Iowa Town Votes Again to Force Some Residents to Hand Over Their Keys
- Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:38pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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The City Council in Cedar Falls, IA has voted to expand its lock box ordinance. What is that, you ask? That means residents in certain apartment buildings, as well as some businesses, have to give access to their building keys to firefighters. The council said it’s to protect the citizens in case of an emergency. But opponents say it’s a scary example of an ever-creeping Big Brother.
The lock boxes are like tiny key safes located outside an establishment. The fire department is theoretically the only one that has the key, and it justifies the devices by saying that they will save time and also property (i.e. the fire dept. won’t have to break down a door to get into a house).
According to WCFCourier.com, the Council expanded the lock box ordinance on Monday. In the past, the city had required lock boxes for firefighters to access keys to apartment buildings with six or more units and commercial buildings with sprinkler systems or unsupervised alarm systems. Now, the updated ordinance requires the lock boxes for apartment buildings with three or more units, which expands the city’s reach.
But as the Courier points out, that concerns some, considering the local government now has access to residents’ keys and can apparently enter in an “emergency:”
Many of those opposed to the issue questioned why it should apply only to businesses and apartment buildings. If it is safer to have keys in lock boxes, they said, why shouldn’t they be required for all buildings?
Carol Hanson doesn’t support lock boxes and thinks people will look to have the decision reversed.
“Since this seems to be a political hot-button issue, why not allow the citizens of Cedar Falls to vote on this?” Hanson asked the council.
Many of the opponents pleaded for the council to heed the requests from those speaking against the ordinance.
“It’s not the job of the mayor or the council to judge the merit of an issue, it’s the job of the people. It’s the job of the council and the mayor to listen to the people,” said Travis Biggs.
One concerned citizen posted a video online showing some of the debate:
This was the third and final vote the Council took on the issue. It passed 6-1.
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Comments (197)
Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:03pmwhat country was that councilman from ? his accent wasnt from Iowa ….
Report Post »axel@25
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:27pmMust be one that has a police state. the concept of the most votes seems to completely eacape him.
Report Post »Michael_912
Posted on June 16, 2011 at 1:51amI live here in Iowa, that part of Iowa is our liberal northeast part of the state. Thank God I live in one of the conservative districts. The man with the funny accent was born in Iran from what I understand.
Report Post »Michael_912
Posted on June 16, 2011 at 1:53amHe was born in Iran from what we are told from the folks there.
Report Post »Moocephus
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:01pmOh thank you for putting out the fire mister fireman. Here’s a bill for the door you busted open saving all my belongings.
Report Post »cntrlfrk
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:57pmAnybody who opposes this wants people to burn to death in a fire!!!11eleventy!!!*
*(typical leftist freedom robbing reply)
Report Post »BlackCrow
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:56pm“He who would sacrifice liberty for a little temporary security deserves neither liberty or security.” B. Franklin
This is also why we have republican rule of law instead of democratic rule of mob. Violation of the Fourth Amendment, You going to get a search warrant Mr. Fire Chief?
Report Post »Deda1
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:56pmYou wouldn’t have gotten my keys no matter how they voted!
Report Post »2010GOP
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:55pma neighbor was reported by another neighbor here in Colorado to the Code Enforcement Office for “alleged” electrical wire problems. The city had no proof, other than a disgruntled neighbor complaint. When Code Enforcement tried to enter the home for inspection the alleged offender said NO. Less than 3 days after ordering code enforcement off the property by using the local police department to do so, code enforcement showed up with a “search warrant” to inspect the electric in the home. The residents were place on a sofa, not allowed to watch what the officers were doing during the search. Mind you there was NO criminal issue, just ONE complaint from ONE neighbor. The search found no violations other than one low battery on one smoke detector that was also direct wired in. They left, and no other issue surfaced. Is this what we are to expect for our rights of limiting the “search and seizure” portion of our rights?
Report Post »elosogrande
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:55pmMany fire fighters had a strict code. If they are in a house or apartment fighting a fire, and there happens to be loose money or jewelry laying around, it’s theirs. The feeling is that the occupants will file an insurance claim, reporting the valuables as lost in the fire, so nobody loses…right?
I’m not sure leavingh a key available is a good idea, but maybe policemen and fire fighters are all honest in Iowa. There’s alway a first time.
Report Post »Dustoff
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:36pmWRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no idea where you got that idea from. As a FF myself I think this rule by the town is nutty.
Yes we do need keys when it comes to big buildings because the doors and not easy to take down.
Plus we need to see if there really is a fire first.
PS… It’s called a Knox Box.
Report Post »Harvey
Posted on June 15, 2011 at 3:41amWhere i live they are not all honest,there has been three firefighters convicted of breaking and entering as well as one Policeman in the last six years.These people are just like any other part of the public,a certain percentage are crooks.Giveing access to your home to these people is inviteing them in.One more problem will arise from this,they will not be charged with breaking and entering as long as a key is put out for them.
Report Post »desertdove
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:55pmI live in an apt complex where the managers have a master key and can do well checks etc: It has come to my understanding that even maintence has the keys also…Scarry it is due to if anything was to happen to me, they can come in and rip off the 1st thing that they want to steal..So I have had to inform all my closest neighbors that should anything like this accord please call my daughter A.S.A.P. to come and claim all my earthly possesions which I am giving to her and her family to have and do what they wish …Yes I have seen or heard stories in here about the management and maintence ripping folks off after they pass by illegal entrance when no one was contacted yet… Big Brother and theives too.
Report Post »ksdvm86
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:54pmGeez Iowa you are becoming more like CA everyday- when I moved my business I had to put in one of these outdoor lock boxes for the fire department-no choice- had to buy the one they wanted/approved- even when we are open 24 7- guess they thought in a fire emergency we would not let them in the building-common sense awry…..leave it to the bureaucrats to know what is best for us:)
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:07pmno choice ? if all the business didnt do it then the gesto law wouldnt fly …..just friiggin great …we all need to make a stand in our own lives ..it will never get better if you are supporting this with your actions ..really if whold blocks stops doing this ..what the heck are they going to do ? …
Report Post »hi
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:54pm..just as TSA agents are allowed to molest citizens “for our safety.”
Report Post »LARR
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:53pmSo a $40-50K apaprtment unit is on fire and we need to do this to make sure we don’t damage a $150 door? Hmmm?
Report Post »workinghard
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:52pmIf my business is on fire I give the fire department permission to break a window! I use these lock boxes for employees so I don’t have to pass keys out to everybody. Thieves managed to get the lock box off, saw it in half, take the key and walk into the store without all of the noise of breaking the window. Probably took the lock box back to their garage and saw it open without causing much distraction at all.
Report Post »ofallon
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:52pmIt’s just an excuse to access personal property. Let the people speak.
Report Post »varnell99
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:52pm“It’s not the job of the mayor or the council to judge the merit of an issue, it’s the job of the people. It’s the job of the council and the mayor to listen to the people,” said Travis Biggs.
No where does is say that the mayor, city council, county council, state senate, state house, federal senate, federal house or the president must listen or do what the constituents want, desire or needs.
Report Post »65Mustang
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:51pmOne more nail in the coffin called freedom!!
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:50pmThis is a city ordinance which can be easily defeated as it stands against the constitution. The government having the keys to your home by force is the same as them having the authority to enter you home at any time. I think they need a warrant for that to occur.
If the fire department wants access during a fire, is it really going to grab a mob of keys and start attempting to find out which door they belong to? Do you know how long that will take? it will take less time to simply break down the door with a ramming tool. This sounds as if the fire department is being used as an excuse for other purposes.
Residents band together and hire a lawyer and sue the city and remove this ordinance.
Report Post »ED4237
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:49pmThe government looking for more power and control in the name of saftey. Why are they always telling us we need to give up rights for saftey or security who are they protecting with this? There is a fire than bust the door down is that not why the firefighter are taught how to bust down a door for in training? Will this only be for the fire department or will now the police be able to come on in when they want? They will just lie and say they smell pot and get away with it.
Report Post »Netsurfer2
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:49pmThe government has no business telling you what you can do with your personal property! I am totally against this! We need to expand our rights as citizens of the United States to protect what we lawfully worked for all of our lives.
Report Post »LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:48pmGov’t seems to have too much time on there hands .. so they just make stuff up
Report Post »tsosumi
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:47pmwhat is odd is that most large apartment complexes have lock boxes for post office delivery. the important thing is to minimize damage. Should the property holder be liable for the fire department breaking a door? Most would sue the fire department. Which means we should have tort reform. But that is a bit off topic, although related to this issue.
Report Post »trappedinwv
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:55pmThat would be a valid argument JMI, but in most cases of emergency that require the fire department to enter a building they are making holes everywhere anyways.
As another person said, they have a master key called a fire ax and everyone will know when they use it.
Report Post »J.C. McGlynn
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:56pmYou have the key to the postal lock box, no one else is supposed to have access. Destroying the box with your apartment key makes breaking and entering alot easier. If that happened, I would hold the council directly responsible.
Report Post »Macrobat
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:46pmI would give them a key, then change my locks
Report Post »oldasdirt
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:46pmI thought fire fighters allready had keys..It’s called a fire ax.
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:50pmLOL….that was my first thought too.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:52pmI did too OLASDIRT .. what’s the matter to “dangerous” for them now? Might hurt themselves? Can’t handle an ax?
How did we ever get along with “big brother” government? Answer — VERY WELL THANK YOU!
TEA!
Report Post »ofallon
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:53pmAmen. Bingo.
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:46pmThey may also request your PIN codes to all your accounts…just to make sure you’re financially sound.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:53pmI love this one LOL
Report Post »2010GOP
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:59pmThey don’t need you PIN number to access your accounts. All they need is tax cheat Geitner and his software guru to look at your bank, I hear he has connections at I R s as well….
Report Post »PER100
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:26pmthey dont need them. they have access already.
Report Post »MASST
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:30pmWhen they passed financial reform (Dodd-Frank) the Gov. can look at your acct. any time they want. They already have access. Dodd-Frank must be repealed, good luck on that!
Report Post »nomercy63
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:43pmYes it always seems they do this to protect us doesn’t it! I would simply tell them hell no you come through my front door I am shooting!!!!!!
Report Post »dthompson579
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:48pmYou are so right! Anyone coming through my front door without my permission is getting a lead enema!
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:00pmCan you say Indiana ?
Report Post »axel@25
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:00pmGive them “a key” for the lockbox…then change your locks. If they ever find out, it will go to prove that someone was using the keys for an illegal purpose (unless your home is in flames).
Silly us…we thought that the recent “changes” allowing the FBI to sort through your trash only meant the trash outside your home!! At this rate it won’t be long before cops start ransacking homes because they thought they smelled donuts….but, at least they won’t need to break down the door so you know they were in your house (ladies …hide your underwear..J. Edgar Hoover’s ghost has returned).
Seriously, it may be past the time to place tiny, hidden security cameras near the entrances of your homes to record any “fact finding, evidence placing,“ visits to your home by your local ”protectors”
Report Post »PER100
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:28pmsomebody is leaving feet first if they come to my house with out my requet or a judge signed court order.
Report Post »Drum Man
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:42pmWatch out, next they will want keys to your house, in the name of “Public Saftey”. Watch the other hand!
Report Post »rpp
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:48pm“Public safety” is the excuse for more ills and intrusions tha a person can shake a stick at. I pray that the Lord will protect us from well-meaning idiots.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:49pmThey don’t have axes anymore? This is totally just to gain access to people and private property at any time ….. I would move out/away before I would do this!
TEA!
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:49pmHell noooooooo .
Report Post »USPS has that system but only to get access to mail boxes & not inside a residence + firefighters will break anything in their way to get to a fire .
Also what makes it so sure that also thieves won’t have access to that magic key ?
hauschild
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:49pmAh… Iowa. Another example of a state made of leaders that had their heads on straight. Wisconsin, Iowa….how the mighty have fallen.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:53pmNo fireman is going to grab a wad-o-keys and attempt to match them to doors during a fire, that’s absurd. Hey here is an idea. They said they wanted keys to your lock right? Well give them one. just make sure you either have more than one lock or that you change the lock immediately after issuing them a key. Problem solved
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:55pmThey’re here from the government and to help us, now give them spare keys to your car in case they are chasing a criminal having the key will make commandeering your vehicle easier, also the pin numbers to your bank account so they can make sure your money is safe, as well as pictures of yourself naked in case they should ever just find a torso in the woods it will make it easier to identify if the body is you or someone else. This is for your own good. These are elected officials folks they know better than you.
Report Post »NJTMATO
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:57pmSeems I’ve been saying and thinking “watch the other hand” far more frequently lately. Hope I can keep the left separate from the right once the SHTF :-)
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:57pmI can understand the lockboxes for Public buildings…that would fall under the governments province.
I can understand the lockboxes for private properties geared to senior citizens, mentally disabled adults, children (nursing homes, retirement apartments, assisted living, orphanages (probably not the current pc term, but..) etc.
But private property buildings for the general public…not so much. In theory it sounds like a good idea – faster entrance, possibly save more lives etc. But I think its sets a precedent for more & more intrusion of privacy by government agencies.
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:58pmokay …the question is would they allow the ” box’ or key on their building or house ? ….do not allow it citizens of Cedar Falls, IA !!!!! It is now up to the Citizen of Cedar Rapids !!!! Resist this ..please !!!
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:00pmCity Councils are becoming the American Stasi. No doubt this is part of Agenda 21.
Report Post »101
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:05pmFile a tooth off the key and give it to them.
Report Post »Sound The Trumpet In Zion
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:17pm@DRUM MAN
Report Post »“Watch out, next they will want keys to your house, in the name of “Public Saftey”. Watch the other hand!”
Actually what they are going to do next is force everyone to give up the keys or the combination to their safes in the name of “Public Safety” After all the firefighter that have basically uncontrolled access to your house also need to make sure that they can get into your safe.
“they will save time and also property (i.e. the fire dept. won’t have to break down a door to get into a house).” See they show here also that it will save the firefighters time and also property (i.e.) the fire dept. won’t have to break through a safe door to get into the safe).
Ebbertron
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:17pmwhats to stop you from changing your locks?
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:22pmHouse on Fire… The door won’t matter. Break it down… I’ll keep my key or put a dummy key in the box.
Report Post »Bloody Sam
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:23pm“…i.e. the fire dept. won’t have to break down a door to get into a house.”
When the hell was THAT ever a problem? The damned thing is gonna burn anyway so why not break it down and save time?
Report Post »Or is that the exclusive domain of the Jackbooted thugs of Law Enforcment and the BATFE?
cessna152
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:26pmHere are the keys to my car as well? The keys and location of my safe as well? Here is my “PIN” number for my bank account… for my safety of course. When the F—- will this stop? We have given too much power to the government… time to return the power where it belongs, the people with honest, accountable representatives!
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:26pmSo, give them the key and change the locks.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:27pmOne thing I have noticed is fewer libs/Marxists posts. Did something shift in their favor that they do not feel the need to post?
Report Post »TexasVetran
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:32pmI think what they’re referring to is a Knox Box which is one key that allows access to multiple businesses and apartment exterior gates. Insert key, turn, gate opens, go in, save a life. It doesnt give access to your front door. We use them on our ambulances and its like launching a Trident missle to get access to the thing. We each have a ID number that gets entered into the key box which registers who retrieved the key and how long it was gone. It does in fact cut down on emergency services responses to potentially life threatening situations. A regular house or even apartment door is easily defeated with tools we have on our trucks, no need for me to put your house key on my key ring “just in case”.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:35pmIf someone was coming to save me, I don’t want them messing with the keys trying to get in. Just bust down the damn door, I’m dying here.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:35pmEblaze44
Good advise. Or just give them the key to your “mother-in-laws”….
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:38pmTexasVetran
I am sure you know how this works. All laws (for your safety) can be good… until corrupt people take over. Which WILL happen. I could post my home security system code to a panel of 10 honest people but once that panel turns corrupt, guess who is getting robbed. The main point here is let the businesses decide DON’T FORCE them!
Report Post »verityquest
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:40pmYou get my keys when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers. Not just no, but H E L L NO!
And let’s be perfectly clear: NO!
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:50pmsorry…. that last post should read: ….I can understand the lockboxes for PUBLIC operated properties geared to senior citizens….
again, falls under the province of the government and they get to regulate it.
My personal belief is: Firemen should break down doors, break thru windows – its faster.
Personal experience: years ago my grandparents house caught fire. Burned so fast….Entire garage and front of house in flames before anyone knew it. Fireman arrived…the next door neighbor (she called it in) was standing at the curb, 10 feet away, with the key & told them she had it. They didn’t even stop ….. Front door was locked – fireman busted it down. 8 firemen swarmed thru that broken door. They found me (age 13) trying to lead 4 elderly family members thru the smoke to a back door. Fireman grabbed each of us – literally carrying us to and out that backdoor. Less than 1 min after they got us out, the car in the garage blew up – taking the front of the house with it. Had they stopped to get the key, taken the time to unlock both the door lock & the deadbolt – we could have died. We were in the front of the house.
If there is a fire in my home, I want them to break down my door.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:04pm.
“We’re the government, you can trust us.”
Next week, the cops will be opening your door for “a look around.”
“If you haven’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?”
Then, the TSA will pay you a visit, then the IRS. “We just wanted to see your home office in use.”
“Hey, there’s a pile of cash here, we’re confiscating it. It may be drug money.”
Why do you think I HAVE locks? To keep people out that I don’t know and trust.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:06pmFire departments have a “universal” key. It is a tool used to force a door open in an emergency. My son was a volunteer fireman and used one to open the band room door when the school would not unlock it for him to get his Bach trumpet to play in church on Easter Sunday.
(Then the school sent me a bill for a deadbolt lock and would not let my son GRADUATE unless I paid it! I wrote the check, watched him receive his diploma, and went straight to the bank to stop payment! The door did not have a deadbolt, so how could he have damaged it?)
This is overreaching by the government, and I hope they put it on the ballot there.
Report Post »ReviveOurNation
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:11pmWhat will the Council say when the first stolen key is used for a theft, a rape, or a murder? Glenn was right. I do not recognize my country anymore.
Report Post »JoeSchueller
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:13pmTHIS IS CRAZY! I live in Dubuque, IA, and I am finding that these Big Brother types are becoming much more common in Iowa’s local government institutions. This is such a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment. The citizens of Cedar Falls ought to file suit against the Council and take it all the way to the Iowa Supreme Court if need be. Madness.
Report Post »1stAmendment
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:34pmIf You Won’t Defend Your Rights,
Report Post »Don’t Complain When You Lose Them!
(never knew firefighter have a problem breaching doors)!
avenger
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:35pmthis is totally ridiculous and unacceptable.the fire fighters use the universal key,a fkng ax ! these people are eating too much corn and drinking ethanol !
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:47pmSo give them a key, to your outhouse basement !
Report Post »kNOwKINGsmen
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:16pmThis is common practice in ALOT of cities. Its not residential. STAY FOCUSED!
Report Post »lee.siegrist
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:19pmThe people of the community need to begin recall proceedings on every councilman to vote in favor of this ugly nonsence.
Report Post »Buck Bagaw
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:24pmThey do it one effing baby step at a time. It is your choice and your responsibility when it comes to personal property and personal safety. These pettyass local officials think they are in control of the citizenry and can absolutely NOT be trusted. Toss these bastards out and replace them with Americans such as those who stood against this tyranny.
Report Post »Whitey4West
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:29pmI’m thinking that the dude speaking at the 1:00, 2:20, etc mark is NOT from Iowa or the U.S.
just sayin…………
Report Post »Junter
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:29pmNot to mention keys to your cars.
How easy would it be for a thief to locate a lock box and obtain door keys to every apartment in a complex? Lockboxes are not that secure, I had to break into my own when it became jammed on a home I was selling.
Report Post »TexasVetran
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:44pmCESSNA152,
I do agree that businesses/residents should retain the right to CHOOSE whether or not to participiate and should not be regulated by government. Our program isnt mandated as far as I know…for now. Its scary what rights are attempted to be infringed upon in the name of security/safety! Personal responsibility is largely lacking in our country.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:57pmThe city council need to live in a locked box.
Report Post »VegasGuy
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:45pmThe audacity of politicians knows no bounds. Apparently they never heard Ben Franklin’s quote, “He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.”
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:48pmDude where’s my keys?
Report Post »BREAKING NEWS
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 6:10pmlet’s go to the source: http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/alert-livable-communities-act.html
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 6:51pmStasi.
Report Post »jds7171
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 8:43pmThe idiots will still elect them back to their positions.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on June 15, 2011 at 8:52amThe solution is simple.
No.
And when they try to force you to, shoot.
I swear that’s the only way, unless you wish to be hauled off to the FEMA camp, or martyred like Christ ( which may happen whether we like it or not).
Report Post »00Buck00
Posted on June 15, 2011 at 9:23amI’m a firefighter and most businesses have a knox box. I believe it should be optional but 50% of the time it is not a ripping fire that we get called out to and we get called out usually late at night when no one is there. I work in a city where we run both medical and fire calls and we are very busy so we can’t wait around for someone to show up. We have to be available for a real call like a heart attack, fire, or accident. We have no problem taking out a door or window but most people complain asking why so much damage was done just to find out there was no fire.
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