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Is ‘Evangelicals for Mitt’ a ‘Thinly Disguised Extension of the Romney Campaign?’

Some Experts Allege That Evangelicals for Romney Is Connected to the Campaign

It’s no secret that Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney has traditionally struggled to gain support among American evangelicals. While he has faced a uphill battle in this area, a pro-Romney group called “Evangelicals for Mitt” launched in 2005 to help garner support among Christian factions.

The web site, which was founded by Nancy and David French, a couple from Columbia Tennessee, provides a platform for evangelical support for Romney. In addition to a blog, the French family writes for and appears on media outlets to defend Romney and his policies. While they describe their efforts as independent, unofficial and “grassroots,” others wonder if these characterizations are, indeed, true. “We are nothing. We are a group of friends,” Nancy French says.

The group’s “About Us” page corroborates these claims:

Evangelicals for Mitt is, first and foremost, a group of friends.  We aren’t part of the Romney campaign, though we’ve been working to bring Mitt and Ann Romney to the White House since 2005.  Why?  Quite simply because he’s the best presidential candidate we’ve seen in a long time.

According to Time Magazine, some campaign finance experts may not be buying into these statements, as they question whether the pro-Romney group is “a thinly disguised extension of the Romney campaign.” Fred Wertheimer, founder and President of Democracy 21, is one individual who is curious about the Frenches’ attachments. “They appear to be able to spend lots of money, but won’t say where it comes from,” he says. “It is circumstantial evidence, but it suggests this is a shell group for a Romney operation.”

Some Experts Allege That Evangelicals for Romney Is Connected to the Campaign

A screen shot from the "Evangelicals for Mitt" web site

Time has more about the connections that are leading some, like Wertheimer, if there is an official relationship to the campaign:

The Frenchs are also quietly linked to two wealthy Romney donors in Massachusetts, John Kingstonand Kurt Keilhacker, and all four have close ties to Romney’s campaign funding organization through a web of companies and nonprofits. Among other things, the four operate a Christian nonprofit organization that raises money out of a building in Beverly, Mass., at 138 Conant Street. The company that handles the Romney campaign’s finances shares that same address.

David and Nancy French come from modest means. Evangelicals for Mitt, however, has made news by spending serious money. The group tipped the scales in favor of Romney at the April 2010 Southern Republican Leadership Conference straw poll in New Orleans by buying at least 200 tickets for Romney supporters at a total cost of nearly $40,000. It handed out 800 copies of Romney’s book “No Apology” and 2,000 Evangelicals for Mitt piggybanks. Attendees who took up the offer speculated in the press that Evangelicals for Mitt must have found them via Romney’s campaign e-mail contact list.

Some Experts Allege That Evangelicals for Romney Is Connected to the Campaign

Nancy French explained the massive expenditures away, saying that “friends” had assisted the couple in being able to spend to monumentally. She has also declined to share the source of the money, though the obvious assumption among those who are skeptical is that it came from the Romney campaign.

As far as the non-profit organization goes, it’s called SixSeeds. Interestingly, the group’s tax records show that its treasurer is Bradley Crate, who, coincidentally, is also the chief financial officer of the Romney campaign.

Experts also claim that Nancy and David may be in their jurisdiction to decline to share their group’s expenditures, as the majority of their work is confined to the “Evangelicals for Mitt” web site and media appearances. The Federal Election Commission, though, could investigate, Time reports. This decision would depend on how the group raises money. So far, “Evangelicals for Mitt” isn’t registered as a political group or a non-profit entity.

With Romney’s support coming in so low among “born-again” and evangelical voters across America, it is quite possible that the campaign has enlisted the help of a “grassroots” group to help shore up support. That being said, it’s also possible that the Frenches are what they claim — passionate supports who simply have connections to the Romney camp.

Read more about the Frenches and connections to the Romney campaign here.

Comments (104)

  • your sensei
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 8:47pm

    They appear to spend a lot of money without saying where it comes from.
    Gee, that’s a tough one. Oh, wit, Karl Rove. Done.
    Next question.

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  • TTEXASTYLER
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 5:46pm

    I have a challenge for every liberty-loving patriot on this site. GO to a Mormon church this Sunday and sit in the pews and listen to the sermons. Go to their BIBLE study class. Shake a few hands and ask a lot of questions. If you are Mormon, go to an evangelican church and DO THE SAME! It is time we united on our values and stopped casting a wary eye at each other. Christians (whether orthodox or not) have bigger fish to fry if we want to keep our children free. Yes, I have practiced what I am preaching…and I felt God’s spirit at EACH worship service.

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    • jsciai
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 6:48pm

      Beautiful challange. I have done this and I agree totally. We have more in common with our christian brothers than we know. I came from a family of mixed religions, but all christian, and we loved and respected and appreciated each other’s faith and devotion. Satan is father of contention, alienation and fear. Our faith in Christ should bring us above all that.

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    • Clara88
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 7:38pm

      Veterans are supporting a VETERAN….Gov Rick Perry
      Our military deserves a Commander In Chief they can be PROUD of and RESPECT
      GOD BLESS OUR BRAVE MILITARY AND OUR BELOVED BRAVE VETERANS
      http://www.rickperry.org/veterans/

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    • Wolf
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:44pm

      Sorry, Clara- I‘m a vet and I’m supporting Paul, looking hard at Bachmann and Santorum. I want absolutely nothing to do with an unconstitutional pretender to the throne- we already have one on it.

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  • Rational Man
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 1:56pm

    All I can say for sure is, this Evangelical is not supporting Romney!
    And It has nothing to do with his religious beliefs.

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    • americanfirst
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 3:40pm

      That’s good – because you’re definitely going to have to suspend any real religious beliefs if you want to justify your vote for Newt!

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    • Top_Down
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 3:56pm

      This one is supporting Romney,

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    • lukerw
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 4:38pm

      The problem is… in the old days, people read & knew the Bible… but now, they are too busy, and just hire Teachers to tell them what is in it, once a week… which leads them open to Communist Propaganda, where Collective Sharing sounds just like Biblical Giving!

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  • mrsalvage2
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 1:55pm

    This is the Mitt Polar Opposite to the Obomber website that was supposed to be the place to Report and turn in his political opponents and confronters.

    Mitt is a Cultist, and His Dad was a Mexican, or was that his Grandfather?

    It is possble for an Evangelical to support a person who does not really believe in the true Messianic and Biblical nature of the Person of JESUS CHRIST, and even believes that Lucifer is equal to JESUS as his alleged Brother, but such would be a major act of a person suffering under Cognitive DIssonance.

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    • Plan B
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 2:48pm

      Just to clear things up, where do evangelicos think Satan came from. How do you describe premortal existance? When God says he knew you before you were born, what does that mean to you. Just curious, would like to understand the differences on doctrine.

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    • americanfirst
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 3:57pm

      It may be that I am incorrect here but I though the Biblical definition that Jesus Christ provided for you and me said that “…by their fruits you will know them.”
      Not what church they go to, what they call themselves or what book you’re reading. That is NOT what he said. That is what YOU said.
      Here we have a serial adulterer who was Baptist at the time of his offenses with a woman who is Catholic, whom he later married and converted to her faith. A pattern of infidelities and disloyalties to everyone but himself. To HIM we relate to!
      Then we have a Mormon who has led a stalwart life by all honest accounts. As a young man, education, family life, private sector, public service, volunteer life. But HIM – him we will crucify!

      If “fruits” are the barometer by which Jesus said we should measure a “Christian” then it is evident that as a people… we are either dramatically selfish and self-serving and will go to ridiculous lengths to dispute the obvious and justify our wrong thinking OR it is evident that we really haven’t learned a damned thing since Jesus Christ walked the Earth.
      My guess personal is – it’s not the latter of the two!

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    • PGMike
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 5:56pm

      @MRsalvage2
      Where in the world do you get the impression that Mormons think “Lucifer is equal to Jesus”? That is just ridiculous. Do Mormons think that Lucifer is a spirit child of our Father in Heaven (and therefore a brother to Jesus and all of us) and that he rebelled against God and was cast out? Absolutely, and I can show you Biblical scripture to back up that belief. But to somehow stretch that explanation as to where Satan came from to saying we believe he is equal to Jesus is just dishonest and wrong.
      As far as, “It is possible for an Evangelical to support a person who does not really believe in the true Messianic and Biblical nature of the Person of JESUS CHRIST”
      Every Mormon I know does believe in the Messianic and Biblical nature of the Person of Jesus Christ. You do not know what you are talking about as far as Mormon beliefs go. If you truly want to know what we believe go to Mormon.org or LDS.org.

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  • beardeus
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 12:37pm

    Mitt Romney is such a joke. I agree that he is a good businessman but that’s it! This guy is only a politician because he likes the prestige that goes along with it. He has FLIPPED FLOPPED so many times it is ridiculous! Here is an awesome YouTube vid showing him change his stance multiple times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9njHHyRI7g The only candidate who knows what is up and is consistent is Ron Paul. If you think otherwise you are a fool! He follows the Constitution, heard of it? Mitt and the other GOP candidates are cowards and only follow the crowd. RON PAUL 2012!

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    • beardeus
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 12:51pm

      Oh, I should mention it isn’t hard to appear as a good businessman when you come from millions. With that said, I don’t know people have an issue with him being Mormon. I don’t care what candidate America has as president as long as they desire to obey and honor our supreme law, the Constitution!

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    • Top_Down
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 1:55pm

      Sorry, if you beleive this you neglect history. The reason he went to run the Winter Olympics is because they publicly drafted him. Then while he was doing that and after he had completely turned it around a group from Massachusetts called Citizens for Limited Taxation drafted him to run for governor of Taxachusetts. And he turned that around with out raising taxes through very conservative means.

      From the Boston Globe this shows his conservative history in a liberal state: “The first signs of life appear in the Massachusetts economy and the governor calls for a $225 million tax cut.” ( http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/05/11/romneys_real_agenda_is_national/ )

      THE JOKES ON YOU, AND THE NATION IF GINGRICH IS ELECTED…

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    • americanfirst
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 3:36pm

      Well, by that measure, Mitt Romney has obeyed the law and stood stalwart by the Constitution much more than Newt Gingrich!
      Any day – every day!

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    • jsciai
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 7:03pm

      Flip flop, flippity floppity flip flip flop flip flop flop. Flop flip flipper flip floppy flippy floop. flippity floppity flip flop–flip flip ffloppflopyuf flipperyflipflop.

      Well, that’s enough about Newtie, uh, and Pauly, and Perrie and Caney and Michelley and Santorini, etc, etc, etc. They are all politicians and have all had changes in positions, growth in opinions, awakening of ideas and truths. The real test is: Is the person becoming more mature, more conservative, more ‘to the right’, more based in core beliefs. Newt? I don’t think so(see couch time with Pelosi, global warming, cap and trade, etc, etc, etc, all after he left the senate. Romney has demonstrated that ability to grow withought being so rigid as to alienate all around him. Look guys, what good is an ultra right president if he can’t get along with congress, can’t push forward a conservative direction, can’t get folks to change their minds. That was Reagan’s magic. Romney has that ability. Newt? give me a break. Even his own party–even the untra conservative ones(so don’t give me that “the Republica progressives hated Newt” line of bull–couldn’t stand him and and voted UNANIMOUSLY to oust him. Don’t be blinded by bigotry, lies and innuendo. Romney is what we need right now to get rid of Obama and change the course of this country.

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  • spamlds
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 12:05pm

    http://www.examiner.com/lds-church-in-national/everything-you-know-about-mormons-may-be-wrong

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  • ModerationIsBest
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:53am

    Funny how religion is taboo in politics….until the person doesn’t have the same beliefs as you. Then all is fair game.

    Mormonism is filled with nutbags who were duped by a con-man(literally, the guy was a con-man) that tried to pawn himself off as part of Christianity. Not only do what they believe in sound crazy, but a lot has been proven false by DNA evidence, yet there is still a mass following. They claim to believe in the same God as Christians, fact is, they don’t.

    Christianity is filled with nutbags, who follow a work of fiction that was written ages ago that mention talking snakes, burning bushes and God creating everything in 6 days(then being so powerful and mighty….he had to rest on the 7th). Their God is not moral, and is not JUST or MERCIFUL and whatever they say about following the same God of the Jews is a lie they tell themselves. Christians believe you have to believe in Jesus and that he died for our sins to be saved…..well Jews DON’T believe that, therefore you don’t believe int he same God. You just say “Jesus is God” to avoid that pesky 1st commandment.

    Judaism is filled with nutbags, who did a “buffet style” picking of other religious beliefs before their time and created a work of fiction that was centered around them.

    Come on people, give your brain more credit then this. Don’t insult it by setting fire to all of the knowledge we have gained since the time that your works of fiction were written.

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    • self-reliant man
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 12:45pm

      Wow. You’ve really done your studying from credible websites. Could you cite your sources so I could see where you got them from. Your arguments are so full of fallacies it’s not even funny.

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    • americanfirst
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 4:40pm

      Since division is NOT the objective of the non-believer.
      That GOD (?) for objectivity?!

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    • cryinginthedesert
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:34pm

      @ self reliant man. If you read the Mormon bible and even Their Own doctrinal beliefs, there is some crazy stuff out there. They believe the Native American’s were a lost tribe of Israel (it’s in the book of Mormon), they believe that Blacks were cursed by God (that is until the 70‘s when God gave a divine revelation to the prophet and said the blacks were off the hook now for Cain’s killing Able). They believe that Satan‘s was Jesus’ brother, they believe that when you die if you have been a good Mormon, so long as your spouse doesn’t bring you down to a lower level by their sins, you get to fly off and start your own world and be your own God.

      Now with all that said, as an evangelical I will have a hard time voting for Mitt if he get’s the nod because I believe that your core values are shaped by your beliefs. But, as an American, I will vote for him IF he get’s the nomination (personally I’m voting for Santorum in the primary) because even having a Mormon in office is better than what we have now. Evangelical’s should not let his religious preference deter them from voting.

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    • cryinginthedesert
      Posted on December 16, 2011 at 12:38pm

      @moderationisbest
      You have a great atheistic surface level soundbite understanding of all three religions. This is evident by saying that Christians do not believe in the same God as the Jewish people, we do. The difference is we also believe that Jesus Christ, God’s Son, was the promised messiah where as the Jewish people rejected him and are still waiting on his coming.

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  • Vechorik
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:44am

    John Holdren, now President Obama’s assistant for science and technology, once advised GOP presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney on environmental policy. Romney sought advice on global warming and carbon emissions from the president’s current science czar — an advocate of de-developing America and population control. Romney Voted for Population-Control http://cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-je…tial-candidate

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  • americanfirst
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:01am

    By the way – their website is great. Very informative. Great, compelling articles.
    http://evangelicalsformitt.org/
    here’s other really good ones..
    http://evangelicalsformitt.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/massleaders.pdf
    http://www.americaneedsmitt.com/
    http://whyromney.com/praise_new.php
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=P31tziQsEFw&feature=fvwp

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:31am

      Romney doesn’t sound like a Christian to me:

      Mitt Romney spent nearly $100,000 in state funds to replace computers in his office at the end of his term as governor of Massachusetts in 2007 as part of an unprecedented effort to keep his records secret, Reuters has learned. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/…7B500X20111206

      ———

      Romney Voted for Population-Control http://cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-je…tial-candidate

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:39am

      Instead of “Who is the best Christian?” perhaps it would be better to ask:

      “What would this person do to the Constitution?”

      They are very related and the Constitutional issue is more-easily researched by the candidate’s history.

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  • Freedomtothink
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:50am

    Fake hair, fake backgrounds on photos, fake arguments with gay guys, fake, fake.fake. Sorry, I just don’t trust fake people like Mitt, Newt or the RNC,

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:05am

      Neither do I.

      In October 2002, campaigning for governorship of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney said he would “preserve and protect” a woman’s right to choose. He now describes himself as opposing abortion.
      —————-
      Romney issued at least 189 one-day special marriage licenses to same-sex couples in 2005. He likely issued a similar number of licenses in both 2004 and 2006 but the state records for these years are not easily available. One-day marriage licenses are in effect permits issued to a couple allowing them to designate anyone they choose to officiate at the wedding. These special one-day marriage licenses are not to be confused with the thousands of regular marriage licenses granted to same-sex couples by Justices of the Peace and town clerks by order of Governor Romney in the aftermath of the Goodridge same-sex marriage decision.

      More than any other action by Romney, these special licenses demonstrated where his heart was on the same-sex marriage issue since they were purely discretionary. There was no mandate forcing Romney to issue such licenses. This calls into question his authenticity as an alleged social conservative candidate. http://www.romneyexposed.com/2011/10…e-sex-couples/

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    • Top_Down
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:14am

      If you check his background you would learn some interesting things the liberal media doesn’t want you to know. Romney has always been a defense and fiscal conservative, since before 1994, he has become a social conservative just recently. His stance on abortion was that the govt shouldn‘t be involved in a person’s choice to have abortion and that there should be ‘safe and legal’ abortions. During that time he was still ‘pro-life’, talking women out of abortions as a local religious leader. Now he believes the government should intervene in this matter since he had to veto a bill against stem cell research.

      If you are worried about his health care plan, I disagree with the individual mandate but Romney substituted a socialist plan(our welfare-medical system) where we all pay for the freeloaders with an individual mandate where all buy from private insurance companies. There are better ways to do it but that is somewhat understandable why he did it. We have to agree that our welfare-medical system right now is socialistic because we all pay for those who don’t want to pay. We don’t need to replace it with an individual mandate for people to buy their own private insurance, like Romney did, but we do need to do something to fix this problem. This was what Conservatives back 7 years ago agreed to do to fix the problem.

      Plus, Romney isn’t defending the mandate, he is defending the right for states to decide for themselves.

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    • Top_Down
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:18am

      Sorry Vector, that is false information. About abortion and gay marriage the Pilot Catholic News, disputes both of those claims as someone from yesterday pointed out. Here is the article they referenced: http://www.pilotcatholicnews.com/article.asp?ID=5105

      The article talks about Romney’s true conversion to pro-life stance and how his left wing AG would not back him on the Gay Marriage fight. So stop spreading lies.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:19am

      Solid Reasons why Mitt Romney won’t win!
      1. Obamacare was modeled after RomneyCare in MA
      2. As governor he hiked taxes, fees and fines dramatically
      3. Romney as governor increased spending by 20% in 2 years!
      4. Al Gore praises Romney for being a global warming believer
      5. Supports Cap n Trade, a policy that would devastate America
      6. As governor came in second to last in the country for job creation
      7. Supports TAARP
      8. Flooded MA with liberal democrat judges
      9. Believes in Amnesty for illegal immigrants
      10. Received advice from Obama’s Science Czar Holdren on Global Warming and mandatory abortions.
      11. Supports limiting the 2nd amendment via gun control legislation
      12. Was “more pro choice than Ted Kennedy” before he was prolife, which is/was it?
      13. Was for gay marriage before he was for civil partnerships.
      14. Set up a 527 committee funded by GEORGE SOROS (puppetmaster)
      15. Raised more lobbying funds that the whole GOP combined!
      16. Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, BOA, JP Morgan, Citigroup, give him more donations than Obama, and don’t forget, Banks made more in 2 years under Obama than Bush’s whole presidency! Who will he be beholden to? We know that answer!
      17. Endorses anti-union laws (middle America won’t like this)
      18. Working at Bain Capital, he stripped company of their assets, sold them off, and fired workers in masse!
      continued at http://www.dailypaul.com/186539/soli…omney-wont-win

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  • christos
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:49am

    …….Unfortunate elections have gotten to a place of $ not sound moral character ,,,the people in our country do not share the same values we’ve become morally insolvent which is a reflection of our debt also,everyone knows this,to bad all of this election $ is not going to create jobs for the poor and to help the poor in some manor instead it’s being wasted our country was founded on Judeo Christian values love your neghbor as yourself,love your enemies,grasp in your heart +JESUS+GOD+ infinite love for you today…PEACE OUT

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  • Vechorik
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:47am

    I don’t care about “Who is the best Christian contest” although I believe a man’s morals definitely affect the presidency.

    It’s simple to decide “who the best Christian is” by looking at a politician’s history.
    I’d say Romney is sorely lacking in the morals department — the Constitution department.

    Romney doesn’t support the 2nd amendment to keep and bear arms:
    2012 Presidential Candidates – Gun Owners Of America
    http://www.gunowners.org

    Ron Paul A+
    Rick Perry A
    Michelle Bachmann A
    Rick Santorum B-
    Newt Gingrich C
    Mitt Romney D-

    Romney also signed hundreds of gay marriage certificates that wasn’t required. It’s just something nice he wanted to do for gays. He also had to change the language on marriage certificates from “man/woman“ to partner ”A/B’.

    Romney was elected in a Democratic state and got along just fine.

    Everyone knows Romney’s healthcare vs Obama healthcare — yet they don’t seem to mind?
    What’s wrong with voters?

    Can‘t see past Romney’s nice hair?
    I’m just baffled.

    To elect Romney would be more of the same — same as Obama — Romney is “Obama lite”

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:22am

      The GOP front-runner for 2012 sought advice on global warming and carbon emissions from the president’s current science czar — an advocate of de-developing America and population control.

      Politics is said to make strange bedfellows, but no coupling in our view is more bizarre than when John Holdren, now President Obama’s assistant for science and technology, once advised GOP presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney on environmental policy.

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  • Top_Down
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:57am

    It’s funny because I know some very similar sites that are tightly connected to Ron Paul and have been there helping him every time he runs… Revolution… There are also groups like this for Perry (the one that ‘drafted’ him, and spend millions to do so), Gingrich setup his non-profit that funded his PAC earlier in the campaign, the media mentioned it and then left that alone. And then don‘t start mentioning Obama’s campaign groups. He has more groups in Iowa already (reported this morning) than all the GOP camps combined. Reported by his Iowa camp manager.

    LEFT WING MEDIA SPIN…

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    • Old Ramrod
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:11am

      Yep. Thanks, saved me the trouble.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:26am

      There are also Democrats for Romney, etc.
      Who cares. Isn’t it a free country?

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:27am

      The OWS movement is backed by funds they won’t disclose the origin of either. The same for a vast majority of the big money obama supporter contingency. Of course, we know that most of that money comes from George Soros or predetermined quanities of the ‘Bailout’, ‘stimulus’, ‘jobs’, and ‘stimulus2’ funds paid for by tax payers and provided to hundreds if not thousands of nebulous financial sector cronies.

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    • JRook
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:51am

      Perhaps. But let’s see a detailed list of all the front organizations for the Koch brothers.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:09am

      There are probably Christian groups for every candidate, but that doesn‘t mean they aren’t legitimate. I’m a member of Dr. Paul‘s forum and there’s definitely a big Christian presence there. There’s a prayer group before debates, etc.

      People judging “Who is the best Christian” would be better advised to look at RESULTS and the PAST….tells who the person is today as well.

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  • truthisbrawn05
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:48am

    I do not believe the Mormon “faith” is consistent with the Bible thereby exposing it for what it really is, false. However, I still think Mitt Romney is the best choice for President. (Now that Herman Cain is gone.) I am voting for a President, not a Pastor.

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    • Top_Down
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:59am

      That‘s right they don’t base their beliefs out of the King James version of the Bible, your right, they are religious fanatics. Stop it with the religious bigotry. This article has nothing to do with the mormons you people. It is about politics… why do you have to make it about his religion???

      WHY IS IT ALWAYS ABOUT HIS RELIGION…

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:07am

      “This article has nothing to do with the mormons you people. It is about politics… why do you have to make it about his religion???”

      Because the article in question is based on the religious affiliation of the voters, and the particular section of voters (Evangelicals) often votes based on the religious affiliation and views of the candidate? I mean, you can lament it all you want, but religion is important to many many people; much more so than experience (Gingrich), sound fiscal policy (Paul), or image (Romney).

      In a perfect world, it wouldn’t matter. The world is far from perfect.

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    • truthisbrawn05
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:08am

      Hey clueless, I just said it wasn’t about his religion. I said I think he’s the best choice for President. Maybe you should read my whole quote. And yes, the article is about religion. It is about evangelicals supporting Romney.

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    • Top_Down
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:14am

      Not clueless, I was backing up your claim and asking why does everything about Romney have to be about his religion. All the posts before show that people keep bringing it up. I am a strong Christian and believe people need to get over it. If anything it should be a positive. I’ve know very few Mormons that are not top notch people.

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    • Top_Down
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:18am

      So I reread my post and I can see how that got misconstrued. I was agreeing with you and venting a little frustration with the rhetoric. Thanks for setting me straight.

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    • truthisbrawn05
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:38am

      @top_down Nice to hear from a Christian with a logical point of view. Too many Christians on here base it on their little religious talking points that make themselves feel better and serve only to give themselves a sense of righteousness which only comes through Christ anyway. I like Romney because he seems to be a real leader and he’s very smart. I think Newt is lacking in leadership and possibly sincerity.

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    • americanfirst
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:54am

      Not that it matters – but Mitt being Mormon just kind of raises his stock with me.
      Sure there is good and bad people in every religion but Mormons generally seem to do it better than most and Mitt in particular.
      Exceptional man, exceptional family!
      He’s got my vote.

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  • rotcarpenter
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:48am

    Excellent work, Blaze! Had to get in one Mitt story to cool down the constant Newt bashing that has been exploding from Glenn’s mouth lately. We must remember that Glenn predicted Obama winning a second term and apparently Glenn’s predictions are more important to him than actually allowing the political process to play out.

    Hate or Love Newt he has been the easily the best debater and conservatives are tired of getting a candidate that sounds like he failed second grade multiple times.

    There is still time for someone else to rise in the polls Santorum has been doing a grass roots campaign in Iowa and Ron Paul has always been a strong constant number so nothing is over yet but the focused efforts against Newt after he completely slayed Romney in the ABC debate gives me some concern about Glenn’s motives.

    Newt is a conservative that strays to moderate ideals and Romney is a moderate strays to conservatives ideals. You can make the decision who is better.

    My only concern is people willingly (even Beck) to vote 3rd party so Obama will without a shadow of a doubt get a 2nd term. Is Newt really as dangerous as Obama? The Tea Party can sway him and force him to the right while we have no control over what Obama does. Wake up people and don’t be sheeple to Glenn. Liked his show better when he didn’t take life so seriously and had more comedy.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:01am

      “We must remember that Glenn predicted Obama winning a second term and apparently Glenn’s predictions are more important to him than actually allowing the political process to play out.”

      To be fair, there’s around a 75% of a sitting president getting re-elected (going by the statistics of the last century or so). With a relatively weak GOP nominee pool (because stronger opponents are playing these odds too and no one wants to risk a 25% chance of victory), Beck’s simply stating the facts. Romney is probably the only candidate besides Ron Paul with a chance of popular support. It’s not much of a surprise that the majority of the right dislikes them; they’re not conservative enough for the base, but ironically it’s because of that feature that those two appeal to the masses.

      Newt is just a diversion with no chance with anyone. I keep hoping for Ron Paul, but I’m realistic enough to expect Romney to be the candidate and have a 1-in-4 chance of winning. Hopefully we’ll get lucky.

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    • rotcarpenter
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:30am

      Paul is going have a hard time with his foreign policy. Once your average voter hears his take on radical Islam its going to de-rail him to a large majority of Americans. That being said he is the best on the fed and economy. I just wish he understood that the threat of radical Islam and how they drive by religion and can’t be reasoned with.

      Can‘t agree with Glenn’s stance that he’d vote for Romney but not Newt. He calls the Tea Party “racist” for voting for Newt and not Obama. Which was probably the dumbest thing that has ever left his mouth. If we like it or not we only have a two party system that stands a chance. I personality think anyone who wins will makes some cuts and reduce the government. The scale depends on who’s elected though.

      My pluses for Newt is he handles the media and attacks quite well. I think we learned from his mistakes on how the Clintons turned him into this villainous monster. Can Paul handle constant mainstream media painting him as loon and using his foreign policy (if you like it or not a vast majority of the his voter block doesn’t agree with him ) to paint him in the same cycle as Michael Moore. Which he is. Wish his son was running instead of him… He just doesn’t have the personality to be the candidate. Is it fair this is how we pick people? No but its what we must face.

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  • Mandors
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:38am

    Oh please. The ENTIRE mainstream media is an extension of the Obama administration, so who cares if Romney IS behind this.

    And everyone stop the RINO crap. If you don’t want Obama for another four years, grow the hell up, hold your noses, and vote for someone who is 80 percent of what you want and can win.

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  • zoro51
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:35am

    dont worry the ROMULAN was NOT foretold NO MORMAN CULT person will EVER be A president.. let them WASTE money n watch n learn as they ALL go down except for 1 perry who WAS foretold as the next president…

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  • TRONINTHEMORNING
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:24am

    If one believes the Mormon theology, then that one is not saved by grace by Jesus Christ. It’s that simple.

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    • Steelhead
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:38am

      so that leaves you all with Newt a serial adulterer and the ultimate K street insider born again grampa. Obama will crush Newt

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    • brdatwork2
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:42am

      Whatever!! More Mormon hatred….

      Mormons believe in the grace of Christ. They also know that it doesn’t stop there. God does not want a faith that is empty and hypocritical. “You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone.” (James 2:24)

      Mormons believe in the grace of God, but also understand that faith is just the starting point. In order to truly be a follower of Christ requires works as well.

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    • mad_hatter_
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:45am

      Sorry, you must be ignorant to think Mormon‘s don’t believe that they are saved by Grace and only through Jesus Christ. That is what their church is based on. Look it up from the source.

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    • TRONINTHEMORNING
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:47am

      How much did you pay for your crystal ball, STEELHEAED?

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    • TRONINTHEMORNING
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:53am

      Sorry to disappoint, but I don’t hate Mormons or anyone else. Just sharin’ what I know to be true.

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    • brdatwork2
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:00am

      Well, I am here telling you that “What you know to be true” is actually….false!!

      Grow up, do some studying beyond the Mormon hate sites and be honest. Otherwise, stop spreading lies and untruths.

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    • Steelhead
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:01am

      Tran- the die was cast when the tea party split the republican vote. that’s why Obama will win again. no crystal balls were used it’s just common sense

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    • TRONINTHEMORNING
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:12am

      @BRD..

      Simple question, how do you get to Heaven?

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    • brdatwork2
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:24am

      @TRON

      I could write a Thesis length response to your inquiry, but I know one thing is for sure….whatever I write will not convince you of anything. We are both set in our own “correctness” and will only try to convince or belittle the other.

      You obvioously have an agenda with that question….what would you like to hear??

      Here is the simple answer:
      First: Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
      Second: Repentence (true repentence)
      Third: Baptism by immersion for the remission of your sins (as Jesus himself did)
      Fourth: Laying on of hand for the gift of the Holy Ghost

      My purpose is not to convince you of my rightness or your wrongness (please excuse my vocabulary) but to just stop hating on Mormons. Whenever an article about Mitt comes out the same dismissive comments can be seen over and over again in the comment section “Mormons aren’t Christian”. These kinds of statements are based on someone else perception (judegements) of Mormons and their beliefs….not about the candidate Mitt Romney. If Mormons were to act the same way, they would be saying that YOU aren‘t Christian because YOU don’t believe like a Mormon.

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    • TRONINTHEMORNING
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:30am

      Thank you for your reply, BRD…I go with the first answer and only the first answer. That is what my Bible teaches and what the Holy Spirit makes true in a person who has accepted Christ as Saviour.

      You’ll get no hate from me–as I stated. And I do wish you a Merry Christmas!

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 6:22pm

      @TRONINTHEMORNING

      You said (to BRD): “Simple question, how do you get to Heaven?”

      Here is the answer right from the Book of Mormon.

      >> And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent. <> Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. << (Matt. 7:21)

      Mormons believe exactly what Jesus said – We must have faith and do the will of God in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

      It's right there in the Bible.

      Marvel

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  • marcintenn
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:22am

    TRI-0X, Mormons aren’t your brand of self-righteous Christianity but they are Christian in every other sense of the word. For Romney to reach out to the few Evangelicals and Muslims and Jews and Mormons and Hindus and Atheists and all other people who recognize an honest man when they see one is a pretty good idea. Romney is the best man for the job. He’s honest and has no skeletons. Everyone else is too polarizing and won’t win the general election.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:48am

      “Mormons aren’t your brand of self-righteous Christianity but they are Christian in every other sense of the word.”

      Mormons are as Christian as Muslims are, if you judge based on Scripture. Both religions claim the same basis (the Bible), added in a new prophet after the death of Christ, and added new religious texts. Both believe in Jesus and worship Him, but both radically differ from mainstream Christianity when it comes to what Jesus represents (Muslims say he’s not the living incarnation of God but was still the Messiah, Mormons say God physically impregnated Mary and that after resurrecting, Jesus went to live on his own planet somewhere in the galaxy).

      I have no problem with Mormons as people, nor many of their actions based on their faith, but just as I don’t call Muslims Christians, I also don’t call Mormons Christians.

      All that said, there’s nothing wrong with people of other faiths supporting him, and I agree that Romney is likely the only candidate who could win the general election. Besides Ron Paul, but the GOP will probably not select him as their candidate.

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    • brdatwork2
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:58am

      @LOCKED
      You asserted: “Mormons say God physically impregnated Mary and that after resurrecting, Jesus went to live on his own planet somewhere in the galaxy”

      HUH???

      You’re an idiot and have no understanding of something that you arespouting about. Go do some research outside of Mormon hating sites and pastors. Go to the source (lds.org) and find what you are asserting. I dare you!!

      You will be searching for a very long time….

      STOP THE MORMON HATE!!

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:15am

      @BRDATWORK2

      Look, we can do this easily.
      1. Does God have a physical body? Yes or no.
      2. Was Mary impregnated by Him? Yes or no.
      3. Does the Mormon Book of Abraham not state the following:
      “2 And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it;
      3 And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all…
      …
      23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good…
      24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God…”

      4. Do those passages not say that God resides near the star Kolob, and that He will make the spirits of His followers into rulers, and some are “like unto God”?

      Note: I am NOT mocking Mormonism at all. I’m quoting it. It’s downplayed, sure, much like some of the more iffy stories in the Old Testament are downplayed in Christianity. But nothing I said is wrong; the only response I’ve ever received was “stop hating Mormons!” I don’t at all; so tell me if something is wrong here, instead of coming out and crying about Mormon hate. I’d be happy to have you correct my reading of your religious text.

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    • brdatwork2
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:38am

      @LOCKED

      The metaphor of stars as souls and Jesus as the greatest star is similar to the way Lucifer is referred to as a star fallen from heaven in Isaiah of the Old Testament.

      Isaiah 14:12-15
      12How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

      13 You said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.

      14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.

      15 But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.

      Haters ALWAYS focus on the obscure doctrine that is difficult to explain and understand and try to make Mormons look foolish. This is what Mormon haters do…..ALWAYS. You may think you’re not a hater, but your words betray you.

      Focus on Mitt the candidate and his accomplishments (or lack thereof) and stop spreading Mormon hate.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:51am

      Coming from someone who thinks that Lucifer is the name of the devil, I’m not too worried about being called a “hater”. Word to the wise: your understanding of Christianity is pretty flimsy. Lucifer refers to two things only: a Babylonian king who wore enough jewelry and gold to shine like the morning star, and a title for Jesus Himself at the end of days.

      It’s been conflated over the centuries to be a name for the devil, often because of terrible translations like the KJV.

      I do find it interesting that you call it a metaphor though and refused to answer the questions I asked. But I’m not here to debate philosophy with you. I simply stated my piece: Mormonism is as Christian a religion as Islam, if you go by the Bible as your basis.

      That says nothing about Romney as a candidate because for me, religious views don’t matter. The fiscal views are what matter to me (that and Constitutional rights). But many voters don’t think that way, which is why we have article likes this, where Romney is having a tough time garnering support among fundamentalist Christians.

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    • etoddt
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:00am

      @Locked – No.. not even close.

      “Mormons are as Christian as Muslims are…”
      Muslims don’t claim to be Christian – they deny Christ as a Savior. In Islam, only “God” is great – Christ they admit was the Messiah, but insist was not divine. Mormons believe in Christ as the Son of God, their Savior, and Creator of the world – he is divine. That’s a pretty big distinction.

      “Both religions claim the same basis (the Bible)…”
      Yes, Muslim do claim the Old Testament as a basis for their faith, but then completely rewrite the vast majority of it. They eliminate the covenant of Abraham with the children of Isaac and Jacob, reject huge chunks of Israelite prophecy, and change all passages on the divinity of the Messiah and ultimately the words of Christ himself. Their claim to the Bible is rhetorical, not doctrinal.

      Mormons, however, maintain the legitimacy of both the Old and New Testament. The old King James Version is actually the preferred interpration, and all additions seek only to clarify passages within scripture, not rewrite the whole of it. You need to do a side by side comparison of the Qu’ran to the Book of Mormon to see that their intentions are completely different.

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    • etoddt
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:02am

      “..added in a new prophet after the death of Christ..”
      Yes, both claim “prophets” after Christ (which isn’t an un-Biblical position by the way). Muslims, however, claim Mohammad to be a greater prophet than Christ and that his writings replace the Bible. Mormon prophets (like Joseph Smith) claimed revelation from Chirst, but never to be his equal, and continue to avow the Bible as the word of God. Another important distinction.

      “Both believe in Jesus and worship Him..”
      Exaggeration – Muslims do NOT worship Jesus. They revere their version of him as a prophet – a Christ that never claimed to be divine and that will return slay all those who deny Mohammad. Mormons, on the other hand, do worship Jesus – the same Jesus who suffered in Gethsemane, died on the cross, and was Resurrected.

      “Mormons say God physically impregnated Mary and that after resurrecting..”
      Mormons do NOT believe that God physically impregnated Mary. If you’re honest in your research on the issue, you’ll admit that there is no official position on the matter. Mormons don’t claim to know what happened – there is only speculation on the matter.

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    • etoddt
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:02am

      However, some (like yourself evidently) choose to take statements from Brigham Young and Orson Pratt and conclude that this constitutes the Mormon position the virgin birth. Luckily, more is required for an idea to become accepted doctrine than to be said at one point by leaders in the Church. You’ve obviously never talked to a Mormon about what they believe.

      “Jesus went to live on his own planet somewhere in the galaxy..”
      Again, speculation and opinions – not doctrinal.

      Muslim are not, have never, and will never claim to be Christians. They do not believe Christ is their savior.

      Mormons are not Orthodox Christians – they do not hold to the orthodox interpretration of Christian scripture and understanding of God. Regardless, they are, have been, and will always claim to be Christian. To say Islam and Mormonism are the same is specious and untrue.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:15am

      @Etoddt

      I notice that with every point you brought up, it was “Yes, but…”

      Obviously there are differences between the two; they’re two entirely different religions made by entirely different peoples (Arabs from the 6th century versus Americans from the 19th century). But the basic outline is the same. The Bible wasn’t the end of the story, a new prophet shows up and creates a new holy text, and that text updates and takes priority over the Bible.

      “Christian” religions… Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox, take your pick… do not do this.

      Or, one could argue, they don’t do it to the same extent. One could argue that Saul/Paul held a very similar role in the beginning of Christianity. I’m not making that argument, but many Mormons I’ve talked with go “Yeah? Well didn’t Jesus himself do the same thing to the Torah?” I find that a silly argument, but I figure I’ll throw it out in case it gets that far.

      Again. Not hating on Mormons. Simply saying “This is why Christians don’t consider Mormons as Christians.” Islam does the same thing.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 11:17am

      @Etoddt

      “To say Islam and Mormonism are the same is specious and untrue.”

      Good thing I never said this. I specifically said “Mormonism is as Christian as Islam is” and later “they do the same thing” (in regards to the aforementioned quote). To say that I said they are the same is specious and untrue.

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    • etoddt
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 1:10pm

      @Locked

      I appreciate your asides about this not being a personal bash on Mormons – I think this shows that you‘re attempting to express a genuine belief and I’ll respect that.

      However, you seem to be mistaken – I wasn’t agreeing with you or making concessions on the points you brought up. And to dismiss everything I said with a “Yes, but..” is lazy. Each of your points had a kernal of truth and each was also missing the point. Making vague comparisons isn’t appropriate in this situation.

      How can Muslims, who don’t claim Christ, Christian belief, scripture, or religion, be just as Christian as people who do? How can a religion that rejects 90% of traditional Christian belief be the same as one that rejects 10%? How is that not vague slightly offensive place to stand?

      “The Bible wasn’t the end of the story, a new prophet shows up and creates a new holy text, and that text updates and takes priority over the Bible.”
      Mormons don’t believe the Book of Mormon takes precedence over the Bible. You‘re looking for patterns that aren’t there.

      And why do you presume the Bible must be the end of the story? Did early Christians even believe that? Seems they were waiting for the Second Coming of Christ, which hasn’t yet occurred. So why is story over with John?

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    • etoddt
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 1:31pm

      “To say that I said they are the same is specious and untrue.”

      You said “Mormons are as Christian as Muslims are..” This is the statement I was referring to when I said “To say Islam and Mormonism are the same is specious and untrue.” You do, in fact, infer that they are the same in regard to how Christian they are.

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  • FunToBeHere
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:15am

    Yep, those Mormons are not Christians – even though the official name of their church is, “The Church of Jesus Christ, of Latter Day Saints.” And those non-Christian Mormons carry Bibles around with them along with another book, “The Book of Mormon – Another Testament of Christ”. And those non-Christian Mormons also end all of their prayers, “In the name of Jesus Christ”. Actually, I’m kind of confused. I thought that in order to be a Christian, you had to believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. I guess I was wrong because that would describe Mormons…

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    • reneelepage
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:16am

      Exactly. Last time I checked, if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9). That is what defines a Christian.

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    • marvel
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 6:33pm

      I just confessed out loud (once more, to be sure) that Jesus is the Christ. Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ, the Son of God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, the Savior of the World, the Judge of both the quick and the dead, and the Lord of the whole Universe.

      So, I think I am covered. But just to be on the safe side, I also have decided to actually follow the teachings of Christ to the best of my ability, relying wholly upon his merits in the end to save me.

      I am a Mormon.

      Marvel

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  • spudwhite
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:15am

    If this is true, it speaks volumes to the issue of Romney’s character. The media love him, which should make any Tea Party or other patriotic American run the opposite direction from him. In the last “debate” once again the MSM choose who received the most time — guess who got the most and who got the least! Here’s the results–
    http://www.dawnoftheweak.com/2011/12/abc-news-debate-121011.html

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    • slr4528
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:18am

      Oh give me a break…..

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    • Top_Down
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:54am

      Check your facts, Politico(the ones that killed Cain) and Washington Posts have been putting up love-fest articles all over the place in favor of Gingrich. Probably because they know he would be easier to stop than Romney. The left is boosting him right now, why do you think that it.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 8:59am

    Looks like RINO Romney identified his weakness,the evangelicals, and he’s trying to gain some traction with that group.There isn’t much difference between Mitt & Newt both big government RINOS.Four more years of Barry and we get to the depression faster than with either Mitt or Newt.

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    • slr4528
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:20am

      How can Romney be big government when he was only a governor for 4 years and he never worked in Washington. He has spent decades in the private sector making companies profitable. The last thing a private sector guy is Big government intrusive regulations.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:34am

      Look as Romney’s record as Governor in a Democratic state — he fit right in! He’s a DEMOCRAT for goodness sake! Haven’t you looked at his record?

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on December 13, 2011 at 8:54am

    Evangelical Christians, and practicing Christians in general have a huge problem with the fact that Romney is not a Christian – Mormons are not Christians.

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    • brdatwork2
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:21am

      Here we go again. REALLY??

      You saying that Mormons are not Christians is like a rapper saying Nat King Cole isn’t “black ‘enough” because he didn’t sing about “the hood”!!

      Mormons believe in Christ and follow his teachings. Because you don‘t believe like them or follow Christs teachings the way they do doesn’t make them any less Christian.

      Stop your hatred of Mormons, it’s ugly to see.

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    • Steelhead
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:23am

      mitt knows he has no chance in Iowa even though his morals and family life put Newt to shame

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    • PGMike
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:29am

      @TRI-OX
      As a faithful, lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) I can assure you that we are indeed Christian.
      “And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.” 2 Nephi 25:26 (The Book of Mormon)
      While it is true that our understanding of the Doctrine of Christ may differ from other Christians we too look to Him as our Savior and Redeemer and the absolute source of our salvation.
      Anyone who wishes to learn the truth about our beliefs can visit mormon.org.
      This constant drum beat by other Christians telling me what I do or do not believe is tiring. Mormons are Christians, even if we do not understand the scriptures in the exact same manner of main stream Christianity.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:55am

      Mormons are as Christian as Muslims are. Both religions take their religious foundation from the Bible, add in a prophet who claims divine guidance, and creates a new religious book that adds to the foundation with information that supplants anything it contradicts from the Bible.

      I like the lessons from Mormonism more than those from Islam, but I don’t call either of them “Christianity.“ It would be like calling Christians ”Jewish” because Christians also happen to believe in the Old Testament. It tells only part of the story, and glosses over what many in the religion would consider “the most important part.”

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    • brdatwork2
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:03am

      @LOCKED

      WOW Locked…you really just compared Mormonism to Muslims. This exposes your hatred of Mormons for all to see. Stop your hatred and do some research beyond the Mormon hating sites. You will find that they are more Christian than what you currently believe and are very devout in their faith in Christ and following His commandments.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:24am

      @Brdatwork2

      I‘m starting to think you’re just a troll, but tell me if I’m wrong. I already said I don’t hate Mormons and agree with their values much more than those of Islam. But does Mormonism not:
      1. Use the Bible as its basis
      2. Have a prophet claiming divine guidance centuries after the death of Christ and the finalization of the New Testament
      3. The prophet then establishes a new holy text
      4. Where the holy text differs from the Bible, the newer text is followed (ie, Bible says Christ ascends to Heaven, BoM says Christ told some Jews to build ships and sail across the sea)

      Islam does the exact same thing. I am not comparing the negative portions of religion, or the actions of their followers at all. I’m simply comparing how they go far beyond what mainstream Christianity considers holy text.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 10:35am

      ..and it’s against his religion to BET, so how much of a Morman is Romney anyway?

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    • americanfirst
      Posted on December 13, 2011 at 4:08pm

      Mormons really ARE Christian! That is eveidenced by their fruits.
      Anybody who says otherwise isn’t objective nor do they do their own thinking!!!!
      All ANYBODY has to do is walk into ANY Mormon church and just sit in and listen to what they expound, teach and exhort.
      You don’t even have to be baptised to do that!
      Short of that, how will you know? secondary information by those who claim to know, right?
      Not objective! Not for a real seeker of truth.
      Mormons are very Christian and maybe more Christian than your average Christian. FACT!

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