Iranian Warships to Pass Through Suez Canal — Israel Calls it a ‘Provocation’
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An Iranian warship takes part in a naval parade in 2006. (Photo: AP)
Iran just threw gasoline on an already raging fire in the Middle East. According to reports, two Iranian warships have set out for Syria and are planning on using the Suez Canal, a route that would bring it dangerously close to Israel, to get there. Israel is considering the move an act of “provocation” that it may not be able to “ignore.”
The Jerusalem Post reports:
The Israel Navy will be tracking two Iranian warships as they make a rare crossing of the Suez Canal late Wednesday night and sail into the Mediterranean Sea.
The two ships will cross into the Mediterranean Sea on their way to Syria. Defense officials said that Israel would track the ships but that their presence in the sea would not change anything for the Navy’s operational deployment.
“It is strange for the Iranian Navy to use the Suez Canal since it really doesn’t have anything to look for in the Mediterranean Sea,” one unnamed official told the Post.
Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman told the Post the planned crossing of the Suez by the Iranian ships is a “provocation that proves that the overconfidence of the Iranians is growing from day to day.”
“The international community needs to understand that Israel will not be able to ignore these provocations forever,” he added.
According to IsraelNationalNews.com, the ships are planning on docking in Syria for a year, and UPI.com reports that Iranian ships in the Red Sea area may be involved in supplying radical Muslim groups from Yemen with weapons.
The military maneuver comes as last week Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad hosted a massive anti-American and anti-Israel rally.
“We will soon see a new Middle East materializing without America and the Zionist regime and there will be no room for world arrogance (the West) in it,” Ahmadinejad told cheering crowds in Tehran’s Azadi (Freedom) Square on Friday.
The move also comes amid growing anti-government unrest in Iran. This week, protesters have been heard chanting “Death to the dictator!” while Iranian leaders have called for the execution of opposition demonstrators.
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Comments (354)
ltdsn133
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:49pmLet‘s just hope the Iranians don’t sink their own ship in the canal and blame Israel or “the West” for the sinking. Could this also shut down the canal~~maybe??
Report Post »In the meantime I’d have drones watching them, people on the ground watching them and satellite surveillance with weapons at the ready. God help us if this goes!
techengineer11
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:24pmAh you expect them to sink to the level of the Israelis in another Lavon Affair type of affair? Personally I doubt that the Iranians would stoop that low.. jmho
Report Post »roxee
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 4:20pmWhen you read that the Chief of Military Forces, Gabi Ashenazi admitts to who indded sent the Stuxnet Virus to Iran’s Nucclear reactor, of course this did not make it to our Media…. just the agenda of this type of story.
Report Post »fastfwd
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:49pmA real American President would be screaming for Iran to back off or else ! If America lets Israel be attacked and does nothing to stop it or help them,we are done as a nation ! Just look at the Israel history and you can see ANYONE that has came against them has lost big time, whether people believe it or not God is for Israel and He has shown it to be true by the miraculous victories Israel has won !
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:11pmWe have to get a real president first. The one we have is a sick joke!
Report Post »hightower
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:11pmHalf of Israel will be lost…
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:24pmIt’s not time for the U.S. to get involved on any level. The Israelis are big boys and generally know what they are doing. We don’t know a thing about these “warships” yet. If Israel wants U.S. intervention they will surely ask for it. Do you really wany Barry involved unless he has to be? The more he can stay out of things the better off we’ll all be. Ask Mubarrack.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 7:19pmHow many British nationals were slaughtered in the King David Hotel bombing? I’ve not heard Beck, Hannity or Levine mention that lately? Anyone heard Beck talk about the terrorists Jews?
Messenger4God
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 10:51pmAn attack on Israel will signal the beginning of the END for our civilization as we know it. If our country, the superpower of this planet, does nothing to defend Israel then it will be interpreted by the rest of the world as a weakness and further embolden those who seek to destroy us.
Report Post »millefiore
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:47pmWith UK, France, and Germany stating that multiculturalism is NOT working they may be allies w/ ISRAEL. This is serious people.
Report Post »integrican
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:39pmIran’s warships? Shooting at a Grizzly Bear with a BB-gun comes to mind.
Report Post »Katayno
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:39pmWhen Al Gore was the VP, he sigtned off on the sale of a Russian submarine to Iran. When a memo came out questioning the decision as a potential danger to Israel….he hand wrote on the bottom of the memo,
Report Post »B*ll S**t!!!
Katayno
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:47pmForgot to mention that because of the sanctioned against Iran at the time, we (U.S.) had to agree on any sales from Russia to Iran. Not that Russia doesn’t do it under the table…but a sub is pretty hard to hide.
Report Post »This shows that the LEFT never sees the threat to Israel, ever.
Ronko
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:36pmI hope Isreal blocks those ships from getting near Syria. I doubt our Govt will do any type of blockade.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:31pmCan Iranians swim??
Report Post »Bermuda Onion
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 6:00pmI think so. I think, however, they leave an oily sheen on top of the water. Almost like an oil spill.
Report Post »lasthouseontheright
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:30pmNot to worrie people, they are just helping usher in the twelth Iman to save the world…after a massive blood bath of course.
Report Post »I pray after Israel blows them out of the water that Obama will back their play, but odds are he will condem them instead.
Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:26pmMaybe The UN will Let Israel send a Nasty E-Mail?
Report Post »Sharon White
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:25pmWhere are the Peaceniks like Code Pink, anti war groups and so on…so much for that
Report Post »ares338
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:22pmI‘m pretty sure the Iranians don’t wish to mess with the Israel. They are very thorough and brutal once they get going. They have to be. Go Israel l!!!!!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:42pmNon-sequitur
Report Post »Israel is interested in preserving one of their own basic human rights, existance.
Gonzo
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:27pmNon-sequitur said something about Israel not being concerned with the basic human rights of “brown people”. That’s what I was responding to but, it was removed.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:20pmWhat kind of Iranian warships? Aircraft carriers? Battleships? In any case you can bet they are full of supplies for Hamas. How big and leathal is the Iranian Navy?
Report Post »Scolley80
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:32pm“The Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot, quoting unnamed Israeli security officials, identified the Iranian ships as an MK-5 frigate and a supply vessel.”
According to the Wall Street Journal.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/iranian-warships-to-pass-through-suez-canal-israel-calls-it-a-provocation/#respond
Report Post »Scolley80
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:55pmMy fault… Wrong link.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703373404576148414160885824.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
Report Post »Beckistheman
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:20pmI hope they dont’t have any nukes on those ships.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:10pmI’ve always wondered about the claims of Iran wanting to “wipe Israel off the map” with nukes.
Any nuclear attack on Israel would kill thousands of Palestinians as well. Not to mention render the place uninhabitable for quite some time. Its seems counter-productive to Iran’s stated goals to ever use this method of attack.
But it is a threat to be considered.
Just thought I’d throw that out there…
Report Post »Crewbot
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:18pm~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Report Post »Sink ‘em but don’t block the canal.
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glennrocks
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:17pmEveryone on the Huffington post is cheering for Iran. What is wrong with the liberals now days. Someone explain this mentallity to me.
Report Post »Uncurable wound
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:50pm28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Report Post »Romans 1:28-32
5410amh
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:17pmIsreal can handle itself militarily if the iranians try anything isreal will handle it. Remeber they have one of the best military’s on the planet.
Report Post »eflow504
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:17pmif Israel goes to war they will go it alone. this coward of a president we have will do nothing to help..
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:21pmAs they should. Israel has no right to strike unless the Iranian ships strike first. The Suez Canal is open to all ships through international treaty, regardless of the flag they sail under, no exception. Just sailing through there is not provocation, technically.
If the Iranian ships stray one water molecule off course, then sure. Otherwise, this is Israel huffing and puffing in order to try and draw us into a war they’ve wanted with Iran for years.
Thanks but no thanks.
Gonzo
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:23pmI’m afraid you are right.
Report Post »Echad
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:25pmGHOSTOFJEFFERSON:
Your statement that “Just sailing through there is not a provocation, technically” is absurd! Under your view I guess we should have let the Russians put their nuclear missiles in Cuba and not do anything until they actually launch a missile into the U.S.
You also stated that Israel has been trying to draw us into war with Iran that they have wanted for years are ludicrous! Israel has never said that Iran has no right to exist or that Iran should be wiped off the face of the earth. It is Iran that has made those statements about Israel. Iran is the world’s biggest sponsors of terrorism and you would trust that they are there for peaceful reasons are beyond any logic or reason.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:14pm@Echad
Report Post »“GHOSTOFJEFFERSON:
Your statement that “Just sailing through there is not a provocation, technically” is absurd! “
No, it’s a fact. Sailing through an international straight is not a provocation.
“Under your view I guess we should have let the Russians put their nuclear missiles in Cuba and not do anything until they actually launch a missile into the U.S.”
I’ve always been unclear about why either the U.S. or the Soviets had anything to do with with Cuba. Neither had any business being there. I do understand the realities of the time however.
“You also stated that Israel has been trying to draw us into war with Iran that they have wanted for years are ludicrous! Israel has never said that Iran has no right to exist or that Iran should be wiped off the face of the earth. It is Iran that has made those statements about Israel. Iran is the world’s biggest sponsors of terrorism and you would trust that they are there for peaceful reasons are beyond any logic or reason.”
We’ve never had interest in invading Iran, outside of rescuing hostages in 1979 (or rather, trying to). Suddenly, we’re all gung ho. I don’t believe for a second that back room wheeling and dealing is going on and I cannot help but notice that every reason people give for US going to war includes the word “Israel”. I like Israel and bear them no malice, but I have no desire for my son to die over some bizarre middle east squabble. Let them take care of their own problems, they’re a strong country.
StuntDrivin4U
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:15pmBe prepared for war, they’ve said it themselves.
Report Post »mankind7375
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:15pmSo what better way to distract the angry people in the street and have them leave you alone. Turn their attention to someone they hate more than you, and help get them united behind the military. Must have had a call placed to Clinton, he knows how to distract.
Report Post »moreteaplease
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:14pmIsrael will not think twice about striking. I’d like to think that Israel could count on the U.S. having its back but with Obama at the helm…who knows?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:13pmAll ships, from all flags, both commercial and war, both in peacetime and time of war, have right by treaty to pass through the Suez Canal, without regards to whom the ship is flagged to (assuming it fits through the canal). There are no exceptions. Israel needs to calm down. Unless Iran does something or attacks, Israel has no say in the matter and needs to stop huffing and puffing.
Is Iran being provocative? Maybe, probably even. But until they do something that actually violates a law or is an act of war, Israel needs to restrain its hand.
Report Post »etetetet
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:27pmIsrael is always calm. They have lived with the threat of their neighbors wanting them to be wiped off the face of the earth for 6000 years (ok, the Jews before Israel came into existence). They have to live with the threat of attack 24/7/365. First, I do not see anything that shows they are not calm. If they are bringing something to the attention of others – IT IS IMPORTANT.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:27pmWarships is a pretty broad description isn’t it Ghost? I think Israel says things like this just to bring attention to the situation which otherwise would go unreported. In this country anyway.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:31pm@etet
Calling it a provocation is not being calm. It is not. All ships, all flags, may and do pass through the area, and are enabled to by treaty. If Israel is calling this a provocation, then I need to know exactly how it is a provocation, as simply sailing through like all other nations do (and as Iran itself has done in the past at times) is not.
If they have some intelligence demonstrating that Iran is going to do more than sail through, then release it. As it stands, there is no reason to strike these ships, assuming that all they do is sail through.
It bothers me how easily some call for war these days. Be calm people, let’s see what plays out before screaming for what may well turn into WW3.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:37pm@Gonzo
It is a very broad description. It could be 2 PT boats with 8 people aboard for all we know. Before I decide to panic or get all Apocalypse-y, I’ll need more than ships sailing lawfully through a canal. My criteria for panic are a bit higher than most these days. :)
HillBillySam1
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:49pmIt seems to me that waiting until you have finished counting and burying your dead BEFORE you bring attention to a potentialy serious military threat is a very poor way to protect your citizens. Iran has clearly stated it’s intentions towards Israel for a long time now. “Remaining calm” and not confronting the threat that two warships, who have anti-aircraft and anti-ship weapons onboard, is not in the best interest of the Israeli people.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:56pm@HillBillySam1
That is the philosophy of the Nazis and Soviets, and I’ll have no part of it. You cannot attack people for what they “might” do, possibly, potentially, maybe. Ackmad-dinnerjacket is an idiot and a flashy provocateur. He no more wants real war against Israel than any other middle eastern nation, he simply wishes at this point to look tough for his own crowd so he retains power.
Watch the ships, track them, monitor them, all that, clearly called for. But war, striking, bloodshed pre-emptively? No thank you, I don’t cotton to the philosophies of the Nazis and Soviets, thanks.
Report Post »etetetet
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:00pmGhost – I am agreeing with you. None of us have Israel’s intel – they have folks in every Arab country. I fully believe Israel will not strike the first strike without absolute proof of intent to harm Israel or her citizens. We’re seeing one small part of one very huge picture in the Middle East.
Report Post »Peace – Let us all be prepared.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:05pm@etetetet
Oh, my bad, I’m sorry, I misunderstood where you were going with the initial post. My apologies.
Report Post »newrepublic7
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:06pmRight, Free passage through the Suez! Only if the ships are carring weapons to or for Syria would that be a provocation, and even that is a stretch and I am very pro Israel. But lets look at the last time Iran came through the Suez and ask ourselves “WHY” they would come NOW? When the entire middle-east is rioting?
Report Post »etetetet
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:08pmNo problem – that’s always a problem with emails, blogging, – one does not see the facial and tonal expressions of the one making statements – nor, can one type all their emotions adequetaely into a response at times – nor provide ‘quick’ replies.
Report Post »Have a Great Day
HillBillySam1
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:25pm@GHOST
Report Post »Confronting the threat is not the same as going to war. By bringing attention to the proximity of the Iranian warships to Israel, it may take the sword out of Achmedinajab’s hands. The world now knows about the two ships and their destination. They are on notice to behave in a peaceful manner or be held accountable…..that helps maintain the peace better than anything else. I also do not subscribe to the tactics of the Nazis and Soviets…..they lied to legitimize their own warmongering ways…..but I do believe that a soveriegn nation has the right to identify, monitor, and notify other countries of a potential threat to it’s own people. War is not the answer……unfortunately, sometimes it is all that we have left.
NRABIBLETHUMPER
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:33pm@Ghost, I feel you may be a bit naive’…I’m not saying attack but to make the provocation that Iran is doing at the current time is certainly an item that Israel should make public. It serves multiple purposes and, in my opinion, is a reserved approach to the situation. It makes the entire situation public so people with all perspective will watch the situation. Israel has not done anything provocative, and I must say has been very reserved in light of Akmadinnerjacket‘s previous calls for Israel’s destruction. You seem to say, don’t listen to what he says, but that you know what he means. Can you read minds? I take the crazy fool at his word. You also say that Israel must wait for an act of war on Iran’s part, hasn’t that already occurred many times in the past, and currently with thier ouster of the IAEA and denial of compliance with the UN?
I’m not saying nuke them, yet, but certainly be prudent in their own defense. I’d certainly have my hand next to the button waiting on those ships to pass.
Also, your statement that any ship can pass, commercial or war during war and peacetime is not correct under today’s operation of the canal. Egypt fully owns and operates this waterway and has closed it in the past and may likely in the future dependent upon the outcome of the coup/overthow or whatever you call the current situation there. The treaty you were referring to is when it was run as a business and there were shares owned by countries and people. Egypt has paid to enhance and fortify the canal in the past 35 years, so I believe it would be their decision as to who may pass.
Certainly has been a point of contention for the British in the past, when they have blocked the canal and shut it down to traffic.
Report Post »The Japanese had the right of their ships to be in the Pacific on Dec. 7, 1941, right?
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:10pm@NRABIBLETHUMPER
“Ghost, I feel you may be a bit naive’…I’m not saying attack”
Then we’re on the same team, ultimately. There is no naivete to be found in wishing for cooler heads to prevail than we’re seeing on this thread with the screams for war.
“ but to make the provocation that Iran is doing at the current time is certainly an item that Israel should make public. It serves multiple purposes and, in my opinion, is a reserved approach to the situation. It makes the entire situation public so people with all perspective will watch the situation. Israel has not done anything provocative, and I must say has been very reserved in light of Akmadinnerjacket‘s previous calls for Israel’s destruction.”
Which is sane and rational
“You seem to say, don’t listen to what he says, but that you know what he means. Can you read minds? I take the crazy fool at his word. You also say that Israel must wait for an act of war on Iran’s part, hasn’t that already occurred many times in the past, and currently with thier ouster of the IAEA and denial of compliance with the UN?”
Those aren’t acts of war. If the UN were demanding we comply with them in disarming Americans, would you be so hot for UN compliance in that case?
“I’m not saying nuke them, yet, but certainly be prudent in their own defense. I’d certainly have my hand next to the button waiting on those ships to pass.”
And that’s a reasonable position.
“Also, your statement that any ship can pass, commercial or war during war and peacetime is not correct under today’s operation of the canal. Egypt fully owns and operates this waterway and has closed it in the past and may likely in the future dependent upon the outcome of the coup/overthow or whatever you call the current situation there. The treaty you were referring to is when it was run as a business and there were shares owned by countries and people. Egypt has paid to enhance and fortify the canal in the past 35 years, so I believe it would be their decision as to who may pass.”
Ah, well I learned something new, thank you. But, ultimately, it lay with Egypt in this case as you say. I don’t have the latest news, has Egypt denied Iran passage?
“The Japanese had the right of their ships to be in the Pacific on Dec. 7, 1941, right?”
Yes they did. Up to an no closer than 12 miles from Hawaii however. Once the 12 mile marker was crossed they were on clearly demarked U.S. property and it was a true invasion by any standard, especially the standards of war during the time. The Iranians crossing the Suez does not fall into this category by any stretch.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 5:46pmFew seem to appreciate how cleverly Ahmedinejad plays his anti-Semitic cards!
He has never “denied” the Holocaust, he has trivialized it by pointing out the obvious fact that millions of non-Jews died in WWII, and anyway, if the Jews need a state so badly, why not in Europe, at the expense of their German and other persecutors, rather than in Palestine? (Ignoring the fact that Zionism long predates WWI, not to mention WWII.)
He has never said that Iran will destroy Israel, merely that Israel will be destroyed.
Textbook rope-a-dope, and the people egging the Israelis on are rhe dopes being roped.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 6:20pmHow many US Navy ships has Ahmedinejad sank since coming to power? How many have the Jews sank?
Since it is common knowledge today that the Mossad staged the entire Lavon Affair to blame it on the Muslim Brotherhood how do we know they won’t set up the Iranians tonight with the same sort of terrorist act in order to give them a pretext to bomb Iran?? I just don’t trust Jews… Btw, how many US Sailors were slaughtered by the Jewish terrorist attack? Did the final number wind up being 50? How many were injured? Anyone remember? Has Beck said lately? What about Hannity? Has he mentioned it lately? lol
WHITE LOTUS2x
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 9:33pmGhost: Your answer is about as good as a protective order which is an order that is only good after the fact, but just a little bit toooo! late to do any good..
Report Post »13thGenerationAmerican
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:11pmOh please someone quote a bible verse, please.
moreteaplease
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:17pmOkay…
“For the LORD has a day of vengeance, a year of retribution,
Report Post »to uphold Zion’s cause.” (Isaiah 34:8)
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:17pm.
Ecclesiastes 10:2.
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
Report Post »Katayno
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:40pmYou may be going to hell….is that close enough?
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:57pmDeuteronomy 23:13
And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee
Not really relevant, but always good advice. You don’t want to leave it for someone else to step in.
Report Post »Katayno
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:04pmBIblical explanation of the descendants of Ismael….”He will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man.”
Report Post »Supreme Galooty
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:11pm“Isn’t there any other part of the matzo you can eat?” — Norma Jean Mortenson
Report Post »DrFrost
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:25pm@13th
If I’m reading your intent here, you’re taking this opportunity to ridicule christians and their beliefs. If you must be intolerant (and there are certainly things in this life we SHOULD be intolerant of… beating women and children for example) might I suggest that you redirect your intolerance to a group more deserving… like the current government of Iran for example. If you want a country with a horrible human rights record, Iran would surely make the short list.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:30pm“I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.” (Zec 12:2 – 3)
“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. (Lk 17:26-30)
“First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, ‘Where is this “coming” he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.’” (2 Pe 3:3-4)
Report Post »Theleftisda
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:14pmRevelation 1:1-3 “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 5:19pm“And lo, the Blazers did blaze forth with keyboards of fire, and yet the earth was not consumed.”
Report Post »Sounds Biblical anyway.
ClaytonDM
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 9:45pmBe careful what you ask for it seems.
“If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you; if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.”
Report Post »Proverbs 9:12
silentwatcher
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:28amjust for you 13th…
‘no man, without his own consent, can be overcome by Satan’
read and head.
Report Post »Well-Armed-Lamb
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 8:47amDaniel 12:10 “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.”
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:39pmBless Israel and you will be blessed.
Report Post »Curse Israel and you will be cursed.
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:10pm.
Sorry to say but, Israel ya’ll are on your own.
No help from Obama i;m afarid…..
Report Post »fertlmind
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:27pmThey don’t need ANY help from Obamma.
Report Post »They just need to unload on Iran with everything they have short of nukes on day 1.
Best to save them for day 2.
Diplomacy with Obamma is day 3
G.W. Dobbs
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:12pmYes, Iran is making a move NOW in the Suez Canal BECAUSE OBAMA IS A MUSLIM and they KNOW Obama will not object or do anything to counter this move. Israel needs to be assertive and tell Iran “NO” right now; if Iran gets away with this, Iran interprets WEAKNESS and it emboldens them more. STOP THE IRANIANS. Tell Iran “NO” and IF they are foolish enough to persist, show them who is BOSS. Better ACT, ISRAEL. Obama is NOT with you but AMERICANS are.
Report Post »roxee
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:26pmThe US has the 5th Fleet there with 850 men/women aboard. China,Russia, Japan, Isreal all have war ships there. Google Earth the Canal and Aqaba, tons of wasr ships there. Why are they not reporting this? Iran is crazy to go there with all this fire power sitting there.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:10pmTick tock, tick tock.
Report Post »Juan Gault
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:10pmThe dogs of war are barking. Lounging forward against their present chains. Prepare for the worst, pray for both America,and Israel.
Report Post »WHITE LOTUS2x
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 11:06pmBeck is nuts” You are a little ole silly willy arent you. You know Glenn is always right. Go ahead and admit it, you will feel better after. Glenn is alwaysss right.
Report Post »2AM
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 9:55pmSo that was a war ship??? I have friends who have boats bigger than that…
Report Post »fertlmind
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:10pmBlast them off the face of the earth with everything you have Israel.
Report Post »Clean up the mess later.
The vermin need to be squashed.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:14pmWhy? The Suez Canal is open to all ships, of all nations, both commercial or war, in times of peace or war, no exceptions. Unless Iran does something wrong, there is no justification for doing anything to them. Cooler heads need to prevail until such time as something *does* happen.
cheezwhiz
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:15pmWouldn’t it be fun to have Nazi Policei in hijab standing with Keith Ellison ( Mus-MN) on the shores of Syria to welcome those ships ?
Report Post »BMartin1776
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:19pmWell wait a sec have the Iranians gone through the canal in the past? If so they must be watched closely, if not this is a provocation but I would say to be on alert and not engage them. Some may say now is the time to go at them before the caliphate truly takes hold, which is an excellent point. But are “we” ready for all out war over there? You all know the US will be involved heck we more than likely have a battle group or two right there when the ships pass through. Who thinks a shot wouldnt be fired on a ship flying the US flag?
Leave it to Ahmendumbdedumb to start something with the middle east about to come undone. Man this is one bad movie we are in…….
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Crewbot
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:23pm~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Report Post »Are they sure it‘s the Suez Canal they’re talking about?
Didn’t Chris Matthews tell us that Egypt has the Panama Canal?
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cnsrvtvj
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:23pmI have to agree with your assessment Fertlmind. Of course this is a provocation. I think as much as it is a provocation, it’s a diversion tactic as well. That seems pretty obvious. The leaders of Iran certainly want to distract the world as they try to deal with the protestors in the streets of Tehran.
http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the Selective Outrage video
Report Post »Curator_JDR
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:30pmThis is Ahmenidinejad’s deflection because of the resurgent uprising in Iran.I hope Israel doesn’t “ignore” this threat. Stopping the ship will empower the freedom seeking Iranians. Iranians speak Farsi and Egyptians speak Arabic. Iranians have a Persian culture and history of freedom and just laws to reclaim. Egyptians don’t—but they like to pretend they do.
Historic Israel National Radio Interview — “reconciling ancient history and the roots of Islam”
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Uncurable wound
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:31pmWe’re not just going to shoot the bastards, we’re going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the treads on our tanks.
Report Post »Patton where are you?
cheezwhiz
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:34pm@ GhostOfJefferson
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I’m guessing that Israel is concerned because these Iranian ships will be docked in Syria for a year ( atleast thats what the Iranians say ) and no one knows who and what these ships are transporting from where to the Syrian shores.
NickDeringer
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:36pmNote to Ahkmadinnerjacket: don’t mess iwth Israel. They DO have nukes and they WILL kill you.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:43pm@cheezwhiz
That’s all fine and well. And monitor them, I say, for Israel and that would be a very rational thing to do no question. That’s fine, I understand Israel‘s concern about the intention of the ships after they’re docked. What I don’t understand is people screaming for bloody war right now, twenty minutes after the thread was released, based on no just cause whatsoever, simply for sailing legally through a canal as all other nations ships do, commercial AND war ships both.
War lust always disturbs me. War should never be entered into lightly or for transient reasons.
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:47pmWell said Jefferson. We currently have an unstable powder keg in the world. One wrong move and we will see WWIII. I hope we have our satellites positioned over the port in Syria to see if a large amount of cargo is unloaded once these ships dock. I pray we also have CIA agents on the ground in Syria to track any cargo that is/may be unloaded.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:49pm@ GOHSTOFJEFFERSON…….I agree monitor all you want but please don’t pull the preemptive trigger. That would create such an atmosphere of instability and uprising that it would be disastrous on a global scale.
Report Post »easyed598
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:50pmAhmadinejad is afraid that the Iranian protestors will bring about his overthrow such that happen in Egypt. He is probably hoping for a confrontation with Israel in order to unite his country and would save his own skin for the time being.
Report Post »LOOK_IT_UP
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:55pm@jefferson
Report Post »C’mon how can we support the do nothing untill and only if you get your face smashed in policy? Its time to start acting instead of reacting.
cheezwhiz
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:55pm@ GhostOfJefferson
Report Post »I feel that the ‘ flotilla ’ was just a rehearsal.
The Iranians tested international reaction and media response with that one.
techengineer11
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 1:59pmAnyone suspect that the rabid terrorists in Israel will launch another massacre similar to the one they perpetuated on the King David Hotel or perhaps similar to the one they launched on the USS Liberty slaughtering some 50 American proud patriots? Better yet why not another Lavon Affair and blame it on the Muslim Brotherhood?? That would probably give Hannity, Beck, Levine, Lieberman and other rabid Zionist enough ammunition to maybe start another War in the Middle East with Iran right? Ah you silly little ignorant Beck Bots.. Please attain some education and stop embarrassing us with all of the satanic influenced War Mongering.. Because you know that you are not sending your children over their and you damn sure know that all the War hungry cowardly garbage on this board certainly are not going to fight.. lol
jblaze
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:02pmWhat would happen if an Iranian warship sailed into New York Harbour! DO YOU THINK THE US WOULD NOT BE ON IT!!!! WHAT THE @#$!% IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!! DON”T YOU THINK THE NAVY WOULD BE ALL OVER IT?????
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:02pm@LOOK_IT_UP
“C’mon how can we support the do nothing untill and only if you get your face smashed in policy? Its time to start acting instead of reacting.”
No, that’s irrational. We rightly condemned the Soviet Union and China for doing just that, back when we held the notion that you don’t attack other nations without being attacked first and acted honorably. I don’t rightly appreciate blood lust when nothing wrong has, as of yet, been done. It’s unbecoming and uncivilized and against traditional American principles.
Report Post »BQI
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:03pmThe article Egypt‘s Success is Israel’s Detriment @ http://www.blackquillandink.com
World events are spiraling…..All of this will lead to something and the only person discussing what this could lead to is GLENN BECK.
BQI is doing it’s best to support Glenn with our own investigations and reports.
America PREPARE……………Please!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:04pm@jblaze
“What would happen if an Iranian warship sailed into New York Harbour! DO YOU THINK THE US WOULD NOT BE ON IT!!!! WHAT THE @#$!% IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!! DON”T YOU THINK THE NAVY WOULD BE ALL OVER IT?????”
That has nothing to do with this. Please, calm down and study up on the Suez Canal before flying off the handle. The Suez Canal is owned by Egypt, not Israel, so your scenario makes no sense.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:04pmI have to agree with Jefferson. Achmawhat’shisface WANTS a confrontation with Israel. He doesn’t just want to throw gasoline on the fire, he wants to set the world on fire. But I bet he wants Israel to fire the first shot. Certainly Israel can handle the threat of that one ship, but if they fire pre-emptifly, no matter how justified the threat, all HELL will break loose.
Report Post »mcfinch
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:06pmThey should do exactly what you said.
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Video Website
Report Post »IronSights
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:09pmThis is perfect. They will be Syria for a year, so there will be a great deal of supply vessels “replenishing” their two ships. When in reality they are arming, training and preparing the like minded for their final assault on Israel and other surrounding countries who appose Iran. So were looking at a year (more or less) until Ahmadinejad (gesundheit) launches his final assault.
Report Post »beckisnutsisnutsisnuts
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:09pmBeck was crazier than ever on taday’s radio show. He tortures logic when he points to minor events happening here and there in the world and then claims that they prove his paranoid predictions are correct. Hell, anyone can do that. I could make a case for anything using tactics like Glenn is using. It‘s pretty amazing that even one person would be taken in by Glenn’s silly reasoning.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:13pm@ JBLAZE…..big difference New York harbor is sovereign US territory. The Suez canal is not sovereign Israel territory. It is used by MANY nations daily. No one is saying don‘t take precautions don’t monitor don’t use intelligence agents to gather information, but to preemptively strike would be playing right into Iran’s strategy. They want Israel to look like the aggressors, they want to legitimize their fight and they want to galvanize the Islamic world as well with the same goal. We really need cool heads and reason to tackle these issues impulsiveness is not the proper solution and no good will come from “taking out 2 warships” in the Suez canal other than starting WW 3. Is that what you want?????
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:19pm@Ghost of Jefferson
Look at it this way in regards to the Suez Canal; a new party backed by the Egypt militia suddenly asks the Iranians for ‘protection’ force to guard the territory of the Suez, until an new Egypt force is able to take it’s place. Iran would gain defacto control of it, and at the same time place pressure on the nation of Israel to strike first…and if failing to provoke the reaction they desire, then instigate one that they will use to show the Israeli forces as an aggressor.
Look for Iran to have their navy be the part of the ‘attacked’ and Israel portrayed as the hostile party in this region. Also, if any damage ‘accidently’ happens to the canal or the structures supporting it, then Israel is blamed, and the international world crashes down upon them.
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:20pmGhostOfJefferson
Syria is one of Israel’s neighboring enemies. It has an alliance with Iran which has deepened along with Tehran’s isolation from the West over its disputed nuclear ambitions.
“Tonight, two Iranian warships are meant to pass through the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean Sea and reach Syria, something that has not happened in many years,” Lieberman said in a closed-door speech to Jewish leaders.
Reuters
Do you think this would be happening if Mubarak was still in power?
Report Post »npbreakthrough
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:20pmthe Iranians trying to get Israel to jump the gun again………..
Report Post »another preemptive strike in the region by the west would be the perfect
addition to the puddle of crocodile tears from which these regimes spnge their propaganda
stopspendingourmoney
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:21pmAnd it begins already, they are preparing for a holy war on Israel.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:23pmnothing to see here, please move along
Report Post »kreese
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:26pmC’mon guys–don’t jump to conclusions! Why just this morning, I heard a muslim Harvard professor say the Bros are not the violent type–just peace-loving people. I know, I know, there is no connection between Iran and these other groups–they all just want peace. They can achieve peace by taking Israel down “piece by piece”!
Report Post »davecoolworld
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:27pmGHOSTOFJEFFERSON….While I respect your opinions and you do seem to have a level head on many topics, I disagree with your assessment. The planned trip by iranian warships is a bad idea. Israel MUST not only monitor the ships they will likely be provoked by Iran into a conflict. You mentioned China in your response, did you forget they launched a missle off the coast of California a couple of months ago. Peaceful actions are always the way to go, assuming they other side thinks the same way. If not, things get broken and people die.
We have a weak, subversive President and the lightning fast changes in the world are a direct result. We better toughen up quick, WWIII is coming like a freight train and sometimes peace is not the answer in the real world.
Report Post »exdem
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:33pmThe ships are heading to Syria where Bill Ayers , Bernadine Dorhn and code pink await their arrival. This is the new Flotilla.
Report Post »mikelivi
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:40pmCaliphate? What Caliphate? There is no Caliphate……..
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:44pm@Crewbot
Report Post »The Panama Canal cuts through Panama (just above South America) and connects the Carribean Sea and Atlantic Ocean with the Pacific Ocean.
The Suez Canal cuts through the Isthmus of Suez to link the Red Sea and the Gulf of Suez with the Mediterranean Sea.
BeckFanDan
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:47pmHey “Ghost”, you asked why? – Have you been asleep?
Report Post »Go back and read the spoken words of the leadership of Iran- add together the possibility of nukes or even conventional weapons and you have all the reason you need to stop them. “Wait until something happens”? You mean after Israel gets nuked?
Perhaps you would have a different view if you lived there and your enemies have sworn to eliminate you, your family, friends etc.
GayDem4Beck
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:50pmConnect the dots folks… The Iranian leadership is fascinated with the return of the “Twelfth Imam”. They believe a life time of peace is possible, but only after intense periods of warfare, conflict and chaos. In fact this is believed to be a Muslim dominion over the entire world. The President of Iran is on the record and thinks it’s his job to usher in this new time. The Middle East is already in unrest and Iran may think this is the time to act by putting there dreams and plans into motion.
I remember something about a millennium of WAR or a millennium Peace ; I just can’t remember when this was to take place….
Report Post »sgallion1
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 2:52pmIran is really pushing it’s luck. They have no idea of the power that Israel has.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:03pm@BeckFanDan
“Hey “Ghost”, you asked why? – Have you been asleep?”
No, I’m quite awake thank you.
“Go back and read the spoken words of the leadership of Iran- add together the possibility of nukes or even conventional weapons and you have all the reason you need to stop them. “Wait until something happens”? You mean after Israel gets nuked?”
Nobody is going to nuke Israel. Iran is posturing because, check it out, they are having problems in their own country and they want a common enemy to rally against. Israel is that enemy. What Iran doesn’t want, is an actual war, as they know quite well that they’d lose hands down in less than a week. Don‘t make the mistake of thinking that political posturing for one’s base means that the posturing is real.
“Perhaps you would have a different view if you lived there and your enemies have sworn to eliminate you, your family, friends etc.”
I live in my home with my family. One of my neighbors across the street, whom I loathe and who loathes my family, has guns. I don‘t justify going over and shooting them up because they get in their car and flip me off as they’re leaving their house.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:05pmsgallion1: Sure they do. Everyone knows that Israeli spys stole all of our top secrets and the ones they didn’t steal we gave to them. Besides that they take about 3-5 Billion from America each year for the past I don’t know probably 50 years to build up their military! So everyone is aware of what Israel’s military has except most Beck Bots. I wonder how many of those Nukes which the Israelis have are aimed toward America? hmmm
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:09pmTo GhostofJefferson….you are of the “can’t we all just hug and get along generation”. The Irainian‘s have already proven they can’t be trusted. I say fire a salvo over the bows…if they don’t turn around turn them into the newest fishing reef in the Med.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:25pmwatchtheotherhand/ghostofjefferson: I was about to post how much admired your patience and civility earlier but as I witness how these Beck Bots handle your logic and reason I have to conclude that my way is probably right.
Report Post »Punch back hard at their ignorance, call them out, state facts which they can not refute in their waves of irrationality. Unfortunately, the bottom line is that these Beck Bots/Zionist want another War. They believe that the Sky God will reward with them with eternal life if they support the Jews.. You can’t really reason with people that are so misguided.
Bigliardi
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:29pm@ghostofjefferson…Such as a nuclear bomb in the middle of Tel Aviv, or Chicago…..?
Report Post »ItTakesFaith
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:31pmWhen are we going to realize – AGAIN – that an active intelligence operation (read: an empowered CIA…!) is essential in the kooky Middle East Islamic nations…?!?!?!
Report Post »——-
President Obama was absolutely clueless about the Egyptian uprising… in spite of a seeming countless and steady stream of evidence… (What goes on in his daily intelligence briefings? I know, I know the words “Obama” and “intelligence” are mutually exclusive… and are the very definition of an oxymoron!)
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I’m just saying…
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:31pm@Bluefish49
“To GhostofJefferson….you are of the “can’t we all just hug and get along generation”. ”
False. I am in GenX and served honorably in our military, both here and abroad in central America in the mid 1980′s. I am an owner of guns that make liberals wake up in cold sweats and am well practiced in their use, and have martial arts training as well. I’m no peacnik, sir, but I do not believe in engaging in violence for the sake of violence.
“The Irainian‘s have already proven they can’t be trusted. I say fire a salvo over the bows…if they don’t turn around turn them into the newest fishing reef in the Med.”
If they have legal permission from Egypt to cross, then that act would be an act of unjustifiable aggression. Why not let them puff out their little chests and leave, instead of trying our best to cheer for war? Track them, monitor them, have spies every which way to Sunday to see what comes off the ship, but unless they actually attack anybody, let them be.
The old adage is true it seems, the people who wish for war the least are the soldiers.
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:34pmReally…Ghost and Techengineer go to another site with your babble…it’s not welcome here. Perhapes MSNBC.
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:36pmA lot of hooey about nothing. Iranians out for a cruise in international waters and some sun and fun in Syria. Some chest thumping, too. Just a little extra scrap metal on the bottom of the Med if they were to act up.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:37pmI hear a lot of people attacking GHOSTOFJEFFERSON but he is one of the few making good sense. This shoot em up mentality is reckless and misguided. Many people do not understand the Middle East or the situation. Shoot ‘em up mentality will do more ultimate harm to Israel in the long run and definite harm to the US in that region. Iran is not going to nuke Israel without doing a lot of harm to surrounding fellow Muslims. They do not want a conventional war as they would get their butts spanked. They want to demonize Israel in the eyes of the world and you guys would make their Job that much easier. Israel already has enough enemies without fanning the flame unnecessarily or adding more fuel to the fire. Your shoot ‘em up mentality would surely get them into hot water.
Report Post »LarsArcht
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:45pmHere’s what I think is happening within the overall region; The Muslim Brotherhood is active in each of these countries and is interested in outright takeover or possibly conducting “free” elections which by either route serve to place an MB key person in charge of Yemen, Egypt, Libya, etc. Once those persons are in place you’ll see the entire region governed by a MB Caliphate.
Report Post »With our administration telling middle eastern “autocrats” that their time is over we can only surmise the administration to be woefully incompetent or complicit in what’s happening at the regional level.
Look for the region to have a new, centralized, MB-based control structure in place within 6 months.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:46pmHey BLUE ……GHOST and I are true conservatives, but your not thinking clearly. It is not rational to strike first in this instance it is what IRAN wants dude!!!! Israel is better served by not letting Iran bait them into action in this case. We (the USA and the World) cannot afford a heightened conflict in that region right now, You want instability, you want reasons for Muslim countries to unify and fight against Israel and the West then let this happen like you want and that’s what you will get. We want the focus on the uprising in Iran lets support those people and help them overturn “crazy dude” and deal with it in that manner not warfare as first impulse rather than last resort. That is what “crazy dude” wants a conflict that could help him maintain power in Iran.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:51pm@Bigliardi
“@ghostofjefferson…Such as a nuclear bomb in the middle of Tel Aviv, or Chicago…..?”
Explain to me precisely how they could get a nuclear bomb to Chicago from the Suez Canal please? Or even Tel Aviv? Israel is a big boy, it can take care of itself without us getting into a war lather every time some middle eastern armpit rattles their sabers. They’re quite competent militarily I hear.
Report Post »SavvyCowboy
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:58pmTo the tune of the famous Beach Boys hit……”Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran! Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran! Bomb Iraaaaaaaaaan………”
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 4:00pmThere is a tipping point that has not been reached yet. Israel is very smart and very well armed. Iran is no match for Israel nor is anyone else in the middle east. But Israel does not want a war. I would suspect that unless Israel sees this as an opportunity to engage Iran’s nuke facilities on a wide front, Israel‘s subs will not sink Iran’s ship this time around.
Report Post »lketchum
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 4:02pmSink those ships and do so simultaneously – coordinating the attack from submarines.
Sink them to send a message to all: Israel will be defended no matter the cost. Sink them and dare the Iranian government to so much as lodge a protest – if they do, hit them again and harder than can be imagined.
Use one Israeli submarine and one U.S. boat and coordinate and make public the plan – make certain the world understands where our loyalties are – on the side of Liberty and Federal Republicanism where plurality is clearly evident within the electorate.
Iran and the extremists are on the march and like an out of control teenage boy that needs a good sit down, it’s time to bloody that nose and let them know where the limits are.
Report Post »home_of_the_brave
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 4:13pmI find the timing of this trip very odd. Exactly what are they transporting to or from Syria that they cannot transfer by road. And with all the violent rhetoric that has been spewed in the past few weeks against Israel I would not blame them for taking this as a provocation. I am declaring right now that I stand with Israel. Will our President?
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 4:16pmIt COULD be that they suspect their regime may be coming to a close, as social unrest in Iran and other surrounding countries has been escalating. They could be making a run for that brass ring while they can. If so, we could see a provocation take place within the next several days. Watch the other activities occurring in Iran and also those of Syria, Yemen, Egypt, and don’t leave out Somalia.
Report Post »1911a1
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 4:33pmSink Em, if they so much as even look like they are going to do something stupid
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 4:34pmLet‘s hope the straight of Hormuz isn’t next.
Report Post »olddog
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 4:43pmIt will have to be Israel that blasts them because obama will never take any action against iran. i still like the old song. Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 4:55pmIt’ a “courtesy call” on Syria, I’m sure.
The Iranians don’t want to be sidelined when exciting things are happening nearer the center of the Islamic world.
Fortunately, the Israelis are not the slavering lunatics most of yall would like them to be.
They will respond with force when appropriate, and not before, and they will know when the time comes because–unlike the US with its touching faith in technology–they are still adept at humint.
Sometimes I think Israel’s American cheerleaders, especially the Christian End-Timers among them, are Israel’s worst enemies.
Report Post »ForeignWatcher
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 5:05pmEveryone wanting this ships sunk must be an enemy of israel. Or perhaps quite dumb.
Israel would loose all standing in the world. It might even be that Europe turns away from Israel in such a case. You would embolden their enemies and weaken themselves. Iran, Syria, Hamas, perhaps the MB would love to see this ships sunk.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 5:07pmSomebody suggested that Iran was using this stunt attract attention and keep the world’s eyes off what they are doing to their protesters.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 5:19pmThere is another solution:humiliate Iran. Send 2 Israeli warships to escort the Iraqi warship to its destination for protection.This should burn their behinds.
Report Post »KenInIL
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 5:30pm@lketchum I think Israel should sink them too, but not tell anyone anything. When people wonder what happened, they could say the sailed out of sight of land and probably are lost! No blame, just a hint – “Don’t mess with us!”
Report Post »Alydia
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 5:32pm@GhostOfJefferson…because of what they maybe taking to Egypt!
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 5:41pmGHOSTOFJEFFERSON is right, but I wouldn’t wait until something happens to start arming the missiles and fueling the aircraft.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 5:44pmQuestion……for people who want the 2 Iranian ships sunk, What do you think the response of the majority of the rest of the world will be towards Israel???? Mark my words Israel will not sink those ships unless they act aggressively first. They know what is best for them !!!!
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 6:58pmAll you can tell Israel is “Duck!”
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 7:12pm@BMartin1776.. we WON’T find ourselves in this war..OBAMA wants it.. he will NOT protect Israel.. he’s the DUMBEST President we have EVER had and we had OLD JIMMY..
Report Post »WHITE LOTUS2x
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 7:20pmGhost: Remember the October Crisis in 62. Sometimes you have to act with what you know.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 7:25pmNickDeringer: Oh yeh, just ask the Navy Sailors on board the USS Liberty.. They know exactly what terrorists Jews will do.
Report Post »taskmaster78
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 7:30pmWho’s the little monkey holding the sign? Oh that‘s right it’s the cross eyed leader of Iran. Oh silly me.
Report Post »1TrueOne55
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 8:55pmHamas must be working on a new Blackade running flotilla and these are the security. Or they are supplying Syria with fissile material for a new Nuclear facility. They could also be planning to supply Syria with longer range missiles by sea.
They might also be doing what we did with Taiwan when China threatened them during the Bush admin by placing advanced technology ships in harbors to use their anti missile defense systems to fend off any potential attack, but with Iran it might be covert assistance to let Syria attack Israel from the Golan Heights and Lebenon and these destroyers would have anti-air capabilities that could cover at least Northern Israel from Israeli air support.
This could get really hairy and fast.
Report Post »ClaytonDM
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 8:58pm@RamonPreston
“There is another solution:humiliate Iran. Send 2 Israeli warships to escort the Iraqi warship to its destination for protection.This should burn their behinds.”
My thoughts exactly, although I was thinking 4. I’ll also throw my lot in with those advising *against* a preemptive strike by Israel. That would be sheer folly to say the least.
Report Post »Timekeeper
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 9:14pmI agree – WE have tried diplomacy, along with many others. Iran has been defiant and beligerant the whole time. The threatening still continues. It IS TIME to break out a large can of whoopa$$ and set them back 20 years or more. Take out command and control, take out the reactors, take out military installations and take out the guard. If not US, who? If not now, when?
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 9:19pmWhen Iran provokes Israel, and they eventually will, they will be opening a can of worms that will never again be re-canned. I grew up in Miami Beach when it was predominately a Jewish community and have a deep and abiding respect for the Jewish people. They always treated me well. My only hope is that Obama will not turn his back on Israel when the Iranians start their bloodletting! The loss of Israel as an ally would be a disgrace and the United States would never again be believed in the world of international relations. Of course, that would be okay with Jimmy Carter!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 9:48pm@ TECH…..are you talking about the quasi-false-flag operation where Israel attacked the USS liberty with the permission of Lydon Johnson. Ultimately, to justify entry of the USA into the 6 day war by blaming Egyptian forces?? However, this never came to fruition because the war was ended very quickly…..
Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty.[5] Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute these official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[6] and it remains “the only maritime incident in U.S. history where [U.S.] military forces were killed that was never investigated by the [U.S.] Congress.”[7]
Report Post »theCREATORisGOD
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 11:36pmOkay TECH…11, You my friend get the prize for the most ignorant comments on one page! And that is pretty hard to do with all the trolls on this site. If you really believe that Israel has nukes pointed at America then you are severely disillusioned and completely mind controlled. Of course Israel has billions of our dollars! We gladly give it to them each and every year in the open with smiles on our faces! It’s no secret! We are their strongest ally and greatest protector, we will stop at nothing, whatever the cost to protect them. All your little facts and theories fail to do one thing, recognize that the Israelis are the Lord’s chosen people and public enemy number one to people like the muslim brotherhood and Ahmadinejad and we have signed an unbreakable pact to protect them from those that wish to wipe them (and us) off the face of the map. Why would they have their nukes pointed at their best friend when they have far greater enemies as neighbors to worry about?
You are like most liberals I know, you can quote treaties and years and facts but fail to see the Lord’s hand in world affairs and accept that some things happen by divine intervention and cannot be explained or refuted. When the nations of Russia, Iran, Sudan and Libya all treaty up and attempt to invade Israel and vaporize them the world will witness the greatest retreat of the invading forces and victory of the smallest middle eastern country that the world has ever seen! Don’t believe me, read Revelations and then get back to me…
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:17am@ GHOSTOFJEFFERSON….
Report Post »there have been quite a few responses to your reasonable post, but the fact remains, we have a President who is completely unconcernerned for global policy within his own thinking, he leaves that exclusively to his cabinet. Being that the United States is (was) the only ally to Israel, and Israel’s only ally seems to have abandoned Her, this will embolden Ack-ma-din-a-jad to zealotly carry out his plan to bring the 12th Imam by throwing his…“manhood” out right in the face of Israel as his ships pass by within telescopic viewing distance. Israel has no time nor patience for such games, and will blow those ships (probably devoid of any meaningful crew or cargo) out of her waters. Of course this will start a global conflict, but what choice does Israel have considering the threats made by Iran in the last 4 years concerning Israel’s wipe off the map? Of COURSE this is blatent provacation, and of COURSE Israel will do what she must. In absence of ANY supportave voice from Washington, she stands alone, and if you have ever seen a fight where a “big bully” corners and threatens a smaller, “weaker’ opponant, the “weakling” often displays a fit of rage so profound, it is surprising he doesn’t end up killing the bully. An islamic califate against tiny Israel certainly qualifies that example in my book.
My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:28amBluefish49
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:09pm
To GhostofJefferson….you are of the “can’t we all just hug and get along generation”. The Irainian‘s have already proven they can’t be trusted. I say fire a salvo over the bows…if they don’t turn around turn them into the newest fishing reef in the Med.
I would say ‘you must be new here’, but i’ve seen you before. GHOST AIN‘T a ’***-by-ya’ kinda guy, not at all, and he speaks reason. I happen to not agree with his reason at this time, but he is one to consider in his thoughts and opinions. Listen to him wisely and never consider him foolish.
Report Post »To think one of wisdom as foolish is to sniff the cheese in the trap.
My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:40amBluefish49
Posted on February 16, 2011 at 3:34pm
Really…Ghost and Techengineer go to another site with your babble…it’s not welcome here. Perhapes MSNBC.
Ok, Now you piss me off. if you are going to just be a sycophantic blowhard who tells an intellent poster to shut up, then as a Marine, i’m goin to ask you to ask me permission to tell them to shut up. To my face. If you can grow the sack to do so. There are many “cut-and-post’ retards on here that you can attack, but to baselessly attack someone with a smart opinion is uncalled for. i served in the Marine Corps so that Americans may have the right to speak., among other things. Yes, i refudiate those who abuse those rights by calling for the downfall of the Constitution which gives them said rights, and they deserve evry word I sling in their ungreatful face. But who you attack, they are different. Have respect for a differing opinion, if it is thought provocing and intellegent, and voice your counter-opinion as thoughtfully as they.
Report Post »Be smart. Speak as an adult, not as a child. So far, you do not impress me.
Hollow
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:24amI don’t like Israel or Iran but Iran has the right to use the Suez Canal. If Israel nuked Iran that would start another Israel and that Israel would probably lose.
silentwatcher
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:15amIsrael, when threatened, has demonstrated that they will strike fast and VERY hard. But they also have a history of RESTRAINT. But when a threat becomes more than, they will not hesitate to act. Iran is very aware of Israel’s strike policies. They will do everything they can to provoke but not strike. You can bet Irans second battery of missiles will be nuke tipped. Israel knows this and they have theirs ready at the helm, as well. Israel has, in the past, shown that they will have nuke armed jets in the air when threats become very real. Israel has stated that they will render their own grounds unliveable in the event of destruction. Don’t push Israel too far,,,she will rip your throat out.
Report Post »ProgessiveFail
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:52pmWhat are the capabilities of these “warships”? Those tubs look like a joke to me compared to the United States Navy.
Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:31pmBlast the ships or iran in general? The ships are just posturing, iran is obviously worried that egypt will become more westernized after the protests making iran more alone in the middle east. The spreading of weapons and funds is far more troublesome from a u.s. or israeli point of view.
Report Post »COGPKINAL
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:51pmIran will attempt to attack Israel. It’s Biblical. Ezekiel 38:1-23 explains how Russia, Iran, Syria, and Libya will join forces to try to wipe Israel off the map. They don’t win though, God kicks their tailfeathers!
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:00pmThis is so bogus. Iranian ships are allowed in international waters, just like US, Israeli, Chinese or Russian ships. Or anyone else’s. If the ship breaches Israeli waters or comes perillously close to an Israeli boat in int’l waters that is a different story. Otherwise, there is no justification for Israel’s position.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 5:31pmtheCREATORisGOD: I use to think exactly like you and most on these threads. The fact is that we now live under a Jewish Apartheid and we have no choice about whether or not we support Israel. I‘m sorry that it sounds so wacko and that we’ve been so brainwashed by t heir Media but it is the truth. I too was stunned beyond belief when I first discovered it. It’s heavy stuff but the truth will eventually come out.
Report Post »theCREATORisGOD
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 10:40pm@Tech,
There is no text more heavy than the bible! You should try picking one up and reading it sometime, because you seem to be so far gone and lost beyond belief that there is no reasoning with you. My mind can not deter that far from the truth to try to reason with you. Sorry, you’re going to have to take your argument to someone who does not understand biblical prophecy as it relates to the middle east. My gov’t does not have me brainwashed to support Israel, it is my belief in God and His Words that require my unrelenting support for His people.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:36pmis he still protesting Valentines day ?
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