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Indonesian Muslims Condemn Lady Gaga Concert: ‘Intended to Destroy the Nation’s Morality’

Indonesian Muslim Leaders Condemn Lady Gaga ConcertPop star Lady Gaga may have millions of fans across the globe, but some Islamic leaders in Indonesia cannot be counted among them.

The Jakarta Globe is reporting that the singer has drawn the ire of Muslim leaders in the Southeast Asian country after her concert, which is bound to be provocative, sold out in less than two hours.

The June 3 performance that has religious leaders up in arms is scheduled to take place at the Gelora Bung Karno Stadium in Senayan, Central Jakarta, Indonesia. After selling 25,000 tickets, Lady Gaga attracted the attention of Indonesian Council of Ulema (ICU) chairman Cholil Ridwan, who said, “[The concert is] intended to destroy the nation’s morality.”

“She is from the West, and she often shows her aurat [private parts of the body] when performing,” the chairman continued, going on to state his worry that Western singers, like Lady Gaga, have a negative influence over Indonesian youths. It may be time, he maintained, for these “cultural attacks to end.

Indonesian Muslim Leaders Condemn Lady Gaga ConcertThe ICU is a body that governs relations between the Indonesian government and the religious community. Ridwan admitted to never seeing the singer perform and that he merely knows of her reputation from learning information from others.

The Global Post adds:

Chairman Cholil Ridwan, of the influential Indonesian Council of Ulema, is honoring the rich Indonesian-Malaysian tradition of condemning Western pop stars for besmirching religious piety on their soil.

Past performers accused of soiling youthful morality include Kelly Clarkson, Rihanna, Linkin Park, Avril Lavigne and — just recently in Malaysia – Erykah Badu.

An imam also weighed in on the controversy. Although Imam Ali Mustafa Yaqub said that Lady Gaga isn’t “haram” (forbidden by Islamic law), watching her performances is. Viewing a women who is barely clothed, Yaqub explained, is not permitted under Muslim law.

“Perform naked only in front of your husband,” he said.

(H/T: Jakarta Globe)

Comments (127)

  • TH30PH1LUS
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 3:20pm

    “Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.” 2 Corinthians 7:1

    “Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable–if anything is excellent or praiseworthy–think about such things.” Philippians 4:8

    If God’s people in America observed these principles in their choices about entertainment – the Music and Film industries would transform within a few years.

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 3:52pm

      who would want to see her johnson anyway?

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 4:51pm

      so you‘re saying the US of A should be a little more like the world’s largest Muslim country?

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    • db321
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 5:22pm

      Wait Muslims, she is on your side! I cant wait for the Feminist and the Muslims to start Battling – even Atheist will pray for the day that Christianity is allow back in the US. Useful Idiots – they know not what they do!

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 6:28pm

      who me? im just saying I dont want to see her johnson.

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 7:23pm

      @ SoNick

      Not at all. I am saying that Christians as individuals should strive to be more like Jesus in their choices, living in the extraordinary power of God’s grace, distinguishing themselves with good living and excellence, turning away from what God identifies as sin.

      No need for “bans” or “prohibitions” or mandates from anyone. Entertainers like Gaga just won’t make any money from me.

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 8:18pm

      @TH30PH1LUS
      Lady Gaga’s a christian. Maybe not your kind of christian but she is.

      @db321
      How in the world is Lady Gaga on the Muslim’s side?

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:49am

      The last thing in all this world that I‘m going to do is accept a lecture on morality by a bunch of Religionists who think it’s hunky-dory to marry little girls, beat your wives (plural), fly planes into skyscrapers, kidnap and rape the daughters of people of faith traditions different from your own, then burn down their former houses of worship, and strap on bomb vests to wander into crowds of people who don’t happen to pray the way you say to blow themselves up and take the “infidels” with them.

      “Morality.” You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    • PaxInVeritate
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:43am

      SONICK, Gaga is a lapsed Catholic. If she was practicing her faith she would not be singing songs  based in immorality, narcissism and subjective truth (just read the lyrics of “Judas” and  “Born This Way”) and dressing immodestly. In her seeking fame, fortune and self-gratification she is losing her soul.
      Fast and pray for her, 
            ”Mother of Salvation, I ask You to pray for the mercy of young souls, who are in terrible darkness, so that they recognize Your Beloved Son when He comes to redeem the whole of mankind. Let not one soul fall by the wayside. Let not one soul reject His Great Mercy. I pray, Mother, that all are saved, and ask You to cover these souls with Your Holy Mantle to provide them the protection they need from the deceiver.”
           “Jesus, I urge you to forgive those sinners, so dark of soul, who will refuse the light of Your mercy. Forgive them Jesus, I plead with You, in order to redeem them from the sins which they find it so difficult to extract themselves from. Flood their hearts with Your rays of mercy, and allow them the chance to return to Your fold.”

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    • paulppp2008
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:43am

      So true; thanks for sharing that.

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 3:49pm

      Here is 1 THING I AGREE WITH THE MUSLIMS ON. Some of these movie stars and music artists are helping to CORRUPT OUR YOUTH and we STILL DO NOTHING about it.

      STOP GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY – NOW!
      STOP GOING TO THE MOVIES TO WATCH THE ONES WHO SWEAR, SHOW NUDITY, AND OTHER PERVERTED ACTS. You are only supporting them to DO MORE OF THE SAME.

      Stop buying their music. YOU ARE SUPPORTING THEIR LIFESTYLES.

      Start telling your kids THAT IT IS WRONG TO SUPPORT THESE AWFUL PEOPLE, but PROVE TO THEM WHY IT IS SO. If they won’t listen, then SHUN THEM. Yes, I mean shun them. YOU ARE EITHER FOR DECENCY OR YOU ARE NOT. TO NOT SHUNT THEM MEANS YOU SUPPORT THEM.

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 3:50pm

      SoNick:
      YES, SHE IS A WORLDLY CHRISTIAN, BUT NOT A FOLLOWER OF JESUS CHRIST.

      See the difference? YET?

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 3:53pm

      Lesbian Packing Hollow Points:
      I DO feel very sorry for you and I pray for you.

      God is watching everything that you and I do and He will judge us by HIS WORDS TO US and those words are found in the Bible. He is full of mercy and grace, BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR IT or you DO NOT RECEIVE IT. So, I guess you don’t want it and that IS YOUR CHOICE because God loves you SO MUCH, HE WANTS YOU TO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE BETWEEN HIM OR PERVERSION AND EVIL. You have chosen. GOOD LUCK.

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 4:04pm

      It’s the PERVERSION that draws people into her. It is the devil blinding people and lying to them.

      I have never heard her music BECAUSE her looks offend my senses and I AM A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST and the Holy Spirit tells me to NOT support her in any way. Since GOD is my Savior and I FOLLOW ONLY HIM, I do what He tells me to do and so far, IT HAS BEEN WONDERFUL. I am happier because I KNOW HE WATCHES OVER ME AND I WILL BE LIVING WITH HIM SOON.

      Some of you say that this singer/performer claims to be a Christian, but I am telling you that SHE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN as some of you THINK you know what a true Christian is and believes.
      She has not accepted Jesus Christ as her personal Savior or SHE WOULD HAVE CLEANED UP HER ACT OF PERVERSION. That perversion comes from Satan.

      Jesus told us in the NT that YOU WOULD KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS (Matthew 7:20) and IF THIS IS THE FRUITS YOU THINK JESUS PRODUCES then you are VERY MISTAKEN.

      Any of you who follow this person or anyone else who does perverted acts, IS NOT OF GOD.
      THINK VERY LONG AND HARD AS TO WHO YOU FOLLOW before you reply to this. Every word you speak IS BEING held either FOR YOU or AGAINST YOU in your own book in Heaven. It is what will judge you on Judgement Day. THINK VERY CAREFULLY. Your actions AFTER the Holy Spirit speaks to you will also either condemn you or exalt you. So, if you support these perverted people after you have been warned, you have no one to blame but yourself.

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    • desertdink
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:10pm

      @I SUPPORT GOD’S ISRAEL…

      You would be wise to not be so quick as to judge the heart of even someone with the outward signs of Lady Gaga as a Christian or not. While I would agree she does not present a very moral picture, and you are free to criticize her actions as unGodly, I am sure you will agree it is GOD who will judge her heart as either of faith or not.

      @ Your statement of “Your actions AFTER the Holy Spirit speaks to you will also either condemn you or exalt you”….

      This is not a one-time event. The Holy Spirit is CONTINALLY working through the heart of the believer. Perhaps you have heard of the LAW which continues to condemn us as sinners, and the GOSPEL that continues to assure us of forgiveness from the sins we commit?…and how BOTH are irrelevant without the other? We ALL sin and fall short of the glory of God, and even BELIEVERS are not the exception. The difference is, those of faith are given power through the Holy Spirit to confess this sin, repent/turn, and follow God’s will in our lives. Regardless it is done ALL through the power and glory of God, and we need only not reject God’s gift of grace. As sinful humans we are utterly helpless to do anything other than offend God by our own reason or strength, and therefore ONLY through Christ have we the hope to live eternally.

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    • desertdink
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:27pm

      Perhaps people are familiar with the passage from Matt. 15 where Jesus is saying, “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

      Lady Gaga (or anyone else) does not MAKE someone immoral, since from Christ’s own words, being immoral comes out of one’s OWN heart, not what one puts into the body…whether that be food or music from a pop artist that has the exact same beat in EVERY song. Not that we should wallow in what is unGodly and expect to come out very “moral”, but whether you are moral or not depends on YOU and YOUR thoughts and actions, and NOT that of Lady Gaga or anyone else.

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    • Texas.7
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:43pm

      I support God’s Israel!-

      “Here is 1 THING I AGREE WITH THE MUSLIMS ON.”

      I was about to say those very words, and you beat me to it! To think there is anything we find common ground with them on…

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    • Texas.7
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 12:00am

      desertdink,
      While I agree very much that we really don‘t know what is in someone’s heart, I think it is fair to say that we are to use God-given wisdom to know what is wholesome for the soul, and what is vile. Would Jesus tell His disciples (us) that it is OK to attend her concerts and enjoy the display?

      2 Titus 2:21 Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work. 22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.

      Eph 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even *expose them

      Actually, I’m not into walking around and pointing fingers at all the things other Christians are doing wrong, because in part, I agree with you. The Holy Spirit may be working on them. But surely, you agree that we can stand boldly on truth and not some watered down secular rule of not being able to say that anything around is is wrong- “it is just different”. Personally, I am sick of the political correctness, and believe that Jesus Christ is happy with us when we recognise that which harms the soul, warn others and stay away from it ourselves. I think going to a Gaga concert applies here.

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  • TheSoundOf Truth
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:59pm

    So, it being bad music isn’t enough to condemn it?

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    • DeltaCharlieCain
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 3:38pm

      Exactly! I can‘t believe she’s popular. She SUCKS!

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    • Popp40
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 5:03pm

      Hey you have to give it up to her marketing team….they are geniuses!!!!!

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:53pm

    .
    I don’t think you have to be an Indonesian Muslim to condemn the Gaga…..

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 3:19pm

      Gaga make me GAG GAG!

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    • OutOfTheAether
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 4:25pm

      man, I’m with you. nothing virtuous or lovely about THOSE performances. sheesh

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    • MS-GlenNBC
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:26am

      I think the Libs should join Gaga and go over there a protest their laws…. Bring Gloria Allred and make a media spectacle in front of their courts.

      Protest in Iran and ask to perform there too.

      Then go to Afghanistan for a Free Show.

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  • HorseCrazy
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:50pm

    she is an idiot,. her “music” is awful and she feels the need to run around in costumes and promote gay lifestyles to children. have fun in indonesia you idiot.

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    • RoqueGerig
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 3:56pm

      Its a sad comment about our culture that they are right.

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    • MaryofAz
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 6:59pm

      She is the poster girl for hedonism and she better watch her back. Islam takes no prisoners.

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  • powedj
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:49pm

    I’m not sure if lady GAGA is a transvestite. Does anyone know for sure?.

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    • poster
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 3:48pm

      Nah… the muslim men will LOVE her body. She’s got a hot body.

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    • Popp40
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 5:06pm

      Nope….it is Marylin Manson resurrecting his career!

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  • let us prey
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:44pm

    Should have wore a pork dress. Love to see that reaction. She is a freak show. I think she is a dude, or maybe a hermaphrodite. I hope they keep her.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:32pm

    I hater her Act… but I love her singing-voice.

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    • blondenblueeyed
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 7:05pm

      Are you kidding me? You call that a ‘singing’ voice? It sounds more like my dawg getting his paw caught in the door.

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 4:09pm

      Lukerw:
      She is NOT blessed by God. SHE IS BLESSED BY THE DEVIL. And, if you condone her actions, or you support her in any way, YOU ARE ASKING GOD TO TURN HIS BACK ON YOU, if He hasn’t already.

      There are much better performers in this world than her kind – perverted and twisted. So, if this is all you like, then that MAKES YOU ON THE WRONG SIDE. Think about what the first commenter said when he quoted from the Bible. And, while you are at it, read the book of Revelation and see that THOSE WHO FOLLOW CHRIST WILL WIN THE BATTLE OVER GOOD AND EVIL anyways.

      I would suggest you start reading the Bible soon and find out which side you really are on. EITHER THE WINNING SIDE OR THE DEFEATED SIDE. Right now, you have a choice, but not for long.

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  • RightUnite
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:30pm

    Good… Now, maybe the idiots on the left will see the true colors of Islam, and finally see they are not our friends….. Or, how many of those on the left will die before they finally come to their senses?

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on March 20, 2012 at 4:17pm

      I doubt it. Because we are in the end-times, I believe, souls are being SEARED because of their evilness, vulgarities, and perversions. These souls have been warned over and over to move away from perversions and evil. Because they will not listen and do not want to follow God’s laws, THEY WILL BE HANDED OVER TO SATAN AND HIS MINIONS. These souls will be lost forever if they continue their course. So, I said all that to say this: THERE IS NOT MUCH TIME LEFT before followers of Christ will be slandered and made to be the enemy….it is happening now. IT WON’T CHANGE, IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE AND GOD’S WORD.

      What you should do:
      1. Get into your Bible and PUT ON THE WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD, INCLUDING THE HOLY SPIRIT.
      2. ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF ANY SIN YOU THINK YOU HAVE IN YOU. He will forgive.
      3. Find a good Bible-believing Church.
      4. GET INVOLVED IN YOUR CHURCH, or at least, if you are not able, find one that has online sermons, BUT GET FED WITH THE WORD OF GOD.
      5. Get involved in your community so you can turn the hearts of men, as God directs.

      THIS IS ALL YOU CAN DO AND NOTHING MORE UNLESS GOD GIVES YOU INSTRUCTIONS.
      Followers of Christ can PUSH BACK EVIL AND DESTINY FOR A BIT by praying and fasting, but it is inevitable, THE BIBLE WILL PREVAIL AND THE BOOK OF REVELATION WILL HAPPEN in our time. PERIOD. If you scoff at this, then read this: http://bible.cc/jude/1-18.htm

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  • Daveed
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:26pm

    Have to agree with them. Lady GaGa is a bad influence of any nation’s youth. So is Rap.
    So are Hollywood movies. So is porn.

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    • OutOfTheAether
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 4:59pm

      The sad comment on it all is that the concert sold out. I guess there’s no accounting for taste, eh? or class.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 4:59pm

      Only problem is, Islam is worse than all of them.

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  • SBR308
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:25pm

    Those moo-slums should be happy to see her private parts. I know I would enjoy seeing them.

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  • cemerius
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:15pm

    Ahhh Gaga is an equal opportunist when destroying the World’s morallity!!!! When will they issue the fatwa for her stoning? Maybe stone those that have tickets too? We have the “thought police” they have the “morality police”…..hmmm common ground?

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  • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:12pm

    If there was ever a woman in need of a nose job, face job or a Hijab in lieu of the other two…

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  • dmerwin
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:10pm

    Imagine that from the ever tolerant religion of peace.

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  • cranberry
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:52pm

    So… only girls can go to the concert?

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  • spirited
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:47pm

    This is an opportunity
    to (self) gouge out,
    cover,
    or
    close
    the offended one’s eyes;
    instead of putting women behind a “veil”.

    {][8^ >Lead YOURSELVES not unto temptation…..eh-men

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  • IMCHRISTIAN
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:46pm

    Our morality sure has gone downhill. There should be some public control and the individuals should know what is offensive. God sure does.

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    • spirited
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:03pm

      “Public control” ?
      “““““““““““““““““Obamacare and 3-16-12 Executive Order

      >social justice & infastructure = fundamental change

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    • Watchyer6
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:20pm

      Wow. You’re just like the Indonesian Muslims.

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    • IMCHRISTIAN
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:45pm

      I did missed on public control as I was thinking of TV public channels where we don’t get much of a choice on main channels anymore. The rest you can do what you want. Moral is just my preference, so sorry my brain doesn’t work as fast as fingers can type lol

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  • poster
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:45pm

    “Indonesian Muslims Condemn Lady Gaga Concert: ‘Intended to Destroy the Nation’s Morality’

    Hey, hey, now… She‘s helped destroy our nation’s morality, why not yours? Remember, she’s an Obama supporter.

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  • aragona
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:43pm

    People are seriously saying ban her? Really? If you don’t like her or what she represents, don’t watch her or buy her records. The First Amendment should be protected at all costs.

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    • whatthecrazy
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 2:22pm

      Uh i don’t think they have a first ammendment in Indonesia,i think that only covers her here in the U.S…………

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    • spirited
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 3:58pm

      US Constitution is being violated in the US by US elected Officials.

      >But, Jakarda Indonesia is supposed to comply with it?

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    • goahead.makemyday
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 4:31pm

      Where or when did you come in Argona? I mean please it says Indonesia in the headline! Besides I don’t know if Indonesia even has a constitution. But still, at least read the headline.

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  • Cavallo
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:42pm

    At least they didn’t threaten to kill her…. yet…

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  • sdarbro
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:40pm

    Thus the need for the hibjab in Muslim apparel. Then the Imams can attend the concert without worry of being recognized. This information was made apparent when Anwar Al Alaki was spotted in a flower hibjab at a Pink concert in Hakarta. He would have pulled off the fiasco had his beard not kept penetrating the face veil.

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    • spirited
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:59pm

      <*)"",,~~< Osama Bin Laden only watched porn behind the walls of his cave.

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  • hauschild
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:40pm

    ‘Intended to Destroy the Nation’s Morality’

    Wrong. Intended to destroy the nation’s eyesight and upset may a stomachs.

    That’s one nasty ho.

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  • Robert999
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:37pm

    Lady Gaga’s act is immoral and should be banned in America and worldwide.

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  • GdHUs
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:35pm

    Hey, what do you know? They got it right for a change.

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  • Mark0331
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:33pm

    I dont care for her, I prefer real musicians to re-tread performance art, that being said, watch some Muslim blow himself up in the crowd or at the gates….

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    • chips1
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:38pm

      In other words, “Lady Gaa Gaa explodes on the scene”. If you don’t count stoning women, cutting peoples heads off and raping goats, not much morals left to corrupt.

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  • euragone
    Posted on March 19, 2012 at 1:30pm

    When did Mooslims start believing in morality!

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    • Master_and_Commander
      Posted on March 19, 2012 at 6:22pm

      Look pal, I‘m no fan of the Muslim’s interpretation of morality, but the moment you start to mock them instead of asking honest critical questions, you delegitimize your argument and only make your opponent’s less willing to argue with you. Lets try a little civility for once

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