Iranian Newspaper Calls for Retaliation Against Israel Over Assassination of Nuclear Scientist
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
TEHRAN, Iran (The Blaze/AP) — A hard-line Iranian newspaper called Thursday for retaliation against Israel, a day after the mysterious killing of a nuclear scientist in Tehran with a magnetic bomb attached to his car.
Provocative hints from Israel reinforced the perception that the killing was part of an organized and clandestine campaign to set back Iran’s nuclear ambitions, which the U.S. and its allies suspect are aimed at producing weapons. Iran says the program is for peaceful purposes only.
Reuters has more:
The Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, which has failed to persuade the West that its quest for nuclear power has no hidden military goal, said the killing of Ahmadi-Roshan would not deter it: “We will continue our path without any doubt … Our path is irreversible,” it said in a statement carried on television.
“The heinous acts of America and the criminal Zionist regime will not disrupt our glorious path … The more you kill us, the more our nation will awake.”
A column in the Kayhan newspaper by chief editor Hossein Shariatmadari asked why Iran did not retaliate. “Assassinations of Israeli military and officials are easily possible,” he wrote.
The attack — which instantly killed the scientist and his driver on Wednesday — was at least the fourth targeted hit against a member of Iran’s nuclear brain trust in two years. Tehran quickly blamed Israeli-linked agents backed by the U.S. and Britain.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton denied any U.S. role in the slaying, and the Obama administration condemned the attack. Watch her address the incident, below:
However, the day before the attack, Israeli military chief Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz was quoted as telling a parliamentary panel that 2012 would be a “critical year” for Iran — in part because of “things that happen to it unnaturally.”
The blast killed Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a chemistry expert and a director of the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, the centerpiece of Iran’s expanding program to make nuclear fuel. Roshan, 32, had planned to attend a memorial later that day for another nuclear researcher who was killed in a similar pinpoint blast two years ago, Iranian media said.
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Comments (142)
JRE
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:11pmOK jerk, we get it. You think Israel is evil.
Report Post »Fine, your opinion. Now move on, we are smart enough to figure out your opinion after the first twelve posts bashing Israel.
As far as Iran is concerned, in my opinion (which by the way is worth as much as the jerks) Iran is and has been a major problem in the middle east since the 80′s.
The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:23pmThe difference, I have produced evidence to back my opinions. You have not. Belief without evidence is faith, and in extreme cases, radical fundamentalism. This is the practice of far too many.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:18pm@Jerk.
Report Post »Job openings all over the sunny mid east of late for drivers and scooter fixers. Pays well man. Good bennies and your own goat, no sharing options adn fallafel for life.
Hollywood
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:24pmI will go with God as per Genesis Ch12 Verse 3.The jerk can go with whatever.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:37pmHollywood, perhaps you should read the New Testament, John chapter 8. If the Old Testament was the word, there would have been no need for a New.
Report Post »Wishkah
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 2:03pm@the jerk… at least the name you picked for yourself is apt. well done.
Report Post »THINKforYOURSELFER
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 2:11pmWrong. The Old Testament is just as much the word of God as the New Testament. Both are necessarily because one tells the story of man when sacrifices were necessary to atone for sin, the New Testament speaks of mans relationship after Christ presented himself as THE sacrifice.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 5:09pm@THINKforYOURSELFER Thanks for the insight but the average Christian is very much aware of what the bible is and what it says. And as a much wiser man than me said…..those who actually listen and study in the seminary become atheists. As far as the situation at hand. The murder of the Iranian scientists if done by Israel or the US either directly or indirectly is of course an act of war. Which of course means the very act is in violation of the constitution. This is where Ron Paul has it so very right. Americans expect Iran and similar countries to act as a colony and not react to our warships and military bases that are no more than 50 miles from their borders. What would the group here recommend if Iran placed warships 50 miles off our coast and a base in Cuba?. Aggressive actions cause aggressive responses. It is infinitely rational for Iran to feel a need to acquire a nuke and thus to pursue its development. The current situation has nothing to do with the bible and has everything to do with the actions of individuals and their countries today. There is and has never been a good reason for the US to spend almost equal to the rest of the world combined on weapons. But of course the word is defense. How laughable it is that we spend more in one day on the military than Iraq and the Taliban do in a year. But it takes us 9 years to “defeat” them. And some deep thinking individuals actually believe we should have stayed in Iraq longer.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 5:56pm@JRook – I graduated fm seminary back in 1982 w/a B+ avg and my faith has never been stronger. I am working on a PhD in Biblical Studies for the joy of it.
The Bible is God’s Love Letter to us — both OT and NT. The Rabbis are right about that.
Report Post »THINKforYOURSELFER
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:16pmJRook- My comment about the Old and New Testament was in response to Jerk’s comment about the Old Testament not being part of the word. Not necessarily making reference to this story.
Report Post »goldmind
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:07pmFor arguments sake, let’s conclude Jews, are the at the top of the terrorism chain. Given their history, and the ways they have been targeted on countless fronts, they deserve to be on top of the terror game. They are surrounded by bully countries, that can’t even get along with their own people, let alone the Jews. Iran, has proven to be one of the most devious countries in the region. Iran,like China, has an army that eats, sleeps and drinks suicide missions. For some odd reason, Iranians hate life and the pursuit of happiness. Seems to be a muslim thang. But keep in mind, historically, when the world has financial issues, war becomes a necessity. It balances populations, humbles overzealous leaders, creates jobs, provides new landscapes for building, fertilizes the earth with fresh blood and flesh, lasts longer then the Super Bowl and opens new doors for the exploration of peace. The drawback, we have a lot of shaky fingers on that nuclear trigger today. We have a lot of virgin/paradise seekers looking to get their hands on a nuclear trigger. It’s pretty much open season, for the Dukes of Nukes. Perhaps, not an endgame, but definitely a whole new game of warfare in which few if any will be able to claim victory. Personally, I think peace, like love, is over rated. It’s not in the cards for the world we live in today, so expect the unexpected. You think financial meltdowns are bad, just wait for those first traces of radiation to creep into your bloodstr
Report Post »goldmind
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:16pmBut also know, I am an avid supporter of Nature, and will continue to hope she delivers the final act of terror upon the planet. As a species, we just don’t deserve the title of caretakers, for such a magnificient planet. Too vain, selfish and unnatural. I know dogs, with more finesse than humans.
Report Post »Who are you rootin for?
The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:21pmHistorically speaking, name a place where Jews have not been expelled or restrained by the host nation to which they have emigrated. From Abraham forward, Jews have fought with everybody, from Africa, to Asia, to Europe, to the Middle East… all very different cultures, and throughout many generations in those very different cultures. Who’s the problem?
Report Post »If a child were expelled from school after school, in district after district, in state after state, is the problem with the schools or with the child’s behavior? Who’s the victim? The child, or the schools?
Commonsense gives us the answer.
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/expulsions.html
tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:01pm@Jerk
Report Post »You are not the first to use this parable. Your fallacy is that you assume people act fairly and rationally. Let‘s take your school example and let’s make the student black in a society that discriminates against blacks. Is it the student’s fault or are the schools just prejudiced against him. Let’s take this a step further though. Now let‘s suppose this kid finds a school that doesn’t discriminate. After being at the school for some time, someone notices his expulsion record and decides “well if they all expelled him they must have had reason” and this school then expels him as well. Is it still the child’s fault?
The truth is in every society that ever persecuted the Jews, the Jews were a minority that no one was willing to stand up for. So when they needed someone to blame for troubled times, the rulers blamed the Jews because they were easy targets. Or do you still believe the Jews called the Black Plague and murdered Christian boys in ritual sacrifices?
You have intentionally looked only at the events without looking at the whole picture to see what caused those events. The Jews are only one example of a minority being attacked simply for being a minority. Ever hear of the Armenians, Darfur, Rwanda? What about the Kurds in Iraq? It happens all the time but you are too blind to see it. History isn’t bullet-points on a timeline, it’s a continuous series of events, with cause and effect, right and wrong, life and death, all woven together.
tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:03pm@Jerk
Report Post »Are you Smackdown in disguise by any chance?
The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:32pmTZion, all of your other examples are parochial. Not so with the Jews. Even avowed historical enemies came to the same conclusions. Look at the MS St Louis.
‘Thirty eight countries met at Evian, France to discuss the treatment of the Jews in Germany, but no real help was offered, to the delight of the German government, who was amused that while the world criticized their treatment of Jews, nobody was offering the Jews a place to go to… ”
http://library.thinkquest.org/12663/summary/1933frame.html
Listen, I understand the frustration at hearing these questions… for years I was a staunch defender of Israel… but, then I began to travel around the globe, and many of my beliefs were dashed. I then took it upon myself to study the issue, and like Galileo, my conclusions, based now on reality, flowed against conventional wisdom.
Like Galileo’s, these conclusions are heresy in America, not because they are baseless, but rather because of a lack of discussion and debate… and the control of that debate with the weapon of antisemitism.
No other ethnicity has this protection, though here in America, blacks are close, with the use of racism. That being true, it must be said that the NAACP was founded and funded by Jews, and it had a Jewish president for the first 70 years, Spingarn. Its legal arm remains predominately Jewish.
In short, I believe in debate. I think that there are no heresies. Speak the truth and let the cards fall.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:50pmBetter link: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Evian1.html
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 2:23pm@Jerk
I know all about the Evian conference. In fact, hearing about that is one thing that lead me to discover the true answer to the question “How did G-d let the Holocaust happen?” The truth is the world could have prevented the Holocaust, it could have taken action to slow down the exterminations by bombing the tracks to Auschwitz, they could have accepted refugees etc. But they didn’t. You see this as somehow being the fault of the Jews. The truth of the matter is G-d didn’t let the Holocaust happen, people did. People who could have stopped it did nothing. People who could have helped closed their doors. Why? Because it was the Jews; a small insignificant group that no one cared about. They were a minority with no country or recognized established body to represent their interests. How is that different than any other instance of a majority population either persecuting or ignoring the plight of a minority group in human history?
Why did Herzl form the first Zionist Congress? Do you know? He was inspired to action after the Dreyfus affair, in which a Jew was falsely accused of treason and yet the country of France was calling for his blood. During his trial, antisemitism, not just against Dreyfus but all French Jews, came to the surface in a country that claimed to be fair and just. Herzl saw this and was shocked. He did his own research and discovered that Jews were the only ethnic group that lacked any sort of homeland and existed only in exile. The birth of Zi
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 3:30pmI guess the JERK is a jerk. Certainly understands neither Old nor New Testament. Jews happen to be God’s Chosen people. The fact that they rejected His Son does not change that. The Jews rebelled against God quite regularly in the Old Testament and were punished regularly, many times quite severely. When they turned Jesus over to Pilate, they said let His blood be upon us and upon our children. Much have the Jews suffered, not so much that they insisted that Christ be crucified, for that was ordained from the foundation of the earth, but because they cursed themselves out of their own mouths, but their will be a return to the One, Jesus, who died for them as well as the gentile. The hour glass is near empty. There are but few grains left.
Report Post »Liberalismsamentaldisorder
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:23am“The heinous acts of America and the criminal Zionist regime
The story says they might retaliate against Israel…..Why is it a heinous act committed by America? Face it, Americans don’t, as a rule, hate Muslims. But, as a rule, Muslims hate America. The sooner we wake up to this reality, the sooner we can plan effectively for the future. The liberal touchy=feely view of the world has done more harm that any recent war by perpetuating the cold tensions.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:34amView this short video so that you don’t make the same mistake, misstatements, again:
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy3KDYE5KQE
Locked
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:41am“The story says they might retaliate against Israel…..Why is it a heinous act committed by America? Face it, Americans don’t, as a rule, hate Muslims. But, as a rule, Muslims hate America. ”
Blowback. America has, for decades, supported, trained, provided aid to, and defended Israel and its actions. We’ve given them weapons, training, and guns. When their air force bombs a reactor in a foreign country, they use jets purchased from the US. When news of their nuclear arms surfaces, it’s clear that they were built with US knowledge. When they watch TV, they see US troops in Middle Eastern countries, killing the people. They don’t hear “today, US troops attacked a village of Taliban rebels,“ they hear ”US airstrikes killed 30 villagers suspected to be harboring Taliban fighters.”
They hate America not for our freedoms or our culture. They hate us because they see us as invaders and oppressors. And before 9/11, it was primarily due to our visible support of Israel as it committed crimes like those in this article. That support continues today, and I truly cannot understand how anyone can go “Car bombs are great! Go Israel!“ and then scratch their head and wonder ”Why do they hate us?”
Report Post »goldmind
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:42pmA true, but delusional clip, Jerk. It reinforces my point below. Power is an absolute corrupter, and it’s far too late in the game for any reconciliation. Mindsets usually stay set. And with the Islamic religion riddled with multiple personality conflicts (much like Christian factions), a favorable outcome is impossible. Let us bow our heads in shame for bleeding the resources of, Mother Earth instead.
Report Post »We all share the guilt on that front. The catholics, have a phoney ritual about confessing ones sins to another sinner. It is time to confess our sins to the Mother who has given so much, only to be recklessly abused and disregarded. Nino or Nina, we can only, hope has the final say. In the meantime, enjoy the dialogues, arguments and contempt for each other. Feed the anger. Above all, kill the enemies here and abroad. Even urinate on them, if you must. Someone should come out with a book…I’m Okay, You’re Not Okay.
riseandshine
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:07amMossad is good at blowing things up, whether it’s a car……..or buses.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:33amI had the song “another one bites the dust” in my head all day yesturday when the news came out. way to go!
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:00amI see the mossad has been visiting Iran. It seems the visit was rewarding.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:11amIt was if you support terrorism. Remember that when you do support terrorism, that you have no justification to condemn others that also support terrorism… and 9/11 should come to mind.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:13amFar too many thats in that last sentence, but that being said, that was my point. Sorry.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:39am@ the JERK, u should get a room with Jerimah Wright ( wrong ) and preach to the idiots.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:50amWhy? I’m already doing that with you! Thanks.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:02pmHooray for the Mossad!
Report Post »Hrothgar
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:54amBoth these countries are goons, screw em.
Report Post »B-Neil
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:53amIrans Government has it wrong. 92LB weeklings do not make credible Bullys. So lets kicksome sand in there face. They have a need to cry. CARRY ON McDUFF
Report Post »THINKforYOURSELFER
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:47amJerk- You can call Israel a thug or terroristic nation all you want, but the reason for their actions is because they are provoked daily and surrounded by nations that threaten them. Maybe if they didnt feel the need to act this wouldnt be so abundant.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:54amWhen Israel has attacked all of its neighbors, many of them multiple times, and Iran has not attacked any of its neighbors in 250 years, Iran is not the problem. Now, I understand that these provable facts flow contrary to your radical fundamentalist beliefs, but that does not make them any less true.
Report Post »Your flawed logic and your conclusions based in belief is the real problem.
Locked
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:55amWhile not directed at me, I find your views short-sighted.
“…the reason for their actions is because they are provoked daily and surrounded by nations that threaten them.”
I can be provoked daily by liberals claiming I want old folks to die, or to strip away a woman’s right to her body. I can be provoked daily by fanatical atheists who see any reference to God as an assault on their “free-thinking.” I can be provoked daily by a government that has been rolling back my rights and freedoms for decades, no matter what political party is in control.
Provocation provides a reason for hostile action, but not a justification nor an excuse. If you lash out, you’re the one who went from provocation to violence; you are the one in the wrong.
“Maybe if they didnt feel the need to act this wouldnt be so abundant.”
Again, such a reason is not justification. If China killed a US scientist working on a project for our government, would you say “Well, we shouldn’t have been flaunting our new technology in their faces”? If a car bomb went off in a US city, killing a scientist and his driver, would we say “Meh, he had it coming. Shouldn’t have worked for the government”? No. We would we call it what it is: terrorism.
Report Post »THINKforYOURSELFER
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:00amAhhhh yes, the “peaceful” nation of Iran. What was I thinking …
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:03amTHINKforYOURSELFER, that’s my point… you weren’t.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:05amReally Jerk, what about the Iran-Iraq war in 1980. That’s well within 250 years. And before you say Iraq attacked first, let me say that in the vast majority of Israel’s wars Israel has responded to hostilities waged against it. Speak the truth or be silent. Lies have no place on a site devoted to truth. You have been caught speaking blatant lies.
Report Post »THINKforYOURSELFER
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:11amLocked- Every instnace you just cited for being “provoked” was a thought or opinion. When I say Israel is provoked Im referring to suicide bombers, shootings and threats or nuclear destruction. Thats on a slightly different level my friend. “Provoke” me a tongue lashing is one thing, pull a gun on me and threaten me is a whole different animal. Id be an idiot not to respond with force.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:20amTZion, again you prove yourself to be false, and then defend your position for being false.
Iran did not attack Iraq. That’s the simple fact… end of story. Iran has not attacked any of its neighbors in 250 years. Fact, end of story.
Israel has attacked many of its neighbors. Fact, end of story. The rest is no more than you rationalizing why Israel attacked its neighbors, and why Israel is a belligerent nation, and why Israel engages in terrorism as it cries when others do the same.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:21am@Thinkforyourself
“Locked- Every instnace you just cited for being “provoked” was a thought or opinion. When I say Israel is provoked Im referring to suicide bombers, shootings and threats or nuclear destruction. Thats on a slightly different level my friend. “Provoke” me a tongue lashing is one thing, pull a gun on me and threaten me is a whole different animal. Id be an idiot not to respond with force.”
First, I disagree with you saying these are just thoughts or opinions; and the idea that losing freedom is somehow preferable to pain (doesn’t NH, the site of our most recent primary, have the motto “Live free or die”?). But beyond that, this scientist was not the one making these remarks. His driver was not the one making these remarks. The government was; Ahmadinejad was. And even then, that‘s what they’ve been: words, opinions, and thoughts.
Iran doesn’t have a gun pulled in this case; heck, if we’re referring to nuclear weapons as “guns” in your example, Israel is the only one armed and ready to fire, while Iran is just trying to build a gun in the first place while Israel keeps cutting off fingers. If any other country in the ME pulls out car-bombs, we rightly call it terrorism. When Israel does it, most people here shrug and go “Good for them.”
Terrorism is terrorism. The US needs to stop being seen as Israel‘s bedmate and let them deal with the blowback of their own choices if they’re going to pull stunts like this.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:24amPlease begin to THINKforYOURSELFER.
Report Post »Israel has not been threatened with nukes. This is a fact. Your accusation is a lie. Israel is the only nation in the Middle east with nukes. That is a fact. And, that fact, along with the fact that Israel is the most belligerent nation in the Middle East, is why those other nations had better get nukes too.
Locked
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:29am@The_Jerk
“Israel has attacked many of its neighbors. Fact, end of story. The rest is no more than you rationalizing why Israel attacked its neighbors, and why Israel is a belligerent nation, and why Israel engages in terrorism as it cries when others do the same.”
While it’s true Israel has attacked many of its neighbors, many of the neighbors have attacked it. I completely agree Israel has the right to defend itself, and I would go a step further and say it -should- defend itself. And goodness knows it has the means to do so, largely thanks to US aid, equipment, and training.
But the point that I think we both would agree upon is that setting car bombs against civilians in foreign countries is a far cry from “defending oneself.” By doing so, Israel is no better than the other countries who would do the same. Such a country does not deserve our material support; and Israel honestly doesn’t need it. With their nuclear arms, any country in the Middle East knows that it’s GAME OVER if they provoke an open war.
I support Israel over many other ME countries, but never for a second do I pretend that their hands are clean. They carry out actions that by anyone else would be called terrorism. The US should not be standing there when they bring the blowback of their actions upon themselves.
Report Post »pfscribe
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:36amI think you have the aggessor and the aggressee mixed up.
Report Post »http://thestalwartenterprise.com/category/perspective/
The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:49amLocked, it is a fact that Israel has attacked many of its neighbors. This fact stands alone. By itself, it is true.
Reasons given for those attacks are excuses, and every despot in history has/had a reason, excuse, for the acts taken. I am speaking of preemptive attacks based on supposition, perception, and guess.
You can stand with Israel, but when you do, you stand with a nation that is a proven aggressor; a nation with nukes; a nation who desires to stay the bully, by denying others the same rights that it grants to itself… the behavior of a sociopath.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:55am@Jerk
Report Post »Did you read my post? You allow for Iran to act in self-defense but not Israel. Israel was attacked in 48, attacked in 73, attacked by Hezbollah in 07, and as for 67, was Israel supposed to sit tight while all its neighbors were uniting their armed forces under a single command? Iran was attacked in 80, as I stated, and Israel has also defended itself, which you deny as being reason to respond. If Israel hadn’t fought back in 1973 they would have wiped out. If they hadn’t attacked first in 1967, they would have been attacked. Why is it okay for Iran to defend itself and not Israel? You have clear double standards.
The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:57amPFScribe. No, I’ve got it correct: http://www.wnd.com/2003/10/21566/
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:09pmTZion, this is the problem: “@Jerk Did you read my post? You allow for Iran to act in self-defense but not Israel.”
Yes, of course I’ve read your post. And, all that I did say is that Iran deserves the same rights as Israel. Iran should have nukes, if Israel has nukes. It is Israel that is the bully, not Iran. Israel wants to deny Iran the right to have nukes. Israel is killing innocent civilians, terrorizing Iran, to achieve its goal. When others do the same to Israel, in order to achieve their goals, Israel cries foul, rolls on the ground kicking and screaming, and claims to be a victim.
Report Post »You have twisted my statement, in order to create the straw-man required for you to make an invalid response to that statement.
tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:28pmApples and oranges Jerk.
Report Post »Assassinating nuclear scientists working for a regime that can’t be trusted with nukes is not the same as blowing up a restaurant with the intent of killing as many people as possible.
As a side point, Israel developed nukes on its own using its own scientists. Iran’s ability to make nukes is dependent on using foreign scientists and buying components from other countries. Iran hasn’t even advanced scientifically enough to know how to build nukes and yet you believe they should have them. Did Iran build those centrifuges or acquire them? Did they figure out how to enrich uranium or did someone tell them? Maybe, since America has unmanned drones, we should teach Iran to make those too. America has spy satellites, communication satellites, GPS etc. should we tell Iran how to make those too? There‘s a difference between a country discovering a new technology and receiving one they don’t fully understand. Why should I trust Iran with a weapon they couldn’t build themselves or even understand how it works? To Iran nukes are just a weapon of high yield and devastation. Sure Israel has nukes, but have they ever used them. Israel designs explosives to kill as few people as possible while Iran and its pawns seek to maximize civilian casualties. Why else built a nuke?
THINKforYOURSELFER
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 2:35pmIsrael may have the preverbial “gun” you speak of but they are keeping it locked up if you will. Iran is the one speaking about what they would do if they attained it. Secondly, you basically agreed with what I was saying whet you stated they have been attacked by many countries as well. I said they have been provoked, you say attacked. Would you not agree that an attack can be taken as being provoked?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 3:26pm@Thinkforyourself
“Iran is the one speaking about what they would do if they attained it.”
Uh. Israel has stated multiple times that they will attack Iran because of their nuclear program. Their vice premier in 2006 stated that Iran can be wiped off the map. Follow that up with multiple assassinations, and I daresay Israel isn’t talking or playing nice either.
“Secondly, you basically agreed with what I was saying whet you stated they have been attacked by many countries as well. I said they have been provoked, you say attacked. Would you not agree that an attack can be taken as being provoked?”
By “attacked,“ the most I can say is ”they gave support and funds to Hezbollah, which has attacked Israel.” It’s honestly the benefit of the doubt; Hezbollah is bad news. Other than that? Lots of rhetoric, not much action. But note: this isn‘t car bombing wasn’t due to funding Hezbollah. It was retaliation for developing a nuclear program, and a preemptive strike to slow or stop that development.
So, are threats alone sufficient for violence? If you think so, then wouldn’t Iran be the one playing nice here? After all, they’ve been a lot of talk and no action; Israel, on the other hand, threatened to destroy any nuclear program, and has now apparently murdered multiple Iranian scientists.
Report Post »vermindust
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:46amI have a shiny dollar coin that says this hit was carried out by homegrown revolutionaries from the University in Tehran. I’m not betting the dollar, James Buchanan just talks to me sometimes.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:01amI just got off the phone with Buchanan. I’ll take that bet.
Report Post »lynnissmart
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:34amIran is so devious that they probably killed one of their own so they could blame it on Israel……Also, Jerk – you really are one jerk, aren’t you jerkie?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:42amIsrael probably killed that innocent civilian, so that you would think that Iran did it, and that you would then not think that Israel really did it, when they actually did do it.
Does this give you any idea how foolish your post really is?
Report Post »THINKforYOURSELFER
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:54amA) probably? Thats pure speculation… B) For God’s sake he wasnt an “innocnet civilian” he was associated with developing technology that is used for a WMD, and the country trying to attain it jas clearly stated they want abolish Israel with it.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:06amIsrael and America have many scientists engaged in the same practice. Are you saying that it would be okay for other nations to target these people too, or are you really being a hypocrite?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:09amAnd please THINKforYOURSELFER, why don’t you think for yourself. My ‘probably’ was in response to Lynnissmart‘s ’probably.’ It was a play on his circuitous logic.
Report Post »THINKforYOURSELFER
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:20amOk so we have scientist involved in the same acts. Are we claiming we will annihilate another country with those capabilities?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:31amNo, we’ve already done it. Justifiably, but done it none the less. And, since we had it, the Soviet Union wanted it, as did Great Britain, France, Germany, … China… Israel… and now Iran.
Iran has that right, because its enemy, Israel, is provably the most aggressive and dangerous nation in the Middle East. Ask Iraq.
Report Post »briankraner
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:20amBravo Israel !!!!! Someone should have pissed on the corpses……
Report Post »briankraner
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:26amthe_ Jerk can suck me….piss on you !!!!!
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:28amGreat post!
Report Post »don young
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:06amIf it was the u.s.or israel we would be going after there leaders not the other people.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:12amIsrael has a long history of being a thug, terrorizing nation: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1258187.stm
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:26am@The_Jerk
You really live up to your username with anti-Semitic comments like yours.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:29amThose are not my words. Those are the facts that disprove your fundamentalist beliefs, that were written by someone other than me.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:59am@Jerk
Report Post »Read the opening of that article: …“that it believes poses a threat”. They target people who, if left alone, would likely kill many Israeli citizens. If the FBI uncovered a plot to attack civilian targets in NY and the only way to stop it was to kill those planning the attack, do you really think they would act any differently? Your own article provides the precise reason why Israel even uses assassinations to begin with.
vtech61
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:31amLet me get this right.
This isn’t the FIRST assassination of a VERY important
scientist in Iran’s arsenal of nuke scientists.
Yet somehow, ‘someone’ was able to walk up to the dudes car
and place a bomb on it? OK, sure.
Where’s the security for these so called high value scientists/targets?
Surely Iran’s secret police/security forces KNOW these guys are targets. RIGHT?
I mean come on, it’s not the first guy hit. RIGHT?
Surely the Iranian government would have ‘state of the art’
security apparatuses in place for theses guys ‘protection’, RIGHT?
Their families, their homes and surely their vehicles would be
guarded 24/7, by elite Iranian security details, RIGHT?.
Think about it a minute.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:48amWhat is your point?
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:28amMaybe the Dooms Day clock should be pushed up another minute after this “assassination”.
Report Post »Revotelution
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:09amIf your neighbor is building a bomb and told you his goal is to kill your entire family.
Report Post »And the police decide to sit back and do nothing, would you wait for the explosion?
Or fight to protect your family?
The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:29amWhen you have the bomb and you are the terrorist, can you really blame your neighbor?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:37amAs the “you” in this situation has enough bombs to level the entire neighborhood, and keeps killing your neighbors’ pets to scare them into inaction, I’m not sure “you” are such a good person in the first place. Granted, all your neighbors are likely just as bad.
Huh, this “you” could probably live in an US urban ghetto, now that I think of it.
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:38amPresident Tom and the Mullahs should sleep well at night. If we can see it, we can hit it, if we can hit it, we can kill it. The only variable in the equation is how large a weapon should be used. We can tailor the requirement from 5.56mm up to and including several megatons. And our ability to target is unsupassed in the world, we perfected precision markmanship a long time ago, ask the British. Yap all you want, Iran, when you have sufficiently irratated either us or the Israeli’s you will pay the proper price…….Just sayin’
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:58am@Jerk
Report Post »Even Ron Paul’s view is that Israel should be allowed to defend itself from Iran if necessary. Would you rather they launched air raids, a full fledged military assault, or a targeted assassination against a single individual? And don’t say this guy is an “innocent civilian”. He’s helping a evil dictator built a weapon of mass annihilation.
The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:00amBIGJAYINPA, are you an American or an Israeli?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:17amTZion, good morning. I would prefer an America that kept its nose out of other people’s business. I would prefer that America stop its support for a proven terrorist Jewish state. If Israel chooses to be the worlds thugocracy, so be it… but stop using American lives and American treasure to carry out that terrorism.
Report Post »Broncomaniac
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:31amAs usual, single minded anti-semites like the Jerk (how appropriate) missed the point. Israel has never threatened anyone with nuclear annihilation as has Iran. Repeatedly.In fact, they have never even publicly acknowledged that they have nuclear weapons. The Jerk falls squarely into the category of those who ignore history and are doomed to allow it to be repeated.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:49amBroncomaniac, you should know better, but it is understandable why you do not… omission is the Jewish populated media’s greatest weapon. Remember that these proofs and truths are not my words.
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101120132451AAyu5Ry
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column
Report Post »Tickdog
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:54amIsrael should shove a nuke up Ahmadinejad’s ass sideways.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:58amMore high school tripe.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:06amJERK, it’s in ur name, but a N bomb is okay with u. Idiot
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:19amIsrael, a proven Jewish terrorist state, has nukes, why shouldn’t its non-Jewish neighbors?
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:12am“Proven terrorist state”? Where’s the proof? The PLO is a proven terrorist group as are Hamas and Hezbollah (both of which are funded by Iran, the true terrorist state).
Report Post »hvy_gunner_0331
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:54am“A hard-line Iranian newspaper called Thursday for retaliation against Israel, a day after the mysterious killing of a nuclear scientist in Tehran with a magnetic bomb attached to his car.” And hardline Americans have been calling for the world to bring that rogue state to heel ever since its inception… Whose call will prevail?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:01amNot hardline Americans… brain dead, foolish, intruding, warmongering Americans.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:08amHey jerk; are you a friend/comrade of moochelle’s?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:31amStoic one, valid question. The answer is no. Now, are you a descendent from the Hitler youth program?
Report Post »ThePostman
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:54amHow would Americans feel if China assassinated one of our scientists? I do believe we would retaliate as well.
So why expect the Iranians to behave any differently than we do?
Report Post »loveoursoldiers
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:05amDo we know who killed the guy? How non Iranians be able to live there? They see to put any and all non-Iranians in jail.for spying. Something doesn’t add up here.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:35amLoveoursoldiers, there has been a string of these killings. It adds up. It adds up to Israel being a belligerent, terrorist nation. And, we are provably on the wrong side of history.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:18am@Jerk
Report Post »Define terrorism why don’t you? In my definition, terrorism is an act designed to caused mass hysteria and fear by targeting innocent civilians with the intent to scare people into submitting to your demands. Terrorism strikes at random, massacres dozens if not more at a time, and causes mass devastation. A targeted assassination against a nuclear scientist is different. It’s not random, the target isn’t just anybody, and he’s been targeted for a specific reason. Does the typical Iranian citizen have reason to fear Israel? No. Only those in power, who seek power and weapons to acquire that power with have anything to fear.
The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:39amTZion, perhaps you are not aware that this is not an isolated event by the terrorist Jewish state.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1258187.stm
Perhaps you are not aware that there has been a string of these terrorist acts, in Iran, over the past few years.
Perhaps you are unaware that there is no dead body number count in the definition of terrorism.
Now, if you truly do desire to know what terrorism really is, I suggest that you read the history of the Jewish terrorist groups, Irgun, Stern Gang, and Haganah… the vectors that carried modern terrorism into the Middle East.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:32am@Jerk
Report Post »You failed to address my point at all. My point was Israel targeted people that were directly threatening their population. The attack wasn’t to strike fear of terror, it was to get rid of someone who posed a threat. As for the Jewish Terrorists you spoke of, those groups ceased to exist 60 years and were never granted any level of recognition. By comparison, the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah, and now even Al Qaeda are given international recognition as either political parties or as legitimate governments.
loveoursoldiers
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:53amand our fearlesleader is hiding behins Hillary’s skirt. A‘normal’ POTUS would send out a severe warning to Iran. This pretender.. who is in bed with imadinnerjacket and agaist israel… say nothing.
Report Post »Interesting, he never shuts up when dissing America and Americans yet he is mute when danger is imminent.
Didn’t he take an oath to protect this country? or did he?
I still believe that oath ‘flub’ was staged so he could say he never promised America anything and be right.
and what’s weird is I thought this 3 years ago.. not just 3 years later after so many lies and deceptive doublespeak. This validates what I knew about him then was totally correct.
loveoursoldiers
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:03amand he is hiding behind another skirt.. Debbie Washerwoman Shultz ….who is telling lie after lie on his behalf. I guess they all think we are zombies like much of their base. But that’s OK because she does him more harm than good. She defines blabbermouth and is laughable at best.
Report Post »oh yea.. and another one… he sends his wife out to play the race card on his behalf and to call us ‘confused’
What a powerful commander!
This is the first time in my adult life………..
Locked
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:22am“Didn’t he take an oath to protect this country?”
Since when the heck is Israel the United States of America? In this case Obama was right to condemn this. If ANY country besides Israel was planting car bombs and assassinating foreign civilians, what would the word be for it? Terrorism!
If Israel did this (and the similar assassination 2 years ago), let them deal with the consequences. Wipe our hands free of our entanglements with Israel; they already have nukes. They don’t need our help. Make treaties, treat them as friends… but stop giving them money and US armaments. If Israel wants to use terrorist tactics, let them take the blowback!
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 2:28pm@Locked
Report Post »So was killing Bin Laden not an assassination? How is that different? America saw Bin Laden as an imminent threat and Israel sees a nuclear Iran as an imminent threat. Explain the difference.
Locked
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 4:56pm@TZION
Two reasons, Geneva Convention-related:
1. Bin Laden had already attacked the US through 9/11 and the WTC bombing in the 90s. He was a criminal aggressor known to both the attacking nation (the US), and the nation in which he was hiding (Pakistan). The same cannot be said for the scientist; he had not participated in an attack on Israel, he was not part of their military nor a criminal wanted by both nations, and he was not killed by military forces.
2. We were (are) engaged in an active war against terrorists, and Pakistan was our supposed ally. You could argue we trampled their trust, but Pakistan was responsible for helping us track and kill bin Laden.
This scientist was not a known criminal and the nation responsible for the car bombing was not at war with him. As he was a civilian, his assassination was not collateral damage, and there is no disclosed war, Israel violated the Geneva Convention (which they have signed onto). Whereas, the US has declared war against al-Qaeda and bin Laden is an enemy combatant. Only real issue, of course, was sovereignty; but as Pakistan had pledged to help us, I consider that part sufficiently fulfilled.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 5:29pmAnd has not Iran already provided arms to Hezbollah and Hamas? If Iran gets nukes they aren’t going to just launch them at Israel knowing that Israel could nuke them right back. More likely they’ll provide nuclear arms to terrorists. Since they have already been shown guilty of shipping arms to terrorists, they have effectively declared war on any nation those terrorists have attacked, Israel included, and Israel is therefore justified in attacking their arms production facilities. It’s not unprecedented. Germany did it to us in WWI because we were arming their enemies even though we were supposedly nuetral.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 13, 2012 at 10:14am@Tzion
“More likely they’ll provide nuclear arms to terrorists. Since they have already been shown guilty of shipping arms to terrorists, they have effectively declared war on any nation those terrorists have attacked, Israel included, and Israel is therefore justified in attacking their arms production facilities.”
We provided the knowledge of building nukes to Israel, and have armed, funded, and trained their military. Are you saying the US is de facto at war with Iran (as Israel is attacking them), and thus we should be attacked in return? As that’s exactly the line of reasoning you are suggesting.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:34amI bet the nuke employees are checking out their cars today.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:40amIsrael had better start checking its buses, and when a bomb does go off, Israel had better stop whining… because they are no different.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:05am@The_Jerk
Report Post »Amazing isn’t it!?!?!?!?
When the world thinks it is Israel that uses a car bomb it is a “tragedy” and an “international crime”
but when they have to deal with a nuclear Iran and car bombs and rockets DAILY the world is silent.
I do not believe it was Israel but if it was I say …”GO GET ‘EM BOYS”!!!!!
The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:47amFavored93, you logic is flawed. Israel is going, and has in the past gone, into another sovereign nation to kill and terrorize its citizens. Palestinians are in a war with people from Europe and America, and their descendents, who have taken their land, homes, and businesses. Palestinians are at war with Jews who are placing them into ghettos and making them pass through checkpoints. Palestinians are at war with Jews who are now walling in those ghettos, a practice learned from the Reich.
Report Post »When those same Palestinians sit down and read our Declaration of Independence, they realize that those truths also apply to them.
tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:08amSo jerk, your idea of a justified response to the targeted assassination of a single individual is to blow up civilians? The man Israel “might” have assassinated was building a weapon that would have been used against Israel. What do regular people riding buses have to do with Iran? What did they ever do to Iran? The Iranian President is preparing for war because, for the first time, Iraq is in no position to stop him. He’s already spread his influence through his ally, Syria, and their pawn Hezbollah. Israel doesn’t bomb mosques, hospitals, or schools like Hamas does. If Israel assassinates someone, they know precisely who their killing. They don’t kill at random.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:27amTZion, again, you are rationalizing the killing of innocent civilians because you ‘think’ that they may be doing something. You do not have that right to kill another because ‘you think’ he’s doing something, especially when you have a more thuggish, aggressive, and questionable past. You can not condemn another’s terrorism when you are doing the same. This is the all too common Jewish double standard.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:11pmBy that argument, since Iran only “thinks” Israel was behind the assassination the have no right to retaliate as you indicated above. How’s that for double standards?
Report Post »THXll38
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:25amGo for it Iran — I would love to see Israel level you and turn your country into a sheet of glass.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:33amProof why Iran is justified in seeking nuclear weapons. Israel is, by far, the most aggressive and hostile nation in the Middle East… history also proves this to be true.
Report Post »CIAtroll
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:35amHillary Clinton and a Noble Lie ?
http://www.anoblelie.com/
Report Post »CIAtroll
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:37amthe reptilian force is strong here
Hail Lucifer king of deception and Hate.
Report Post »CIAtroll
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:39amWhat about Pakastan ?
Report Post »THXll38
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:06pmThe Jerk -
Report Post »Of course it’s true. If you were surrounded by a bunch of countries that wanted to wipe you off the map, you would protect yourself. But then again, you sound like a modern day liberal, so you just may appease these threats.
grandmaof5
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:23amIran probably blew up their nuclear engineer for some crime against the government and is now blaming the U.S. and Israel. Since they have no regard for human life, I wouldn’t put anything past them.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:31amGrandmaof 5, there has been a string of these killings… doubt Iran would continue killing its best and brightest. Israel is the terrorist. Israel is the killer. They whine about Palestinian’s bombing in their occupied territory, and they are no different. Then, they depend on your ignorance and accepted hypocrisy.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 2:33pm@Jerk
Report Post »Once again your facts are completely false. How many terrorists attacks have happened to in Tel Aviv, which isn’t even close to the territories. Terrorism happens wherever there are Israelis. Take the Munich Massacre, for instance, which happened OUTSIDE of Israel. Your lies are so obvious they might as well be written as a work of fiction. Oh wait, that’s already been done.
Locked
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:22amSeems that assassination differs from terrorism based solely upon whose side you’re on. And we wonder why there’s blowback from the Middle East when we and our allies do things like this?
Let’s stop sending aid to Israel and let them face the consequences of their actions. They want to pull off assassinations against foreign scientists? Let them do so and not cry to the US when if it comes back to haunt them.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:01amI will agree with defunding Israel only if funds are cut off from all of the Middle East; this would include no money to the UN since they would funnel money to said region.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:19am@Stoic
Completely agree. I don’t want US military or financial involvement in the Middle East at all. The sooner we’re out of there, the better.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:18am.
I’m still looking for a Good Muslim.
But, the Dead ones so far, are the only Good Ones I can find……
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:23amIsrael is the belligerent savage nation. They routinely partake in state sponsored killings, assassinations, of civilians. They do rely heavily upon propagandists like you.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:11amWhat is Dirtydinnerjacket going to do? All talk and no action. Israel would blow them back to the stone age. Well, they would if the current administration would allow them to…Shut your pie hole Mahmmod. You might be the next victim of a car bomb.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:16amGoing back to the Stone Age would be an evolutionary leap forward for those foul beings in the sand box.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:22amI wish Israel would bomb Mecca and take back the Temple Mount. No way the Muslims could do a dam thing about it…But I am a dreamer….
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:26am“These policies targeted peoples, in particular Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and handicapped people, who were labeled as “inferior” in a racial hierarchy that placed the Herrenvolk (or “master race”) of the Volksgemeinschaft (or “national community”) at the top, and ranked Russians,[1][2] Romani, persons of color and Jews at the bottom.[3][4]” -wiki
Are you really any different?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:11amI‘m glad Israel’s leaders have enough balls to pull this stuff off…ours sure don’t.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:06amOur leader has a pair??
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