Inclusion of Gays at CPAC Divides Fiscal and Social Conservatives
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Some of the country’s biggest moral issue advocacy groups are reportedly pulling their support from the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), conservatives’ largest annual gathering of the year. The Family Research Council (FRC) and Concerned Women for America (CWA) joined a number of other organizations that have canceled their plans to attend the 2011 CPAC in Washington after GOProud, a conservative gay activist group, received an invitation to attend:
“We’ve been very involved in CPAC for over a decade and have managed a couple of popular sessions. However, we will no longer be involved with CPAC because of the organization’s financial mismanagement and movement away from conservative principles,” said Tom McClusky, senior vice president for FRC Action.
“CWA has decided not to participate in part because of GOProud,” CWA President Penny Nance told WND.
FRC and CWA join the American Principles Project, American Values, Capital Research Center, the Center for Military Readiness, Liberty Counsel, and the National Organization for Marriage in withdrawing from CPAC.
The American Principles Project (APP) began organizing a boycott of CPAC in November, promising to withdrawal its CPAC sponsorship if GOProud was invited. “This is the line in the sand,” APP President Frank Cannon said in November. “True conservatives and conservative organizations are rejecting the efforts to destroy conservatism from within by those attempting to marginalize social conservatism.”
FRC and CWA’s decision to boycott the conference came after the American Conservative Union (ACU) — the longtime organizers of CPAC — disclosed that GOProud would be a “participating organization” at next year’s conference.
The offices of the ACU are closed for the holidays and there has been no official comment released from the group concerning the latest objections to GOProud.
Mat Staver, president of Liberty Counsel, a public interest law firm, says that ACU has “gone libertarian,” focusing primarily on fiscal issues over issues important to social conservatives. “Libertarianism is right on the economy, often wrong on national defense, and doesn’t care about social conservativism,” Staver says. “Libertarians only respect one leg of the Reagan revolution, and can’t stand for long on one leg,” he told WND.
From Staver’s point of view, GOProud “is not a conservative organization” since they support the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and object to the Defense of Marriage Act.
“The only way we would return to CPAC now is if CPAC openly disassociated itself from GOProud and carried on a pattern of activity that convinces us they are truly broad-based conservatives.”
The division over gays’ inclusion is not new to the conservative movement. At the 2010 CPAC conference earlier this year, Ryan Sorba of the California Young Americans for Freedom took to the stage and publicly condemned CPAC for inviting GOProud. The large audience promptly booed Sorba off stage:
CPAC is not alone in embracing groups like GOProud. Conservative columnist and author Ann Coulter has come under fire in the past for with GOProud. After speaking at the group’s “HomoCon” conference, World Net Daily dropped Coulter from their own event’s lineup in protest:
“Because of her plan to address an event titled ‘HOMOCON’ sponsored by the homosexual Republican group GOProud that promotes same-sex marriage and military service for open homosexuals.”
But, if nothing else, Coulter’s appearance at HomoCon showed that conservatives can agree to disagree. Before her speech, Coulter reminded GOProud organizers that she’s never been one to mince words, especially when sharing her own (at times controversial) opinion. During the remarks she delivered before an audience of gay conservatives, Coulter aggressively railed against gay marriage. Marriage “is not a civil right — you’re not black,” Coulter said, insisting that the equal protections provided by the Fourteenth Amendment were limited in scope.
But the audience at Homocon didn’t seem to care, even as Coulter boasted how she could “talk gays out of gay marriage.”
The decision to boycott CPAC may actually harm the protesting groups more than they care to admit. CPAC is a conference notoriously aimed at recruiting younger conservatives and is heavily attended by college-aged coeds. Even as groups like WND condemned Coulter’s seeming endorsement of GOProud (which she denied), younger conservatives praised her decision to put differences aside and to come together on issues all conservatives can agree on.
“I think it is terrific that Ann Coulter is speaking at HomoCon,” RedState’s Erick Erickson said.
Additionally, conservative columnist and author S.E. Cupp defended gay conservatives, claiming, “Conservativism and gay rights are actually natural allies.”
“Conservatism rightly seeks to keep the government out of our private lives,” Cupp said, “and when you strip away the politics of pop culture, it’s this assertion of privacy and freedom that the gay rights movement is essentially making.”
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PatriotDaze
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:53pmOK folks, this thread proves my point. The BLAZE is a rather conservative website, and yet amongst ourselves we are splintering over this issue. You wonder why we have trouble winning independents? Read some of the rationale behind why we can’t dare accommodate our OWN views about government when it comes to this minority. We don’t need the Gay vote, we need the votes of those who don’t want to discriminate in any way against gays.
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:11pmPatriotdaze
Report Post »Eat sh.t and fall at my feet and die. You have got to be the most lame commenter on this site. Your logic is atrosious. You are what is called a homosexualist. All we have to do is stand for the right cause and not care if it hairlips everyone from here to Alaska. Weak, weak. wea….God I love America!
Nigel2
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:14pm“”"”"”"”<<>>”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
Very well spoken
Report Post »Nigel2
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:16pmThat didn’t come out right, I agree with patriot, not the rude ***** replying to him
Report Post »TheBMT
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:27amThis is a lively topic of discussion today…
Its figuring out what conservative means.
Is it fiscally conservative to spend trillions of dollars for wars that aren’t needed. Or if they are needed, aren’t wrapped up or focused. But to nation build instead. We forget that just because we support the troops, doesn’t mean we turn a blind eye to what our country is doing overseas.
Is it fiscally conservative to spend billions and billions of dollars on a drug policy that only allows drug dealers to charge more, punish light users, and cost us billions in the prison and court systems? (yes even Pat Robertson- a Social CONSERVATIVE- has changed his mind.)
Is it CONSTITUTIONAL to regulate things that are not in the constitution on a Federal level, just because you have the majority?
So what are we? Are we constitutional conservatives? Social conservatives? Fiscal conservatives? Neo-conservatives? Liberty Conservatives? Etc.. etc.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:31amGee, PC, tell us how you really feel.
What Daze is basically saying, if I read his/her comment right, is that by making homosexuality (and other moral issues) political, and thereby being philosophically inconsistent, we turn off independents who might otherwise support “conservative” ideas. And for that you visciously attack him/her??
It’s the people like you who give conservatives a bad name (namely, homophobic, racist, hate-monger, etc….).
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:58pmKom
Report Post »You think anyone really cares for those opinions that we must sell our souls to gain anything. That day is over. You are living in the old political days as are many. You are a dinosaur and not able to keep up. We are through with watering down our belief system and once again I say we will stand for the right though the heavens fall and I don’t care if we have to hairlip everyone from here to Bumphuk Egypt. we will not be moved. If you don’t like true conservatism get the **** out, and good ridance. Fool. If we can’t win by standing for the right then we will go into chains with you.God I love America!
komponist-ZAH
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 11:38pmNo, PC, in your obvious bigotry you are the dinosaur.
Noboby’s saying to “sell our souls” for anything, merely suggesting that we should be respectful of people who disagree with us.
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on December 30, 2010 at 12:06pmHere’s the trouble. There are a growing number of people that believe homosexuality is not a moral issue but comes naturally from the sequence of dna that one is delt. For years, homosexual activists have harped this ‘song’ until our socitey has slowly (over several years) been brain washed to accepted this LIE. There is no such evidence. To seek the support of the wicked is compromise. There may be a short term political victory for conservatives with their help but there will be no lasting victory for America with such compromise. Right vs Wrong.. there’s no older battle.
Report Post »discipleall
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:52pmNickDeringer, I totally agree with you. People who think morality is not an issue need to watch the documentary Agenda, this film won first place in the Christian Film Festival. There is an agenda to bring America down from the inside out, so it will self destruct. Go to this link and watch the trailer !!!
Report Post »http://agendadocumentary.com/
NancyBee
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:11pmThat’s what they are doing………grinding America down………watch the trailer……….Thanks Discipleall
Report Post »spreadcommonsensenot pc
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:44pmI could care less about your opinion, it is based in from “mans side” not Gods…..He calls it foolishness
My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:51pmI believe you meant to say couldn’t.
Report Post »rbqueen
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:51pmHe calls what foolishness? If you mean homosexuality then you just misquoted God! He calls it an abomination. If that is not what you meant please enlighten me because I would like to know what He calls foolishness. Do not take this as a putdown because I really am not sure what you meant.
Report Post »rbqueen
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:03pm“Who got the nomination in 1964? WHO CARES? Who was nicknamed Mr. Conservative? WHO CARES? and who could separate between the fiscal conservatism and issues that government had no business in? Barry Goldwater” WHO CARES? Each person makes their own decisions and answers for them. It doesn’t matter who or when it was – if someone is a true conservative then they are conservative in all aspects of their lives. If they are only conservative in one or two aspects then they are what is called RINO!
Report Post »For what is a man profited,if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?Matthew 16:26(KJV)
To paraphrase. What difference does it make to gain your whole life (or your own freedom) only to lose your soul?
cstcomputers
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:43pmI liked “Don‘t Ask Don’t Tell” in all aspects of life…
Report Post »Speak without Fear
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 6:57amExcellent….me too! I also prefer….in the closet as to out of it. Be an American….do your job…take care of your family…..and stop putting your sexual preference(s) out there for debate.
Report Post »kindling
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:42pmI am guessing this is about trust. I feel if someone is truly conservative it should not matter if they are gay or not. We need to gather all constitutional conservatives together and stop building walls. This is about the nations safety at this point, we can deal with the other differences later with we know we are not all going to be speaking some other language with no rights left.
Report Post »PatriotDaze
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:54pmAgreed. Divided, we are conquered.
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:47pmHell we need to eliminate all perverts and if it leaves us standing all alone then great all the perverts will go into chains as we with good family biblical principles will also . So be it Though the heavens fall we will stand for the right and homosexuality is not right and all of you who defend it will join it in the lake of fire. God I love America!
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:48pmPatriotdaze
Report Post »The bible says call no man a fool, You are a FOOL.
BoilitDown
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:39pmWhat does saving the country have to do with an individuals sexuality? This gay/hetero noise has to be eliminated if we’re going to get anything substantive done about preserivng America.
Report Post »Don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t need to know, shut up and get to work!
PatriotDaze
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:42pmExcuse the pun, but Amen Brother!
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:37pmThe LibProgs are rejoicing as they watch the fracturing of the Conservative movement. God help us all. America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Trying to restore America without them is like trying to fly a plane without an engine.
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:36pmI would even be happy to purge the social conservatives at this point and have them start their own party, they cost way more votes than they garner.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:42pmThat can be done
Then good luck with your Liberal Republican Party
all you will need to do then is make John Mccain your nominee for life and you can have it all
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:47pmI want actual conservatives, Goldwater conservatives and McCain just doesn’t fit the bill.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:09amGoldwater conservatives don’t fit the bill? Weren’t you just a couple posts up praising Barry Goldwater as Mister Conservative?
Report Post »rbqueen
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:36pmI am very proud of these groups boycotting CPAC. Anyone that supports these groups are not and cannot consider themselves true conservative. A true conservative is one because of their conservative beliefs on all matters, a true conservative is just as conservative in moral issues as all other matters. Just because someone is conservative regarding the government or any other single issue makes them a conservative is in the same way that a RINO is a republican. IN NAME ONLY!!! I too have no problems with each person choosing their own personal lifestyle (my daughter lives the alternative lifestyle and she could verify that) or whatever because like it was stated on some of the other posts on this issue, it is between them and God. The Bible DOES say that supporting immoral acts (supporting gays in moving their agenda forward) causes that person to also be held accountable for their decisions on judgement day. If you support it, you are part of it. While I do hold this nation about as high as anyone can (I would willingly give my life defending this country), what I live for in working towards where I spend my eternity is far more important!
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:45pmWho got the nomination in 1964? Who was nicknamed Mr. Conservative? and who could separate between the fiscal conservatism and issues that government had no business in? Barry Goldwater.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:06amWho lost the general election in a landslide?
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:31pmThis is the one thing holding conservatives back… it’s the only legitimate argument the left has.
If you don’t believe in homosexuality, don’t be gay. It’s not that hard. Works for me.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:44pmLet me get this clear. Are you for the government telling people they have to rent apartments to open homosexuals? Are you for the Government telling businesses they can’t fire someone for immoral behavior?
I’m curious what you think the reach of government should be.
Also, are you against the state treating male-female marriages differently than gay unions?
Report Post »Agentuntomyself
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:30pmThere are many younger voters who are fiscally conservative but who only see hypocrisy in Republicans/Conservatives and therefore will never vote that way. How can you justify the whole “we want govt. out of our lives” when it comes to fiscal issues, but then want to regulate moral/religious issues? It is hypocrisy. The Federal govt. should have never been involved in sanctioning marriage in the first place. It should have been left to the religious organizations to recognize (or not recognize) marriage and practice it as they saw fit. But we are a little beyond that now. If the Republicans want to win over this younger group of voters, they had better start touting civil unions as the way to allow everyone to have the same legal rights, but preserve marriage for those who don’t want their religious beliefs messed with.
Report Post »Chiefsfan216
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:03amagreed
Report Post »KeepTheTen
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:25pmGod condemns homosexual behavior. Lev.18:22
Report Post »PatriotDaze
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:33pmLeviticus isn’t running for office….and this neither the Vatican or Liberty University Student Council.
Report Post »Deutscher
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:35pmRead the rest of Leviticus and see how well you do upholding the Holiness Code.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 5:36amWell he only condemns male homosexual acts. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention lesbians; therefore, it’s okay for women to sleep with each other. It can’t be just an oversight or failure of imagination, if the Bible is the word of God who knows everything and was meant to be the book of rules for all people everywhere, forever. If it was just meant for the people of the time and place that it was written, there would be no reason for us to pay any attention to the rules against male homosexuality, any more than we follow any of the other weird and outdated rules in Leviticus.
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on December 30, 2010 at 11:06amHey Chet, here’s a little something for ya. Romans 1:26
Report Post »Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:23pm“If it doesn‘t break my arm or pick my pocket I don’t care which religion a person pursues. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
Report Post »Thomas Jefferson
DashRipRock
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:29pmIn matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.
Report Post »Thomas Jefferson
My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:33pmWhat greater principle is there than personal freedom and minimal government?
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:37pmIt is neither wealth nor splendor, but tranquility and occupation which give happiness.
Thomas Jefferson
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:41pmStill doesn’t answer my question.
Report Post »PatriotDaze
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:42pmTJ said a lot of things. Like the Bible…one can pretty much find a word or two to support whatever one wishes.
It is up to us now, and I believe what the Founders committed to in writing. It doesn’t say that one religious interpretation is to be held superior to another. It doesn’t say anything about homosexuals. It does state that in terms of how a government is to treat its citizens..all men are created equal.
Small government and the application of specific biblical interpretations are mutually exclusive.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:59pmMoral discipline that justifies individual freedom and limited government is greater. If you are no moral you will not be trusted with freedom for long.
You want your freedom and limited government? Then govern yourself. Open homosexuality is the essence of ungoverned character. If we apporve it we are repudiating the conditions upon which our self-governance was entrusted.
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:49pmIsles you just argued yourself in a circle. Surely we should be allowed to do anything between consenting adults on our own property, be it worship or fornicate.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:04amYou can be allowed to fornicate as you please, as long as you do it in private.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:17pmMaybe CPAC can change the Platform to include illegal aliens and get thier vote too.
Or how about this how about the Social Conservatives leave the Rino Republican party
Report Post »and let the GOP rot on the vine.
PatriotDaze
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:36pmC’mon Dash….despite how much fun it is to ‘imaginate’ on these pages, you know illegal aliens don’t vote. Heck…they don’t even get a drivers license.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:39pmYour not in Texas are you.
Report Post »PatriotDaze
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:45pmI guess that’s why Rick Perry is governor…..again? Apparently that cabal isn’t very well organized.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:00pmRick Perry was a democrat until 1996
He even campaigned for Al Gore in 1988
Perry is the best example I know of a man who will say what ever it takes to get elected.
and to give you and idea of what Perry’s world looks like
in 2000 when he took office the Houston Independent School Distict was 40% white
In 2010 its down to 8%
Report Post »spreadcommonsensenot pc
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:13pmits NOT bigotry —————–homosexuality is IMMORAL
Report Post »RudyR555
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:23pmsays you, I think since homosexuality occurs in naturraly in all species of animals why would humans be different, We ARE animals and God will judge us all individually so if they are acting immorally let God judge them not us.
Report Post »scguitar
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:25pmYes, but God still loves gay people (although not their lifestyle), so even if we don’t agree with how they live, they should still be accpeted if they are for smaller government and equal rights. They know most conservatives are not for gay marriage, yet they still want to stand by those people.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:40pm“since homosexuality occurs in naturraly in all species of animals ”
Not just a lie, but a ridiculous extravagant and brainless lie. Canabalism, infanticide and suicide occur more frequently among animals than does homosexuality.
But hey, I’ve seen dogs humping trees before, so I guess I should expect that to be OK if people did it. But dogs also eat things that I would be sent to the hospital if I ate it.
Report Post »spreadcommonsensenot pc
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:41pmsays you, We are created in the image of God not animals,
Report Post »So if the animals were made “before” Adam, Adam named the animals—what gives?
slithering snake is bound…..
P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:58pmrudyr555
Report Post »Another blooming uneducated idiot. In the animal world smelling of another animals ass doesn’t fit the definition of homosexuality. The animals do not penetrate the other animal. Lame ass. We are educated beings out here and we will no longer run toward the dark ages. We seek light and truth and you seek perverted sexual pleasure. Grow the hell up or crawl back under your rock. God I love America!
P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:04pmSCGUITAR
Report Post »Your reasoning and definitions would have us accept child molesting perverts as well. But we are not ignorant of this ploy and we will not accept such . We reject all such as we are educated and may I say self educated as no one for the last 50 years has had the wherewithal to do their job as good stewards of knowledge. . I will gladly accept the judgement of Almighty GOD. Now get lost for I never check my manhood when I enter a church.
thepatriotdave
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 12:02amspreadcommonsensenot pc
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:13pm
“its NOT bigotry —————–homosexuality is IMMORAL”
You are exactly correct. Why should I be forced to accept immoral behavior?
If this is going to be the face of the GOP then so be it, the GOP will just have to do without me. The first new party that is formed based on Conservative principles will have my vote and my families vote and my friends vote and all of our donations. I am sick of this immoral social experimental garbage being forced down my throat.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:11pmHere is something I don’t understand.
Report Post »Why do some people have to drag their bedroom into everyone else’s living room ?
My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:18pmI happen to agree, I think. Why can‘t we just not care and neutralize the left’s acceptance policy. The only people that constantly bring it up are politicians drumming for the gay vote and forcing the issue. Even if a conservative politician is against it why would a response of “Whatever you want to do in your bedroom is your business” be so bad? Isn’t that what property and privacy rights are all about?
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 8:24amTell me how many television programs/ or movies do you watch? The overwhelming number of programs
Report Post »have something written into the script-even the advertisements are written to appeal to the homosexual-and homosexuality is a sexual Orientation based upon same sex attraction and bad/unnatural behavior.When the gay activists cease dragging their behavior out I will quit saying I disagree with their lifestyle choice. No babe in the womb ever changed it’s sex and anything after birth is cosmetics planned to deceive others.
spreadcommonsensenot pc
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:11pmIm a fiscal/social conservitive and heres an “old term”—-IMMORAL
Report Post »The progressives have infiltrated…………….
heavyduty
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:11pmI am afraid that I have to agree with gays not being conservative. While I admit that there are a few out there. Most are just concerned about their agenda of marriage and could care less about the country.
Report Post »BenInNY
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:42pmI’d like to see you read HillBuzz for 2 weeks and come back saying the same thing. Those guys are pretty rabidly conservative over there.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:10pmDidnt republicans hand pick Jonh Mccain to get the independents?
That really worked out.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:09pmAnd next year we can accept the Communist Party, then the year after that LaRaza why not get all the votes.
The republicans dont need social conservatives right
Report Post »they dont help win elections.
My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:39pmI really doubt the communist party has the same values of a government’s place in individual lives. Nice try at the slippery slope fallacy though, kudos even. Too bad it won’t work, any one that just wants to be American, not a hyphenated American the republican party should have room for.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:52pmand MY_COUNTRY
I take it you have never read Marx
Socialism is the transition state
Comunism is a state in which there is no more need for a government
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:56pmYeah, there is no room for compromise. We need to keep building on a solid foundation and not give in for the sake of numbers. If we bend just a little, then we wobble. If we bend even more, then we’ll break.
For anyone who states that the social conservatives do not matter, I question their motives. You’ll risk losing the social conservatives so you can have a small group of homosexuals vote with you??
Stand strong! We have the momentum and our numbers are increasing in congress. Anyone willing to side with us will make the adjustments. Again, no room for compromise.
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:46pmConservatism is nothing more than a belief in the Constitution. I didn’t happen to see the word gay in there last time I read it. Perhaps I should get it in a scanable PDF format.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:03pmGays should be welcome, but not their agenda. We hold the line here or lose forever. There can be no fiscal responsibility with such moral and intellectual decadence.
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:06pmI am just curious how you figure the government should have involvement in these issues at all.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:19pmTheir agenda is gaining special class protection against discrimination, pro-gay education in schools and gay marriage. These seek to enforce upon the culture acceptance of homosexuality. Upholding biblical, and sane, morality will become a hatecrime. Societies that are forbiddden from instructing its young in proper moarlity, especially sexual morality, don’t survive long.
Let them do what they like in the privacy of their own home, but let society be clear it’s wrong. We do that with many societal ills.
Report Post »PatriotDaze
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:31pmMoral fortitude is a predicate of fiscal responsibility? With all due respect, that begs logic, reason and common experience. That is why these are two separate issues, and when we muddle the two we lose moderate conservatives and everyone to the left.
Besides, one believes government shouldn’t be involved in peoples personal lives…..or one doesn’t. To proclaim we believe in getting government out of our lives……except for those things we don’t like….establishes an argument that is hollow, indefensible and utterly defeatable.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:52pmA society that lacks the intellectual discipline to recognize what is natural is not going to naturally understand the self-discipline that is required to be fiscally reponsible. In a upright society and individual degenerate might maintain fiscal probity by adhereing to social presure. But once society gives up the most basic moral grounding don’t expect it to be well disciplined when it comes to money.
Encouraging morality is hardly getting into people’s lives. But should our society not care if a man cheats on his wife, if he beats her? Is that man harming no one? He is harming his wife, his children and the society that has to look at it. We should be able to rectify the damage by expressing social displeasure. Its called shunning. We don’t need to take anything from him except our approval. No one has a RIGHT to be approved by society. And this is what the gays are demanding.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:02pmI guess you’ve never heard of Enron huh DAZED&CONFUSED? That’s one of about ten thousand recent examples of fiscal irresponsibility as a direct result of people lacking a moral compass. I could list another hundred or so, but that would make the post needlessly lengthy and repetetive.
The morally corrupt are the cause of fiscal disasters 99% of the time. The other 1% is people that are simply incompetent and got put in positions of undue fiscal authority usually via patronage.
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:48pmPatriotdaze
I really didn’t understand a ******* thing you said. Your just to smart for me. God I love America!
komponist-ZAH
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:05amIsles is right. Sexual immorality almost always accompanies the downfall of civilizations. Advocating proper morality is very important.
That said, I really think this is much ado about nothing. CPAC should welcome them, but make its disagreement with the gay agenda plain. We should not disregard this group because of a few disagreements over things that, if we are to be philosophically fair and consistent, really shouldn’t be political issues in the first place.
Report Post »cgbs6183
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:01pmWell the Federal Government is not supposed to handle social issues anyway.
Jefferson pointed out the the Foreign Affairs should be left to the Federal and the Moral to the states, otherwise you will destroy the Union.
Advocating social issues at the National level is divisive for the country and it happens on both sides. As Regan said “Vote with your feet”
Agree to disagree, we don‘t get our fiscal house in order we won’t have any social issues to care about except surviving for the next day.
Report Post »cgbs6183
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:07pmSo just to be clear I am siding with neither and think both should go. I am just guessing that GOProud exists as an education and advocacy group to prove that you can be Gay and Conservative. CWA can show by going to Love your neighbor like God said to…I say this with parents who are active in CWA.
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:09pmHere! Here! You can have all the parades you want but first we need to get our fiscal house in order. You can have all of the social agendas you want but it won’t be worth a damn if we have a bankrupt country.
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:15pmI respectfully disagree wholeheartedly with you. Morality is everything. Keeping on the right side of God is the only place to be. You cannot make deals with the devil and think you will be victorious in the end.
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”
— George Washington
“Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession. ”
— George Washington
Do not let yourself be fooled. You can love your neighbor but do not let them and their immoral ways get a foothold inside the party. Disaster will certainly follow.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 8:16amHave you read the Bible? There is much there that speaks of fiscal problems/accountability. But the fiscal cannot be given precedence to the Moral -The Founding Principles spoken of by George Washington and codified in the Northwest Ordinance (fundamental Law ) were Religion (Christianity was dominant then as now) and Morality. As noted in the Northwest Ordinance “Religion ,Morality ,and Knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” Focus– focus.
Report Post »tranquilrider
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:00pmShocking!!!!!!
Report Post »The only time you’ll here Republicans embrace the gay agenda is to score political points when the timing is crucial
My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:07pmBarry Goldwater didn’t seem to think so, he knew when government should keep it’s nose out.
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:11pmThe fact that it is now possible to openly speak about the “gay agenda” and have your premise silently accepted is proof positive that the conservative movement is dead in America. You progressives have beaten the weak-minded into submission by relentless propaganda, bastardization of the English language and incremental implementation of your agendas, including but not limited to the “gay” agenda. Rules for Radicals was learned well on your side. Sadly, too many on my side have wasted their time praying when they should have been fighting. Sad.
Report Post »PatriotDaze
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:21pmMore prayers won’t help at this juncture. The Republican Theocrats should stay home.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:22pmI think you have it backwards……gays are embracing conservatism
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:59pmWe need more really old school conservatives like Goldwater. Personally I could not care less who a person sleeps with or if they have an abortion, I think those things should be left between the individual and their higher power. As long as there are so many single issue voters out there and so many “social” conservatives the whole movement is going to fail. We need to do the opposite of the left though, instead of pandering to them and telling them we will pass laws favoring them we just need to take the whole gay and abortion thing off of the table, I would love for a candidate if asked about either to say “It is none of my business what they do.” and leave it at that.
We need to emphasize our message of rights for everyone, not just group X or group Y, personally I think the upcoming election cycle is way to important to be excluding anyone, Obama is faltering and we need to collect the votes he is losing on his own. Even if some minorities hate Obama, they will still vote for him in 2012 over any GOP candidate and we have just under two years to change that.
Report Post »RudyR555
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:17pmThis is exactly why I’m a libertarian. GAY, not GAY what do I care as long as they understand the same rules apply to them and they don’t force thier veiws on me or themselves, I don’t care!
By the way I have more than one gay and bi-sexual (greedy ha ha) friends that didn’t understand that at first and continually tried to tell me I was gay, in denial, and would try to flirt with me. When I finnaly got fed up, I told them not to call me untill they saw me as a friend, and not as a piece of tail to chase.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:19pmGays will only stand for anyone as long as the anyone will go along with their agenda. The second that someone disagrees with their agenda then its going to be bye bye, so long, see you later. They care about nothing but what their leaders tell them their for.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:50pmThat’s not old school. That’s how most people feel. There is no such thing as an anti-gay movement. What there is is a refusal by sensible people to pretend that being gay is perfectly normal, and to allow it to be inserted into every facet of our lives and that of our children.
You won‘t ever catch me standing on a street somewhere with a bullhorn chastising gays and telling them they’re going to hell. But I’m not shy about telling you where you can stick your gay rights issues if you bring them up to me.
Report Post »mara123
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:53pmGOProud is not anything like the Liberal gays, they understand that fiscal conservatism an gay rights are not equal agendas, GOProud gays are outcast from the socialist gays, please dont group them with the Democrats.
If you read some of there blogs you would see the contempt they have for the democrats, an the ones i have read blogging could care less about gay marriage.
Report Post »HillBillySam1
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:14pmIf you really want to fix the financial state of America, the very first thing that you have to do is put the emphasis on the FAMILY! Broken homes and single-parent households are a huge financial drain on our treasurey….what do you think most of these “entitlement” programs are geared for??? Fathers not teaching their children the value of honest work and pride in self-accomplishment….mothers not teaching their children to respect one another and work because it is the right thing to do. You cannot “legislate” these things but you have to have them in order to counter this “freeloader” society that we have brought about. You don‘t care who sleeps with who as long as they don’t take your tax dollars?? Fine. You don’t care if they have an abortion?? This decision should be left up to them and “their higher power”?? More than 50 MILION children have been aborted in this country since Roe vs. Wade was decided in 1973….most of those abortions at least partially paid for with tax-payer money….we have a sitting President who said that it was “above his pay-grade” to know when life began….you know, kinda like saying that it was between the person and “their higher power” to determine that.
Report Post »The social issues part of Conservatism will determine how far-reaching and permanent the fiscal issue of Conservatism will go.
P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:31pm“You couldn’t care less“ You couldn”t think less. What a lame statement. These people molest almost all children molested statistically and the media covers this up by not calling it homosexual molestation. But you couldn’t care less. It is so easy to spot the surface students those who repeat what someone else has said. And I am sure you have fell into the idea that you are so open minded. Not closed minded like myself who has found out some things and made a stand. You make me sick. God I love America!
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:14pm@PB Be Damned have you checked a statistic on the amount of homosexuals that actually molest or do you just stick with the one that fits your narrative?
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 6:49amHillbillysam1_ you are correct, however the system was purposely designed this way to creat more of a drain on the countrys resources. The wanted welfare to be self-sustaining, and they got what they wanted. Read your Colwell and Piven.
Report Post »PatriotDaze
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 8:55pmLet the Family Research Council, Concerned Women for America and the American Principles Project stay home. Victory in 2012 is about fewer taxes, drastically less spending and smaller government. MORE government in peoples personal lives…and the regulation thereof, is not what America or this new movement is about….and a focus that is anti gay and anti minority does nothing but exclude the moderates and independents that will be essential to victory.
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:11pmDo you really think they control enough votes/voters to swing this election? This is merely stupid pandering to a special interest group that has been rabidly pushing their agenda.
Report Post »Stupid politics without any common sense involved.
If we are able to survive for two more years in the face of the all out attack by the America Haters, and we are able to get enough of the right people elected, then maybe, perhaps, they might actually start to effect the changes necessary.
I sure hope pigs can fly, because the odds are probably about the same for all the above to happen.
This is not a “politics as usual” situation.
Nigel2
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:12pmI have to agree. I am no supporter of the “gay” agenda but we have more important fish to fry.
Wasn’t it Reagan who said you could not legislate morality?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:29pmThis is not a question of legislating morality, though the statutes against statutory rape are examples of legislating morality.
But what we are talking abouit here when we oppose the gay agenda is the defense of a healthy society. the problem with a lot of libertarians is that they don’t believe very much in the reality and importance of society. Allowing the public space to become a jungle decreases the stability of a society upon which all individual depend. You can‘t just say that people are free to have a sane world inside their own home but that outside it’s a free for all. You can’t raise children in a culture where public drunkeness and prostitution is allowed.
No one should have the right to force their indecency on the public. If people want to be immoral let them do it where society doesn’t have to look at it.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:38pmCPAC has nothing to do with winning elections you mental midget. It’s an organization that was founded on the principle that they would be the beacon of conservative values. Members cutting ties with them because they no longer represent those principles is just common sense. Only a moron continues to support an organization that is actively working against what they believe.
Libertarians don’t really exist anyway. The ones that claim to be are just conservatives that don’t have the stones to not be PC.
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:40pmNigel2……I agree……there are much more bigger fish to fry!!!! People get off the merry-go-round…..get serious….this is so so so immature.
Report Post »toidiegalliv
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:44pmDear Sir, your words according to many scales of measurement applied today, are politically sound, however, there is the greater reality. Here are two quotes attributed to George Washington:
“Liberty, when it degenerates into licenciousness, begets confusion, and frequently ends in Tyranny or some woeful catastrophe…”
“As the cause of our common Country, calls us both to an active and dangerous duty, I trust that Divine Providence, which wisely orders the affairs of men, will enable us to discharge it with fidelity and success.”
Tragically, much of the current thinking is bound to fail, for the perspectives GW had, which were not universal even in his day, although they were critical for the birth of America, are nearly unheard of today and when heard are often vehemently ridiculed. A nation does well with the blessings of Heaven, has trouble without them, and is in true peril when nature’s God is rightfully angered. When homosexuals chose that lifestyle that is not good, but it is much worse when they seek to make their choice a national agenda. This nations woes will not be solved by political acumen, but by honor, fidelity and faith, on God’s terms. That is just the way it is, period. While apposed to what I understood you to say, you have my best regards.
Report Post »Agentuntomyself
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:44pm@islesfordian,
Report Post »I agree with you that a healthy society is important. The problem with legislation in this area is that not everyone always agrees as to what is a “healthy” society. For a long time, a moral standard existed among the majority that was fairly in line with traditional judeo-christian beliefs. That worked out well for those of us who shared those beliefs. However, that is becoming less and less the case. Now, as religion becomes less influential in people’s lives, the legislation will reflect that. It is always better to have the most bare minimum of legislation and regulation, because you can’t always depend on the pendulum to swing your way, so to speak. There are certain very basic rights that should always be protected, but other than that, we shouldn’t give a governing body any more power to rule our lives than is absolutely required to protect those basic rights.
123abc
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:47pmI totally agree patriotdaze. Let them stay home. I say anyone with fiscal conservative principles is WELCOME with open arms. Gay people don’t bother me at all, that is their choice and it has no impact whatsoever on my life. Their support of the fiscally conservative movement does affect me though and I am thankful for each and every person who joins our movement.
Report Post »My_Country
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:54pmActually GUY yes I do, and at this point in time we need to be collecting every vote we can, Obama is losing his base because he promised something to everybody. We need to expand ours by letting the disenfranchised Obama supporter know that while we may not pass a law favoring your group that they will be treated exactly the same as everyone else.
Report Post »Agentuntomyself
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 9:57pm@rowgue,
Report Post »Sorry, but libertarians do exist. I can only speak for myself, but I am a libertarian because I don’t need a bunch of legislators or anyone else telling me how to be a moral person. I don that all on my own, thanks, and I do it pretty well. I only need the government to protect my basic rights so that other people can’t kill me, take my stuff, or restrict my freedom to practice my religion. Other than that, I can pretty much govern myself. The problem with social conservatives is that they seem to be really worried about making sure that no one is committing any sins, and instead of just being a good example of a moral person and speaking out against immorality (which is HARD and often EMBARRASSING) they want to legislate it (which is EASY and ANONYMOUS). It is the same as the liberals who want to force everyone to help others (compassion/charity) by passing legislation like Obamacare, because then they don’t have to give as much of their own resources and they still are able to feel good about themselves. It is all forced morality, no matter which side you are on.
Rowgue
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:05pmConservatives don’t believe in forced morality either. They oppose it which is why they oppose the gay agenda and their attempts to legislate acceptance of their lifestyle.
Go back to the libertarian website and find some more talking points kiddo.
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:24pmSome think this issue of perverted homosexual lifestyles is settled, and it is. It is condemned by history as destructive to societies throughout time. Condemned by the Bible which I have actually read and studied and found to be the most real and useful thing I have ever been exposed to. Condemned by statistics which show almost 100 % of molested children molested by 2% of the population( homosexuals). And by high levels of suicide (blamed on others) which in science says this is not a healthy lifestyle. Also the ones I have known were not very savory. It is not settled. We who actually think say go away from us and never come near our children or pets. If you will do what you do, what else is going on in your weak nasty minds. When I was a young man and I took this stance people would say I was probably Homosexual myself as I put up such a fuss. Well I am now 60 and I have never desired the same sex. Chew on that awhile.God I love America.
Report Post »Aldo_the_Apche
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:43pmwe dont need just social republicans we need a strong unified fiscally conservative party there is no room for ppl who want to legislate for social reform thats how we got the financial reform based on justice…
Report Post »ConservativeJoe
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:52pmConservatives should unit under ALL conservative principles. Social and Fiscal. We cannot choose the principles we wish to and ignore the rest. Homosexuality is a social scourge and should be treated as such.
Report Post »Agentuntomyself
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 10:57pm@Rowgue
Agreed. The gay agenda is, ultimately, one that seeks to force social and moral acceptance of their lifestlye upon everyone, and I am opposed to that. However, I was responding to your comment about libertarians just being conservatives who don’t have the guts to not be PC. Not true. I just happen to make a real effort to be philosophically honest. And I have a real problem with people who oppose gay marriage(which I also oppose) but think it is okay for the government to be involved at all in marriage. It is a religious ceremony that should be left to the churches to perform and practice, not the government. The government should have never gotten involved in it in the first place. There is no “natural right” that involves marriage. I also think it is ridiculous for people to complain about the teaching of the gay agenda in our public schools(which I oppose), but not understand why someone who is jewish wouldn’t like Christian concepts being taught to their publicly educated children. It’s all fine and dandy to have the government involved in running every aspect of your lives when the majority of those running things share your values and beliefs. But what happens when they don’t? I think we are getting the answer to that question now. Public schools are great if you can gaurantee that everyone thinks exactly the way you do. So is communism.
How many conservatives really want government out of their lives? How would be willing to dismantle the Dept. of Education, the Fed, Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare, all the wasteful government spending that benefits them personally but also controls them in some way? Let’s be honest – not many. Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too. How about you?
Report Post »p.s. as for talking points, I don’t know of any. I am a full grown woman with four kids, a mortgage and a college education. I have never taken government assistance of any kind, even when we were well below the poverty level and easily qualified for it. I generally put my money where my mouth is. I come by my opinions honestly – through experience, a lot of thought, and a willingness to be true to what I believe.
thepatriotdave
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:16pmNigel2,
Reagan did indeed say that, but he was also smart enough to know that it didn’t mean you have to agree or accept those things that are immoral!
AzDebi
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:29pm@ISLESFORDIAN and TOIDIEGALLIV…great responses…I’m impressed and I completely agree with both of you! God Bless You for being so articulate and honorable! You are both a blessing!
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on December 28, 2010 at 11:55pm@P C BE DAMNED
QUOTE:
“almost 100 % of molested children molested by 2% of the population( homosexuals)”
I want to see where you’ve gotten these statistics. I’ve called you out on your blatant disregard for citing facts but rather make up the stats as you go along.
Also, as far as no Libertarians other than Conservatives with no guts, that’s a complete fallacy. A Libertarian actually has more guts by standing against public pressure and personal feelings against an issue and stands up for what is actually justified in our law and Constitution.
Some of you say the gays are legislating you into acceptance. If that is the case, they are in the wrong. But as small government advocates, for you to stand there and say Government to legislate them out of existence is hypocritical. They want the same rights as you do. They don’t want to be discriminated again in the yes of the Government. That’s all they are alloted. I don’t believe you as a homeowner or business owner should be forced to welcome them on your property but they have equal right to live and breathe as anyone else.
Conservatives are suppose to believe in individual liberty. The individual homosexual wants the liberty to live their life in the manner they see fit. It is not your place to dictate to them. No one can force you to tolerate them. No one can force you to ever like them, or accept them. But as long as they are not harming you or restricting your right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, they can do what they want to do on their own property and lives.
Report Post »FreetownBill
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 12:04amSo much for moral principles – Read the 5000 Year Leap and learn some history!
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 12:07amFiscal conservative is liberal speak for progressive, without morals you aren’t conservative.
Report Post »VindexPoplicola
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 12:46amNIGEL 2: “Wasn’t it Reagan who said you could not legislate morality?” First of all I can not find any reference where Reagan said this. Please provide. I found references where Jesse Ventura said it.
Second, every time a law is passed it is legislating morality. The issue is who’s morality do you want.
The left says it is immoral for wealthy people to keep the money they earn. So they pass a progressive tax code to legislate their version of morality.
Progressives say it is immoral that we do not provide healthcare and a house to everyone. So they pass Obamacare and regulate banks forcing them to lend to people who can not afford to pay them back.
So the right says homosexuality is immoral. So they try to pass legislation to block gay marriage. Progressives say banning homosexuals from marrying is immoral, so they are trying to pass a law to force states to allow it.
Every law that is passed is someone’s version of morality. Stealing, rape, lying under oath, murder, all moral issues.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:08amNo, ROWGUE, “conservatives” ARE libertarians, most just don’t know it yet.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 4:57amhave to agree with swampy…unless conservatism has changed….and I agree with the organizations that do not want to bend on what they believe in…too much of that going on already…do what you say and say what you mean…no gray area…
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 8:08amI am an American.A Natural born American. I could not fully appreciate our US Constitution -nor the
Report Post »Founding Fathers until I understood some of what they listened to and debated and circulated among themselves-i.e. the political sermons of the founding era. When one excludes the Christian aspect of the Founding they get a distorted view. And misunderstanding abounds. The US Army trained us to consider the Founding fathers- what they wrote-what they expected. If it was good enough for them when we were on the ascendant– and good enough for us when we trained to oppose the Soviet Communist(69-77) -it ought still be wise counsel today.I will not attend CPAC -but I will vote. and I will NOT vote for any I cannot see producing the fruits of the Spirit For I am a Patriot who lauds the more distinguished character of Christian.
jgeezy
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 10:25amWhy do people care so much about what gays do?
Report Post »Hanna
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 10:27amWhile it is true we have some major economic issues to be concerned about, let us not burn the house down in order to put steak on the table rather than beans. I would far rather beans on a clean table than steak on a dirty one.
Report Post »Hanna
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 10:44amAgentuntomyself, no one wants to tell you how to be a moral person. If you want to be a homosexual, by all means do that, but DO NOT SHOVE IT IN MY FACE. Do not make my children have to read a book in school that tells them that having two mommies is cool, do not change the meaning of marriage so that MY MARRIAGE no longer means that I am a woman, having to deal with living with a member of the opposite sex and all THAT entails, I certainly don’t want anyone to think I have spent the last 45 years with a girlfriend. That has to be SO EASY in comparison. Call it something else, anything else, it is simply NOT marriage. What you do is your business so long as it doesn’t impact me. When it starts impacting me, then its my business and I will fight you every inch of the way.
This business about saying social conservatives want to legislate morality….please, who is it that is seeking legislation on the gay issue??? Abortion was legislated INTO being, not out…..unfortunately. Religion in schools was legislated OUT not IN………and on that has done us a world of good has it not???? NOT. So stop the oh so worn out clenches and spin. We are really very tired of it and if you think for one minute that athe social conservatives are going to melt into the woodwork you have another think coming.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 10:46amTo say your **** and Conservative in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
To be **** is totally against almost all religions so it’s not conservative there; To be **** means you also go against Nature as nature doesn‘t create things and attract them if they can’t reproduce so not conservative there.
To be Conservative means what? I think that is the plan of the lefty Homos, change the Conservative party or cause a split.
With that said, I also do not believe it’s Governments job to decide what marriage is and regulate them. Marriage has and always will be a religious ceremony. Should be left that way. Since we allowed Government to regulate marriage we opened the door for we have to treat people equal, always, otherwise we break our values and principles and get stuck between a rock and hard spot.
Conservatives need to go back to their roots….Small small Government, that’s it, and let everyone be what everyone decides to be….
Report Post »Agentuntomyself
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:05pm@Hanna,
For crying out loud, did you even read what I wrote? I’m not disagreeing with any of you about the moral issues here. I am against gay marriage. I don’t want my children taught about homosexuality at school, either. I don’t want the gay-agenda (which is considered a moral issue on their side) shoved down my throat. But the only way to make sure that doesn’t happen is to keep government out of moral issues as much as possible by sticking to those basic rights that are outlined in Constitution. Why? because every law we make is based on a moral issue – rape, stealing, murder, etc. All law is based on some kind of moral code. But whose morals? So far, our laws have been (mostly) based on the Judeo-Christian ethic. And that’s great for those of us who believe in that particular ethic. But how much longer will that be the case?
You have a large segment of the population who is now questioning why marriage has to be defined as between a man and a woman, because they aren’t particularly dedicated to the religious doctrines of the bible. Eventually, those of use who are will be in the minority and gay marriage will be legalized. It is only a matter of time. The best way to protect our own value system is to base our laws ONLY on the basic rights of the Constitution and keep the government out of the rest of it. If the government would have stayed out of marriage in the first place and left it to the churches to perform and practice, this wouldn’t even be an issue. Churches would be the only ones performing marriages and those churches dedicated to following the teachings of the bible would refuse to perform marriages for gay couples. The best way to keep from having other people‘s values forced upon us is to make sure we don’t hand over that power to anyone else.
Report Post »stephenb.net
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:10pmRemember that name, Ryan Sorba and if you have any smarts about you, avoid anything he does like the plague.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.- Jesus.
How dare you in a room filled with Americans discussing politics decide that one group is not welcome over another. Why not address all of the wife beaters, the married practicing infidelity, the pedophiles, the liars and thieves that are in the room as well? Why? Because there would be none left IN the room you hypocrite!
Ryan Sorba you and all that think like you are a disgrace to humanity. Gay Americans have every right afforded them as straight Americans and as long as they obey the laws of this country any sin that they indulge in is between that individual and their God. Shame on you.
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:29pmI think calling yourself a Conservative and Anti-Homosexual Liberty is an oxymoron. It‘s easy to be conservatives and want small government unless it’s something that makes you uncomfortable. Then it’s all about BIG Government protecting you from the filthy gays.
Report Post »theDfactor
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:59pmWhy not just ship all the queers and muslims to the middle east where they can fornicate with each other and animals to their hearts desire. Just as long as they keep pumping oil to us…!
AngryMobOfOne
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 6:59pmThe people still beating a social issue drum are apparently oblivious that we are currently fighting an existential war on several fronts and we are perilously close to losing. Many, in fact, believe it is already too late to win and all there is time to do is prepare to ride out some deadly, rough years. Either way, we had better come together in a broad group that wants there TO BE an America, pull together, and worry about the details later.
Report Post »DanB
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 7:01pmHere is a quote I seem to recall hearing, “misery loves company.” Now I don’t think all homosexuals are miserable. I just happen to think that it is a sin. And how often do those who sin justify and seek to encourage others to do likewise. Drugs. Alcohol abuse. Violence….
Do laws relate to all sins? Originally, laws only referred to the crimes of murder, violence, theft, and so forth. You were punished for what you did. In that regards, no matter what I think of homosexuality, there would have been no conflict for me. As long as they did not violate my rights or seek to enforce their viewpoint by force (which would be a violation of my rights) then so be it. I see no reason that they should be punished by the law for their beliefs as long as they abide the law. And as far as I know, the only “law” that actually punished homosexuality that I know of was DADT. Perhaps there are others. The majority of laws regarding homosexuality that I know of actually grant them “rights”–created by the government–or in essence are laws over thoughts. No man should be beaten up by another, but now we have hate crime because it is more “okay” for a Christian to beaten up than it is for a ****-sexual to be beaten??? Neither case is any worse in my book. The person that hated the homosexual was within their right to hate (although hate destroys the soul–but the destruction of their soul is between God and them–I am not Christ so I cannot save a man from his sins). When they take that hate and make it an action, then the law should have hold, but only in as much as they violated the law–not some special rules for hating homosexuals. What if they don’t hate homosexuals but just believe it is a sin, can these hate crime laws tell the difference between someone who was violent and thinks homosexuality is a sin and someone else who violent to homosexuals? Should the law distinguish? In both cases, some is violent and breaks the law, but now we have hate crimes that will punish one man over another for the exact same actions based upon our perceptions of their thoughts….
The problem comes in that we have become a society trying to reshape the thoughts and beliefs of the people. Everyone is in on this it seems. That is why I am opposed to the “gay movement” because as individuals they are fine but as a group they tend to seek that their view be made enforceable by the law. How long will it be before it is illegal for me to teach my children that being homosexual is morally wrong and an abomination before God. See, they probably want this gone. Gone. Gone. Gone. In fact, a “gay rights” group sent a representative to my Church leaders asking for just that. Having lost their argument with the Church leaders, will they then turn to the law to enforce their viewpoint? It is the equal rights enforced by the law that is the dangerous and slippery slope. It sounds good. Equal rights we can all agree upon. But what does that really mean here? That means that they must take away my right to believe it is a sin. It is BIG government by another name…. for once government is involved in our individual beliefs, then it is can and will be involved in everything else.
Now if the “gay movement” were willing to accept that government should not enforce gay marriage or a bunch of other homosexual agenda items but rather focused on getting government out of all these matters, then I might be okay with the “gay movement.” I would still disagree on the morality of the issue but I would rest assured that government was not going to be used to regulate how I should believe and perhaps it would get back to the roots of just punishing me for my unlawful actions instead of thought crimes (or trying to push certain ways of thinking). You could say that since government has been trying to mold Americans into a certain way of thinking so that we are easier to control, it should not surprise you that many “alternative” morals have cropped up that seek to become a part of the government education program.
When I consider my faith in Christ and His Second Coming, I wonder how much “government” and “societal” education I am going to have to unlearn (assuming I survive the “cleansing” of the earth). For although I suspect my thoughts are not “government approved” I hope that I am not foolish enough to think that I have escaped improper thinking–I am not perfect and am constantly learning new things or unlearning incorrect things (not easy to do).
Report Post »AngryMobOfOne
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 8:16pmThe people still beating a social issue drum are apparently oblivious that we are currently fighting an existential war on several fronts and we are perilously close to losing. Some believe it is already too late to win and all there is time to do is prepare to ride out some deadly, rough years. Either way, we had better come together in a broad group that wants there TO BE an America, pull together, and worry about the details later.
Spending our time debating these social issues right now is like standing on the deck of the Titanic and refusing to board the lifeboats until they are repainted to the CORRECT color. Seriously. We just don’t have time for this nonsense. Suck it up.
Report Post »DarKangelAZRAEL
Posted on December 30, 2010 at 8:55amHere! Here! Americansoldier you hit the nail on the head. I personally believe that gays must have the same rights as us. We cannot legislate them to our understanding of morality through our acceptance of Christ. It would be akin to legislating that they must believe in the religion that the majority of American Christians believe. Does anyone think GOD or Christ would want us to hoist this upon those who would not willingly accept it? I for one would not want to meet my maker after having helped make an entire population of people feel less than human. People need to get off the gay train and help the gays have as much personal liberty as we would want for ourselves. NUFF SAID.
Report Post »blacksmith
Posted on December 30, 2010 at 2:29pm@ Rowgue
Report Post »I am a Libertarian and a Christian. I believe that one of Christs major teachings is freewill. If you choose not to work, and are healthy, then you also choose to starve. If you choose to be a drug addict than that is your choice. If you choose to ignore the teachings of Christ then you choose to die an eternal death.I have no control over your mortal soul as I should have no control over your personal decisions. I don’t make your decisions so I should not have to subsidize you. That means I don’t pay for your healthcare,food,lodging,children or anything else that you choose to do unless I choose to help you of my own accord. To me that is what being a Libertarian and a Christian is.
booklvr51
Posted on December 30, 2010 at 2:50pm“A house divided against itself cannot stand.” The conservative house’s frame is the Constitution. Homosexuality and its pros and cons is not an issue upon which we should be focused as our house is being dismantled by socialists nor is it one that we should allow to divide us so that our house will implode. You may feel that homosexuality is immoral but that does not mean that homosexuals should be excluded from our mission. Jesus welcomed prostitutes into His.
Report Post »jackrorabbit
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 2:37amWho gives a rats rear end where their preferences lie. Personally, I am heterosexual, and happy. This is a non-issue for me. Fiscal responsibility, smaller government, and strict adherence to the Constitution now rule my voting decisions. Anything else simply blurs the lines. Government doesn‘t belong in anyone’s bedroom.
Report Post »jackrorabbit
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 2:57amAfter reading most of this argument about what is right and what isn’t. I shall quote Thomas Jefferson
“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ”
Note the key here is bodily harm or financial harm, anything else doesn’t belong to the government to legislate. That is a true libertarian point of view.
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