‘Incompatible With Christian Teaching’: Methodists Vote to Uphold Church Stance on Homosexuality
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TAMPA, Fla. (The Blaze/AP) — After an emotional debate, Methodists at a national legislative meeting Thursday upheld the denomination’s policy that same-sex relationships are “incompatible with Christian teaching.’”
Delegates at the General Conference voted by about 60 percent to 40 percent against softening the language on homosexuality in their Book of Discipline, which contains church laws and doctrine. The meeting is held once every four years, which means the policy won’t come up for a conference vote again until 2016.
(Related: United Methodists Strike Down Two Resolutions Calling for Divestment From Israel)
This is yet another noteworthy vote to be held on a controversial issue this week by Methodists. As The Blaze previously reported, on Wed., May 2, the denomination twice voted to reject resolutions that called for a divestment from companies accused of assisting Israel in the ongoing dispute over Middle Eastern lands.
Advocates for gay and lesbian Methodists gathered in the convention hall wearing rainbow stoles and protested the vote by singing and interrupting the meeting. Some cried when the vote tally was announced. Methodist leaders briefly shut down business in response to the protest.
With just under 8 million U.S. members, the United Methodist Church is the largest mainline Protestant denomination in the country, with a significant and growing membership of more than 4 million overseas. However, the number of Methodists is shrinking inside the U.S., while expanding in African and Asian countries where the church is theologically conservative.
Several overseas delegates spoke against any change in church law on homosexuality, arguing that the Bible forbids same-gender relationships and that homosexuality was not accepted in their countries. One African delegate, speaking through a translator, compared homosexuality to bestiality.
Methodists have been debating their church stand on homosexuality for four decades. Other mainline Protestant denominations – including the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) and the United Church of Christ – have in recent years moved toward accepting gay and lesbian couples. The United Church of Christ has gone the farthest by affirming gay marriage.
The Methodist meeting will continue Friday.
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Comments (167)
Granny58
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:35amThis makes me want to join the United Methodist Church. Think I’ll give it a look.
Report Post »zoro51
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:23amhey nothing new here the ONE place that should be a refuge IS SRTILL A HATE FILLED SANTUM.. no wonder the church has so many problems.. REJECTION is but one they throw at my people… . HATE n discrimination… whats next DEATH… will the christian church be the NEW murdering MUSLUMS of america???
jstan442
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:52amyou don’t compromise with evil-God says it is an abomination-i stand with God not duplicitous man who sways whichever the wind blows
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:18amjstan442
Report Post »Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:52am
you don’t compromise with evil-God says it is an abomination-i stand with God not duplicitous man who sways whichever the wind blows
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God said Jack on the subject, just some rantings of nomadic goat herders that the Catholic Church compiled into a book in the 1500′s.
kaydeebeau
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:31am@ encinoMoron…don’t you ever learn? The Old Testament has been around since long before 1500 as a matter of fact the text in Hebrew is completely unchanged since it was written down the first time. And in the Old Testament, God most definitely calls homosexuality a sin against Himself.
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:37amFYI the order of the books of the Bible (old testament) was established well before the time of Christ; the New Testament was well established by the 4th century; and as there are enough manuscripts that date to that time, I would say that the date of “1500′s” given by one poster is a figure that was hastily removed from someone’s rectal cavity.
Report Post »The interesting part of this article is that the Methodists have been debating the issue of homosexuality for “four decades”. That is puzzling because the Bible is quite clear on the subject (as well as other sins..) The issue is not the sin per se but whether or not Methodists believe that the Bible is in fact the Word of God.
Pontiac
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:10amHomosexuals can achieve the same legal status through civil unions. Why homosexual bigots are so obsessed with using terms religious bigots already abuse I’ll never know… It’s nothing more than a contract recognized by government. You don’t need the endorsement of some “flying spaghetti monster” you probably don’t even believe in.
Report Post »candymanal
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:33amOne has to wonder how far this will go and what is next?
Report Post »“I love my dog. Can I marry her?” Or how about this. “Farmer Jack, loves his cow. Can he marry her?”
The bible is text, written back in the day, granted. But any form of rewording it, will mean chaos.
Only a politician, would seek to interpret the words, to justify his own ends.
Of course with the new wave of anarchists, there’s no telling what they believe, anymore.
NeoFan
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:45amI am only familiar with one faith that is actively engaged in murdering homosexuals on a daily basis. Do you have proof of another one?
Report Post »gramma b
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:46amAnd what, exactly is wrong with the comparison to bestiality? Homosexuality and bestiality are both deviant behavior. Sexual attraction and sexual intercourse have an obvious biological purpose. The urge to have intercourse with a person of the same sex is an obvious dysfunction, by any objective measure. For one thing, same sex couples can’t have intercourse, they can only imitate it. Sexual attraction is for the propagation of the species. Just as two men can’t propagate, neither can a man and an animal of another species. Deviant behavior is deviant behavior.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:54am[But any form of rewording it, will mean chaos.]
Is your bible written in Hebrew?
[Only a politician, would seek to interpret the words, to justify his own ends.]
Report Post »Like a…King?
napoleon_solo
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 12:05pmThank you Bob. BTW Zorro, do you wear that outfit and use the sword when you are in the bedroom with “your people?”
Report Post »G-WHIZ
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 12:13pmGod “made” normal humans….the Devil made…Howard Kaynes. You sir, are dupped by the latter.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 12:31pmJGraham III
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:37am
FYI the order of the books of the Bible (old testament) was established well before the time of Christ; the New Testament was well established by the 4th century; and as there are enough manuscripts that date to that time, I would say that the date of “1500′s” given by one poster is a figure that was hastily removed from someone’s rectal cavity.
The interesting part of this article is that the Methodists have been debating the issue of homosexuality for “four decades”. That is puzzling because the Bible is quite clear on the subject (as well as other sins..) The issue is not the sin per se but whether or not Methodists believe that the Bible is in fact the Word of God.
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Fool,
The Bible was finally agreed upon and assemble during the Council of Trent in the mid 1500′s. The problem is that mindless Christian zombies actually believe a book of fairy tales is the literal truth.
Report Post »Leader1776
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 12:46pm@ZORO51
Report Post »‘I think the “LADY” dost protest too much’ LOL
Commander8080
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:01pmA sin is still a sin and like children that you want to keep playing in the street. For there own good you need to remind them always. The Sin needs to stop and not be accepted.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:34pmdagoff2003 – The Christian Church as led by the Apostles can be found in the New Testament. Any variants from this Church that are not back by divine revelation through Apostles and Prophets would be man made.
A Christian is far more than one who believes in Christ. A Christian follows (or attempts to follow) all of Christ’s doctrines, not just those doctrines he chooses to accept.
Report Post »2Fedup
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 2:10pmAnyone who knows anything about God knows that hes all about absolute truth. Absolute truth does not change over time w culture and attitudes n society. Commiting a homosexual act is considered a sin n judeo-christianity. Theres no bending around that. There are many things that r sins tho. I sin all the time as does everyone else, its the nature of humanity. It would b convenient to hav all of our favorite sins no longer called sins so we never hav to feel bad about them, but thats not the nature of absolute truth. Refusing to not call homosexuality a sin does not mean gay people shouldnt b allowed n church. Nor does it mean no christian should ever befriend someone gay or b polite. Its simply sticking to the values taught by God’s messangers.
Report Post »Carol1955
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 2:41pmThe church is a refuge for sinners not for sin.
Report Post »REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 2:51pm@ MCSLEDGE (and the rest of y’all) – All “so-called” Christians claim to follow Christ or attempt to anyway, but most don’t… not really. Christ kept the Holy Days mentioned in Lev. 23(and other places throughout the Bible). He told us to keep these throughout our generations(this would mean… forever!). God gave us 10 commandments which are all-encompassing of God’s “Agape” love. ONE of those, is to keep the 7th day holy. The 7th day is Saturday… why are only a few people(in comparison to the millions of so-called Christians) the only ones that believe in this, and keep the 7th day as their Sabbath? He gives us instructions on what to eat and not eat… health laws for our on good, of course… but, who listens to that? So very few. 99% of the planet believes they should be able to do what they want, as long as they’re “good people”. This is where homosexuality comes into play as well. Those who reason around scripture to make it “okay to do what they want to do”, is of the devil. God TELLS us this in his inspired instruction book to all mankind. A car maker, does not create a car without giving you a manual on how to use it. Correct? Same with God. He didn’t create man and put him on this earth to just roam willy nilly doing whatever he danged well pleased. He gave us an instruction book of laws, dotted with history and prophecy… all for the good of mankind, and the church. When we transgress the law, which is sin and the wages of sin i
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 3:45pmencinomon- you are confusing the Doctrine of Trent with the Bible.
Report Post »The Doctrine was established with the council. They used the bible to answer very tough theological,intellectual and philosophical questions people have.
You might want to familiarize yourself with Apologetics. (which don’t have anything to do with being sorry). Repentance is the first step in salvation-as long as your run your universe your arrogance will fail you.
REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 3:46pm… crap… the wages of sin is DEATH!! Need we say more?
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 4:30pm@ECINOM
Another day, another pointing out of your complete dunder-headed understanding of the Bible. Look up the Received Text or the Receptus Textus I believe in the Greek. That is what the King James Bible is based on. They were always accepted as cannonized scripture even from the early church. (Study Polycarp, early christian leader and martyr). The Council of Trent was about the cannonization of the catholic church’s bible which is vastly different that the Bible protestants (and this story is about Methodists) use. So again,
EPIC FAIL!
Report Post »AmericanFightingMan1
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 4:32pmMan’s law (in this case, gay marriage) versus God’s law.
There is no middle ground. Either you believe, or you do not. The issue is forced upon us all now. Venture the fork in the road. It takes courage to ignore political correctness and the bullying of the hardcore Left.
One may twist and turn and rationalized all you want. Decide. Turn your back on man‘s law or God’s law. No middle ground. Decide. It is a decision each person must make.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 4:37pmencinom
Encinom check it out dude. One of the 1st get together over the books on the New Testament was the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. Who ever told you 1500s was blowing smoke up your tail pipe.
Also Biblical archeology is very important. It shows us that the Old testament is not changing.
I would never assume that a person who went to a repu8table seminary has a low IQ & doesn;’ know what they are talking about, when it comes to religion. Maybe you shouldn’t either.
Report Post »psychokittis
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:50am@encinom-Yes, God did say that homosexual actions are to him an abomination. He also said that if a person repents from trhat (or any sin) that he will forgive and pardon that sin.
Report Post »And, if you’d bothered to check the records, the Bible as we know it was compiled from hundreds of texts in 421 A.D. at during a conference called by Roman EmperorConstantine after he became a (nominal) Christian.
I suggest that you try studying a little more history before you try to date something. You don’t come across as informed.
Mil Mom
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:51am@REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 3:46pm
… crap… the wages of sin is DEATH!! Need we say more
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YES! ” But, the gift of GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD !”(Romans 6:23 KJV)
If you only quote the first you only condemn yourself along with EVERY OTHER HUMAN WHO EVER LIVED BUT JESUS, the importance of the last part IS NECESSARY! We don’t have to live in fear of death and eternal separation from God, because the ONE PERFECT Human being to ever lived paid the debt of our sin on that CROSS, and if we but ask Him, He’ll forgive our sins, and put it into the line of accounts paid on that cross, and the ledger won’t just have an empty space, but the entry that THE ACCOUNT IS PAID IN FULL, (with much to spare because God’s Holiness, is so much more valuable than ALL the collective sin of mankind through ALL ETERNITY!)
mr.goodvibe
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:34amI know dude I can not stand when SRTILL SANTUM’s act like that, it is so gay! BTW have you ever watched the movie Zorro The Gay Blade, it is FABULOUS!
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:46am@encinom: You need to educate yourself. The dead sea scrolls (old testament) are much older than the year 1500.
Report Post »holycow
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 8:53amHomosexuals are welcome in any Catholic Church that I know of and go to. Just don’t ask to be married by a priest. Marriage is a religious sacrament and as such we follow Biblical beliefs whether you like it or not. What is wrong with civil ceremonies? I was married by a Justice of the Peace in a civil ceremony because my husband had been married before in a Christian ceremony and did not get an annulment. Did I have a fit with the Church that I could not be married by a priest. No I did not. Did I get mad that we needed to get him annulled to do it? No I did not. Should the Church stick to their principles? Yes they should, tough on me, tough on them.
Report Post »GitMoFunky
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:39pmencinom
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 12:31pm
JGraham III
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:37am
FYI the order of the books of the Bible (old testament) was established well before the time of Christ; the New Testament was well established by the 4th century; and as there are enough manuscripts that date to that time, I would say that the date of “1500′s” given by one poster is a figure that was hastily removed from someone’s rectal cavity.
The interesting part of this article is that the Methodists have been debating the issue of homosexuality for “four decades”. That is puzzling because the Bible is quite clear on the subject (as well as other sins..) The issue is not the sin per se but whether or not Methodists believe that the Bible is in fact the Word of God.
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Fool,
The Bible was finally agreed upon and assemble during the Council of Trent in the mid 1500′s. The problem is that mindless Christian zombies actually believe a book of fairy tales is the literal truth.”
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The Council of Trent? Seriously? How long did it take you to find some obscure reference in a google search to use to back you up? If you’re trying to use this to assert that the Bible was just dreamed up by some council 1500 years after then events the Bible is depicting actually took place, you are ignorant. Keep reading. Actually, try reading the Bible itself, in it’s entirety. Then form your opinion based of your own objective thoughts, not what GLBT websites
Rohawk
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 1:33amI don’t see how anyone can complain when Christians follow wht they know to be the Word of God! A Christian that doesn‘t like the Bible has a problem with God and a denomination that doesn’t affirm God’s Word against criticism has departed from the faith. Once you deny any part of the Bible as fact any other religious opinion you might have is worthlessly subjective. You might as well hang out with Shirly McClain and ask her for a new revelation.
A religion that has no final authority is nothing more than a social club. As someone who HAD been a thrid generation United Church Of Christ I can tell you how meaningless that is.
Report Post »GreatCeasersGhost
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:17amThe reason why faith is possible is because the object of our faith is unchanging. If the object were to change at the whims of imperfect people, doubt would begin to creep in. Where doubt exists, faith is not. Homosexuality has been against God’s laws from the beginning of man. That will never change.
Report Post »Rohawk
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 1:36amI think the context of Leviticus putting homosexuality in verses between beastiality and witchcraft is all you need to know how serious a sin it is to God.
Report Post »Amy
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:02amThe debate: “incompatible with Christian teachings.” I am not familiar with the Methodist Book of Discipline. What is/was denied through church discipline? Something is incompatible here.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:32amIt is basically the articles of Faith / doctrine / statement of belief for the Methodist Church.
Report Post »G-WHIZ
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 12:10pmGod did not “make” churches…Man made churches. God didin’t say: “yea shal only pray in a man-made building, infront of a man-made idol/cross, with all thesame-words-all-over-the-whole-world ‘hommily’, only on sunday…and the building shal be made of gold taken from all the poor who pay thinking it’s for GOD and his Glory”. God uses no “ATM”…earthly$$ mean nothing to Him. The uberly-rich and the perpetually-broke person(s) both have the abillity to go to heaven–or not.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:10am@Amy
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:02am
The debate: “incompatible with Christian teachings.” I am not familiar with the Methodist Book of Discipline. What is/was denied through church discipline? Something is incompatible her
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As a childhood Methodist, (God took me on a journey through 3 churches, now a Baptist) I had a chance after my conversion to study the Methodist Discipline, to enter into church membership. The meaning is that this is the teachings by which Methodists should discipline their lives. In many churches it’s considered Articles of Faith. It is the affirmed beliefs in modern language,in which the church stated the beliefs and behaviors by which they should be known and by which each person joining that church or being raised up as leaders, pastors, and church board members agrees upon as the essentials of their lives. Although it’s not really meant to be used to discipline members, to behave in flagrant violation of them would be cause to be removed from the church.
Rohawk
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 1:39amReminds me of a Leno joke about the Bapists having a convention to see what they believe to which he said “I thought that‘s what the Bible’s for.
Report Post »disenlightened
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:40amSo, a gay man goes to a Methodist church one Sunday. As the offering basket is passed, he drops in a big wad of bills.
When the basket gets back to the minister, he notices the wad of money and announces: “Someone here was very generous in the offering today. I would like to ask the person who gave this large amount of money to please stand.”
The gay man stood up.
The minister continued, “Well, sir, we certainly do appreciate your generosity. And to show our appreciation, I’m going to let you select your three favorite hymns.”
“Okay,” the gay man replied, “I’ll take him, him and him!”
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:03amFunny!
Report Post »Publius
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:38amWhy are they called Protestant?
Report Post »dagoff2003
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:34amOriginally Protestants were labeled as such because they were in protest over the teachings of the Catholic church. All protestants share a common ideology, in that they do not pray to saints, or Mary. They do not believe that the priest can forgive their sins (Only God can do that). I hear people all the time ask “What religion are you?” and the person asked will respond, “Baptist” (or whatever church they belong to). Please understand that the religion is Christian, you’re affiliation is Baptist (or whatever church you belong to).
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:37amBecause they protested against teachings of the Catholic church. Slept in school?
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:53amActually the term ‘protestant’ meaning to object (in this case to Roman Catholic doctrines and practices) was invented by Rome and subtlly casts the “protestant” into the role of being wrong, or on the outside looking in. The word comes from latin “pros” or toward and “testari” to call to witness. Protestants were always witnessing about their faith in Jesus Christ apart from needing the intermediary of the RC priest, and the RC’s were mocking them by calling them “protestants”.
Report Post »Incidentally an ancient method of swearing truthfully is recorded in the Bible in a phrase “putting the hand under the thigh” Literally, a man would swear by grabbing his testicles with his left hand and raise his right to “swear to the truth”. The word ‘testicles’ means “little witnesses”…really!
Mil Mom
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:23am@Publius
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:38am
Why are they called Protestant?
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Because in the waning days of the Roman Empire, the Emperor became a Christian and decreed that ALL MEN AND WOMEN IN THE WORLD SHOULD BE CHRISTIANS. (Something, God NEVER DID, but gave all free will.) From there on the World Wide Catholic Church was formed and when men and women didn’t need to convert but only obey church rules, with a Pope setting up ways men could purchase forgiveness for certain sins, the truth of the scriptures was forgotten. Only those studying for priesthood were permitted to study scripture, and Martin Luther, who studied for the pulpit, was converted and protested, with others of the time, and translated the scriptures for all men. There was a war between 2 popes and the 2 groups split up with much bloodshed. The “Protestants” refused to follow the ways not in the Scriptures, and for many generations Catholics and Protestants had open hostility. (ask the Irish.) [Short condensation but the reason in a nutshell.]
usmc1063
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:29amMy hats off to the Methodist because we all know that this will not sit well with Barry and the Liberal Lefties. I can only imagine what Dan Savage little mind is concocting about this. Look this is God’s word not the word of those who think that they are smarter and above everyone else. Besides that Methodist are still permitted under our Constitution to worship as they please not as others want them to.
Report Post »quovadis
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 12:05pmDan Savage’s mind and other parts are obviously focused on some other same-sex person’s body parts, so I don’t think he will respond too quickly. He has to come up for air sometime. though.
Report Post »Pastor Melissa
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:20amThere are issues big enough to split denominations and these issues are the ones directly tied to the original holy rites of the Catholic church. In the Disciples of Christ tradition we celebrate 4 of those rites: communion, baptism, marriage, and funerals.
Report Post »When you take a hard stance on a rite (which there always comes a time you should) no matter which direction that stance goes it will lead to a denominational break. For Disciples, who broke with Presbyterians, the issue was communion. For many denominations today the issue could be marriage. In the United States our churches are close to failure already. Please realize, it didn’t matter how the vote turned out it is still bad. When Luther posted his points on the church door the Catholic church was strong. They could handle the split. We do not have that strength today.
Leader1776
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:19pmUnfortunately (right or wrong) scripture is open to interpretation. Hence, the inter and intra-denominational disputes. At first blush, one might say as long as the church can center their belief structure on the written WORD, then those dissenting have little or no standing. All too often the disputes are a result of difference in interpretation even within a given denomination.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:41pmLeader1776 – That‘s why Christ’s Church is led by Him through divine revelation. The Bible provides direction. Man’s interpretation often errors. God’s revealed word through His earthly spokesmen (prophets and apostles) correctly interpret the Word of God.
Report Post »azghost
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:17amWhen the church ( the body of Christ ) choose’s the church over the word of God the division begins. case in point (Delegates at the General Conference voted by about 60 percent to 40 percent against softening the language on homosexuality in their Book of Discipline, which contains church laws and doctrine.) Denominational Church‘s have for a long time moved away from the word of God and it’s showing, I stay away from them and attend a bible based Church, I find their teachings are Bible based and not full of church rules that don’t mirror Gods word. Either you’re following Gods word or the churches word! You will soon find out which one is powerful. My Family & I will stay with God’s word.
Report Post »Rohawk
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 1:44amI thought it was fitting that when they allowed homosexuals to preach it the ELCA those in favor were 66.6%. As another sign the cross was knocked off the church in a storm!
Report Post »lizsum
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:17amMr. Oshawott: You are wrong in your definition. Here is the definition:”Abomination (noun) anything provoking a feeling of extreme disgust, revulsion, abhorrence, detestation and/or loathing.” Nothing ambiguous about that!!
Report Post »tmarends
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 3:57pmYes… and according to a verse in Exodus (I don’t have the exact verse at my fingertips at the moment), it was an abomination to the Egyptians if they were to share a meal with the Hebrews. Apparently it is still an abomination to many Egyptians today as well.
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:54am@LizSum
“Mr. Oshawott, you are wrong in your definition. Here is the definition: ‘Abomination (noun) – anything provoking a feeling of extreme disgust, revulsion, abhorrence, detestation, and/or loathing.’ Nothing ambiguous about that!”
Ah, but you have just proven my point about the term “abomination” being ambiguous in a technical sense – hint: the word “anything” being featured within the definition you’ve brought up.
Report Post »Right_2_Work
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:56amThey are adjusting the teachings to fit in with their beliefs. Think of it this way. If someone is tuning a piano, they don’t file down the tuning fork until it matches the sound of the string. That is what people are doing, though. They are changing the word of God to fit in with their lifestyles and belief system. The Bible is clear. You either believe the words or you don’t. You’re not negotiating a contract with the Lord.
Report Post »Ear2Earf
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:31amI like that tuning fork analogy. It’s simple, vivid, and an accurate description of the agenda of some to whine, curse, stomp their feet and bully people into non-resistance towards their discordant cacophony of deceitful tripe.
Report Post »Luke21
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:00amAmen. And by belief the Bible means obedience (faith thru action). The Israelites in the desert (under Moses) believed in God — they believed in the Bible’s God, they watched His mighty miracles — however they did not obey, they rebelled. As such, they were judged.
This perverted notion — or practice — that God is love therefore He condemns no one is leading to the damnation of countless self-described “christians” & non-christians. Jesus said “if you love Me, keep My commandments” (obey Him) – John 14:15.
ALL of us are sinners — the redeemed & unredeemed alike. However the redeemed are NOT to make a practice of sin. The redeemed will hate sin, specifically & most necessarily his own. Those that love God – the Father, love Christ (John 8:42), and will not seek to “legalize” their sin so they can go on practicing it w/out repentance.
The HS’ sin is no more repugnant in God’s site than my own – but make no mistake is abomination to Him & He will judge those who practice it (Romans 1). But praise be to God, He will forgive it & thanks be to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, because He paid for it (Romans 5:8).
God is love, but love is not God. He is also a consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29) & He hates the workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5). Those that teach HS as okay in the Church & those that practice such in Jesus’ name are working iniquity & need to repent else they will perish in their sin. (Galations 6:7 “Do not be deceived, God is not m
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:43amThe whole trick is that you have to READ it before you know what it says. And then people rely on being TOLD what the Bible says rather than reading what it says. If you don’t like what one church preaches, go to another. If you can’t find a church that preaches what you like, find two or three people and start your own church. A church for every belief.
To make my point: Is John 3:13 what you were taught? Think about what it says.
Report Post »tmarends
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 4:00pmYes… the Bible is clear… when read in the original Greek or Hebrew. Our current English translations? Not so much. Much of the Greek & Hebrew does not translate well.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:34am@Right_2_Work
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:56am
They are adjusting the teachings to fit in with their beliefs. Think of it this way. If someone is tuning a piano, they don’t file down the tuning fork until it matches the sound of the string. That is what people are doing, though. They are changing the word of God to fit in with their lifestyles and belief system. The Bible is clear. You either believe the words or you don’t. You’re not negotiating a contract with the Lord
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I love the beautiful simplicity of your analogy, may I quote it?
Mil Mom
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:43am@tmarends
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 4:00pm
Yes… the Bible is clear… when read in the original Greek or Hebrew. Our current English translations? Not so much. Much of the Greek & Hebrew does not translate well
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You’re right, but to get a “Stong’s Concordance” and study it, looking up the meanings of the actual roots of those words is an AWESOME JOURNEY for your faith, they both are such picturesque languages!
Luke21
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 11:18am@tmarends & @Mil Mom
tmarends: Yes… the Bible is clear… when read in the original Greek or Hebrew. Our current English translations? Not so much. Much of the Greek & Hebrew does not translate well
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Mil Mom: You’re right, …
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I’m sorry but this cannot go unchallenged. You both disparage the work of the Holy Spirit through saints & martyrs’ & great linguistic scholars whose water you aren’t worthy to carry (e.g. Wycliffe, Tyndale, the Septuagint – quoted often by the Apostle Paul, etc. – the list goes on).
Just because in this time of re-writing history & exchanging the truth for a lie so that someone takes the Bible & does their own paraphrase (e.g. the message), does not mean that all translations should be thrown under the bus.
Furthermore the statement regarding Hebrew & Greek is in ignorance. Hebrew & Greek have many unique properties, among which is precision. Greek is perhaps the most precise language in human history. To say neither can be translated well is non-sense & thinking you can just grab a concordance & do what you claim – by inference – what the World’s greatest linguistic scholars (most of which were under the influence of the Holy Spirit) could not do, is a fools game.
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:48am“Several overseas delegates spoke against any change in church law on homosexuality, arguing that the Bible forbids same-gender relationships…”
Well, there is a Bible verse that seems to mention the “forbiddance” of homosexuality:
Leviticus 20:13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination…
There’s a problem with this verse: the word “abomination” is ambiguous – something that may be an abomination to one person may be favorable and/or beneficial to another. In addition to this, Jesus himself was silent on the issue concerning homosexuality.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:10amThe truth is homosexuality is a sin,but so is premartial sex,and so is divorce,and so is having children out of wedlock according to the bible. These so if a church allows people who stoodin God house and made a pomise of till death do we part only to break that promise to god then why not led gays marry as over 50% of them are blasphemous in the first place. There are churchs that hold their parishioners to the oath they swore to God and those churches shouldn’t allow gay marriages. But the baptist church is full of the immoral and blasphemous.
Report Post »That being said if we go down this road of gay marriage we need to end the tax breaks,and civil divorce courts and have people sign a contract that includes how the marital assets are divided if it fails. We don’t need another group costing tax payers billions a year in courts.
Luke21
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:39amRead Romans 1 — it is unambiguous So is Leviticus, if you look at from God’s perspective which is that HS is sin [Hebrew tô‛êbah, to-ay-baw': properly something disgusting (morally), that is, (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: - abominable].
Read the gospels carefully. Jesus never encountered a HS by account. You should wonder why. But He wasn’t silent on the topic for He said if you won’t believe Moses (who scribed Leviticus), then you will NOT believe Me (Luke 16, John 5). Jesus affirmed all that was written in the Law. He said He came not to abolish it, but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17).
All sin is punishable by death & will be judged (either at the Cross or on your own accord). So we all get to choose. But do not be deceived, God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap (Galatians 6:7)
Report Post »Iowa_Biker
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:44amPlease do not cherry pick versus from the bible. The bible is very clear on this and there is not much room for misinterpretation. Now your belief in scripture is another issue and I am simply going to quote the verse you so quickly put out, but I am going to post the whole verse. Kind of fuzzy to me not really sure how the Lord comes down on this issue….
Leviticus 20:13
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13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
holy ghostbuster
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:17am@Johnjamison – is plural marriage also a sin? There are numerous references in the bible where god condones it and even orders it.
Report Post »Bro. Chuck
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:37amBrother,
I do not believe the Lord God Almighty has any problem with “ambuguity” in HIS definition of the word ABOMINATION.
When will you realize that its not the sin…
as others have said, this sin is no different than that sin –
it is ALL sin before the Lord.
It prevents us from relationship with Him, because it cannot be in the presence of His Righteousness.
and when the folks, such as you, seek ways to “justify” your choices-
to “validate” your penchants and selfish desires….
your heart of evil is revealed.
I don’t judge you…
that is for the Lord to perform.
I pray for you-
that you see the foolishness and folly of your chosen path.
come before the Lord God and seek His forgiveness!
Understand – that you may be Forgiven through the Blood of Yeshua…
Realize you are under a power that deceives you and deprives you of your place as He desires of you…
Change your path!
In Yeshua’s Precious Name we ask, Father…….
Be Bless’d
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 3:39pmHoly ghostbuster,
Report Post »I don‘t think it’s a sin to have multiple wives so long as your vows don’t disallow it. At least not in the bibical sense it is a crime to have multiple wives in the legal sense however.
tmarends
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 4:07pmActually Luke21, it is entirely possible that Jesus DID encounter a homosexual. In Luke‘s account of the Christ’s encounter with the Roman Centurion, Luke uses the Greek ‘pais” to describe the sick servant. This particular Greek word was mostly used to describe the passive partner in a homosexual relationship. It is interesting why Luke would add this extra detail to the story.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 3:03am@johnjamison
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 3:39pm
Holy ghostbuster,
Report Post »I don‘t think it’s a sin to have multiple wives so long as your vows don’t disallow it. At least not in the bibical sense it is a crime to have multiple wives in the legal sense however
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The Pharisees were looking for a way to entrap Jesus and asked Him, “”Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? Tempting Him.” and He asked what Moses commanded them and when they answered He went on to teach,” For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God Made them [Male and Female] for this cause shall a man leave his Father and Mother and cleave to his wife and they [twain]” (Means two) “be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mark 10:2-8) It goes on to say that which God joins, man is not to separate. BUT JESUS HIMSELF USED THE TERM TWAIN, MEANING FROM THE BEGINNING IT WAS GOD’S BEST THAT MAN OR WOMAN NOT HAVE MULTIPLE SPOUSES WHILE THE OTHER LIVED! It’s in the living of this He desires us to remember we are sinners and have compassion on other sinners, not condemnation! Again I say, JESUS ALONE HAD THE RIGHT TO SAY “GOD DAMN YOU!” Instead, HE SAID: “FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO! … Think about it!
Luke21
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:10pm@tmarends
” In Luke‘s account of the Christ’s encounter with the Roman Centurion, Luke uses the Greek ‘pais” … This particular Greek word was mostly used to describe the passive partner in a homosexual relationship…”
1st I don’t see what your conjecture has to do w/ the fact that there is no direct account of Christ interacting w/ a hs recorded in the gospels – that isn’t to say He never did –John 21:25 — & had He, no doubt He would have treated him like all the other sinners He, Jesus, encountered (John 3:16; 5:39-40; 6:35-40).
2nd “This particular Greek word was mostly used to describe the passive partner in a homosexual relationship.” Really, by whom? You? The LGBTV movement? Funny how Strong’s missed it:
Report Post »Luke 7:2-10 And a certain centurion’s servant {doulos}, who was dear {entimos} unto him, was sick, and ready to die… Luke 7:7 Therefore I did not even think myself worthy to come to You. But say the word, and my servant {pais} will be healed.
Luke21
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:14pm@tmarends
In a passage whose focus is all about great faith (7:9) the word servant appears 5 times, 4 of which are the word doulos (the writer’s description) & once it is pais (the Centurion’s description). In no place does it imply anything of a sexual nature.
doulos (doo’-los)
a slave (literally or figuratively, involuntarily or voluntarily; frequently therefore in a qualified sense of subjection or subserviency): – bond (-man), servant.
entimos (en’-tee-mos)
valued (figuratively): – dear, more honourable, precious, in reputation.
pais (paheece)
a boy (as often beaten with impunity), or (by analogy) a girl, and (generally) a child; specifically a slave or servant (especially a minister to a king; and by eminence to God): – child, maid (-en), (man) servant, son, young man.
Don’t be a tool of satan. Stop twisting & perverting the Word of God. And if you’re caught up in sexual sin — stop figuring out a way to justify it & simply repent & cry out to the Lord who is mighty to save & willing to forgive & will save all who call on His name: Yeshua (Jesus) Christ
Report Post »momrules
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:46amThe very fact that any church will vote over whether or not to teach the word of God as written or to just make up their own rules is the problem.
The word of God IS, just as God IS. We are to please Him not the congregation.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:22amRight you are, MOMRULES!
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:48amFor sure. And “church law” in the “age of grace”… just doesn’t ring right.
Report Post »disenlightened
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:46am…enter gay trolls screaming “HYPOCRITES!!”…respond with funny gay jokes
Report Post »65Mustang
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:34amI would not consider being a member of any religion that would cast a vote on anything that would usurp the Word of God. Homosexuality is a sin. God hates the sin not the sinner.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:23amQuestion: Who came up with “God hates the sin, not the sinner?”
We’ve certainly let that catchy phrase cover a lot of deviant behavior over the years, haven’t we?
Not exactly Biblical in its attitude….
Report Post »Ear2Earf
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:55am“God hates the sin, not the sinner,” sounds trite but is very biblical. No one is righteous according to the law. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God has called sinners everywhere to repentance. Homosexuals are no more sinners than anyone else…and no less. Guilt is its own association and everyone’s on the membership committee.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 9:34amKick……….Love the sin,hate the sinner has been attributed to Constantine and to Ghandi, maybe to others and I have also struggled with this catchy phrase.
Ps. 11:5 is a better description of how God feels about the sinner. In his commentary regarding this J. Verno Mcgee writes “Frankly,I do not like this distinction that I hear today that “God loves the sinner, but He hates the sin.” God has loved you so much that He gave His Son to die for you; but if you persist in your sin, and continue in that sin, you are an enemy of God. And God is your enemy. God wants to save you and He will save you if you turn to Him and forsake your iniquity. Until then, may I say, God is not a lovey-dovey sentimental, old gentleman from Georgia.”
Report Post »Duey2000
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:05am65, you’re absolutely right. It is really frustrating to hear people call me a bigot or hateful because I do not support gay marriage or homosexuality. They then twist it to say that I would have them all killed or some nonsense like that. But if as a society we vote for gay marriage or okay homosexuality then we are condoning the sin. Just like having sex or children out of wedlock is a sin. It doesn’t mean that we hate anybody. We just don’t want them to do the things that they are doing because we believe that it is a sin. My uncle is gay and it never once dawned on me that I should hate him. Yet, he knows how I and other members of my family feel about his sin and we all get along just was well as before he came out. To the african representative who compared it to beastiality, I would go one step further and compare it to pedophilia. It is a sick perversion that people use to get pleasure from. If you okay gay marriage then you open the door to underage sex and beastiality. We move backwards as a society back to Ancient Rome before the fall…
Report Post »Bro. Chuck
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 2:41pmMomR….
here ya go….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-patrick-s-cheng-phd/love-the-sinner-hate-the_b_526355.html
(btw, Ghandi is definitely credited with making the statement – maybe he reached back and snagged it from ‘ol Constantine… not sure)
anyways, I stumbled across this when looking at the “unbiblical quotation”…..
Definitely an interesting read from the “other side”….
the last sentance is chilling:
“We should spend far less time worrying about how to make others repent, and far more time worrying about our own repentance, or metanoia. If we truly believe in a gospel of grace as opposed to a cult of works-righteousness, then we should believe that God — and not humans — will take care of the rest.”
In addition to their unwavering path wherein these folks continue in their ways….
they do not apparently care for our loving concern and wish to forego any rebuke or reminder of their “condition”…
but I will keep them, as well as all of the Creation in my prayers:
That we come to realize the TRUTH…
that we turn back to our Creator YhWh and seek restoration unto Him….
to come into fulfillment of His Will for each of us…
That we understand and embrace the sacrifice of Yeshua and the Redeption –
ultimately, the Salvation
which Adonai loves us enough to offer…
In Yeshua’s Precious Name we ask, Father….
Be Bless’d
Bro. Chuck
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 2:43pmMOMRULES: Perfect! Thx…(I love it-the sentimental old man from Georgia” part..lol)
Report Post »Bro. Chuck
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 2:47pmBTW…..
I like how J. Vernon always gets to that “essence” of the Word…
love his teachings…..
Be Bless’d!
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 2:58pmBROCHUCK: This article is blasphemy. I don’t even know where to begin in the heresy that is THIS ARTICLE you referenced. I will give you one example and then please pray about it.
While I agree we should love and welcome everybody because we are ALL SINNERS. We cannot except this blatant sinning when one is calling themselves a Christian at the same time.
Hebrews 10:26-27
“For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.”
We are called to REPENT and as Jesus said “Go and sin no more” ! Its not that we don’t occasionally mess up and have to REPENT. God calls us to live a HOLY life-NOT blatantly sin in his face. We must be HONEST about what the gospel is. It is NOT a license to go on sinning.
IF I welcome a drunk into my church and pray with him to get saved-I will help that man GET SOBER Same way with an actively **** man/woman. They have to admit the lifestyle is SIN-REPENT from it and want help to get out. To do otherwise is condeming them to hell.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Report Post »Bro. Chuck
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 3:10pmAbsolutely, GirlNurse…..
look at how the evil one has deceived them into thinking this way….
this is why these folks are so unable to “change”…
they see every action – every word as an assault against their “way”….
against themselves personally, almost like we are trying to deprive them of something….
this guy, and others like him are right in only ONE THING –
that this is ALL in God’s Hands….
and if they so desire to continue walking this way?
it is between them and their maker.
Yes, it is blasphemous…
see what the enemy can do in the depth of his consuming deceptions…..
Be Bless’d, Sister…
Bro. Chuck
Report Post »Bro. Chuck
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 4:03pmGirlNurse….
sorry if i was confusing – in NO WAY did i intend to be advocating anything across the line there.
My purpose was to share how these folks look at us (looking at them), and how they actually “resent” certain things….
I agree with your points and statements…
you have read well and understand what their ideology is so wound up about on the other side there.
again, sorry if I appeared to endorse anything they were going on about.
Be Bless’d…
Report Post »momrules
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:44pmBrother Chuck……….thank you for the link. I read it and unfortunately for Rev. Cheng he is leading his flock so astray as he himself lives a life contrary to God’s word.
I do not love the sinner that loves the sin and Pastor McGee with his excellent commentary and my own prayer and study has led me to believe that I am correct in my belief. I do not judge them either, that is the provence of God Almighty. I pray for the lost that their hearts will be opened to the message of Jesus Christ.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 3:35amBROCHUCK: i GET IT NOW…lol You scared me at first. I thought you were buying it—then I re-read your post. Man we really have to be careful and discerning these days, don’t we?
Report Post »God Bless!
Meyvn
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:24amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjf0u0ah80
The whole 7 minute segment is worth your time, but if you must cut to the chase, start @ 5:00. We’re already being judged as a nation. Can you feel it?
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:31amAlso know that there is a difference between the “Kingdom of God” and the “Kingdom of Heaven”. Study.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:54amWow MEYVN…………..Excellent…… I had never heard of Chuck Missler before………thank you for the link.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 8:14am@momrules: You are quite welcome… and anyone else that needs some truth…
Check Missler out here: http://khouse.org
I highly recommend his 66/40 audio shows: http://khouse.org/6640_cat/
The man is awesome and his understanding of “The Word” is incredible.
Report Post »Bro. Chuck
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:17amThanks also for the link Meyvn….
interesting so far….!
I as well have not heard of the Misslers…….
I look forward to reading / watching/researching Chuck’s teachings.
Nurse…
yes there is a lot out there that we have to be careful with when we read and seek.
Baruch Ha’Shem that He imparts His Spirit unto us that we may be guided in our endeavors….
As i was reading mr. Cheng’s words, the Spirit was pained…
did you feel it as well?
Also, in the revealing of the truth – that absurdity in Cheng’s “rationalizations”……
But we have understanding that surpasses that of the “world” –
how else but through Ruach HaKodesh?
Mom?
Amen & Amen….
I agree –
and I believe we are indeed obeying the commandment to love….
when we are praying for their souls!
are we obligated to embrace them while they are so set in & following their own way?
I say no…
and as we agree, it is Adonai’s place to judge.
and yet we still exercise that act of Love as Yeshua taught when we don’t “write them off”.
We continue in our prayers for all that have not yet come to know –
to understand our Creator and His Will for us…..
to Thank Yeshua for His Love –
His Sacrifice-
wherein we have been Redeemed and Restored into relationship with our Father….
Be Bless’d in Yeshua!
Bro. Chuck
Report Post »Fubared
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:32amDan will Savage them and want to hate **** all the flock, and their pets, and their pet’s pets.
Report Post »shustring
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:29amwhy should people really give a crap. If off, a couple has 2 choices, either a marriage by an ordained minister or justice of the peace. Im not one to believe in same sex marriage, but at the same time, its not my judgement that I have to face. I dont see why the states have not just come up with a civil union law that allows ALL couples who have lived together out of wedlock be considered a civil union. If many look on their states laws, Civil Marriage is on the books but its not practiced.
But why does the issue really matter? 1.taxes, state and federal 2. social security (federal) 3. legal next of kin.
Report Post »Im not one that believes in more govt, but a civil union would resolve the issue and it should apply too ALL couples that lived together as a couple for more then 3 yrs. Not just same sex, but all.
000degrees
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:38amCivil unions will not resolve the issue. Do you really think they will be content with civil unions? They will continue to disrupt meetings and hearings and anything they want for the next goal. It will never be enough for them….
Report Post »Twinspeedr
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:42amExactly. The militant gay community aims to disrupt, and destroy. They are not like you and I, who are content with equal justice. They want retribution for making them feel bad about themselves. They know that something about their lifestyle is not right and since the Bible tells them that they live a sinful life they want to tear it down.
Hey GLTB-ers… NEWS FLASH; We all sin!!!!! Homosexuality is a sin just like coveting, lying, cheating stealing or any other. Everyone on Earth is guilty. You guys just won‘t admit it because it doesn’t fit your little happy, self-gratifying narrative.
Grow up, learn the truth, find something in this world besides your own wants.
The problem is that our society is all too fond of our man-made “comfort doctrine” we have polluted God‘s word and our churches with a softened version of God’s Law and we are paying for it, big time.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:30amAll these leftists will not be happy until they destroy the family, christianity and morality. Funny how atheists attack christians most of the time because they turn the other cheek , and how we never see homosexuals protest for gay marriage outside of a mosque, cowards, however I think this reveals the true agenda which is to destroy the foundation of this great country.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:27amWe left the UMC over their “tolerance” stance. That the vote was that close indicates a serious spiritual vacuum in the leadership of the UMC. The rainbow is GOD’s covenant with man. Unfortunately, we have allowed its usurpation by the left. That is to our detriment since GOD HIMSELF rebukes homosexuality as abhorrent to HIM. Hellloooo?
A BIBLE-believing denomination / church is to be about teaching that HOLY BOOK and not the opinions of mankind, most especially when those opinions run against the WORD OF GOD.
When we become GOD-focused and GOD-obedient, things will right themselves.
Report Post »welloddyfriggindah
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:27am“…I would rather that you were hot or cold…”
Report Post »Athinkerinaseaoflibs
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:24amWow–The scriptures aren’t just a door stop?
Report Post »conservativejon
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:23amum so you know the southern babtist Convention is the largest protestant group in the united states not methodists with over 16 million. might need to add that little fact.
on the story: GO METHODISTS!!
Report Post »Leadthemtothelight
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:21amOutstanding! In this day and age of political correctness it is refreshing to see religious organizations standing up for their beliefs.
Report Post »SteveShelton
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:21amDitto. I saw the headline and thought the Methodists had caved. Happy to see the results. Although the 60/40 win is troubling. Fourty percent have caved. Gotta find out who and suggest they find another place to worship their god. The one without any parameters. Oh and there are links from Soros to various denominations. Dollar links. He will pay, they will pay. The catch is that they pray according to his (Soros’) directives, if you know what I mean. We have to ‘stand our ground’ in more that one way.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:29amSteve….if you can, read Full Black by Brad Thor. The soros ‘character’ explains a lot about what is happening due to the control (and funding) soros has on world terror. Great book.
Report Post »jerimiah41
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:34amIt is a blessed day, every day, someone that claims to be Christian votes consistent with God and the Scriptures that denounce homosexual behavior thruout. It is clearly God’s stated position that anyone committing this abomination will not enter the Kingdom of God until they confess the sin and repent. Some people mix love from the Lord with forgiveness. You must love the Lord with all your heart and obey his commandments to enter the Kingdom. He loves all of his children including Homosexuals but until you do the above he is consistent in his application as to those that will enter his Kingdom. It is an immoral act of choice not at birth. Praise the Lord and pray for those that are deceived by Satan.
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:16amThat the Methodists had the debate at all shows how far they have fallen down the slope.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:41amAgree!
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:06amGood for them… Unfortunately, I hope they’re ready for the fallout that will certainly happen.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:36amDan Savage will probably knock the bottom out of this one!
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