‘In Defense of Flogging’: Criminologist Makes ‘Brutal’ Case to Solve Prison Problem
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FILE - In this undated file photo released by the California Department of Corrections, inmates sit in crowded conditions at the California Institute for Men in Chino, Calif. (AP Photo/California Department of Corrections, File)
Bloomberg:
“In Defense of Flogging” isn’t a joke, a satire or a thought experiment. Peter Moskos, a former Baltimore cop who’s now a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, seriously wants to reintroduce corporal punishment in the United States.
Don’t laugh: He makes a convincing case. From the straightforward question he begins with — “Given the choice between five years in prison and 10 brutal lashes, which would you choose?” — he had my attention.
Moskos isn’t a sadist or a fetishist. In fact, he finds flogging distasteful. (He describes the physical effects in graphic detail: “skin is literally ripped from the body,” etc.)
But he’s far more outraged by the American penal system, which incarcerates the largest total number (2.3 million) and the largest per capita proportion (750 per 100,000) of prisoners of any country in the world. When the U.S. has criticized China on human-rights issues, Beijing has had the satisfaction of pointing to these figures in response.
CNN’s Q&A with Moskos:
In your new book, you are proposing that convicted prisoners should be offered a choice between a standard prison sentence and a set number of lashes? Are you serious? Do you think a criminal would choose being whipped?
I’m deadly serious. Given the choice between five years and ten lashes, wouldn’t you choose the lash? What does that say about prison? And if flogging were so bad, where’s the harm in offering it as a choice?
Of course some people are too dangerous to release, but these people are kept behind bars simply because we’re afraid of them. But for most criminals, those we just want to punish, flogging is a more honest. It’s also a lot cheaper. Simply to bring our prison population down to levels we had until the 1970s, we’d have to release 85 percent of our prisoners. How are we going to do that unless we end the war on drugs or have alternative forms of punishment?
How would flogging work—what would the flogging procedure look like?
I propose we flog as they do in Singapore and Malaysia. Basically, they tie a person to a large flogging stand, pull down the pants, protect the vital organs and lash the behind with a rattan cane. A doctor tends to the wounds. It’s a horrible, brutal, and bloody process. But it is over in a few minutes.
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Comments (280)
wordweaver
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:52pmSomeone else mentioned Singapore’s caning punishments. Before going on liberty there with the Navy, we were warned about Singapore’s strict laws on littering, the punishment for which was caning. I assure you, we were very good visitors, and it was a very clean city. I like this idea as an alternate sentence for some crimes, but I fear it would never make it through the legislative process in America today. We don’t have the guts for it.
Report Post »ARIZONA VETERAN
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:51pmbetter yet, START EXECUTING THE WELFARE AFRICANS AND MEXICAN TRASH
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:00pmI hope to god you are not a troll because this is going into my Book of “All Time Greatest Things Posted by Users of TheBlaze.com”
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:51pmstupid i would start with you by caning. I detest those who put criminals first and honest people second.
Report Post »As for Az vet.. racist remarks only hurt the innocent and serves the leftist. If you are not a troll thanks for nothing. If you are a troll go back to soros and polish that grotesque things balls a little longer. we don’t want or need your sick kind.
KickinBack
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:43pmImagine all the libbys that would have to be beat for tax evasion…
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:47pmI thought it was the Rich White Conservatives who never pay taxes?
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:40pmFirst of all, give the ACLU half of all the lashes that the prisoners get or kick them out of the country. But instead of giving them lashes, let them work their butts off everyday instead of relaxing and crying their sick all the time. If they don‘t work they don’t get medical treatment or privileges. Let them make little rocks out of big ones all day, I guarantee that there will be a lot less wanting in prison. Let them grow their own food or most of it anyway. Then they will become self supporting. Let them buy their own seeds and plow the ground by hand. Anything besides letting them sit in prison hollering about their rights.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:47pmDo you even know what the ACLU is? I mean its not some random liberal boogyman people tell you to be afraid of, its a group of people dedicated to protecting civil liberties, mostly concerning speech.
Report Post »illuminoddy
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 12:36amthe ACLU is the one who sues america and is funded by anti-american terrorists and quasi-american lobbies and special interests with the worlds most corrupt and deviant of lawyers who twist and distort truth and law and the constitution to undermine america at every turn possible and turn america into a foreign land our founding fathers wouldnt recognize, by empowering anti-Deity and anti-American ideologists to turn the constitution into some sort of fairyland amusement park where the founding fathers were all radical muslim black people, actually, and americans didnt know that, butt he ACLU educates us on it, and turns america into a muslim-black agenda-ridden nation which is anti-Christian and anti-white
Report Post »illuminoddy
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 12:50amthe ACLU is americas premier domestic terrorist organization
Report Post »illuminoddy
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 1:09amterrorists are not called terrorists by muslims, among their own kind
which is just as the ACLU is not called terrorists by the liberal left
Report Post »illuminoddy
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 1:13ami think obama calls them heroes..
i mean the ACLU, nono,.. i mean the muslim terrorists, nono,. i mean, the ACLU.. nono wait..
i think the ACLU he calls heroes, and the muslim terrorists he calls ‘fellow brothers’.. that was it
Report Post »Nathan
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:38pmI look at the Bible. The first murderer wasn’t given the death penalty, so I believe the death penalty should be done away with. However, the rest of the system needs adjustment as well. Prison (like hell) should be a place of torment. If it were, the majority of sentences could be reduced and prisons would not be considered government issued Marriotts with bars on the windows. BUT because our constitution strictly prohibits torment as a means of punishment, though I disagree with it on this point, I would respect it. It was written by better men than me.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:43pmWould Jesus Endorse Suffering?
WOULD HE?!
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:48pmHey Stupid, tell us how much more of the teachings of Jesus Christ you try to live by.
By the way Stupid, we do notice your offensive avatar. But I forgive you, because I am a Christian and you are Stupid.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:56pmSince when is a picture of a broken windmill offensive?
Really
Since when?
Report Post »gmontie
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:16pmJesus might endorse surfing because he made the waves in the first place!
Report Post »illuminoddy
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 11:43pmwhat a propagandist
how much of the Law was given in Genesis?
and did you ever read past Genesis?
you are using the Bible to push your Atheist Liberal agenda
People should Die. and i “would love fr us to burn them daily and torture them daily”, as you would not.. but not really, you kook
and i would also think that “well since i cant, lets just let the prison system abolish the death penalty, and leave the rest as it is”.. but not really
you are just against the death penalty, and theres nothing more to your post
but it does have a strong Anti-Christ ring to it
Report Post »TheRealElvis
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:30pmDuh, Blacks and Mexicans make up the largest population of inmates. So, why not start there instead of changing the rules because there are so many prison inmates? Identify the problem and attack it instead of a stupid thing like hitting a criminal instead of putting them in prison. Stupid, stupid, stupid. It just gets stupider every day.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:39pmIf it took this long for an insightful comment to appear on this website… dang. Thats sad.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:44pmHey Stupid, I figured you’d assault that comment as … (wait for it) …
RA- A- A- A- A- A- A- A- CIST.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:46pmHey Stupid, you didn’t make it, either. Too bad that’s not the issue.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:49pmwhat is stupid is that crimnals get more rights offered to them than the victoms. what is stupid is that honest people have thier earnings STOLEN FROM THEM BY THE GOV. TO HOUSE, CLOTHE, AND FEED THESE THINGS. AS FOR THE RACE OF THE PERPS. BIG DEAL . IF THEY DID THE CRIME FACE THE PUNISHMENT .STUPID IS MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE INEXCUSEABLE! NO EXCUSES FOR THOSE THINGS WILL DO !!!!!!!
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:52pmHow am I suppose to respond to such comments? I did not assault the comment as racist. Far from it, I just merely pointed out he makes a good point that the most people in prison are MINORITIES.
Report Post »Karama
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:30pmI’m all for it! We are far too soft on criminals. My suggestion would be to make it a pay per view event. Think about the state revenues.
Report Post »Doug Piranha
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:25pmSome of you need to go back and reread the article. Some offenders would be given the CHOICE of flogging or serving time. No one would be flogged without choosing it over the prison sentence.
Under shariah, there is no choice.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:28pmAnd I repeat, the 8th Amd. specifically prohibits it, even as a choice.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:36pmI like how people actually fear Sharia law around here. Fear is a sign of … you know.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:40pmHey Stupid, I bet I know what you’re afraid of:
“PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN”!!!!
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:42pmHey Stupid, by the way… what IS fear a sign of?
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:44pmNah thats just a fairy tale they use to scare unruly children.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:52pmFear is a sign of Ignorance.
Report Post »gmontie
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:07pmToday you can choose to get out of prison by receiving a flogging. If you don’t believe that tomorrow they will flog us all you are naive. This is a first down a slippery slop which should not be taken.
Report Post »gmontie
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:10pmFear is also a health – when a real threat exists then fear is there to let us know that there is danger.
Report Post »gmontie
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:15pmFear is also a sign of real danger. Just because someone has fear does not mean they are ignorant! So what you are saying is if someone knows that something is dangerous and voices their fear about the danger they are ignorant?
Report Post »Rob
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:21pmIf I was in charge EVERY loser in prison would be killed,along with ther spawn…. and the illegals…and the Crips…Bloods…. and the unemployed…
It would be a start.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:29pmI would start with the trolls…
*whistles, looks up*
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:34pmKilling anyone you disagree with, ALSO Communist. Man I am on a role today.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:40pmstupid is the perfect moniker for you. idiot would fit as well. they are not advocating just any one who disagrees with them be killed. they are advocating the perpotrators of violence to the HONEST people of society be killed . I SAY LET THE VICTOMS HAVE AT IT! I am under no illusions here. Thier is no such thing as closure. Thier is only the comfort in Knowing for certain that not another innocent person goes through what they have at the hand of that particular thing. You keep defending EVIL go on , it exposes you for what you are.
Report Post »the_ancient
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 1:54amSo if you smoke a common plant you should die?
If you steal a loaf of bread, punishment is death?
How about if your business folds and you cant afford the tax bill and they put in jail, DEATH as well…
I would hate to live in your world
Report Post »drago
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:19pmJust kill ‘em all, and let God sort ‘em out, problem solved……..
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:22pmWhat are you? a nazi/communist?
Report Post »drago
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:09pm@ stupid windmill
Your name fits you, what more can i say……..
Report Post »proliance
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 11:08amDrago, what are you 12? Does your mom know you’re using her computer?
Does killing them “all” include felonies or also misdemeanors? How about traffic tickets? Maybe we could speed up the process and allow cops to shoot people on the street. Maybe Glenn Beck could hire someone to whack people who post stupid comments on his web site.
Report Post »llotus
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:18pmYes. It woul definately change my behvior.If I had any bad behavior. Lotus.
Report Post »canuck44
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:09pmCalifornia and a few other states need to unload their prisoners into a desert camp, contracting with Sheriff Joe to run it in the AZ desert. This will be fairly low cost as proven by Joe and the chain gangs will look pretty good to the detainees whose alternative will be sitting in tents in their pink underwear watching the Weather Channel to confirm how hot it is. The perfect spot is near the border where their labor can be used to build the wall with Mexico.
Report Post »vivrobbins
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 3:07amCan anyone tell my why I can’t comment once,and the crazy windmill get in 20 times? Just saying.
Report Post »SuzanneL
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 3:30amNo thanks. Arizona is paying for enough foreign prisoners. We don‘t need to be paying for California’s, too.
Report Post »zoose
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:09pmAsk you this?
Report Post »Is prison punishment or rehabilitation?
zoose
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:42pmWell I will reply to my own post.
Punishment.
Once the rotten apple goes bad that’s what it is.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:31pmZOOSE< I agree with you . it is punishment. though criminals can never make amends for what they do. All I have to say is this. Property can be replaced.The time lost replaceing it can't be for once that time has passed it is irretrievable. So the time one could have been using for his/her family is used to replace what was damaged or stolen.
Report Post »Now to where I hqave the GREATEST ISSUE! A life once extinguished is NEVER COMMING BACK! THE PAIN AND SCARS NEVER CALM OR HEAL! Those left to live do the best they can with that struggle every day. So for those who think it cruel to punish what have you to say to those left behind. I say let the victoms do the caning.The officer discibed it as blooddy and brutal but it is over quickly. I wish it were so for the one I loved. It was bloody , it was brutal , but it took an entire night for her to pass. I can't prat anymore it's no longer in me. Just hope that none of you actually learn what it is to understand this.
proliance
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 11:03amWhy can’t it be both? Locking people up without a chance at rehabilitation just creates more career criminals. 80% of the people in jail have a drug or alcohol problem. Throwing them in jail without addressing their problems won’t help at all.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:09pmAmendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Report Post »dirtydog1776
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:21pmObama doesn’t believe in the Constitution anyways. No need to worry about that amendment anymore.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:33pmWoop dee doo?
Obama this, Obama that, its like you guys actually believe the lies made up abou-… him…. eerrrr.. yeaaah…
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:18pmthen explain to me how it is ok to inflict cruel and unusual punishment on the majority of the population that is honest but cradling criminals and nut punishing them? they need to PAY for thier actions and if they commit murder or partake in actions that precipitate murder they die. Quit stealing from the honest to keep those things alive . It’s raping the innocent twice and sometimes more. For some it’s rape on a daily basis from the criminals,the bleeding heartless trolls,and the system.
Report Post »1stAmendment
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:05pmCrime will drop the minute law abiding citizens have the right to own guns! In city’s like new York.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:05pmwell if prisons were run like they were in the early part of the century, the dregs of society might think twice before performing actions that would place them there
that being said, the war on drugs is a failure, due to the complete disregard to family unity policies that destroy family cohesion
if you promote policies that strengthen the famly and its values instead of destroying them you would have fewer inmates.
if you brought back labor prisons where they actually had to put in hard labor such as in road crews where you work them hard during there stay, not only would the infrastructure be improved cheaply and with little cost to the taxpayer, they would also pay their own way through prison and learn a trade. when they get out, they would be used to the idea of a days work, and have a trade they could market to help them when they get out.
im not talking about having them work for pennies a day, but minimum wage would surly suffice, and then you deduct room and board from their income. This will also enable them to assist in financing support for those family members on the outside that would go on welfare thus costing tax payers even more.
i dont see why this would be a problem. its not essentially slave labor because they receive compensation thru room and board, have to follow labor laws, etc.
and then tax payers would have to pay less in taxes for their room and board, and for repairing the infrastructure
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:20pmhmmmmmm
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:21pmI am sorry but “Thinking Twice” is something a criminal rarely does.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:22pmNo problem with “slave labor,” see 13th Amendment, noted above.
Report Post »dirtydog1776
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:23pmGood ideas, I have thought the same thing for many years. Only problem is that the Unions would squash any attempt to implement this solution, crying about unfair competition or something like that.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:03pmmake the prisoners work or starve to death.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:06pmSounds awfully communist to me!
Hey guys I think I found a communist troll!
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:09pm@ stupid
how is that communistic? no one forced them to break the law they had a choice
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:18pmSee the pattern?
MAKE THEM WORK = Work camps
STARVE TO DEATH = Communism
See? Its a clear as day. Glennie would be proud of me and my brilliant deduction skills.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:20pmHey Stupid, like the new name, who were you before?
Anyway, I agree that once The Government has incarcerated someone as a criminal, it has an obligation to maintain him or her at some humane standard — which does NOT necessarily include wide-screen TV and internet access. 8th Am.d prohibits “cruel and unusual punishment” — there is no “except for” for someone who wants to take 20 lashes instead of 20 days. However, the Constitution does EXPLICITLY provide for the lawfulness of “involuntary servitude… as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted…”. So yeah, I’ve got no problem with the licence plate shop or the chain gang making little ones out of big ones, or whatever productive activity a warden can come up with.
Hey here’s a notion, killing two birds with one stone — maybe prisoners could do all those jobs that ‘other’ Americans won’t do, and we won’t have the current problem with illegal border-crossers.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:29pmI am Stupid Windmill, AND always be Stupid Windmill.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:53pmThats disgusting.
Why do people keep making the mistake that somehow retribution is the answer for every bad thing that happens in the world?
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:08pmwhat would you do? give them a hug and a spot on your couch????
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:10pmWhy do people keep making the mistake that somehow retribution is never answer for any bad thing that happens in the world?
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:15pmNo, in a perfect world I would follow the Japanese model of the Prison System. Instead of knocking people down, I would rather build them up to benefit society in a much more healthy fashion. But we live in a flawed world were people have flaws, thats why such things as prisons exist.
More pain and suffering does not equal less pain and suffering.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:17pmWow, you act like retribution was never used before in the history of the human race.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:09pmNO MISTAKE FROM ME . NOT RETRIBUTION YOU FOOL! IT’S A CURE! THOSE WHO CODDLE THESE THINGS OR MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM ARE COMPLICATE , AGAIN YOU ARE COMPLICATE ! IT’S EASY FOR YOU TO SAY ! YOU HAVE NEVER HAD TO FACE THE THING THAT MURDERED SOMEONE YOU LOVED NOR HAVE YOU BEEN TOLD THAT YOU CAN’T TALK, SHOW EMOTION, FEEL, THINK, OR EXPRESS ANGUISH . YET THE THING COULD DO WHAT EVER AND HAD MORE RIGHTS THAN THOSE IT KILLED OR THIER FAMILY OR LOVED ONES. you make me sick.BEING WARNED THAT IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE GOING TO CRY YOU WOULD BE ESCOURTED OUT OF THE COURTROOM WAS THE MOST VILE AND INSUL:TING THING I HAVE EVER BEEN THROUGH THEN TO HAVE THE GOV. RAPE ALL OF US STEALING WHAT WE WORK SO HARD FOR TO FEED,CLOTHE,AND HOUSE THAT THING IS TOO GREAT AN INSULT/ASSAULT TO PUT TO WORDS. NO SYMPATHY FOR THOSE WHO INJURE OTHERS FOR THIER SELFISH GAINS. MY COMPASSION GOES TO HONEST PEOPLE WHO EARN THIERS!
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 11:20pmStupid Windmill WROTE:
“More pain and suffering does not equal less pain and suffering”.
Hey Stupid, can I call you stupid?
You may be correct, but prison does help to redistribute the pain and suffering to those that deserve it, and keep it away from those who do not.
Report Post »lhvd6639
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 11:51pmIn a Japanese prison system if you don’t do what your told you will get knocked into next week, They do help to build up but you will do what you are told.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 1:41amThere are such things as consequences whether talking about justice or in general. If you wanna say the prison warden is taking retribution for the state or the people in incarcerating criminals, I couldn’t agree more. It is consequence of action and absolutely necessary. A society of no consequences is anarchy. You are not alone in your anti-retribution sentiments, there are thousands of high schoolers and college sophomores who haven’t lived long enough to understand the positive and negative consequences of actions.
Report Post »zoose
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:52pmThat picture with all the beds reminds me of boot camp in the NAVY just before lights out.
Report Post »gmontie
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:51pmThis looks like a step towards sharia law in America…
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:54pmOh yes a huge step, next they will start banning alcohol then forcing everyone to pay ten percent of their income to the poor!
Report Post »The_Rev_In_Co
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:57pmIf it were sharia law they’d be lopping off hands and heads! Just wait, that will come!
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:03pmBeing as I have no intent of ever calling upon alliar or whatever they call their Islamic gog, I guess they’ll just have to torture me, water board me, yank out my finger and toe nails, pull out all my hair one at a time, yank the few teeth I have left, flog me senseless, burn me, coat me with hot wax, run me over with a camel or dromedary, deny me oil or gasoline, make me pound sand or worse count it, or just lop my head off.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:05pmAllah is God, God is Allah. Allah MEANS God. Its not that hard.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:08pm@ stupid windmill
taxpayers already get taxed for the poor
and some locals do prohibit alchohol……………states can prohibit whatever they want
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:11pmObviously I was not clear enough, apologies.
Report Post »The_Rev_In_Co
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:50pmWell stupid windmill, How does Jesus factor into your thinking? My bible says Jesus is God but the qu’ran says Jesus is just a prophet. Jesus is the only way to the Father.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:56pmSTUPID
Report Post »allah is not god. read the qur’an people i hope some of you will. there are what’s known as the satanic versese. this is where mo-ham-ad speaks to God’s fallen and thus set up the religion of isla.
dirty little secret is getting exposed more each day. and gmontie. no this is not like islam/sharia. people survive floggins. most do not survive sharia.
Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:58pmJesus is Jesus, I don’t think he would care what anybody says or writes about him. I mean its not untrue that he was a prophet right? So whats the problem?
Report Post »gmontie
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:58pmThe implementation of Sharia Law which is true and faithful to Islam IS intolerant of any other religion. It would require a Christian become a believer and follower of Islam. To follow or worship any other God other then Allah would be Idolatry according to Sharia Law which would be true and faithful to Islam. Sharia Law, as it is in a number of Middle eastern countries, implements extreme penalties for such Idolatry. For those who become believers in Jesus Christ, Sharia Law would mean swift and brutal punishment with the last step being beheading. This is only after flogging and other forms of extreme persuasion.
Report Post »gmontie
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:59pmJesus IS GOD and there is NOT OTHER GOD THEN JESUS. ALLAH IS NOT GOD!
Report Post »The_Rev_In_Co
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:10pmAmen, GMONTIE Amen!
Report Post »The_Rev_In_Co
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:28pmGMONTIE, You are overlooking the jizyah which is a tax(bribe money or protection money) paid by non-muslims to co-exist with islamists.
Report Post »llotus
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 11:06pmGmontie…….if you havnt raped, murdered, robbed etc. a person doesnt have to worry. Sharia is for the public and can be carried out without a trial and with the testimony of anyone. Radical Rule. Lotus.
Report Post »stinkybisquit
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 7:39amThat was my first thought upon reading it. He may have not intended it that way, but many people suggest an idea, they think of neither the correlaries, nor the consequences of what ELSE may come about because of the initial action.
Report Post »ItsintheBible
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 11:50amExactly! I say if you like the barbaric ways of the middle east……..MOVE THERE!
Report Post »Bruce
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:47pmBeats me if it will work. Oops Never mind. Just sentence me in California where they let you out early or Minnesota with cable TV.
Report Post »zoose
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:46pmPrison is too easy for those that are in there now.
Report Post »Work them like rented mules.
jedi.kep
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 6:36amThen you are putting American workers off the job because prison labor is cheap. Haven’t you seen Shawshank?
Look at Singapores crime rate compared to ours. The numbers speak for themselves as to why we should spank people. If you need somewhere else to look, look at our schools. Since spanking has dropped, schools have been declining in performance ever since. And do I really need to mention the generation of kids we have today? LOL.
Report Post »what4
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:44pmThe Glock 9mm flogger works even better!
Report Post »kreese
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:14pmBullets cost money–how about this. Set the maximum number each prisoncan hold. Then, when you need space for a new one, execute the prisoner with the longest time to serve. It wouldn’t take long for the inmates to take care of this overcrowding problem—-look at all the money you’d save—fewer guards…..
Report Post »zoose
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:43pmIf you go to prison you need to pay the price. Instead of watching TV, you need to be busting rocks.
No technology, no workouts in the gym and a diet of bread and water.
Those guys have too many muscles.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:56pmAgreed, and no wieght room,social services,2meals not three(no bithcinggg allowed or the cattle prod comes out), no smokes, anyone caughth with contraban hang them by the wrists for a day with hourly beatings.that’s just a warm up. If caught doing “buisiness” with other criminals in or out of prison public electric chair for the other inmates to see.
tied of hard working people getting ripped off by them them ripped off again when the tax collector comes to take our hard earned money to feed and coddle these _______________________ fill in the blank.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:09pmGood lord, What is up with you people? First I see some nice people who pray for others then I see these kinds of morbid disgusting comments. How can you people live with yourselves?
Report Post »Lost Shaker Assault
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:19pmI have had some ideas for a long time, including having to wear a chain for every lawer you have. For every pre-trial motion your lawers submit, you lose a meal. And 7 days a week hard labor. You get sunday off if you have religeon, but certanly no T.V. Add this to speedy executions, and the repeat offenders would disappear. When they come out of prison as old tired men, not trendy, well fed, fitness jailhouse-lawers.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 11:43amI’m with you on that Barbarian prisons should be a zero tolerence facility and corporal punishment should an acceptable practice for those who refuse to co-operate. And manitory death sentences carried out the same day for anyone who kills another inmate not in self defense.
Report Post »V-Forge
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:40pmLOL. funny first day your in a prison some guys beat the hell out of you to show you who is in charge there. Your a child if you think serving in prison is easy. I’d take my 20 and walk.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:50pmdon’t forget the cattle prods
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:50pmYou take 20…you ain’t walkin…
Report Post »But I am with you. Give me what I got comin and I a out of there.
banjarmon
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:53pmOne lash per year is NOT enough…I would say One lash per week might be better.
Report Post »I would make a machine that would give one lash every five minutes…therefore all lashes would be the same,.limit the number of lashes to 20 with five days between until the required punishment is finished.
tower7femacamp
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:54pmhey I have an Idea , Let’s stop putting people in prison for smoking pot
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:55pmbesides I would chose death before prison.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:58pmPerhaps a liberal amount of both?
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:58pmYeah and then the “human right’s groups“ would have joy in presenting a freshly flogged ”individual” PROOF that the USA is a terrible place…….I have a wonderful idea!! Executions happen before the prisoners hit their 25th year in prison!!! Let’s say 1 year on death row is the most!!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 8:59pmThis is one idea I can support, the choice being given in very specific cases; and you can imagine the outcry from the liberal heart bleeders and the ACLU will howl their heads off til the end of time. Yet we need to do something, and this may be one idea.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:06pmWhy not? Delaware abolished the whipping post as recently as 1972.
Report Post »And I’d like to second Tower7: stop putting people in prison for pot.
Should save billions annually.
Stupid Windmill
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:08pmHeck yeah we need to do something and causing more pain and suffering is not one of them.
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:22pmHope I would survive the Canning. eithor way thats for me keep your time. kind of like an eye for an eye, I only had to wake up there to know I wanted the cane.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:25pmhttp://www.naturalnews.com/032547_medical_marijuana_Big_Pharma.html
Report Post »101
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:36pm75% of people in prison are political prisoners (unjust laws) states largest revenue is from the Feds based on how many people the state has incarcerated. Guess when money gets tight and the free flow of money ends, they will come up with any pathetic way to beat people down. If you have ever witnessed a real flogging you will find death would be a better choice than 10 lashes.
This video doesn’t depict what a real flogging is like but, are we really this f-ng low
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/13/sudan-video-of-woman-bein_n_795859.html
teachermitch32
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:42pmTo Tower,
Remeber this one? Bailiff….wack his pee-pee.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:42pmI am no behavioral psychologist. I have my own ideas, but it’s not for me to say. I can keep myself out of jail and prisons. I am not so sure about the FEMA Camps.
Report Post »zoose
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:58pmv-forge, did you ever watch ‘The Green Mile’ or The Shawshank Redemption
Report Post »ByrdsofMisssouri
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 9:59pmI imagine they will take prison. Three squares a day, all the drugs you want, free medical, dental and eye exams, clean living conditions, most have cable and all the exercise equipment they need. Most of them come out with a degree of some sort. Yes, they lose their freedom, but we are all in that boat aren’t we? I agree, if they would carry out the death penalty instead of giving them free room and board for 10 to 25 years, maybe California could save some money. Just maybe this would put an end to th overpopulation problem. With 46000 criminals being let go and the immigration problem California is not looking like a very good place to live. Do I sense another bailout coming?
Report Post »ramburner
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:11pmIsn’t the heart of man wicked enough? I read just a few comments till I saw one lash a week….. We ALL think these things. Why are we so AGAINST spanking children so they never grow up to be criminals, but once grown we want to grant a trade of time in prison for one lash a week? Are we a blood thirsty society? The Bible says Proverbs 22:6 “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” Proverbs 13:24 “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.” Let us get back to the Bible and demonstrate our love to our children so that we maintain civility in our older years. God’s wisdom is far above that of man. Learn to spank the child on the bottom using the rod, which stings, not the foot or fist that damages and it will take one generation for our society to straighten out again. Until then, we will pay for our stubborn ways using an overcrowded prison system.
Report Post »Mannax
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:11pmPain, a wonderful motivator. Perhaps a bit more ‘flogging’ when these criminals are younger and they wouldn’t be in the prison system now. (By flogging, i mean spanking).
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:17pmWhy not make the prisoners slaves and make them pay back their victims for the wrongs they committed. That way they can earn back a dignified life, recompense the victim, and provide a service to society.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:32pmRamburner,
Report Post »A Hebrew speaker/scholar can correct me, but I believe the original in your 13:24 example referred not to a stick for corporal punishment, but to a shepherd’s crook, which gives a much different interpretation. The idea was to reel them back in before it’s too late. Now with that said, I firmly believe sometimes the best way to reel a child in is the timely application of smack in the rear, I just think those times need to be clearly defined beforehand and exceedingly rare.
D0ntTread0nMe
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:37pmLashes please… come on what sane person would rather be sent to the hole for YEARS when they could just get it over with?
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banjarmon
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:44pmThese are over grown kids that did not get the rod when they were growing up…It’s never too late to start with them now!
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:45pmJust a small thought here……….If you do not commit a crime, I bet you won’t go to prison.
Report Post »123gone
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 10:45pmSpeaking of children, what about whipping them as well, and don’t forget women – wouldn’t they look great with scars on their backs? Oh, and then there‘s the old timer’s that will die under the lash, not to mention the lawsuits. YES, that’s what we need alright!
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 11:05pmI found the paragraph on prison population statistics and China very interseting.
Would anyone like to hazard a guess on why China locks up a smaller percentage of criminals that we do?
I’m not tellin, and neither are they.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 11:15pmit is no longer the days of the shawshank prison, chain gangs, the green mile…my husband has worked on a few prisons, he hooked up cable for every cell, along with the gyms they put in, and the medical facilities they have, I’m not saying whip them, but is this really paying for what crimes you committed?..three hots and a cot is pretty much their motto!
Report Post »mharry860
Posted on May 30, 2011 at 11:43pmWhen the U.S. has criticized China on human-rights issues, Beijing has had the satisfaction of pointing to these figures in response.
Report Post »Yeah, they just euthanize them with mobile death trucks. No prison for you!
theonefromabove
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 1:35amScary to think this happens all the time.
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »vivrobbins
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 2:53am@ramburner I was just thinking that a good swift switch to my behind, kept me on the straight and narrow. Only got three spankings in 14 years. But I knew what was right, and what was wrong. Now I try not to get spanked my my heavenly Father. I agree train a child while he is young.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 6:19amYea, sounds like a good idea. Except, the constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment and flogging would fall into that category. Unless your into S&M. Have I gone into a coma and awoken in Iran? There a number of just punishments, especially for some of the more egregious crimes, I can think of but most are prohibited by the constitution for good reason. I don’t know why the incarceration rate is so high. Maybe its the constant blurring of the ounce clear line between wrong and right and romancing of a-moral, even immoral behavior from the idiot box called television. Maybe it just seems that way. Maybe we have always been this way, just more of us to lock up now.
Someone posted that a majority of those incarcerated in this country are political prisoners. Really?I’m sure they mean that all those locked up for drug offenses are just users, not the peddlers and victims themselves. Rapists and murderers are victims of an unjust system as well.
Another posted that pot should be legalized which I don’t disagree with but went on to say they would choose death before going to prison. I‘m thinking maybe they shouldn’t smoke pot, assuming that they do, since it could be potentially deadly for them.
One guy posted that fear is a sign of ignorance. One of the basic emotions all us humans have. So I guess we are all ignorant.
Report Post »I did like one comment. It was a rip-off from Jim Carey that I am now going to rip. In Liar Liar client in jail needs advice. STOP BREAKI
chalkdust
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 6:23amNG THE Law!
Report Post »avenger
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 6:23amdo not break the law and you will not have to choose….wtf…
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 6:34amSounds like Sharia law to me.
Report Post »101
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 7:04amObama orders Guantanamo Bay closed, bans torture…So let’s torture American citizens on American soil!
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 7:23ammaybe they should start cutting off fingers for theft as well. I gurrantee robbery and theft crimes would drop by 50% the first year. When all the youth starts seeing people being losing digits and being whipped for minor crimes. And in murder cases the family should get to decide the sentences as it was thier lose and not the state’s. The prisons would clear out in a hurry.
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 7:26amA choice is always a good option: It saves money and will do as much and most likely more good than just dumping them behind bars where they learn more bad behavior.
Report Post »Edct
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 7:48amWhat….and not give the 90% mexs, mostly illegal, and blacks 3 meals a day and color TV and work out gyms and free medical and dental care…..oh my God…they may not want to come back if you make it more unpleasant.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 9:43amYou flog them, then they commit more crime, then what?
Report Post »How about we just stone them?
BJColter Country Music Iconoclast
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 10:44amPrisoners are raped, beaten already. 3/4 of them don’t even belong there. They’ll just add flogging on top of the sentence. Time to change the Janet Reno-made system, here’s the song for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXvRDmM5Zx4
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 10:55amWhat’s next?
Chopping off hands and feet? Genital mutilation?
Forced labotomy?
Who says the government should be playing parent anyway?
Next, people will be advocating stoning and public executions…
Report Post »proliance
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 10:59amMaybe you guys should read the Constitution. Specifically the 8th Amendment and what the Supreme Court says about it.
Report Post »William
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 11:34amI like it. Prison should be a place no one wants to be. They should be given a Bible( yes I said it) a Bible to read. No TV at all, no Radios, and chain gangs to clean the roads. If they are well behaved they maybe able to work in a greenhouse or with shelter pets to take care of.
Report Post »swehes
Posted on May 31, 2011 at 12:27pmDo what Arizona does and put them in tent prisons and make them work.
Report Post »doodad
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 1:26am@ tower7femacamp: Who the eff gets thrown in prison “for smoking pot?” I realize pot makes you paranoid and stupid, but not THAT paranoid and stupid….sheesh!
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