoldark
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 10:02pm

      Lock is Troll. Lock is a Troll. Lock is a Troll. Oops sorry, I got into one of those Ows moronic chanting moments.

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    • NextNyc21148
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 10:07pm

      Straight of the boat from North Korea,eh?

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:52pm

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    How Bad Is Getting Pepper Sprayed, Really?

    Not as bad as having to listen to Mika in that other story……..

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:58pm

      Ok…”How bad is getting pepper sprayed really?”. About as bad as having to smell an OWSer.

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    • CatB
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:02pm

      Should have hosed them down with water …

      TEA!

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:15pm

      “Pepper spray can range from nasty to truly awful, but it definitely beats a baton cracked on the skull, or bullet shot through the knee.”

      So, better than a fractured skull or being shot with hot lead, but dangerous enough to cause lasting harm.

      Honestly, I’m a little disappointed; I thought the author would have tried it himself.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:41pm

      Why have we not heard from PETO ?

      You know…..People for the ethical treatment of OWSERS

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    • LOLReally
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 7:03pm

      It’s not as bad as they make it out to be. I have been sprayed for qualification and they shot a stream of it directly into my open eyes-THAT HURT. Most all of the protesters hid thier faces and held thier breath minimizing any effect. The one guy with glasses in the center took it like a man right in the face then wiped some off his glasses before realizing the worst thing you can do is rub your eyes, but since he didn’t start choking he held his breath too. Law enforcement may carry a stronger mix these days but even the weaker ones put me on the ground. I would rather be sprayed than tazerd or clubed.

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    • Spqr1
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 8:01pm

      CatB: You mean like Bull Connor?

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  • Raisingmy3boysright
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:48pm

    Good grief. All police officers and military cops have to go through all of this themselves when training. No matter what a cop does everyone always thinks they are wrong. If any of you worked in a jail for one day, you would thoroughly realize what an officer goes through on a daily basis. There are names you are called that I bet you didn’t even know was a derogatory name for you ( if you are white there are a hundred different terms for us!) Officers are involved in fights all of the time with inmates and the inmates have the privilege of writing up grievances on an officer for anything and everything. It is totally disturbing since the majority of officers want nothing more than to go to work do their jobs and then go home when it is over. That’s it. They aren’t there to beat people up, yell at anyone, or cause trouble.

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    • TexasWax
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:57pm

      Thump Thump Thump here come the CERT Team with a 50lbs OC Tank …… LOL These fools don’t get it

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:04pm

      “No matter what a cop does everyone always thinks they are wrong. ”

      So true.

      Pretty soon police will only be able to tickle people with a feather to get them to stop an illegal act.

      Shortly thereafter the left will call the brutal & inhumane!

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:58pm

      Six Five

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    • encinom
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:13pm

      Ther eis no excuse for police brutality. Ther is no excuse for the violation of civil rights. The Police officer needs to be arrested for his assault on the students.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:27pm

      encinom

      There is no excuse for disobeying a lawful order from a policeman.

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    • encinom
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 5:22pm

      @Walkabout
      Let me guess you cheered on the police as they attack the civil rights protestors with water canons and dogs. Under your statement there is no excuse for disobeying the police. (of course there is the 1st Amendment rights of free speech and to petition and assemble, but lets not let that get in the way of a facist police state).

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    • corbecket
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 8:27pm

      Yeah, the folks that are making a big deal about being sprayed, have never been sprayed. Yes, it is unpleasant. Yes, it does incapacitate you (and make you compliant which is the point). On the other hand, it is not like having bamboo shoved up under your fingernails, or having your bones broken during an interrogation.

      Hey! If I was a OWS type, trying on some street theater, I’d hype this as much as possible. As to the reality of it, for those that were sprayed…..well the heck with reality. Let’s see what sort of dramatic interpretation we can try to sell to the public.

      As one who’s been sprayed (directly in the eyes), it‘s not really what I’d call “torture”. Certainly, it isn’t anything permanent. Having experienced it, I woujld certainly not sit there and allow it to happen to me. That sort of thing is stictly for the “useful idiots” in the organization. Next time, they won’t be so idiotic.

      Morons!

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  • ColoradoMaverick
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:48pm

    They ought to go ask the useful idiots over at UC how it feels. Maybe they will learn to obey orders next time.

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    • Blackop
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:17pm

      So the students were just sitting there, and a cop comes up and casually sprays them all in the face.
      And you all are alright with that?
      I think most of you are the real ‘useful idiots’, since you will endorse any action, no matter how unwarranted, just to maintian cohesion for your political beliefs.

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    • mizflame98
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:38pm

      @BLACKOP: Yeah, because cops just spray people that are sitting somewhere minding their own business. Note the video isn’t showing what happened before the cop sprayed them with pepper spray. Talk about controlling the message.

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    • ishka4me
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 5:07pm

      the cops didn’t just come up on them. it was a planned use of force on a group active in aggressive non complaince. A lawful order was giving( came from the top) time was allowed. Another lawful order was giving and a 5 minute to disperse or be pepper sprayed was giving. Then when time elapsed. they were sprayed. Text book by the book. This is protocol across the nation.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:47pm

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    The Cops should just Go Old School on them. Batons, Dogs & Water Cannon’s…….

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:59pm

      Why on earth would you want to subject the dogs to the likes of these parasite-infested, disease-ridden heathens??? At a minimum, they’ll give the dogs fleas, for crying out loud! Think, man, think!! :)

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    • Harry Assenback
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:04pm

      I’m still waiting for the Unemployed Seal Clubbers to show up. One hit knockouts from these guys!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:05pm

      Harry Assenback & Biohazard23

      Too funny!

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    • Sniper342
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 7:59pm

      That’s what these idiots like black ops and em icon want. Then they can yell and scream about police brutality. These cops are in a no win situation when dealing with this occupy trash, and they followed the use of force continuum to the letter. Deal with it people. Follow directions or you get sprayed. If you choose to break the law you must be prepared to suffer the consequences.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:40pm

    Better to be sprayed with pepper than sprayed with lead,better yet comply with a lawful order and your eyes won’t burn.I know it’s complicated but focus on what the cop is saying,if it‘s a lawful order follow it and you won’t get pepper sprayed,but you’ll still be stinky.

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:53pm

      Better yet to simply arrest them if the police are not in danger. Students sitting on the ground with locked arms = clear and present danger, amirite?

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:02pm

      You know why you didn’t see any tea party protesters being pepper sprayed? They did their protest within the limits of the law and still got their message out.But that won’t work with wannabe commies, no they want to be pepper sprayed and even better get bloodied up real good for the cameras to show just how oppressed they are.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:21pm

      Locked

      People pretty much had enough of illegal marches, blocking of streets, buildings & everything else.
      They could march every week like the mothers did in Argentina, legally or illegally.. They could but they won’t. Instead they have to push a consistent astroturf message of their organizers from ACCE & others.

      Glenn Beck was saying that October would see a lot of unrest. How did he know? Because we have moles on that get the emails & sit on phone conferences of the left (Just like the left does). So more than 6 months before the staged unrest, GB’s listeners knew it was coming. So excuse us if we don‘t give deference to the left’s stage play & play Simon says with the OWS as Simon.

      Meanwhile all the left does is elect or try to elect the likes of John Kerry, Al Gore, John Edwards, Bill Clinton. These are Democrats, who rake in tens of millions if not a 100+ million.

      The writer of the column linked below has a valid point. but we all know that this wasn’t going to be the last side walk, building or road blocked by these people. It would only escalate.

      http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/danieljmitchell/2011/11/21/in_semi-defense_of_ows_protesters

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    • A Conservatarian
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:35pm

      I’ve asked this elsewhere and still no one has anything to say against it: Why don’t they pick the kids up, handcuff them and put them in the paddy wagons? If the kids resist, beat the ever loving hell out of them, then throw them in the paddy wagon. Non-compliance is not resisting. Personally, I’d rather be hit in the face and have my nose broken (again) or blasted by a fire hose, than take a hit of pepper spray. Anytime an officer is faced by someone resisting them, yes you see them break out the tazers, the firearms, etc. but not moving and posing no threat? I don’t like these OWS nuts, but I’d rather the officers handle this situation better and not give the far left all the ammo they need to cry foul.

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    • Magic Matt
      Posted on November 22, 2011 at 10:15am

      @ A Conservatarian “I’ve asked this elsewhere and still no one has anything to say against it: Why don’t they pick the kids up, handcuff them and put them in the paddy wagons.”

      Why is because it requires a lot of force and pain compliance to break up a group who is actively resisting by locking arms the way the protesters are “trained” to do. The likelihood of causing serious injury (broken bones, dislocated joints, ect) to the suspect and/or officers is very high. The OC Spray causes temporary pain and irritation for 20/30mins and then decreasing for another hour, and no lasting effects. A broken collarbone or dislocated wrist will take months to heal.

      (I would rather be tased than sprayed as that last only a few seconds, but police have been hammered for tasing arrestees, which they went to because they got hammered for using PR24 batons…)

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  • Leperus
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:40pm

    Its weird to see all of these “libertarians” and “freedom-loving” people cheering on oppression and brutality by the state. I guess Glenn isn’t “libertarian” anymore.

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    • sawbuck
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:45pm

      You ever notice , when a wacko goes off at a tea-party event the “liberal media” quickly tries to boilerplate the entire group as whacko’s. They keep telling their audience their all the same . But when some nut-job that has a posse with them, with the same mind-set , they are in no way affiliated with the entire movement . The news outlets keep trying to put lipstick on this pig to no avail . Poetic Justice would be, for all these upper echelon purpose driven Marxist socialist fascist communistic bastards, to be locked arm n arm with the useful idiot commoners. When the proverbial shiot hit’s the fan, and the military/police switch over from rubber coated to live rounds. But you watch
      They almost know ahead of time ,when not to be in the crowd. Almost like they have been warned ahead of time.
      Then will see them on some media out-let, spewing out some twisted viewpoint ,that I can only compare to bull -shiot. They think we don’t remember the “Rodney King Incident”. It took only one black man to get his ass beat, that turned a city upside down . This situation we have now is only going to get worse. The college pepper spray incident ,is a great example ,of how our country will be divided. Look at how many opinions that differed ,on that issued ,here on the blaze alone. And being there are evil forces at work to perpetuate this outcome , to expedite the demise of this Once Great Nation …
      CONTINUE..

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    • sawbuck
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:47pm

      CONTINUED..

      The bottom-up technique , has been proven to work in Dictatorships past. And the completion of
      making the citizens of our precious United States ,ignorant to history , has been a total success
      And unfortunately we will be DOOMED to repeat it.
      When the dust settles ,will it be Hitler ;Chairman Moa: Stalin ; Or a George Washington.?
      Will it be the USA OR the USSA ?
      God only knows.

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    • OhioRifleman
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:48pm

      In what fashion is disobeying a law enforcement officer some form of legal right? Especially when said LEO is enforcing a law that is being broken at that time.

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    • VISITORNUMBER3
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:53pm

      Yeah, next thing you know these “libertarians” might threaten to use a molotov cocktail on a department store like that other guy….oh, wait…ummm…that was OWS,,,,sorry…

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:53pm

      Ok LEPERUS…tell me why we should continue to tolerate the perpetual law breaking, interruptions, health hazards and chaos of OWS?

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:55pm

      Oppression and brutality? Hahahahahaha that’s offensive,oppression and brutality is listening to a speech by our Marxist president or the dry drunk Biden.Hearing Pelosi speak on television is brutality and oppression.

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    • Leperus
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:30pm

      They are sitting on the ground. STEP OVER THEM and IGONRE THEM. Protest, freedom to gather, and freedom of speech are part of our freedoms guarenteed by the Constitution. No one here is hurting anyone or destroying private property. They are sitting on walkway. The pepper spray is a statist reaction to folks exercising a right. You may not agree with what they are saying, but they have the right to say it.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:36pm

      Really LEPERUS…..they were told to pack up and leave..they refused to leave. Just ignore them right? We tried ignoring them in Zuccotti Park too..we got rapes, public defecation and urination, property destroyed a death or two, then a temper tantrum when Bloomberg finally got enough pressure on him to disperse the ILLEGAL campers. Sure they have a right to protest. and private and public officials have a right to disperse them where required also. Did you forget that champ?

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    • Leperus
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:37pm

      Why not arrest people when you can assault them THEN arrest them?? #PoliceStateLogic

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:57pm

      Why not arrest them LEPERUS? So you’re up on crowd control training are you?

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    • Leperus
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:26pm

      If they broke the law, then arrest them. I saw no reason to use pepper spray. I guess dragging them away might acutally mean getting some cardio and using your muscles. Pepper spray is SO much less physically taxing.

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    • KMA too
      Posted on November 22, 2011 at 2:20pm

      It’s so tiresome to see the vomitous self-righteousness of Leperus and his ilk going off on the use of force by police. Last time I checked (which was recently), Libertarians aren’t against use of force by LE…so long as it’s called for. And if they were resisting a legal, lawful order from the officers, officers are allowed to advance the force continuum. Also, you are, by your statements, woefully ignorant/stupid when it comes to arrest mechanics, and you should educate yourself before spout off. Honestly, you sound just like those dopes who ask, “Why don‘t the cops just shoot the gun out of the criminal’s hand?”.

      Rule of law means we have to follow the law. At no point were any of those women kept from exercising their rights. In fact, it was time for them to move on, or to do it in another fashion. they were disruptive, and I’m sure you are familiar with the old “your right to swing your fists ends at the end of my nose”. And it’s quite interesting that you anti-LE types b*tch so loudly about the First Amendment, but nary a word on the Fifth. You know…Due Process? It’s a P-r-o-c-e-s-s.

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  • Ghandi was a Republican
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:40pm

    I wonder what happens if you were to spray them with Holy Water?

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  • KickinBack
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:38pm

    lol at the second pic! I’d almost feel bad for the chic, but she is pawn after all.

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  • garyM
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:36pm

    You can ask any police officer that goes through the academy in my state, My daughter is a police lady and she had to get sprayed and resist while it was going on, she also was required to take a shot from the stun gun before she could have one to use. These people who grip about all this stuff don’t know squat. When I was in the military I went through many things much worse than water boarding as training or any pepper spray the policemen use! They are IDIOTS!

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:43pm

      “When I was in the military I went through many things much worse than water boarding as training or any pepper spray the policemen use! ”

      You were waterboarded and peppersprayed during training? The entire point of this article was many people don’t realize how dangerous and painful pepperspray is unless they go through it themselves. Assuming you read the article, your comment implies you tried both of these first-hand. Or… you just did exactly what the article said, and assume it’s not nearly as bad as people make them out to be.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:38pm

      Locked

      Maybe the whole point is that once a demonstrator gets pepper sprayed, they never disobey a lawful order again. Instead the get the paperwork for a march, they go to court, they back a political candidate, etc, etc.

      That is horrible is it not? Getting paperwork, taking rime to fund raise & campaign for candidate. why that sounds a lot like work!

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:49pm

      “Maybe the whole point is that once a demonstrator gets pepper sprayed, they never disobey a lawful order again.”

      I would love to see your citation for this; I’m thinking you have a study to back it up? You’re saying that “an arrest is not enough to deter crimes; we must inflict pain (with potentially lasting effects according to this article) or they won’t learn from their mistakes.” I’m a little freaked out by that. I mean, I could see them joining politics to outlaw the use of pepperspray (kinda like how John McCain is one of the few Republicans against waterboarding who are actually been waterboarded), but I’m not sure how much injury you would feel is appropriate to turn someone from a “bad” path to a “good” one.

      Oddly, some people think additional education, prayer, and guidance is the best way to help someone find the right path, and that violent overreaction breeds more violent overreactions. You may not be one of them?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:33pm

      Locked

      Why should an officer dislocate a disk in his or her back trying to lift a student & then carry them to a squad car? the protesters linked arms. That would make lifting awkward. There is a high potential for a police officer to suffer a back injury. But that is okay in your book.

      The protesters were given more than 1 warning. How many warning do they need? 15,735,458?

      Just because some thing is a public space does not mean that it can be used in anyway at any time.

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  • biohazard23
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:36pm

    Whiners, all of them. Now go take that bath!!

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  • HellPhish89
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:33pm

    oc spray isnt going to kill you. it isnt “poison”. =|

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:32pm

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    By the looks of it, I think I‘ve eat’en Hotter Crawfish…………

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  • Charles321123
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:32pm

    Little known fact: Cops get pepper sprayed when being trained to use it. How do I know? Went through the process myself. It’s not so bad.

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  • ENTITLEMENTSBLOW
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:31pm

    Its usually best to just listen to the Police.

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  • Harry Assenback
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:29pm

    ……………….It does make for Great Entertainment though!

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  • SychinLegacy
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:28pm

    Seems pretty easy to me. When the police tell you to move or get pepper sprayed, maybe you should move. Then your eyes and throat won’t burn horribly.

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    • cemerius
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:33pm

      Makes too much sense! There are ways to lawfully protest but when the police start clearing you out you have crossed that lawful right……Open mouth and enhale deeply= writhing on ground for the amusement of the youtube masses ha ha ha ha PRICELESS!

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  • Harry Assenback
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:27pm

    Not sure……..I usually listen to the Police and obey the law. Silly Huh???

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  • cemerius
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:26pm

    Like an extra hot burrito with habenero chunks…..

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  • Obama Snake Oil Co
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:26pm

    Tase them. All it will take is one blast to make the new wake up for the ********. Don’t tase me bro….

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    • cemerius
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:31pm

      Water Cannons! Why do the Europeans have the cool stuff?

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    • OhioRifleman
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:45pm

      @ Cemerius: We don’t use the water cannons because they have been deemed synonymous with the Civil Rights Struggle of the 60s. Personally I think it would be a hellishly effective tactic, but we can’t offend the sensibilities of the public at large, so…

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  • grudgywoof
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:26pm

    If the police tell you to move and you don‘t it’s called obstructing. Thats not an new NWO concept it’s called the law. If you don’t then you get pepper sprayed until you do. Then you get arrested and charged. Ok what am I missing here….they wash off and go back to being stupid smelly morons, it’s not like in Egypt where they are clubing people to death. Take a shower and cool off OWS protesters.

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  • crackerone
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:25pm

    Bottom line: Pepper spray can range from nasty to truly awful, but it definitely beats a baton cracked on the skull, or bullet shot through the knee.

    How about all of the above!!

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  • demint.disciple
    Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:23pm

    LOL @ Occupiers have writhed and screamed in pain on several occasion… hahahaa..

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    • cemerius
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:30pm

      Yes…quite amusing I had to rewind a couple times LOL

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:51pm

      And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have the native species “homosapien sadisticus,” in their nature environment of the online comments section. Watch with rapt attention as they cackle while watching pain being repeatedly inflicted upon fellow citizens of the United States. Note as well, how many Islamic fundamentalists are members of this same species. The “sadists,” as they are commonly labeled, hold no feelings of empathy for their fellow man, but rather revel in his pain. Anthropologists believe to be because of deep-seated emotion trauma during childhood and/or chemical imbalances caused by genetic mutations. The condition is, at this time, inoperable, and these individuals are doomed to be sad husks of humans for the remainder of their lives.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 2:55pm

      The first thing I’d do if I was sprayed in the eyes would be to rub my eyes, not wail and reach around like a blind woman. Good acting job, though.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:19pm

      Really LOCKED? So when OWS causes businesses to lay off workers because they stifled business, prevent workers from getting to their jobs, defecate and urinate on peoples’ property, destroy peoples’ property, throw molotov cocktails, spray graffiti, throw acidic liquids in cops’ faces…that kind of hurt you endorse…it’s just pepper spray that gets your lefty sensibilties in a tizzy? In short…OWS gets a pass from you for their deplorable behaviour no matter what..yes?

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:27pm

      In his comment, Avengerk once again goes off the deep-end. Take your meds, sparky. Keep in mind you’re attempting to defend (well, technically deflect attention from) people who laugh and rewatch their fellow citizens screaming in pain. If you’re ok with that… oh who are we kidding, of course you are :-) You care nothing for others unless they line up with whatever line you’re toeing.

      I personally have no issue pointing out that people who enjoying watching others in pain are not people I would associate with nor defend. Apparently you do!

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:33pm

      Oh, and when did I pass on saying OWS is a pointless movement doing more harm than good? Never. I think the Tea Party has been much more successful and the protesters would do well to take a page from their book and channel their anger into politics if they want to make a difference.

      Doesn‘t change the fact that you’re defending sadists. Or perhaps are one? After all, it’s “just pepperspray.” They’re just screaming. And you’re posting in an article that talks about how it can cause permanent damage to people who get sprayed with it; kinda odd when even The Blaze is coming out and saying “this is so much worse than just pepper, or even what civilians can buy” and yet you’re still supporting it. Come on, admit it: you rewatch the videos of protesters screaming and crying too. It’s ok, you‘re in good company with the folks you’re backing up! ;-)

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:41pm

      Locked

      No sadistic people are those that want raise taxes on my spouse & I after we worked 4 jobs to get where we have gotten, because they are lazy.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:52pm

      Let me make it very clear for you LOCKED..I have no problem with the use of pepper spray after these clowns were repeatedly told to leave and refused to. Sweet talking them clearly doesn’t work. Ignoring them leads to further chaos. We’ve seen this played out time and time again with OWS. Your buddy Van Jones is making sure the “leaderless” OWSers..sorry he says we should use “99%” now..do attempt to get a political arm..while continuing their tactics of disruption, property destruction and “occupation”. Yeah…that should gain them a lot of seats in congress.
      Let’s see…Tea Parties stand for lower taxation. fiscal discipline, less government and adherence to the constituion. OWS stands for “free” stuff , more government, higher taxation, higher spending while disrupting businesses, peoples’ neighbourhoods and incurring higher costs for the cities they infest. Did you really think you had some kind of argument LOCKED?

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 3:53pm

      So you‘re saying it’s not sadistic to rewatch people screaming in pain for kicks and giggles? Which, again, is what was originally said and you are trying oh-so-hard to not admit to defending. It seems like you wanted to go after me for some reason, without even stopping to think that “Oh, actually, that is really sick.”

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 4:13pm

      Oh I see what you mean LOCKED..if you watched the footage once you’re absolved from the “sadist” label (like yourself of course) that you‘re imposing but if you watch the footage more than once then you’re a sadist? Do you have some kind of chart or meter that determines this “sadism” that you’re so concerned about. Two viewings..mild stimulation pehaps? Three, four..heck.. ten viewings ..bordering on De Sade-esque levels no doubt? And what does this pious “sadist” gauge you employ (you’ll allow me the use of the word “employ” in the context of OWS?) say about crowds that refuse to disperse and ask for the confrontations? Should counsellors have been brought in? Police negotiators perhaps? A fueled plane and a bag of cash (taken from those awful one percenters of course..natch)?

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 21, 2011 at 5:09pm

      Ah Avenger, you silly troll :-) If you think watching videos of people screaming in pain is funny or humorous, you’re sadistic. Just admit it: you like it too! I mean, you keep running around without actually coming out and saying it, but that‘s you being unable to admit you’re wrong. Or perhaps you do? Not sure, you won’t answer. Are you afraid to admit it?

      Walkabout

      That’s fine if you watch it for evidence. As did I.

      And neither of the original two posters did. They found it funny and enjoyable, and/or rewatched it because it was “hilarious.” Welcome to sadism. The rest of your post is doing what Avenger is doing: completely deflecting.

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    • nocode73
      Posted on November 22, 2011 at 1:21pm

      what i want to know is, since they enjoy repeating themselves so much (the infamous ‘human microphone’) why didn’t the whole crowd fall to the ground and scream in agony?? would have made the video vastly more enjoyable lol

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