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‘I Chose the Gun’: Netherlands’ Gen. Gives Passionate Defense of Military

Peter van Uhm is the Netherlands’ chief of defense. He knows the art of war. But despite being a man of the sword, he’s not a bloodthirsty soldier with an insatiable desire to kill as some would like to characterize those in the military. Instead, he is a distinguished man with a craft. And in an inspiring TED talk recently, he explained why he “chose the gun.” And he even brought one on stage.

Netherlands General Peter van Uhm TED Talk: Why I Chose the Gun

“Ladies and gentleman, I share your goals,” he said while holding a rifle. “I share the goals of the speakers you heard before. I did not choose to take up the pen, the brush, the camera. I chose this instrument. I chose the gun.”

“Let us cherish the fact that most of you have never been close to a gun,” he added. Why? “It means the Netherlands is a peaceful country. The Netherlands is not at war. It means soldiers are not needed to patrol our streets.”

Van Uhm — who lost his son to a roadside bomb in Afghanistan in 2008 — goes on to explain why he chose the military. The TED video description sums it up:

Peter van Uhm is the Netherlands’ chief of defense, but that does not mean he is pro-war. At TEDxAmsterdam he explains how his career is one shaped by a love of peace, not a desire for bloodshed — and why we need armies if we want peace.

Watch it below:

It should be noted that gun ownership in the Netherlands is fairly low: about three guns per 100 people. The country’s regulation of firearms has been categorized as “restrictive.” So it seems that while van Uhm would defend the use of guns on a macro level, his country does not translate that into a micro level. In addition, some could construe his talk as a defense of military monopolization of weapons (over private citizens) in order to keep the “peace.”

But despite some possible pitfalls, van Uhm’s talk in general and his larger point is one that is universal, and his words ring true.

“Sometimes only the gun can stand between good and evil,” he says. “And that is why I took up the gun. Not to shoot, not to kill, not to destroy. But to stop those who would do evil. To protect the vulnerable. To defend democratic values.”

Netherlands General Peter van Uhm TED Talk: Why I Chose the Gun

TEDTalks are conferences that give speakers — “leading thinkers and doers — 18 minutes to give the speech of their lives.

(H/T: Bulletpeople)

Comments (163)

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  • lukerw
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:26am

    You cannot have Peace, until you get rid of the Opposition (All The People who disagree with you)!

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    • shogun459
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:47am

      You speak of the peace of the grave, and it stinks.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:02am

      Think about what you just said. We currently have peace with countries whose culture is not compatible with our own.

      It is possible to live peacefully without killing all opposition.

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    • BlackCrow
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:16am

      1. An armed society is a polite society. (Notice the level of the political discourse lately? Would you insult the guy with the rifle at the ready?)

      2. It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees. ( I prefer Valhalla to slavery!)

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    • readytostand
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:17am

      By listening to this soldiers story, I believe he is probably a good , and noble man. The world could use many more like him! The one sad thing i am hearing is globalism, but you can expect this, being he has been raised in a democracy yes, but a democracy riddled with Socialism. Some still believing in a world of (peace and love and Euphoric Utopia.) Another sad thing is he would know that complete peace on Earth is impossible as long MAN still roams the earth! I do not think he has been introduced to the BIBLE.! Hopefully some day he will UNDERSTAND !!

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:55am

      Big talk. But standing up without the threat of being shot or shooting is a useless gesture.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:53pm

      Peace is obtainable only through submission to God not mans systems.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:58pm

      I see only 4 cases
      - You agree
      - You agree to disagree (live apart).
      - You persuade with logical argument.
      - You kill your oppressors.

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    • originalthought
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:27pm

      More accurately. ” If you want peace -Prepare for war. ” Old Roman saying.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:31pm

      Vikings would arrive at a new port. They would observe the people & inspect the defenses. If the port was strong they would trade; if the defenses were weak they would raid.

      You might think that it is a white thang. I remember a book written about a Mongol about his ancestors. He thought it was the greatest things that they could extract from the Chinese goods by raiding of the threat of raids.

      Some people will respect you & treat you well because that is their life’s philosophy. Others won’t. To not have a military or a police force is just “all kinds of stupid”.

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:31pm

      everyone should carry a gun. it is the only way to defend your liberty.
      if you can not defend yourselves, you will be enslaved. it is the nature of authoritarians to control everyone.

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    • JacobsBubble
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:49pm

      “lukerw
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:26am

      You cannot have Peace, until you get rid of the Opposition (All The People who disagree with you)! ”

      Not a perfect peace. But you can have peace by restraint by making it impossible for those who disagree with you to think they can win. Weakness of the good invites wars. Strength minimizes wars, but never stops them completely. Why? because sometimes those who disagree with you are driven by an insane unrestrainable jealousy of you. That being, jealous of your strength and freedom. Just the same, being strong will minimize damage to you, and set an example to others who are also jealous as to what they will receive if they try. Perfect peace only comes by totally wiping out those who are on the wrong side of justice. Those who manipulate the system and use the process of justice as a means to distort justice for doing evil in the name of good.

      When the Lord returns, not one enemy of his will remain alive. But only He can perform such a perfect surgical removal of evil from the world. In the mean time, we can only restrain evil through strength. For, evil that laughs at well intended peace treaties.

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    • Deltiphi
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:11pm

      Peace without freedom is slavery

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    • vonstro
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:24pm

      What a foolish comment!

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    • FORLORNHOPE
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:47pm

      Peace through strength

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    • faithkills
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:39pm

      If those cocksuckers had been free, they would have been armed. If they had been armed, the United States would not have been needed to protect their collectivist pansy asses.

      And now we are the collectivist pansy asses. Sending drones to kill civilians. Invading the weak to make us think we are still strong and free as we once were.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:11pm

      “Sometimes only the gun can stand between good and evil,” he says. “And that is why I took up the gun. Not to shoot, not to kill, not to destroy. But to stop those who would do evil. To protect the vulnerable. To defend democratic values.”

      The only thing worse than the French Military is the Dutch Military. What this so called Military person is doing is STILL apologizing to Muslims for the disaster of the Dutch protecting Muslims from the Bosnian Serbs back in the 90′s. A certain Dutch Military Officer (Major or Col, I can’t remember) named Franken was in charge of a UN team protecting about 7000 Muslims from the Serbs. The Serbs drove up to the encampment one day and told Franken that the war was over and they were there to escort the Muslims back to their homes. They loaded the Muslims up in buses, men and boys in separate buses than the woman. Off they drove with all the Muslims in bus load after bus load. After they had all the Muslims… they killed every man and boy. The Dutch are still apologizing to the Muslims. This is why they let the Muslims get away with the cr@p they pull in the Netherlands.
      Just remember the words of this Dutch Military jerk when you need someone to stand next to you in a time of war….
      “And that is why I took up the gun. Not to shoot, not to kill, not to destroy…” apparently he plans on surrendering it to the nearest enemy! No wonder his finger is so far away from the trigger; he’ll never pull it.

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  • SpaceRaider
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:24am

    Pretty nice looking gun, wish I could afford one.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:48am

      If your looking for what I think is one of the best brands, check this company out :
      http://www.lwrci.com/default.aspx

      If you do your homework, you could possibly acquire a M6-SL for under $1500

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    • BlackMesa
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:44am

      Nothing wrong with a LWRCI, but the mission drives what gear you need. If you are finally thinking about buying America’s rifle (the AR-15), take a hard look at BCM.

      Hard to get more value for the same dollars that can be so easily wasted on a Bushmaster, DPMS, or other hobby guns.

      Start here then determine what you need:
      http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bravo-Company-Rifle-Carbine-M4-AR15-M16-s/140.htm

      BCM, Colt, Noveske, LWRCI, and Daniel Defense are also excellent choices. Smith&Wesson a good choice.

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    • BlackMesa
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:48am

      Oh, and I forgot LMT and Larue. Mega fail on my part, as both are USA made companies and products of the highest quality.

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    • thorkyl
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:35pm

      Build you own.
      The best part of building your own is you can do so over time and when it is complete, you know more about it than any gun smith does.

      There is also something satisfying about building something that the ******** despise… :)

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    • Rightallalong
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:39pm

      Actually if you are willing to spend a little time and source parts indivudually you can get a very solid, excellent performaing AR15 type rifle for around $1000. It also depends on your personal needs – for close quarters work you do not need 500yd accuracy and a $1k gun is just fine. If you have property that you live on and want to reach and and touch something then you want something with very high tolerances. Also check out the LeRue Tactical website – their OBR is one of the best out there …

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:46pm

      @ thorkyl

      Building your own could end up costing you more money than just buying a quality weapon in the first place – especially if it’s a piston rig.

      I was recently at a range where a fellow shooter was exhibiting his 8th AR-15 build (gas impingement) and he had failure after failure whilst I spent all day dialing in my LWRC M6A3 without a hitch or a hiccup. Every three rounds he had some sort of issue.

      I agree with Blackmesa with regards to the brands he named. It’s good stuff, meaning reliable.

      Do your homework, do your homework, do your homework……that’s all I can implore. You’ll thank yourself later.

      BTW, I have a Vortex Viper PST 1-4×24 scope and it’s really a nice compliment to the rifle. Very satisfied with the quality of the scope.

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    • hard.right
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:52pm

      you don’t even have to spend a grand anymore either, plenty of really good ARs well below a grand. for example, and it’s getting smokin reviews out in the field, the smith MP15 sport. for the average user that isn’t gonna drag it thru the mud or have to force a round into the chamber in an emergency…it’s a perfectly good alternative for around $700.

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    • dorightfearnothing
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:08pm

      Go to Del-Ton.com and pick a complete rifle kit, it comes with everything but the lower receiver (upgrade to a chrome lined barrel is highly recommended) and if you don’t live in a socialist state can be shipped directly to your door. Then buy an AR15 lower receiver from a local reputable dealer and put it together yourself. You will then have a very nice & dependable AR15 for around $700.00, then add all the fancy stuff later as you can afford it.

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    • MEANS2RESIST
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:25pm

      Here is an economical way to go….

      http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_786006_-1_757785_757784_757784_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:03pm

      I‘d still like to think the M14 is America’s rifle, even it lived a short life as the standar-issue rifle. It’s essentially a rechambered, external mag, fully automatic (military models, or civilians + shoestring :P), more wieldly version of the All-American M1 (as Patton said, “the greatest battle implement ever devised”). Both of which are far less finicky in dust and dirt than the AR-15 platform, and much simpler to clean (damn that star chamber!) The .308 Winchester/ 7.62×51mm NATO has much improved stopping power over the 5.56×54mm NATO, and subsequently much longer effective range. You won’t be able to carry as many .308 rounds for the same weight and volume, but it’s not too bad of a tradeoff, especially considering the increase in stopping power. It‘s not like you’re carrying around .30-06s or .45-70s, after all.

      You COULD just buy a .308 variant of the AR-15, but then you lose the reliability advantage. And there are a wide selection of really nice EBR stocks for the M14 that can attach anything an M4 stock can. You can also get a short tactical barrel, down to the 16″ minimum.

      Also, considering the crony capitalism allegations surrounding the adoption of the M16 to replace the M14 for standard issue, it serves for me as kind of a reminder modern American political BS. The M14, on the other hand, has no such shady history.

      Don’t get me wrong the AR-15 platform is nice, but not my top choice for anything except maybe stock ergonomics.

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    • sasquatch08
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:54pm

      Personally, I‘m a big fan of Rock River Arms AR’s.

      I’ve had two for years, a piston and a direct impingement system. The only problem I’ve ever had with either of the guns was a single round of 5.56 that failed to fire. Once the dud was ejected, the rifle went on gleefully gobbling up and spitting out any further rounds I fed it.

      $980+tax for the impingement, $1050+tax for the piston. Of course, the second one I bought was a couple years ago, and I did shop around.

      Add a rail system up front, a FAB defense T-Pod foregrip/bipod (gen 2) and whatever optics you would like.

      I’ll gladly put either one up against any AR type weapon with the same barrel length.

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    • BlackMesa
      Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:52am

      Luckly, you still currently have the liberty to buy a crap AR or an M1A1, or even the superb Larue OBR.
      Regardless, if you have an open mind, check out this link:

      http://www.slip2000.com/art-swat2.html <– on AR platform reliability and how necessary cleaning is
      http://www.ar15.com/content/swat/keepitrunning.pdf <– on the importance of AR platform lubrication

      The AR-15, properly chambered in 5.56×45mm (and not .223 Rem or .223 Wylde) has the distinct advantage that virtually anyone can be taught [learn] to shoot it and make hits out to 300yds with iron sights.

      M193 and M855 are inferior to other loadings available:
      http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19881

      Regarding the S&W, that's a great price and would pick one up off the ground as my choice, if it was laying next to a RockRiver or Del-ton.

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  • mtnscott
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:09am

    He chose the gun, but he also believes in the “state monopoly” of the gun. That state monopoly gave his dad a gun that couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn even though he was an excellent marksman.

    “Guns are not a part of our lives.” And so history repeats itself. Only they won‘t be handed old guns that can’t hit anything. They’ll be supplied with plenty of barbed wire, re-education camps, and rationed food.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:47pm

      Agreed. He fails to acknowledge the fact that government is the source of all monopoly power, even the power to create war. I agree with him that peaceful trad relations are a far better option than war, however, in order for peace to be lasting the gov’t has to represent the people and abide by limitations that ensure the rights of the people are not infringed. This is obviously not the reality of any gov’t in operation today.

      Finally, when governments fall where guns are not a part of the culture or at a convenient reach for most people (like in most African nations), then you end up with genocide and war lords. His love of the gov‘t monopoly of power is concerning as he doesn’t want his society to have the safety net that a gun owning society has. And that to me, is a fatal flaw in his opinion.

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  • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:07am

    State monopoly on violence? I think not.

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:14am

      I guess that’s one way to guarantee the security of your nation against the NWO.

      The other option is to fight the NWO. Less of a guarantee, but oh how the Liberty is worth it.

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  • RagingJudge
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:46am

    Didn’t like the speech. Yes it was nice he was grateful for the Allies and understood his father’s plight, but he’s in favor of a “state monopoly on violence”, which sounds like exactly what the Nazis and Communists implemented. He makes the mistake of assuming that “democracies” have the peoples’ best interest at heart always (nevermind the fact that actual democracies are terrible). While we should certainly have a national army, we should also have a heavily armed populace. It’s the only reason Switzerland has been able to remain completely neutral all these years. Even they’re headed in the wrong direction, though. They’ve been moving towards globalism.

    He mentioned that part of the purpose of the Belgian Army is “enforcing international law”. Yuck. There should be no such police force. Let nations sort their own problems out without dragging other nations into conflict with them.

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:36am

      He is Dutch, not Belgian.
      Also, a “state monopoly on violence”, is not a proscription from private gun ownership. Taken to an extreme (or more accurately, when used as window dressing for authoritarianism), the concept is dangerous — sure enough. The state monopoly on violence means that individuals cannot be violent without the state’s permission. We have ALWAYS had that in the USA. I have “permission” to shoot to death some guy who is trying to rape my wife. That permission is the law permitting defense of others.

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    • readytostand
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:43am

      @ Ragingjudge_ YES -Yes Bravo well said! Wouldn‘t it be a wonderful world if we didn’t need a firearm to protect ourselves? And (BIG BROTHER) would truly watch over us with our best interest at heart ! STOP hitting the snooze button folks , time to wake up NOW! BE ARMED!!!

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:44pm

      Sorry, not sure why I typed Belgian. Regardless…

      Chuck, he is equating guns to violence, and saying the state deserves a monopoly on violence for the sake of stability. He mentioned nothing about granting permission to citizens to defend themselves; in fact, their laws are not very friendly to those who wish to defend themselves. Their gun ownership statistics indicate their government does have a “monopoly on violence”. The government has no authority to grant or restrict one’s permission to defend himself violently when violence is the only option, that authority belongs to God. You can shoot the man trying to rape your wife because God gave you the inherent right to do so, not because the government said it is okay. The government is only there to PROTECT that right (which it often fails at). That law is not a permission, but rather a clarification of your rights, though in many (progressive) places in this country the laws attempt to DENY its citizens this very right!

      The “state monopoly on violence” rhetoric is eerily similar to the rhetoric of those who advocate both gun control and globalism. In fact, he said “guns are not a part of our lives [as Dutchmen]“, and he cited the Dutch military’s self-appointed role of enforcing “international law” (meaning, globalist legislation).

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:46pm

      @ Ragingjudge
      I agree with you in principle. Looks like we see different things in the speech, though. You look at it in the context of a speech given by an official of a social democratic government (which it certainly is). I look at it in the context of a book review I read in the WSJ (or was it The Economist?) that discussed the decrease in murder associated with national government: the state took the “right” to kill from the individual. Thus, Hobbes’ description of the nature of Man in the absence of Law (Nasty, Brutish and Short) is demonstrated. Bad government can be better than no government. Unlike Hobbes, though, we understand that that truth does NOT justify bad goverment — we need to do our best to obtain good government.

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  • Hrothgar
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:45am

    Sweet Hera’s smile! He is channeling the very spirit of Charleston Heston! Remember guns don’t kill people, apes with guns kill people.

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  • Buck Shane
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:43am

    “Sometimes only the gun can stand between good and evil,” he says. “And that is why I took up the gun. Not to shoot, not to kill, not to destroy. But to stop those who would do evil. To protect the vulnerable.”

    It must be me, but I can’t imagine an argument against this statement. I’m sure someone will make one, but not a logical one.
    This is an excellent quote.

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    • kralspaces
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:51am

      That is exactly why we have the second amendment.

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    • All American American
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:52am

      Buck, here’s the argument, as least how this American sees it.

      I own a gun to protect…ME and MY FAMILY. Not “the vulnerable.” Maybe if more folks in the Netherlands owned guns and rifles and practiced a bit they wouldn’t be so “vulnerable.”

      Look, I spent 21 years in the military,. I urge EVERY AMERICAN who can to buy at least a decent semi-auto battle rifle. That is unless you want to entrust your life to an 18 y/o PFC who is maybe a muslim, or a gang-banger, or just a stupid kid who doesn’t know any better and will follow any order given to him at any time.

      Or you could remain “vulnerable” and hope the good and kind-hearted military will protect you. So when the SHTF does every family get their own soldier or what?

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    • BlackCrow
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:22am

      Do they no longer give the legal order, illegal order lecture in basic training? “I was just following orders” is not a defense. Ask Alfred Jodl.

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:30am

      Even if they do still distinguish between legal and illegal orders, who is going to prosecute for an illegal order followed that is politically correct? And who is going to defend someone in a case of insubordination against an illegal order that was politically correct? It’s not a reliable safety mechanism, the way I see it.

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    • shakedowncrews
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:42am

      @ All American American: I agree. I bought one this year–not a fancy H&K, but what I could afford, a reliable firearm. Of course, we also have sidearms for each member of the family, and various other rifles that could be used for self defense, but are not really modern battle rifles. I hope we never need to use them for that purpose. But recently there were many stories of women and children who defended their homes with nothing more than a coach gun, or a 22 rifle. Any gun is better than none. But owning at least one “semi-auto battle rifle” is a good idea.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:10pm

      @ All American American

      Good post.
      If we look at the word “venerable” as a liberal would, I agree with you. I was looking at it from the prospective of someone shooting at Gabby Giffords, and having the right person there and appropriately armed who could limit the carnage.
      Your are right, though. :-)

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    • americanfirst
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:36pm

      His quote may be good – but it’s a given. It’s the same reason we have a Second Amendment, right?
      We’ve never armed ourselves for personal gain or conquest but strictly to defend ourselves from those willing to abuse the power vested in them by us. If we give a person or a group of people the right to exercise a limited amount of power – which includes our military, our money, our airwaves and media prudence demands that we make provisions for the moment when that power becomes corrupted and is turned against those who gave it in the first place. It’s a given.
      Those in (global) power have nothing to loose and everything to gain by testing our resolve.
      What is painfully evident is that provisions are being made by them to deal with our reactions.
      It’s a chess game with the penalty of losing being subjugation and/or death.

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    • All American American
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:16pm

      @Blackcrow, yeah they give the training, but as Ragin pointed out, it doesn’t matter. Hell I had to go all the way to the IG because I was about to get NJP for not following an unlawful order, and I had the regs to back me up. There were no bullets flying either. (I’m in Oathkeepers too, BTW!)

      @Shake, if you want a good resource for rifles, try “Boston’s Gun Bible” by Boston T. Party. He has all kinds of suggestions (plus reviews) that could fit any budget. I prefer the PTR91 (H&K 91 clones) as they are very reliable,a ccurate weapons in .308 to boot. You could get a “bare bones” one for under a grand.

      @Buck, if the 2A were followed to the letter and folks were walking around peacably carrying, do you think whackjobs like Jared Loughner would attempt the kinds of crap they do? Hoplophobes talk about the “wild west” and blood in the streets, but it seems to me the places that have literal blood in the streets are cities like Philadelphia, DC, NYC, Chicago, etc where gun ownership is severly restricted or outlawed altogether.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:37pm

      ALL AMERICAN AMERICAN…. Doesn’t matter what gun you got if you are facing a platoon, you are going to lose. To win this kind of war you need a good .22 pistol, balls and a list…..

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    • HIsJustice
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:06pm

      @Republicorp. quote…To win this kind of war you need a good .22 pistol, balls and a list…..”

      NIce…covert, and efficient…assuming you can get in close enough.

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  • NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:33am

    He comes from one of the most lib countries on the planet, don’t expect him to respect the avg persons right to own a firearm.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/07/us-usa-fbi-extremists-idUSTRE81600V20120207
    More brainwashing of the masses.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:06pm

      @NOTALOTTA
      I went out and read the Reuters article and I believe these people would be called ANARCHISTS. While I DO agree with their basic philosophy, I do believe they should actually try to change things PEACEFULLY – FIRST. The Declaration of Independence states: “That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”

      Now, how we would go about doing that LAWFULLY and WITHOUT VIOLENCE is troublesome to me because the Progressives have been known to illegally taint our election system. When that is proven, then THE GREATEST AMERICAN REVOLUTION will begin and TRUE American patriots will begin the process of (by whatever means is necessary) ridding our Republic of the cancerous liberal Progressives. It is coming, folks, as much as I don’t like to think about it, it will happen. WHY? We cannot stand idly by and watch this government ruin our Republic by trying to destroy our Constitution, and all our rights under the Bill of Rights. Give them an inch and they will go a mile and you won’t even recognize it UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE. I do not advocate violence, but IT WILL COME TO THAT and when it does, I will stand with them as I believe THIS GOVERNMENT IS A CANCER.

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  • Arc
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:30am

    Ahhhhh just another PRACTICAL look at survival. The good general would have us believe there are people out there who would do Harm to a peaceable man . Surely you jest Sir……why just last week I was through the meadows and glens of Damascus and was quite amazed at the comraderie and love they were showing one another. And Egypt, why the descendants of Pharoah were dancing in the streets and singing their national anthem. And I was really impressed when I arrived in Saudi Arabia and felt the gratitude they felt because of our unquenchable thirst for oil. I was almsot ready to launch into a solo of “ Michael Row The Boat Ashore” when I looked up and heard the scream of a 747 about 1000ft above me…………..!!!!!!!! The Gun!!!!!!!!!! Roger That….

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    • NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:39am

      You do realize had a commercial airliner hit the twin towers, it NEVER would have “disappeared”. No firefighters ever confirmed an aircraft inside EITHER building, of course communications were from cut inside.
      4mm of sheet aluminum can not shear 20mm of structural steel, it just won’t happen.!.

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    • OhioRifleman
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:31am

      @ Not a lot

      No, you can’t sheer sheet steel with sheet aluminum. You can sheer steel with aluminum aircraft frame parts, which are solid-cast aluminum with some parts measuring in feet thick. Especially when moving at 300+ knots. Any dumbarse that believes a jet aircraft is mostly sheet aluminum obviously doesn’t work in the aerospace industry.

      Also, another thing to keep in mind: steel melts at a temperature above the burn temp of jet fuel. However, steel loses structural strength the hotter it gets, and at 1800 degrees it loses 90% of its strength. Good luck supporting the top half of a building when the middle half loses its ability to support its own weight, much less anything above it.

      You fail physics forever. Get a life. Have a nice day.

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    • NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:51am

      @OHrifle min of 2 4″ concrete floors 200′ ft thick. And an A36 BOX Column is not “sheet steel”.
      Think of it this way, the wingtips would not have gone through these columns as the 45′ strike of the empire st bld will attest.
      I believed they were real at 1st, the MSM won’t “change the facts”, even RT will promote it as a “terror” event.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:53am

      @ NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA

      You are so wrong. F=MxA

      You need to educate yourself on reality so you don’t embarrass yourself any more than you just did.

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    • readytostand
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:54am

      @ Notta a lotta- You conspiracy KOOKS just crack me up! How do you explain the thousands of eye witness”s on the streets of N Y actually seeing the airliners hitting the buildings? There was chunks of plane parts (ENGINES) etc. lining the streets! Was this all just an optical illusion ?? I think its time for you to lay off the pipesmoke, or if nothing else get your meds readjusted!

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    • shogun459
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:55am

      You slept through Physics class didn’t you?
      A feather, or the equal weight there of, will kill you if it’s going fast enough.
      Also it was the fire that weakened the steel supports gravity did the rest.
      That’s why they needed to take planes that had just taken off.

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    • hcartexas
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:23am

      Dude… are you retarded? Planes hit the building goof ball.

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    • NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:31pm

      @T22 these would be more appropriate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision_response
      http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/momentum/U4L1b.cfm
      And w/ those, it is easy to prove THERE WERE NOT TWO SOLID OBJECTS.
      The engine under scaffolding was said to be a 737 model, by AFPP mech.
      @R2stand U make it sound logically impossible, but I am here to say it is PHYSICALLY impossible. Witnesses stated on camera “there was no plane, only a bomb” yet he died soon after, hummm?
      @S459 get a grip on aerodynamic drag, as it is much higher at sea level.

      A bullet made of SOLID lead (4x the density of alum) has to travel 2000 FPS to penetrate any real piece of steel. 500fps is about max for a commercial airliner at sea level, more weight = more drag = slower speeds.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:26pm

      @ Notalot

      Tell me what happened to the F4 in the video when it hit the wall and then explain to me why the same thing DIDN’T happen to the two jets that hit the WTC. This should be interesting.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INY5RCzhbjw

      Tell me that the mass and energy stored in an airliner loaded with fuel (heavy) going 400+ knots didn’t vaporize at the same time it penetrated that building with all those eye witnesses to the event. Hell, in the video of the second tower hit you can see the right wingtip slicing through the perimeter of the damn wall and come out the other side.

      You‘ve been listening to too much Charlie Sheen and Rosie O’ Donnell garbage.

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    • NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:23pm

      @22 A) No hole in that concrete wall, which is WEAKER than structural steel.
      B) That is a FIGHTER JET, which CAN travel 500mph at sea level.
      C) Where is all the pyrotechnic dark grey smoke seen at the towers?
      Again, B-25 bomber that struck ESB is much closer an example of what really happens. Notice the EXACT same elements were added to the HOAX, one engine down the elevator shaft one through the opposite wall.
      When fighters hit the back of a carrier, the entire STEEL ship rings, letting everyone aboard know what just happened. No such sound was reported by any witnesses.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:23am

      @ not alot

      You’re right. It was a hoax.

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    • supressorgrid
      Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:45am

      The foot pounds energy of a loaded 737 moving at 800 feet per second is …143,200,000 foot pounds of energy. ONE HUNDRED FOURTY-THREE MILLION TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND! it is a miracle of engineering those buildings didnot just topple over when hit.

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    • NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA
      Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:19am

      @T22 It’s about time you did your homework. Thank you for casting off the MSM blindfold and “seeing” the magic trick for what it is.

      @Sgrid This is typical of a brainwashed mentality. A) no one ever claims any 737s were involved, NOBODY.
      B) defining ft-lb as energy is short of the definition by the 4th dimension, TIME!!
      C) 1.43×10^6 would be enough to actually sway the tower, as in the effect could be seen WHEN TWO SOLID OBJECTS COLLIDE!!

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:11pm

      @ NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA

      Obviously, to most intelligent people reading, I was being sarcastic by saying it was “a hoax”.

      In proclaiming this, what I was really saying is that I don’t like to argue with idiots because they end up dragging me down to their level and then they beat me with experience.

      …..but you knew that, right?

      Now go finish your bottle of Tigers blood, Charlie.

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  • cemerius
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:21am

    Instructional speech for those that have never seen a gun! I am sure he was protested afterwards on “how dare he bring that GUN as a prop”! I prefer open carry and closed borders!

    No Obama in 2012!

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:06am

    Pardon me if I’m not inspired by a man that “chose the gun” to defend Socialism.

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    • Leader1776
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:24am

      Excellent point. Our son’s girl friend is from the Netherlands. They can’t own guns as citizens. And BTW, he’s taken her shooting, a lot …… she loves it. She has a great eye shooting his Glock 40cal.

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:48am

      Your son is a patriot for spreading the joy of freedom. Good job, dad

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    • 338_LM
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:16am

      My wife is from the Netherlands. She absolutely hates guns, and told me our children would NEVER be allowed to touch firearms, EVER. As God is my witness, I’m getting a divorce – no kids yet, so I’m not going down that road… It’s not just that – she ALSO hates news, Beck, preparedness, and anything that doesn’t “feel nice”. Her solution to “evil” is to ignore it. As the old saying goes, as gorgeous as a woman is, there‘s a man somewhere who can’t be far enough away from her. To my inlaws in Holland, Obama is a wonderful president. My father in law has NO IDEA how I could see Obama as a Marxist. Oh, and then there‘s the TWO infidelities on my wife’s part… They just have NO DAMNED MORALITY over there – even “the moral ones”. Trust me. 7 years experience. Wow, did I make a mistake. She totally flip-flopped after we got married. I have things IN WRITING about her values, that promptly vanished a month after “the ring” got on her finger. Could I have been “taken” for a green card? Probably. She was hot. THINK WITH THE BIG HEAD, folks.

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    • readytostand
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:58am

      @Gonzo- YOU are one straight to the point, Hardcore SON OF A B——!! But thats OK!! Any friend of the NUGE, is a friend of Mine! Shootstraight!

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  • kralspaces
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:54am

    The Gen. does make an interesting comment about his father during WWII. It seems the people of the Netherlands (3% gun ownership) were not able to stop the Nazi aggression while the people of Switzerland (97% gun ownership) were able to. It is not just our own government that we need to protect ourselves from.

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:12am

      I firmly believe, that the Progressives would have already put us in chains years ago, if it wasn’t for the fact, that more people in this country have firearms, than any other place in the history of the planet.

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    • golfmom
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:34am

      No offence but I think it was the Alps that saved Switzerland.

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:50am

      Wong. The Germans had to cross the Alps to defend Italy from Allied attack. And they didn’t do it all in one cross, either.

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  • @leftfighter
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:48am

    Amen, General.

    This requires a small emoticon of a salute. /(*_*)

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  • Smokepole
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:47am

    This is one of the most powerful speeches that I’ve heard in many many years! God Bless you Peter van Uhm!
    His words speak volumes that actually call to attention the issues that face the United States today.
    Our borders are being silently and deliberately being breached and invaded and no one seems to see that fact.
    WE need to protect OUR peace. NOW!

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  • Beckett
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:39am

    Were it not for the gun, the Dutch would be speaking German right now.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:57am

      Hahahah

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:14pm

      Historically, THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. This is why, if you are a law-abiding citizen, you have better get yourself a gun and lots of bullets, because soon, they will be trying to take guns away from you. NEVER GIVE IT UP. Bury it, hide it, whatever it takes, but never give it up willingly. IT IS YOUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR HOME AND FAMILY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. A gun is the best way. If you don’t believe that to be true, please move to California, New York, or Mexico and see if you can defend yourself there. This corrupt administration is working behind the scenes, as you are reading this, trying to figure out HOW they can get our guns and stay within the law. It might be that they will let the U.N. do the job for them. If that happens, stay tuned and in touch with those on this website: http://www. americangovernment.com/. They will HELP guide you. Because of security reasons, I cannot give you another site that actually brings people together JUST FOR THIS PURPOSE, but soon, most worthy patriots, will know.

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  • ZeldaZick
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:33am

    Christ told us, “Blessed are the Peacemakers”, but does not our Military and Police keep the peace?
    My spouse and I own many firearms, no one of them have ever poped up and fired itself on it’s own.
    Pro-gun, hell yes!

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    • gofigureinternational
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:58am

      Agreed. Much like a car piloting itself intoxicated…It doesn’t happen.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:22pm

      Thou shalt not MURDER. It does not say anything about KILL. It IS Biblical to defend yourself in any way you can – your home, you, your family. MURDER is a different thing. Murdering someone out of greed, hatred, or evil, IS WRONG. Defending the unalienable rights that God has given mankind – in any country, in any state, in any home, IS ABSOLUTELY YOUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHT, whether or not your government agrees with it or not. THE BIBLE IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY – NOT Government or some Politician. However, it must be a justified kill, such as defending ones self or family/home. To plan ahead of time, to murder someone is WRONG. Our military is DEFENDING someone somewhere so they can have freedom, at least, that is what I hear from the soldiers (not the bureaucracy that rules them) and not government. With gov’t, it is all politics, and I think they have lost sight of their purpose because the government is corrupt and needs to be changed out and quickly because they DO replace our beloved U.S. Constitution with the Progressive Bill of No Rights.

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  • cloudsofwar
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:33am

    the netherlands? they have an army?

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  • 123456beatriz
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:27am

    We are training the Afgans BUT they will turn against us only because their religion let them to do this

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    • cemerius
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:18am

      How can we train the untrainable…..the afghans are a pathetic bunch of opium using sheep herders and the one thing we can do as a country is LEAVE and let them sink or swim in their own juices!!

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    • readytostand
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:43pm

      @ 12345be I agree ! We can teach a country about democracy , voting, and rule of law.! But if your population is Islamic and Sharia Law is there way of life. Then there democracy shall be Sharia Law!! I am not trying to make democracy sound terrible , I am saying that (democracy is kinda like mob rule!) and if the mob has a twisted mentality ,things will certainly not end well there! If your populace, is lacking in morals, and is dysfunctional , so shall your Govt., be DYSFUNCTIONAL. !!

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:26am

    Our second amendment right is under assault by the Marxist POS currently occupying the white house and that right is the only thing that protects us from government.

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    • JethroUSMC
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:52pm

      Our 2nd Amendment rights and others have been under attack long before this Marxist POS even came to the stage. I’d even argue long before he was born.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:02pm

      Agreed,the assault on the constitution began a century ago it’s just that the Marxist POS in the white house has accelerated the pace.

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  • Choctaw25
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:25am

    When Guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

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  • RightPolitically
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:25am

    He (the General) makes some great points. “Lefties” who hate guns and claim that anyone wishing to own one is somehow evil and bloodthirsty cannot be supported by fact. When the communists took over Russia in 1917, who did they go after and kill first, calling them “enemies of the revolution?” They lined up any writer, any poet and other defenseless types with whom they had issues. Every law abiding citizen who is properly trained and proves to be a responsible person has a right to own firearms in my view. On that point the Netherlands has a way to go.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:28pm

      One problem with your thought: leftist do not use facts because they do not have any. IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTROLLING OTHERS.

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:47am

    I choose GUNS over GUN….

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    • goahead.makemyday
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:53pm

      Don’t forget knives, swords, axes, and any other weapon that can be used for defense.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:23pm

      I choose, gunssssssssssssssssssssssssss over gun. Amen brother/sister!

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  • OBAMA IS A FOUL EVIL TRAITOR
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:47am

    Unfortunately many of our Military leaders have been blinded and deluded by Satan and are now following after the FOUL TRAITOR OBAMA instead of Arresting him and Trying him for HIGH TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!

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    • Macman1138
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:19am

      How right you are!

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:06am

      When are you guys going to understand that the US military and naval forces will never mutiny. There will be no military coup. The US is not a third world country. If the oath is to mean anything, the Constitution must be protected which means it must be followed.

      The military and naval forces members have the same weapon we have the vote.

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:00am

      @DISMAYED VETERAN I agree, which is why I decided to leave my dream of serving in the military, when I had already begun the process. Those fine men and women are going to find themselves in a very difficult position, split between the loyalties to the Constitution and the Commander-in-Chief. I did not want to have my liberty to act on my convictions restricted at such a crucial point in this nation’s history.

      For 6 years I dreamed of being an infantryman. Much respect to those who serve, have served and will serve. I would still risk my life and limb on my own dime to defend this nation against invasion or domestic oppression.

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    • Rightallalong
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:00am

      Assuming that the military leadership has the best interest of the country in mind is a dangerous thing. In order to achieve high levels within the military is more about politics than operational competancy. Read Operation Dark Heart by Anthony Shaffer also for a shorter read check out

      Truth, lies and Afghanistan: How military leaders have let us down
      By LT. COL. DANIEL L. DAVIS
      http://armedforcesjournal.com/2012/02/8904030

      He said it himself – this article will end his military career becasue to speak out against the ‘politically approved message’ is NOT encouraged.

      Also, look at the list of generals over the last few years that were relieved of their commands when they did not tow the political line. Gen. McChrystal is the most recent – there have been others under Bush as well …

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    • RagingJudge
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:26am

      @RIGHTALLALONG Oh, it’s not even debatable that members of the military are restricted from their freedom of speech. In fact, while I was in ROTC, I was told that once you join the military, you essentially lose your right to free speech. It was unsettling to me, but nothing I didn’t already know. Just one of those moments that led to my decision.

      Obviously it’s defensible that for tactical purposes, speech needs to be restricted. But where is the line drawn? Members of the military are not allowed to openly speak politics while identifying themselves, but is that not crossing the line of tyranny? Aren’t most these servicemen among the most patriotic and freedom-loving of all Americans? Don’t they have the most accurate perspective on the affects of our foreign policy decisions, and yet we largely shut out their input?

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    • CharlesMartel
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:13pm

      As long as people vote for people in the House and Senate who are afraid to impeach, we will never clean out the judiciary from people who ignore Article V and teach that we have a “living breathing Constitution”.

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    • sasquatch08
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:07pm

      @DISMAYED VETERAN

      Very soon you won‘t have to worry about who’s in the military, because there will be basically no one.

      I tried to join the Marines this year, and was told that both OCS and enlistment were impossible for me because I have a four year old conviction (took the ticket, plead guilty, paid $200) for “disorderly conduct”.

      Now I’m trying the Army, and they MIGHT be able to swing a waiver. That’s still not known to either me or my recruiter.

      Long story short: budget cuts are causing massive cutbacks in military personnel, building, acquisitions and replacement of equipment. At this point; good grades in college and a darn near perfect PFT score are not enough if you have ANY criminal background. Heck, the Marines are probably going to deny my friend for having 3 traffic tickets.

      I certainly hope we don’t need that military for another 20 years or so.

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  • drago
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:46am

    He is right, i chose my guns also, and its one freedom no one will take from me, so, come and get em…….

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  • ThePostman
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:40am

    I chose the gun for the same reason – it protects me from the evil people out there. Only elitists think that the little people do not deserve their own protection from evil. The elitists want to mete out their protection in exchange for a little moolah. It’s power, its wealth, its control. That is what they seek.

    But in the end, the police end up being just like the public schools – if you get beaten up by a bully, you get detention too if you try to defend yourself. Go ahead, shoot that burglar, the police will treat you like a criminal. They hate you having any power. They hate you doing their job for them. It diminishes their importance and power when you do that.

    All of our big questions are about power, wealth, and control. Control over unborn babies, control over people’s homes, control of borders, control of elections, control of healthcare, control of our food, control of our air, control of our water, control of everything we need to live. And YOU don’t have that control.

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    • SoupSandwich
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:48am

      I would actually like to see armed “postmen” walking their routes. Makes me feel bad to see a little can of mace on the bag. You guys should get a 50 buck bonus for every loose pit bull you drop.

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    • SLARTIBARTFAST
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:23am

      @thepostman wrote (in part): Only elitists think that the little people do not deserve their own protection from evil.
      ——————————————————————————
      That’s because the Elitists ARE the evil. And not Elitist in the “OMG, they have too much money!” way, but in that the have too much control over our lives. They think they can live our lives better than we can. Nope, ain‘t gonna’ happen!

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    • Smokepole
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:42am

      Amen Postman, Amen!

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:59am

      SOUPSANDWICH, Some postmen used to be armed at one time. I had a buddy while at Ft Bragg back in the ’70s who had one of the older brown flap over holsters for the M1911A1 stamped U.S. Post Office instead of the standard US on the flap.

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