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Is Mandatory Participation in Vaccine Trials ‘Not as Outlandish as it Might Seem’?

Clinical Researchers Advocate Mandated Choice Participation in Vaccine Trails

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Two clinical research fellows at the University of Oxford Jenner Institute have suggested in the American Medical Journal of Ethics that requiring people to participate in vaccination trials may not be “as outlandish as it might seem”.

Citing declining numbers of healthy volunteers for vaccine trials, Susanne Sheehy and Joel Meyer coauthor an article in the journal in which they note several examples where countries have instituted mandates requiring citizen participation “for the good of society.”

Sheehy and Meyer write that in the current system, “meager compensation” for volunteers participating in vaccine trials can “belittle and undervalue the contribution of these individuals” and the volunteer demographic is often composed of those in need of money — students and those without jobs are mentioned by the authors. The authors state that this means the risks associated with some vaccines, which could eventually benefit the whole of society, are “carried disproportionately by some of society’s most poor and vulnerable.” The authors also note that increasing payment for trial participation could be seen as unethical.

So, as a solution if recruitment numbers remain low due to low financial incentive, fear of potential vaccine risks and lack of animal models similar to humans, Sheehy and Meyer suggest “compulsory involvement” as an alternative. The authors point to instances where some countries have required action from citizens where the “risks or inconvenience to an individual are usually limited and minor.” Examples they include are jury duty, required military service and some European countries requiring citizens to specifically request their organs not be donated upon death, as opposed to choosing organ donorship. Here’s what the authors say comparing trail participation with military conscription:

In both conscription and obligatory trial participation, individuals have little or no choice regarding involvement and face inherent risks over which they have no control, all for the greater good of society.

Noting several principles against mandating participation in vaccine trials, including self-autonomy, the authors then settle on something they call “a policy of mandated choice”. With such a policy, citizens would be required to opt in or out of participating in vaccine trials in advance. The authors state:

The advantage of this system is that it could identify a large cohort of willing volunteers from which participants could be recruited rapidly without jeopardizing individual autonomy. It would encourage an open, noncoercive philosophy for tackling societal challenges without compromising individual freedom or public trust in the health care system.

As a bit of a sidenote, the authors call to mind how society views vaccines. Sheehy and Meyer believe that society’s view of vaccinations are hampered by “sensationalist and unfounded stories” like that tying the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine with autism, while citizens should view vaccines as taking “once-feared illness out of the public eye.

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  • vtxphantom
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:29pm

    Mandate it for death row inmates and the obama clan

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 10:01pm

      There is no Nazi Eugenicist program. Go back to sleep, kiddies.

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    • candcantiques
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 10:08pm

      The Declaration of independence tells us all that among our inalienable rights is the right to LIFE. These vaccine trials are just that TRIALS. They have no idea if the vaccines work, dont work or have serious side effects. Therefore because the doctors themselves dont know exactly what the vaccines might do to us I consider them a threat to my life and I will defend my life reguardless of the consequences.

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    • 2GodBeTheGlory
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 10:25pm

      If death occurs then the researches that pushed for compulsory should also die – as they know that the potential exists. Anyone who is involved with the decisions for the mandate of compulsory participation of trial or any drug should also lay their life on the line.

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    • db321
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:01pm

      I don’t want anything that Obama is mandating – PERIOD! He can fool the ones on food stamp, Welfare, Unions and illegals – he will not fool me. God will let me know if I need a vaccine.

      Obama’s own staff has spoken of eliminating 25 million Americans in order for his agenda to work. I’m not his Ginny pig – I a voter against him

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    • DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:08pm

      My daughter had a vaccine that was quietly pulled from the shelves. It was supposed to be three shots. The second made her very ill. These are not outlandish stories and that was the last “vaccine” anyone in our family will get. I would view any attempt to pierce the skin of me or my family as assault. I will exercise my 2nd amemdment RIGHT that can never be taken away via regulation or “laws”. The constitution supersedes all laws. I do not recognize laws that violate the constitution. Don’t tread on me. Liberty or death… literally. You’ve been warned.

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    • isobamamadd
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 3:41pm

      The sorry rectum of a Calif Governor Mr. Moonbeam Brown has mandated shots of Guardacil without parental consent . http://www.naturalnews.com/033831_Jerry_Brown_Gardasil.html

      All the vaccines mandated to children and many other vaccines as well, including the seasonal flu vaccines being mandated to health care workers, are contaminated with polysorbate 80, the central ingredient in a pharmaceutical industry patent to damage fertility. The pharmaceutical industry has a long history of of seeking a vaccine that would covertly sterilize whole populations So, in addition to being contaminated with cancer and other viruses, and with the bacteria mycoplasma, vaccines are intentionally “contaminated” with a chemical as well, which is, given the patent, a “patently” sought-after sterilizing agent
      Gardasil itself is contaminated with a man-made version of the HPV DNA, the very virus it was supposed to protect against, which now it threatens not only altering kids’ healthy DNA with synthetic DNA (!) but with a diseased version.

      you can read the rest here also some stats on autism rates and life span compared to other country’s http://www.salem-news.com/articles/november292011/vaccines-contaminated-se.php

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  • Deda1
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:25pm

    Why don’t we start with DemoNazis, such as the Chicago Crook Obama and the Delaware Dummy BIden.

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    • ICRedifURBlue
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 5:40pm

      Stick me without my permission and get a shot of lead……..needle or a knife, all the same I‘ll kill ya’ in self defense……..simple.

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  • GeoInSD
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:22pm

    This is an example of Glenn Beck’s warning of the danger of government and science getting too cozy.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 10:02pm

      You better get over to http://www.prisonplanet.tv and see the real truth about what they’re doing to you.

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    • jm
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:00pm

      Actually, this happened in the first gulf war. Soldiers were submitted to vaccines (involuntarily, of course). Despite official denials, this was the cause of great suffering — the so called Gulf War syndrome. You say that once in the military, you have given up your rights. That is not clear. You sign up to protect the country and the constitution, not to be a subject in some immoral medical experiment. The doctors and generals who perpetrated that action should be in prison.

      The people who want to force us to take part in such experiments for the good of society, even requiring that we opt out, are simply evil. “The good of society” sounds a bit like Rick Santorum, not Dr. Paul. This is why Glenn is on the wrong horse. Paul would never sacrifice our freedom for the good of society, but I think Santorum would in a heart beat. Is this the “responsibility” Beck has begun to talk about? Are we responsible to participate in this kind of stuff for the good of society? Jefferson would say no, Beck might say yes?

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 12:54pm

      Just google Human Medical Experiments in the US if you really want to be concerned. This is not a new issue.

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    • isobamamadd
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 3:47pm

      agree V-man mace . and get the word out

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  • marine43
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:15pm

    If they insist i will have to also insist that they be involved in MY study in the result of high velocity lead, entering ones body…

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    • READRIGHTHERE
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:27pm

      That would be a fascinating study, with benefits that could potentially change the world, for the better! Where do I sign the petition?

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    • Darlie
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:40pm

      So, if you are active duty, how do you opt out?

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  • ConservDadASD
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:11pm

    “Sheehy and Meyer believe that society’s view of vaccinations are hampered by “sensationalist and unfounded stories” like that tying the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine with autism, while citizens should view vaccines as taking “once-feared illness out of the public eye”

    Once again, I am compelled to state that those concerns about vaccines such as the MMR or DaPT or the Hep B are indeed valid, and that those 14 or 16 “studies” that are often cited to support that there are no connections betw these shots and autism (or other neurological or health conditions), are flawed or full of conflicts of interest or paid for. You need to do your research and not just talk to the very biased mainstream medical community pediatricians either.

    Search out alternative sources of info such as ageofautism.com, fourteenstudies.org, generationrescue.org, autism.com, or thinktwice.org. Names to check out are Dr. Stephanie Cave, or Dr. Sherry Tenpenny or Dr Mercola. Even mainstream peds such as Dr. Bob Sears advise caution. He even wrote a book on vaccines.

    Keep in mind, only a couple of vaccine ingredients have been studied (& not necessarily well either), and only for short term reactions. Also, although there have been no court cases won for those mentioning the word “autism”, money has been awarded for those who still in the end, had autistic kids that became that way because of their shots. Yet some have died, such as Elias Tembennis… look it up.

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    • Darlie
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 11:44pm

      The reason no court cases have been won is that the doctors with the verifiable evidence end up threatened with retaliation Mafia-style. An attorney I know prosecutes these cases. He had a young female physician from a well-known children’s hospital lined up to give her data. He ended up pulling her off the trial lists because he feared for her life. In his words, he wasn‘t prepared to be responsible for a young woman’s death.

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    • ConservDadASD
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 10:30am

      Darly… that is an angle i have not heard… particularly at websites such as ageofautism.com where the vaccine omnibus cases were discussed. I might suggest you post the same there as you wrote here.

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  • GrumpyCat
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:11pm

    This is an example of what happens when someone gets over-educated. They start thinking they are empowered to think for others’ own good, whether they like it or not.

    See also: Obama, Barack H.

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  • Doctor Nordo
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:02pm

    They would have to inject the vaccine into my cold, dead body. I’m not necessarily a vaccine-eugenics conspiracy theorist, but I do know that I would never trust someone who insists on using people as unwilling lab rats for the “good of society”. Strikes me as something straight out of Brave New World.

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    • READRIGHTHERE
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:30pm

      They all smoked weed when they read that book, and now believe the same concepts popping up in their own heads are new developments brought about by their dizzying intellect.

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    • pamela kay
      Posted on January 19, 2012 at 12:45am

      DOCTOR NORDO, I guess the progressives want us to share our wealth and our health, what’s next. This scares the heck out of me because I believe that it could come into law the way we are headed these days. REGARDLESS of who the GOP nomination is VOTE republican.

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  • SevenTrumpets42
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:01pm

    This is a great opportunity for our prison members to voluntarily give back to society and earn some self-respect.

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  • Mateytwo Barreett
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:57pm

    And if it doesn’t work? Oh, well- you have any idea how hard it is to round up a few hundred cattle cars. And besides, the railroads are having trouble keeping up with allthat pesky oil coming from Mondak and Canada!

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  • chips1
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:45pm

    Now!!! Just hold on for a second!!!! You mean to tell us that a person convicted of multiple murders can’t be given an injection because of cruel and unusual punishment, yet they can force you to get an injection of an unknown substance and it’s not your choice? I volunteer the politicians. If they don’t die in 20 years, then I’ll decide if I want it. Fair enough?

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  • Mtremblay
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:44pm

    I have been forced to take numerous vaccines in the military. Even was handed a flyer that stated 43% women have issues and I still had too. I wasnt even going into an area that mattered. I have had nothing but problems since, memory loss, vision and weird skin issues on the back of my feet. I dont feel strong anymore. Maybe it was the one in particular or maybe it was the 7 different ones I got at once!

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    • Mtremblay
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:52pm

      Oh I should add I am more than convinced most military are forced to take vaccines even when unnecessary like athrax (it doesnt protect against the exposure we would get in a war zone)due to gov contracts!

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  • Small World
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:43pm

    What a good idea. We should only let the very wealthy do this so if things don’t go well they will have the financial means to get the best medical experts.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:35pm

    .
    They just need to use the Prision Population, put them to some good use……

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    • Airb0rne4325
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:42pm

      That’s not a bad idea. Decrease an inmate’s time by x against the potency of the med being trialed.

      Blackjack!!

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:59pm

      You think? The inmates are protected bu the ACLU, remember?

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  • momrules
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:34pm

    That’ll be the day. Like hell I will ever take a vaccine I don’t want unless hog tied AND with a gun to my head.
    Where do people like this come from that they think the public will ever willingly go along with things like this?

    Oh, I did forget about the NWO and the Marxist POS”s that run this country.

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:01pm

      What type of knot, what man/ cal of gun?

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    • boundforglory
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:38pm

      They can give me the vaccine after i’m dead to see if it brings me back to life!! In other words, it will be a cold day in h*ll before I let them use me as a ginea pig!

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  • Dougral Supports Israel
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:34pm

    I would not cooperate with such a mandate nor would I convict someone for violating such a law if I were a juror.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:05pm

      I would take it a step further and test the effectiveness of lead on anyone who tried to enforce compliance.

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:08pm

      Juror? You really think we need a stinkin’ juror? They’ll help us with that. No more juries- judicial panels. Full time, USDA choice civil servants. No need for juries, let the bureaucrats decide! Conveience, cosistency, and justice all in one efficient stop. You won’t need lawyers, it’ll be great!

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  • BetterDays
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:27pm

    @EncinoSardine
    why did you vote, the only vote might I add, for madated participation?I hope if they do it, that you try to get me to comply, in person, please !

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  • JQCitizen
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:24pm

    Sheehy and Meyer:

    YOU FIRST!!!

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  • BonnieBlueFlag
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:23pm

    If this were to be implemented, you could imagine me as the character Michael Douglas plays in Falling Down combined with Travis Bickle and Lee Harvey Oswald. Something like this would totally put me over the edge into “F it!” mode.

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:13pm

      It’s in the healthcare bill! The “law of the land”, OOOOOOHH criminal offence!!!!

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  • girlnurse
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:22pm

    Live free or die!

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:35pm

      Its getting closer and closer to this

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  • ForMyKidsVA
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:21pm

    So, it’s unethical to increase the amount of money offered to volunteers but A-OK to force someone to have something injected into them!? I’d like to know what other “ethical” decisions these researchers have made for us.

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    • From Virginia
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:01pm

      Seriously! Will storm troopers be sent out to “collect” the test subjects? Which part of a police state will people actually rebel against?

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:17pm

      @Virginia
      No, the constagulary will suffice. Resistance will result in the introduction to the udicial system of the future, mentioned above.

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  • KangarooJack
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:20pm

    At first glance, you just see some Scientists drumming up ways to widen their choices of test subjects. They throw in the mandatory talk to piss us off. Then they throw in the “choice” option to placate us.
    “Oh Gee, if I have a choice? I’ll chose A or B”

    What you don’t really see…is “Identify a large cohort…..” Yep, let’s find ways to narrow that list. I’m sure these Scientists are just that-Scientists, but their funding Managers are not.

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  • Jenny Lind
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:17pm

    What happens to Roe-Wade, where I own my body? Either I do, and you can’t do anything unwanted, or I don’t, in which case as a female, you can make me have a baby I do not want to carry. You can’t have it both ways, bozos. ( I could never destroy my own baby, just for the record)

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  • Grey Eagle
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:16pm

    I am a medical professional and I will say that some new vaccines can cause extreme illness or death. The ones I am referring to are those to protect against biological weapons or chemical weapons. I am not referring to vaccines used to prevent contagious diseases such as Hepatitis B vaccine. People need to be fully informed before participating in any vaccine trials and understand all the risks involved.

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    • Airb0rne4325
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:40pm

      Worked as a tech at a research clinic and some of these people that are in the clinical trials use these trials as another source of income. Not very lucrative but something extra. Some of the trials are very benign. Hepatic metabolite medication clearance vs placebo. Medication that is almost ready for mass distribution but need more N for statics purposes. Nothing more than that. But…

      Then there are those that are 0.9mcg/kg IVPush of E.Coli vs placebo vs Med vs placebo (Double blind with 4 variables) that check the efficacy of a new antiseptic med. The new med is awesome, lifesaver at it’s basic. Did not observe nor hear of any negative outcomes in that study.

      I only mention it to point out the fact of what will they propose when they have a captive audience.

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:22pm

      Fully informed?!?!?!? By who, pray tell? Lullaby and good nite, sleep well, my little tool.

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  • KangarooJack
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:14pm

    and the ‘window’ didn’t shift-it just opened a little to see which way the wind is blowing.

    When will it directly impact you? So many just let our Freedoms slip away ‘For the Greater Good’.

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:14pm

    Obama has opened the flood gates to Socialism.

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