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Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry Accused of Being Radical Evangelicals

Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann

A new Daily Beast article by Michelle Goldberg claims that both Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann and Texas Gov. Rick Perry have ties to a “fringe” Evangelical movement seeking world domination. Yes, I’m being serious here.

Goldberg contends that both GOP presidential candidates are part of a movement called ‘Dominionism.” She writes:

Put simply, Dominionism means that Christians have a God-given right to rule all earthly institutions. Originating among some of America’s most radical theocrats, it’s long had an influence on religious-right education and political organizing. But because it seems so outré, getting ordinary people to take it seriously can be difficult. Most writers, myself included, who explore it have been called paranoid.

Sounding the alarm on what she sees as “the most theocratic Republican field in American history,” Goldberg draws some curious comparisons. For one, she attempts to tie radical Islam to Dominionism, which, in turn, ties the beliefs underpinning both Bachmann and Perry’s worldview to rabid levels of extremism:

Think of it like political Islamism, which shapes the activism of a number of antagonistic fundamentalist movements, from Sunni Wahabis in the Arab world to Shiite fundamentalists in Iran.

Below, watch Goldberg explain Bachmann’s take on Christianity and governance:

Goldberg goes on to explain that Dominionism comes from a fringe sect called Christian Reconstructionism. This small, extremist religious formation was founded by R.J. Rushdoony, a Calvanist theologian, back in the 1960s.

According to Goldberg, Reconstructionism advocates for replacing some elements of American government with Old Testament law. This, of course, would include imposing the death penalty for homosexuals, those who shave abortions and people who abandon Christianity, among other extremities. Indeed, these beliefs do sound more along the lines of radical Islam. In a 1998 issue of Reason Magazine, Walter Olson explains these issues in greater detail:

Those who would face execution include not only gays but a very long list of others: blasphemers, heretics, apostate Christians, people who cursed or struck their parents, females guilty of “unchastity before marriage,“ ”incorrigible” juvenile delinquents, adulterers, and (probably) telephone psychics. And that’s to say nothing of murderers and those guilty of raping married women or “betrothed virgins.” Adulterers, among others, might meet their doom by being publicly stoned–a rather abrupt way for the Clinton presidency to end.

This movement is clearly not within the mainstream of Christian America. Nonetheless, following her description of it, Goldberg begins to tie both Bachmann and Perry to Reconstructionism. When discussing Bachmann’s alleged ties, Goldberg writes:

She often praises the Christian nationalist historian David Barton, who is intimately associated with the Christian Reconstructionist movement; an article about slavery on the website of his organization, Wallbuilders, defends the institution’s biblical basis, with extensive citations of Rushdoony.

But, this same webpage that Goldberg references explains that “involuntary servitude is not Biblical.” In fact, Barton goes to great lengths to speak against pre-Civil War slavery. Rather than “defend” the institution, he discusses its Biblical mentions and explores them in detail. Here, Goldberg is misleading and, without a link, readers must research on their own to find the truth.

Goldberg also charges Bachmann with espousing the idea that Americans should only pay a 10 percent tax rate, a belief Goldberg says is “common in Reconstructionist circles.” This accusation comes from the congresswoman’s appearance in a Truth in Action Ministries documentary called, “Socialism: A Clear and Present Danger.” Bachmann’s words in the clip were as follows:

“What Jesus said, ‘Render to Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and render unto God that which is God’s,’ so there certainly is a place for us to pay taxes to government. That’s legitimate. We should do that as Jesus instructs. But we render to God that which is God’s and the Bible calls for, approximately we are thinking of tithe, maybe 10 percent that we are giving to God, but beyond that we also give to charity. Jesus didn’t ask government to be the charity; he asks the the individual and the church to be charitable.”

Certainly, it is possible that Bachmann may be advocating a 10 percent tax rate here, but there is some ambiguity held within her words. This commentary is more about the government not serving as charity than it is a call for a set tax rate. A more concrete set of ideals will become evident as her campaign progresses.

Of course, Goldberg is not the first to question Bachmann’s views on slavery, among other issues. And, on issues like her endorsement of the purportedly racist book “Call of Duty: The Sterling Nobility of Robert E. Lee,” the presidential contendor may have some explaining to do. Thus far, an explanation has not been given as to why this book was posted under a “must-read” list she endorsed. Still, some of Goldberg’s claims are a bit of a stretch.

She continues her writing by focusing upon similar details as they pertain to Perry and his ties to the Christian Reconstructionism movement. She writes:

Perry tends to be regarded as marginally more reasonable than Bachmann, but he is as closely associated with Dominionism as she is, though his links are to a different strain of the ideology.

Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry Accused of Being Radical EvangelicalsHere, she focuses upon the “Seven Mountains of society” — family, religion, arts and entertainment, media, government, education, and business. Goldberg insinuates that those close to Perry are seeking to “infiltrate” the government (as well as these other spheres of influence) and to then control every core aspect of it. But, is that a fair assessment?

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with discussing this movement and educating Americans about its existence. But, tying candidates to its fray without conclusive data, while urging Islamist comparisons seems a bit dangerous and journalistically irresponsible. Furthermore, it is important to recognize that all ideological groups seek to take part in spheres of influence — not just Christians.

While the Christian Reconstructist movement, itself, if concerning in its most extreme forms (i.e. the death penalty for homosexuals and the like), the involvement of Christians at all levels of society, especially government, isn’t a new concept. Of course, Christians wish to have their voices heard in government. But, Goldberg would be hard-pressed to find any candidates embracing the extreme ideals held among strict Christian Reconstructists.

This attempt at tying these candidates to such extremism is premature and the answers to these questions could easily be satisfied by asking the candidates themselves rather than issuing wild postulations.

Comments (286)

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  • poverty.sucks
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:53pm

    God doesn’t command us to rule over institutions. If anything, serve those who serve Him. If anyone is after world domination, it’s your choice to waste your time and money on them.

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:11pm

      This author is insane. Jesus said to spead his word throughout the world. He never said cut their heads off if they didn’t believe in Him. Comparing Christianity to Islam is really, really over the top. Someone get a straight jack for the author.

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    • 1TrueOne55
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:08pm

      This so called Author sounds very similar to Demonology adherents that find a Demon under every blade of grass or behind every tree. She needs an intervention.

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    • ScreaminEagle
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:16pm

      I think these eggheads are running out of original subject matter to opine about so they make up some of the most outrageous BS just to get noticed. Who the H*ll is Michelle Goldberg?

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:18pm

      The author is just trying to increase her sales and market value by presenting a controversial slant.

      Entertainers have done this quite effectively to boost TV ratings, Cable fees, and Website hits.

      Nothing personal, just plain business.

      TEA

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:30pm

      Really? Seriously?

      I guess they know in 2012 they are gonna get their a$$es kicked again. Im ashamed of these people who inhabit this country with no decency, no proof of charge, and no standard of truth.

      This is why I am not a liberal. Those of you who are im sure your momma’s proud.

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    • Hiswill
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 6:45pm

      Obama hired her.

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    • An AmericanMom
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 6:45pm

      Goldberg is a nutjob…..who would lick a trash can lid in order to sell books!

      Trash talking troll doll…

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 7:23pm

      BE AWARE people, that ISLAM is trying to connect to Christianity…in connecting with various (rudderless) churches…calling is CHRISLAM (I’m serious)… trying to make JESUS equal to some guy of theirs.

      JESUS said: RENDER UNTO CAESAR what is CAESERS and unto GOD what is GODS. First of all, GOD owns it all and knows it. HE doesn’t want slaves as friends, he wants people who believe in him. He doesn’t need to kill people to make them come to him. HE is our FATHER.

      I am always suspect of anyone who’s first words are: I am a CHRISTIAN or I believe in GOD. IF you really do, your actions say it for you. I love talking about my Savior but I think that the Political Podium doesn‘t need to become the Preacher’s Podium. We have many problems to solve and a true person of GOD knows how to do that…they know because they have studied GOD’S amazing “how-to book, some people call it the BIBLE”… and they know their own convictions…THEY can stand on them and don’t need to flaunt them, like Bachmann’s 23 FOSTER KIDS… she is fooling no one with that. YES I believe in ONE GOD. And his only son JESUS. YES I know he is under attack but so what…? He is always under attack. I also know that this is ALL his, me included…so I don’t need to defend HIM…I do want people to know the truth…because (all together:) The TRUTH SETS US FREE. :) TALK ABOUT ISSUES, CANDIDATES…you don’t impress anyone by preaching.

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 8:41pm

      I haven’t read or seen Perry or Bachman saying anything like “you must be christian or else”.
      Just because someone discusses their particular faith or participates in a faith based event does not mean they want or intend to force it upon everyone else.

      The only people I’ve seen who want to force everyone else into their beliefs are the Liberals.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 9:00pm

      Goldberg? Of Jewish descent is she? Well, the Bible does state that not everyone born of Israel, is of Israel. If she is from Israel, then I suppose she must like the murdering muslims. If from here, she knows very well that Christians do not go by the old Jewish laws. When Jesus came, he made a new covenant with His people, Gentiles were accepted and grafted in. Jesus Christ told us how to treat others and He lived the Law. He is the Word. Maybe Ms Goldberg would do well to check out the New Testament. It appears that she doesn’t have any idea what she is talking about. Our Constitution was built on the laws of God, God’s law teaches us right from wrong, and in our hearts, we know it is true, Of course, maybe Ms. Golsdberg is just trying to make a buck, but I certainly wouldn’t want to be standing in her shoes on judgment day.

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    • Tim Law
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 9:26pm

      Wow I thought I’d heard it all, but this one takes the cake. They said this election was going to get ugly, but if this is the kind of stuff that’s going to be spewed around. But then why should the left start using truth or facts now? Things like this show’s us just how far this country has fallen.

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    • MadMelly
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 10:06pm

      Looks to me like this author has hit a nerve, perhaps because she has told the truth and some people just can’t handle the truth. Bachmann said she was inspired to get into politics after watching a series of films by the evangelist and theologian Francis Schaeffer called “How Should We Then Live?” Francis Schaeffer was a Reconstructionist. The son of Francis Schaeffer, Frank Schaeffer, who has since left the movement wrote this article about Michelle Bachmann and how she was influenced by his father, who advocated Dominionism. http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/151960/michele_bachmann_was_inspired_by_my_dad_and_his_christian_reconstructionist_friends_–_here's_why_that's_terrifying/?page=1 In fact, Bachmann asked a crowd in Iowa once if they had watched the film “How Should We Then Live?“ and said ”That also was another profound influence on Marcus’s life and my life.” There’s ample evidence to show Bachmann is a believer in Reconstructionism & Dominionism. In 2005, she was asked what books she read lately, one she said was “Total Truth” by Nancy Pearcey, which Bachmann called “a wonderful book.” Nancy Pearcey is a former student of and one of the leading proponents of Schaeffer’s version of Dominionism.

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    • Steve
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 10:26pm

      Hit a nerve. lol…….

      This entire story reeks of BS dug up and fabricated by throwing it against the wall and hoping something sticks.

      The marxist left are scared as to the way this country is moving BACK towards the values found in the Christian writings of our founders and the Christian precepts found in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

      Marxist based Black Liberation Theology just doesn’t do it for non racist American loving people.

      Nice try but we read Alinsky and Marx.

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    • Grey Eagle
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 10:52pm

      Agree that this author is a loon.. Obvious Liberal trying to discredit GOP front runners. I will ignore her and suggest that others do too.

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    • Aviyah
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 11:04pm

      Well MADMELLIE,

      ‘Total Truth’ sounds a lot less alarming than Saul Alinsky’s ode to Lucifer, which you all didn‘t give a damn about and poo pooed as silliness when it was pointed out as one of Obummer’s all time favorites. Now Bachman and Perry are suspect though because of a book they might have read???

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    • woodyb
      Posted on August 16, 2011 at 12:08am

      @ SCREAMINEAGLE –

      Perhaps a pen-name for Michelle Odumbo?????????

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 16, 2011 at 6:58am

      @PATTY HENRY Do you know the names of the rudderless churches connecting to Islam.?..Because one church I didn’t think was rudderless, but it has been on the Blaze lately about how they are allowing homosexual preachers and they stand with Pakistan against Israel. So I am thinking that they have already aligned themselves with Islam.

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    • Lonescrapper
      Posted on August 16, 2011 at 7:17am

      But I thought they were pro Islamic state…

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    • old white guy
      Posted on August 16, 2011 at 7:25am

      goldberg. just another mental midget lacking critical analysis skills.

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    • ezravan
      Posted on August 16, 2011 at 10:56am

      I’d say Christians and islam in this one respect are pretty close. Islam believes only peace will come when the whole world is ruled by the koran. (most) Christians believe that the world will be a better place (peace maybe) if ruled by the bible. Otherwise, they are totally different.

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    • Cato_Va
      Posted on August 16, 2011 at 12:40pm

      Just google New Apostolic Reformation and Rick Perry…as GB says, research it for yourself…

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  • Pete
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:52pm

    those who shave abortions?

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    • Conservitive Ticker
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:35pm

      Very new, latest technology.. I always knew they’d find a better use for nose hair trimmers.

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    • rixtar99
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 8:31pm

      i do believe it’s a typo – those who have abortions

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  • NJONY
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:45pm

    This reporter says that Backman and Perry desire to control the US Government, is that any different from Obama. He is already trying to control every aspect of our lives. We want the government returned to the founding principles and return of the power to the people.

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    • saranda
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:52pm

      Read a little or alot about the New Apostolic Reformation. Seven pillars of society, Texas as a “prophet state”, etc. This might be a fringe movement but they were well represented at The Response. Dominionism sounds to me like what my ancestors left England to avoid.
      Perry’s ties to this group is not hard to see.

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    • psst
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:05pm

      Really! people like these are really intelligent. Honest, they are. Marxists know they are spewing llub tihs.
      What they understand ,that at this present time ,a large %age of the population have been totally indoctrinated and will believe anything and everything they are told to believe
      The publiK sKrool teachers/unions have already punched out the holes in the noses of millions of lemmings,(and continues to do so as we speak) then the radical universities have already inserted the ropes.
      For the ones who dropped out of highschools, it does not matter, they were not in need of indoctrinating, they were already stupid. Ya can’t dumb down stupidity.As Soetero the marxist would say, they were born stupidly.
      A marxist Jew like this woman is just getting her lemmings fired up to hate people who/whom they are told wants to enslave them.
      The rich irony: The idiots are already slaves,but they are so ignorantly stupid, they haven’t the slight clue they are.

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    • HKS
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:06pm

      Looking for radical Islam, start at the white house, this guy is rebuilding mosques all over the world at your expense. Bet you haven’t heard that on NBC.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:10pm

      @saranda

      Then list a couple.

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    • TOMSERVO
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:19pm

      @ PSST, “this woman is just getting her lemmings fired up to hate people who/whom they are told wants to enslave them.”

      Yes, unlike the authors of this website, who would never do anything like that.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:39pm

      Bachmann, Perry and their supporters look to transform the nation to a christian taleban theocracy. Perry’s pray event, with fringe christian groups (when the preacher condems the Statue of Liberty, the Catholic Church and Oprah you are fringe) or Bachmann’s tax payer funded psuedo science clinic attempting to cure “gayness” are proof of how extreme these idiots are.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:45pm

      Let’s not be too hard on Michele, she threw her Church away already, and cannot be held responsible for anything they did or taught for 20 years. She and marcus do not go to church anymore, no church is worthy.

      TEA

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:51pm

      Do not Criticize Rick, he is actually an evangelical Methodist, so he is not a real thing Christian, but pretty close.

      Methodists cannot be criticized for religious errors like actual, really Christian Baptists can be. It would be like criticizing children for not being mature.

      TEA

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:21pm

      A Christian Taliban? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
      Told you, entertainment.

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    • saranda
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:39pm

      @Jaycen – I’ll bite. How about his attendance, nay participation in The Response in which no less than 8 speakers were/are connected to the NAR. How about that Perry’s remarks included passage from the Book of Joel which is central to the NAR. “Joel’s Army” is a phrase used by NAR to describe what they look to build. I won’t add more as you should do your own homework.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:43pm

      The statue of liberty is a false idol if it is considered to be placed before God as our national symbol.
      The Catholic church is a cult, which we have gone over here in great detail in the past.
      Ophra is dead wrong in thinking that there are thousands of ways to heaven, unless her idea of heaven is the same as the muslims….which is really hell.
      Methodists follow the method of an ideology and not what Jesus taught us to.

      There is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Savior.
      The Church that is in the Bible is the Body of Christ, those that believe, follow and obey Him.
      Church splits are caused by demons infecting members and the old divide and conquer trick.

      Denomination worship is completely against the Bible and Paul warned of this here,1 Corinthians 1:11-13

      King James Version (KJV)

      11For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

      12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

      13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

      “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
      John 14:5-7
      Please read and get to know the Bible before commenting on it. I have been a false teacher myself.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:48pm

      This is all besides the fact that these people have progressivism in their pasts.
      That is not a good thing at all.
      So in all seriousness here the author was not really that far off in comparing these two to another group that is bent on destroying America the way we know it.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 5:03pm

      GIDEON612
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:43pm
      The statue of liberty is a false idol if it is considered to be placed before God as our national symbol.
      The Catholic church is a cult, which we have gone over here in great detail in the past.
      Ophra is dead wrong in thinking that there are thousands of ways to heaven, unless her idea of heaven is the same as the muslims….which is really hell.
      Methodists follow the method of an ideology and not what Jesus taught us to.
      ______________________________________________________________________
      Thanks Gideon for proving just how ignorant and bigotted Beckerheads are. Really, I guess you don;t have the American Flag or any other symbols in your house, even the cross is a graven image. To bad the majority of christians disagree with your bigotted opinion of catholics.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 6:32pm

      @encinom

      Hello my friend. Have not spoke with you for a while now. I am truly sorry for you and will pray that God removes your hatred. When we are blinded by hate we cannot see the forest for the trees.

      I know. I was once there as you are. I was one of satans cheerleaders too, for a season.
      My eyes have been opened and now I can see clearly.

      I wish you all the best my friend.

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    • donaldchar
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 9:57pm

      If Bachmann and Perry “want to control the US government,” they sure haven’t indicated so; rather, they emphatically want to do what you finished with, to greatly reduce the size of government and its intrusive interference with our lives, to bring it back to “government of, by, and for the people,” not the ilk of the deeply deceived constitution-disdainers in D.C.

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    • Steve
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 10:30pm

      encinom = Clown troll

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 11:36pm

      @HKS Yes…I got the e-mails in droves about his spending what was it 750 million to refurbish Mosques in the Middle East., along with that 3.5 Billion to Pakistan each year. He is truly a wonderful muslim.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on August 16, 2011 at 7:05am

      YOU are SOo right. And I add Barry Soetoro aka Barak Hussein Obama II attempts to be three in one–
      Muslim / Communist/ and Christian. And this Goldberg dude. has a Jewish name but speaks like an American Liberal -i.e. a Jew who practices Liberalism and not Torah Law.

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  • V-MAN MACE
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:41pm

    I don’t want to be ruled by religious zealots unless it is the REAL Jesus Christ, with REAL zeal for Yahweh.

    Perry and Bachmann are flawed humans. Not qualified.

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    • affinnity
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 6:59pm

      Screw you ass. Go play with people who will put up with your stupid nonsense.

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    • affinnity
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 7:06pm

      After reading your other comments I must say you seem like a true conservative. I don’t agree with your comment and I am sorry I called you an ass.

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    • SFYMP
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 7:42pm

      Good for you affinity, shows a backbone. V-man is someone you want on our side no PC garbage. Semper Fi

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    • Ookspay
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 10:51pm

      V-Man, Jesus is not on the ticket. All men are flawed, choose wisely. There is no flawless candidate. I’ll take a random name out of the phone book instead of B O.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on August 16, 2011 at 12:19am

      But we don’t elect rulers, we elect presidents, as in “one who presides”.

      Like a Judge presides over his court. The rule of law is the ruler.

      We are all subjects to it.

      I don’t want a human religious zealot to be the judge over anything, because they are prone to dictatorship, seeing as all men are flawed, that’s why we the people have no ruler except the rule of law and our respective Gods.

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  • TOMSERVO
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:40pm

    Churches should not be tax-exempt! If Christianity is indeed the best religion, it should win in a lassez-faire, pure capitalist competition, correct? So let ‘em fight it out, and regulate churches the same as businesses. This should please the right because the best religion (Christianity, DUH) will win out. This will please the left because it will create greater tax revenue, as well as increase financial transparency in politics (most of that money is probably flowing back into Republican pockets). What do you Blazers think?

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    • psst
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:49pm

      Tom, Ya mean all those radical Churches(many, and growing) that are promoting same sex marriages and many of whose preachers are Happy themselves are giving their congregation $ to republicans?
      Thanks , I never knew that.But it makes sense.. I wish I was smart “enuff” to have figured that out.

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    • Captain Crunch
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:50pm

      Duh…wrong!

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    • TOMSERVO
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:57pm

      @PSST, so wait, churches give their money to the Democratic Party? Wow, how do Republicans ever win anything? Their political foes are receiving all of the money from unions, Soros, MSNBC, ACORN, rich people, poor people, scientists, atheists, Muslims, Hollywood, big banks. Why haven’t they stamped us all out yet?

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:04pm

      “This should please the right because the best religion (Christianity, DUH) will win out. ”

      How is that logical? I mean, how is it a logical inference that Christianity will succeed because it is the best? Eventually, it will. Because God is in charge. Truth will win out. But there is no gaurantee of it doing so immediately. Success in capitalism is no sign of truth or goodness. Porn is the most profitable buisness on the internet. There is nothing good or true in that enterprise.

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    • TOMSERVO
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:08pm

      @Isles. “Success in capitalism is no sign of truth or goodness.”

      Except for Fox News. They have the best ratings, ergo they speak the truth while the other media sources are all liars.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:12pm

      Sit back a moment. Put together a cogent thought. Try again.

      Thanks.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:14pm

      @TOMSERVO

      All I’m asking for is just a tiny bit of logic. Just a little bit. Then I could at least follow your comment.

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    • 65Mustang
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:23pm

      TOMSERVO: I have always felt churches should be taxed including all the holdings that some faiths have…colleges, charities, hospitals, cable channels and the list goes on. Religion is a big business

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    • psst
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:27pm

      Tom: ya need to re-read what ye posted.And re-read what I replied.
      You said “This will please the left because it will create greater tax revenue, as well as increase financial transparency in politics (most of that money is probably flowing back into Republican pockets).”
      You made an assumption that most of the loot from Christians(Christianity) were flowing back to the republicans.
      I responded that I was not aware that the many (and growing)radical Churches who openly promotes abominations are funnelling their congregation $ to the republicans.. I assumed those were part of Christianity and most knowledgeable people would make the correct assumption those Churches surely would not send funds to republicans.
      I never mentioned anything about Churches giving $ to the dem party.
      I was making an analysis of what I read on your post about Christian Churches/Christianity funding republicans.
      But you would be correct in concluding I was making you aware that many of the pfhomo Churches would in no way support republicans.
      And I am also concluding from you original post that you consider radical abomination promoting Churches and majority of Black Churches who are solidly in the marxist party camp as to not be part of Christianity.
      But thanks for the reply.

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    • TOMSERVO
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:31pm

      @Mustang, very interesting thanks for your thoughts. I think the central tenets of American Christianity are very respectable and provide an excellent moral compass for our youth when applied appropriately (I think the same of most large, demagogical religions around the world, but that is a different discussion). However, it has always seemed backwards to me that huge, sprawling churches can collect vast amounts of money from their followers, then use it to build even huger, more sprawling churches and create campaigns to bring more followers (read, $$$) under their flag, all while not having to show or explain where any of that money went.

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    • Malkavianism
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:51pm

      I’m curious, what would you tax? The charitable contributions made to the church, or the charitable contributions made by the church? Would you treat them differently than any other non profit org? Doesn’t every charity expand their operation as it sees fit? Why should churches be taught any differently? Or why would you take funds from organizations sworn to help those in need, with actual love and care, and throw it at a faceless bureaucratic system. Your conclusions don’t make much sense to me, but I am sincerely curious, how would you tax them?

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    • geomann
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:59pm

      The whole idea that Christians would want to kill those who refuse to obey some or all of the doctrin makes no sense whatsoever. The idea of Christianity is to convince people to follow Christ on their own accord, with the ultimate goal being the salvation of their sole. To kill them before they make that choice defeates the entire purpose Christ came to accompish.

      Perry/Bachman 2012

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  • topperj
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:39pm

    Check this out, regarding Perry. http://debbieschlussel.com/. Just throwing this out there for public consumption.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:53pm

      This lady shouldn’t be allowed to use up oxygen……

      She talks just like this isn’t a bunch of crap…….

      TEA

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:13pm

      @MONICNE

      You get to use up oxygen. Why shouldn’t she?

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  • fly892
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:38pm

    This lady shouldn’t be allowed to use up oxygen……

    She talks just like this isn’t a bunch of crap…….

     
    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:53pm

      Check this out, regarding Perry. http://debbieschlussel.com/. Just throwing this out there for public consumption.

      TEA

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:16pm

      Here we go with all the Trolls from the Liberal outlets.

      You know, why don’t you guys spam up your own comment threads? No one reads them? Well, how the heck is that our fault?

      It‘s not fair to punish us just because no one’s interested in your ideology. Seriously.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:39pm

      @JAYCEN

      You get to use up oxygen. Why shouldn’t we?

      TEA

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    • Steve
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 10:41pm

      Jaxyen.

      No let them speak. That way those who aren’t sure of the left and their Marxist designs can see them first hand from their own thoughts.

      Doesn’t take away from the fact that their clown trolls and nothing of what they say or believe is right. They energize me into fighting harder against them and recruit others to our side who were on the fence and ignorant of the enemies we have within our borders.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:01am

      Steve, you refer to “trolls,” – what does that mean to you?

      TEA

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  • voicecheck1
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:38pm

    What happened to Thaddeus McCotter ? I like Bachmann but I bet Thaddeus is the cleanest most constitutionally perfect candidate I think this guy so believes in America and no one knows who he is ^ Will someone vett this man and get him out there ^ I just can’t stand it ^^^^^^^^^ Yes his straw poll speak was a bit ^ well ^ churchlike a bit boring at the beginning but this guy ^ I think he knows what to do ^ and it’s not to start a full body contact sportswear company named I-SLAM sportswear ^

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  • michael48
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:38pm

    good grief…writters block???…no offence to writters …dam….I think I’ve stayed to long at this dance…64 years and I thought I had heard ALL the BS the progressives(?) could slobber…like , Unemployment saves or creates JOBS…well, HELL fire EVERYBODY…TODAY…born at night but NOT LAST NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • vennoye
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:58pm

      Sad, isn’t it? It is also sad that most of the people this is written for will NOT do the homework to check out it’s validity!! We have to face the fact that there is NO repercussion any more for lying…. There is no accountability among liberals for anything they say…… How totally sad that our country has fallen to this level!! NO truth, NO trust…………

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    • loriann12
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 7:10pm

      @vennoye

      The progressives are counting on the fact that people won’t look it up for themselves. Just like you can google what the rich pay in taxes and get the truth. They would rather be spoon-fed what the progressive leaders feed them….and they blame us for listening to Rush and Beck. Rush puts into words what I already suspected and couldn’t pin down.

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  • PITMASTER
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:35pm

    Screw her. I get so sick and tired of these left-wing loonies always portraying Conservatives as an instrument of the devil himself. All these nut jobs do is float a thought or a comment void of facts and littered with emotion and talking points and we’re supposed to believe these DNC water carriers? It’s time the Conservatives strike back and nail these two-bit thugs between the eyes with the TRUTH!!!
    The Progressives are the enemies as proven through their actions over the past 100+ years. The American people in the 19th century had more freedoms and liberties than you and I have today and that’s a fact. If it were up to me, I’d shave every Progressive bald because I know one of them has the mark of the beast, 6-6-6. And I’d start with Obama.

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    • TOMSERVO
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:43pm

      @Pitmaster, yeah! WAY more freedoms. Kids could work, it was great! It was ideal because they have smaller hands that could fit much more easily into the thresher if something got jammed in there.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:17pm

      @Tomservo

      Dude, you aren‘t even reading the comments to which you’re replying. You can spout manic silliness, but it’s not helping your position.

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    • TOMSERVO
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:24pm

      @Jaycen, huh? Just an example of the additional freedoms we had 100 years ago before the ******** came in and put the shackles of socialism on our country.

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:58pm

      ~~~The American people in the 19th century had more freedoms and liberties than you and I have today and that’s a fact.~~~

      Definitely, especially women and children. Wait…what?

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  • Volsense
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:35pm

    Just another liberal reinforcing that liberalism is truly a progressive mental disorder. History will prove that the elites really think they are smarter than everyone else because their perception of reality is so skewed they can‘t understand they really don’t have a clue. The truth to a liberal is an emotion rather than a fact.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:49pm

      When the SHFT, these DEMOCRATS will be eating each other first Most of my brain dead liberal friends couldn’t survive ten days. Contrary to what Glenn says, I will not be doing their survival preparation, for any long term problems. Family first.

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    • fatjack
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:01pm

      13th Imam

      Bingo

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    • DrFrost
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:14pm

      1) The left has had an agenda to take over education and government for decades. I don’t see anything wrong with other groups taking a page from their playbook. In fact, they really need to in order to level the playing field.
      2) The ties the author tries to make between Perry and Bachman to this supposed christian sect is so thin as to require a very active imagination to see it. I’m sure she could “find” such ties between any practicing christian and some such nonsensical belief. When you find some christian killing someone else for leaving christianity…. get back to us (and don’t forget to cover all the people muslims are killing for leaving islam in the meantime…. just to be fair and balanced).
      3) Tasteless comparisons between groups that in no way deserve such comparisons (again… remind me how many people this extreme christian group has killed compared to how many people extreme islamists have killed) expose this woman’s efforts for what they really are: an attempt to stir up anger and hatred. Due to this, I posit that she has far more in common with those extreme muslims than Perry or Bachman will every have.

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  • thegodfather
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:31pm

    “Democracy Now”, uses that name, because “Socialism Now”, was already taken by the Obama adminstration.

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    • TOMSERVO
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:35pm

      Really? I’ve never seen the current administration go udner that name before…are they saving it for something?

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  • cosette
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:28pm

    I think this knuckle dragging mouth breather has us confused with Muslims Farrakhan, Obama et al.

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    • afishfarted
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:45pm

      “According to Goldberg, Reconstructionism advocates for replacing some elements of American government with Old Testament law. This, of course, would include imposing the death penalty for homosexuals, those who shave abortions and people who abandon Christianity, among other extremities.”
      Well THAT’S certainly interesting. There WERE no Christians in the old testament. By definition, Chrsitianity was born from following Christ, who didn’t make his appearance until the new testament. She oughta get her blblical history right before she tries to analyze, the silly wench

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  • Revere2
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:28pm

    Where the hell do these morons come from??

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  • concealled9mms
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:27pm

    keep driving voters from the demo party fools

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  • DDD
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:26pm

    The truth will out. I AM surprised with the speed at which this liberals come up with this crap and are given airtime.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:28pm

      If Bachmann hasn’t attended the church for years and after realizing that by not “officially” leaving the church could be used against her – makes this a total non-issue.

      TEA

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  • Dustyluv
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:26pm

    Just an idiot who does not understand true Christianity.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:31pm

      You understand why a lot of Texans hate Rick the dick. He is a two faced liar. If I want to see a RINO I can go to the zoo

      TEA

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:42pm

      Barry is a multi-faced liar. Whomever are the Picked DEMOCRATS of the Day, will get a speech directed to their pocketbooks or wallets. Unless you are the Target de Jour. Big Auto, Big Truck, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Airplane,, Big Yacht et al.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:04pm

      LOL…Perry’s a liar? And Obama’s what? A pillar integrity? Get some better material MONACNE.

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  • scjeff
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:26pm

    Years ago, I worked in IT for a company that sold off their manufacturing assets to a contract manufacturer and split our IT department in two. One network manager insisted that “people will steal the books and tools” for the network equipment and I said that was BS. She was right. She stole all of the books and tools and stored them away. A socialist here is telling you that someone wants to run every aspect of everyone’s lives and she is right, the socialists do.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:33pm

      Jerusalem belongs to Israel until the Arab nations can take it back. As history teaches us, that ain’t gonna be easy

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  • trinity76
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:23pm

    Reconstructists make up a very, very small percentage of evangelical Christians. I‘m not surprised by the left’s continued use of guilt by association (even if they have to pull a Kevin Bacon in order to find it) in an attempt to strike fear of Bachmann, Perry, etc. in the minds of Americans. It’s not going to work this time around, though.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:34pm

      All it takes is a few nuts to make it appear that we are all that way! And Glenn has already made it clear that he doesn’t want his fans to behave this way. Please respect his wishes.

      TEA

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  • TOMSERVO
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:23pm

    “This movement is clearly not within the mainstream of Christian America.”

    Kind of like how Tea Party extremism is clearly not within the mainstream of American politics…yet somehow is taken seriously.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:36pm

      Say it ain’t so!

      TEA

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  • SREGN
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:23pm

    Let me spell it out for you, Goldberg, Christians want CHRIST to rule creation, not Christians. What we want to eliminate from government are those working against him.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:51pm

      I wish that all progressives in congress, the judiciary, and the presidency would be driven into the Potomac by angry mobs of taxpayers.

      TEA

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    • SREGN
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:08pm

      Ed Zachary.

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  • 13th Imam
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:20pm

    Damn ,, We’ve been outed. Time to change our name. I think ACORN is currently free. ( American Christians Overtly Rationalizing Nationalism )

    We are now ACORN. Don’t spill the beans. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:29pm

      curses…Goldberg’s onto us…quick get the Rosicrucians, the Knights Templar… anyone…

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:48pm

      Barry is a multi-faceted liar. Whomever are the Picked DEMOCRATS of the Day, will get a speech directed to their pocketbooks or wallets. Unless you are the Target de Jour. Big Auto, Big Truck, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Airplane,, Big Yacht et al.

      MONICNE  
    • 13th Imam
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 5:02pm

      Mons

      Great cut and paste job. you are improving in your copying skills, but you got the “Multi-faced ” term wrong. Your Grade is D-

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  • MONICNE
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:18pm

    I assume the answer to the headline, the writer’s strategy consists of getting increased reader attention and building additional readership.

    Not unlike the headline itself. (As usual.)

    TEA

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  • Ron Staiger
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:17pm

    Better a theocrat than a friggin moron like Michele Goldberg- just another Jew who hates Christians.

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    • southernloyalty
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:46pm

      I know whats with all these jews hating Christianity these days. Kind of reminds of how the Bolshevik jews went after the orthodox christians in Russia. Can any Jewish people on here give a good explanation on why ya’ll hate Christianity so much?

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 5:03pm

      Exactly, same thing with Israel, it would be such a better place if it wasn’t for all those Jews.

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    • Mr_Meaner
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 8:52pm

      There are good Jews and good Christians. They are conservatives.
      There are bad Jews and bad Christians. They are progressives/communists/socialists who use religion as an instrument of control. They don’t even really believe in God. They want to be gods, establishing their own theocracy, with their doctrines, their account of our origins, their version of morality, which is amorality. They even have their own Satan, namely anyone who opposes the tenets of their faith.
      They are the intolerant ones. They are the ones who would round up all dissenters, if they thought they could… and would dispose of them just like their Nazi predecessors did in the 30′s, and their communist predecessors did in the decades following

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    • Eman17j
      Posted on August 18, 2011 at 1:21am

      I can give you the reason why I as a Jew do not like christianity and some reasons why other Jews do too. A lot of orthodox Jews do not believe any messiah has come because the messiah would lead them to peace and prosperity which as we can see we havent had. I do believe their was a messiah that came but christianity is a made up story that is lie about what really happened. And another reason the I and orthodox Jews share is that your christ basically spits in the face of Yah saying that his law has been done away with and as you probably know anyone who preaches another god is to be put to death but christianity acts like it is the true religion even though it is a fake. So that aggravates us.

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    • Eman17j
      Posted on August 18, 2011 at 1:25am

      I also forgot that if you read history you would also know that there were a lot of times when christians would persecute Jews. There were times when christians would tell Jews to convert to christianity or they would be put to death.

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    • Eman17j
      Posted on August 18, 2011 at 1:29am

      I almost forgot also christians have persecuted Jews as well. Read some history and you will see that christians have driven Jews from their land they also have forced then to convert to chritianity or they killed them. The history of christianity has been pretty much anti Jew and the only reason a lot of christians support Israel now is because they think this will bring their christ back.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:16pm

    Well here we go again watching the left attempt to make radicals out of their opposition while the real facts are the progressive-socialist left is the real radical elements of the political system.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:38pm

      They are again being used as a scapegoat to set us up, the administration must be drooling over each and every success these anarchists produce.

      TEA

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    • riverdog1
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:04pm

      islam is a religion, they worship the same god as christians.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:12pm

      It’s not going to work this time. Voters want someone who can steer this country back onto a prosperous course and they know it’s not Obama or the democrats. Perry can say he worships Kali or runs naked around Stonehenge worshipping the moon, it won’t matter to the voter at this point. While Obama “focuses like a laser” on his political campaign the people want to see competent leadership not bus tours.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on August 15, 2011 at 6:23pm

      Same God as Christians Riverhog1? Is that why the Hadith (one of the three “holy” books of Islam) has passages exhorting Muslims to kill every Jew?
      ‘The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: `Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him’; but the tree Gharkad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.’ (Sahih Muslim, Book 40, Number 6985).
      By the way..Hamas has that verse VERBATIM in their charter.
      If that’s the “Christian” God Riverhog1, then he’s been stretched, mangled and contorted beyond recognition by their “make it up as you go along” prophet Mohammed.
      It’s not my responsibility to educate you Riverhog..but clearly your teachers failed.

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