Is Jesus Christ a Republican — or a Democrat?
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Editor’s Note: This is a crosspost from Beliefnet.com. It was composed by Rob Kerby, Senior Editor, Beliefnet.
There’s a bit of debate about Jesus’ politics these days.
“Jesus would send all these right-wing pseudo-Christians straight to hell,” writes Jack Clark.
“I can prove Jesus was a Republican,” writes Darrin Yaeger.
Jesus changed everything, notes author John Ortberg in his new book Who Is This Man? “He is history’s most familiar figure. His impact on the world is immense and not a coincidence. And yet, Jesus did not brashly defend His movement in the spirit of a rising political leader.”
So, why have His followers become so politicized?

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“Some of my church brothers and sisters were appalled when I showed up at home group sporting my Obama tee-shirt and parked my ‘Obama-mobile’ front-and-center in the parking lot (pretty much assuring that I’ll never be an elder . . .),” writes columnist Jeff Myers on behalf of a friend identified only as Bruce. “It’s almost as though they question the legitimacy of my faith because I don’t support the Republican viewpoint.”
“To be sure, Jesus might commend Democrats for their concern for the poor, the downtrodden, the disenfranchised, the outcasts — the very people He reached out to again and again during His life on this earth,” writes an unsigned editorialist for the Modesto Bee newspaper in California. “To be sure, Jesus might commend Republicans for their focus on personal accountability and responsibility – the very things He espoused over and over again during His ministry. To listen to many of the politicians and partisans on both the left and the right these days, He’s one of their own. They show up at His churches, they talk of His principles and they ask His blessing on their policies and programs.”
So who’s right?

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“The secular left has mastered use of the Internet to further its extremist goals. In fact, President Obama’s web-based ‘Organizing for America’ propaganda machine may have given him the 2008 election,” writes Matt Barber. “I agree with Barack Obama that November 2012 represents the most important election of our lifetimes – perhaps our history. Of course, that’s where my agreement with Obama both begins and abruptly ends.
“Here’s the operable question,” continues Berber. “Do we want America ‘fundamentally transformed’ to mirror the secular-socialist ideals of the radical leftist currently ‘occupying’ the White House? In Barack Obama’s America, individual freedom is trampled beneath jackboots as a matter of course. It’s already happening at an unprecedented rate. One need only look to the HHS mandate forcing Christian groups – both Catholic and Protestant – to violate, under penalty of law, biblical prohibitions against abortion homicide. Or consider recent attempts by multiple elected officials, all Democrats, to shutdown Chick-fil-A – a private, Christian-owned business – simply because its leadership holds the biblical view of marriage. Is this George Washington’s America, or Joseph Stalin’s Russia?”
There seems to be very little middle ground.

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“Many of us feel that our faith has been stolen, and it’s time to take it back,” writes Jim Wallis, editor of Sojourners magazine. “An enormous public misrepresentation of Christianity has taken place. Many people around the world now think Christian faith stands for political commitments that are almost the opposite of its true meaning. How did the faith of Jesus come to be known as pro-rich, pro-war, and pro-American? And how do we get back to a historic, biblical, and genuinely evangelical faith rescued from its contemporary distortions?
“That rescue operation is even more crucial today, in the face of a social crisis that cries out for prophetic religion,” continues Wallis. “The problem is clear in the political arena, where strident voices claim to represent Christians, when they clearly don’t speak for most of us. We hear politicians who love to say how religious they are but utterly fail to apply the values of faith to their public leadership and political policies.
It’s time to take back our faith in the public square, especially in a time when a more authentic social witness is desperately needed. When we do, we discover that faith challenges the powers that be to do justice for the poor, instead of preaching a ‘prosperity gospel’ and supporting politicians that further enrich the wealthy. We remember that faith hates violence and tries to reduce it, and exerts a fundamental presumption against war, instead of justifying it in God’s name.
We see that faith creates community from racial, class, and gender divisions and prefers international community over nationalist religion, and we see that ‘God bless America’ is found nowhere in the Bible. And we are reminded that faith regards matters such as the sacredness of life and family bonds as so important that they should never be used as ideological symbols or mere political pawns in partisan warfare.”
So, who is right? Well, what did Jesus Himself say?
Where would He stand regarding, for example, war — specifically the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan or our support for Israel? Jesus said: “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God” (Matthew 5:9). Its meaning is obvious for anti-war Christians – Jesus was against all war.
However, He was also against evil – so, the same verse is very effectively quoted in America’s intervention against the Nazis as they undertook to exterminate every non-blond “Aryan” in Europe. Today does it also apply to the Taliban in Afghanistan burning schools for girls and growing opium in support of jihad? What about Saddam Hussein in Iraq? Muamar Khadafi’s Libya? Syria? Egypt? Pakistan? Nigeria?
But say the anti-war Christians, what about “Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also” (Matthew 5:39) and “I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” (Matthew 5:44)? Obviously Jesus was anti-war, right?
Well, respond the Christian crusaders, what about Matthew 11:12 “Heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.” Or Matthew 10:34-39: “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’ – a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.”
And such it is when one dissects the Bible on such issues as the death penalty, administration of justice, materialism, separation of church and state, and feeding the poor. In Luke 14:13-14, Jesus said, “But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”
Maybe a better case can be made from Christ’s own politics. After teaching in the countryside for three years, He returned to Jerusalem where He received a Triumphal Entry – with the entire city lining the streets, placing coats in front of his donkey, waving palm branches and shouting “Hosanna! Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!” They were convinced He was there to throw out the occupying Romans, restore the Kingdom of David and reign over them in Jewish majesty.
Instead, He explained that your and my brief time here on Earth is just a test. His real concern was that we accept His gift of grace and spend all eternity with Him in the presence of our loving, Almighty Father, who puts up with our perplexing human contradictions and continuous squabbles because He loves us.
The people of Jerusalem were infuriated by such a message. Within the week, they were shouting “Crucify Him, crucify Him” and the baffled Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, did just that – washing his hand of the whole matter and telling his fearful wife that he couldn’t figure out what these people wanted.
And so it is today. “It is clear that we American Christian Democrats are in a jam,” writes an unsigned blogger on the website Jesus Is a Liberal.
The same could be said of the American Christian Republicans.
And Libertarians.
And Independents.
“Jesus’ life is not an abstract subject to be debated by experts,” writes Ortberg. “It is an invitation. Do you know what Jesus said about anything? Try living accordingly. Take a stab at removing contempt from your life, and see how life runs. See how well you are able to do it. Try living as if there is a heavenly Father who cares for and listens to you. Try living ‘without worry’ one day at a time.”
“Every few days we hear about a judge ruling that a certain Christian symbol in a school is unconstitutional, or we hear that the recitation of the pledge of allegiance is offensive because it has ‘God’ in its text,” muses third-year history major Kenneth Capps in Stanford University’s Review newspaper. “Does this sound like Jesus? No, He died because He stood up to a culture that rejected Him. Christians have a duty to follow Jesus.
“Christians should absolutely form their political stances based on their beliefs, just as secular people base theirs off their beliefs. But they should be wary of associating too much with the beliefs of popular culture and be ready to bring the change that society needs, through Christ our Lord.”
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cause_glen_said_so
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:40amStupid argument. Those parties did not exist when those fables were written
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:55amSee, ATHEISTS are progressive and Democrat, so that means Jesus would have been a Republican, because he didn’t HATE!
Report Post »cause_glen_said_so
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:58amWhat was hateful about that? Who said I was an athiest? Who said I was a party member?
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:06am@EqualJustice
DING!
agreed
I wonder what other goodies this failtroll has in store for us today?
Report Post »tradexpertbuysell
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:07amJesus loves you especially. Hush! Go back to sleep troll. Why do you attempt to devide.? As HE loves you so should you love others.
You knew before you wrote “fables” and selected “fables” that it would trouble folks. So why, on earth did you do it?
I will perhaps listen more to you if you only showed a little bit more maturity and a lot less passion and hate.
Report Post »cause_glen_said_so
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:23amAgain I ask, what is hateful about what I have said? You people seem to love throwing that around. What is wrong with fables? They have been around for centuries and teach morals, is that not the same? I believe there was once a man named Jesus but I do not believe in all the literal supernatural goings on written in a book…written by men. My views are different but not hateful….maybe playing devils advocate…;)
Report Post »Oh,,,he (she,it) does not exist…this devil creature
barber2
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:35amCAUSE: but the very name you have chosen for yourself shows disrespect which is “mild” hate. You can not have it both ways. You are either operating from love and respect or you are operating from hate and disrespect. Am sure there are atheists who operate from love and respect. They just do not post comments here !
Report Post »Listen_then_think
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:45amYou have no faith. Fables are made up stories, just like your made up avatar name. You throw your condescending, inflammatory remark out there then feign innocence. Perfectly played my obama loving, socialist lawyer friend.
Report Post »Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:47amJesus surely would have been a Libertarian……he wouldn’t fall for the love and compassion game that the left uses only as a tool for political gain….those are the hypocrites he was talking about… And he wouldn’t be too fond of the corruptness, and greed of the republican party.
On top of that Jesus didn’t want to force people to believe what he was saying, he just wanted to speak, and have people listen, and then make their choice. (1st amendment……constitutionalist) It’s up to you to believe and live by it, if you are forced to live by it than there really is no faith.
Report Post »UpholderOftheConstitution
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:50amCAUSE_GLEN_SAID_SO, if you have read the Bible you would know that the term “fable” was never used by Jesus to describe his teachings. Jesus used the word parables. So maybe you were not straight-in-my-face with hate but you had passive aggressive tones to your statement which leads people to stand up against your ignorance.
So I would say you did not say something hateful but definitely ignorant and childish.
Report Post »The Realist
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:52amSIGH…Why must this nonsense keep coming up?
Short but to the point video to help some in doubt, as to at least be able to say which party Jesus would lean closer to:
Socialism is not Christian
http://www.wnd.com/wnd_video/socialism-is-not-christian/#ooid=l3b2NoNTq32RYVIjKyGE86Ijo4nCocmg
Dr. Charles Stanley’s new book, chapter 9 in particular covers “The Downward Spiral of Socialism”
http://www.amazon.com/Turning-Tide-Real-Hope-Change/dp/B005M47WZ0/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1337612081&sr=8-20
Coral Ridge Ministries Presents Socialism: A Clear and Present Danger (promo video only, watch the DVD!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTyzd3B730&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL6CEFCF1C7EC80796
Along with numerous Bible verses that run against socialism/Marxism/communism. Folks, it ain’t even close as to which side Jesus would be closer to. In an actual party? Likely not-but let‘s not pretend there aren’t STARK differences between the two-even taking into consideration some of the RINOS.
Report Post »UpholderOftheConstitution
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:58amBALLOT_BOX_REVOLUTION, Libertarian? Sure about that? How bout this little diddy from Matthew 22:21 “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”. That is he was telling His followers to pay their taxes because the face of Caesar was on the money and therefore it is his. That tax was a empirical tax which in modern days is a Federal tax. I am not advocating Federal taxation but what I am saying is Jesus was not political in nature, remember He is the Son of God and He is God (I don’t have time to expound on the trinity right now) therefore any political leader means little to Him. He had to just utter one word and the angels of heaven would have came down and done his bidding, but he showed restraint and righteous anger. What Jesus taught was common sense. No where in the New Testament does He advocate violence to another person for anything that was done. Remember the time he would not condemn the woman caught in adultery?
I think the whole issue of Jesus being Democrat, Republican or whatever is stupid and irresponsible for any Christian. But it is not irresponsible voting and aligning yourself to the closest party to the values taught in the Bible.
Report Post »The Realist
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:01amAnd as has already been mentioned (which needless to say goes hand and hand with communist-type governments) is the removal and/or censorship of all things Christian. So to clarify-in reference to TODAY’S DEMOCRAT PARTY-where an ENDLESS ONSLAUGHT of HOSTILITY, MOCKERY, DISBELIEF, BLASPHEMY and on and on towards Christianity comes from the left…how is it that this question even continues to be asked?
Report Post »randy
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:04am“To be sure, Jesus might commend Democrats for their concern for the poor, the downtrodden, the disenfranchised, the outcasts
What a load of BS!
The only concern democrats have for the Poor, the downtrodden, the disenfranchised and the outcast….. Oh wait, let’s put this in terms the liberal mind can understand
The Poor = Blacks on Welfare
The down Trodden = OWS
The disenfranchised = Cry babies that don’t know what a hard days work is.
Outcasts = LGBT oooops sorry, LGGBT, forgot Gramsexual atheists, Marxists, communists, baby killers. Illegal Aliens.
The only concern Democrats have for these people, is to keep them dependent on the teat of government, and to keep themselves in power.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:06amhe doesn’t exist.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:12am@Upholder
So are you suggesting that His “little ditty” was stating that Man can hold something apart from God, that God is not the font of, and owner of, everything in the Universe? Nothing can be rendered unto Caesar as if there were a division between Caesar and God’s “property”, since God is all and owns all.
Report Post »scarletworm
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:24amAgreed- and let’s not forget that the one apostle who was political was Judas.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:35amGhostofJefferson,
So, according to your argument, there really is no private or public property, and that God cares very little for your house or your business or whatever–that property rights as given by the Constitution do not in fact come from any Creator (which is exactly why the Founders changed Locke’s original formula of “Life, Liberty and Property“ to ”Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”
By your thinking, Jesus is not a Libertarian so much as an Ascetic, since Libertarianism is entirely premised on the primacy of property rights.
Report Post »termyt
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:41amJesus rebuffed all attempts to make Him into a political leader from His own followers as well as others. Simply put, He is neither Republican or Democrat or Libertarian. Anyone who says otherwise is attempting to twist Jesus’s teachings to their own twisted morality.
If you believe His teachings are toward the individual, you will be right-leaning in our society. If you believe His teachings are toward the collective, you will be left-leaning. Beware of non-believers on both sides. They will only try to twist and mislead.
I believe Jesus taught us how to live individually, not as a collective. We each are to apply His principles our own lives. The result on the collective will then fall naturally. But that is my interpretation. Anyone who says that means I hate poor people (Wallis) reveals they care not for truth (even if they are correct), only their point of view.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:42amSecond Epistle of Paul the Apostle (with Silvanus and Timothy) to the Thessalonians
εἴ τις οὐ θέλει ἐργάζεσθαι μηδὲ ἐσθιέτω
If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat
How many Democrat voters don’t work, but eat?
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:43amJesus was no fool. He and his father worked for every “penny” they had. He despised deadbeats, theives and liars. He would be especially disappointed with anyone who claims to be Democrat. He was no redistributionist. He would help you if you really needed it, but he was no chump. I can’t help but laugh when I hear these leeches, liars, deadbeats, miscreants, low-lifes claim that Jesus would side with them. Jesus would slap them in the face.
Report Post »woodyl1011fl
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:46amYou obviously hate Jesus Christ Creator, Redeemer, Sustainer and coming King and Glen has absolutely nothing to do with who Jesus is. The Bible sir is history your rejection of it‘s Total Truth and mocking of Scripture’s message.will determine where you will spend eternity.
Report Post »cause_glen_said_so
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:04amBarber…I chose that name because I think the man is a snake oil salesman and full of himself. I also find there are many people who will believe anything the man says without question. I have already said I do not consider myself an atheist but I do believe that they are capable of love and respect as well.
Listen…what do you know about anyone else’s faith? If they have a different one than you does not mean they are without one. Fables are made up but who knows whether or not Bible stories are made up unless they were there when they were written?
Upholder…fables and parables are basically the same. You say that Jesus did not use that term but my question is, did he write the Bible? I believe it was men who wrote it and long after he was gone. Ignorant and childish? I would rather think thought through and coming to my own logical conclusions.
I am sorry to insult anyone but I have a hard time believing in a “being” who was sitting around somewhere, all alone and decided to make what we know today. In making this “creation,” he put a stipulation that everything he created would have to believe in supernatural events written in a book centuries ago and if they did not, go to a dark scary place led by a former “angel” turned bad.
Report Post »meltzen
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:08amCause Glenn said so— you say they are fables cus man wrote them. So your telling me what you believe is something other than what man wrote. Why should I believe what you say cus your just a man. The bible was written by man but was inspired by God to know what to write.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:13amI literally cringe when I see such a headline, or read such arguments.
“Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.”
Taking God’s name in vain is more than just saying G– D—. Using his name improperly is taking it in vain.
The question asked is stupid. Jesus is the Son of God, he is God in the flesh, and the savior of the world, and he is of no political party, and never will be. When he comes back again, he will rule the entire world as a King.
Phil 2 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
One day, every person will stand before him, and give an account for their life. The unsaved will do so at the Great White Throne Judgment, and the saved will stand at the Judgment Seat of Christ. This will be a time of fear that most cannot comprehend. I would hate to know that I will one day stand in front of the God of the universe, and have to explain why I was so foolish, as to try to put Jesus in a manmade box of our little political parties.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:20amActually Christ was a little of both. But he taught society should help those struggling not the government. He also thought that those who lived slothful and sinful lives deserved forgiveness ONLY IF THEY REJECTED THAT LIFE. Jesus would give needles to junkie,he wouldn’t give food ,clothing or housing to the lazy,he would provide a means of living based on pumping out children with multiple sex partners…….Jesus was conservative in morals and moderate in property.
Report Post »That would make his more Republican. Jesus thought Charity should come from the heart not a government agency. If Jesus had to be labeled as one or the other hands down Jesus would be Republican.Too much hatred,jealouy and secularism in the DNC.
Also Jesus didn’t believe in slavery,lynchings,jim crow,segregation or many of the other practices established by the democrats.
DLV
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:25amCause- you‘re lack of knowledge of the bible is astounding and you don’t do your research well. For instance, the bible wasn’t written long after Jesus, Mark was generally thought to be written in the 60s A.D. the latest one John was considered to be in the 90s. I took a new testament class in my college and they talked all about this.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:38am@Publius
God is not a politician nor in a political party. We all borrow our lives, and property, from Him and return them when we leave the earth and wither to dust. God is all things, the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. It’s pretty clear if you had even the vaguest understanding of any Abrahamic religion. If God is all things, Caesar cannot own anything that is divided from God, ergo, you cannot give unto Caesar what is Caesar‘s as if Caesar can have something that is not God’s. If you wish to make God a politician you can stick to voting for Obama and constructing halos around his head in photo ops, which I know you will do anyway.
Sometimes philosophy requires thinking, and forces you to rely on more on your own reasoning than spoon fed sound bites from marginal professors. Jesus spoke in parables and in philosophical ways, which demands of each of us to consider His words and contemplate them in their fullest context. Strange but true.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:51amFirst of all, dude, if you are trying to include GLENN as in GLENN BECK, learn how to spell his name.
Report Post »Secondly, if I may: JESUS is the SON of GOD. GOD, as you may know, Created everything including you. I wouldn‘t be messin’ with Him if I were you. I would be trying to find out why so many Millions of people through out the history of the World have come to Jesus instead of acting like a spoiled brat and trying to cause trouble. You Atheists, Agnostics are pathetic to me. I feel sorry for you all.
winin2012
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:02pmFables? Want to bet you eternity on it?
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:06pm“We all borrow our lives, and property, from Him and return them when we leave the earth and wither to dust.”
“Caesar cannot own anything that is divided from God, ergo, you cannot give unto Caesar what is Caesar‘s as if Caesar can have something that is not God’s.”
But see, now you are contradicting yourself. You are suggesting that man can take something from God–own it for a time–and then return it. Yet, you suggest that Caesar (whether the literal head of state or the figurative state itself) can never take or borrow anything from God.
So, if the individual’s property is borrowed from God, and therefore belonging to the individual, why can’t it be rendered unto Caesar? Why would it be possible for an individual to have God-protected property, but somehow an affront to God for property to be held communally by the public?
Report Post »Herakles82
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:15pmUsing the term “fables” shows your ignorance to the truths of the Judea-Christian tradition and the reality of sinful man. The truth is there for all to see if you possess the sincerity to search for it.
Report Post »cause_glen_said_so
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:24pmdlv…I find that 60 to 100 years is pretty long for word of mouth not to be altered just a bit. Ever play the game telephone?
Report Post »Patty…minor point you make but now I have learned how to spell the name. Jesus is the assumed son of god, god is assumed to have made everything including me. You also assume I am a spoiled brat, atheist, agnostic, and the doozie of them all, pathetic. All because I do not believe what you do. I try to treat what I believe as a belief, you seem to treat your belief as absolute fact. Point is, neither one of can prove or disprove the other.
4truth2all
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:37pmJesus said to “be holy as I am holy”. This means to be set apart … to be pure, right and just. To be kindhearted, compassionate, loving. To be forgiving, giving and peacemakers. To be meek (not weak), not fearful. Joyful in all situations. Jesus is the King of kings. maker and ruler of all. It matters not if a person chooses to be a Rep. or Dem. … what matters is do you seek to be like Jesus and not be friends with this world system of evil which is comming down. Jesus will judge ALL men and He will NEVER ask your political affiliation, as He has none, showing favoritism to no man. HE WILL LOOK FOR HIS SPIRIT IN YOU and the efforts made to be holy like He is.
This is an insult to Jesus and small minded thinking from a lack of knowledge.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:45pmOnly thing closest to parties at the time were “saducees” and “pharisees”, and Jesus was neither… I don‘t think he would have belonged to any ’party’… He was independent minded…
Report Post »jerimiah41
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:53pmJesus is all about love. Where do you see any of that from Democrats. He also said you should help any neighbors in trouble. Another neighbor I believe, not the government. Did you ever see a democrat help any of their democrat neighbors? I am sure you would not see it if they were a republican or disagreed with them. This whole article is a joke. If you don’t believe in him, love him with all of your heart, and have faith it will be moot for you anyway. He also said let the small children come to him. Anyone that harms them will not enter the Kingdom. I do not believe he would believe in the murder that is occurring in the womb thru abortion. He clearly articulates marriage as a sacred relationship and between one man and one woman and has called any other relationship outside the marriage with man on man, woman on woman is an abomination and you will not enter his kingdom. He did not know you he would say as he passes judgement. Too many are confused with his love for everyone , but it is not undconditional when judging you. I pray for all democrats that Jesus will have mercy on their soul or they will know what it is to ask forgiveness before they die. Many will never get this opportunity Jesus has said he will come when he is not expected. It is so sad that Satan has his claws in so many of our population and that is why you get discussions on this versus let’s discuss the gospel first. With love to all. Jerimiah
Report Post »petitegirl
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:18pmYes, they did exist. They were underground at that time. LOL
Report Post »DLV
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 1:30pmCause- well if Jesus died around 33 AD and Mark was written and out in the 60s thats 30 years not insanely long but still. Here is some info. Ancient culture back then was very oral and could continue stories with very little difference for a while. The Iliad and Odyssey was originally oral and was passed down for generations. Additionally, if you believe that God influenced the bible (like all Christians do) then Mark being written 30 years later is hardly problematic. I’m wating for Sleazy Hippo to comment because he likely knows more than I do about this subject. Lastly, as for the others like Matthew and Luke, a good portion of their gospels is part of Mark. Copying wasnt as terrible as it is today. Something like 90 percent of Mark is in Matt and Luke. Hope you actually try to look for the truth and not just throw insults like many other atheists on this site.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 2:31pmYo DLV:
God “oversaw” every aspect of The Word no matter the time. Not sure what you mean in the “copying” statement. There is no copying in scripture, except from quotes. Matthew, Mark, Luke tell of many of the same situations though they tell them in “different” ways. This NEVER departs from the “truth” nor do they contradict one another. It is simply Gods way of letting us see that men are not robots. They were allowed there “individualism” while at the same time lead by the Spirit to speak as God lead them to; to write down and record as he lead, for that which he wanted, for His purposes. The time frame is really not revelant and to the believer should not matter. We are called to get wisdom, get knowledge, and understanding and the purpose for this is to glorify God not make ourselves look good. The time frame is a place where the enemy attacks. Wisdom would acknowledge this. Therefore, wisdom (she) would tell us to get knowledge and understanding to defend the Word of God for His glory!
Report Post »DLV
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 2:54pm4truth- Yeah I agree. The copying was still God’s word, never said it wasn’t.
“God “oversaw” every aspect of The Word no matter the time.”
Report Post »Agree.
“There is no copying in scripture, except from quotes. Matthew, Mark, Luke tell of many of the same situations though they tell them in “different” ways. This NEVER departs from the “truth” nor do they contradict one another.”
Agreed. That’s what I meant. Did you think I was being secular about it?
“It is simply Gods way of letting us see that men are not robots. They were allowed there “individualism” while at the same time lead by the Spirit to speak as God lead them to; to write down and record as he lead, for that which he wanted, for His purposes. The time frame is really not revelant and to the believer should not matter. We are called to get wisdom, get knowledge, and understanding and the purpose for this is to glorify God not make ourselves look good. The time frame is a place where the enemy attacks. Wisdom would acknowledge this. Therefore, wisdom (she) would tell us to get knowledge and understanding to defend the Word of God for His glory!”
Agreed. Point being what about my previous statement?
circleDwagons
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:34pmGOD is a libertarian so my quess is that Jesus loves all. LOVE and Liberty
Report Post »Jenric04
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:46pmI agree, not that they were fables, because I believe in the Bible as the word of God, but I DO believe this is a stupid argument. We will NEVER know, and what’s the point of arguing something that is pure speculation not based on fact? Ugh. C’mon Blaze, give us better.
Report Post »boyd9
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:00pmInteresting discussion:
Report Post »Jesus taught parables to help us understand principles that are true, truth hasn‘t changed and won’t change. It isn‘t based on one’s perspective or life experience it is truth, it is what it is. We can decide to try and understand them and to live according to them or to break ourselves against them-they aren’t going to change.
Christ did teach that we should render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar, but he also taught that Caesar had NO right to that which belongs to God. In simple terms he taught the separation of Church (God’s kingdom) and State (Caesar or government). When the rich man asked how to get into heaven he did not tell the rich man to give all that he had to Caesar so that Caesar could redistribute it, he told the rich man to give all that he had DIRECTLY to the poor. Charity is a religious principle, it belongs to God and government should not be involved in it. The reason is obvious, Government corrupts the principle, charity is to lift the poor, the governments version enslaves the poor and creates a dependent person content to live off the monthly allowance the government provides. Christ wants us to succeed as individuals; to lift ourselves out of poverty and out of sin, it is impossible given the current environment for a corrupt government to lift people out of poverty. We need to alter voting requirements. Accept entitlements-no right to vote. Government then will have the incentive to create productive citizen
lukerw
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:01pmNeither… Christ nor the Founding Fathers believed in (wanted) Political Parties… rather Individuals, whose Thinking led them to Unified Decisions!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:17pmYo DLV:
Was not accusing you of anything, just was not understanding , and that may have been on my end .. which would seem so.
Report Post »It is thought that the earliest books may have been written as close as 30 years after. AIG has a good 4 part series on this subject…. if I recall correctly it is because the destruction of the temple is NOT mentioned and this happened 40 years after the resurrection …think I might have to dig that DVD out tonight and double check myself …peace
Too_Far_Gone
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 5:17pm@Cause
I see we have a new resident IDIOT ..
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 5:32pmDemocrats try to fit in, and make everyone the same, and they make words taboo. Didn’t seem like Jesus tried to fit in, as a matter of fact they called Jesus a glutton. IN my father’s Heavens there are many mansions – sounds like a Republic to me. I bet Jesus would be more like a classic Republican.
Report Post »Land_of_the_lost
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 6:24pmNo those parties didn’t exist, but you did have the leaders of the Jewish church who were the same polarity. It’s not the name of the party but the polarity. There were the Pharisees who were more legalistic and right leaning, and the Sadducees who believed more relativistic and left leaning. Jesus came and said both sides were wrong and imperfect. Both needed grace. So through that Jesus was neither right nor left.
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:09pmSo now Jesus is an American…Everytime I think the Blaze has reached the bottom, they lower the bar
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:07pmNeither did Jesus
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:12pm@ winin2012 – I’ll take that bet. Unfortunately, neither of us will be able to collect because we’ll both be worm food. We’ll be in the same state that we were before we were born.
Report Post »mamatango
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:53pmThis subject asks THE MOST disgusting, offensive question I have ever read!!!
Who, with any sense of decency would ask what stupid little “man-made” corrupt political party the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, KING OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SAVIOR of our souls, who died for us would vote for??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
HE is LOVE! He is Almighty GOD, El Shaddai, Giver of LIFE.
I am greatly offended….
I don’t intend to read this drivel, or read any comments. I hope no one else buys into this stupidity either!
Report Post »Paul
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 12:05amNeither, He’s an Independent…
Report Post »Drives Like Jehu
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:38amJesus never was, is or will be a member of a man-made political party. The devil, on the other hand, obviously is a democrat. :-)
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 3:27amThis is a DUMB A argument, a DUMB A article and we have much bigger fish to fry, CHRISTIANS/AMERICANS…. Egypt’s animals now in office want to begin again with Crucifixions.
Report Post »It’s not bad enough that N. Korea has 70K (seventy Thousand) CHristians working in hard labor camps and they will die there….now these ANIMALS in EGYPT think they are going to start CRUCIFYING Christians (and others who DARE TO STAND in those ANIMALS WAY and this stupid broad HILLARY CLINTON and that jackass she “works for” the Head Muslim in the USA, Obama, are sending that SOB in EGYPT 3 BILLION (plus WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH ELSE?) YOU DOPES…you horrible horrible gutless progressive sheeple dopes!!! You didn’t order the NO FLY ZONE when you could have helped the INNOCENT SYRIAS…you horrible people USING OUR TAX MONEY…you don’t know what the hell you are doing… you are so inept, so sickening….and now, you dopes, instead of taking charge and or using OUR TAX MONEY as LEVERAGE…you spineless, weak, lily-livered sicko freaks…now you’ve empowered those ANIMALS, those THUGS to begin CRUCIFYING MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE. AND that twerp in IRAN to spout off his mouth. OBAMA,
you are behind all of this, you MUSLIM animal freak. YOU stopped Iranians fighting for freedom, you did the same in Egypt, you didn’t help the SYRIANS…do you think we are all stupid???? GTH. PS ISLAM came about as a counterfiet in 700 AD. LEARN ABOUT IT!!
PATTY HENRY
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 3:33amYO BLAZE!!! Instead of printing what that phony in the WH is saying…how about THE NEWS? HOW about what those animals are doing over there WITH OUR MONEY. IT’S always been OUR MONEY!!
Report Post »ALWAYS…. we paid it to the Saudi’s and they bought off our pols…Bushes too, OUR MONEY buying the guns/ammo that killed OUR GUYS and that SOB in the WH has the gall to stand up and say he’s helped Israel…he’s their friend. JERK. I want to see real news. I want lists of Congressmen/women on the committees who can stop this insanity if they even have the guts…one last thing: HOW MANY NAMES did that SOB in the WH have?? Barry Sotero ? Harrison J. B ounnell? (ever heard that one) ? How many people do YOU guys know who have had 3-4 names in their life?? Also THEY (both he and moochell) had to give up their law licenses…how many people do you know that have had to do that??? WE HAVE BEEN SO CONNED…we must make Congress stop this in EGYPT, NO FLY IN SYRIA, STOP PERSECUTION of CHRISTIANS in N. KOREA. DAMNIT.
gail001
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 4:18amJesus would not support Republicans or Democrats. There is an entirely NEW “Party” coming, headed up by the Prince of Peace and the King of Kings- JESUS CHRIST. “The Government will rest upon his shoulders” and those of us who DO believe in Him and have found the FAITHFUL and TRUE reasons for our opinions and choices, “will rule and reign with Him.”
Report Post »gail001
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 4:39amJesus would not support either Republicans or Democrats or any other Political Party. There is a party busy forming which is headed up by The Prince of Peace and the King of Kings – God With Us “…And the Government will rest upon His shoulders.” Those of us who choose to believe in JESUS CHRIST have faithful and true reasons for the opinions we hold and the choices we make and are destined to rule and reign with Him.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:03amYo DLV:
The entire new testiment may very well have been completed prior to 70AD ( had my years wrong). The thinking would be because there is no mention of the destruction (burning) of Jerusalem. This monumental event would certainly have been mentioned. This makes perfect sence.
Report Post »Pigpen
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:37amCAUSE_GLEN_SAID_SO posted: “Stupid argument.”
On the contrary, the argument is not stupid. The argument just hasn’t been framed properly. First we must ask ourselves, was Moses Ford or Chevy? [end miserable attempt at humor]
I know that Jesus Christ lives. I know that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the World. I know that Jesus Christ loves all of us, yes, Pigpen knows that Jesus Christ loves whites, jews, blacks, chicanos, muslims, asians, yes we are ALL his precious children. BUT, Jesus Christ has a very definite, DEFINITE Plan of Happiness that does NOT WARRANT any bending or breaking of HIS LAWS whether natural, legal, whatever. Jesus Christ does love us all. BUT FEAR OF THE LORD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM!!!
Report Post »DLV
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:04pm4truth- I never heard that. If there is enough evidence for it, I’ll sway my beliefs. What I learned in New Testament class from my professor is that Mark was completed around 65 AD John the latest gospel was in the 90s…..
Report Post »gosutag
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:45pm@EQUALJUSTICE: Lol…Really? There’s a lot of Republicans on this site who would completely debunk your theory. Let’s see, hate homosexuals, hate democrats, hate liberals, hate Muslims, and the list goes on. So I’m gonna have to disagree with your theory.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:11amJesus would say he did not know them.
Report Post »dcshadows
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:06amCan atheists really comment on such discourse they believe is fallacy? I say they are dumber for having done so.
Jesus is GOD, who created all, always was, is and will be. He is Holy, without Sin. He is the only way to Heaven. We should not ask would Jesus vote democrat or republican. Instead we should ask if a democrat or republican would vote like Jesus. Jesus clearly lays out in his Word how we should vote in any election.
Please don’t be petty enough to think Jesus would side with you. You should only think about what you should do to be on Jesus’ side.
Report Post »IvanK
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:05amJesus is the son of God and the savior of our mortal souls. To imply he was a republican or democrat is an ignorant and narcissistic supposition.
Report Post »WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:56pmThis is a ridiculous argument….. Jesus is neither and He does not vote….. He is King of kings….. DUH!
Report Post »rderrick
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:25pmYou’re right. there’s nothing necessarily hateful about unbeliefe. People are free by God to believe him or not, and He will then hold them accountable for their deeds. The political point is also just as easy: Jesus the Lord is for personal liberty (Luke 4:18, 2 cor 3:17), personal prosperity (Joshua 1:7, 3 John 1:2), personal responsibility & judgment (John 7:24,1 Cor 11:31,Gal 6:7,), personal ability (Phil 4:13), personal life (John 10:10) I.E. NOT liberalism, socialism, communism, etc..which are cultures and politics of death, degredation, depression, and disaster. God so loves the whole world, that He wants EVERY person to share His character, which is certainly NOT liberal. No hatred here, just complete rejection against the culture and politics of the ungodly: Liberals.
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 6:00pmIt is a serious matter to represent Jesus as someone he is not.
Report Post »Brian Skrocki
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 7:11pmJesus might very well send some of the more self righteous right wingers to hell, but he’d give him a seat next to the left wing liberal nuts who deny religion and god, and think gay marriage is ok. I’m sure we would classify Jesus as a liberal back in the day, however now he would be an independent leaning center-right. He would certainly be no fan of Barack Obama, and Nancy Pelosi and company. Jesus knew governments place – give to Caesar what is Caesar‘s and to God what is God’s.
Report Post »Callie369
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 4:24amMy Lord Jesus is a very intelligent man. Therefore, it would be impossible for him to EVER register as a dumbocrat. While he would never BE a dumbocrat, that doesn‘t mean he won’t FORGIVE them. In HIS words, “They know not what they do!”
Report Post »suttonea76
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:40amNEITHER, he would have been a conservative. He would have vehemently denied the support for abortion as HE shares the blood of GOD to which created life thus killing it is in direct violation of the Ten Commandments. Give a man a fish and he eats for a day and teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime is a direct understanding on being self sufficient and not relying on others to support you which in turn rebukes the liberal welfare and food stamp system we have in place. Washing the feet of the poor and scorn is not a mandate to support the poor but rather compassion to help your fellow man. Our government wants to redistribute wealth to MANDATE help to the poor when we are the most giving country in history WITHOUT such mandates in place thus we don’t need them and we have plenty of compassionate people and foundations to help everyone.
Jesus never said or implied that all be taken care of but he did say the only path to the father is through me which requires that you actually make a CHOICE to serve the lord WILLINGLY and not by mandate which is in direct parallel to our capitalistic system that allows a person to CHOOSE and WILLINGLY participate to seek a better life beyond comprehension which is the Christian understanding of heaven.
Report Post »SouthernWoody
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 2:55pmThere are people in both parties who do not work, but it may not be by choice. There are people in both parties who get up and go to work, and work hard, EVERY DAY.
I am glad that there are some good corporations PROVIDING jobs for Americans, but I also realize that there are lots of GREEDY corporations, which have collectively sent millions of AMERICAN JOBS overseas. Including mine. Now I am working two lower-paying jobs, trying to make ends meet. It has been a very eye-opening experience. For those who still stand in their ivory towers, and criticize others for not working hard enough, I can say–I WAS THERE. Now I have seen BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE. Maybe some day the ivory tower folks will need something, and they will wish for a little help. Karma/God/The Universe/Fate/Poetic Justice has a funny way of dealing with selfish, judgemental people who have too much ego, aka puffed-up pride.
Report Post »Edohiguma
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:36pmEqualJustice, because Republicans don’t hate?
Humans are humans, no matter what tree they bark at and humans have human emotions. Hate is one of them. Did Jesus hate? We don’t know, because he didn’t leave behind his intimate thoughts. All we know about him comes from what other people wrote about him. He sadly never wrote his biography.
As for Atheist being progressive… thanks for proving my point. All atheist are progressive and hate, right? You’re labeling just as bad as the liberals. Why do you think more and more people become annoyed (to put it mildly) with politics? Because it’s all about polarizing and no longer about facts or truth. It’s about winning, about getting power instead of serving. The fanatics on both sides are responsible for this.
I don’t think Jesus would be either. He would probably get a big stick and drive both Dems and Reps from the Hill.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:39amIt is wrong to politicize Christ in any way. Shameful.
He is Lord, King of Kings, GOD, our Creator, please leave him out of politics
Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:47am.
Report Post »It’s the top 10 on the Polarization scale
castuslonginus
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:49amIt’s not politicizing Jesus to say that He is against sin. Jeff myers writes about his church bretheren looking at him like he didn’t belong after he went in wearing his 0bama tee shirt and parking his 0bamamobile front and center. He obviously agrees with 0bama on gay marrige,Jesus doesn’t,he agrees with aborting the unborn,Jesus doesn’t,he obviously agrees with taking away from one to give to another,Jesus doesn’t. So if he proudly shows his agreement with the un-God-ly, then how can he be God-ly. Jesus’ thoughts and instructions are very clear,it’s not politics,it’s applying the Word of God to your principles. but I do agree that Jesus wouldn’t have been either party, because both have lost sight of Him. They may pay lip service but neither side would stop abortions,put prayer back in school,or stand up to the muslim religion,which is based in lies. neither side. God will not bless the un-Godly.
Report Post »memyselfandi
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:04amJesus was neither a Republican nor a Democrat; He was the sacrificial lamb for the atonement of the sin of man.
He will return as the Lion, the King of this world, a theocratic dictator whose judgments will always be right. He will never lie to us, treat us unfairly or take advantage of His position.
Republicans and Democrats both glean from the teaching of Jesus but the fact is we are not Him and therefore no matter how noble our efforts may be…we are still sinful humans and so very easily corrupted.
Jesus is absolutely pro war (He is comming back to win one), against abortion, against homosexuality and against the redistribution of wealth when it is taken by force. What about the tithe…I’m so glad you ask. The OT tithe, if you study it out, was always food (and only food) which was produced (only) from the promised land of God…nothing else. Food (and not money) was brought to the storehouse to be eaten by the priests during their time of service and also to be distributed to the poor, widows and orphans. Offerings (including money) were a separate issue.
Benevolence to the poor is primarily the responsibility of the people of God and not the state. However…a system of accountability and personal responsibility is necessary, if a man will not work…neither shall he eat. I believe one of the problems in Christianity today is that we put a tremendous amount of money into big buildings and fancy production and turn our responsibility to the needy over t
Report Post »memyselfandi
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:18am…….I believe one of the problems in Christianity today is that we put a tremendous amount of money into big buildings and fancy production and turn our responsibility to the needy over to the state.
Me
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:10pmThose that argue Jesus Christ is left, right or center might consider a few things.
1) Because we have Freewill, Jesus Christ will never force Himself on us.
2) Because of Original Sin, all Human governance will be imperfect.
3) Because of Freewill and Original Sin, and until the world is purified, Man will be incapable of accepting God’s perfect governance, which is manifested through the authority of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Therefore:
4) This leaves us with self governance, which is never to be trusted under any form, and or party.
5) No matter the type of human governance, there will always be the poor, disenfranchised, downtrodden. And the percentages within a given population is directly correlated to the governments ideological policies.
Furthermore:
6) Prophesies of the world government and religion will be fulfilled in our time.
7) The anti-Christ and his false Prophet will be the head of these.
8) All Faiths, Creeds and Races will be subjected to them until the purification and second coming.
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/the-antichrist-will-claim-he-is-me-jesus-christ/
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:10pmCan you say “delusional?”
Report Post »WATER-THE-TREE
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:01pmAmen
Report Post »rapture005
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:37amI really can’t stand this question because it is very clear Jesus is neither. When Jesus returns he will rule as a king as he should since is perfect. Jesus in the bible does not talk about the left or right but people having a personal relationship with him, Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Ultimately, our time here on here on Earth is not measured in Left or Right issues but our trust in Jesus Christ.
UnkleBuck
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:36amI agree He is neither, and He didn’t say anything about Right or Left, but He DID command the Israelites to obliterate EVERYONE (even the children) in the tribes that idolized the same concepts, and institutions that today’s socialists/communists/liberals hold dear. The reason they hold those things dear is simply because they have refused God. EVERYTHING that represents Satan, and the world in the endtimes prophecies is what today’s Left is fully engaged in. And everything the Tea Party hails, and believes in can be attributed to what His Word endorses.
Report Post »castuslonginus
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:12amWell said Sir.
Report Post »memyselfandi
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:21amUncle…RIGHT ON!!!!!!!
Report Post »midwesthippie
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 12:09pm…yup…actually jesus would be disgusted by the democrats and republicans…
Report Post »TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:37amYou get sick of people reinventing Jesus Christ to suit their ideology which is IDOLATRY. No matter how you cut it, if you force people (US GOVT, ANY GOVT) at the end of a gun to be “charitable” you are not following Jesus, period.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:09amagreed
Report Post »vadale
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 6:26pmRight… The left is full of people that deny there is a God…Now they want to claim Him? Democrats created the KKK to terrorize anyone that would vote for black republicans. Does that sound like a Godly thing to yall?
Report Post »MiCurmudgeon
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:36amWhile wasting time reading this article, I wondered when they would come up with one about if Jesus was a Christian?
Report Post »chucksue351
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 6:22amYeshua was not a christian, but a Torah observant Israelite
Report Post »Redwood Elf
Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:23pmHeck, he was a Rabbi, who also studied at the Library of Alexandria (Remember, his parents fled to Egypt from the time he was a small child until he was a full grown adult) How else do you think he got so much non-Hebrew philosophical knowledge?
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:34amJesus was an Anti-Abortion Libertarian.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:16amThat would be my guess, but I don’t know. Something tells me he wouldn’t have voted for killing, torturing or kidnapping people without due process, but…
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:41amActually, I was just wondering if maybe true followers of Christ (REAL Christians) should be part-biased at all. Look at the Amish. They don’t vote and they have their own ways. THEY NEED NO ONE – NOT EVEN GOVERNMENT. Maybe that is all we need to do; go back to doing EVERYTHING ourselves and giving up ANY AND ALL RIGHTS we have under this oppressive tyrannical government.
Anymore, I am all for giving up the comforts of life and living off the land that God gave us; including no electricity, no govt regulated services – NOTHING. I’d like to grow my own food and barter for things. Personally, I AM SICK TO DEATH OF THE DIVISIONs, THE TYRANNY, THE HATRED AMONG AMERICANS, especially those who CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS, THE HYPOCRISIES ON BOTH SIDES; THE LEADER OF THIS COUNTRY WHO SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH EVIL MEN, THUS BEING EVIL.
SEE? This is exactly what Satan wants to do to us. SATAN HATES THE FREE MAN. He hates the man/woman who can think for themselves, do for themselves, and take personal responsibility. That is neither democratic nor republican. THAT IS SELF-PRESERVATION AND GODLY VALUES. Righteous values do NOT come from either party. THEY COME FROM GOD. So, even if you are an atheist and you do good, THAT GOOD COMES FROM GOD, whether you like it or not. You won’t be rewarded for that good if you do not belong to Jesus, but the good can sustain you thru this life – AND THERE IS YOUR DIFFERENCE.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:53amChildOfTheKing
The Amish take that which is not theirs.
If they lived in a world totally by themselves, I think they would be okay. But they live in a world where someone would invade them & make them dhimmi like Muslims. Or the Communists would rule them & starve them to death out of malice or mismanagement. The point is that the Amish are protected from predators by the U.S. military
I was looking for another Soviet uprising after food confiscation but this one will do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork_Uprising
In the other case the Soviets told villagers in the reason how much they would requisition, the villagers calculated they would starve to death. So instead of starving to death they chose confrontation.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:34amJesus may not support either party. But we know the baby killing, deviant loving, child molesting Democrats are on Satan’s side.
Report Post »TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:50amAnd there are some pretty wicked so-called “Republicans” so that in itself nullifies the whole premise that Jesus is either one….why would THE King bow to any other political entity anyway? That is one of the reasons the Jews rejected Christ in His Day- it was because he did not fit the king (Messiah) vision they had, the one that would rescue and nullify the tyrannical government of their day. And Libertarian…I do not believe that either. Jesus would not justify sin in any way and usually Libertarians hide behind “freedom” as a way of continuing their lifestyle of rebellion to a Holy God.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:16amActually Tears, the ability to sin is up to the individual, and judgement is supposed to be deferred to God alone. Meaning, while on Earth, God lets you sin to the n-th degree, all the while trying to allow your freewill to see and convert to good through his Holy love. By instituting government to defer sin, man is attempting to rob man of free will and stands in place of God as the ultimate judge of right and wrong.
That’s where some people compare him to libertarianism. The problem however is the same as with all other politics, insofar as it takes reading in exegesis and selecting only the points that fit an ideology, to make that claim.
And I‘ll thank you not to disparage Libertarians because some don’t happen to follow what you consider the only right way to live. Not all of us are mindless hedonists, in fact most of us are the exact opposite, having learned that personal responsibility is the prime requisite to living a free life.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:58amTears, of course all sin. But Jesus took particular care to note His defense of what is called, His “Little Lambs”.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:33amThis is ridiculous , but it shows the utter ignorance of our modern ” materialists.” Jesus did not come to put a chicken in every pot. His was a spiritual mission. His concern for the poor was based on feeding man‘s spirit by loving one’s fellow man. Jesus did not come as a political Messiah. Politicians use Jesus like they use everything else : to foster their own agenda. They have hijacked Jesus. They have stolen His message of “ Love your neighbor ” for their own message of ” We love power and material possessions.” The message to Hate has replaced His message to love.
Report Post »leeroyjenkis11
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:08amHe also never forced anybody to do anything, He gave the rich man a choice, sell all you have and follow me. Yes, help the poor, but not through the government, but through people. If I receive assistance from my friend I am much more likely to not waste that money. If I get it from a machine that gives it to me every week I would be more inclined to waste it.
Report Post »louise
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:32amScripture tells us that the government is on His shoulders. I am thinking that all political persuasions are going to be short-lived, and there will be a King who will rule with both benevolence and justice.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:11amThe King doesn’t need a political affiliation.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:37amAnd this is after the final confrontation with evil. We all keep skirting the issue of what is up ahead, as if we don‘t want to hear it so it won’t happen. Christ is going to be the head of the final army and destroy all evil. Again, no picking and choosing. While He was hear to promote love and learning to walk in His ways, to tell us what NOT to do, (by telling us what to do), and then at then end of the time where He will tolerate any more evil on this earth-He will clean it up. We are fighting a rear action to keep this part of the world available for people to find Him and learn of Him to follow His ways. The line in Independance Day was the perfect example of what is to come-it will be “time’s up”. Up to us to be ready, and help as many as we can for the days ahead, it’s going to get rocky. These endless arguement of what He said or who‘s side He’s on are just time wasting.
Report Post »skiz
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:32amHowever, I dont know why someone would think he is a dem. All they do is try to take him out of peoples lives. Take away faith and you take away hope! That was an easy one!
Report Post »votemallout
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:46amYou can’t take faith or Jesus away from somebody.
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:32amNeither you fools…..he is Jesus Christ. I could explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you……
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:31amLeft and Right should steer clear of this argument that neither could possibly win.
Silversmith
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:56amI don’t believe you can. From time to time the debate goes there. Morality determines law. Law can diverge from morality but it can’t go too far for too long. The stress would be too great. By genetics or by God (or both) law is rooted on morality.
Report Post »v15
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:31amThe democrats already have their savior – Barack Obama.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:37amHe’s not getting back up after three days either.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:30amLiberals enslave the poor with all the giveaway programs they have become dependent on.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:41amCesar’s bread and circus.
Report Post »skiz
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:29amNo it’s ALPHA and OMEGA! Politics are not remotely in the picture. Politics is dirty, lies, sex, deceit, etc. Jesus is PURE! I know it is hard for libs and to be fair some conservatives to understand but it is just that simple. THE BEGINNING / THE END. One day we will ALL see!
Report Post »JohnGalt
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:36amYou’ve got it, he’s above all this stuff.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:33amAMEN SKIZ!!! I had this discussion with some friends just two days ago. I wonder how purity will be restored in us in His kingdom after witnessing our own sin in addition to the path to complete immorality to which this world is headed. I absolutely long for purity.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:27pmYo CoPartiots:
Purity is not something a man would be to quick to speak about. I want mine back, and Jesus is the only one who has it and willing to give it;
Report Post »I want to be like Adam in the garden before the fall
Restored … thanks to Jesus, I will have it!
grace to you …
kickagrandma
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:29amNeither, thank GOD!
Report Post »starman70
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:35amAMEN!!!!!!
rqd. lc
Report Post »Mojoron
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:28amJesus separated him self from government with the phrase ‘give onto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and to God what is God’s”
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:34amActually, in saying that, He was pointing out that nothing belongs to Caesar. Can any of us except Satan himself say that we own something apart from and that does not ultimately come from and belong to God?
Report Post »piper60
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:42amSo where’s the gospel verse praising the bureaucratictate government as the source of all good?No big government fetish, no liberal.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:28amJesus Christ is our Lord and our Savior. He will judge each of us according to His will when the time comes.
Report Post »I do not like this argument of whether He is a Democrat or a Republican. It demeans His message and sacrifice.
v15
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:26amJesus would be pro life. He would be against the green movement yet he would establish probably a socialist society (Law of Consecration). Yes, he’s anti-war but I’m sure that he allows wicked to kill wicked (like in Syria). I’m sure he would be anti alcohol, anti-drug, anti-nicotine; basically, he would be against substance abuse of any form. I’m sure revolutionaries on the left have probably viewed Jesus as a fellow revolutionary in his own way. He would be pro-technology and would not levy excessive regulations or taxes. The socialist society he would establish would put him as the leader.
Report Post »sknight
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:21amHis government has already been selected and its a Monarchy. He is King, not president or prime minister. It would not be a socialist style of government. His will would be law. His will is currently espoused by the Bible. The Bible really doesn’t say how we will live in His kingdom. There will be on poor or sick so no need to serve any but Him. Since we will be perfect and without sin in Heaven, there will be no need of regulations. His law will live in our hearts and minds and we will do no evil.
Report Post »DLV
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:45amNooooo he would not establish a socialist society. Socialism focuses on the collective, Jesus is about the individual and Jesus can’t be at the head of socialism when there is no true head under a socialist system. He would probably be more of a conservative libertarian. He talked about personal responsibility , which falls to be libertarian, conservative, do I need to say it? anti-abortion, anti- gay marriage, not big government since he is about personal responibility, he did not want to force people into his message etc. Just look up a few things and the answer is clear. That said, he didn’t politicize on purpose so people would focus on his message which was a good thing, I’m just going off of what he taught and the answer is obvious. He would be part of neither of the two parties.
Report Post »v15
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:08pmThe whole “Would Jesus be a Democrat or Republican” question is just one to get two groups to hate on each other. Every religious figure can easily get publicized by both parties because both want to be associated with famous people throughout history that were advocating peace. There are many good people around but what divides us are the “how is the best way…to educate, provide healthcare for, etc” questions.
I still want to see the logical reasoning behind coming to the conclusion, based of your Christian faith, of condoning same-sex marriage or any of that kind of activity.
Report Post »ThankBabyJesus
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:24amJesus was neither you chuckleheads. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
Report Post »Impenitent
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:21amwhich translation of a forgotten language into a dead language will we claim is the true history?
the scripture says…
Report Post »Grasshopper42
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:20amLeave it to people to try and put the Savior into a the box of their political persuasion. Sad . . .
Report Post »term limits for congress
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:19amEasy: Jesus was not a liar.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:14amNeither. It seems rather, well frankly, heretical to make such a suggestion. Beyond even the wildest dreams of the schismatics and heretics of old. Jesus doesn’t “belong” to a political party of man (which would make him imperfect and thus not the Son of God), the most political thing you can say about Him is that folks used to say they belonged to *His* teachings and get their power from Him. Turning it on its head has to be at least a dozen types of sin, no matter who is doing the chest thumping claiming.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:27am^^^THIS!! Well said, GHOST!!
Jesus doesn’t belong to us, believers belong to Him!
As much as I dislike attaching Jesus for political gain, I am glad for His Name and Principles to be on the thoughts and minds of many. Hopefully and prayerfully, the Truth sinks in as they learn who He is.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:14amI would expect that my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ is apolitical regarding all of the world’s politics. There are more than just two sides when it comes to politics.
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:28amthe writer is wrong to politicize Jesus
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:36amProps where props are due Steelhead, nice to see we agree unambiguously about something. Common ground is a good thing.
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:53amghost – too bad the other restoring love crowd , read the comments, think it is OK to politicize J C
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:08amClaiming you love Christ and wish to follow his example is not political. Claiming Jesus believes in your political party is political. There is a difference. I outlined it in my initial post on the thread.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:18amLet’s not forget those who “settled” this country were escaping religious persecution. They were seeking a new land and a new beginning where they could worship God and live out His word to the best of their ability.
Our beliefs indeed influence the way we vote. Rather, more importantly, the way we believe society should be structured.
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