Is Jesus Christ Reaching Out to Muslims Through Their Dreams?
- Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:04pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Is Jesus Christ reaching out to Muslims through their dreams and encouraging them to embrace his teachings? This is exactly the phenomenon that some former Islamic adherents claim they have personally experienced. Numerous stories about Muslims, among others, who see the Christian savior in their dreams and convert as a result are streaming out of the Middle East.
While skeptics would certainly scoff at such a notion — and Muslims, themselves, may become incensed at proclamations affirming this dynamic, those who have experienced it swear by its authenticity.
Take, for instance, Ali, a man whose journey is documented in a recent Charisma News article. A few years ago, he was slated to go on the Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca known as Hajj. But, he claims something transformational happened along the way — something so pivotal that it stripped away the very faith he was attempting to affirm.
“Of course when I went to Mecca I was going there in order to pay homage to the Kabba and to fulfill the requirements in Islam,” Ali explained. ”That night I saw Jesus in a dream.”
Ali claims that Christ first touched his forehead with his finger and then said, “You belong to me.” After that, he touched above his heart and said, “You have been saved, follow me. You belong to me.”
After the dream, Ali pledged not to finish his pilgrimage and to follow Jesus’ voice. Thus, he inevitably became a Christian.
This, of course, could easily be dismissed by critics as a mere dream and nothing more. Perhaps Ali was experiencing questions about his faith and the journey to Mecca he embarked on. Often times, dreams are manifestations of thoughts, fears and emotions. But Ali and others reject this explanation, as they believe that Jesus truly reached out and called them.
A documentary called “More Than Dreams” highlights Ali’s complete story. An official description of his life reads (read a longer version of his story here):
This Turkish man in bondage to alcohol saw Jesus in a dream and his life was changed forever. Desperate, he moved to Saudi Arabia — a place where alcohol is forbidden. However, upon his arrival, he found liquor there. He then made the pilgrimage to Mecca, hoping to be freed of his addiction and to be led in the way of a true Muslim. To his surprise, he met Jesus Christ instead.
Watch Ali story about Jesus’ apparition, below:
As noted, Ali‘s experience isn’t the only one that has gained widespread attention. Khalil, a radical Egyptian terrorist, made a transition and accepted Christ after Jesus purportedly visited him in a dream as well. There are a number of other examples, too, from the “More Than Dreams” DVD.
Here‘s Khalil’s story:
Tom Doyle, author of the upcoming book “Dreams and Visions: Is Jesus Awakening the Muslim World,” and a staffer with e3 Ministries, says he’s seen this phenomenon before.
“We’re seeing that all around. We’re hearing about people that have never even thought about Jesus as savior,” Doyle told Charisma News. “They‘re content Muslims and they’re having dreams over and over.”
Doyle believes that “our God is a fair God” and that many Muslims are seeking and that they don’t know where to go. So, rather than a more overt conversion, he claims that Jesus is coming to them in their sleep. Charisma has more:
Doyle said the dream or vision is usually the start, not the end, of a Muslim’s conversion.
“Nobody goes to sleep a Muslim and wakes up a Christian, but it knocks down the false barriers that are inherent in Islam,” Doyle explained.
The Doyles said beneath the current revolution in the Middle East, there’s a spiritual earthquake.
“As things heat up politically and spiritually within Islam, man, the Holy Spirit is moving even more powerfully,” Joanna [his wife] said.
“This is the time when hearts are open, people are desperate, governments are changing,” her husband added. “Everybody’s foundation has massive cracks in it and Jesus is the answer that can come in and fill that need.”
Through dreams — and satellite television — more Muslims than ever are learning about the Christian savior. And, according to veteran missionaries, more than ever are also converting.
(H/T: Charisma News)
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Comments (263)
toomuchgovt
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:59pmMay we all follow Jesus. God Bless these people.
Report Post »txjb
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:00pmAmen .
Report Post »22AUTOMATIC
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:33pmHere is another story about this happening (one of thousands). – Start it at the 8:00 mark
http://www.itbn.org/index/detail/lib/Networks/sublib/TBN/ec/dqMXRtMzrRvl65g2XtfKiNmMUX83rKb-
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:25pmI heard this from M.E. friends about 5 years ago, then again in 2009. OF course they can’t say anything or even begin to hint. Their lives are totally at stake! THIS IS THE BEST CLUE we have that Islam is a CULT and not from GOD. That the people are AFRAID to say anything out loud. (Bet you thought I was going to say because of Jesus)…no! their FEAR is the most convincing quality of a CULT…any cult.
Report Post »Anytime people have to keep people behind barbedwire fences and/or threaten them/their loved ones…you know 1) It’s NOT from GOD (the GOD of ABRAHAM, ISAAC and JACOB – the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE 2) it IS a CULT (either for power or money or both)
The Other CLUE of course is that these Islamic Cultist want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Followers of GOD would never want that outcome for anyone, much less His Chosen People.
I’m glad this is being heard in the world. The day is coming. I don’t expect any of these people to stand up and admit it right now. I always pray for the Muslims, not their Captors. I know I’m not alone in doing that.
Hollywood
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:53pmJesus CAN and does reach into a non-believers life, as he did to Saul of Tarsus,on the road to Damascus, when he siad :Saul,why do you presecute me?Saul[later changed to Paul] spent his time as a Jewish Rabbi hunting down Christians, before his conversion to Christianity. God/Jesus IS Sovereign, and will do as He chooses. I pray he visits many mor Muslims, and rescues them from the blackness of Islam.
Report Post »Roborepublican
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:57pmWow, I love this, God bless them and all the Christians being persecuted for their faith.
Report Post »db321
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:43pmGod is always present were God is needed most.
God, also has been trying to reach Black American asking them not to vote for Abortion, Gay Marriage and Non Support of Israel. Most Black American reply back to God that their Savior is Obama and he’s got them covered.
So I guess we will be seeing more Muslims in Heaven, than Black. I never would have imagined.
Report Post »Ohello
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:33pmAgreed but with the corruption of the media and of human kind can you be sure these reports are not just a figment of deception along the lines of Global Warming ?
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:38pmOne simple answer…..Of course He is !!!! This is nothing new. God has spoken to many many people in their dreams through the ages. This is an awesome thing and as Christians we should fast and pray that it continues and that God would raise up native former Islamic men and women as missionaries to their own countrymen. The gates of Hell shall never prevail.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:13pmA few years back..a retired General gave me a book to read by Joel Rosenberg called Epicenter..It was this book which spoke of 6 million muslims being converted to Christianity because of Jesus’s coming to them in dreams and visions and performing miracles and healings.. I have always felt sorry for these people who have been lied to and used for political purposes. But God said “my sheep hear my voice when I call their name”
Report Post »Landon410
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:51pmLuke 19 tells us that if all else is quit, even rocks will yell out and praise God.
I think its pretty clear to us that is is silent in these parts of the world and these people might be seeing God through the silence
Report Post »Ded-Bred
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:27pmAmen! But ain’t no rock gonna take my place, for I shall praise Him!!!
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:12amLandon…You have got it right…I know it. What we have in this part of the world is constant babble, distracting if not totally obtrusive. Americans are lucky to get any peace these days . A person needs quiet time to tune in, wouldn’t you say?
Report Post »ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 2:55pmWow, you folks are in full-blown delusion huh?
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:50pmChrist will touch the heart of every man, woman and child that will let him. Life is not about one religion vs. another religion. Life is about preparing oneself to meet God by obedience to the laws and ordinances established by God. There is only one name under heaven whereby this can be accomplished. This name is not Moses. This name is not Budha. This name is not Mohammad. Christ is the Only Begotten of the Father and the only means whereby man can be saved.
Many good men have been inspired by God to teach great philosophies. But only one perfect man sacrificed Himself for all of humanity.
Agency allows one to choice from multiple choices. However, agency does not impact truth. Truth is eternal and will not change.
Report Post »Cavallo
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:49pm“Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
Report Post »Joyzee
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:48pmyes in their dreams’ because Jesus does not decapitate
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:18pm@ JOYZEE- Luke 22:36: Then said he (Jesus) unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword (used to chop off heads), let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luke 19:27: But those mine enemies, which would not that I (Jesus) should reign over them, bring hither, and kill (use the swords) them before me.
Report Post »whitefantom
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:52pmNice try, but even a smidge of context would demonstrate that you either did a quick text search for “sword” and pulled out the first verses you found without bothering to read anything around them, or you’re just just plain lying on purpose.
Luke 22:36 comes toward the end of the Last Supper, right after Jesus tells Peter that before the **** crows, peter will deny Jesus three times. he’s trying to prepare the apostles for what lies ahead, to warn them that the people are going to turn against them and they may need to take measures to defend themselves:
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33 But he replied, “Lord, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death.”
34 Jesus answered, “I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me.”
35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”
“Nothing,” they answered.
36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
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Since there’s a character limit on each post, I’m going to deal with the second verse in another post.
Report Post »whitefantom
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:58pmThe second verse is even more divorced from its context than the first. You attribute the speaker of Luke 19:27 as Jesus himself, but Jesus is not the speaker at all. This line appears at the end of the parable of the ten Minas:
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20 “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
22 “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’
24 “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’
25 “‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’
26 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
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The speaker who said this line about killing his enemies in front of him is the king in the parable, not Jesus.
Either take the time to read the context before you post, or just don’t bother–you on
Report Post »jaxson
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:36pmSURHANCYBERJIHADSATAN– still waiting for you to provide us with a single shred of archaeological or historical evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD, or it’s Kaaba before the 5th century. … Its been over a 2 months and you just ignore the question and run to anither story to terrorize more readers….
Report Post »Dont forget that quoting the Bible (your usual technique) to prove this point wont cut it sirhan. YOU state “the Bible is not the Word of God” therefore using it to prove any argument would be the equal to quoting any book of fiction to prove a point!
We need archaeological or historical evidence….. not quotes.
I know you are frustrated and angry surhancyberjihadsatan
waiting patiently for your reply.
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R ighteous Almighty God has provided all the
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N eeded to Prove The Sacred Bible as the true Word of God. :]
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES of
surhancyberjihadsatan’s buddies havin a picnic!
http://www.ajuaa.com/lookme/play.php?vid=958
jaxson
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:37pmWhat kind of narcissistic freak (other than a troll or surhansurhan), would spend so much time on the message boards of THEBLAZE, with absolutely NO SUPPORTERS for his position? How tragic that an individual would be so depraved for attention that he would actually enjoy the constant rejection surhancyberjihadsatan secretly relishes. What a withered little troll all shacked up with his newfangled computer feeling such power.
Report Post »Deep down inside he wants to join us. But alas, poor surhansatan, he cant! His countrymen could kill him with no fear of retribution if he admits the errors of islam, or were to apologize on behalf of islam for thousands of modern day murders in the name of allah. So with sword in hand he waits for the end to come. Murderous, deeply seeded hatred, filled with deceptive beguiling darkness, from his youth.
How sad. :[
On a lighter note:
According to the Guinness Book of World Records, The Bible is the worlds best-selling and most widely distributed book. A survey by the Bible Society concluded that around 2.5 billion copies were printed between 1815 and 1975, but more recent estimates put the number at more than 5 billion.
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-1/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction/
Great fun here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg7QJKEyumw&feature=fvwrel
:]
SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 12:39amMatthew 5:30: And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee…
Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet…
Matthew 18:9: And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye…
Is this the loving God you serve?
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:41am@surhansurhan…that hand that offends me, is you. The foot that offends me is your religious beliefs, the eye that offends me is your false prophet muhammed, the damned one. and what offends me the most is appollion, (AKA -allah, the lizard demon)…may he come to perdition. You know better than any one else here that Islam is a death cult….you just like it like that. Your leaders have been psychotic far longer than our basket of nuts. I know you.
Report Post »whitefantom
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:47amReallt, Surhan, give up. You and I both know you’re just running quick text searches for “inflammatory” words and phrases and pulling out verses without even attempting to read the context around them.
If you’re posting these out without bothering to read them in context on your own, you’re simply foolish and ignorant (willfully); if you’re aware, at least to some extent, of the context of these verses but are posting them out-of-context to intentionally create a false sense of meaning as a way of “proving” your point, you’re being disgustingly deceitful. Neither option is very attractive.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 6:16amDeuteronomy 25:11-12: “If two men get into a fight and the wife of one tries to rescue her husband by grabbing the testicles of the other man, 12 you must cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
Exodus 21:7: “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.
Are these the words of Prophet Muhammad?
John 12:15: “Don’t be afraid, people of Jerusalem. Look, your King is coming, riding on a donkey’s colt.” (Is this an attribute of God…to ride a baby donkey?)
2 Samuel 22:11: And he (God) rode upon a cherub (an angel with smooth skin), and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. (Is this a quality or an attribute of God…God cannot get from one place to another without riding a baby donkey or an angel) what kind of a God is this?
Report Post »whitefantom
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 12:37pm@Surhan:
I’m not going to deal with the out-of-context verses, since we’ve already established you intentially post verses without even attempting to represent the context (whether intentionally or out of willful ignorance, I’m not sure). I could continue from now till doomsday giving context to your quotes, and you’ll simply respond with more out-of-context quotes, without ever going back to address previous instances when your out-of-context quotes have been shown to mean nothing even close to what you try to represent them to mean. You’re throwing things against the wall at randon, hoping to get anything you can to stick.
However, I will address the last two verses you quoted, because this demonstrates perfectly why we’re at odds–we have fundamentally different ideas about the nature of God.
I take it, from the comments of other posters, that you’re Muslim, and as such, you see Allah as a king who rules by might; anything else would be weakness, and God cannot be weak. But for Christians, God is king not merely because he is mighty and powerful, but because he is perfect and absolute love–and love, to Christians, is an action, not a feeling, and involves a complete surrendering of one‘s self and one’s own desires for the sake of another.
(Continued in next post)
Report Post »whitefantom
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 12:38pmIs it befitting of God to ride into town on a donkey? Yes, it is. Jesus wasn’t born into a noble family–he was the son of a carpenter. He didn’t rule by might; instead, He served others. Jesus was humble, and over and over He emphasized to the apostles that true power comes from humility and service to others, not from sheer brute force in overpowering all opposition. You even quoted above from a chapter where Jesus says exactly this:
Luke 22: 25-27:
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25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.
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A similar statement is made in Mark 10:42-45:
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42 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 43 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. 45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
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whitefantom
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 12:39pm(Continued from the two posts above)
This is, at its core, where our disagreement lies, and why, when we each talk about God, we’re essentially speaking different languages to each other. To you, a man who is a servant and rides into town on a donkey cannot be God because, in your view, such things are beneath God. But to me, those things are *essential* to who God is: a Father who sacrificed His only begotten Son so that we all could be saved; and a Son who was born to a humble carpenter, lived a life in service to others, and finally gave His own life to save me.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 6:07pm@ WHITEFANTOM- God has certain qualities and attributes. Eating food, drinking water, riding donkey’s and cherubs, begetting children are not part of his qualities/attributes.
When we talk about or describe God, we have to use words that are not contaminated words. Words like John 3:16. It is not befitting of God to say that God has begot a son. Beget means to have sex and produce.
Matthew 1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
How can God beget a son without a wife?! If the sky had feelings like you and me, it would burst open to know that the merciful God has begotten a son. If the mountains had feelings like you and me, they would fall down in utter ruin to know that the merciful God has begotten a son. If the earth had feelings like you and me, it would split asunder to know that the merciful God has begotten a son.
Numbers 23:19: God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through? (This is the quality/attribute of God that the Muslim believes in).
Report Post »whitefantom
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 12:18am@Surhan:
Again, we’re operating under two completely different conceptions of God. They are not compatible. Your God–Allah–is not my God; and my God–the God of the Old and New Testament–is not your God. We may as well be trying to compare Zeus to Brahma, or Odin to Osiris.
Don’t get me wrong, however–I’m not a relativist. I believe there is one, objective, absolute truth, and I believe the Bible represents that truth. I believe there is a God, and that He is the God of the Bible. But when you and I talk about God, we’re not talking about the *same* God, and when I say that God has a begotten Son, who is also God, I’m not saying those things about Allah, as if we’re talking about the same being.
The Koran doesn’t describe the same God as the Bible anymore than the Hindu Vedas or the Egyptian Book of the Dead describe the same God. So understand that when I talk about God, I’m not talking about Allah and “perverting” him with attributes that go against the Koran–I don’t believe in Allah any more than I believe in Zeus or Brahma or Odin or Osiris, and my God is not the same as any of those.
(Continued in further posts below)
Report Post »whitefantom
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 12:19am(continued from above)
All of that being said, in the spirit of addressing certain points you brought up (keeping in mind we’re talking about the Christian God, *not* Allah–so you don’t need to be offended):
The phrase “to beget,” as defined by the World English Dictionary, means, “to father; to cause or create.” In itself, it does not imply nor require sex–it means to create by way of being father to. God create Adam and Eve from the dust of the earth and from a rib, respectively–it’s not exactly difficult to imagine that God can also create life directly in the womb of a mother. The very reason Mary is known as the Virgin Mother (and her pregancy as the Immaculate Conception) is precisely because it did not involve sex–Jesus was created within her womb, to be born as all of us are born (which is why it’s important to Christians to specify that Jesus was “begotten”–He didn’t just spring forth from the ground, he was created in the womb and was born of an earthly mother–thus, while being God, he was also human).
More importantly, “begotten” is only an Englush translation; the original Greek word used in John 3:16 is “monogenes,“ which means ”unique or only child.”
Report Post »whitefantom
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 12:23am(Continued)
Jesus’ nature as both God and man in the same person is vital to Christianity. To quote the Life Application Study Bible (Tyndale/Zondervan, 1997):
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Why is the virgin birth important to the Christian faith? Jesus Christ, God’s Son, had to be free from the sinful nature passed on to all other human beings by Adam. Because Jesus was born of a woman, he was a human being; but as the Son of God, Jesus was born without any trace of human sin. Jesus is both fully human and fully divine.
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You said, “God has certain qualities and attributes. Eating food, drinking water, riding donkey’s and cherubs, begetting children are not part of his qualities/attributes.”
This may be true of Allah; it is not true of the God of the Bible. The only thng that is “ungodly” is sin–God cannot sin (sin can be defined as “disobedience to the will of God.” There are no laws that govern God’s behavior–whatever He does is, by nature, His will, and by definition cannot be called sin). There is nothing sinful about eating, drinking water, or riding donkeys or cherubs (we already dealt with the “begetting” issue above). Again, because Allah and the God of the Bible are fundamentally different beings, you’re comparing apples or oranges. For Allah, human actions may be “beneath him” in some way, and therefore counter to his nature, but the same is not true of the God described in the Bible.
Report Post »whitefantom
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 12:25am(Continued…and the last :-) )
Finally, to address Numbers 23:19: this verse (and others similar to it in 1 Samuel 15:29, Malachi 3:6, and James 1:17) illustrate that God is eternal, unchangable, and infallible–unlike human beings who, because of Adam’s sin, are inherently fickle, malleable, and sinful. When Balaam says, “God is not a man,” he’s saying “God is not by nature a fallible, sinful being.”
Likewise, while Jesus was *human*, he was also infallible and without sin (as mentioned above in the “begotten” discussion, Jesus, by virtual of being created directly by God within the womb of His mother, was born free of the sin passed down from Adam). This factor of Jesus’ nature–that He is both human–and thus able to die–as well as divine–and thus pure and without sin–is essential to the Christian concept of salvation through the death of Christ. Jesus was human, with a heart, lungs, breath, and blood, but he was the only human who has ever lived to be born without sin–and to die without sin. That’s why His death is able to offer salvation for the sins of mankind–because He was a pure sacrifice, a lamb without blemish.
I’ve addressed all the points you brought up, but again, I want to emphasize that when I talk about God, I am *not* talkig about Allah, so you don’t have to rush to his “defense” by declaring these attributes somehow “unbecoming” of your God–it isn‘t your God I’m describing.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 2:37am@ WHITEFANTOM- First, I want to start the conversation off by saying there’s only one God. The loving Father in heaven. And we are commanded to worship Him. The Bible tells us to not worship anything of the likeness in the heavens, on earth, or the waters beneath the sea (again, this is the Muslim concept of God).
John 4:24: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (this is the teaching of Islam)
You said: “Your God–Allah–is not my God; and my God–the God of the Old and New Testament–is not your God.”
I’ll give you partial credit for that statement. Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them) worshiped the same God. Jesus too, called God Allah:
Matthew 27:46: And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
The Bible has preserved the Hebrew text and it has preserved the translation of what the Hebrew text means. El in Hebrew means God. Eli in Hebrew means God. And Elohim in Hebrew means God. Hebrew and Arabic (the language of Prophet Muhammad) are sister languages. When Jesus said Eli, Eli…he was in affect saying (Allah, Allah, why has thou forsaken me?).
You said: ““begotten” is only an English translation; the original Greek word used in John 3:16 is “monogenes,“ which means ”unique or only child.””
We‘re all God’s children metaphorically speaking (continued)
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 3:15am@ WHITEFANTOM- It is beneath the dignity of God to attribute human qualities to Him. The argument between you and me is the word “begotten”. You said the word “begotten” has been replaced, and I agree. You Christians are moving closer to the Muslims (for over 1400 years Muslims have been asking you Christians to get rid of the word “begotten”), but you’re dragging your feet.
You said the word “begotten has been replaced with the words unique/only. My question to you and all Christians is…how can Jesus be the “only” son of God, when in the book of Psalms, David is referred to as God’s son?
Psalm 2:7: I (David) will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. (KJV)
Psalm 2:7: The king proclaims the LORD’s decree: “The LORD said to me, ‘You are my son. Today I have become your Father. (NLT)
David was forty years old when he spoke these words 100 years before Jesus was born. How can a man be “begotten” at the age of 40?
The Bible ascribe sons by the tons to God. I don’t have enough room here to list them all, but I will say this: Romans 8:14 gives the perfect definition of the term son-of-God:
Romans 8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Jesus was led by the spirit of God, therefore, he is most preeminently the son of God. The Muslim has no problem with Romans 8:14.
Did Jesus ever claim to be God? (Continued)
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 3:56am@ WHITEFANTOM- Did Jesus ever say (I am God) or (worship me)? Did he ever say (God and I are one and the same)?
I have a friend that worships Buddha as God. I have many friends (and I’d like to include you as one of them) that worships Jesus as God. My Christian friend(s) would poke fun at my Buddhist friend for worshiping Buddha as God. So, I asked my friend that worships Buddha as God, if Buddha ever claimed to be. His reply was; “no, we call/make him God.” My Christian friends roared in laughter. I turned to them and pointed out that they are doing the exact same thing as the Buddhist by worshiping Jesus as God. If Jesus was God he should’ve said so, but he never said anything like that because he’s not God.
One of God’s attributes is, He knows, everything. Well, Jesus admits in the Bible, he has no idea when the day of judgement would come:
Mark 13:32: But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son (Jesus is referring to himself), but the Father.
Knowledge is part of God. He knows our secret feeling, our secret emotions, and our secret thoughts. God knows everything! Jesus is admitting, he doesn’t know when the last day is.
At one point in his life on earth, Jesus didn’t know what season it was. (Continued)
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 4:28am@ WHITEFANTOM-
Mark 11:12-13 And on the morrow (means next day), when they were come from Bethany, he (Jesus) was hungry (I can’t imagine a hungry God. He feeds you and me, but He, Himself is not fed. Broiled fish and honeycomb are not His diet.):
13And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he (Jesus) came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
Jesus is hungry, he’s lost his barrings, he sees a fig tree off in the distance with leaves and he says to himself, (I think I’ll have some figs) and when he came to the tree it had nothing but leaves…why? The scriptures tells us (for the time of figs was not yet)…which means the figs were still out of season.
If Jesus is God, what kind of a God is this?! God Almighty ought to know if a fruit is in season. If the fruit is out of season, you have no right to curse the tree for not barring fruit out of season! No right!
Your father has made a certain law, in a certain season the tree will bare fruit and in another season the tree will not bring forth fruit. As a matter of fact, you don’t have to be a God to know if a fruit is out of season. All you need to have is common knowledge of your area. Unless you‘re in a country that you’ve never visited before. You can excuse the person for not knowing what fruit is out of season or in season.
(Continued)
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 5:12am@ WHITEFANTOM- You said: “Jesus was human, with a heart, lungs, breath, and blood, but he was the only human who has ever lived to be born without sin–and to die without sin.”
My question to you and all Christians is: what sin did John the Baptist commit? The Bible tells us that John the Baptist received the Holy Ghost while he was still in his mother’s womb:
Luke 1:15: For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord (holy and without sin), and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.
Matthew 11:11 “I (Jesus) tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived (Abraham, Noah, Moses, Lot, Solomon, David, Job) none is greater than John the Baptist.
What sin did Zachariah and Elizabeth (the parents of John the Baptist) commit?
Luke 1:6: And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
What sin did Mary the mother of Jesus commit?
Luke 1:28-30 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
What sin did Noah and Jeremiah (God made him a Prophet before he was in the womb) commit?
Report Post »PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:13amSimple. Sur’s a Scientomuslim. He’s rallying his imaginary friends to jihad blaze with his dianetics and drugs. Using the Bible out of context to criticize the decapitating swords he loves so much. It‘s too bad the Bible wasn’t for him to understand. Again I love you Sur, but really? Lighten up.
Report Post »txn4justice
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:40pmThey are lucky if he reaches outr through their dreams.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:54pmI think the word you’re looking for is Graced.
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:37pmJesus is going to get even more involved in the world toward the end and we are in the end times. Jesus will be dramatically healing and appearing to people all over the world. The time of separating the sheep from the goats is coming and the ones who refuse to believe will be sealing their fates. The choice between coming to God’s side or staying on the side of satan will become very clear the closer we come to the end. There will not be any doubt of whose side a person is on.
Report Post »Hickory
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:35pmOne of my readers (from my other moniker) has informed me that they and their contacts will no longer call American Islamists as Muslims. From now on, they will be referred to as “mosqueteers”. So, I am taking that reader’s advice and will follow suit. You might want to do the same as it really ticks them off.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:51pmLOL .. “mosqueteers” I like it.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:34pmDr Jim Denison has been writing about this for awhile now. He frequently asks that we pray for those muslims who do accept Jesus as their Savior. With a hopeful heart, I pray that they will come to know salvation through Our Lord.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:32pm“Khalil, a radical Egyptian terrorist, made a transition and accepted Christ”
Christ doesn’t need out acceptance, we need His. We’ve got to get away from this completely unBiblical phrase “I accepted Christ.”
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:43pmWe have His. “If anyman come unto me I will give him rest.“ or ”Lo, I stand at the door and knock. If any man open the door I will enter in and sup with him”
We must accept Him as God and our Saviour. That’s what is meant by it. Although, I understand the premise of your point.
Report Post »texgo2003
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:50pmWe already have his. One needs to ACCEPT the truth or not for themselves. Jesus loves everyone!
Report Post »eric6161
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:56pmWe accept Christ as Lord and Savior. Christ accepts us into the kingdom of God.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:52pmThe_Doors_Of_Perception
Yes you did thank you …that’s all I wanted to know .
I know you believe this is all hypothetical ..
But I believe this will be a choice that most people
will have to answer in the very near future .
I know I could never denounce my God .for another.
But I never heard what someone that doesn’t
Report Post »believe in any God …would do in this situation.
Randyco02
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:29pmI dreamed that all these fables and fairy tales that mankind made up so they wouldn’t be afraid of dying were just that, fables and fairy tales.
Report Post »princessnutsack
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:36pmThat’s your opinion, why stir the pot? Why are atheists so angry and bitter all the time? So we believe and you don’t…..how does that in any way effect you? You just want to make nasty comments.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:39pmAs long as you believe that way…You better be afraid of dieing.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:45pmBecause we want to move on and into the 21st century and its hard to do when people still believe in unicorns and hobgolins that tell them how to live their life.
Report Post »Randyco02
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:51pm@princessnutsack, I am not bitter or angry. You can believe in whatever you want to. It just makes it harder as a country when so many people continue to believe in fairy tales as adults.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:51pmSawbuck you should be afraid of dying too. Just statistically speaking the chance you picked the right religion are slim to none.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:52pmNot afraid of dying here… I rather look forward to it.
Report Post »Randyco02
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:52pm@sawbuck, Why would I be afraid of dying? will God punish me for not believing? What if you are right about God but you picked the wrong religion…
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:57pmTo non-believers..I never asked this before …
I have a Question ..being you don’t believe in God.
If a person puts a sword to your neck and tells you
either swear allegiance to his god and take his gods Mark…
or be beheaded.
What would you do…? (seriously)
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:00pmI know you look forward to dying, so do islamic martyrs. Its sick and a waste.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:05pmYou know I could understand back in Jesus’ time when the common folk were persucuted by the Jewish heirarchy, controlled by the Romans, made life almost unbearable to live. Literally. There is a kingdom of heaven…ahhhh that sounds so much better than this living hell in the desert. But now there is no reason to look forward to death, life is so beautiful and worth living here in America. Don’t look forward to death, look forward to life. It’s all you got man and its freaking beautiful.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:06pm@The_Doors_Of_Perception: You seem vexed. We live forever… so who is really afraid here? Only the 2nd death is to be feared. I think you may need to open those doors of perception and do some investigating.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:08pmSawbuck, no sure what the hell you meant but I have a questions for you.
Either accept Jesus and live happily ever after in eternity or don’t and suffer hell for eternity.
Is that really a choice?
Isn’t that just a sword to the neck?
Report Post »eric6161
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:18pmWhen I was young I was an atheist. I had the usual reasons… if there were a God how could he allow x,y,z to happen. At the time I never dreaded dying as I compared it to being anethetized. At some point as an adult I came to realize and accept Jesus Christ is God. Now when I think of dying it’s not a ho hum thing… it’s a feeling of joy that I will be in the presence of God. Now I could care less what others do for God as that is not my concern but what have I given. To those that much has been given much is expected. God doesn’t just ask for a persons money… He asks for everything… IQ, talents, and time …everything. God never demands that the rich give everything they have to follow Jesus Christ… but they might want to reflect mightily before they choose not do His will.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:20pmHe means, what are you willing to die for? Would you be willing to die for your disbelief? Or would you say whatever you had to in order to live? It’s not a tough question.
Not sure the promise of eteranal peace and love is akin to having an axe to your head. But, to each his own….
You all reveal your bigotry in your posts. You claim to not care what we believe and then complain that we are holding you back. Better we were all eliminated eh? Come on, be honest. The elimination of Christians is the ultimate fantasy of an athiest.
I’ll make your day for you then, it’s going to pretty much happen. We will be all taken out of the earth and you’ll have 7 years of christian-free world (except for some Jews who will convert and start preaching the gospel). Let’s see how that works out for ya.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:27pmMeyvn I am vexed as you put it. Religion impedes…just like talk of second deaths and yada yada does. It moves away from real conversations and brings us back to the lunacy of the bronze age. Is it a mystery why the tree from which Eve took the apple(of course it was the woman) was called the tree of knowledge? Knowledge is anathema to religion, it would much rather have you talking about second deaths, eternal life, angels, demons, talking animals, and countless miracles than biology, astronomy, chemistry, anthropology, and geology. It would much rather have you praying for death that living life. It would rather ground you in the unseen and unprovable world of superstitions and ghosts than reality. So yes, I am vexed. I feel better when I know I at least played a small part in trying to save the sanity of human kind.
sawbuck
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:29pmThe_Doors_Of_Perception
Not hard ..I believe in 2 deaths..
A Christian is not afraid of the first or second death..
It really wasn’t a difficult question ..
Report Post »You don’t believe in God …So you don’t believe in a afterlife ..
You believe in only ONE death.
So you have to “choose” between dieing the ONLY life
you believe in …OR swearing to a god and take his mark..
(Not a trick question) As a Christian this is a no-brainer..
I just wanted a Atheist point if view.. on this decision .
The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:34pmSo you don’t see the parallel between eternal life or hell to death or life? Interesting.
Of course I don’t want to eliminate you. I want you to live how you see fit. I just want to see your conversations eliminated as legitimate through education and knowledge. It will happen eventually of course…when talk about angels & demons is in the same category as talking to the resurrected Elvis.
I don’t want to force anything. It will happen naturally again through education and knowledge. I want to people to seek knowledge of real things as if they have an unquenchable thirst.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:41pm@sawbuck
Well its easy there is only proof of one death. So I will live my life as best I can and take pride in my life. Live life so when I wake up in the morning I can look myself in the mirror. When proof comes along that there is a second death then I will begin to ponder it as anything I should waste my time with.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:13pmThe doors of perception.
Would you swear allegiance to a god and
take his mark…. to a belief you don’t believe in…
In order to save your hide…? YES…OR ….NO
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:23pmIf I understand you correctly I guess it would depend. The fact of swearing allegiance to any god if it meant saving my life seems ok because I wouldn’t mean it obviously, it would just be a way to get out of death. Its just words. But if it means I had to follow the tenets of that gods religion that they enforce here on earth, depending on what those tenets are, then I would just take the sword.
Did I understand you correctly?
Report Post »NJBarFly
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:37pmSawbuck – If some religious zealot had a sword to my neck, I would say whatever he wanted to hear. I would tell him I wear women’s panties if it made him put the sword away. If a Muslim had a knife to my neck, I would tell him Muhammad is great and the Qur’an is the best book I ever read. They’re only words. It wouldn’t change my actual belief one bit.
Report Post »NJBarFly
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:50pmSquid – “We will be all taken out of the earth and you’ll have 7 years of christian-free world”
What is God waiting for? Christians have been saying this for thousands of years. It’s just a big tease!
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:08pmEvery argument that I’ve ever heard from an atheist turns on their supposed superior intellect (If there is a God… why does it allow sickness, genocide, murder, natural disasters…? The objections go on and on) and condescending attitude towards those who take a leap of Faith that something that is “unprovable” to the atheists exists. They never accept the answers given because Faith is first and foremost a gift/grace that cannot be achieved primarily through the intellect. That’s what St. Thomas Aquinas discovered after completing his Suma Theologica. It is a good start for the journey of the mind, but eventually one must let the “Heart”, in humbleness, lead where the mind cannot go, which is the gift of Grace from God. Since atheists are full of pride of the intellect, they will have an extremely difficult time accepting the reality of God for it truly requires humility. That is why we make supplications to the Lord God on their behalf through prayer and fasting so that they might be open to the promptings of the Spirit.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:14pm(cont.)
Report Post »That is why we make supplications to the Lord God on their behalf through prayer and fasting so that they might be open to the promptings of the Spirit.
“O my dearest Savior, Jesus Christ, accept my gift of prayer and sacrifices to help save my brothers and sisters from the prison of darkness they are in. Allow me to help salvage their souls. I beg you to forgive them for their sins and I ask that you flood their souls with the Holy Spirit so that they will run into your arms as the refuge they so desperately need before they are lost forever. I offer you my gift of surrender for such souls in humble servitude and thanksgiving. Amen.”
Matt
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:33pmIf that was true than every single christian would be afraid of dying. And every christian would have been afraid of dying before becoming christian.
I was not afraid of death even before I was a christian. When you are an atheist, what is there to fear? When you die, you will not be around to suffer it. You are just dead in that belief system, over.
The only way death is worth fearing is if you both believe in an afterlife and refuse to repent of the things you know you did that were bad. Then you would expect to go to hell, and then you would fear death greatly.
Report Post »fights
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:51pmOne of my favorite quotes is from John Lennox, British theologian/apologist: “Stephen Hawking says heaven is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark, I say atheism is a fairy story for people afraid of the light.” WELL SAID, DR. LENNNOX and very true!
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:48pmThe_Doors_Of_Perception
Yes you did thank you …that’s all I wanted to know .
I know you believe this is all hypothetical ..
But I believe this will be a choice that most people
will have to answer in the very near future .
I know I could never denounce my God .for another god
But I never heard what someone that doesn’t
believe in any God …would do in this situation.
NJBARFLY
Thanks .. I figured that’s what most would say..
no consequences means “tell them what ever they want to hear”.
I believe there is coming a time (soon) when you guys might have
Report Post »to re-evaluate your stance on your choice though.
NJBarFly
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:59pmSawbuck- No offense, but I think it’s rather selfish not to lie and tell him whatever he wants to hear. Especially if you have a family, children, etc… Isn‘t it really what’s in your heart that counts? The words are just that. I’m sure your God would understand. Seems pointless to die over something so trivial.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:37pmNJBARFLY
This choice In the question I posed..
is more than ….just telling a lie to get out of it..
(This all revolves around end of the age prophecy)
It is the difference between Eternal Damnation
Or Eternal Salvation…
To take the Mark…seals a persons fate.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:32pmIt’s so funny to see someone who has the ability to instantly communicate with someone on the other side of the globe(thanks to science and technology) sit here and talk about “second deaths” “marks” “eternal salvation” “eternal damnation”
Just boggles my mind to think that there are people out there who work a 9-5 dead end job as a customer service representative while also believing it’s morally correct to believe that someone had to die for our “sins” to save our “souls” from “an eternity of damnation”
Just blows my mind.
Report Post »sputnik
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 2:25amAtheism like every other religion has fairy tales of its own (like how life began) and worships at the feet of random chance. Science can only tell what and how, but is never able to answer the questions of why. It is nature of human reasoning to search for answers of why and mankind is driven to seek meaning. Finding meaning will always be a subjective experience and cannot be done by proxy. Therefore atheists will always be baffled by those who follow religion and those who are religious will always be baffled by those who don’t know any god; empathy and understanding are limited in capacity and people will never break free of their inherent isolation.
Report Post »frogg
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:27pmI wish that he would hurry up and get to them all!!!!!
Report Post »Hova
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:33pmNo, sadly God enjoys torturing people too much to just reveal himself to everyone so that everyone could get saved.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:45pm@HOVA
Your cup of blasphemy is filling quickly on one story. You oughtta spread it out a little more lest the judgment take you quickly and deprive us someone to debate. Just lookin out for ya….
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:15pm@SquidVetOhio, pray for him. The poor boy really needs help PDQ.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:51pmI’m just saying, if God is so great and powerful, why doesn’t he just get rid of Hell so everyone gets saved? It seems like I could be a better God than God. After destroying Hell and letting everyone trapped in Hell into Heaven, I’d get rid of SIDS. Why would a God need to kill babies randomly? In fact, why does God need a Jesus? I’d demote him to the mail room. If I’m God, I shouldn’t need anyone to do work. I could literally do everything with zero effort. BING! Everyone’s saved! ZING! Everyone’s happy! BOOM! Cake for everyone! And I’d want to do that, because I’d be all-loving. If I were God, I’d get the job done literally quadrillions of times faster than the Christian God. Seriously, it took Him two thousand years to realize that not appearing before everyone can lead to doubts of his existence? And even after he realized that, his solution would have been laughable if it wasn’t so cruel. “LOL, I‘mma kill the whole world because you don’t believe in me and fall below my standards!” Doesn’t seem like the smart thing to do, does it? I’d just manifest myself to everyone and say, “Hey, I’m God. I‘ll be cool to you if you’re cool to me. Is that a deal, bro? Alright, catch you later.” Man, you’d all love me if I were God.
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:18pmHova,
Report Post »You are a very foolish man.
You will be humbled in due course.
Hova
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:28pmWhat, you’re gonna pray to God to beat me up or something?
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:30pmNo he pretty much hit it on the head…if there is a god and its the one you guys believe in he is not very good at his job or just cruel and devious. Everything points to one thing…he is man made. We are not made in god’s image we made him in ours. Why do you think he keeps changing? All together now: Because we change!
Report Post »ICEDRAGON
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:46pmHOVA, Please take your foot out of your mouth. I can tell you come to us from a black theology class and/or Church. It’s not true to the WORD. So beware of what you say about the Lord and Savior.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:47pmGod gives the gift of free will. We often misuse that gift causing all manner of terrible things to happen to ourselves and to innocent bystanders. Call that misuse sin, if you will.
Lucifer, a beautiful and fatally proud angel, was cast out of the Presence of God for deeming himself like God. He creates big problems for humanity of whom he is insanely jealous. Call it cosmic evil, if you will.
Sometimes cosmic evil gets sin to work with it and really bad things happen to those who are in the way. Call it genocide, etc., if you like.
Bottom line – God has granted free will which allows for bad things to happen to good people. He has also offered life everlasting to those who want to take Him up on it. God excludes no one. We exclude ourselves by choice.
Report Post »Halo9x
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:10pmHova, God’s love allows free will. If He only gave you one choice or no choice then you would be complaining about that! God is love which calls for selflessness and compassion in His children towards others. Salvation is by grace accepted by active faith. Many people are into themselve and doing their will. What you are asking is why doesn’t God just save everyone, but you are really asking for God to force people to be with Him who are really don’t want to live or be like Him.
Report Post »It seems as if you have never read the Bible. I suggest you read Matthew through Acts before moving on to the rest of the New Testament.
Max jones
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:22amHova has become one of Oprah’s disciples. You will meet many of these kind all over the place: smart like God and very generous with other folks’ money and effort. I don‘t know what he’s doing on this site.
Report Post »He’s supposed to be window shopping and trolling for casual sex.
INTHEBROTHERHOOD
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:42amhova,hova,hova……get a grip brother….listen to yourself….whats your faith? and dont say, you dont have one. …your far too educated and opinionated to not have some belief. lets hear it…
Report Post »Hova
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 4:10amHow do the tribes of Borneo reject God through their free will if they are not even aware of who God is? Also, the desire to sin is not the desire to go to Hell, so why do people who sin “choose” to go to Hell? Why are sinners barred from Heaven? God literally can do anything. Why doesn’t he just save everybody out of love? I mean, eternal punishment is a contradiction, so the only possible purpose for Hell is for God’s entertainment. Why is that desirable?
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:28amClick the link HOVA and read it for yourself.
Report Post »http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/god-the-father-no-man-can-explain-how-i-created-the-universe-or-humanity-no-matter-how-they-try-for-it-is-impossible/
PaxInVeritate
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 4:42pmOnce again I’m not able to respond (in a non-derogatory fashion with zero epithets) as I would like. Reread the message at the site that I linked to. Thank you Blaze Moderator, you’re a real peach.
Report Post »princessnutsack
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:27pmDr. Dobson interviewed a Shaman once who became a Christian. He neither had access to The Bible nor knew who Christ was. His story was really amazing and I keep trying to look for it on the FOTF website (It’s many many years old). The man testified that God kept putting it on his heart to seek him even though he hand no idea who God and Jesus were.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:34pmYep, never happened.
Report Post »Michelle44
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:39pmGOD works in MYSTERIOUS ways.. He is real, and his love is everlasting and true…
Report Post »eric6161
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:24pmThe road to hell is wide and lots of people are falling all over themselves to get there. I pray that your eyes will one day see and your ears one day will hear… Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:15pmSorry, Jesus needs to speak up if he wants me to hear him.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:10pmHOVA… you asked for Jesus to speak up, so here you go:
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Hova
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 3:03amYou’re not Jesus.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:21amNever claimed to be Jesus. You asked for Jesus to speak to you and I offer a modern day prophet who is receiving messages from God the Father, God the Son and from His Blessed Mother Mary. Here is the message from July 5th. Read it for it goes directly to your questions and those of THE_DOORS_OF_PERCEPTION. Click the link and read it for yourself.
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Hova
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 11:45amThat‘s the second time I’ve seen you post the same thing. It answers none of my questions. Thanks for wasting my time in lieu of actually responding to my questions with words from your own mouth. I guess Christians just can’t speak for themselves when it comes to matters of THEIR OWN F*CKING BELIEFS.
Report Post »Its Gonna Getcha
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:26pmScience in the medical field already has instruments for people who cannot use their arms to give a computer commands through their thoughts. And on Jesse Ventura’s show, he demonstrated how there’s an instrument that can shoot sounds only to you and no one else.
Combine the two, and it could be true. It could simple be technology so advanced, that one can only refer to it as mystical magic.
What if the holy books weren’t stories about people trying to see into the future, but rather, a re-telling of a story that already happened. The technology of time travel. They came from the past, saw what we did, then gave us a spiritual re-telling so we’d be in time to correct fatal consequences. Just a thought.
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Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:21pmThe scriptures do speak in the book of Joel of the latter rains and that there shall be the dreamers of dreams, seers of visions, and those who do prophetise (i.e. are messangers/preachers/teachers of God).
We may be seeing the great awakening expadning not just in our nation but to all nations of thw world as the end game is commensing in mass force.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:27pmI was just thinking of that verse. If it’s true, the context was the last days. Perhaps the Mayans were more right than they thought!
Report Post »Tree_Butcher
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:55amHowever, every generation believed it was the last one. There will be Signs of His Coming, and He shall come as a thief in the night.
I believe we are seeing some of the signs with these conversions. I joined and became active in my church after all of my faith in my fellow man had failed and been disproved. I had always believed in God, but it took a completely broken spirit for me to answer his knocking on my door.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:20pmIf you believe the Bible, then you can’t deny the fact that God does communicate through dreams. I personally know an Iranian man from our church who had such an experience.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:32pmWow. Do you mind providing a name for this mystery man?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:36pmSure, provide your name and address and I’ll have him send it to you genius.
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Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:43pmGonzo ! Kudos.
Report Post »Irishtech
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:49pmLooks like we have a muslim here that wants to enact sharia law on those that leave the “peaceful” cult of islam.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:24pmWhy? What are you trying to verify? I’m trying to verify your claims. What claims have I made in this conversation that need verification? That I exist? Well, I’m typing this right now. And, um…. Aw shoot, I guess I can’t prove that I exist without providing you all of my personal information! Welp, here ya go:
Hova McCasterbary III
123 Notreallytryingtofakeit Drive
Greensville, North Idaho 123456
So, now do you have evidence that I’m asking you for evidence?
Report Post »Baja
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:42pmSadly history shows the most effective outreach to radical jihadist Islam comes from a center fired cartridge.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:20pm2 down, a billion five to go………….
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:18pmPraying on, CHRISTIANS, for those who have grown lukewarm in the CHRISTIAN FAITH, for those outside our faith to be awakened, and for us, to search deeper, love more, be obedient to GOD ALMIGHTY MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH. LORD, thank YOU for touching each of us in YOUR OWN special way. Thank YOU for loving us through our unloveliness. Thank YOU for calling us back to YOU or to YOU for the very first time. YOU ARE A GRACIOUS, LOVING AND FORGIVING GOD. For this we give YOU thanks. In JESUS’ SWEET AND MIGHTY NAME, amen.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:35pmBecause CAPITALIZING random WORDS, and sometimes ENTIRE IRRELEVANT PHRASES, MAKES you sound LIKE a CONVINCING person.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:44pmHi there Kick………As soon as I read this story I remembered one more prophecy that we are seeing fullfilled from Revelation 7. The time is growing short.
Hova……….you are all over this story trying to undermind the workings and the Word of God. It won’t work. Most of us just feel sorry for you. I suggest you read the chapter and the verse I pointed out.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:55pm@Hova: It’s called emphasis dude. You need some refining.
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Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:31pmEmphasis? The point of emphasis is that it is used sparingly. You know, so it can be emphasized above everything else in the conversation. If every other word is emphasized, by definition, nothing is emphasized. Also, you emphasize in written language by italicizing, not capitalizing. Capitalizing is usually associated with volume, not emphasis. If you can’t italicize your words, then you shouldn’t emphasize anything at all, given that your words should speak for their own importance.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:27pmHOVA… prayed the Divine Mercy Chaplet for you at the 3pm hour for you Bub, and will continue to do so.
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Posted on July 6, 2012 at 3:10amReally, you prayed for me? Thanks! One question, though. I don’t have to do anything in return, right? I mean, you can keep praying for me all you want, but I’m not really required to do anything because of that, right? Right?
Cool. I have some more homosexual activities to partake in. Keep praying for me, k?
Report Post »Smug
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:53amHOVA I have read some of your posts. I noticed most are on matters of faith. I’m glad you’re drawn to these. Even though you appear to be a skeptic. I find those who argue against God are really just searching for answers. Keep searching.
KICKAG Thank you for your prayers. As to this story, I think some dreams can be profound, and sometimes it’s the best means God has of reaching us. At any rate, I just wanted you to know I appreciate your petitions on our behalf………MSSMUG
Report Post »momrules
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:18pmThe Lord is sealing His own. Read Revelation 7:2-3.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:46pmWe are all His MOMRULES… at least until the last breath of life, or until the Son of God comes at the trumpet blast and the end time prophet announces. We all have the opportunity to say yes. The time (in this generation) is short though. Prepare, for the Bridegroom approaches.
Report Post »jackact
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:17pmPossibly Jesus is sending out the clear message, “…there are no virgins for you up here. Do what you’ve been doing for centuries, continue to ‘bugger’ little boys down there”.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:16pmAWESOME! The power of the Holy Spirit is beyond words. Welcome to the bride of Christ!
Report Post »TROLLMONGER
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:15pmJust another pointless story about religions number one philosophy. Indoctrination.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:27pmI sure am grateful for my indoctrination.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:31pmAmen Gonzo! Me too. Brainwashed for Christ is better than enlightened for nothing.
Report Post »princessnutsack
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:34pmI guess we’ll see who is right one day trollmonger.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:34pmRelax. Maybe you‘ll be ’indoctrinated‘ if you ’wish’ hard enough.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:04pmAmen Gonz!
Report Post »Tree_Butcher
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:59amI rejected my indoctrination in the University, I became a Christian BECAUSE I questioned and found the answers I had been looking for. it took a long time, and many disappointments. I joined a church, and my old time friends that knew me well were stunned.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:15pmFirst Ishmael then Isaac. Even the stones shall cry out — Jesus is Lord!
Repent for the End of Days is at hand.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:21pmAmen.
Report Post »JohnLarson
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:13pmPeople dream about midget hobgoblins chasing them around a Chucky Cheese…
They mean nothing. Just like out-of-body experiences and near-death experiences, they are all chemical. DMT gets released in the brain in large amounts, which causes hallucinations.. a way to escape from the trauma.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:17pmblah, blah, blah…
Report Post »princessnutsack
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:23pmThats not true, God speaks through visions and dreams many times throughout The Bible. Daniel had to interpret a dream for Nebuchadnezzar. The Magi receive a dream to tell them not to go back to Herod because he is out to kill the Christ child. Joseph interprets four dreams for a cupbearer, a baker, and two for Pharaoh. These are just three examples, but there are many more in The Bible.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:26pmH@ John ave you ever heard of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? For your sake, you might want to investigate it…..
Report Post »Hova
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:29pmYeah, don’t actually respond to his points. Just behave like you won.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:29pmWell, when someone abandons Islam to worship Chuck E. Cheese, then you’ll have a point. Until then…..
Report Post »TalonsPoint
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:31pmIf they mean nothing you invested your time addressing nothing. Your time must be meaningless to you.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:42pmI once had a dream that a Princess…the Princess of the Nut Sack was going to use an uprovable book written centuries ago as reference for proof of god using visions and dreams to speak to us.
God? If you are listening can you stop messing with us and just talk to us like adults? I mean you created black holes and supernovas yet you only speak to us in dreams and some times in food products when you make them look like you or mary. I beg you, stop laughing and talk to us normally. I will hold my breath.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:02pmWarning to JohnLarson! You should heed the warning from kaydeebeau…
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is a COLOSSAL mistake. You may want to investigate further. Or, if you don’t, perhaps you can at least attempt to claim ignorance before the Lord.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:08pmWe have won, Hova. All you have to do is claim it. It’s not that difficult.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:11pm@THE_DOORS_OF_PERCEPTION
God is a little busy so I will answer you on His behalf.
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
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The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:17pmYes JohnLarson Beware!
The creator of the most sophistacted nuculear reactor known to man called our sun and billions of others alike not only cares how you use your genitals and what you eat on certain days but he also displays detestable human emotions such as jealousy. Do not blashpeme!
This is why we have to try and mock this thinking out of existence…otherswise we ignore the real wonders of the universe and get stuck having bronze age discussions about blashphemy and esoteric morality.
Report Post »eric6161
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:30pmAt what point do Christs’ chosen kick the dust from their sandals when dealing with those that fight on Satans side?
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Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:53pmSquidVet
No offense I know you are probably a great person but have you taken a look out into the cosmos lately? Things beyond our comprehnsion are happening at this very moment…we can explain them but we can’t neccesarrily comprehend them. I mean can you comprehend a star that is a billion times larger than our own sun?
Knowing all I know, which is just knowing how little I really do know, I think God can communicate with me way better than that. I also think it is odd, this creator of the universe, would choose to reveal himself with a book in a desert full of some of the most illiterate people of the age. I mean china was just a jump away and they were very literate and looking through telescopes at the time.
Maybe he couldn’t forsee the internet. Just think how many people would be going to heaven now with that little old invention. Or wait…maybe its just fake.
Report Post »INTHEBROTHERHOOD
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 2:18amdoors, try opening them…your perception is blocked….you have eyes but you dont see….you have ears but you dont hear…..why? because perception is nothing without wisdom and understanding. and both of those are directly proportionate to your bible knowledge. you speak of bronze age civility…huge stars….jealousy….things we cannot comprehend……..speaking of the creator, as if He was dennis the menace……Myself i do not negotiate with evil….hold thy peace and come out of him, in Jesus name…..and after defeating them He made a public spectacle of them and triumpheted in it over them.
Report Post »Pfw51
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:13pmThat’s not as unusual as you might think… those of us with the western worldview tend to easily dismiss such things, but they are happening all over the world. The fact is that there are a lot of people who have never heard the truth about Christ, but in their hearts they are seeking the truth about God. So they seek, often aligning themselves with a religion or even making up a religion of their own. But the scriptures promise that if a person seeks God with all their heart, that person WILL find Him. What you see in this article is a heart hungry for God, and God rewards that hunger by reaching out to them and revealing Himself to them.
Report Post »thegreeneyedcat
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:28pmThe truth is that being an atheist takes just as much faith as being a Christian if not more so. I have Christ’s life to support the reality of God. What proof does an atheist have that there is no God? if truth be told, there is no proof that God does not exist. What is the more logical belief?
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