‘I Fell Short’: Santorum Sorry for Lack of Charitable Giving After Confronted by Glenn Beck
- Posted on February 24, 2012 at 1:52pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum appeared this morning on Glenn Beck’s radio program. While Beck and co-hosts Stu and Pat discussed a number of subjects with the contender, the issues of charitable giving and tithing were among the most noteworthy — specifically the moments during which Beck challenged Santorum to give more of his income to charitable causes.
(Related: ‘Proof Is in the Pudding’: Santorum Blasts Specter for Denying Their Past Endorsement Deal)
This portion of the conversation started when Pat commented about Mitt Romney’s proposal to limit charitable tax deductions for upper one percent of donors. Santorum quickly seized upon the opportunity to launch into his opposition to such a proposal, highlighting the damage it could do to private organizations and religious institutions.
“This is a plan that was to destroy the mediating institutions in our society,” Santorum proclaimed. “The churches, the civic organizations, the hospitals – all the things that the government is now trying to take over…and move the private sector and the nonprofit sector out by starving them of money and over-regulating them.”
Then, the presidential candidate went in for a “campaign kill,” saying, “Mitt Romney is in bed with Barack Obama on destroying these vital mediating institutions of our society…” (Obama has proposed similar ideas in the past).
Beck patiently listened to this commentary, then he interjected and posed an interesting question to the candidate:
“You’re absolutely right on that. Now let me ask you a question. I believe in those things. I am a guy who, 10 years ago, was not doing this. And I just thought, ‘Well I give a few dollars here and a few dollars there.’ The scriptures require 10 percent — tithing of 10 percent — God says ‘Give me your first.’ Your tax returns show about four percent — and that’s better than most people. But if you’re the guy saying, ‘Hey…we have to do this ourselves’ — where’s your 10 percent?”
Beck‘s point here is that it’s important for people of faith to abide by the tithe that is required of them (i.e. 10 percent). Beyond that, calling for smaller government does, in itself, put more responsibility on people who have the means to willingly provide more assistance to their communities.
Santorum attempted to provide an explanation for his lower rate of charitable giving, saying that not all of his contributions are reflected in his tax returns:
“Well, first off I would agree. We all have to do better and I need to do better. A lot of the things I did for charity, for example, aren’t on there. I would give speeches for a lot of nonprofit organizations and charge them a greatly discounted fee. That doesn’t show up as a charitable contribution, but that is income out of my pocket that I gave in defense to these charitable organizations.”
Beck interrupted, though, clearly not swayed by the argument. “Hang on just a second. Hang on just a second — come on Rick,” he said. “I just gave two speeches for free. For free.”
Santorum responded: “I appreciate that and you’re in a great position to do that. I’ve got seven kids –.” That solicited a chuckle from the radio crew.
“Rick Santorum, I challenge you,” Beck then interjected. “Trust in the Lord. You give him the first 10 and your kids are going to be fine.”
“I understand…I agree,” Santorum conceded. “I need to do better and I should be better and I fell short.”
Watch the interview, below (via GBTV):
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elrond3737
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:27pmIf you require people to give 10%, as the old testament states, then you should follow the other 500 +/- laws/rules of the The Mosaic Law as many Orthodox Jews do. The New testament removes much of these rules for Christians.
Report Post »Read: (see 2 Cor. 3:7-18; Rom. 6:14; 7:1-14; Gal. 3:10-13, 24-25; 4:21; 5:1, 13) and some more if I took some more time)
10% is a good amount though. One should remember that time/talents is also giving and it is hard to measure. My wife and I give a bit more then 10%. My parents, who are not rich, give more than 50%. Some I know give less then 5% but donate time and talent galore… who am I to Judge?
God loves a cheerful giver.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:37pmI lose a little respect for someone when they start talking about their charitable givings. Comes across like, “hey look at me!”
If someone questions your charitable giving, don’t respond. I don’t care if you give 100% of what you have, and people yell at you and claim you give 0%. Don’t feel the need to defend yourself and give examples of your giving. Give what you want, and give it from the heart. Don’t expect recognition and rebuke it if it is offered.
Report Post »c.rozycki
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:40pmVery true. If people donated more of their time, talents, and support, than just giving the “all mighty dollar”… churches might actually function like they’re suppose to.
Report Post »DEConservative
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:56pmI don’t list my church tithes on my taxes…nor do I list the clothes I donate to Goodwill or well quite frankly almost anything I give to CHARITY….of course I’m a poor guy so it would only be a pittance compared to what these people give away…but I’m sorry GLENN…I think you’re wrong here. The 10% the Lord demands is of YOU not necessarily just of money…but then again, maybe that’s a Mormon thing…
Report Post »little big man
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:59pmOkay here is where I draw the line WHY should Santorum feel Sorry for Lack of Charitable Giving???
Who the hell is Beck to say what or how much you should give. if you don‘t want to give don’t it’s your money you earned it.
I tired of people saying oh well that guy only gave that much to charity.
you know what I gave this year and the last 30 years $00.00
Oh wait I think I gave $2.00 to the reagan reelection fund back in the 80′s while doing my taxes.
Report Post »nizy
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:59pmWhich is the exact reason we don’t need a pastor in chief.
Rick really set himself up for this line of questioning…between jumping on the ‘release your taxes’ bandwagon and going out preaching to the masses…this was a valid question–whether someone likes it or not.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:06pmPersonally, I think that’s between you and God and no one else. I don’t make a lot of money, and right now, am the only one working, but my family gives a lot to the church (money, talent, and time) and community and always have.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:28pmYou know, Glenn said in his interview with Santorum that he is not a shill, well he was not a shill when interviewing Gingrich (I do happen to agree with Glenn on Gingrich) Nothing on Romney, Paul bashing, but his interview with Santorum seemed to me to be akin to Chris Mathews interviewing Obama. Where wer all the tough questions? He invited them all to sit next to him on the couch, one big happy family, Mormon and Catholic. Oh, I forgot, we are all Catholics now.
Report Post »KyleD
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:34pmTithing was not part of the law of Moses, it preceded it (Gen 14:20). Christ fulfilled the law of moses, not tithing. If anything Christ demanded more than 10%, as he basically asked for the whole of a person. Either way I think it’s safe to say if you want to be a Christian in good standing 10% is the minimum (whether or not you include charity work as 10% is up to you and your church..though I think that would be hard to quantify).
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:50pmI’d like to see someone asking Obama what percentage he gives. I believe it was a very small amount. Of all the questions to ask Rick, I think this one was very personal. Not pleased with Beck’s badgering or the way he has commented on the Republicans struggling for the nomination. He should present verifite facts and leave his opinions out. We can judge for ourselves. If Beck is so adament on the Bible, he should be reminded that no one is to add to or take away from the Bible’s written word.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:54pmverifiable – sorry for the spelling mistake.
Report Post »Faith1029
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:56pmThis was just wrong. It is no one’s business how much you tithe. That is between you and God. I can’t believe Glenn tried to make Rick feel guilty about this. I would NEVER ask anyone how much they give. And you never, ever brag about how much you give. Rick should not be ashamed but Glenn should be for asking him. Unbelievable.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:08pmSantorum believes it is the governments role to take care of the needy, so his being stingy with money for the church makes sense based on his belief system.
http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2012/01/11/rick-santorum-a-massively-expanded-welfare-state-is-the-genuine-conservatism-our-founders-envisioned/
Rick Santorum: A Massively Expanded Welfare State is ‘The Genuine Conservatism our Founders Envisioned’
“What was my vision? I came to the uncomfortable realization that conservatives were not only reluctant to spend government dollars on the poor, they hadn’t even thought much about what might work better. I often describe my conservative colleagues during this time as simply ‘cheap liberals.’ My own economically modest personal background and my faith had taught me to care for those who are less fortunate, but I too had not yet given much thought to the proper role of government in this mission”
“I suspect some will dismiss my ideas as just an extended version of ‘compassionate conservatism.’ Some will reject what I have said as a kind of ‘Big Government Conservatism.’ Some will say that what I’ve tried to argue isn’t conservatism at all. But I believe what I’ve been presenting is the genuine conservatism our Founders envisioned. One that fosters the opportunity for all Americans to live as we are called to live, in selfless families that contribute to the general welfare, the common good”
Now…does anyone else think this sound
Report Post »davuf
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:16pmI think most of the people on this post are crazy or just don’t know their scriptures to well. The bible demands both the tithe and good works. You are right that Christianity modified a good deal of the Old Testament laws but they went further on charity. 10% of income is the starting point for Christians. With 12.8 Million people unemployed and 42 Million people on food stamps there is a lot of people suffering out there. It falls on all of us Christians to offer as much money as we can in tithe and as much of our time as possible in works.
This is not an establishment of religion thing. Keep in mind the tithe went towards God’s work at the Temple. There is no longer a Temple, it was destroyed. You can give your time and money to any organization that does God’s work of feeding the hungry or caring for the poor. We can never get rid of big government if we are not willing as citizens to step up and take care of our own.
The 2 bucks you stuff in a UNICEF box just aren’t cutting it. If you honestly feel you have done your portion; good for you. If you feel ashamed maybe you should be. Don’t cry about it, use the righteous shame to spur you to action.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:37pmyou are corect.
Report Post »johnnylingo
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:56pmTithing existed before the Mosaic laws. Abraham paid tithes to Melchezedek
Report Post »20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.(Old Testament | Genesis 14:20)
.. According to Malachi, people were robbing God by not paying tithes and OFFERings in addition. Great religious people who want to get rich by redistributing the wealth of others such as Obummer less than 2,000 and JOE Biden 468 dollars clearly show they have no fear of being accused of robbing that God they so often misquote and whose teachings they wrest. While they practice
Socialistic Communism on the good people of the USA.
Anonymouse.
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:08pmWhat utter nonsense. Beck ragging on Santorum and making all kinds of claims he can’t back up about god will do this and god will do that. What a joke. Beck is a superstitious fool.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:52pmelrond3737
You say that tithing is only in the old testament but you are wrong. It is mentioned a couple times in the new testament. You should study Luke 11:42…Jesus tells them they need to love God AND keep tithing.
To say that the entire old testament is obsolete is a very childish arguement. I suggest you do more study
Report Post »BarackStalin
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:00pmI thought the Republican Party was supposed to be a COALITION of fiscal conservatives and social conservatives.
MITT ROMNEY DOES NOTHING FOR SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES.
-ran as a pro-choice governor
-signed legislation limiting gun ownership
-grew government with Romneycare
I can see why fiscal conservatives want Romney, but NO REPUBLICAN CAN WIN IF SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES STAY HOME ON ELECTION DAY!!!
Obama can’t win if he loses Pennsilvania (Santorum’s home state)
Obama can’t win if he loses Catholics by a wide margin (Santorum’s faith)
most importantly…Romney can‘t win if he can’t excite social conservatives to show up and vote
Fiscal conservatives will vote for Santorum to protect their wealth from Communist Obama
BUT SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES GET NOTHING FROM ROMNEY
If social issues are lost and should not be considered as some are claiming…
Report Post »WHY WOULD I EVEN VOTE REPUBLICAN?
soybomb315
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:08pmi dont understand why fiscal conservatives want him either.
Report Post »1 – he was FOR bank bailouts
2 – he was silent on stimulus
3 – he was silent during debt ceiling increase debates (but now he is strongly against it…)
4 – he doesnt mind the Fed and is not for the gold standard
5 – he opposes real reform to social security and medicare (remember some of those initial debates when he told everyone rick perry is naive for wanting to make social security optional)
MarsBarsTru7
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:18pmGod wants 10%. That 10% is to go to the church, not just charity in general. It is our mandate to be charitable altogether. Not just financially, but spiritually, and in our every day efforts. Government is antithetical to perfect charity.
Perfect charity is voluntarily given, it is anonymously done (or as anonymously done as possible).
Be a good steward – earn a profit. Be a good businessperson. Give 10% to God first and then take care of your family next. From what is left over in your finances, you may be charitable in whatever way you see fit. But always be charitable in your heart. Always be a good Samaritan.
Report Post »We are Americans
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 7:04pmIf you give 10 percent to charity then
Report Post »use it as a tax write off, you havnt given
10 percent. You can’t cheat God
carbonyes
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 7:08pmIn the first place It is absolutely none of Glenn Beck’s business as to how much Rick Santorum gives to charities, nor to tell him how much he should be giving. You were way out of line on that one Glenn!
Report Post »Look4DBigPicture
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 7:45pm@NHwinter…Beck brought the topic of charity for several reasons. (1) Romney and Obama have recently said they want to not allow it as a deduction. (2) When Rick released his income tax returns last week, his charitable donations made the news because it was less than 10%. Giving IS personal, unless you’re running for public office and everything including your guts are put out for public consumption.
Beck pushed Rick, because he’s absolutely right. We can‘t say we want smaller government if we’re not willing to help those in need. We still need to pull money out of our pocket for society’s sake … it just needs to go from our pocket directly to those in need … and not take a detour through the crony capitalist government. A lot of personal responsibility is required to enjoy smaller government … are you ready for it? If not, then you better vote for Obama.
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 7:46pmELROD.
Report Post »Be still and know that the Lord, desires not our giving, but our HEARTS!
Tithing, GIVING, of ANYTHING,and all things, means nothing to our Lord,in CONTEXT. He owns ALL, He controls alll. What He WISHES,and HE does WISH, is for us to have a contrite spirit,and heart. NOT because He demands it, but because He loves US,and wants what is best, for US! Because we are CREATED in HIS Image, He knows, that the right path is to be selfless,as He was, and is. AGAPE LOVE, is TRUE GIVING love, as He demonstrated, on the Cross!
Maranatha
Christhefarmer
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:17pmMeh I dont claim anything and take no deductions. So Glenn!!!! why cant you be cool like me give to charity and pay your full tax rate… lol
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:20pmHey Buddy, can you spare a dollar?
Sorry, fella. I’m a little short.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:26pmI wonder if giving that 10% counts for ill gotten gains?
Report Post »jhp230gr45
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:34pmWell said!…I totally agree…It is important too remember to give what you can when it comes to tithes and offerings..To give grudingly is not about worship because God does love a cheerful giver..
Report Post »Twisted Mind
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:43pmBack in the day of 10%, Old Testiment and early Church days, the churches took care of the poor, widows and the such. Now the Gov. takes care of them with my money, and that is way more than 10%. What I see mostly now is churches building more gyms, fellowship halls ( where they can eat and party) and most do nothing for the poor. I give what I give to the Lord. The way the Pastors and elders use it is for them to answer for.
Report Post »disenlightened
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:59pmSkinflint Santorum, the self-appointed Jesus Candidate, gives less than 2% of his million dollar income to charity. Of course, the Catholic Church asks for 10%, so yes he falls far short. He actually gives less than Obama or Joe Biden! Dumb Rick wasn’t even smart enough to give more the year before he ran for President, like Democrats do, to make himself look better. (Gore and Obama both did that).
Rick thinks it‘s the government’s job to take care of the needy, by taxing the crap out of anyone even remotely successful in life. Deacon Rick loves to pass around the collection plate, but never puts anything in it himself.
Report Post »rockstone
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 9:30pmThe trolls are out tonight I see! Glenn should be ashamed? Silly, silly fools. Santorum is running as a devout Christian.
What’s wrong with seeing if he (no pun intended) puts his money where his mouth is?
Or would you rather the conversation had been about condoms?
Report Post »kayakergirl
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 9:35pmexcellent points! We are not “required” by law or God, but challenged by our faith to do this. As long as it is WILLINGLY and JOYFULLY given. Doing this and trusting God for my needs really deepened my faith extraordinarily, and He really blessed my family for it. But I really admire Glenn for challenging Santorum in a positive way, and Glenn is exactly right to challenge him to practice what he preaches. Discounted fees for nonprofits? Please…I’ve lost respect for this guy
Report Post »crosbycat
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 9:47pmGreat point. Christians are under the new covenant, which is why we are not stoning adulterers and whatnot. I do not like this line of questioning by Glenn. The “smart” politician would go thru his checkbook on Dec 31, add up his donations, and make sure it looks impressive for the media. Actually the really smart politician would refuse to release his records until Obama releases his medical, college, Harvard law, etc.
Besides, its not always how much that matters but where it goes. A few years ago “America’s Pastor” (hah) Rick Warren bragged that he was a reverse-tither, giving 90% away. Only he gave it away to his own charities i.e invested in his own companies.
Report Post »MarcusFL
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 9:47pmJust ask Glenn. He will tell you what you need to give!!
All while he tells you HOW MUCH MORE HE GAVE.
You give from your heart. If you give trying to promote yourself it’s not giving.
Bill Mayer gave 1 million to the O SuperPak! It is ALL over the news!!!!
Rick ONLY gave 4% It is ALL over the news! Thanks Beck!
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:21amSantorum is fake on all fronts. His “look at me” form of Christianity (all for his own self-promotion) is troubling enough, but when his lack of charity belies his Christian talk, that makes it even worse. The same goes for his false conservatism. There is ample evidence to prove he is no conservative.
Here’s yet another good article offering that proof.
http://thenewamerican.com/opinion/jack-kerwick/10987-rick-santorum-no-conservative
If Santorum were genuine, I could support him but there is so much evidence that he is not. The problem with Santorums supporters is that they love his words but they are blind to his actions.
Report Post »Thoughtfully Grounded
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:44amWhen Jesus was sitting near the temple treasury, the Pharisees and other religious persons were putting their offerings in. A widow put in her two mites and Jesus marveled stating that she had given more than all the others because while others had given from their excess, she has given from her need.
Another time, a religious man was in public, and stated his prayers loudly and boldly – denigrating a “publican” who was nearby in the process. The publican was humble and soft spoken in his prayers. Jesus stated that the religious man has already received his reward because he was “noticed” but the publican’s prayers had reached God because of his (the publican’s) humility
If you give, why do you give? Is it because you have to do it or you want to do it? Do you do it respectfully or ostentatiously? Do you pray to God only when you want things, or do you pray to God as you might talk to a friend because you desire a relationship with him?
Why do you do what you do? In this is the key.
Love God, love others – on this rests the Ten Commandments.
Report Post »bondroid
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:43pmMr. Beck,
I am in agreement with you on most everything. Including tithing. But here’s the rub… It‘s NONE of YOUR business or anyone else’s who tithes what. That is between God and the person, NOT YOU or your CHURCH. I believe God honors the 4% given quietly and selflessly and counts the 10% or more as “rubbish” if it is given by someone who brings attention to themselves and is puffed up by their own giving. Leave Mr. Santorum alone and everyone else in this regard. They answer to God NOT you! (Still love ya though!)
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:46pmBeck has been brainwashed. God wants a cheerful giver and God wants you to take care of your own self before give to Him…We were freed from the law by Jesus…and some do not recognize that and demand a 10% down payment to enter heaven…It ain’t so people…He does not want your money if you don’t have it to give….as a matter of fact God can do anything He wants to do without money…It is all about a cheerful giver…not one who is FORCED to give as some religions require…
All I see when people are forced or pushed to give by being told you will be rewarded 10 fold or whatever is that the Church begins to build beautiful STUFF!!
I give when I can. It’s not going to piss God off if I have to take care of my family first…GB needs get out of that mindset and stop pushing it…the name it and claim it group has gone down in flames years ago…
GB can’t make me feel guilty by pushing his number…I get my significance and purpose from God, not GB.
Report Post »comment631
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 3:11pmThe way I figure it, Obama already takes 35% so the least I can do for God is give back the measly 10% He asks for.
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 5:44pmDis-gust-ing Mr Beck.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 5:47pmGlen Beck Is Off Mark…
The ten percent was 6000 years ago when the Isrealites didn’t have a State and Federal Government collecting over 50 percent in personal taxes. Half of all our tax money goes to the poor and does that counts toward the 10 percent. Glen we need an apology.
Report Post »notanotherinsider
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 5:55pmMany have stated that it is none of our business how much a person pays or we do not need to pay anything to God. I believe this attitude is what is wrong with the United States. Us Christians and Jews who do not pay 10% to their church are putting the burden of taking care of the poor to the Government. As conservatives we should pay at least 10% to God, so we can take care of the poor. It is the principle of self government. When we neglect the poor, the government steps in to do help the poor and increases our taxes. Once government takes control, which it has, it is hard to take the responsibility and freedom to give back to the citizens.
Many critique Romney for his supposed neglect for the poor, but he pays more than 10% to help the poor through his church. I think he sets a great example for us all.
Report Post »Jim Bolliger
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 6:00pmI know for sure that if you give Gods share of your time and money you are repaid many times back. If you love God with all your heart, keep all his commandments, accept Jesus as your personal savior, realize that eternal life is a gift and can not be earned or purchased. The Grace of Jesus is the only way to enter the gate. The Ten commandments are a mirror to guide you on the correct path. The ten commandments were written by Gods Hand. Jesus was the only person who did not sin and over came death. Just as prophets wrote. If a person judges another, remember that person will be judged by that same standard. God is a constant and never changes, What comes out of Gods mouth never changes, do not confuse Gods words with the Mosaic laws. They are two different things. If you think that the ten commandments do not apply then you must think God changes his mind. We all fall short of the goal, Be thankful that the grace of Jesus picks us up. The key to understanding starts in the old testament and verified by the new. A half hour a day with the Kings James will open up for you.
Report Post »DRSAVAGE24
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 7:41pmAs far as claiming it on tax returns, absolutely God would want you to do that. Doesn’t God tell us to be good stewards of our money? What is the better use of YOUR money? Keeping it for yourself to spend it how you see fit or handing it over to an evil federal government to spend your money how they see fit? Also, seeing how our federal government is EVIL, I think God would smile on you keeping every penny you possibly can from that leviathan. Just my two cents.
Oh, and I don’t really care what Santorum donates to charity, but I’m tired of him running to be pastor in chief. He is a terrible candidate. He disqualified himself for the Republican nomination in the debate a few nights ago when his excuse for voting for big government was that politics is a team sport and sometimes you have to take one for the team. Ron Paul eviscerated him for it and rightfully so. You swear an oath to your office, not to your party. Rick Santorum exposed himself as nothing more than a party hack the other night. He should be punished by Republican primary voters going forward.
Report Post »CharlesMartel
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 8:22pmThe issue isn’t so much the money (10%), but the trust issue. If you don’t “trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding” then you certainly are not “trusting the LORD with all your heart” and the rest of us might be justified in questioning the paths you plan on taking us on.
Report Post »Proverbs 3:5-6 paraphrased. See http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%203:5-6&version=NIV for the un-paraphrased version.
Hobbs57
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:41pmAnybody on here crying about Glenn hitting him about the 10% has a guilty conscious and this is why you stake your claim. For whatever reason, you know you are not giving what you could so you take a shot at others for mentioning it, yet, I assure you, so many still judge others for their other acts. When you are successful and make a lot of money, you should donate 10% money. Most of these people don’t have the time to give, because they are busy being successful, the money represented that time. Just as they pay somebody to cut their lawn, or clean their house or whatever. I don’t have the nerve to charge the foundations I go speak at, nor would I want to . This would take away from the entire reason I am doing it. As for those of you who want to hit Romney for the 1% deduction thing, you are seriously missing the reality of this. I promise you, the left would suffer the most, not the churches. The churches will always make if they are righteous and honest, this is just the reality of the faith. SO is the act of giving tithe, it isn’t about cash,, it isn’t about buying something, it is about faith. Those of you who talk about donating time and talents are right on, just as it is in those cases, I have to trust that I will still have enough time and energy to complete all the work I have to while donating my time, talents, and money. That 1% deal would crush all these organization who oppose the religion, trust me. People aren‘t donating to them if they can’t write it
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on February 26, 2012 at 7:21amSoy bomb, you dont how exegesis scripture on Luke 11 42. Jesus was giving the Pharisees rebuke in these woes for keeping the old law of tithing but passing by justice and the love of God. You see Mormons like yourself twist scripture to meet your false teaching. You are in a cult.
Report Post »Obeckian1984
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 8:06amCatholics aren’t forced to GIVE %10 Like the Mormons are.
beside did Mitt count his Cayman Island money ?
Report Post »DUNAMIS333
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:26pmWell i guess if we have to give the so called 10% that means Christ died for only 90% of the law. Lets get it right Christ died on the cross and was raised by GOD to do what the law could not. GOD loves a giver, giving from the heart do you really think he cares now how much you give? Give with your heart and by the way why does it have to be money give of your abundance whatever it may be, money, clothes, time, furniture, Here is the deal folks Christianity is the exact opposite of religion.
Religion is man’s doctrine, with man as the subject and GOD as the object of man’s self-righteous efforts,all of which are hopeless.
Christianity is the way of a Father with His family. The emphasis is not upon man‘s doing but rather upon GOD’s having done. JESUS CHRIST is the way in which GOD has reached out to man.
Religion can really get in the way of our relationship with GOD.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:47pm100 % correct, we are called to give 100%
Report Post »Disciple4truth
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:31pmWell said. Too many “churched” people have swallowed the great lie of the tithe. The tithe sermons simply keeps the B.A.R.F (Building Appropriated for Religious Functions.) going.
Report Post »JSchaupp
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:50pmTithing is all about obedience. Throughout the bible God asks us to give 10% of our increase. We do it, because he asks us to. It’s that simple. In todays world our increase is the money we earn or the money we are given. 10% is all that he asks us to give back. Wether you pay an honest tithe or not is between you and God.
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:07pmVery Well Said, Dunamis333!
All of the folks thinking they are So Special and Bragging about how much they Give and Do, Need To Just STOP!
Jesus Is Very Clear About This Issue. Take A Look At What Jesus Says In Matthew 6:1-6:
“… Therefore, When You Do A Charitable Deed, Do Not Sound A Trumpet Before You As The Hypocrites Do…” ~ vs 2
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:15pmJesus died as a sacrifice for all mankind. He is our lamb. The sacrificial system was fulfilled and we no longer sacrifice animals.
Did God institute the tithe just for the fun of it??? No. It was a blueprint for our lives. What sense does it make for God to care so much about the laws of the old testament and then all of a sudden wipe everything away and only leave behind a handful of people who saw firsthand how to live. Jesus IMPROVED the old testament – he did not abolish it. Why dont you just tear the old testament out of your bible? If you base your christianity on only the new testament you will be completely confused and clueless
Report Post »masimo
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:50amYou are right, it is all about a relationship with the Lord, He will put the desire to help in your heart
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:24pmGlenn should be ASSHAMED of himself. First of all:
We can conclude from reviewing the New Testament scriptures that
although there is support for the sharing of material wealth with the
ministry, there is no conclusive proof in the New Testament to support
the inclusion of the Old Covenant tithing principle in Christian
teaching. We HAVE a new covenant and thats why we still don’t bring a lamb for a sacrifice. As Christians we are to give liberally.
2nd:
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. … Matthew 6:1-34
Report Post »STOP BRAGGING GLENN…It’s ugly
West Coast Patriot
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:31pmI agree, as my post on the second page says, I do not use my charities as a tax write off as I believe that is wrong. I am giving the charity of my own free will and not asking the government to lower my taxes for it.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:39pmI agree, Glenn should be ashamed. I am about at my last straw with him. During the same interview he stated, “War, food prices going up, gas prices going up, housing going down, everything, jobs, everything that’s going on, and the press asked — 25 percent of the questions last night were basically on contraception,” Well Gee Beck, what the heck are YOU doing here?
The Bible does give 10% as a nominal figure, and makes a great example with the widow who gave the two mites.
Luk 21:1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
Luk 21:2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
Luk 21:3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
Luk 21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.
So I don’t want to hear from Beck when he is living better than the rest of us. Sure, he gives more than most people I am sure, but is he sacrificing in his giving? It is not for me to judge no more than it is for him to judge Santorum. We each follow our own walk and are moved by the Holy Spirit in our own ways. Some serve by using their time rather than money.
Save the sanctimonious bull Beck, don’t be a hypocrite.
Report Post »HisStoryUn
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:58pm@WEST COAST PATRIOT
Report Post »Actually, there is nothing wrong with taking the legal tax deduction for your charitable giving. The Bible says render to Caesar and to God. By taking the deduction you would have even more resources with which to be generous. By not taking it you are giving Caesar MORE than a share and depriving God of some of His!
hauschild
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:31pmWhy should Glenn be ashamed? He was making a great point to a typical politician.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:33pmHistory, You can see it any way you want, but for me, I will give in secrecy as that seems to be the right thing to do. Beilieve me, I think federal income tax is unconstitutional and nobody should have to pay it. But for right now, until we can get a true Patriot, like Ron Paul, as POTUS, I will continue to pay and I guess I will continue to help you with your charities.
Report Post »Morgan Hopson
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:07pmUnfortunately, I feel Glenn has jumped the shark.
Report Post »Faith1029
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:25pmHAUSCHILD: “Why should Glenn be ashamed?”
Because it’s none of his business!!!!
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:04pm@Girlnurse
Report Post »Luke 11:42 – it is perfectly clear. Love God AND give his ministry support (10% is minimum goal)
BocaBaby
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:59pmglen has become unbearable in so many respects……and it is sad because he had incredible potential…but the Bible tells us it isn’t how you start the race it is how you finish.
he is in the tank for romney because of the mormon thing-that is the big lie…that he was ever for santorum…he just knew santorum would blow it and it would keep evryone away from Newt
well glen, you are not our judge or jury. We have God the Father, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the word of God…the BIBLE……you are not our theologian…..
get off the freaky stuff we have a monster in the wh and your questiong this guys walk with God????? WHO TOLD YOU TO DO THIS????
I WILL TELL YOU….A SPIRIT OF DEMON OF RELIGION, AND A SPIRIT OR DEMON OF ERROR. YOU ARE IN DECEPTION AND BELIEVING YOU SPEAK FOR GOD….YOU ARE A PROPAGANDA MACHINE MIXING TRUTH WITH ERROR……..the most dangerous because the leval of truth you do operate in is good and appeals to so many….then as soon as you reeled them in you mix the vile with the pure and they don’t discern you, because they lack the word of God in their lives.
btw i am for NEWT not Santorum, but Santorum is a good man and you-well I will let God be your judge.
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:29pm@Boca: I agree. I’d thought a long time ago, when I used to listen to Air America and had liberal leanings, that Beck was a jackass. Then, I got saved, woke up, and it seemed Glenn was too, so I started watching his show on Fox(then the Vicks Vapo-Rub story came out). Then he left Fox, so I assumed that the Zionist controlled media was pushing him out… but then I caught his radio show on Iheartradio. He’s still a shill. His media company is Mercury. Mercury is the messenger of the (g)ods. Small g, so fallen angels. Mercury also has 3 faces, and the 3 faces of Beck is Glenn, Stu and Pat. I wouldn’t ever take anything Glenn Beck has to say, seriously. They are in the pockets of the global elite…
@Faith: It is his business, as it is our business, since it became our business when he decided to run for the Office of the President.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:21pm.
Report Post »We give to an orphanage in the Hill Country where a friend of ours father grew up. Give where you can see the work your money helps pay for. I tell you it was hard at first to give as we thought we needed it. But helping the kids makes it easy……………….
self-reliant man
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:20pmI think Glenn does make a good point that if we are to take government out of charity, we need to up our game. I don’t agree with him telling another person what they should give, but he makes a great point.
Report Post »aLinedog
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:19pmTo anyone jumping on the Bash Santorum Bandwagon here:
Report Post »Stop with the short term attention spans. Get over yourselves and see to the beam in your own eye. As for judging others by their tithes and offerings, remember what Christ said of the Saducees and Pharisees.
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UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:21pmAmen to that.
Report Post »SychinLegacy
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:40pmWhat about those of us who have been bashing Santorum since before Beck fell in love with him? This stuff didn’t just surface the last few weeks. We’ve ALWAYS know how much of a progressive he is. Nobody just paid attention to us until now.
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:35pmThere‘s a thing that people call ’gut feeling‘ or ’intuition’. I call it a message from Christ; that ever since I’ve seen Santorum from the very first, he always screams ‘slimeball’.
Report Post »Larry777
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:19pmTITHING
If we wish to see the New Testament position in respect to tithing the
logical place to look is in the writings of the apostles.
We do not find any specific commandment for the newly converted
Christians to tithe so we have to consider verses which may suggest
this teaching prevailed at that time.
Acts 20:33-35 .
2Corinthians 11:8-9
12:13-15
9:1-8
8:12-14
1Corinthians 9:11-14 .
Galatians 6:6
Report Post »KwikKarl
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:24pmYep, tithing was required/commanded under the law. In the New Testament however tithing is not mentioned one time in the context of a commandment. It is however a good example for giving.
We do not pay tithes as in under the law, but give tithes.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:45pmLuke 11:42.
Did you guys even TRY to do any research before spouting off your opinions??? Politics is one thing, but when talking about christianity you should TRY to be less obtuse
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:19pmI figured this was going to come about.. Glenn you had better wake up on Rick Santorum…Look at Mitt.. Was it 3 million he gave to his church. That says alot about a man! I would say Rick Santorum fell short about 6%. My husband and I live at poverty level, but still we pay 10%. It would be so nice to have that extra money every month. But that would be like robbing God. I am sure Mr. Santorum lives in a upscale home.. and has fineries that I can only dream about but we still pay 10%! It says alot about a man who depicts himself as a christian. He should know that scripture, he should know the meaning behind it.. but of course he has seven kids to raise???????????????????
Report Post »Larry777
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:22pmGod is NOT asking for your 10%, its your greedy Pharisee-type leaders!
We can conclude from reviewing the New Testament scriptures that
Report Post »although there is support for the sharing of material wealth with the
ministry, there is no conclusive proof in the New Testament to support
the inclusion of the Old Covenant tithing principle in Christian
teaching.
truthseeker10
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:26pmCareful not to jump to conclusions. Glen has confused general charitable giving with tithing in this article. Charitable giving can be to secular organizations too, but tithing CAN NOT. It is the same but not the same. The tithe goes directly to the church and Glen is lumping it all in with charitable giving. Mayeb that’s how the Mormons view it, but it is not how other Christian churches do.
Report Post »Is there confirmation that Santorum does not tithe in full by Biblical standards? No. Not in this article.
Uncle Tom
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:27pmAbbygirl, thanks for boasting about your giving.
So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Report Post »Matthew 6:2-4
MBA
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:04pmMitt did not give 3 million to the church because he [necessarily] wanted to. It is required by the LDS church you have to give 10% (and each ward member’s tax return is audited by the bishop) or they are no longer a member of the church.
Report Post »Kitkarr
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:34pmMBA – No kidding? I did not know that. Pretty revealing, if its true.
Report Post »Bowlz
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:40pm@abbygirl:
Report Post »“I am sure Mr. Santorum lives in a upscale home.. and has fineries that I can only dream about but we still pay 10%! It says alot about a man who depicts himself as a christian. He should know that scripture, he should know the meaning behind it.. but of course he has seven kids to raise???????????????????’,
2 points: 1. Glen should not be guilting Santorum or anyone in to a tax return that displays a 10% tithe; the gov’t does that through legislation and guilt. Sometimes it seems like Glenn is talking down to Santorum.
2. Why does it always come down to money? Abby comes across as righteous because she’s poor but still gives 10%. That’s her choice and good for her. Why criticize someone about money? Christ gave Two Commands and I don’t see how tighting has anything to do with them. Plus, why would you ‘assume’ he lives in an upscale neighborhood and has fineries you only dream of?? Why are you dreaming about fineries? Is that what you really want? Judging a person’s faith based on an idea; an inanimate object called money, makes you or anyone no better. Forget about the money if it causes you to question someone elses faith.
fightinglee
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:44pmMBA – that is not true at all. I am a mormon. My taxes are not audited by the bishop. haha. how ridiculous. My tithes are between me and God. The bishop may ask if I feel I have paid a full tithe, and I can answer yes or no. Also, answering no would not get me kicked out of the church. That is completely false. I am sure the Bishop would talk with me and ask me about why I dont and why I might not want to. I would not be kicked out, and your donations are not audited. Nice try.
Report Post »fightinglee
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:57pmhowever, I think Beck was trying to make a point more than just boasting. Regardless, I would feel awkward about telling people how much charity I give. I am not sure this was completely a good line of questioning on Beck’s part.
Larry, if you believe in the bible, then yes, God asked you to give 10%. He said it clearly. I think you might be surprised by just how many things are not included in the New Testament that are in the old. Perhaps the apostles in the New Testament didnt feel the need to explain to every Jew how much to give because they already knew. Plus, Christ didnt exactly just throw out the law of Moses, if anything he made it more strict (tithes were not part of the law of moses by the way, but required long before that). Christ took it down to thoughts, to not even consider in one’s mind the thought of sin. If anything the law of tithing went from 10% to not just 10%, but whatever you can. Just as he said to the publican, give all that you have and follow me.
Report Post »johnnylingo
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:17pmNBA and Kittar. Your wrong. Quit guessing and do some research. The tithe is a free will offering. No one is threatened with excommunication if they choose not to tithe. . During the early church members lived a full consecration. Here is the difference. No one got rich by redistributing the money (Obummer and Biden) pay attention. Those who chose not to were not excluded. Where individuals ran into trouble was when they LIED about whether they had consecrated or not.
Report Post »32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
(New Testament | Acts 4:32 – 37)
bkf
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:22pmMBA…You seriously can’t be serious…”each ward member’s tax return is audited by the bishop or they are no longer a member of the church”…NOT!!!! Some of the things I read about my own faith from people who are not makes me laugh…where do you people hear these things? Rest assured Kitkarr…it’s not true….not even close.
Report Post »johnnylingo
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:24pm1 BUT a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
(New Testament | Acts 5:1 – 10)
Report Post »ephraimtheox
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:43pmSomeday you’ll have it all and more!
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 11:10pmWhat hogwash.. first I told no one how much I paid.. second of all.. my tithing goes to no preacher for his benefit, my tithing goes towards building the church up.. to build temples.. etc. We have a fast offering to help the poor.No one in our church is paid. I was not boasting.. apparently someone has a quilty concious.. And the scripture was not about tithing, Jesus was talking about the good things we do .. we should not boast about our our good deeds. And Larry777 should be Larry666. What a evil peice of work! God forgive all of you who mock the LDS!
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:49pmfightinglee
I betcha you get a year end statement from the church…if not then you are doomed if audited…our Church looked into it and yes it is a requirement…
It’s between you, God and the federal regulators.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:16pmI’m glad Glenn pressed him on this, it’s called vetting people! I am impressed Rick was man enough to admit he should give more. Refreshing and honest exchange. Glenn is no shill and Rick is human and admits flaws! ABO 2012!
Report Post »MS Patriot
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 7:47pmUnlike King Hussein who wishes to take that 10%, by taking as much out of your paycheck he can get his greedy little socialist fingers on.
Report Post »lwoot
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:15pmI would like to ask if Rick Santorum does win the primary and becomes the POTUS will he still be willing to do interviews with Beck? I wonder if that would be something frowned upon as somehow beneath the dignity of the office in some way. Like the current POTUS going on Letterman was criticized.
Report Post »christos
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:15pm…Glenn Strikes Again AAA+
Report Post »christos
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:14pm.Glenn is right on this the Bible does say give to +JESUS+GOD+ First and it is 10%…although Rick Santorum and his wife surely give charitable gifts,,,they can’t claim on their tax return.Good point to bring up if everyone gave 10% to the poor and time and tangible items,just imagine what the U.S. look like,,,it would be Blessed by +JESUS+GOD+
Report Post »Larry777
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:25pmCHRISTOS,
You should study the NEW TESTAMENT!
We do not find any specific commandment for the newly converted
Christians to tithe so we have to consider verses which may suggest
this teaching prevailed at that time.
Acts 20:33-35 .
2Corinthians 11:8-9
12:13-15
9:1-8
8:12-14
1Corinthians 9:11-14 .
Galatians 6:6
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:47pmDon’t get into a Bible verse match trying to justify your positions.
Give what you can, when you can and give it with all your heart and no expectation of recognition.
The Bible is well known to contradict itself despite people claiming that it doesn’t so almost anybody will be able to find a Bible verse to justify their position.
Matthew 27:5 And he [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 Now this man [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
2 Sam 23:8 These are the names of the mighty men whom David had: Josheb-basshebeth a Tahchemonite; he was chief of the three.[a] He wielded his spear[b] against eight hundred whom he killed at one time.
11 This is an account of David’s mighty men: Jashobeam, a Hachmonite, was chief of the three.[a] He wielded his spear against 300 whom he killed at one time.
These are just a few.
Now I‘m sure I’ll get someone saying, “I don’t understand“ or ”you have to look at the original text.”
Whatever they need to say to justify their claims is fine by me, but the Bible DOES contradict itself(even so far as to the point that it gets translated so poorly that millions of people differ on how they read different verses).
Just because the book is written by men who obviously weren‘t being led by some God doesn’t mean it holds absolutely no moral
Report Post »inblack
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:53pm@Moderation
Wait, which bible are you using?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:02pm@INBLACK
Same one you are. :)
Those are from Bible Gateway online, but i just looked them up in the Bible I personally have and they are the same.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:16pmMOD
So which one do you personally have?
Report Post »Kitkarr
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:52pmMod – Are the stated contradictions why you decided to become an atheist? Or were you already an atheist and decided to study and find out why you are? Or do the contradictions have nothing to do with you being an atheist?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:07pm@KITKARR
I always struggled when I was a Christian because I could never fully believe some of the nonsense that the Bible spits out. I was a Christian and decided to look at the Bible objectively, and not just say, “well it’s all true.” I then started seeing tons and tons of contradictions. I also saw that things that I once thought of as moral(that are taught and described in the Bible) really aren’t moral.
I then did research on how the actual Bible came together and saw that this book was obviously man made over decades after the death of Jesus. That these writings aren’t from witnesses, but hearsays of self proclaimed witnesses decades after the supposed events.
I then figured that since all we hear about throughout the entire Bible is how fallible man is, how we’re motivated by greed, power, fame and are open to misunderstandings and misapprehensions, that then how could I not think it’s likely that the people who wrote the Bible were either motivated by the things men are motivated for, or are open to the same misunderstandings and misapprehensions that we all are. That drove me away from Christianity to where I was more agnostic then anything.
I then looked at how sure of themselves people of other religions are, and how we look back at Gods like Zeus, Odin, and Apollo and now think that they never existed, so I took the next logical step and determined that it’s likely there is no God of any form.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:38pmHey MOD,
That was a very well mannered response.
Except the part about “nonsense that it spits out”
Trying to make a good impression?
Why didn’t you throw in a bunch of your really vile and nasty anti-Catholic comments that you are known for?
Report Post »KAdams
Posted on February 26, 2012 at 1:12am@Mod: Not all Bibles say the same thing, which is why you think they contradict one another. KJV all the way, for me. KJV is self-confirming.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 12:21am@KADAMS
God has done a horrible job of keeping his Holy word true then. So much for an all powerful all knowing God.
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 10:23am@ModerationIsBest:
Well before we start assuming the Bible has contradictions let’s first get a good idea for what a contradiction is. A contradiction states that “It is impossible to have A and not A at the same time and in the same relationship.”, so when we look at supposed contradictions we have to know if “A” and “Not A” happened at the same time and if they are of the same relation. Unless you can prove both it is not a contradiction
For the problem of “how did Judas die” and “how did he purchase the field” you need to look at the words carefully and know what the Bible says.
“Matthew 27:5 And he [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 Now this man [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.”
In the first verse it states that Judas hung himself and in the second it states he fell down and his body burst asunder and his bowl/guts gushed out. Now we have to see if “A” and “Not A” were at the same time and of the same relation. As for the “same time” part of the equation, is it possible that Judas hung himself and after stewing in the hot sun for a couple days the branch he hung himself on broke and he fell and burst open?
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Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 10:45am@ModerationIsBest:
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Now lets look at the part about him “casting down the silver in the temple” and the “He purchased a field with the reward of iniquity” , this portion of the contradiction I will explain with the “same relation” aspect of the law of non-contradiction. In the first verse it is stating that Judas himself cast down the silver in the temple, while in the second verse it is stating he bought the land in a roundabout way.
See, the verses that have yet to be mentioned are these.
Mathew 27:6-7
6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in.
As you can see Judas did in fact cast down the silver and the priests then used the money that was his to buy a field, so there is in fact no contradiction here. I would address your other contradiction, but I believe you can see for yourself that it is in fact, not contradictory.
Report Post »Kitkarr
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 11:17amMod – Thank you for addressing my question thoughtfully and thoroughly. I think you might want to look at what Mr Proud Conservative wrote and study a little more.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:14pmSantorum gave way more than 10% if you count other peoples money
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:13pmCorrect answer. “It’s none of your business Glen. I will answer to God, not you. I’m running to be your president, not you pastor.”
And I believe in tithing.
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:23pmTruth be told, this is pretty much the answer to any personal question asked of anyone.
Report Post »Dr Vel
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:20pmI am glad others still exist who feel like I do. Noneyur is the best reply. Besides no matter how much you give the Gov will still keep taking what they take. Not to mention; give to who? If you give to a church teaching false doctrine and traditions of men in lieu of God‘s Word then you are working for God’s enemies and will be held accountable. I would rather give to the hurting poor than the high sounding masters of ivory towering bethevin’s.
Report Post »Uncle Tom
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:12pmTithing is a requirement for Christians as much as the prohibition against shellfish is. I‘m not saying it’s a bad thing to do, I‘m just saying it isn’t a command. Find me one place where Jesus commands a tenth, Glenn.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:16pm1 Corinthians 16: 1-2
1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Not Jesus but the Apostle Paul
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:22pmAny religion that requires 10% of your check is a joke. Look at the huge temples Mormons have(not that it’s TOO different from some of the Catholic churches and others). It’s amazing to me how much some religions care about having nice places of worship and nice clothes.
It comes across as, “hey let’s be exactly the opposite of Jesus!”
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:22pmread the third chapter of Malachi. Also, look up the definition of “tithe”.
Report Post »Uncle Tom
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:24pmI’m sorry, maybe you misread, but I’m looking for 1/10. Next…
Report Post »Uncle Tom
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:30pmJoey, tithe means tenth, and I am very familiar with Malachi. I said show me where Jesus (or Paul, or Peter, or John, etc.) command 1/10 of your income. Next…
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:43pmI guess Jesus isn‘t God then and didn’t speak in the Old Testament times. Should I say you aren’t a Christian because you believe a different Jesus than the Biblical one?
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:45pmIf you want to rob God, don’t try to justify it, just keep robbing him. We don’t care, Nobody is going to buy your “where does he say it?”.
Report Post »Uncle Tom
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:58pmWow, Joey, that‘s all you’ve got? Okay, so I guess Jesus commanded us to stone adulterers and rebellious children? Do you happen to do any work on the Sabbath ever (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, not Sunday), like walking too far, or lifting something heavy? I don’t know about you, but I am not under Jewish law.
By the way, you made a poor assumption. Just because I know tithing is not commanded does not mean I don’t do it. So save your “robbing” God stuff for someone who hasn’t read their Bible. They might not know any better, but I do.
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:39pmYour assumption is that tithing was exclusive to the Law of Moses when Abraham paid tithes before the Law of Moses was established so the law of tithing predates the Law of Moses.
Report Post »johnnylingo
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:36pm@moderationisbest. You put down people for building temples. Why then did the apostles go to the temple? Were they not true followers of Jesus?
Report Post »45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved
(New Testament | Acts 2:45 – 47)
ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:51pm@JOHNNYLINGO
I never said all of Jesus’s teachings were good or moral.
Report Post »katamb55
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:10pmI thought GB was out of line. Who is he to tell people how much to give? I’m hoping since he was laughing during that part of the interview that he was kidding. I’m LDS and give 10% but would never tell someone else – even another Latter-day Saint – how much to give.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:24pmLDS should know what to pay.. the are taught that from a early age…Even as adults we are taught it. What is wrong with telling the truth? Its written right there in the scriptures. I think paying 4% tells us alot about Rick Santorum! God help us!
Report Post »Larry777
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:32pmMormonism is a JOKE!
Do the history on Joey Smith & Bring um Young!
2 Sex crazed perverts, who had the Danites to keep the Mormon sheep in place & if any strayed, they had their throat slit, Muslim style!
Its ALL on the Internet, but most Mormons love Fairy Tales and go along with the Mormon Delusion!
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:43pmI am Mormon, although my first name is Jack, and one thing that always bothered me with the church was you had to record your tithe so they would know what you were giving. I do not let people know who or how much I am giving and I do not use it as a tax write off as I believe that is wrong. I give what is in my heart and according to who needs what and I do not ask the government to lower my taxes from what I decide to give.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:47pmMormons “require” there people to give 10%. Christians trust Jesus and the New Testament and new covenant….we are NOT under the law or a stiffling religion. That is whay our churches are small and not HUGE temples for the most part (some are bigger).
Report Post »Jesus came to free us from man made religion–NOT make us a slave to it. We are to trust God not mammon. Jesus wants us to freely give but he didn’t require us to give to HUGE temples and man made “religion”
Luke 12:33 (NIV) “Sell your possessions and give to the poor… “
inblack
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:52pm@Abby
Don’t kid yourself. Lining the pockets of the LDS hierarchy is not “giving to God”.
All that you own belongs to God, act with that thought in mind.
Report Post »blamb61
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 1:46amINBLACK
LDS heirarchy don’t line their pockets. First there is no way for them to aspire to a position. There is not voting or running for a position. Everyone is asked from those in authority above them if they will take on a position of responsibility or not. The highest leaders in the LDS church (First Presidency and the Quorum of the 12-Apostles are men that are very talented and have accomplished much on their own before asked to be in those callings. They gave up money to be in those callings. I’ve been a bishop in the LDS church and I know I and no other bishop ever receives a penny for their services. I think you must just like to lie or you have been fed a line and have taken it.
You can read about the lives of the leaders of the LDS church at:
Report Post »http://www.lds.org/church/leaders?lang=eng
whobkhazar
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:10pmGlenn Beck hates abortion and loves the Jews so ask him about this: “… The Union for Traditional Judaism, based in Teaneck, NJ recently issued a statement declaring that it: “opposes abortion as a means of birth control, but cannot in good conscience, allow abortion to be made the legal equivalent of murder.” The statement, released by Rabbi Ronald D. Price, Executive Vice President of the U.T.J presents the widely held view of abortion: “If the mother’s life is at risk, abortion is mandated at any time prior to the actual birth of the head of the infant. Once the fetus has come into the light of day, its life has the same valence as that of any other person and must be protected.” The statement continues, “Ironically…to outlaw late term abortions altogether could ultimately be a violation of Jewish law and thus a violation of religious freedom.” by Miryam Wahramm. Ask him about this and after that ask him about Samuel Untermeyer and why he wanted the control of America’s money. Beck claims to be a mormon and they need money on earth to get a good seat in their heaven, just ask moroni. To all the evangelicals that follow Beck, read 2 Peter 2 : 1-3. You are idiots if you do not follow St. Peter’s warnings.
Report Post »Larry777
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:42pmJEWS & HUMAN SACRIFICE
MISHNAH. HE WHO GIVES OF HIS SEED TO MOLECH INCURS NO PUNISHMENT UNLESS HE DELIVERS IT TO MOLECH AND CAUSES IT TO PASS THROUGH THE FIRE. IF HE GAVE IT TO MOLECH BUT DID NOT CAUSE IT TO PASS THROUGH THE FIRE, OR THE REVERSE, HE INCURS NO PENALTY, UNLESS HE DOES BOTH.
Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 64a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 437
In Exodus 32:7-14 we read that YHWH wanted to wipe the Israelites off the face of the earth for offering their children as Human Sacrifices to Moloch aka The Golden Calf (See Amos 5; Acts 7)
All through the Old Testament the Jews offered Human Sacrifice to Moloch, even Solomon did it & the Babylonian Talmud teaches Jews how to offer Human Sacrifices to Moloch TODAY!
A large percent of abortionists doctors are Jewish.
Jesus of Nazareth said that Talmudic Jews were/are LIARS!
Report Post »blamb61
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 1:32amthey need money to get a good seat in heaven? Your dilusional!
Report Post »Beckisdelusional
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:09pmThis guy is running for President and the best conversation Glenn “Goldline” Beck could come up with is about tithing? Really? Who cares, the Church is coasting right along, not paying a dime worth of taxes. Ol’ Becky is becoming more and more irrelevant by the day…
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:26pmIt’s funny that the more irrelevant he becomes, the more we see you here spending your time posting comments. Even if he becomes irrelevant to the rest of the world, he sure takes a big chunk of your life. Tells a lot about you.
Report Post »Beckisdelusional
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:30pmYou only see me here when I need some a comedic break. Run along and play dress up now…
Report Post »neverending
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:06pmSo the santorums don’t think God deserves less then 10% – wow – and he guides them all through everything and their decisions – ie run for the presidency. Good job there ricky.
Report Post »Beckisdelusional
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:12pmMaybe God was giving Rick a break after taking his baby from him…
Report Post »neverending
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:17pm@neverending – oops – take out don’t – cause guess they believe he deserves far less then 10%,
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:04pmI’m no Santorum supporter…but this is stupid. Glenn: I gave more money to charity than you…nanny nanny booboo.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:03pm“Requiring” 10 percent is a mormon thing Glen, God does set this “guideline” but at your own free will…not some church looking over your income statement, so they know they’re getting their 10%…Mr. Santorum has nothing to be ashamed of..charity comes in alot of forms…not just money!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:15pmLet us not forget Luke 21
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:28pmI challenge you to look up what the word “tithe” means.
Report Post »truthseeker10
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:28pmThat’s not Biblical. There are plenty of scriptures where God asks for 10% of the tithe. BUT Glen has confused tithing with ALL charitable giving and that is what is not Biblical.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:33pmQuite honestly I had to go back and read Luke 21…this is talking about giving more than you have, which the rich man did not do and the widow has done..tithing is in your heart..not whether you are rich and can afford it..also, after reading alot of your comments, you are the last one to be quotin scripture, whats up with moderation is best…sounds like a “fence sitter” to me.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:39pmHey MOD
Can you point out what part of this story actually imposed on you.
How did it infringe upon your sensibilities?
Is it trying to create a theocracy, or shove anyone’s beliefs down YOUR throat?
Didn’t you actually have to log in here, search through the story list, pick this one, and then start reading the comments before you got riled up enough to feel the need to chime in with your usual snipes?
Like I have pointed out to you numerous times MOD, you go out of your way to find what offends you.
Why don’t you go fly a kite or something. The only thing you would have to worry about then is if some airplane flew by, trailing a banner that said something that bothers you.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:58pmSurprised an Atheist knows about your Bible?
I don’t blame you for having to look it up, I only remembered the story, not where it was located(which I had to Google lol).
Just because I don‘t accept all of the supernatural mumbo jumbo doesn’t mean I can’t find good examples of morality in that book.
Heck, I can find good teachings of morality in Harry Potter. Doesn’t mean that the book is true. :)
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:19pmNot surprised at all MOD.
It‘s your job to know what’s in it.
You can’t refute it, or ridicule people for not living up to it, if you don‘t know what’s in it.
Now can you?
Report Post »sixpacktr
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:49pmWhat church asks for your W2 to make sure you are giving 10%? It is all about free will and trusting that God will do as He says He will do. But don’t expect that God will bless you fully if you only obey when you feel like it. Kind of defeats the whole purpose.
In reading thru these comments, I’m struck by how many fail to understand simple English. Glenn wasn’t chastising Santorum or calling him less than a Christian or even saying he (Glenn) was better than Santorum. He asked him to step up and trust God to bless him if he’ll obey the law of the tithe. 7 kids is no excuse. As a wise friend of mine said one time: God and I get a lot farther on 90% of my income than Satan and I ever got with 100%….
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:20pmWhat church looks at your W-2…my brother belonged to the mormon church in Montana and was told that he had to give up his membership due to the fact that he wasn’t giving 10%…how did they know he wasn’t giving 10% unless they knew his financial standing…that tells me that his chuch was looking into his income…what does it tell you?
Report Post »BACKTALK
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:28pmGODLOVINMOM…You are being dishonest and you know it. There has never, ever been a member of the mormon church kicked out for failing to pay their tithing. Either you are lying or your brother is lying. You need to get the facts before you go posting and making yourself look totally deceitful.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 3:34amBacktalk….As I said…this is what my brother told me…why he would flat out lie to me would be a mystery…since I know he had nothing to gain by telling me this…and since he really liked his church…was not trying to be deceitful in any way.
Report Post »ltcwilly
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 4:07amMOM,
Report Post »You are correct. I also pointed the unique Mormon approach to the tithe and got the expected LDS member response. Pointing out the truth is not an “attack” as some like to claim. I was told I needed to read the “whole” Bible….interesting retort from one who believes that the Bible is corrupt and incomplete. It is Mormon revelation and practices handed down from their prophets which requires the tithe. Ask any Mormon who aspires to the higher levels in attainment of priesthood and they will openly tell you that 10% is necessary. I don’t believe you are removed from the fellowship, but they will openly criticize you for it. That is NOT an attack, it is just plain fact. Also, it does not line up with orthodox Christianity. Glenn is guided by his church mentors and is unfortunately, applying Mormon dogma to a Catholic (bad combo). If the Truth is a “vile pursuit” of which I was accused, then so be it- I will take Truth. As you (MOM) and I mentioned, the term “tithe” is not in the New Testament. Only “giving” is mentioned. Jesus cared more about the heart than what one claimed on their Schedule A.
godlovinmom
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 3:59pmLTC….Well thank you…that was nice..sometimes I get myself in trouble on this site…I’m very opinionated… :) ..I especially have concerns over our so called religions today…the tithing thing is not the only thing going on in that church that isn’t scriptural…like alot of them…Personally I think Glen Beck is guided a little by that wife of his versuses her mormon faith…thats all well and good though…I don’t listen to Beck for his spiritual guidance…but I do like the Blaze..alot of like minded people like myself…Jesus has been so good to me and my family..he knows my heart and even with all my faults..he loves me anyway :) God Bless my friend!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:01pmBeck to Santorum, “I’m a better Christian than you.” ZING.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:09pmVery petty of you MOD
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:17pmI don’t count war-mongers as Christians
Report Post »Whatsizface
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:00pmOh no! Rick Santorum isn’t perfect! My gosh!
Get over it. None of us are.
Report Post »3monkeysmomma
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:10pmWhy doesn’t Beck ask him about his proposed budget that ADDS 4.5 trillion to the national debt?
Report Post »I think that would be of more interest to most of us.
CatB
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 1:59pmI think people are feeling the pinch of government on their paychecks .. if taxes were lower many would like to and could give more … if you can’t give cash .. then give things you no longer need to Goodwill or the Salvation Army or St. Vincent DePaul .. someone else can use them and you are providing for the good works they also provide.
Report Post »SychinLegacy
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 1:55pmOh Rick…
Always so pious after you get caught, never before. Stop the lies we all know the truth.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:00pmHE was doing more than Biden, Obama, Kerry, Clinton… and most other Dems .. you going to call them out also?
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:03pmRick seems too human. I want a perfect candidate that has never made a mistake…
Report Post »neverending
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:04pmFunny how little by little the truth comes out. Oh but there is always an excuse.
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:04pmOh Obama… Never admit you lied even after caught. Stop the lies some of us know the truth.
Report Post »Joe Schmuck
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 2:07pmYea Rick
You’re never gonna make it as a serious politician until you can learn to lie like them one. Get real!
On the other hand, you can’t be saved if you have nothing to be saved from.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 3:05pmDo you give 10% of the top?
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