Indicted Catholic Bishop Plans to Continue Leading Despite ‘Sheltering’ Charges in Child Porn Case
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Roman Catholic Bishop Robert Finn
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (The Blaze/AP) — Calls for Roman Catholic Bishop Robert Finn to resign started even before last week, when he became the highest-ranking church leader in the sex abuse scandal criminally charged with sheltering an accused priest.
The bishop of Kansas City, Mo., had acknowledged in May that he waited five months to tell police about the hundreds of images of alleged child pornography found on the Rev. Shawn Ratigan’s computer. Ratigan had taken some of the photos of girls months ago at an Easter party he hosted, investigators said. More than 700 people have joined a Facebook page called “Bishop Finn Must Go.”
However, no such demands have come from within the church hierarchy. Finn, who has pleaded not guilty to a misdemeanor charge of failure to report suspected child abuse, is expected to stay on.
Finn has “a full schedule of pastoral activities,” his spokeswoman Rebecca Summers said. “That will continue and he has no plans to change it.”
In the 25 years since the clergy abuse problem became public, only one American bishop – Cardinal Bernard Law, former archbishop of Boston – has resigned over keeping guilty clerics in church jobs without notifying parents or police. Law had to ask Pope John Paul II twice before receiving permission to step down.
Grand juries in several regions investigated how bishops handled claims against priests. However, most of the cases were decades old and far beyond the statute of limitations. Some bishops, including those in New Hampshire and Phoenix, negotiated deals with local authorities to avoid prosecution of their dioceses.
The case closest to Finn’s was that of Bishop Daniel Walsh, formerly of the Diocese of Santa Rosa, Calif.
Walsh continued to lead the diocese for about five years after he was threatened with criminal charges in 2006 for waiting five days after a priest admitted wrongdoing to report him. The priest fled to Mexico before he could be arrested. Walsh agreed to participate in a four-month counseling program and was not charged with violating state law requiring clergy to immediately report suspicion of child abuse. Walsh stepped down as Santa Rosa bishop earlier this year, one year ahead of the mandatory age, 75, at which bishops must submit their resignations to the pope.
In Finn’s case, the Holy See is not expected to intervene. The Rev. Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said he would not discuss the situation “because there’s a civil process under way.” Al Notzen, chairman of the National Review Board, a lay panel formed by bishops to help monitor child safety, said the board doesn’t comment on individual cases. No other American prelates have remarked publicly on the Kansas City case.
In Catholic theology, a bishop is considered married to his diocese, so forcing a bishop to step down is seen as extreme, according to Christopher Bellitto, a church historian at Kean University in New Jersey. That idea is underscored in church legislation, which directs bishops to reside in their dioceses, in response to the years before the Reformation, when bishops were often absent from the several dioceses they oversaw.
“It’s not hard and fast theology, and it’s not hard and fast practice, but this is how it happens 80 percent of the time,” Bellitto said.
Russell Shaw, a former spokesman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, called demands for Finn’s resignation “terribly distasteful” and ignored the bishop’s efforts to address the problem. Finn apologized repeatedly for the lapse, hired a former U.S. attorney to investigate how it happened and recruited another former prosecutor as ombudsman in charge of investigating abuse claims.
“There‘s a lot of accumulated frustration and anger and disgust and it’s all being unloaded at the moment on this one bishop who made some terrible mistakes he admitted and has apologized for many times over,” said Shaw, who writes for Our Sunday Visitor and other Catholic media. Frank Kessler, who teaches at Benedictine College in Atchison, Kan., argued in an op-ed on Wednesday in The Kansas City Star, that the indictment was unfair and should be dropped.
Parishioners are hurt and angry over the impact on their diocese and wonder how local churches can continue to be a moral voice in their communities with a spiritual leader under indictment. The diocese has already delayed a capital campaign while the Ratigan case continues. The priest was charged in May with three state child pornography counts, and in June with 13 federal counts of producing, possessing and attempting to produce child porn. He has pleaded not guilty and remains jailed.
Patty Rotert, a Kansas City Catholic who has sons ages 4 and 3, had spent months encouraging friends to write to prosecutors and urge them to investigate the diocese. In May 2010, the principal of a Catholic school where Ratigan worked submitted a five-page memo to the diocese outlining concerns about the priest’s behavior around children. Finn said he had been told about the report, but hadn’t read it until a year later.
Rotert said she still plans to send her sons to Catholic schools and continues to donate to and volunteer with her parish, but believes Finn should leave.
“I think he should step down so our diocese can heal, so our diocese can stop talking about this,” Rotert said. “I don‘t think he’ll be able to effectively lead.”
At morning Mass on Wednesday at Our Lady of Perpetual Help Redemptorist Catholic Church in Kansas City, Mo., Tom Arnold, 60, said “your heart goes out” to abuse victims. However, he said he was reserving judgment until more information is available about the charge against the bishop. Finn faces a maximum penalty of one year in jail and a $1,000 fine if convicted of the misdemeanor. The diocese also faces a $1,000 fine.
“I look at it from the spiritual realm because if you wanted for people to lose their faith, this would be the ideal way of doing it,” Arnold said, “This undermines the authority of the church. People say, `Well if these people are doing this and this is what the church is all about, well I don’t want anything to do with it.‘ And that’s not what the church is all about.”
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UBKidding
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:41pmOh please from those that are protest the Catholic Church. Go back to your Jesus clubs.
As for this Bishop, are we to simply accept the story as is? Is this not simply another attack on THE Church?
I think not, as this makes no sense and it is deplorable that local secularists would bring such charges. It is even more deplorable that there is a gaggle of Jesus club members here salivating.
Report Post »Tim Law
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 1:05amThis should have been reported right away, it should be reported in any CHURCH. You people seem to be forgetting the big picture here. There is a war going on in this country, progressive socialist are trying to remove GOD and our LORD JESUS from every aspect of American life. If they can remove the church aka ( the body of CHRIST ) from our live’s, they can take the Nation and we all become slave’s. We are all Christian, stop bickering and stand up for our LORD side by side. If you have excepted the LORD JESUS as your Savior, then you are a Christian, therefore a member of the Church aka ( body of Christ ). Matt 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
Report Post »The Holy Bible : King James Version.
Applehead
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:18amGlenn will not let me post a clip from Cavuto interview of a Rabbi against Zionism but he’ll post this garbage!!! If this was a Rabbi it wouldn’t see the light of day from the media or Beck!!! Have any Christians on here ever seen a negative story on Israel??? Mormons are anti Catholic!!! Becks buddy Hagee is anti Catholic!!! Do you know Hagee says that you don’t need to go through Jesus to go to Heaven!!! Mormons believe that Jesus is only the God of earth and every planet has their own God!! Be careful who you follow blindly!!! If you control the media you could air negative or positive stories about any religion, group, country or anything else!!! You can make one entity look terrible and the other look great when it could be the complete opposite!!! Why do you think controlling the media is powerful!!! The Devil is a fallen Angel and is of a higher being than us so don’t be deceived by a media that twists the truth in knots!!!
Report Post »Applehead
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:06amOur Lord Jesus Christ permitted this evil and will purge it!!! After this period of testing the Catholic Church will become stronger and more glorified!!! Satan has penetrated the Church, our government and our country! The Church needs to reinstate The Archangel Michael Prayer!!!
Report Post »Kell Anderson
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 10:44amI am a parishoner of Good Shepherd Catholic Church in the Arch-Diocese of Kansas City Kansas. Let me tell you right now, Finn is guilty of the crimes he is accused of. Not only did he shelter Ratigan (Who is guilty as SIN), he placed Ratigan in charge of the reporting of pedophile priests to the Archdiocese. On top of that, he waited seven months after being informed of the information about Ratigan to report him to the police. There are many in the Diocese who have stopped Tithing because they do not believe the Church deserves it. For the good of The Church, Archbishop Carolson needs to ask Finn to step down NOW.
Report Post »judethaddeus
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:04pmDear Webpreacher – Of course Mary is the Mother of God..If and only if you believe Jesus is God. If you don’t believe that, then you are totally lost.
Mary is the NT Ark of the Covenant, because like the Ark in the Old Testament, she contained within her the Word of God (made Flesh), The Bread of Life (Jesus is The Eucharist), and Jesus is the ruler with an iron rod who died and came back to life, just like Aaron’s rod in the OT Ark of the Covenant. And like the OT Ark, the Power of the Most High overshadowed her..The OT Ark was made of the purest and finest material; As was Mary – Otherwise the pure and holy Jesus could not dwell in her, just like the OT Word or God couldn’t dwell just anywhere, but inside the Holy of Holies. The Bible says that you shall know a tree by its fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit…And Elizabeth said “Blessed is the FRUIT of they womb..” I know it’s tough to really study the Word, but if you really do, you will see that the Catholic position on Mary is the ONLY true one…Peace…
Report Post »Applehead
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:36amJUDETHADDEUS, Very well said! You have articulated the Catholic position perfectly!!! Mary is the new perfect version of Eve and will crush the head of the serpent!!! I follow our Blessed Mother at Medjugorje where she’s bringing her children to her son by fasting, praying the Rosary, daily reading of the Bible, monthly confession, mass and the eucharist! She is above the 24 elders and all the choirs of angels and the Saints!!! She was born without sin and has never sinned!!! She is the Queen of Heaven!!!
Report Post »Free2speakRN
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 4:55amjudethaddeus, Very nice comment.
‘Truth’ comes to us through the ‘Idea of Truth’, ‘Love’ through the ‘Idea of Love’, the ‘Immaculate Conception’ is God‘s ’created Conception of Himself’. The ‘Living Idea of Himself’. Like Her Spouse, the Holy Spirit, Who is the ‘Uncreated Conception of God’. In innocence, truth unfolds. The Body of Truth unfolds unto us through the Living Tabernacle of God. Truth rests in we, the Temple of the Holy Spirit. The more correct our ‘concept’ of Jesus, the more Mary-like we concieve Him. Until lately as Applehead so accurately said, it’s not been a problem. Martin Luther didn’t disagree with the unique quality of Mary and her role. No, Martin Luther embraced her, and wept when they destroyed her pictures.
Report Post »Mary says, “My soul magnifies the Lord”, “Generations will call me blessed”, Elizabeth says, “Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the friut of thy womb.” being Jesus. The ‘greek word for blessed’ is the same for all 3 examples.
Nobody else in the Bible says of themself, “Generations will call me blessed.” It’s unique.
If we are to be Christ-like, Mary is our Mother. When we see her as Mother, it is Christ in us seeing her as His Mother. When Jesus gives us ‘one more Commandment’, “Love your neighbor as I love you.”, it is ‘Christ’ in us that is loving our neighbor. Mary is ‘Mother Poverty’. When we are ‘poor in spirit’, we are more like Mary, full of grace.
soundtracktowar
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 6:29pmim not religious, but you catholics shouldnt criticize anyone, pedophelia is endemic to your church. and talking about this isnt anti catholic, its anti child molester.i have no problem with catholics, in fact i like catholics more than i do evangelicals, but just stating facts isnt in itself negative. you guys should criticize this guy too, hiding child molesters is wrong, no matter what religion to practice. and applehead, youre an idiot. some bad stuff happens in a lot of churches, the people arent perfect. and webpreacher, dude come on, saying because youre a catholic priest does not mean that youre gona be a child molester, thats just ignorant. catholics for the most part are good people, every organization that large is bound to have some bad apples. these priests should not be a reflection on all the good that the catholic church does in the world.
Report Post »webpreacher
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 9:41pmJUDETHARREUS, Sadly, Catholics are the ones who are deceived with the doctrine of devils through the teachings of Catholicism, which is the church of man, and NOT God. Catholic put more emphasis on the sinner Mary, (saved, but still a sinner) Romans 2:23, “For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God”. The Bible, God’s Word, which is the authority, says that ALL, have sinned, there is no list of exceptions, ALL,have sinned, Mary’s ministry ended when Jesus began his 3 years of Preaching , died on the cross, was buried and rose up out of the grave alive. As for Mary being the “Mother of God”, NO, she was the Mother of Jesus in his humanity, as man, but not as God. For if God had a mother, then He also had a Father, Uncles & Aunts, cousins, grandparents, and so on, Also in The Ten Commandments it is commanded that you give honor to your father and mother, in the Book of Ephesians, we read “Children obey your parents…” so if God is Mary’s child then He has to obey Mary who is His Parent, according to YOU ! However, it is clear that you don’t know what your talking about.
Report Post »Here you go, check out this exchange between Jesus and Mary; This is the first miracle, the account of the Wedding in Cana, where Jesus turns water to wine
John 2:3-4,,verse 3 “And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus (not mother of God !!) saith unto him, They have no wine. verse 4 Jesus saith unto her (Mary) “WOMEN”, what have I to do with thee”? Jesus refers to her a
Free2speakRN
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 7:42amsoundtracktowar,
There is much wisdom in your voice, much reason. You actually sound Catholic. If you were to talk to a saint, you’d find that Faith and Reason coincide. Reason enlightened by Faith. We don‘t get to heaven ’because’ of Christ, but ‘through’ Him. There is love in your voice that coincides with Christianity. “Love your neighbor as you love yourself”. Without doubt, it is up to you, but I’d say be open to an “Unknowable God”. Whatever you said is in line with His Love; it doesn’t go against it at all. (That is, with the exception of calling Applehead an idiot.) Christianity backs up that it’s okay to be a good guy. I like that!
I want to wait more on the investigation. That is, as long as the involved priest is kept away from kids and and priestly duties that involve kids. Things are honing in much better than before, thank God. Let’s wait a little bit. Thanks for realizing that a few priests shouldn’t undermine the whole Catholic Church.
webpreacher, My friend, lighten up on the anger, please. Elizabeth knows Jesus is our Lord, and Mary is the mother of our Lord.
41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit,
Report Post »42 cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
43 And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
by faith
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 10:27amNon-Denominational Profession of Faith
Report Post »I believe in God the Father Almighty and in Jesus Christ his only son our Lord who was born of some women who is of no significant importance. I believe Jesus came to establish his church on earth, and I believe he sent the Holy Spirit to protect this church from the gates of hell prevailing against it. I believe this church existed in secret until smart men such as me rediscovered it. I believe the Bible is the inspired text of God that supersedes all teachings of man. I believe the way I read the Bible is the only truth. I believe all religions are corrupt no matter what mental gymnastics are required to prove it. I believe anyone who does not believe as I believe is influenced by the evil one. I believe we shall not judge. I believe I am saved
by faith
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 11:42amWEBDECEIVER/911 Truther
Report Post »Here you go, check out this exchange between Jesus and Mary; This is the first miracle, the account of the Wedding in Cana, where Jesus turns water to wine
John 2:3-4,,verse 3 “And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus (not mother of God !!) saith unto him, They have no wine. verse 4 Jesus saith unto her (Mary) “WOMEN”, what have I to do with thee”?
Why did you stop reading? did you not want to get to the part where Mary says to the servants dow what he tells you to do…and Jesus turns water into wine. Jesus says its not yet my time. Yet His mothers infulence brings about His first miracle
webpreacher
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 6:11pmQuovadis, Again, as it is with ALL Catholics, I see no scripture verses in your post to support your theology in “praying to Mary”, or teaching that she is the Mother of God (she is not) or that she was the “purest human that ever walked the earth” as you have blasphemed. where does that leave LORD Jesus ? None of you catholics present any scripture, or give a discourse, it is just thrown out there in a vain dogma you learned as catholic children, in an attempt to convince yourself your OK. I, on the other hand, have in many of my post given many passages of God’s Word with using Old Testament and New Testament showing truth, through lining up scripture with scripture. .So again, your insults and course verbiage hurled at me, does you no justice, and accomplishes nothing. So please,(for the 10th time) provide the Scripture that you think will support your dogma rhetoric. and if you do not (any of you catholics) you have NO credibility.. NONE !
In another post I gave a list of Catholic teachings which are clearly a False Doctrine, all you need to do is provide scripture that will without question support the Catholic doctrine with any of them ?
http://www.Jesus-is-Savior.com
Report Post »http://www.GodSaid/ManSaid.com
navyenduring
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:35amGabriel said to Mary, ” Hail Mary Full of Grace, the Lord is with You.” If you are full of grace, then sin does not abide in you. Would the Creator of the Universe, be born of a sinful person? Can the God who parted the Red Sea, keep Mary from sin? Of course. In Genesis, Mary’s role was told by God to the serpent, ” I will put enmity between you and the woman, between her seed and yours. You will strike at her heal, and she will strike at your head.” Revelations, “A Woman Clothed with the Sun.” There are many passages with regard to Mary’s role. Luther even wrote extensively about Mary after his departure from the Catholic Church. This “problem” with Mary is a modern thing. As society becomes more hedonistic, then it is difficult for us to imagine the purity of Mary.
Report Post »garagegeezer
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 3:58amYes, you are certainly one spiritually supreme MoFo.
Report Post »PATRIOTGRUNT
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:23pm@ WEBPREACHER . “ ALL CATHOLICS ” really. Is that like “ALL BLACK ” ALL WHITE “ ALL JEWS ” ALL EVERY BODY ELSE ” You lost me right @ ALL. When you insert the word “ ALL ” into the conversation , You tend to become irelevant to the topic being discussed.as you no longer have any credibility . Your hatred for any ones Religion or Beliefs but yours is obvious. I am ROMAN CATHOLIC. Start hurling venom and insults @ me. Start telling me how I am going to hell. Start judging me . You are sure to win me over. Honest
Report Post »skellmeyer
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 11:57pmIf you want the Scriptural basis for Catholic beliefs, including the Catholic beliefs on the Blessed Virgin Mary, go to:
http://www.thegodpod.com/thegp/content/scriptural-catholicism
Here are the direct links to the doctrines on Mary and on praying to saints.
Report Post »http://www.thegodpod.com/thegp/content/mary
http://www.thegodpod.com/thegp/content/communion-saints
ChristianLayman
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 6:31pmMary isn’t the Mother of God? Then who is? What are you, a NESTORIAN? Good grief, Heresy only seems to produce more Heresy. For All that is Sacred and Holy, read a book on Church history, “preacher”. How can you lead anyone if you dig up 2nd century heresies because you don’t learn from history? Yeah, you bang out Bible verses, but so does Satan; why should I take your word over a Presbyterian’s? Why should I subject myself to his personal interpretation over MY OWN. Think about that. THINK LONG AND HARD.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 11:54amWEBDECEIVER/911 truther
Again, as it is with ALL Catholics, I see no scripture verses in your post to support your theology
you keep saying that, however I have given you scriptural support and I have seen others give you chapter and verse. yet you keep saying no support given.
Have you ever heard of this thing called LYING?
Report Post »webpreacher
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 7:20pmNAVYENDURING, Why do Catholics here like to put words in the mouth of others, and a spin on what was posted? I did not say that Mary was “full of sin”.. however the Bible says in Romans 3:23, “For ALL, have sinned and come short of the glory of God”. That is what God said, “ALL have sinned”, He did NOT provide a list of exceptions, did HE ? I know the Scripture regarding Genesis 3:15-20. You seem to think this passage of scripture is referring to Mary, in v.15 where God says to the serpent. “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman”, The Woman here is Eve, read it in its content, the serpent who is the Devil, beguiled the women v.13, and so God is bringing Judgment on the serpent, through the women. How can we know this, v.16 “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception”… Eve’s (women’s) conception !! v.17-19 we read of Adams (mankind’s) judgment. and then in v.20 it is made clear who the woman is. “And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the “MOTHER” of all living”. Thus says the LORD God. Then in v.21 God provides a “COVERING” for their sin nature. a Foreshadowing of things to come.
Report Post »As to your scripture verse you have “misquoted”, the Angel Gabriel do not say “Full of grace”, he said and I quote, Luke 1:28 “And the angel came in unto her, and said Hail, thou that are highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed (happy) art thou among women”. Mary was simply one among many women,
Rightsofman
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 5:15pmJesus left the Church in the hands of men and what they have done with it is upon their souls.
Report Post »Arcangel Michael
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 3:00pmJesus, I trust in You
http://thedivinemercy.org/message/devotions/chaplethistory.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AySdEJx50Z0&feature=related
Report Post »BETTY CROCKER
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 3:27pmBY FAITH
I have to say you are great I don’t know how you do it. These fundamentalists (or whatever they claim to be) really scare the he double toothpicks out of me. How can they not see all of the bigotry, intolerance, religious slavery and hatred they promote. There god is a holy book and for enough of them their religion is the “Rapture.” There is no way any of this leads to anything but darkness.
Oh also RPP your line gave me a good laugh. Thank you for the levity.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 11:32amBetty Crocker
Report Post »thank you for the kind words and support
webpreacher
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 1:53pmBY FAITH, simply put, you sir are a liar, and it is you that is a deceiver you are of your father, the devil. You have yet to point out spiritually how that I am a false teacher as you have claimed. You are the one spewing out of your inflammatory mouth words of venomous hurt / harm. I have been consistent in my stand on Holy Scripture. The reason why you don‘t give scripture verses to expose any falsehood on my part is because you can’t, you don‘t know God’s Word, and you can’t give a coherent discourse on Holy Scripture, for if you could you would. As for the other rhetoric you have spilled from your corrupt and perverted mind (teen girls and oral sex and other filth you have posted?), I can not answer to, for it is incoherent to anyone with even half a brain.
Report Post »As for the web site ;www.Jesus-is-Savior.com , it is NOT my site and it is given as a Biblical source of information. As for the other articles that speak to world events, and or politics, I have no say in these things, and I could care less about these, as I have posted afore time here. I am only interested in what God is interested in, Lost souls heading for a devil’s hell. As for your demeanour, and mindset, only God knows, I will pray for you, that God would open your eyes to your lost souls estate. and that you would come into the marvelous truth of the gospel of light, Salvation in Christ Jesus, his finished work upon the cross he bore for the sins of the whole world, that some “might” be saved !
by faith
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:49pmWebdeceiver/911 truther
what planet do you live on? I have given you serveral biblical references. I even gave you original Greek and Aramaic translations for said scripture. If you want to read them, go back and find them. Oh yea thats right you don’t know how to stay on the same thread.
Your moral outrage is very interesting to me, If you would read the reply’s to your drivel you might learn something. let’s not forget our very first encounter, you claimed I had false theology and then gave some random bible verse that was totally out of context and nowhere near the topic. My problem with you is you are a bomb throwing troll, you post half truths and outright lies and then when confronted with biblical/historical facts, poof gone then you popup somewhere else and act as if you have no idea what the hostility is about.
If you don’t want people to associate you with links you post, then don’,t put links on your post. Everything (911, lesbians…all of it) is on the site you promote. you degrade the church Jesus created, you be little his mother and you arrogantly claim because others don’t read the bible the way you do they are lying devils. the bible the Catholic church gave you and Luther edited.
Again Answer my question: where in the bible does Jesus tell his apostles to write this down?
Report Post »by faith
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 5:21pmWebdeceiver/911 truther
I just realized who you are…you are that old man who drives in the left lane 5 miles an hour under the speedlimit and can’t figure out why people behind you a annoyed. Peddle faster, you’re in the way.
Bible only, Sola Scritura, is a lie. invented by Luther while he was “sitting on the lew in the tower”
Report Post »See the “ ” ? that means I am quoting Luthers own words
by faith
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 6:00pm“Might’ be saved. I thought you said “I AM SAVED, BLAH BLAH BLAH”
Report Post »Your implying that because of my ACTIONS I might?
So you want it both ways, Once saved always saved, but not for me?
Because you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior…that’s it all you need
Not so for me, I have to also act in a way you find acceptable
(If he replys he’ll say I never “said” you wern’t saved…)
rpp
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 6:26pmLook you two, go get a room and do your kissy-face stuff there.
Report Post »BETTY CROCKER
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 3:36pm@BY FAITH
I have to say you are great I don’t know how you do it. These fundamentalists (or whatever they claim to be) really scare the he double toothpicks out of me. How can they not see all of the bigotry, intolerance, religious slavery and hatred they promote. Their god is a holy book and for enough of them their religion is the “Rapture.” There is no way any of this leads to anything but darkness.
Oh also RPP your line gave me a good laugh. Thank you for levity.
Report Post »Free2speakRN
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 8:14amwebpreacher,
I don’t doubt your faith, it’s your love.
Report Post »faithfullistener
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 1:31pmThis bishop, like so many other bishops, have all but ignored this sinful situation. Cover-up is the name of the game and SHAME on our bishops for doing so! If/when they became aware of accusations, problems, etc., in all too many cases, all they did was transfer the priest to a new assignment. I only wish states/counties/cities, etc., would go after more bishops who were so complicite in this scandal! They deserve to be held accountable! They have disgraced our church!
Report Post »webpreacher
Posted on October 25, 2011 at 4:09pm@FREE2SPEAKRN, Read more of my post, I love God’s Word, for it is the way of life everlasting. My faith is in God’s Christ, LORD Jesus, not Mary, nor any other but Jesus alone, my hope is in His finished work on the Cross and not any of my own. To much/many Mary worshipers, she died was buried and is waiting the day of redemption as with all the Saints before her and those after her including myself, a Saint of the most High God. Mary is NOT active in any work, she is at rest in the LORD Jesus, along with all the Old Testament Saints, and New Testaments Saints, and as with all who are of the “BORN AGAIN” New Testament saint, saved by grace and faithful FOLLOWERS of Christ Jesus will be, upon their death in this life ! Catholicism IS a False Doctrine, leading many away from the truth of God’s Word, it is the doctrine of devils.
I have in many of my Post here, given many passages of Holy Scripture to show the errors of Catholic teachings, apropos to Mary still being a virgin, she bore other children with Joseph her husband. teachings on praying to Mary, or any other but Jesus, and many other False teachings of Catholicism.
Go to the links below and do your homework, read the Bible KJV.
Report Post »http://www.Jesus-is-Savior.com
http://www.GodSaid/ManSaid.com
Free2speakRN
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 2:24pmWebpreacher, I can see that you are surely a man full of grace, that you love us as you love yourself, that your peace of mind and tender heart, without doubt, draws all hearts to God. My only fear is that you may not agree with something, and through no fault of your own, stab us in the eye with an ice-pick.
Report Post »You sound new at this, Webpreacher. And for that, I understand. Your zeal is strong, but not steady in Love. Calm down, man. If you want to rest in Jesus, Let Him rest in you… in your heart. You don’t want to be Catholic, that’s fine. But stay with Jesus. He is OUR Savior. You ‘and’ me. There are things you don’t understand, and definitely that you don’t want to understand. Being Re-born is an absolute requirement to enter heaven. It doesn’t quarentee it. You just can’t get in without it. It will certainly bring zeal! But without the guidance of Love, it can easily scare people Away from Christ, God forbid. You’re on a good start, you believe. Faith is the Gift, believing’s the response. Without Love, what good is Faith. With Mary, at least love her as you love yourself! God commands That, just as he does for all human kind. God will tell you if you really do. Or if you only Say so, even to yourself. True Fear of the Lord let’s us know our true motives.
All I’m saying is take it easy, don’t be damning anybody. Hope is the catylist of Faith. Then, use your Faith immediately for Love. God bless.
HAPPYRWE
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 1:08pm“Man is not without the Woman in the Lord”..Corinthians But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God…
If God created woman for man, that is the way it is supposed to be. I believe most of the Catholic church’s problems stem from the curse of decades of men not marrying- a covenant, commandment and common sense direction from God.
Thousands of years of men not marrying, preying on children and simply not fulfilling their duty to God on this earth to “multiply and replenish the earth” has caused this curse of preying on children, confusion in men, etc. to continue to destroy millions of lives. Has the adversary not only attacked the family but taken the head of the home out of the home.
I don’t believe all priests prey on children but God did give man a certain “part” and woman a certain “part” and these two work together to bring about children within the God-instituted sacred bond of marriage. Why would a man or woman forcibly deny what God has given them. So much confusion in our world. Adam and Eve were the standard and it makes sense. The family is instituted of God and when God’s laws are abandoned and broken what is left of us?
Report Post »HAPPYRWE
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:24pm12Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. ( beware of their teachings to not be deceived -rely on faith and the Spirit will testify of truth or false doctrine)
13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.(The Spirit revealed truth to Peter)
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. (mostly because Christ wanted the pure in heart to know by the Spirit and not by rumor, or someones opinion)
Report Post »webpreacher
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:43pm@ WAKEUP1, I am saved, because I have confessed to God that I “am” a sinner, and have confessed that I believe that Jesus paid my sin debt on the cross he bore for me, and that he died was buried and after resurrected up out of the grave alive. I have received Jesus, as my personal LORD & SAVIOR. That is the only reason why I’m saved, “Born Again”, a spirit filled Saint of the most high God.
Report Post »You will not find in any of my post my claims to be sinless, that would have me to make God a liar if I did, but I have not claimed to be sinless, That title belongs to Jesus, my LORD and my God.
Also, I could care less about what “Luther” wrote and or said, or any other man, outside of what we have in God’s Word, when men of God were moved by the HOLY Ghost to write all which we have in God’s Book, The KJV Bible. AS for the reading of “real history” of the Church of God” , I do read it, its called The Bible, God’s History book of all that He did, OT, is doing NT, and is going to do, . I dont’ need to read any other Book. I have my marching orders, (Mark 16:15). I have the Words of Life, the Bible.
With the issue of “Mary”, yes she is the Mother of the “humanity of Jesus”, thats it, nothing more. God used her, (a sinner, Romans 3:23, “For ALL have sinned and come short….”) to bring himself into the world in the “likeness of man, in the person of Jesus, the Christ
Please give the Scripture verse you are referring to apropos to Jesus on the cross, that
by faith
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 1:01pmthe issue of “Mary”, yes she is the Mother of the “humanity of Jesus”, thats it, nothing more
Report Post »So God is a misogynist who uses women and then discards them?
Since you don’t read books you wouldn’t know of the roll of the Kings mother in biblical time.
Do you really think you should talk about Jesus’ mother that way?
Mary was the first to believe in Jesus and the only one who did not abandon him.
And don’t bother with the “who is my mother” quote you have at the ready you’ll only take it out of context.
Jesus loves his mother that’s good enough for me
webpreacher
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 2:12pmBY FAITH, since none of your post DO NOT have a reply option I can not reply to you directly, since it is apparent that you know this already, then your insults toward me for not being able to reply at the proper post is nothing more than a lie from your lips. Also, anything I post regarding the things of God, and or His Christ, LORD Jesus, and or the Heavenly, I backed up with scripture, which is something you do not do, because you do not know God’s Word, and that is your problem, you are not a student of Holy Scripture. As for Mary, she was simply a servant (hand maiden) of the LORD God, she bore the only begotten Son of God, who is God in the humanity of Jesus. God did not discard her, as you claimed, I never said that, that is you lying and putting words in my mouth as to try and convince others here, of your false accusations against me, I can see right through you, in your writings, and if I can then so can others here, see your twist on my postings.
Report Post »Mary was used of God, praise God for that, God delights in those who will be used of Him, to surrender as Mary did, self will for God’s will for their lives. I can only hope and prayer to be a servant to Christ as Mary was unto the Father.
Anyway, Mary is at rest in the Lord, awaiting the day of redemption as are all the Saints, Old Testament and New Testament, and as I will be also according to God’s will and purpose for me.
As for your hostility toward me, I could care less, as for your Salvation, I will
quovadis
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 3:21pmMr. Webpreacher,
Report Post »Your arrogance and pride show forthwith. YOU are the misguided one. Sorry, I’ll pray for you, and especially I’ll pray to Mary the Mother of God, the purest human who walked the earth, and ask her to pray to her Son for you – to stop your hateful vitriol towards the Catholic Church. The hate in your heart, the pride, the hate towards the Church’s Holy men and Holy women is so revealing to all. The devil is using you and you don’t see it.
HAPPYRWE
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:19pmChrist then as today built His Church- the Church- upon the Rock of Revelation, Christ is the Rock, and the Holy Ghost is the rock, Peter was given keys for he was the chief Apostle BUT in no way is All that is All built upon the man Peter.
Peter may have been a stone but the ROCK is always Christ (Chief Cornerstone etc.) and the Gospel and Kingdom of God is not built upon one man Peter. He was given keys to officiate but by the power of the Holy Ghost which was sent after Christ left.
No scripture is for private interpretation, the gift and power of the Spirit is the only sure way to know..not just by faith but by “revelation from God”……..
Report Post »wakeup1
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:43pmMoral of the story evil is everywhere in everything…kinda like Obama is ….they are twins!
Report Post »wakeup1
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:29pmsee what arguing does? it took the objective thought of the sick persons in question to elsewhere…trick of evil no doubt !!!
Report Post »webpreacher
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 2:54pmWAKEUP1, OK, lets not argue, let us pick up God Book, The Bible being the authority of all things God, Christ and Heaven and see what the truth is according to God’s Word., so lets go…
Where is Scripture can we find purgatory?, child baptism?, assumption of Mary?, baptism by sprinkling of water?, Vicar of Christ?, saved by Faith “plus works”?, drinking the blood and eating the body of Christ literally aka communion?, sacraments?, confirmation?, man ordaining man to “Sainthood”?. praying to saints?, praying to Mary or any other than God the Father?, praying the “rosary”?, Peter being the first Pope?, Peter ever being in Rome?, Church stating in Rome?
Calling any man “holy father”, father? and any man having the title father within God’s Church order?
Priest not marrying? Nuns?
That should be enough to start with, so then please provide me with the Scripture verse that will support these teaching of Catholicism,
Anyone at all, you BYFAITH, OLD TRUCKER, anyone at all holding to the Catholic Church’s teachings / doctrine, show the Biblical scripture verses to support all or any of the above Doctrines of the Catholic church.
Also when you do give any (if) please give a discourse as to explain the passage of scripture and also provide Old Testament verses as well, since OT & NT support one another in Doctrine ?
http://www.Jesus-is-Savior.com
http://www.GodSaid/ManSaid.com
these web sites are a good reference for Sound Doctrine. Biblically speaking
Report Post »quovadis
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:56pmThe question to Mr. Webpreacher is: Why do you use every opportunity where the Catholic Church is mentioned to attack Her?
Report Post »UBKidding
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:17pmFellow Roman Catholics, every answer you need can be found here in the Catechism of The Catholic Church.
For WebReacher:
Where is Scripture can we find purgatory?
“…for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that there is, namely, Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw, the work of each one will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire [itself] will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only through fire.” (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)
child baptism?,
“Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 19:14).
assumption of Mary?,
The angel Gabriel said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you” (Luke 1:28).
Sadly, I am limited by space, but webreacher needs to seek and he will find all the answers to his questions posted. As the answers are there and they are definitive.
God’s blessing to all.
Report Post »UBKidding
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:19pmdrinking the blood and eating the body of Christ literally aka communion?,
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.”
Report Post »UBKidding
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:21pmVicar of Christ?,
Matthew 10:40 He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me.
Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 18:18 . . . Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
John 13:20 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives any one whom I send receives me; and he who receives me receives him who sent me.
John 20:23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.
Read more: http://www.catholicfidelity.com/apologetics-topics/papacy/biblical-support-for-the-terms-holy-father-and-vicar-of-christ-by-dae-armstrong/
Matthew 18:5 Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me.
Matthew 25:40 Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me. (cf. 25:45)
Mark 9:37 Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me; and whoever receives me, receives not me but him who sent me.
Luke 9:48 Whoever receives this child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me; for he who is least among you all is the one who is great.
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:14amwebpreacher,
FYI – I am not catholic, nor do I defend catholic false teachings.
Report Post »My problem with you is you are also an arrogant man full of self righteous opinions and twisted scriptural understandings. I hope your following, if any, are few in number.
Don’t bother questioning me on this as I will not continue to respond to your nonsense. Your saying that Jesus is God is unscriptural, and I gave you the reasoning on that matter, but you do not understand or are too stubborn to admit that Jesus is God’s Son – John 3:16
WhiteFang
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 1:22amOldTruckers,
Lets give WebPreacher a little slack here, what applies is what Romans 10:2 says; “For I bear them witness that they (webpreacher) have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge;”
Web preacher is a adherent to the catholic trinity doctrine and as a consequence cannot grasp the truth that Jehovah and his Son Jesus are separate entities.
Webpreacher, please see Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18 , Isaiah 12:2, 26:4 – KJV
Report Post »by faith
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:21pmThe problem of sexual abuse of minors is not an issue of religious affiliation because there is nothing religious about abusing children. The phenomenon of sexual abuse of minors in church settings is the story of sick human beings taking advantage of their position of moral authority to prey on the weak and vulnerable. If Catholic clergy were to be faithful to their church’s teaching, there would be no abuse in the Catholic Church. The same goes for Protestant clergy. The problem, then, is not one of corrupt doctrine, but of individuals being unfaithful to the most basic precepts of their own religious belief.
Let’s be clear: the report of abuse in Protestant Churches in no way clears guilty members of the Catholic Church — neither the predators nor those who moved them from church to church and put other young people in danger. But the report does give us better perspective. The problem of sexual abuse has no denominational boundaries.
Report Post »But why, then, is there so much abuse in church settings in general? Because contemporary society is sick and it is producing so many sick people that some of these disjointed souls even end up in churches. It should also be noted that we are more likely to hear about the church-related cases because they tell a more salacious story — what should be white is black, and so on. The Catholic Church is the best story because the blame (and the money trail) can go all the way to Rome.
webpreacher
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:50pmBY FAITH, now that I can agree with, that was well stated, good post.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:20pmSexual Abuse of Minors in Protestant Churches
Report Post »The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.
In light of the sex abuse scandal that rocked the Catholic Church, religious and victims’ rights organizations have been seeking this type of data for years. It has been hard to come by since Protestant Churches are more de-centralized than the Catholic Church.
Responding to heavy media scrutiny, the Catholic Church has reported that since 1950, 13,000 “credible accusations” have been brought against Catholic clerics (about 228 per year.) The fact that this number includes all credible accusations, not just those that have involved insurance companies, and still is less than the number of cases in Protestant churches reported by just three insurance companies, should be making front page of The New York Times and the network evening news. It’s not.
The report is even more telling if we consider the plethora of independent or “store front” Protestant churches that don’t have insurance and whose numbers, therefore, certainly are not taken into account in this study.
oldwmn
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:03pmHENRY VIII could not get his marriage annulled from Catherine Of Aerogon Spain so he could fool around with Jane so he broke away from Catholic church and then slaughtered all the Nuns in the Convents he burnt them to the ground and took the land, he also slaughtered the priest, then he declared himself head of church of england, oh wait, then we had the bible thumpers giving the native americans blankets soaked in small pox,
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:02pmIt is leaders like this that are ruining my church. The Bishop knew for 5 months. At what point did he decide what Ratigan did was wrong? It should have been within the first 10 seconds after hearing about it the first time. 10 seconds later he should have called the police. Finn does not deserve the title of Bishop. He should be fired. He has already had the chance to resign and didn’t do it.
Leaders like Finn provide the ammunition for people who find this institutionalized behavior aborhent. I can’t fault them. It really PO’s me that is kind of behavior is tolerated by the members of the diocese. It really makes it difficult to respond to people who absolutely dislike the Catholic Church. I am so outraged that I can’t form coherent sentences. This BS needs to stop and the Church utterly purged of pedophiles (spelling?) and those who cover up the behavior. Excommunication is the only responsible action to take.
For all the Protestants out there, good practicing Catholics hate the behavior as much, if not more, than you do. To all the Catholics out there, you better start ranting too. Do not tolerate this behavior. Don’t argue that there is also this behavior in Protestant faiths. That is a child-like arguement. (Johnny does it too. So there.) What happens in the Protestant Christian community is irrelevant. I don’t care. I care about what happens in my church. This why people leave the Church. We act like a bunch of sheep.
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:28pmI disagree. I believe Catholics leave the church because they believe this is a Catholic only problem. I don‘t believe they’d be as willing to abandon their church if they realized sexual abuse of children is just as prevalent in every other faith as it is in their own. You turn the other cheek if you want, I’ll defend my faith from these stone throwing hypocrites.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00.html
Report Post »webpreacher
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:38am@ DUDLEY DO-RIGHT, To be clear, the Link. http://www.Jesus-is-Savior.com , is NOT my web site. It is a web site however I recommend for its “BIBLICAL CONTENT’, of which I do agree with. However, as for its position on “worldly events’ be it political, worldly events, what have you, I do not have a say either way. I’m not interest in these things. I am interested in what God (Jesus) is interested in. that is. seeing LOST Souls come to the truth of Jesus Gospel unto the saving of that person. Do you understand this, or is there something more I can help you with ?
Let us put things in perspective.
Report Post »There are presently @ 6.7 Billion people in the world today. in 120 years, they’ll ALL BE DEAD, their bodies in the grave, including you and I. However they ALL will still be alive in eternity, in one of two places. Heaven or Hell. Most of these 6.7 Billion will find themselves alive in HELL’S FLAMES (see Luke 16:19-31) there are Billion upon Billion there alive right now as I am writing what you are reading!
Why, because of the “Religions”, of man, not teaching the Truth of God’s Word. that is, Sin has separated the sinner (everyone) from God. Jesus is God’s provision for the gap that separates man from God, Jesus is the bridge that spans the gap, Religions do not teach this Truth.
Case in point, The Catholic church does not do any soul winning. Jesus was (is) a soul winner. You will never hear an invitation to receive Christ as LORD & Savior given in a Catholic service
by faith
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:03pmWeb-Deceiver/911 truther
Report Post »You post your lies and then run away. (Al Qaeda Tactics) I ask you simple 1 line questions and you can’t answer. I give you 3,00+ word answers with biblical quotes as well as 3rd party contemporary references. In Greek and Aramaic no less No answer. You leave me with 3 choices:
You are ignorant. I mean truly mentally deficient. Support for this argument would be (a) the fact that you cannot seem to locate the correct reply button to post on the proper thread. (b)The link you provide has “ 911 was an inside job” “Teen girls’ talking about oral sex, lesbianism” “a list False Bibles(which includes several versions of your KJV)” “Evolution the Big Hoax” “Alex Jones” and street preaching resources. Some of these also point to your self-aggrandizing. And (c) your inability to have a rational civil discussion.
Or secondly you are misinformed. (see also list above) You take information from other sources without verifying or investigating for accuracy. However you call yourself WEBPREACHER so you have an elevated self-worth which argues against following and more to a self-appointed leader.
Or lastly you are fully aware of the lies you are propagating and don’t care about the consequences.
I chose to believe you are ignorant, because believing the latter would expose you to great tribulation. You regurgitate your venom which someone else told you to believe, so maybe you are more idol worshiper than you think.
Old Truckers
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:55pmwebpreacher,
Still arrogant and condescending I see.
Report Post »Skee
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:24amRosery beads make a nice noose.
Report Post »webpreacher
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 11:09pm@OLD TRUCKER, Jesus is God, the Bible (which is the Authority), declares Christ’s deity as God
Report Post »Yes he is the Son of God, in his humanity, but also He is God in his eternality.
John chapter 1 teaches, that Jesus (the Word) was in the beginning (Genesis 1) with God, and was God, and that He Jesus created everything that was created. The New Testament book of John, God reveals who Jesus is, and this was done in Chapter 1.
John 1:1, “In the beginning” (see Genesis 1:1, same beginning) was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. (Notice “Word” is Capitalized in all 3 cases, why?) v.2 “The same was in the beginning with God”. (the same refers to a person, the Word ,Jesus, and the beginning refers to Genesis 1) v.3 “All things were made by him: and without him was not any thing made that was made”. ( speaks of all creation, was by him, The Word, Jesus) v.4 “In him was life; and the life was the light of men”. (the light of Genesis 1:3, “let there be light” Jesus) v.5 “And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not”. (Genesis 1:4, Light over powers darkness). v. 14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld HIS glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth”. note the personal pro noun “his”, is used to connect Word & flesh. Jesus is the Word of God, and in John 1: 1 it teaches that the Word was God.
Catholics dont understand this, because, their not
Libby Tarian
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:15amOk, I will post this again, it was scrubbed earlier. The Church of Rome (of which I was raised in for 22 years until I did my research and found out the truth) has perscuted other religions for years. Read
http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/
Alexander Hislop’s book “ The Two Babylons ” and then decide for yourselves.
http://www.heretication.info/_jews.html
Corruption starts at the top. Do not believe me, but do your research.
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:08amCharles E. Fuller was Jack T. Chick’s Catholic Hating mentor! Are you a Chick follower too?
“After being discharged from the service, Jack (Chick) returned to the Playhouse, where he met and married his wife, Lynn, who was instrumental in his salvation. While visiting Lynn’s parents in Canada on their honeymoon, Jack’s mother-in-law insisted that he sit and listen to Charles E. Fuller’s Old Fashioned Revival Hour radio program. Jack recalls, “God was already working on my heart, but when Fuller said the words, ‘Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow,’ I fell on my knees and my life was changed forever.”
http://archive.catholic.com/library/sr_chick_tracts_p2.asp
Report Post »quovadis
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:52pmJust a simple Wikipedia search on Alexander Hislop shows what a crack pot he was and a conspiracy theorist. Talk about starting his own religion! And a Jack Chick favorite to use. Poor lost souls.
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 1:41pmquovadis,
Wikipedia is not a reliable source for accurate information. Too many people can edit the information and there is no confidence in what they want to add to the site.
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 1:03amBlacktooth,
You changed your picture. That confused me for a second, but I’ll get used to it.
Report Post »Libby Tarian
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:15amThis has been the church of Rome for centuries ever since they upgraded from the Babylonian religion. They murdered the jews and persecuted the protestants for hundreds of years. There is no fix for this beast and the corruption starts at the top.
Report Post »Carol Ingian
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:46amAny church or priest excusing this behavior should not try to pass themselves off as Christian.
Report Post »There are many wonderful priests and parishners out there, and they need to stand together to put these criminals behind bars. There is no excuse, and they need to be held accountable.
wakeup1
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:34amI was raised Roman Catholic, this shames me to tears.!!! Years(Centuries too) ago Priests were tuff hard guys who accompanied troops into battle, acted as medics, and very often fought to save the wounded and died for it. Also a lot of them back in the 30‘s 40’s and 50′s opened boxing schools in the cities for poor kids, helped Vets find jobs after wars, and most importantly taught discipline and prepared youth for the real world!!! Now look at them? I have to say I cant blame all , or accuse all of them of these acts, but the good Catholics and the Pope need to clean house !!!! The Catholic Church is the oldest in the world. Expect evil to attack it with no mercy, and Satan has used everything from politics to wars to weaken it. There are millions of people who abandoned her in her time of need, corrupt democrats who call themselves Catholic, the splintering Lutherans, and the so called Episcopalian Church. I promise you, God will not let this Church fall, if it does fall, it will be the end of times. We are the blame, we let this happen, we all have part in this. If you think you don’t, then you need to think real hard about your life and deeds within it. Glenn, left the Church, how much stronger would it be with his voice involved ? And this goes for the rest of us who have abandoned it. Glenn sitting next to pelosi in the Church would bring shame to her !!! And she knows it. Come back home people. Come home! Or have my post erased It dont matter.
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:12amWhy don’t all of you Catholic bashers tell us what denomination you belong to? LOUISE, let’s start with you? Please tell us what church you belong to?
Report Post »louise
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:42amDudley do-right,
Report Post »When I see evil, I call it what it is.
I do not belong to any denomination. I don’t belong to any non-denomination.
webpreacher
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:53amWAKEUP1, Catholics NOT the oldest “Church” It is one of the world’s (man’s) oldest religions (and I should add “cults”). The oldest church would be the “Hebrew church” seen in the “OLD TESTAMENT”, a foreshadowing of Christ’s Church of the NEW TESTAMENT. which is the Body of Believers / “The Born Again”, regenerated by the indwelling Holy Spirit of God which abides in everyone that has received Christ Jesus and are trusting in Him Alone for Salvation and not of any “good works” .
Report Post »First instance of Church in New Testament, Matthew 16:18 Jesus says that ‘He’ will build HIS Church, on the Rock (large Stone / or Foundation, which is Jesus), not on Peter (small / little stone)
Second, Matthew 18:17, shows the church of God, body of believers already established before the Catholic church that started in 228 A.D.
Third, of the Church, Acts 2:47 “Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the LORD “added” to the church daily such as should be saved”. What is the church, those that are the “SAVED”, born again, regenerated by the indwelling Holy Spirit !
Proof of OT church is the oldest, Acts 7:38 Steven’s sermon ; “This is he, that was in the ‘church’… ( ref.Exodus 19 & 20)
Acts 11: 26, “And when he had found him, he brought him unto “Antioch”. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the “church”, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians “FIRST” in Antioch,( NOT ROME.
webpreacher
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:01amHey, DUDLEY DO RIGHT, No one is bashing the ‘people’ in the Catholic church, no, its not personal. It IS the heresy, the False Teachings of Catholicism, that are under question and rightfully so, for many (millions) are being lead away from the Truth of God’s Word.
for information on False Doctrine, go to
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http://www.GodSaid/ManSaid.com
wakeup1
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:26am@Webpreacher……A cult you say ? How so? By following the teachings and commandments of Jesus and God? If that’s your opinion of what the Catholic Church is then, I suppose I am part of the body of Christ Cult !
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:43amThe shame of it all this …The non doms etc came from the Catholic Church ….When Luther wrote his 99 thesis it wasnt meant for people to leave the Catholic Church it was to bring it back to its roots …The birth of the Protestants (The shism of the Catholic Church) Luther said “ I protest” hence the name… wasnt meant about the way Catholics did things it was for the selling of indulgences….and the corruptness that was going on….what the nom doms and the rest arent corrupt today? Give me break yall are up to your necks in Obama and social justice! Cant you see it …evil that has separated us the body of Christ as a whole??? webpreacher ? you think your without Sin my friend? I suggest you read the real history of the Church. Dont like Mary the Mother of Christ? tuff buddy…she is what she is, and it was Jesus’s own commandment on the Cross before he died that dictates we adore our Mother the Virgin Mary…so if you have a problem with that then you have a problem with Jesus!
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:44amLOUISE
Now all Catholics are evil because we embrace our church. How very Christian of you!
Abuse confession raises questions of cover-up by Baptist mega-church
Are all Baptist evil too?
http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/6634/53/
Lutheran female bishop resigns in pedophile cover-up scandal
Are all Lutherans evil too?
How about Methodists, are all Methodists evil too?
The court’s ruling said it was holding the conference in part responsible for the way it tried to cover up the abuse.
http://www.winonadailynews.com/news/opinion/editorial/article_e2235dca-f135-11e0-ad81-001cc4c002e0.html
I could post links all day long from every faith known to man, including yours. Sexual abuse of children is not a Catholic only problem. Now if you want to condemn individuals within the Catholic Church for wrong doing, that’s fair game and IMO and those individuals need to have the light shine brightly on them. It‘s the only way we’re going to purge our church from these individuals. But to claim that we’re all evil because we embrace our church is not justified or fair.
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:45am@ WAKEUP1, I will ask you one question, “are you born again”?
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:58amWhere do you think all these prayers and teachings came from today, the Apologetics the evangelicals use today to bring people to Christ? I’ll tell you they came from the early Catholic Church fathers and leaders ,Thomas Aquinas, Francis of Assisi, and the plethora of the writings of the Saints. There not new, those have been ripped off by so called preachers! Im not mad im just saying do your history properly!
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:05pmJesus said he would build his church on Peter; He then gave Peter the Keys of the Kingdom and said the power of hell will NOT prevail against it. For the next thousand or so years there was ONE Christian church, through the next thousand or so years , the evil one has chipped away at it, yet she still stands.
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:07pmI was Baptized and confirmed Catholic, and have praying on my knees ever since and yes my God Parents are still in my life watching over me! We Catholics dont need to be born again and again and again were covered from birth brother lol I love my Evangelical brothers and support you fully in your endeavors…no hate is coming from me !!!
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:19pmThere are over 30,000 protestant denominations throughout the world, all professing their own truth. Which one is correct if they all have different truths? Doctrinal chaos is the false fruit of manmade religion
Report Post »Here is your faith alone Creator: Martin Luther said: “if we allow them (the Ten Commandments) any influence in our conscience, they become the cloak of all evil, heresies and blasphemies. He also said that faith alone (sola fide) would get you to heaven. (Nowhere in the scripture can you find this saying) He basically said you can commit sins, break the 10 commandments but if you have faith nothing will happen. Additionally he said: be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly. No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day you will not lose you’re justification. Today protestants call this man a hero. How can he be a hero if he changed God’s word and corrupted the scripture?
“These demons would haunt the imagination of Martin Luther who had visions, which he believed to be actual physical occurrences of the devil hurling [excrement] at him and his hurling it back. Indeed, in one of his many anal combats with the devil in which Luther would challenge the devil to ‘lick’ his posterior. Luther thought the best tactic might be ‘to throw him into my anus, where he belongs.’” Harry Crocker “Triumph” pg237
louise
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 3:53pmDudley do-right
Of course this has happened in protestant churches.
Report Post »But this particular article is about a bishop of the Catholic church. ANYONE who does such evil to an innocent is a pervert. Any normal human being would know this. What is truly evil is the cover up.
Frankly, why are you sticking up for a church who continually allows these sickos to stay in office?
Why doesn’t someone immediately call the POLICE when something like this becomes known, instead of going to the “church” channels?
They are criminals. Criminals go to prison. Period.
Free2speakRN
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 8:55amby faith,
Any new and big issue, “All eyes turn to Rome.”
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Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:28amFree2speak
Great point, that is so true.
Report Post »Between you and me, I don‘t know why they don’t just call up one of these “Catholic experts” they can tell us what the Pope thinks and save the money on the overseas call.
mike_trivisonno
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:23amInvestigations into the institutionalized child abuse found in Madrahsas throughout the Islamic world are NEVER conducted.
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:19amThe transgressions of the Catholic church pale in comparison to the institutional abuse of children that is found in the madras of the Islamic world.
But oddly, that face of Islam is never exposed to Westerners.
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:21amMadrasahs of the Islamic world.
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 7:04amAs with all abuse situations, love and healing need to be heaped upon the victims. Mercy and forgiveness on the violators. Clergy are human and subject to evil and sin. That doesn’t make it right, nor does it indite the entire Church or Her teachings. As Jesus said…’on this rock I build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail over it’. While shameful, hurtful, and wrong…the actions of a few, do not negate the Truth as revealed by Jesus the Christ, nor do those actions condemn the Roman Catholic Church, Her members, Her faithful, nor Her servants.
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 7:41amThe “ROCK’ is Jesus, and I’ll stick with “ His members”, “His Faithful” and “His servants”
More about the “Foundation” (The Rock) of God’s Church, the body of Christ “Born Again” spirit filled Followers of Jesus …go to
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louise
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 7:44amThis guy waited 5 months to call police??
Why? Maybe so he could see all of the disgusting child porn? The guy should be in prison.
Mercy and forgiveness for the violatiors, Pardawg?? Scripture says without repentance there is no forgiveness of sin.
This pervert and all the other perverts who use the innocent in such a vile and evil way will get NO mercy or forgiveness from me. Catholics know their popes, bishops and priests knew about all this disgusting evil that was going on …yet they STILL embrace this so-called church!!!
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:46pmso rock is Jesus…wrong but lets go with that. you want me to believe that Jesus intended to build his church, but left no one in charge? Why would he do that? They didn’t even have the bible to read so they could take passages out of context and build their own religion.
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Posted on October 23, 2011 at 3:40pmThe Rock is Peter. Read your scripture. “She” is the Church. “She” is Christ’s Bride. For a ‘preacher’ you seem to have made up your own ‘scripture’… it‘s certainly not the same as the Church’s Sacred Scripture. Just sayin’….
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 1:00amAnyone involved in the catholic church only has themselves to blame. The truth of just how deep pedophilia runs in the church will be revealed sooner or later, maybe then, people will see what a scam it is.
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 5:23amThe people (Catholics) support the church. There is an issue within the church. If Catholics DID look the other way, your “self to blame” statement would have credibility, but that is NOT the reality.
Personally, this issue is too big for me to believe that it is not at some level, an intentional plan to dismantle the church and its influence upon the principles of liberty and self responsibility through an orchestrated scandal attack, through infiltration with an intent to discredit the church and turn people away from the church and thereby away from the teachings of self responsibility and personal self-government and teachings of each life being sacred. When those teachings are untaught, communism wins. Responsibility is what the issue is here though. People need to have confidence and pride in their church and even if my opinion is correct, which I believe it is, those of higher authority need to react very strongly and clean house. I am sure there is concern that yet another case will bring even more negativie opinion upon the church, but I say just weed these bastards out and get the church back to doing what it is meant to do.
Government repeatedly oversteps its authority. The Scientiific community has become untrustworthy. News sources have become untrustworthy. It’s all because corrupt people, sabateurs, commies have gone inside the institutions and intentionally diverted their credibility by operating in ways that greatly weaken the public confidence.
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:35amTRUTHANDFREEDOM, It is NOT a purposeful scandal in some planned attempt to tarnish Catholics as you try to vainly proclaim ! It in fact, is a direct result of the false teachings of Catholicism, in NOT allowing “priests” to marry which is NOT Biblical.:
1 Timothy 3:1-2 ; “This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work”. verse 2 “A bishop (leader, Pastor, Elder, deacon,) then must be blameless, the “HUSBAND’ of one wife”,,,,and there it is, must, MUST be a Husband.
verse 11. “Even so must (MUST) their wives be grave, ”
verse 12, “Let the deacons be the ”HUSBANDS” of one wife, ruling their “children” and their own houses well”.
Titus 1: Here we read of Paul’s desire to set the Church in order in the appointing of “Elders” !
verse 5. “For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee”; verse 6 “If any be blameless, the “HUSBAND” of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly”.
In these passages of Holy Scripture, God (NOT man) gives the qualification of those who would be the “Leaders” in His Church, the “Body of Christ”, who are the “Born Again” Followers of Jesus who is the Rock, the Foundation of His Church being Heavenly (of God).. which is NOT the catholic church which is earthly (of man)
more about Catholicism’s false teachings
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Dudley Do-Right
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:16amWEBPREACHER
Again you post a link to a website that claims 9/11 was an inside job? Please explain. I also noticed that your website claims that no plane hit the Pentagon! Why should we believe anything your link claims when it makes crazy claims like that?
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Posted on October 21, 2011 at 6:12pmWeb,
Vainly? ! ??? Where is THAT coming from? Are you an Alinsky progressive?
Report Post »It’s not just against Catholicism. It’s against all of Christianity, but the attack hits different denominations and different points of influence in different ways. We see what’s happening with the Catholic Church. In other denomination Churches, infiltration is coming in the form of Social Justice advocacy and it is causing attendance to drop and churches to close. A prime example of this type of infiltration is Jim Wallis, who says Jesus was a socialist and that he’d join OWS. Clearly Jim Wallis is not a true Christian. Christian Church goers know they’ve infiltrated when they hear that. Then, we have abortion advocating Catholics like John Kerry & Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi was repremanded by a Bishop after she said that the Bible advocates abortion. Add to this the freedom FROM religeon crowd, the never ending and totally inaccurate repeating of a supposed Separation of Church and State platform in the Constitution when it is NOT there in any way beyond what it says in the 1st amendment, but the phrase IS in Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists & 2 days after writing it (and for 8 years as president) he demonstrated what he meant when he went to Sunday services in the House of Congress … INSIDE the Capitol building. Christian influence (SELF responsibility, INDIVIDUAL salvation – NOT COLLECTIVE) is a MAJOR target for communists. MUCH of what we see happening is that.
Two Trees
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 5:48amTruth& … KUDOS!
Report Post »Distorted truth of the sort where a seed of truth (Shocking story: Catholics are a bunch of sinners!) is twisted to conform to the listeners’ weakness (How dare they say those things?! And they actually love sinners no less!) are characteristic M.O. for the “liar and murderer from the beginning.”
Attacks (by and) against Christians in general and (by and) against Catholics in particular are unequivocally diabolic in conceptual origin, regardless of the messengers or tools.
Two Trees
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 5:57amWebPreach. Are you really sure that not consecrated virginity is not biblical?
Huh.
I could have sworn that a teaching where Christ says that celibacy is best but not something everyone is given the grace to understand….
Oh right. The dictator that bankrolled KJV … I suppose he had Mrs. Jesus in there?
I’ll find the line about not marrying if you like, but I should understand that for a good Christian then the LORD’s own celibacy is not a biblical fact?
Maybe rethink that?
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