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‘In Jesus’ Name’: NC Officials Plan to Take Prayer Ban Battle to U.S. Supreme Court

A court-ordered ban on prayers that end “in Jesus’ name?” It’s now a reality for public officials in North Carolina.

On July 29, the state’s Forsyth County Board of Commissioners was dealt a major blow. The 4th U.S. Circuit of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, ruled against the county, granting favor to two county residents who claimed they were offended when they heard the words “in Jesus’ name” prayed aloud during a board meeting. WXII-TV has more:

The 2-1 decision upheld a lower court ruling and was a victory for Janet Joyner and Constance Blackmon, who had sued following the December 2007 commission meeting before which a local religious leader prayed. The pastor thanked God for sending Jesus to die for the sins of mankind and concluded with “in Jesus’ name.” Beliefnet provides written responses from the justices:

“Legislative prayer must strive to be nondenominational so long as that is reasonably possible — it should send a signal of welcome rather than exclusion. It should not reject the tenets of other faiths in favor of just one,” Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III wrote in his ruling.

ACLU Wins Forsyth County Board Over Prayer in Jesus name North Carolina Appeal May Go to US Supreme CourtBut, Judge Paul Niemeyer felt differently. Instead, he focused upon the fact that the county was open to adherents of any religious faith praying at meetings. Considering this fact, Forsyth County was not, in his view, wrong for allowing the prayer. He wrote:

“I respectfully submit that we must maintain a sacred respect of each religion, and when a group of citizens comes together, as does the Forsyth County Board of Commissioners, and manifests that sacred respect — allowing the prayers of each to be spoken in the religion’s own voice — we must be glad to let it be.

Groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AUSCS) and the ACLU praised the court’s ruling. The ADL called the decision “a clear victory for religious freedom.” The ACLU, which joined AUSCS in representing the plaintiffs, included the following in a celebratory press release:

“We are pleased today for our clients and all religious minorities in Forsyth County who have felt shut out and alienated by their own government because of its public stance in favor of Christianity,” said ACLU-NCLF Legal Director Katherine Lewis Parker…

“No one should be treated as a religious outsider when attending local government meetings,” said Daniel Mach, director of the ACLU Program for Freedom of Religion and Belief. “Today‘s decision reinforces the basic idea that the government shouldn’t play favorites with faith.”

But, while the excitement coming from those who opposed the prayers is certainly elevated for the moment, the battle is far from over. According to Beliefnet, seven of the eight Forsyth County commissioners involved in the case say that they will accept an offer for representation from Christian attorneys.

The Alliance Defense Fund will handle their case, picking up all costs and seeking to take the debate all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. The commissioners hope that the nation’s high court will overturn the verdict, allowing the words “in Jesus’ name” to be spoken once more at board meetings.

Religious freedom cases, especially those surrounding the inclusion of prayer at public meetings, will likely continue to emerge until solid legislative decisions have been made.

On Thursday, The Blaze also reported on a Texas County Clerk who was embroiled in a battle over prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance.

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  • rienheart
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:25am

    “In Jesus Name Amen”

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    • G.W. Dobbs
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:43am

      Another attempt to DENY JESUS being God. How long will we tolerate these Atheists? Can’t Christians STAND UP? Repeal this “judge”.

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    • right
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:44am

      “In Jesus Name Amen”

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    • dealer@678
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 9:04am

      Start chopping heads off like the mooslims do and this crap will stop . Boy howdy will it stop

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 9:48am

      . It is not only atheists, but muslims now which have taken a big part in government, (maybe some hindus, and buddists, and satanists thrown into the mix. I am very sorry for them if they are offended. But God said that if you don’t believe that Jesus/Yeshua is My Son and that He died and rose the third day, then you have no part with Me.. Jesus was called the Word of the Old Testament.. (John 1 ) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. (1:3 ) All things were made by Him and without Him was not any thing made that was made. (Acts 7:55) (Being persecuted for speaking God’s Word ) Steven, being filled with the Holy Spirit looked up stedfastly into heaven and saw the glory of God, Jesus standing on His right hand . …They can protest and sue all they want.. but there will be a reckoning..The only true arbitrator and judge is Jesus Christ…the only Messiah, the only Saviour. Thank you God our Father .. in Jesus name

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 10:54am

      LOL It’s not about denying the divinity of Jesus, which even early Christians did until the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD. It’s about a government body establishing an official religion through the use of the prayers particular to any given religion.

      Frankly, as an Atheist, I would rather see all “official prayer” illegal, as it marginalizes Atheists. Pray in your houses of worship. Leave the government buildings alone. But, this country is old and so I bow to certain long-standing traditions that preceded me, provided they do not run 180⁰ counter to the Constitution.

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    • effvar
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:06am

      In Jesus’ name, Amen.

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    • calonzap
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:07am

      I’m with you….. “In Jesus’ name, amen”.

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    • MightyInfantry
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:30am

      @*****

      180 degrees counter to the constitution? Where does it say in the constitution there will be no prayer in government buildings? Before each meeting of the constitutional convention the founders would pray sometimes for hours at a time. After the constitution was adopted the states were told it was their duty to promote all religion, allowing different denominations to use government facilities to hold their mass. Religions were encouraged to pray and worship what you propose is 180 degrees counter to what or founders envisioned, get a grip and a clue how about you study our history before writing a revisionist version that suits your agenda.

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    • boston dotty
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:33am

      wonder if anyone would complain if they said in Allah‘s name i don’t think so

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    • Armed Patriot
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:37am

      @Lesbian Packing Hollow Points LOL It’s not about denying the divinity of Jesus… It’s about a government body establishing an official religion through the use of the prayers particular to any given religion.

      Frankly, as an Atheist, I would rather see all “official prayer” illegal, as it marginalizes Atheists. Pray in your houses of worship. Leave the government buildings alone. But, this country is old and so I bow to certain long-standing traditions that preceded me, provided they do not run 180⁰ counter to the Constitution.
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      I commend your apprciation and respect for our American traditions but you are a bit confused about the First Amendment. It says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”.

      This refers to the official stance of the US Government, not the states. It says, “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. This ruling by the “court” is violating state sovereignty. In the early days of this country there were official state religions. You needed to be a member of the state religion to live in that state.

      There is no such thing as “separation of church and state and this is a clear violation of the First Amendment.

      As you are being respectful so am I…I have a question for you. What percentage of the LGBT communit

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    • papapatriot
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:41am

      These people must be made to realize that the 1st Amendment gives us freedom of religion not freedom from religion. God and His Son Jesus bless America.

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    • Seasoldier
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:43am

      There may be those who do not believe in God, but He believes in them because He created each of us. There have always been those who have been offended at the mention of Jesus’ name. Jesus said they would hate us just as they hated Him enough to crucify Him. Christians in every century up to this very day have been martyred in Jesus’ name. The Socialist Culture of Death Elitists must always attack religion because it is the foundation for all moral and ethical law and conduct, including our Constitution. Elections have consequences, and for the unborn, the elderly, the infirm and for our Constitution and our country those consequences can be deadly. Pray, in Jesus’ name, for everyone immersed in the Culture of Death and work to remove them from every local, state and federal position of political, judicial and bureaucratic authority. As Jesus, Himself, said in Matthew 18:19-20, ” Again, (amen,) I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything for which they are to pray, it shall be granted to them by my heavenly Father. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” May we all agree to start gathering to pray for our country, in Jesus’ name. Amen.

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    • FormerLib
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:46am

      Seriously, some of you ought to crack a history book. It might surprise you to find that the first amendment prohibition of government regarding religion applied to Congress of the federal government. It protected the church from the government, not the other way around, by prohibiting the federal government from setting up or endorsing a national church. States, however, were free to establish and/or recognize the dominant church of their choice. And each state pretty much did. It wasn’t a big deal- don’t like the Congregational church? You don’t have to belong to it, but if the state is primarily congregationalists, and you don’t like it, you’re free to move. The idea that the state should be free of any religious influence at all at any level is a fairly modern construct and not historically accurate.The overreach of the federal government concerning religion is one of the fears the founders had, and set up the first amendment to see that it didn’t happen. The knew that religion promoted personal responsibility and objective morality, a quality that is absolutely essential in self governing.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 12:00pm

      @Armed Patriot
      I direct your attention away from the 1st Amendment, for just a moment, and to the 14th Amendment, specificly Section 1, second sentence. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

      “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;”

      Rather than read that as making the entire Bill of Rights and other prohibitions in the Constitution immediately applicable against the states, the federal government read that as only being applicable to any given Amendment, clause, sentence, or word after the SCOTUS tells them it is in a process called “incorporation.”

      In various Supreme Court cases over the years, virtually the entire Bill of Rights has come to controversy in states and territories violating the Constitution, by way of the 14th Amendment. You might remember D.C. v Heller finally incorporated the 2nd Am. against territories and MacDonald v Chicago against states.

      https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Incorporation_%28Bill_of_Rights%29#Amendment_I

      I invite you to read the decision Everson v Board of Education to see how the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution is, indeed, enforceable against states.

      Thus endeth the lesson.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 12:04pm

      @formerlib,

      lawsuits like this are not against religion. lawsuits like this are pro-religion. if your religious sect is ever in the minority, at least you’ll have a constitutional argument on your side.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 12:07pm

      @Dotty,

      you wonder if anyone would complain if they said Allah’s name? Yes, there would be the same lawsuits. That’s the point. Our religious freedom is our most sacred freedom. Keeping government from endorsing any particular religion protects your religious freedom. Does it make you feel better about your faith to have it inserted into our government? Or does it diminish your faith?

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 12:38pm

      @Dealer – you are right. If Christians retaliated the way muslims say they will they would never even attempt to do this.

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    • banjarmon
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 12:40pm

      When a judge rules, (and he works for the Government, US) in a case like this, He is in VIOLATION of the CONSTITUTION. The judge is prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

      Amendment I

      [Freedom of religion, speech, of the press, and right of petition.]

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

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    • Smokey_Bojangles
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 12:49pm

      But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

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    • Armed Patriot
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 1:03pm

      @Lesbian Packing Hollow Points,,,I direct your attention away from the 1st Amendment, for just a moment, and to the 14th Amendment, specificly Section 1, second sentence.

      “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;”

      Rather than read that as making the entire Bill of Rights and other prohibitions in the Constitution immediately applicable against the states, the federal government read that as only being applicable to any given Amendment, clause, sentence, or word after the SCOTUS tells them it is in a process called “incorporation.”

      In various Supreme Court cases over the years, virtually the entire Bill of Rights has come to controversy in states and territories violating the Constitution, by way of the 14th Amendment. You might remember D.C. v Heller finally incorporated the 2nd Am. against territories and MacDonald v Chicago against states.

      I invite you to read the decision Everson v Board of Education to see how the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution is, indeed, enforceable against states.

      Thus endeth the lesson.

      I direct your attention away from progressive court decisions and to the words of the founding fathers…Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

      The law was set down by our founding fathers not athiest/progressive judges.

      Thus endeth the lesson.

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    • Wayne
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 1:04pm

      Amen to the name of JESUS, tell tell court and the aclu which are all the Devils Deciples where they can put their orders. No man on earth will tell me when and where I can pray. In JESUS name. AMEN.

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    • Armed Patriot
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 1:16pm

      @Lesbian Packing Hollow Points… Your freedom from religion argument doesnt stand against the US Constitution, nor the intent from our founding Fathers to protect religion. You quoted several “lawsuites” against which I dont even care to look up. Uour freedom from religion arguments are moot.

      The Founding Fathers set up a system that ensured states right and freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof. Period.

      Any judgment of a liberal/progressive judge to the contrary is contrary to the simple words of the Constitution, the simple words of the Founding Fathers, a usurping of freedoms and liberties, and a violation to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness. Im sorry if this offends you but if you dont want to hear the prayer put your fingers in your ears and hum.

      We as Americans have the right of free speech, at the moment, freedom to freely exercise or religion per the Constitution, and at least 3% of us will fight to the death to protect this. Your atheism is your business. Do not try to stop our Christianity in the public forum. It has been exercised since the founding of the US. We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.

      Question for you… What percentage of gays are athiest. I dont have a clue but would like to know.

      Have a nice weekend and thanks for the friendly arguments.

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 1:16pm

      You can close your eyes and bow your head, say all the words you wish, expose your heart, plead for grace, and give thanks for blessings, BUT, if you don’t say it in Jesus name, you’ve not said a prayer.

      So, with this ruling, there will be no Christian prayers allowed in this North Carolina government body, effectively removing Jesus from their functions, and if you cannot acknowledge the Savior with your mouth because of a ruling from men, then you have elevated men‘s rules above God’s word.

      I think that is a “no no.” The judges who sided with the communistic ACLU, are in fact fools for not acknowledging that Christians should be permitted to follow their scriptures, and everyone benefits. Now – all lose. Fine job gentlefools.

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    • Armed Patriot
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 1:17pm

      Sorry for so many spelling errors, I was typing fast and forgot to hit spell check. Emotions got the better of me.

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    • woodyb
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 2:41pm

      @ LESBIAN –
      “It’s about a government body establishing an official religion ”
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      So which government are you saying ESTABLISHED Christianity — the federal or the state?????

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 3:35pm

      @Armed Patriot:
      That was not a lesson you delivered, but an incoherent rant. You call them “progressive court decisions”, then proclaim that you “don’t even care to look [them] up.” If you didn’t look them up, then how can you say the decision was Progressive? You’re arguing from ignorance and celebrating that fact. There can be no rational debate with someone who does that.

      “The Founding Fathers set up a system that ensured states right and freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof. Period.”

      This is not only myopic, but suffering from a bad case of tunnel vision. I’m surprised you can even see. Yes, the founding fathers set of a system that ensured states rights, etc., but that system has to work for everyone, not just the majority. I don’t want to hear your prayers, which is why I stay out of your houses of worship. I’ll thank you keep your religion out of the houses of government that are tasked with protecting MY rights of religion.

      Gay and Atheist? Do I look like a demographer? I have no idea.

      @Woody B:
      Prior to the 14th Amendment, only the federal was prohibitted from establishing a religion. After, both federal and state are so prohibitted. And if the state has no authority to establish a religion, then it can’t delegate that non-existent power to any lower units of government, which would include Forsyth County.

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    • kralspaces
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 3:56pm

      When I have been asked to say a brief prayer at social or government events, I asked everyone to bow their heads, wait 5 seconds and only say three words: ‘Thank You God’. I have never had anyone oppose or comment about it. But, times are changing and you never know when that might actually happen.

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    • minuteman912
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 4:39pm

      It’s time to stand ground and say it anyway. Not doing so is denying Christ himself. God given rights, not a judge.

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    • minuteman912
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 4:43pm

      In Jesus name Amen

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    • Cause4Liberty
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 5:44pm

      Lemme tell yuns sumthin’… I live near Forsyth County and I can bet my bottom dollar this means absoultely nothing. The people here in NC will do what the Fudge we want to. We let our pastors or prayer leaders, pray how they wish. This stops nothing. The the offended, will stay offended. In the words of John Boy and Billy, as well as, Robert D. Rayford, “The United States of the Offended”

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    • TexanBelle
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 6:14pm

      Why must ‘WE’ the Judeo-Christian MAJORITY change the way ‘WE’ practice our religion? If you don’t like to HEAR IN JESUS NAME…DON’T LISTEN! ..Close your MIND and EARS…!! But YOU aclu will not win the GLORY of GOD ,SON & HOLY SPIRT by attacking the RIGHTEOUS!!
      ….IN JESUS NAME AMEN.

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    • Armed Patriot
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 6:28pm

      @ Cause4Liberty… In Jesus name Amen. Let these anti-American, commies, atheists, and sodomites like lezbopackinghollowpoints stick their damn fingers in their ears if they dont want to hear a prayer, the Pledge of Alligance, or the National Anthem. I am offended by their offense. What dont they understand about, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” Why should we unconstitutionally strike down the rights of the majority for the rights of the misguided and offended minority. Two people are offended and the Constitution is thrown asunder. Remember, only 3% of the population fought to free us of the British tyranny. How many will fight to free us of American tyranny. I am a III-Per are you? Heres a place to start… http://www.threepercenter.org/

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 6:49pm

      Here is why those progressive judges were wrong; as our Declaration of Independence so clearly puts it, our rights as American citizens, come from God, not man. It was God that gave us the right to speak to him, and he did this through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. No man, no person, no judge can tell me I cannot pray when and where the Spirit moves me, They cannot tell me how to pray or what to pray. Unless of course they try to deny me my Constitutional rights. And that’s why these judges are fundamentally wrong, what they have done is unconstitutional – period, end of story.

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    • krenshau
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:03pm

      @Lesbian Packing Hollow Points, I think you are missing armed patriots point. If I understand what he is saying, he is saying that he isn’t going to look up those cases because they are not relevant. The entire premise of case law superseding the Constitution is flawed. The Constitution always supersedes any case because a case can have a flawed outcome. The Constitution doesn’t change. All cases and laws are measured against the Constitution; not the reverse.

      As stated by others, you don‘t have the right to be free from the exposure of other people’s religions outside of your own property. Public domain is just that, public. Any faith can be exercised in the public arena. That’s the part where the Constitution states that no law can be made prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

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    • wildbill_b
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:38pm

      Preamble: We, the people of the State of North Carolina, **grateful to Almighty God**, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for the preservation of the American Union and the existence of our civil, political and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those blessings to us and our posterity, do, for the more certain security thereof and for the better government of this State, ordain and establish this Constitution.

      It seems as though the court has rendered a void and moot judgement as it is obviously and undeniably repugnant to their Constitution. Any “unconstitutional” act of any of the 3 branches is void and no one is bound to take notice of such unlawful acts.

      The “state” exists “thanks to ALMIGHTY GOD”. There is no such thing as “separation of church and state” clause in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence.

      The “State” of NC is NOT the Corporation known as “The STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA”, That is a legal fiction. The term state means : ““State”n. A people permanently occupying a fixed territory bound together by common-law habits and custom into one body politic exercising, through the medium of organized government, independent sovereignty and control over all persons and things within its boundaries. (Black’s Law Dictionary, 5th Edition, Page 1262) **A PEOPLE*
      Peace

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    • Armed Patriot
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:35pm

      @krenshau and wild billl. Thanks for the support, You fellas have hit the nail on the head. Our rights were given to us by GOD himself not progressive judges. No rights given to us by GOD himself can be taken away unless we allow it to happen. We three percent, that fought to free us from the British tyranny, will fight to free us of American tyranny. Thank you for stepping up. God bless you and yours.

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    • buckster6.0
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:53pm

      bastards

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    • Cause4Liberty
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:53pm

      @ Armed Patriot: I believe, I do qualify as a 3%-er… While everyone else thinks/acts/insinuates that im crazy for saying anything regarding politics and our current situation. They will be the ones left stranded in shock. It’s people like us who will step up to the plate and hit a home run on behalf of the American people.

      @Wild Bill: You got it right! Give them h3ll. God bless both you patriots in Jesus’ name.

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    • Cause4Liberty
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 9:08pm

      @Armed Patriot: My ancestry has its roots in that 3%. In the Battle of Kings Mountain, my ancestor, shot and killed British Major Patrick Ferguson with his “sweet lips.” This was a major defeat for Lord Cornwalis and a major Victory for the Continental Army/Militia.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 9:41pm

      @Krenshau:
      I think you missed my point. Like, by firing in the opposite direction. On purpose.

      I was attempting to illuminate Armed Patriot with respect to his claim that the 1st Amendment was only a prohibition on CONGRESS from establishing an official religion. His claim was that states and localities historicly did, and according to his reading of the Constitution, had every right to, establish official religions.

      My case law citations were in relation to the 14th Amendment process of incorporation, to prove that most parts of the Constitution’s, specificly the Bill of Rights’, prohibitions on the federal government were also applicable on the states, and hence localities, via the 14th Amendment, which is also a part of the Constitution, just to make sure we’re all on the same page. In no way can my comments be read as claiming that case law overrides the Constitution. The case law I cited, Everson v Board of Education was the one wherein the 1st Am was incorporated through the 14th Am. as enforceable against the states, and consequently on localities under the states, like Forsyth County., in contrast to Armed Patriot’s claims to the contrary. And if you want to pick nits, if the 1st Am isn’t enforceable to prevent the establishment of religion at the local level, then it logicly can’t be used to defend the free exercise thereof either.

      And no one is trying to claim you can’t practice your religion! I wish people would grow up on that point.

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    • SamIamTwo
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 10:05pm

      He still is being persecuted…Praise God, in the name of “Jesus Christ”!! Maranatha!!! Jesus is coming, you better get ready…Just another step closer…I‘m actually lovin’ it, if you get my drift.

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 10:24pm

      Post a sign that says IF “In the name of JESUS offends you PLEASE do not enter this meeting”, they would be warned in advance and can take their chances with the wrath they will receive OR they can enter and keep their mouths SHUT.. It is OVER TIME that the MAJORITY takes back the country from the MINORITY..

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    • Falsegods
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:44pm

      Whatever you ask in my name the Father will answer, where two or more are gathered in my name the Father will hear.

      God rid our world or the corrupt governments, in Jesus name Amen .

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    • Falsegods
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:54pm

      Lord God, rid our world OF all the corrupt governments,
      In JESUS’ name Amen.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 12:07am

      @boston dotty
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:33am
      wonder if anyone would complain if they said in Allah‘s name i don’t think so
      ***
      But everyone grows nervous when allah akbar is the prayer!

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    • nptden
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 12:51am

      Time to stand up to the enemy. The enemy are all socialists with no beliefs, except their own ideology. They are simply wrong. They must destroy all beliefs to achieve their ends. They never will. Their beliefs are built on sand. Their socialist world will never happen. Because men are free.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 12:55am

      @lesbian packing…
      re : The Founding Fathers set up a system that ensured states right and freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof. Period.”

      This is not only myopic, but suffering from a bad case of tunnel vision. I’m surprised you can even see. Yes, the founding fathers set of a system that ensured states rights, etc., but that system has to work for everyone, not just the majority. I don’t want to hear your prayers, which is why I stay out of your houses of worship. I’ll thank you keep your religion out of the houses of government that are tasked with protecting MY rights of religion.
      ***
      Please my I enter in a bit of history? In the days our Constitution was written, only a few major cities had separate places of government. In much of the outlying areas there were multi-purpose buildings, usually built as a combination church/school but generally used for polling places, local government meetings and emergency shelters. Since these buildings were churches it would have been ridiculous to have argued against prayer and Bible reading in them. Perhaps that’s why the main reading textbook WAS the Bible, and each school day started with prayer. Of course in those days the people didn’t have a massive welfare state, and depended on God, not government to protect them from the vagaries of day-to-day living. As such the people considered themselves the hands of God to help their neighbor. Please, Lord Jesus give us such a consideration!

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 1:43am

      To those that say the 1st Amendment only applies to the Federal Government, I guess you have no problem with a State accepting Sharia Law, I mean a State would be free to establish Islam as the State’re official religon.

      Where we to accepted the legal theories of Armed Confederate, than after the 10th Amendment, the remaining amendments are meaningless, as history ended when the ink dried on the Original Consititon. The Founders were flawed individuals, men, not gods as Beck and others make them out to be. The Founders allowed the institution of slavery to continue.

      The problem with State pray is who writes it, maybe a Catholic, then the Baptists would be upset, an Imam, but that might upset the rabbis, what about a Hindu or a Shinto. Whose pray to use?

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 3:12am

      There was never a time when the DIVINITY of JESUS was denied. TOOTS. These people get a few half-truths…like names of special world wide meetings and conferences and then make up their pitiful facts.

      JESUS IS LORD of ALL. GOD CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH. JESUS WILL COME AGAIN. MARANATHA….all of you silly, childish, self-centered little twerps will be awestruck at his POWER and MAGNITUDE. How I pity you. HOW I THANK GOD I AM NOT LIKE YOU. What on earth are you living for? How can a brain work that says “I created myself” when not even the chair they sit upon created itself…it had to be designed and built. THEY are a waste of time. We are in the END TIMES for sure. For those of us BLESSED enough to believe, I recommend not taking the ATHEIST BAIT anymore…let them hang in oblivion … treat them like mindless trolls. IN JESUS’S NAME…AMEN and AMEN!!

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    • henryKnox
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 12:04pm

      The constitution forbids the FEDERAL gov’t of establishing a religion. However, local and states are free to acknowledge the mores of their community. This is the way it was written and this is the way it should be. We want to be free of the federal edict in our communities and let the federal gov‘t take care of it’s business outlined specifically in the Constitution. The left should learn a little tolerance for other people’s beliefs. Tolerance has never been a Socialist characteristic, considering how many mass murders have been committed in the name of Socialism/Communism/Fascism.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 12:36pm

      @Mil Mom:
      I’m sure that was so. We were a relatively poor nation/colonies for a long time. Creating a building just for the government, which was small back then, made no financial sense. Using the next biggest building for government purposes made sense. Further, most of this took place PRIOR to the ratification of the Constitution.

      @Henry Knox:
      *sigh*

      Okay, I don’t truly believe that you truly adhere to the letter of that last post, but I’ve gotta bite on it.

      I detailed, quite clearly, in my earlier post to Armed Patriot how you are just plain wrong in any claim that the Constitutional prohibition against an establishment of religion is not enforceable against states and localities. Any continued claim thereof is just evidence of illiteracy and/or insanity.

      Further, no one is claiming that anyone is forbidden from freely exercising their religion, but there are three distinct spheres of American life: The private, the public, and the government. You can do anything you want to in private, provided it doesn’t cause criminal harm. You are a little less privileged once you move into the public sphere, because there you CAN interact with others. And you are even less privileged when you move into the government sphere, because there, you HAVE TO interact with others.

      The government sphere is for everybody, not just Christians. Keep YOUR Christian prayers out of MY government.

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    • HD Veteran
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 5:26pm

      GW Dobbs makes a great point. In Jesus Name, amen.

      Liberals: Al small words, no need to sound out.

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    • LibertarianForLife
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 5:30pm

      This doesn’t make sense to me, and i happen to be a militant atheist. If someone wants to pray to their imaginary friend.. let them do it. As long as they aren’t trying to include others or being coercive, no issue to me.

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 7:32pm

      @Libertarian for Life:
      That’s the point exactly. They ARE trying to include everyone else. We‘re talking about praying to open a Commissioner’s meeting in Forsyth County, Virginia. I guarantee you, there are people in their jurisdictions who are not rabid psychochristians. They can’t establish that the official religion of Forsyth Co. is Christianity by praying “in Jesus’ name” to open a meeting for the official work of government.

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    • Armed Patriot
      Posted on August 8, 2011 at 7:52am

      Lesbian Packing Hollow Points… “We‘re talking about praying to open a Commissioner’s meeting in Forsyth County, Virginia. I guarantee you, there are people in their jurisdictions who are not rabid psychochristians. They can’t establish that the official religion of Forsyth Co. is Christianity by praying “in Jesus’ name” to open a meeting for the official work of government.

      WOW!!! Now your a militant atheist??? rabid psychochristians??? establish that the official religion of Forsyth Co. is Christianity??? Im soooo sorry you are offended by three little words that 80% of the US believes in. Its time somebody told you sissy little activists that if you dont like it STICK YOUR DAMN FINGERS IN YOUR EARS AND HUM. You dont have the right of freedom from religion.

      If we must endure your gay pride parades you gotta endure too. Which is less moral.

      I pray for you to find Him, in Jesus name, Amen.

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    • Trance
      Posted on August 8, 2011 at 10:40am

      @Lesbianpackinghollowpoints – Very well stated. It’s rare when I find somebody else posting that not only understands the constitution as it relates to religion, but can argue it in such a civil manner. I think the “psychochristian” snipe was a bit counterproductive, but meh… Keep fighting the good fight.

      Unfortunately, many of the counterarguments are also correct. I agree that the minority should not be telling the majority when and where to pray. I will stand by you and give my life to protect your rights to religious freedoms.

      However, the argument is specifically about what the government may or may not do as it relates to religion. Since your individual or collective rights are never called into question, your correct posts are moot as it relates to this discussion. I sincerely do not know if you are meaning to restate the individual religious rights that nobody is arguing, or if you are arguing for the rights of your local government to establish your preferred religion.

      In closing, if you are arguing that nobody should be allowed to say how you can worship, you are correct. If you are arguing that government should be allowed to lead the community in worship, your arguments are easily countered by the constitution and common sense.

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    • Tim Law
      Posted on August 8, 2011 at 12:38pm

      In our Lord Jesus name Amen

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  • Rayneman
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:23am

    Prayer has been part of this nations public life from its conception, though its painful and bloody birth, in thanksgiving or petition those who believe have lifted their voices to heaven from the public square and the halls of earthly power. To rule against the free exercise of religion whether public or private is to deny our history, tradition, and law.

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 12:02pm

      We want to be free to practice our religion. We don’t want the government to tell us when or how to pray. Imagine a county controlled by muslims, where government officials started off the meeting with “Praise Allah . . . .”

      The first amendment protects our religious liberty, not only when we are in the majority, but when we are in the minority. Don’t believe me? Ask mormons about when government impeded their ability to worship.

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    • JGraham III
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 6:42pm

      The time may be here that we Christians might have to echo what Peter James and John had to tell the Sanhedrin when they were ordered to stop mentioning the name of Jesus Christ: “whether it be right in the sight of God to harken unto you more than to God, you judge. For we cannot but speak the things that we have both seen and heard.“ When they went out and spoke in His name anyway and were again hauled before the ”court“ they said ”we ought to obey God rather than men.” I for one am not going to let some piss-ant lawyer from the ACLU buffalo me into silence. My God is bigger than theirs anyway. Its time the Church in this country realized that and stopped trying to make friends with the world.

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  • TEXASGRANNY73
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:20am

    To tomferrari,

    AMEN!.

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 2:28pm

      The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom & instruction. Those who believe there is One God does well; The devils also believe and tremble, (James 2:19)
      There would be mockers in the last time who walk after their ungodly lusts. (Jude 18)

      Pray, Pray, Pray for the USA, in Jesus Name.

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  • cassandra
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:14am

    these atheist don’t even know what seperation of church and state means, They need to get David Barton to go to court with this case I’m sooooo sick of these idiots that have no idea what our history is,and what it means to be American

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    • Applehead
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:21am

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    • antrancher
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:28am

      Why do they even care?????

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    • Lotus4115
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:31am

      In a court case Barton would be exposed for liar he is!

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    • holy ghostbuster
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 9:59am

      @Cassandra – apparently the courts don’t know what it means either because there have been so many different opinions handed down by different courts. This government entity was clearly showing a preference for one religion over others. That is a problem. If they allowed prayer for every religious group out there, there would be know time for the meeting. Keep religion out of governing.

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    • NEAF
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 10:19am

      They know history, but they don’t care. They love bulling Christianity. I cannot blame them, for they are doing their father’s job. I will blame Christians for we are complacency, too comfit, with nice buildings, once at week, 3 times at year, emotional preaching, water down gospel, tickle my ears, make me feel good, I am too busy, …

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    • Paraclete
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 10:55am

      Cassandra,
      I concur, the uneducated seem to have a foot hold on power in this country, for now.
      We know, “Who’s who in the Zoo.”
      And they WILL pay, and dearly I might add, for their ignorance and crimes upon Our Constitution.
      And crimes against “AMERICAN CITIZENS”.
      Then, they WILL be tried, again, in the highest court there is…..GODS’ court.
      There they will have to answer for their rejection of JESUS CHRIST.
      I KNOW they’ll be singing a different tune then………but it will be too late for them.
      Oh well………………

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    • HankScram
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 12:14pm

      Cassandra,

      Go read all of the U.S. Supreme Court decisions regarding the issue.

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  • streetrodder
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:12am

    Two people were offended? What about all the rest of the people that are not. When did we go to minority rule.

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    • huckleberry, 1 ea.
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 9:09am

      I like the idea of everyone else in the meeting saying “In Jesus’ name, Amen” at the end of the prayer instead of just putting it on the shoulders of whomever is saying the opening prayer. Time for the majority to speak up.

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 10:37am

      Now I’m definately NOT sticking up for atheists here, I consider myself a devout Catholic. I start my day with a Saint Michael Chaplet followed by a Rosary, another Rosary mid day followed by a Divine Mercy Chaplet at 3:00 pm and a final Rosary at 9:30 pm. I fast on Thursdays for the unborn and again on Fridays in atonement for the sins of the world. I confess EVERY Saturday at 3:00 pm, then pray a Rosary and receive the Eucharist in a state of Grace at the 4:30 Vigil Mass. My point being, I consider myself a devout Catholic.

      But…to answer your question about when we went to a minority rule, I must say that minority rule was the initial intent of our founders. It’s the difference between a democracy and a republic. In a democracy, the mob rules. So if us men outnumbered women, we could vote rape legal. But our founders gave us a constitutional republic which guarantees the rights of the minority against the will of the majority. Of course this only refers to those inalienable rights that are endowed to us at birth by our creator. Whether you believe that creator was God or mother nature is a moot point here IMO. The important thing to remember is that they believed that when you come into this world, you come with certain rights that begin with the right to own yourself, a property right. And because you own yourself, you have a right to do whatever you please as long as you’re not harming another. I personally believe that creator was God, you believe what you will!

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 1:14am

      @dudley do right
      re : But…to answer your question about when we went to a minority rule, I must say that minority rule was the initial intent of our founders. It’s the difference between a democracy and a republic. In a democracy, the mob rules. So if us men outnumbered women, we could vote rape legal. But our founders gave us a constitutional republic which guarantees the rights of the minority against the will of the majority.
      ***
      The Constitution does not say minority rule, it says Freedom of, this is one of the fallacies they’ve been teaching for the last 15 yrs or so in the schools. The minority is no more meant to rule tha majority, than the mob to rule! Rather each is to enjoy freedom, unless it infringes on another’s freedom! THIS IS CALLED SELF RULE, and to enforce it, we have a Representative Republic. The founders did not envision the minority being able to control the majority any more than the opposite. Neither did they envision the massive amount of laws and regulations which would strangle this little Republic they were establishing!

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  • lubo54
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:10am

    Mr. Butcher,
    I will pray for you in Jesus’ glorious name. Amen

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  • Lotus4115
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:04am

    Crybabies for Christ, do the research and you soon find that Christians have been crying about how persecuted they are and have been throughout the history of this country. Makes me sick, separation means separation, get over it!

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    • poetopoet
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:21am

      Damn the abortion failed, someone please at least, cut his imbecilic cord.

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    • Coralchristie
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:29am

      Read and understand the Constitution! The separation only meant that there should NOT be a FEDERALLY sponsored religion. States in the early years of the country were free to have a state religion. Progressives in the judicial system were the ones who decided that they should change the meaning to, “no reference to Christianity” and a total separation of anything involving our government, whether state or federal, from religion….especially Christianity. There’s a big difference between whining over imagined injustice and sounding the warning bells that freedom is being lost. If Christians do not speak up to maintain their freedom of religion, those who desire no religion whatsoever will run roughshod over them and all others who came to this land for freedom’s sake.

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    • antrancher
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:32am

      It means the government cannot interfere with church business. It is freedom of religion. You are ignorant of the law. Why do you even care? Heathens will be heathens!

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 9:17am

      Lotus…You need to show me where it says the words “seperation of Church and State” Since you don’t know thw Constitution, could you just move to Cuba because you are interfering with my pursuit of happiness.

      Its the uninformed like you that makes this Nation weak. You sicken me.

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    • NWalters78
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 9:46am

      Lotus, you are a poster child for retroactive abortion. You’re also the most INHUMAN so-called humanist here. STFU and go back to Hell where you belong.

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    • Paraclete
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:24am

      Mr. Lotus,
      Christians are persecuted for the simple fact that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
      And those who are true believers and followers of Christ are attacked by Satan and his minions.
      We don‘t don’t whine, but we endure those attacks.
      For Our Lord said they hated Him first, so why should be treated any differently.
      It is an honor to be associate with the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
      And it should be an embarrassment for any who is so ignorant as to be deceived, and blinded, by the world.
      You, my friend, and many others have taken Satan’s lies, “Hook line and sinker.”
      When one finally comes to a point in their life, when they realize that there is more to life than self.
      By the GRACE of God, and the illumination of the HOLY SPIRIT, one comes to see the truth and understand why we are in this world.
      First and foremost, to give praise to and glorify God for what He has done. In creation and in our lives.
      Secondly, to mirror Christ in our lives to win the lost to God through Christ.
      To let mankind know that there is freedom from sin, and the chains of death.
      The chains of the world grab hold upon those who are lured into the attractiveness of sin.
      The free gift of salvation is offered to all, and any, who would call upon the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. That includes you too. And anyone else who would do so.
      Jesus Christ died in our place upon that cruel tree.
      He paid the price for the wages of sin, that God demands.
      Christ exchanged His robes of right

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    • Paraclete
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:37am

      To finish ……Christ exchanged His robes of righteousness for our rags of sin.
      He paid our debt for redemption and restoration of fellowship unto God.
      Even though you, and many others, are hostile to Christians, we still pray for you.

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    • southerngal
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 2:35pm

      “But, while the excrement coming from those who opposed the prayers is certainly elevated for the moment,”

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  • Danola
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:57am

    True story; ACLU dropped lawsuit and ran away from small town after the citizens responded with small white crosses in their yards. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/frankenmuth.asp

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  • eflan32
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:55am

    Congress shalll make no law respectiing an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING the FREE exercise thereof; or ABRIDGING the freedom of SPEECH. Where in these words does it say that you cannot offend someone by using Jesus’ name?

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    • poetopoet
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:14am

      Can’t you read? It says “Congress shall make laws disrespecting the establishment of religions, and PROHIBIT the FREE exercise thereof; and abridge the freedom of SPEECH? Lesson you Redneck I went Harvard like Obama, it does no damn good iffen yous got knoes degree in Obonics leek us, so their.

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    • henryKnox
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 12:11pm

      Actually, I don‘t see ’Congress’ involved in any way with this story. The community mores should rule in the case of local politics. The 10th amendment clearly states that this sort of controversy should be handled locally and strictly speaking the Supreme Court has no business being involved in local business.

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  • StevenL1955
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:53am

    Lord, have mercy upon them, they know not what they do, In Jesus name, Amen.

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:50am

    This ruling only applies to legislative sessions and is not an infringment of any right to religious expression. If it goes to the Supreme Court the ruling will be upheld.

    I know you Christian folks love to imagine yourselves persecuted in a world of wicked sin wandering in the desert but that is just not the case.

    The real question is why are our legislators wasting their time praying in session when the whole country is collapsing around them? Cut some taxes and shut up.

    In Freedom’s name, Cheers

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    • Average_JoeMN
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:59am

      Yeah, that whole silly concept of censoring a few words means nothing. Sure these liberals, like you, fear the words “In Jesus Name”, or choose to feign “offense” at those three simple words, so it makes sense to stop people from uttering them. It’s like you just know that those are the very three words that have the power in prayer – praying in the name of Jesus – so you want to stop it at all costs..

      The fact is, this is censorship pure and simple. Free speech doesn’t stop when entering the legislative hall. In fact, that is the very place where the fullest of free speech needs to exist. And it is, it is protected by the constitution we all used to recognize. In the end the Supreme Court will back free speech again by a 5-4 vote (the four “liberals” will oppose free speech, as usual).

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    • loriann12
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:59am

      The problem being, would they be insulted if someone prayed in Alah’s name? I would, but I wouldn’t stop them from doing it. Maybe they could alternate, using a different religion each time. Let a Muslim pray, let a Christian pray, let a Jewish person pray, etc.

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    • streetrodder
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:34am

      Yea, that 5 seconds really messes up the day. LOL

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    • IMCHRISTIAN
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 10:29am

      For one thing the whole world is collapsing around us is why they are praying. Those who do not acknowledge God, God will not know. God Bless America in Jesus name, amen

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  • kickagrandma
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:50am

    @ Stuck_in_CA @ You are so right, and when HE does come, they WILL believe.

    Please, PRAY ON, not only this day, but everyday in JESUS’ name, amen!

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  • TomFerrari
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:43am

    IT’S ABOUT TIME !!!

    Why did it take this long? Why is this the FIRST state to stand up!?

    Let’s put an END to the aclu attacks on Religion.

    Let’s TAKE BACK our GOD-GIVEN, CONSTITUTIONALLY-PROTECTED RIGHTS!!!

    WE are protected from a FEDERALLY MANDATED RELIGION. WE are protected from CONGRESS interfering with the FREE exercise of our religion!

    By the way, our founders DID see the evils of islam – research the first wars America had with Islam. You will find Thomas Jefferson and James Madison had to deal with them as well.

    Our country is founded on JUDEO-CHRISTIAN values – they are INCOMPATIBLE WITH ISLAM… PERIOD.
    Matthew 7:15 – “BEWARE false prophets!” The Bible does not say, “IGNORE false prophets”, nor does it say, “APPEASE false prophets”, nor even, “PROTECT false prophets”… it says, “BEWARE FALSE PROPHETS”… BEWARE is a pretty STRONG word.

    We should not and cannot protect anything that CLAIMS to be a “religion”.
    If I have a new religion that says I am entitled to the assets of ALL NON-FOLLOWERS of my religion, does that afford me the right to take your money? If it says I must sacrifice little babies, what then? If it says that it is good to blow up buildings and kill thousands of innocent people, is that a religion? Are you going to protect my religion? Just because one is new and one is old makes NO difference, constitutionally. Look at ‘scientology’ – it wasn’t a religion at all. It was a self-help book that turned into religi

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    • Wayner
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:53am

      Amen to Tomferrari!! Read the Bible….. “if anyone asks IN MY NAME it shall be given to him”

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    • holy ghostbuster
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 10:05am

      Why is it that all you Christians who preach that this country was founded on “Judeo-Christian values” always leave out the Judeo part when practicing your faith. When was the last time you heard a Jewish person say , “in Jesus name amen?” Or how about a prayer before a government meeting recited in Hebrew?

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    • oneshiner
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 11:23am

      @TOMFARRARI, You got it right. I might add to it: James 2:19, Thou who believes in ONE GOD does well. “The Devils also believe and tremble.” Jude 18, says He told us there would be mockers in the last time………Well, there are plenty of mockers, and it makes me a believer in Jesus even more.
      Luke 21:36 Watch & pray you may be worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass and to stand before the Son of Man (Jesus) Belief is by Faith. Thank the Lord, he’s given me faith to believe.

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    • Luke21
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 3:34pm

      @buster,
      What makes you think we leave out “Judaism”? Jesus (Yeshua) is Jewish, is the Jewish promised Messiah, & therefore we invoke the name of Judah’s God when we say His name. So speaking in Hebrew would make everything right w/ God? Do you even know what you’re talking about? Practicing “Judaism” as it was then, & is now, practiced as a religion was a problem for Christ as well as the disciples. He Yeshua (Jesus) railed against the Jewish religious elite, showing utmost contempt for their “religion” & philosophy. Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship w/ God through Christ founded in faith. Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not abolish it, and that He did. Christians do not live under the law – all that do so (live under the law) are cursed. Jesus fulfilled the law that we (those who believe, who call on the name of the Lord to be saved) might be free (from the requirements of it). The law was never given to save man, but to condemn him before a Righteous and Holy God. Jesus (Yeshua), the Only begotten Son of the Father, clothed Himself in humanity and fulfilled the law and sacrificed Himself for all mankind that He would become a suitable substitute for those that believed (Romans 3:25, Hebrews 2:17, 1John 2:2 & 4:10). You can have the law, and thus be judged under it. I’ll take Jesus (Yeshua :-)) Christ every day over the law. In Yeshua the Christ’s name, AMEN.

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  • sissykatz
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:31am

    Lux
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 6:52am

    The stupidity of the left will never cease to amaze me. “When we believe or say we have been offended, we usually mean we feel insulted, mistreated, snubbed, or disrespected. And certainly clumsy, embarrassing, unprincipled, and mean-spirited things do occur in our interactions with other people that would allow us to take offense.

    Lux I borrowed part of your quote because it said exactly what I was thinking these “2” people should
    have to go thru because of this non sense.Until it is settled I’m afraid that is exactly the way I would treat these “2” idiots. I would show them what being offended would feel like.
    Normally I try to include everyone and do my best to go along to get along but I am so tired of this crap I can’t stand it. When “1” or “2” people can speak up and ruin everything for others.
    I‘m not sure why they are offended by this but I would say STAY at home and don’t attend. If in fact they did attend I would treat them as though they were “Lepers”.God forgive me but I am tired of this.

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:36am

      All those lawyers at the ADL, AUSCS, & ACLU don’t believe in Christ The Savior. After all, THEIR Savior hasn’t come yet.

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    • flagbearer
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:04am

      @Stuck in CA

      Most lawyers have only one god: the almighty dollar.

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  • kickagrandma
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:30am

    JESUS CHRIST, SON OF THE LIVING, TRUE GOD, we ask YOUR forgiveness for our sins of omission and commission. LORD, we just want YOU to know that YOUR KIDS are working hard down here to take YOUR country back. We, like YOU, are sick of these satanic movements down here called “political correctness” and “inclusive religion”. YOU, YOURSELF, said to us, “You will have NO OTHER gods before ME.” LORD, that means the “god of political correctness” and the most false god of “separation of church and state”.

    YOU told us and tell us that YOU ARE NOT a god who leads his children by the spirit of fear, but that YOU ARE THE GOD” of power and of love and of a sound mind. Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our LORD …who has saved us and called US with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to HIS own purpose and grace which was given to us in CHRIST JESUS before time began.”

    PRAY ON, AMERICA, IN JESUS’ NAME. We have no other GOD, but JEHOVAH GOD.

    Today is the NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. Let us all be in prayer and fasting alllllllll day IN JESUS’ SWEET, POWERFUL AND MIGHTY NAME. Amen!

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    • SlimnRanger
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:01am

      Aman Kickagrandma,do as Daniel di stand and pray anyway in Jesus ,name,this nation wasn’t put together by Muslums, or athiests,but was formed by Christians,I am bull headed enough i will pray in Jesus name even if it means being put in jail,or killed,In Jesus name i pray for this nation to rise up and stand for Jesus,remember the old song Ye soldiers of The Cross,Stand up,standup for Jesus ye soliders of the Cross,

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    • UBETHECHANGE
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:17am

      http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

      The Commie plan has infiltrated American and our Government. Democrats are not socialists they are COMMIES!

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  • 3katmomma
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:24am

    I’ve always felt that the most important lesson that should be taught in school, by society, etc., is respect. Respect for others, respect for opposing view points, respect for all religions, or none at all. You are not obligated to agree, but the respect you demand of others to your point of view is also required for others from you.
    My idea has always been to bring back morning prayer in school, but with the following process. Count the number of students in the school system. Divide by religion and denomination (or none for atheists, non-religious) and match the percentages to days in the school calendar. Then have a rotation of the local clergy (include days with silence for the non religious or atheists) offer prayers for the encouragement and/or edification of all students. This way all students are included, and in a simple way each student is taught that others may believe differently, but we can respect that difference.

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    • shirelover
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:32am

      well thought out, I like it.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:05am

      I like that.

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    • flagbearer
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:15am

      It actually used to be done this way. The schools where I attended rotated different pastors/students from different religions. I don’t recall anyone being offended if they were not members of a different faith. We RESPECTED the other students’ religious views. I believe this is true religious tolerance, not forcing another religion to withdraw from public expression because you find it offensive. America is so far off course now that I wonder if we’ll ever return, and I do so miss the America I knew as a child, the America that was known as the home of the free and the brave. I wish every American soldier who died, was wounded, or maimed could just suddenly appear and let the liberals know that their sacrifices were not for our country to end up the way it is today.

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    • Lux
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 9:00am

      I too remember those days Flagbearer. Now morning prayer has replaced with the gay strait alliance meeting, and the pledge with the Spanish word of the day…

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  • Bluehawk
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:22am

    > Among the VERY first actions taken following the collapse of the Soviet Union was to reinstate religious freedoms that had been suppressed for the prior 75 years. That ought to signal something to those of us who wish to protect such expressions of freedom in America, especially about what the agenda of the Left and self-appointed “civil libertarians” is. In every instance it is a mere fraction of a fraction of a fraction who file these lawsuits intended to offend the 50% who are devout and the other 49.5% who wish to defend their right to freely express, as is guaranteed by the 1st Amendment, their faith.

    “Congress shall make NO law respecting an ESTABLISHMENT of religion, or PROHIBITING the FREE EXERCISE thereof; or abridging the FREEDOM of SPEECH, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    That Amendment is constantly referred to as containing the “Establishment clause” when in fact is is far more than that, and the free exercise clause is totally ignored – not only by Plaintiffs but by those for whom it serves as a convenient political wedge; as when that same coterie advocate for the Cordoba center’s monument to Islam near ground zero. Then, of course, because murderous radical Muslims are a declared enemy of our people, their having an enormous presence anywhere they please is perfectly fine.

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:21am

    If the few keep pushing the majority, they will be surprised what eventually happens. Every day it is something new, some freedom taken away. I’m angry and I hope others are too. Its time to send those few packing and off to Cuba. Watch out for a very angry majority movement. You can only push for so long and the push back will really hurt. You arrogant liberals, we are coming for you.

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  • Kenny Holmes
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:14am

    Do it any way… What are they going to do? Throw you in jail?! No! That is a breach of your 1st Amendment rights…

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  • let us prey
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:04am

    Two county residents? What a &*#%ing joke.

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  • clingingtogodandguns
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:02am

    Religion is part of our founding.Our for fathers knew it and if you do some serious research you would know that.So for all you ******** if you don’t like that fact get the hell out of the country.Cuba is nice and warm,I’m sure sure you will fit in with that commy country.

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  • 3katmomma
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:02am

    It never ceases to amaze me that people (usually the left) believe that freedom OF religion means freedom FROM religion, or separation of church AND state means separation of church FROM state.

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  • Lux
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 6:52am

    The stupidity of the left will never cease to amaze me. “When we believe or say we have been offended, we usually mean we feel insulted, mistreated, snubbed, or disrespected. And certainly clumsy, embarrassing, unprincipled, and mean-spirited things do occur in our interactions with other people that would allow us to take offense. However, it ultimately is impossible for another person to offend you or to offend me. Indeed, believing that another person offended us is fundamentally false. To be offended is a choice we make; it is not a condition inflicted or imposed upon us by someone or something else.” (Elder David A. Bednar)

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    • HKS
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 6:59am

      Looks like the tail is wagging the dog again. Put it on the ballot, problem solved.

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    • kickagrandma
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:47am

      @LUX ~~~ So true. Too bad the Courts don’t “get it”; or, maybe we need to learn how to phrase our defense in legal terms so that they knock down and out for good the whiny, “poor me” false lawsuits against our GOD and our ONE NATION UNDER GOD.” Thanks for the quote!

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    • Lux
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:38am

      @ kickagrandma

      You’re welcome. But I’m afraid even if we put it in simpleton terms for them they still wouldn’t get it. It’s too bad common sense isn’t taught at those fancy law schools of theirs…

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    • Lux
      Posted on August 7, 2011 at 3:23am

      If you liked the quote you’d like the whole address. So here’s the link:

      http://lds.org/ensign/2006/11/and-nothing-shall-offend-them?lang=eng

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  • G.E.R
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 6:50am

    Our founding fathers were wise enough to know there should be a separation of church and state. Now if everybody else was wise enough to understand that we’d be ok.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:01am

      Not so. Might want to study up on the Founders beliefs, words and actions. A good place to start would be wallbuilders.com

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    • Lotus4115
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:25am

      kaydeebeau you are wrong!! Do the real research on the founders and read their letters before Barton edits them and rearranges the words to fit the Christian agenda. Wall builders is a joke, David Barton is a liar.
      http://www.liarsforjesus.com/

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:26am

      To GER: seperation of church and state DOES NOT MEAN seperation of God from government. If you read the founding fathers letters you would know that they would and indeed did call such an idea foolish. And if you haven’t noticed, the more we remove God from our government the more foolish it becomes Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and people wonder what has happed to our politictions.We bleed ourselves to death and you and many others celebrate this. Where is the wisdom in that. Take the advice offered by KAYDEEBEAU. There is plenty of TRUE information availible concerning this.

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    • Lotus4115
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:48am

      Gods gullible.
      There are 32,000 differing types or classifications of the Christian religion which one are you, we talking about. Wake up church goers, you have it all wrong.

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    • eflan32
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:03am

      The fpunders never said separation of Church and State. What is in the constitution is CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW. Where does that say you cannot pray or what you can say in those prayers? The founders prayed together when they were drafting the constitution. The war with Britain cut off the supply of Bibles to the United States with the result that on Sept. 11, 1777, Congress instructed its Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 Bibles from “Scotland, Holland or elsewhere.” On January 21, 1781, Philadelphia printer Robert Aitken (1734-1802) petitioned Congress to officially sanction a publication of the Old and New Testament which he was preparing at his own expense. Congress “highly approve the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken, as subservient to the interest of religion . . . in this country, and . . . they recommend this edition of the bible to the inhabitants of the United States.” This resolution was a result of Aitken’s successful accomplishment of his project.

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    • cassandra
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:17am

      our founding fathers NEVER meant to seperate from GOD, read your American history

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:37am

      To lotus4415:
      I hate to break the news to you but you to are what you follow. You can read the exact words as written in their letters. A christian is a follower of Christ. You can have different colored cars but still the same make. The last thing I am is gullable. All men will know the truth: some to late. My eyes are wide open. 32000 sounds like a gullable number; if not who cares. God will seperate the wheat from the chaff… not you!

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    • joe1234
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 9:05am

      hey gomer, where is that exactly in the constitution…where is ‘separation of church and state’ why don’t you quote the article???

      you can’t….that phrase was in the SOVIET constitution…not ours…get a clue.

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  • John in CT
    Posted on August 6, 2011 at 6:46am

    Someone explain to me how restricting and limiting religious expression, and setting strict guidelines dictating what is permitted and what is not is a victory for religious freedom? Maybe I don’t know what freedom is.

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    • Applehead
      Posted on August 6, 2011 at 8:18am

      Jewish Americans and Israel can’t have it both ways, they want us to stand with them but are looking to take Jesus out of everything in America! They are hugging us and reaching around and sticking the knife in our back! They love Christian donations to Israel but never say a word to help the USA which mass majority is Christian! When has Israel ever done anything since its inception to help America Christians or Christians anywhere? All those organizations are led by Khazar Ashkenazi Jews from Russia that have no blood link to the Jews of the OT! They converted in around the year 700 AD. Its time to call a spade a spade! If any of you support the most Anti Christ group since Christ himself then you are crazy!!! Do your research like Glenn says!

       
    • Christian Kalgaard
      Posted on August 8, 2011 at 9:47am

      applehead you are a complete ignoramus. go shoot yourself, like your father Hitler did.
      America has never had a better ally than Israel, you bitch.

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