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Is Jon Stewart ‘Consumed’ With Glenn Beck?

How will Glenn Beck know for sure that he’s made it? Mediate tells us that the best evidence “is that Jon Stewart seems rather consumed with Mr. Beck having talked about him during appearances on Oprah, The O’Reilly Factor and now, after last night, Late Night with David Letterman.”

Stewart’s apparent fascination was on full display last night, when he even pulled out his best Beck impersonation. But the appearance in general may have fallen flat according to Mediaite: “There is a whiff of Junior High ‘cool’ kids picking on the new kid (who’s suddenly the most popular) behind his back.”

That might not be that far off considering Letterman’s description of Beck: “He has no idea what he’s talking about, he just wants trouble.”

In then end, however, Stewart added that he likes Beck and would like to have him on his show:

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  • wilbur111
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:35am

    Why wouldn’t anybody with any sense want to to get IN with the group at FOX. FOX continues to become more and more relevant to our society as a whole, their ratings prove it. What I find fascinating is that the more somebody like John Stewart gets to know the guys at Fox he comes to appreciate them and respect them even if they have different views. The smart ones outside the FOX circle are beginning to see themselves attached to a relic and even though they are motivated by money and ratings see themselves testing the waters of winning camp.

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    • pennswoods
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 11:40am

      What???? Fox News is #1 in all of it’s TV talk shows every night and has been for years. The true “relics” are the network news shows and CNN, MSNBC, and PBS who can’t get it. We the people want BOTH sides of the news and are fed up with the liberal left wing domination of the media. We want fairness not bias. Is that too difficult for the Ivy League dictators of the liberal media to figure out?

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  • theninthplanet
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:35am

    If Glenn appeared on Jon Stewart’s show, I bet he’d get his highest ratings ever.

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  • Iamtheoracle
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:34am

    I like John, he is funny and isn’t afraid to laugh at himself. When O’ Reilly was on his show the other day – Stewart was just busting up. I think he actually has some conservative views and isn’t just a flat out hater… Letterman is a dork and hasn’t been funny in a long long time.

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  • LSX
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:30am

    That little blurb shows that Jon Stewart is a popular comedian who doesn’t take himself seriously and David Letterman is a worn out, has been comedian who takes himself far too seriously.

    Both only have an impact on the dope smoking, parasites of the world so – “whatever dude” :-)

    .

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  • KeelBillary
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:28am

    Jon who?? Oh yeah, he‘s that guy from ’Big Daddy’…..Who gives a crap what he thinks??

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  • dollfin
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:22am

    Don’t do it Glenn! Don’t go on his show. Jon Stewart is all about himself, and he would attempt to bring you into his light. Glenn is all about saving the American ideal. This is a game, and Stewart wants to pull Glenn into it. Although, Glenn would surpass him in any setting, it’s about appearances. And, it’s almost like sanctioning his show, if Glenn were to go on. I don‘t even respect O’Reilly for having done so.

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  • LordHowardHurts
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:21am

    I tire of these TV personalities, like BECK, saying that so and so is a danger to the Constitution of the United States, and then going on their show to “make jokes”. BECK also has stated that Obama was born in Hawaii, and anyone thinking otherwise is a “nut job”. Well, I personally don’t know where or when Obama was born, but I do know that he has the ability to provide a long form birth certificate from Hawaii, if he has one. This current case against Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin is a case in point. The court has said that Lakin is not entitled to “force” Obama to produce his long form birth certificate to conclusively prove that he was in fact born in Hawaii, and is in fact qualified to be President of the United States of America as per the Constitution.. I would think that in a case this sensitive and controversial, Obama would, of his own accord, provide not only the long form birth certificate, but all his school records that he has not provided, thus once and for all proving that he was born in Hawaii, and that he has never used an alias or received any student loans or other government aid in any name other than Barack H. Obama. I feel that this “showing” would once and for all stop all the conspiracy theories that abound. Actually, since BECK is so knowledgeable about where Obama was born, I propose that he spend and entire show, using his blackboard to enlighten all his listeners with the facts he has compiled to reach this conclusion. Come on BECK, show the “Birther” idiots all your information and prove conclusively that Obama was born in Hawaii.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:35am

      As one of the PAST leaders in the Birther movement, let me say 100% that if Obama would unseal these records and showed who he was, I would gladly admit my errors and no more talk ever. But… I won’t hold my breath

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    • pinokeeoh
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 12:15pm

      Wow a chance to respond to real British royalty! Why has Obama had to spend 2 million dollars employing a team of lawyers to keep his backgroud information from being made public. I would like to see this addressed in the government controlled media.I can dream can’t I?

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  • JD Carp
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:12am

    Have a quick look at the Neilsen ratings and see why JS is obsessed with Glenn. Then if you are really into it have a look at the ratings for Fox vs. Comedy, PMSNBC and CNN. The numbers there say it all.

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  • Strong Father Restored
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:11am

    Jon Stewart is very talented and funny and it is in his fallen nature that he will put Glen Beck down out of envy…Glen Beck is exposing the the lies of the Progressives and the lies we have told our selves for a long long time. Where Truth meets a Lie there is always a collision but Humility is the seat belt and the air bag that will save your life. Mr. Beck is a humble man…a man of great character.
    Jon Stewart admires Glen Beck…he just doesn’t know how to articulate it because his humility is false.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:37am

      A brillaint analysis and IMO right on tar get. Please post more often.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 6:36pm

      First of all, I have no idea where you get the idea that Beck is a “humble man.” The man has all kinds of shows and rallies dedicated to himself! Meanwhile, if you know anything about Stewart, you know that his specialty is self-deprecating humor. Of course, you probably think that this is just a symptom of his “false” humility, but that’s all biased nonsense.

      Actually, humility wasn’t in either the Truth car or the Lie car, it was at home not parading itself on television for everyone to see, bragging about itself.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 7:03pm

      Plubious; I get it directly from the HG. I realize that you will mock that idea.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on September 30, 2010 at 10:40am

      Far be it from me to mock anyone’s beliefs, and I certainly would not want to feed into your already quite developed persecution fantasy. I am, however, a bit concerned that the HG wants you to automatically discriminate against Jon Stewart because he is not a Mormon.

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:11am

    Jon Stewart Leibowitz has a lot to learn about what he is doing to America, leading those senseless self-absorbed democrat youngsters down obama’s path to their destruction. but actually Leibowitz doesn’t care, he’s a millionaire, and he’s set for life. he’ll cheer right along with that vile anti-American letterman when Israel gets nuked by Iran and obama stands by and applauds Iran.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:37am

      Source foer his Jewish name?

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 11:33am

      And why do you think it is important to call him Jon Leibowitz? His legal name is Jon Stewart (Leibowitz is his birth name, which he changed). Methinks you are a tad anti-semitic.

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    • tranquilrider
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 1:23pm

      Finally I am witnessing actual open mindede debate on this site!!!!
      Until this ant-semetic comment.
      Nice Job fool

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    • Huckabee Gingrich 12
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 8:48pm

      @CONTRARY

      Check out his Wiki page. He had it legally changed.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 30, 2010 at 7:43am

      Could one argue that the Anti-semetic position would actually be the one who is changing his name away from his Jewish heritage? Just sayin’.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on September 30, 2010 at 8:05am

      Sorry, but that it just stupid Rothbardian. Setting aside the fact that many, many Jewish entertainers have stage names, and it silly to think that they are all anti-semitic (you think Woody Allen is anti-semitic?). Secondly, if you have seen any of Jon Stewart’s humor, you would realize that he has no trouble being Jewish. I would recommend his pre-Daily Show standup special, “Jon Stewart: Unleavened.” Stewart changed his birth middle name Stuart to his surname because he has a difficult relationship with his father, whome he hasn’t had a relationship with since he was eleven. All this information is deviously hidden on his Wikipedia page.

      Plase think before you post, because this kind of garbage makes you folks look real bad.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on September 30, 2010 at 10:20am

      Wow. I apologize for all the typos in my last post! Clearly in my rush to discredit this crap being thrown around, I neglected to edit!

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  • SGTTAZ67
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:08am

    I think that Stewart is afrais and envious. After all isn’t the first reaction of a lot of people to joke about things that scare and upset them.

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  • Honest Abe
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:07am

    Why is it so hard for the left to realize that Beck is about the who and why things are happing. He is easy for Jon and Dave to make fun of, but what do they do to better our nation. Nothing but make us laugh, and sometimes the laughs are few and far between. Jon and Dave try harder to be funny and let Glenn help us restore the country. You two are court jesters for the Progressive dopes in Washington.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:33am

      I think Glenn can be VERY funny at times. Often, he uses homour to make fun of himself.

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  • Suzanne Winter
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:02am

    Why Glenn Beck Isn’t Crazy | RedOrbit
    Wednesday, 26 May 2010
    http://www.redorbit.com/news/entertainment/1870975/why_glenn_beck_isnt_crazy/index.html

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    • Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:05am

      I think you crashed their site. I couldn’t get in.

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    • Suzanne Winter
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:38am

      I just checked it. It worked A-OK. Give it another shot. Well worth reading.

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    • tranquilrider
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 2:05pm

      Why Glenn Beck is Crazy

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3J_QLtYqlk

      http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-13-2009/glenn-beck-s-operation

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxEcWFMU1s&feature=related

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX1rLv_hNeI

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA7-BvVDV10&feature=fvw

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1s4fj-5zlk

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G36MpBD5ef8

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfO6Tge7lx8

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    • tranquilrider
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 2:09pm

      I provided my own links to challenge yours but Blaze won’t post them!
      Can anyone here explain why?

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 8:17pm

      Tranquil, FYI, I watched every link you shared with us. I’m impressed with your diligence in doing this. I’m curious, how many hours did it take you to dig up all this information? How did you go about doing it? I took at least a half hour watching your links. Can you be as gracious?

      Glenn Beck has his faults. He does lose his cool at times. He does get emotional and cries at times. He does apologize when he is shown he is wrong and/or hypocritical. one of the videos sho2ed that although the commendators poohed that. Does it get sometimes wrong? Sure.

      I understand where you’re coming from. It hard to deal with light being shown on the deceptions that Progressives have used for many years. No one likes being exposed as to what is behind the curtains. I fully understand that you have a dwingling audience as they learn of your complete disrepect for Americans intelligence, that we are just Homer Simpsons. You’ve had your time in the limelight for many, many years…but its now rtime to leave the stage.

      I can’t wait to see what happens on 10/2. Will you be there?

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    • FYATroll
      Posted on September 30, 2010 at 2:05am

      K tranquil, I was giving you a shot. I watched the first three vids, and then stopped giving the benefit of the doubt. You give me a Glenn Beck joke real, and yes, Glenn is goofy. You then give me John Stewart mocking Glenn Beck being sick. Then, you give me media matters, which has been caught about 133 billion times blatantly editting things way, way out of context. I didn’t give the rest of your clips any more attention.

      Bring something real to the table. People making fun of Beck because of his sillyness and people putting together highlight reals of Beck being silly do nothing in terms of proving whether or not Beck is a liar. Using people who are caught on a regular basis taking people out of context, like media matters, doesn’t work either.

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    • FYATroll
      Posted on September 30, 2010 at 2:08am

      So I chose another one of your clips. Media matters again. Good god man. You realize the very next night Glenn spent twenty minutes apologizing for his comments about Obama’s daughter? So I picked 4 of your links, and not a single one showed Beck lying (unless you actually believe what media matters puts out).

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  • Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:01am

    Jon Stuart would be in the same class as Ed Schultz (unknown) if Bill O‘reilly didn’t elevate him by giving him exposure on THE FACTOR. The more conservatives give airtime to these clowns, the better known they will become. Fame gives them a platform to spew their garbage.

    So stop already with the references to the DAILY SHOW, and Maddow and Olbermann and their ilk.

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  • usmc62
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:59am

    JS is a closet conservative & Letterman’s just a “has been” liberial.

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  • Huckabee Gingrich 12
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:57am

    Screw Jon stewart. I’m listening to Beck right now and he seems to be downplaying the Woodward interview where he discusses terrorism. It sounds like Beck is trying to tickle our ears. Beck, The Overton Window basically said what I’ve been saying for well over a year: Obama’s policies are political suicide, and he has to know it. Therefore, I predict that politics as we now know it will soon be over because of a “man-caused-disaster”. There may not be an election in 2012. Obama may be our defacto puppet dictator.

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  • v.o.t.e.
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:56am

    always remember—stewart is an entertainer—period– his opinions are jokes

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  • wingedwolf
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:55am

    I think it’s a man crush. Let’s face it, lefties hand in packs and repeat the lefty drivel. No one gets out of lock-step, for fear of being ostracized. They can’t stand alone like conservatives can.

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  • moriarty70
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:54am

    To be fair, every time he’s talked about Glenn on someone elses show, it’s been the host who brought him up.

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  • Marine4ever
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:53am

    If these guys would spend half the time researching topics that Glenn has covered as they do making a joke about Glenn, they would realize that what Glenn talks about is NOT fictional. The progressives have painted such a smiley face on their agenda that people don’t even see what is really happening. It is up to us to check the facts on what Glenn is talking about and educate, educate, educate.

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  • M633
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:52am

    Jon Stewart is alot better to us than most, especially considering the time he spends with the super-arrogant people such as Oprah.

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  • SnapTie
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:46am

    It about all they can do is talk about somebody telling the truth. Attack that’s the only message available to them

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  • Marylou7
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:46am

    Only a Marxist would not like Beck. I like Jon.

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    • Stevsea
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:05am

      I like Jon too. I think he’s a stand up guy. I don‘t agree with him on many things but he has the guts to go on O’Reilly and speak his piece unlike so many others that run their mouths but are scared to openly debate anything. They just talk behind their backs in front of audiences that blindly follow them. If Jon Stewart wants to go on Beck’s show, I think Beck should invite him. Open debate is a healthy thing and what makes America great to be able to agree to disagree. Could you imagine Bill Maher or Ed Shultz saying what Jon says or being a guest on any FOX News program? Never happen. A coward is a coward no matter what skin it wears. My hat’s off to Jon Stewart

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:28am

      Maybe, under the satire, Jon is starting to see the light. Maybe this would be a good time for Glenn to open a dialog and find some common ground with Stewart. Maybe, just maybe, Jon Stewart would like to move a little more right but doesn’t want to seem weak. If that were the case (wishful thinking, but not holding my breath), he could become an asset and not a liability to young people and those who rely on him for his opinion. It could be funny to turn the tables on the left.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:30am

      Stev: I agree that Beck should have Jon on. Both of them know how to do humorous satire. I think it could be one of Glenn’s best shows and bring many progrwessives to actually watch the show.

      How about a “pertition” asking Glenn to have Jon on?

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    • MozarkDawg
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 1:36pm

      Apparently you guys have missed Glenn‘s announcement some weeks back that he’s no longer going to have *guests* on his TV show.

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  • PubliusPencilman
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:45am

    Another headline: Glenn Beck’s Website “The Blaze” Obsessed with Jon Stewart

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    • freebornson
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:58am

      John Stewart is hilarious. He is not a real source of news. His satire is very funny; but his show is empty of serious content. He would even admit that. The problem is that he is trying to use his satire to be relevant and serious in his criticism of Beck and others. Too late to be serious now John. It is just a shame that the same army of mindless twenty-something twits who watch these reality tv shows get their “news” from your show.

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    • moriarty70
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:13am

      @freebornson
      I was with you for a few lines there, but they you missed the mark. The whole point of satire is to inform and affect change through humour. Under Stewart, The Daily Show has been going after the media as much as politicians. Since court jesters focus on the most powerful and best known, it only makes sense that Beck has taken over as the primary target, just as O’Reilly was before Beck came on the scene.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:27am

      Publious, Glenn and we show the actual words of the Progreswsives. We don’t twist them. IF you claim we do, then show exactly where and how. OK?

      I find Stuart very funny at times but IMO in a strnge love affair with Glenn Beck. He doesn’t know what to do. I understand his motives in doing this. Just look at his plans for 10/30 and it says it all. I actually have hopes for Jon but never for the hyprocrite Letterman.

      Curious are you planning to be there?

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    • freebornson
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:35am

      @Moriarty
      I understand the point of satire, and I actually like Stewart’s show. My irritation is with the army of mindless mockers who use his satire to laugh off people like Beck and make no attempt to educate themselves. They are created by the whacked out professors at our universities who are more concerned with having an original viewpoint (no matter how irresponsible and untrue) then teaching their students facts and the ability to discern truth from error. Easy feel good satire has become a substitute for educated factual debate. Ridicule the people you disagree with and avoid the hard work involved in educating yourself on the facts. Easy and probably more fun. Truth is the casualty.

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    • tjdavid21444
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:53am

      Really Publius? How many headlines about Jon Stewart do you see? I count 1 right now. But maybe my math is a little off. The fact is that these clowns, Stewart, Letterman, Colbert, have found something they think their audiences will find funny. Problem is, they start to sound a little whiny when they constantly use one guy as their source of “comedy.” I know, the leftist would just love it if everyone who disagreed with them would just take their advice and shut up, but sorry, that’s not going to happen. Of course Jon Stewart would love to have Beck on his show. As someone has already commented, it would boost Stewart‘s ratings higher than they’ve ever been. And Beck being the charitable guy that he is, might just take him up on the offer. I’d watch. I‘m sure many of Beck’s fans would too. But it truly amazes me how vicious the self-proclaimed auditors of tolerance can be when dealing with people who do not agree with them.

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    • moriarty70
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 11:06am

      @freebornson
      Your first comment read like you were going after only Stewart. That’s the only reason I got so defensive about it. I’ve always been a strong supporter of humour as a changing force. Humour allows people to broach topics they otherwise would be too uncomfortable to talk about.

      I’ll be the first one to say that Restoring Sanity is formed as a send up of Restoring Honour, However, the soul of his message has been something he’s been passionate about for years. The core of Stewart’s rally is against the extreme rhetoric on either side of debates and the desire to have rational discussions without shouting and name calling. If you want to see how passionate he is about this, just look to his Crossfire appearance. It wasn’t funny, but someone needed to say it.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 11:22am

      TJDavid,
      Really, I have no idea what you are talking about. Who is telling you to shut up and not disagree with anyone? If you so dislike “whining,” perhaps you should look in the mirror! But anyway, if you knew anything about me and about the ideas I have posted repeatedly, you would know that I am all for an open and informed debate, so I am not sure what you are responding to.

      Contrarian,
      Beck has been caught numerous times taking things out of context or being downright manipulative when it comes to editing the “real words” of the progressives he so hates. I would be happy to provide examples, but feel free to research this yourself. (By the way, Beck also has no problem promoting pseudo-historians who are famous for being entirely unreliable and inaccurate in their “research.” Specifically I’m thinking of that fraud David Barton).

       
    • N37BU6
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 12:46pm

      You’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel, PubliusPencilman…

      List for me 10 things Glenn Beck has exposed that Jon Stewart has debunked.

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    • tranquilrider
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 1:33pm

      Here are some examples of Glenn at his best.
      Debunked theories and violent unproven rhetoric.
      Enjoy.

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    • tranquilrider
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 1:49pm

      Why were my web links removed???????
      Can I not site specific examples on this site?
      Several posters here asked for proof of Becks debunked theories and rhetoric and I provided proof.
      The Blaze has now proven to be a vehicle for right wing rhetoric. Nice job

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    • americanfirst
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 3:14pm

      So much so that when the left realized that John Stewart really wanted to go toe to toe w/ the “Restoring Honor” rally there was NO ONE left to call but one Barack Hussein Obama who is currently of damage control trying to follow up rock bands because he cannot make it on his own!!!
      That‘s just how much Beck is ’pre-occupied” with whatshisname.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 8:38pm

      Publius: I read every link that your fellow Progressive supplied above. None talked about taking things out of context??? Some valid points were made. i SUGGEST YOU READ MY RESPONSE TO YOUR PROGRESSIVE COLLEGUE.

      You ask me to spend time doing what you claim you’ve already done?? I KNOW the left hates David Barton and for good reason since he has well studied the dark dealings of Progressives. Many other scholars have appeared on Glenn’s shows. Just tonight, he had the President of a NY based University on his show who is a recognized scholar. Now progressives may argue with his conclusions but NOT his facts. That is what scholarship is all about. Having spent 30 years as a Business Professor, I believe I have some knowledge of what true scholarship is.

      You see I believe you’re just reading off a talking list unless you show me differently. Now IF you fail to respond to my requests, I will ask the Editors to drop you from psoting.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 8:42pm

      Tranquil.. forsoth, do I see a conspiracist amongst us? Might it be that you failed to post it? I have been known to do that. Hit the send key before I’m finished.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:25pm

      Contrarian,
      Your going to ask the editors to stop me from posting if I don’t answer your concerns right away? Ha! This is ironic, given the number of times folks on these boards have accused me of trying to silence them. I would NEVER stoop so low!

      But anyway. Don’t give me the canned “the left hates David Barton” stuff. I think he’s a fraud because his work is shoddy and his interpretations are a joke. Take, for one, his whole bizarre “one-way wall” theory regarding Jefferson’s famous letter–can you imagine a reading that would be more counter-intuitive? Anyway, his work has been so often criticized that he was compelled to release an article, appropriately titles “Unconfirmed Quotations,“ regarding a number of quotations he has used in his ”research” without verifying them. The article can be found here:
      http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=126

      My favorite move in this article is his insistence that de Tocqueville’s “Democracy in America” should be “should be required reading for all involved in the Church/state debates.” He quotes a few passages, including this one:

      “Upon my arrival in the United States, the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more did I perceive the great political consequences resulting from this state of things, to which I was unaccustomed. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom pursuing courses diametrically opposed to each other; but in America I found that they were intimately united, and that they reigned in common over the same country.”

      Barton cuts this quote off here, which is very convenient. Here si the rest of the paragraph:

      “My desire to discover the causes of this phenomenon increased from day to day. In order to satisfy it I questioned the members of all the different sects; I sought especially the society of the clergy, who are the depositaries of the different creeds and are especially interested in their duration. As a member of the Roman Catholic Church, I was more particularly brought into contact with several of its priests, with whom I became intimately acquainted. To each of these men I expressed my astonishment and explained my doubts. I found that they differed upon matters of detail alone, and that they all attributed the peaceful dominion of religion in their country mainly to the separation of church and state. I do not hesitate to affirm that during my stay in America I did not meet a single individual, of the clergy or the laity, who was not of the same opinion on this point.”

      While this is a pretty decent translation (http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/1_ch17.htm), I know for a fact the original French not only says “separation fo church and state,” it says THE COMPLETE (la complete) seperation of church and state.

      So, you tell me. Is this shoddy scholarship?

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on September 30, 2010 at 11:30am

      By the way N37, I don‘t want you to think that I’m ignoring your response to my post. First of all, my point has nothing to do with whether or not it is Jon Stewart that has exposed Beck’s casual relationship with the truth, so I hope you’ll excuse me in declaring that part of your challenge irrelevant. Secondly, I think the format of the “top ten” list in no way reflects the intellectual rigor appropriate to proving my claim–it would be only one more example of the kind of “sound bite” pseudo-journalism that I am accusing Beck of manipulating. Please let me know if this seems unjust to you.

      That said, the only way to do this would be to take things on a case-by-case basis, so until Contrarian concede’s my point–that Glenn Beck endorses a historian (David Barton) whose work is shoddy and occasionally downright phony (as demonstrated in his attempt to show de Tocqueville as observing/advocating anything but a “complete” separation of Church and State in America)–I am afraid we are stuck.

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  • smendi
    Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:43am

    Of course JS wants Beck….increase his ratings.

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    • GREENGOHOSTING.COM
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 9:50am

      I agree with that! Waaaaait, increase his ratings, you couldn’t do that if you had the president on his show… WAAAAAAIT, that was a bad comparison.

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    • One Voice Of Many
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:29am

      Notice how JS has to make an example of something I’ve personally never seen on the Glenn Beck Program? I’ve been watching every day for the past year now so maybe that reference came before? But I doubt it… but the thing that gets me is that if these people REALLY watched the show (not just had their writers watch it to get little bits to rag on the guy for) then they would see that he is NOT crazy and DOES know what he’s talking about. The crying is a little stupid I’ll give them that. But lately I’ve noticed Beck has toned down on the water works… at least on his show. I wish he never was mister emotional on national TV because if he never did the crying crap.. they’d have NOTHING on him.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:39am

      One voice, many times the Holy Ghost overwhelms a person.. when that happens, crying often occurs and cannot and should NOT be stopped.

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:39am

      The WHOLE Progressive side is consumed with GB.. he not only beats them in the ratings he gets people to watch by OMG telling the TRUTH, using FACTS.. and the big one pushes FAITH, HOPE and CHARITY.. Now how can they compete with that??

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    • REVEL
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 10:48am

      Can I be the only one who hasn’t watched this clowns show? I have faith that I am not the only one. I don’t believe in supporting enemies of the cause in any way!

       
    • MamaRN
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 11:40am

      @ Fred I don’t know about the “Morman” religion, but The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, also known as Mormon, are most definitely followers of Jesus Christ. If you don’t know enough about my religion to even spell the nickname, then you aren’t qualified to make judgments on the doctrine or beliefs. http://www.lds.org is a great place to increase your knowledge. God bless.

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    • N37BU6
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 12:31pm

      You know what would REALLY increase his ratings? A live debate with Glenn:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HKTqJkTPow

      Sign the petition! Call his bluff! Make his fans squirm… they know Glenn would crush him.

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    • fish419
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 12:59pm

      Marman you mock Fred Hussein for spelling Mormon wrong, yet you turn around and redefine who Jesus Christ is! Believe what you want but don’t act like the Mormons have not tried to redefine Jesus.

       
    • El Paco
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 1:06pm

      @Fred Hussein: Mormons believe in Jesus Christ, therefore Christians.

      http://www.mormon.org. Get your facts straight son. You didn’t even spell it right.

      And now on topic. I’d say the “Glenn Bashing Wagon” is a great move for Stewart. He’s a comedian, and has infinite cannon fodder for his jokes. Milk that cash cow like the capitalist you are johnny boy!!

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    • underdawg
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 4:06pm

      Fred H, while I agree that Mormons aren’t Christian, as a Christian, I don’t presume to know who the Holy Spirit chooses to inspire. I believe that’s in much bigger hands than yours or mine.

      Marman, just to let you know that I’m not speaking from a point of ignorance(although I still have much to cure in myself) I have read the Book of Momon and most of the Doctrines and Covenants. I believe that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, not Jerusalem. I also think that the Levites and not the descendants of Joseph were the only Israelites allowed to be priest until Jesus of the tribe of Judah came. Unlike the Holy Land, there is no physical evidence of a culture as described in the Book of Mormon. DNA testing has also shown that American Indians are genetically linked to Asians who live near the Bering Strait.

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    • amerbur
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 4:49pm

      Revel, why are you making a comment if you have never watched Beck? I am astonished that you would publically admit that you make decisions from a base of complete ignorace. Again, I am astonished.

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    • I am 'We the People
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 6:47pm

      Who is Jon Stewart?

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 7:06pm

      Anti-Mormon bigotry is NOT allowed here or any other religious bigotry. I’ve reported this post to the editors asking this individaul be removed.

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    • UpyerKilt
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 8:24pm

      Dear Friends of all religions first, one would not go to a Baptists to ask about Catholics nor would you ask a Liberal about the Tea party. . . then why do you listen to someone other than a Mormon about what they believe? What makes you believe that your definition is correct on what a Christian is? You Protestants, your very name means to protest! If the Catholics are correct then you are apostates whom they have cut off long ago. So instead of pointing fingers of self righteousness proclaiming what is clean and what is unclean, look to yourself first. I have been teaching religion for over twenty five years and I am amazed at the amount of ignorance people exhibit towards one another. Stop with what divides and lets celebrate what unites. Yes Glenn is a Mormon, what does that have to do with being able to receive truth and light from God? Are you saying the Eternal Father of us all is incapable of blessing whom ever he desires? I thank God that he is the right man at the right place with the right tools to proclaim the moral and ethical equivalent of “One if by land, two if by sea” My hope is that it is not to late. Now let us put aside our religious difference and remember that we are Americans! “WE THE PEOPLE”.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 8:24pm

      Unerdawg: I will NOT get into a debate with you. I will say that there were3 three peices of misinformation or partial information that you posted. I have asked the Editors to issue you a warning.

      Idf you wish to discuss what is inaccurate about your post, contact me at captainmoroni2009@live.com My Name is Doug Schell and I live in King, NC

       
    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 8:29pm

      UPYET: Thank you for your post of tolerance for differences. This is what brings the unity that will allow God to truly bless us with many miracles. Intolerance doesn’t come from Jesus but the adversary.

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 8:38pm

      Jon Stewart is smart, and I believe if Glenn were to go on the show tha Jon would be respectful, attempt to engage in a serious dialog, and in the end would likely change his public opinion of Glenn.

      Having said that, Glenn should not go on the Daily Show.

      It would send the message that Jon’s previous behavior was OK, and it wasn’t (IMHO)…

      I point to the good-natured, seemingly mutually-respectful relationship Jon S & Bill O have on-air. Glenn could do that, but why?

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    • Joseph8
      Posted on September 29, 2010 at 11:28pm

      dont you just love it when as a conservative, liberals tell you what you believe in? like when they say you are obviously a racist and homophobe and islamaphobe. it has to be true if they believe you are right? i also enjoy it when people tell me im not a Christian. same arguments, same old garbage. man, where would we be without people telling us what we believe?

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    • AnnMarie
      Posted on September 30, 2010 at 8:27am

      These guys are such flunkies and their ratings are beginning to show it. With making fun of Beck, they forget to mention that what he speaks is from fact not made up from the Daily Democrat Show or the David Democrat Letterman.

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    • jeffreylayne
      Posted on September 30, 2010 at 10:30am

      I can’t believe the threats to report one another for expressing negative opinions about Mormonism. Extremely childish. Grow up.

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    • benicepeople
      Posted on October 1, 2010 at 4:55pm

      Beck is using all of you. He is an actor. He is twisting history to suit his politics and make money off scared, faith motivated people. Notice the lack of diversity in his following. He is targeting Christians.

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