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Is Minneapolis Now in the Sharia Loan Business?

Minneapolis now in the Sharia Loan Business?Alert the ACLU! The worst of the worst has happened! The unthinkable has taken place! The state is becoming involved with religion!

According to a recent article by conservative author Debbie Schlussel, the city of Minneapolis is now in the Sharia loan business to accommodate Muslims who want to take out loans but don’t want to pay interest.

“So much for the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution that prohibits government from establishing any religion or doing anything to favor any religion,” Schlussel writes, presumably with her eyes rolled all the way back.

Here is the article she cites [emphasis added]:

In 2005, Afrik Grocery and Halal Meat on Cedar Avenue needed to expand. Owner Abdi Adem, who operates his business under Sharia law, needed to find a loan that funded the expansion and complied with his religious beliefs.

Finding the loan was easier than he expected.

Since December 2006, the city of Minneapolis, in partnership with the African Development Center, has given out 54 loans in a way that is compliant with Islamic law by using a fixed rate in place of a variable interest rate, which some considered sinful.

Instead of charging interest, the city and the ADC estimate how long it will take the business to pay off the loan and totals what the interest would be. That amount is added as a lump sum to the total cost of the loan.

“It feels like, looks like and acts like a loan, but it’s just a different way of looking at it,” said Hussein Samatar, executive director of the ADC.

Abdulwahid Qalinle, an adjunct associate professor of Islamic law at the University of Minnesota, said interest rates can be considered sinful under Sharia law.

“Islam has specific guidelines where people can acquire wealth and how to spend their wealth,” Qalinle said.

Through the Alternative Financing Program, small lenders — usually the ADC — will offer a loan and the city will match it up to $50,000. Business owners will then pay back the lender and the city. . . .

Through the loan, Adem borrowed $42,000 and was able to move his business down the street, expand his halal meat section and purchase new equipment, which he said helped attract new customers.

Adem paid off his loan in 2009.

“I benefited very much from the loan. The customers liked the new store and we liked it,” said Adem. . . .

“I don’t want to go to the bank and get charged for interest,” he said. “If I need more funds, I can use [the program] again, not now, but if I need it I can go and get it.”

Schlussel notes that the practice of acquiring interest-free loans was started by people of the Jewish faith

“But we Jews modernized and the sages and rabbis did away, centuries ago, with the prohibition against Jews taking out loans from others that involve paying interest,” Schlussel explains.

“For those of us who need to borrow money interest-free, there are private Jewish organizations who lend money interest-free. But Jews have never insisted that the U.S. government (or even American banks) engage in Jewish practices. We know this is a Christian country with a secular government, and we want it to stay that way,” she writes.

But, in Schlussel’s opinion, what’s the biggest takeaway?

“As we all know, Muslims want America to become a Muslim country with the Koran as the Constitution, as HAMAS CAIR leaders have openly and repeatedly said,” she writes, “With Minneapolis’ actions, looks like they are well on their way.”

So, the ACLU should be ready to blow a gasket at any moment, right?

Right?

Comments (243)

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  • GFWSR
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:46pm

    Liberals in the city and State government have ruined a once beautiful place. I was born and raised in Minneapolis, and left in 1969. I couldn’t get out of town, and away from the liberal thinking fast enough!

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  • TalonTed
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:40pm

    I don’t get it. If the city and the ADC are estimating how long it will take the business to pay off the loan and totals what the interest would be and addes that amount as a lump sum to the total cost of the loan, how is this acceptable under Sharia Law. It’s the same thing!!! Why can’t a bank or credit union do the same thing? Why is the City of Minneapolis providing this service?

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  • SgtB
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:35pm

    So Sharia law doesn’t allow for interest, but it does allow you to charge a percentage over the cost of the loan amount? Am I the only one who sees the idiocy of this system? The loaners just charge the interest up front and then they borrower pays it back. If anything, this is worse than paying regular interest without an early pay off penalty.

    Also, if the gov’t is providing services to religious minorities, it should be stopped. I wouldn‘t go so far as to say it is the gov’t establishing an approved religion, but it is theft of taxpayer dollars and arrogance. Because it falls into the category of felonious behavior, it should be stopped immediately. BTW, I’ve never met a good or nice person from Minnesota. I’m sure they exist, but the Marine I worked with from there was an overweight 20 year old drunkard who was NJP’d on multiple occasions and even implied the threat of setting my dog on fire. If any of you ever meet a Marine named Jaime Krominga, you have been forewarned. He is an arrogant and disrespectful person and should never have been allowed to serve or even vote for that matter. I sure hope that the people of Minnesota were not well represented by him.

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  • cassandra
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:34pm

    for every sharia loan made by the government or a bank or a business a percent of it goes to the muslim brotherhood look up sharia compliant business’ AIG is one of them

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:44pm

      And how is it that all Shariah compliant loans contribute to the Muslim Brotherhood? Please, explain.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:05pm

      most likely it is that brotherhood associated people are the one’s who stand in judgment as to whether a program is compliant and whether the charities it contributes to are compliant, islam is all intertwined, if you give in on one aspect you are essentially giving in on all of it.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:12pm

      So you are guessing–excellent. I suppose no harm done; you’re just smearing millions of Americans.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:31pm

      twit, as explained to you, every instance of the host society giving in to islamic demands is just as bad as any other, they all form a part of the whole, one can only guess about how the inner dealings work, it takes millions of dollars of investigations by highly skilled federal agents to sort through all of the intermingling of funds and associations with terror organizations. because a basic aspect of islam is that everything works together toward the furtherance of the goal of jihad, nothing about islam can be taken at face value, and ultimately it cannot be allowed in the west where the entire premises of our civilization are undermined by islam. even the concept of “lying” – something that even truly vile and evil atheists admit is something that is part of our society, they know that lying is wrong, in a court case people are told they can’t lie, the whole foundation of our legal system and society is based on the “notion” that “lying” is wrong, but in Islam lying is authorized, there is nothing wrong with it, if the muslim furthers the jihad by the lie. So how in the world can that coexist with our society? Answer, it can’t. Based upon your comments you for instance have clearly fallen for the lies told to you by Muslims about Islam. Look how much effort it is taking to try to straighten you out here on this forum. It is hopeless though because you believe a lie.

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    • booger71
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:34pm

      Christians should flock to the city and demand interest free loans, and then sue when turned down.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:40pm

      AB5R,
      So Muslims will undermine the U.S. because they don’t tell the truth? That’s funny–many similar accusations have been made about minority groups in the past. But this time the bigots must be right, eh?

      Feel free to look up similar accusations against Catholics and Jews (in both cases “supported” by church doctrine and scripture).

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    • AB5r
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:10pm

      No, they will undermine our civilization because their religion allows lying, meaning they can lie with a clear conscience, and also because fools like you will believe their lies.

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    • FightThePower
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:34pm

      PUBLIUSPENCILMAN

      Please don‘t confuse real American’s to these people. I live in the Twin Cities and the Muslim community in this area have no intention of experiencing or participating in the American culture. They are more than happy to take the welfare and that is about it. My wife is Somali (yes, I am white) and you would be shocked to hear some of the things I’ve heard. They wanted to start a only muslim girl scout troop, they openly trash everybody that is not muslim (the term is Gul, pretty much the same as the N word). They talk trash about America as a whole (but they chose to come here) at all times, but for some reason they love the current President. It is my opinion they should be given a loyalty test and if they don’t pass, sent directly back to the hell hole they call a once beautiful home where every body in the southern part is living in fear and starving.

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    • cuinsong
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 2:26am

      @PABLIU
      Lets see? How is it that Shariah will undermine our system of jurisprudence?

      Maybe because we hold life as precious and the truth as essential to the judgment as to guilt or innocence, instead of religious B,S, like it is ok to lie, god forgives you and will punish someone else for the crime because he is a just god! Right?

      Or off with your head if you choose not to become a Muslim or maybe its the chop off your offending appendage that gets us all churned op?

      Let me see now, I know! It’s your religious involvement along with the Jihad S–T that ****** us off!
      What do you think?
      Did I get it clear for you yet? “The Devils Song” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10789987

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    • decendentof56
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 7:18am

      Remember, people, that Minnesota did elect Keith Ellison.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 9:49am

      Troll alert (albeit a bit late)
      Just ignore publiuspencilman.
      He is a troll and just wants you to react.
      Simply ignore him and his posts each time you see them.

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    • Jim S
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 10:39am

      so they paid interest on the loan by wrapping it into the balance…so they were given a loan that charged interest…and the story is ?….now why the govt.is lending to ANYBODY is a better question…

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:17am

      Thanks a bunch TomFerrari! Clearly the founders envisioned a free America in which any dissenting voice that threatened a particular group’s ideological bubble would be considered a “troll” and completely ignored. Why in a free society society built on public debate should people have to hear opinions they disagree with!

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:29am

      “They wanted to start a only muslim girl scout troop, they openly trash everybody that is not muslim (the term is Gul, pretty much the same as the N word). They talk trash about America as a whole (but they chose to come here) at all times”

      Keep in mind you are saying this while posting on an online conservative message board with a strongly anti-Muslim bias. So please, explain to me how the bigoted nonsense that goes on here is fundamentally different from Muslims complaining about non-Muslims? Given the extremely ignorance nastiness going on from the “good Christians” that patronize The Blaze, it would seem quite obvious why minority Muslims would complain.

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    • morningbird1
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 12:18pm

      @ Publiuspencilman

      Though I do not agree with most of your positions, I want to thank you for bringing them to the discussion table. You are right this is America, and the beauty of this nation is that you and I can completely disagree with one another and do so in a respectful manner without consequence.

      One piece of insight I would like to point out is the general trend that I feel many Americans are frustrated with. That trend being the special treatment of certain ethnic or religious groups. To attempt to argue that Christian ideas of ethics or values (i.e. creation vs evolution) is being equally taught in our public education institutions is just flat incorrect. There has been a clear war waged against the Christian institutions of this nation for quite some time. I live in Minneapolis MN and have seen the Islamic Charter schools (publically funded) be allowed to pray with their prayer rugs openly and freely with no interference from any entity yet Kids in other publicly funded schools of “other” faiths are not only not allowed to pray, they could be potentially suspended for such demonstrations.

      Back to the specifics of the article…I think in general, the American people would be more understanding, (don’t confuse that with absolute acceptence) but more willing to share dialogue regarding certain breaks or special exception of some aspects of governence, if the people coming to this country (Somalia, Ethiopia, Central and South America, etc) would do what

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    • morningbird1
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 12:32pm

      sorry continued…..Americans would be more tolerant if these immigrants would do what every other immigrant has done up until the last 15 or 20 years. Assimilate!!! They are expected to immerse themselves into our culture, the American culture…understand our history, speak our language which is English, commit no crimes against others, contribute to society by working and paying taxes…Why should our banking institutions provide lending options built around a particular ethnic groups faith, in this case, Islam? Does that encourage assimilation to our American culture or does that only encourage them to adhere only to their laws regarding their faith.. we are free to practice whatever religion we want in this country but we are not to legislate or procur law that benefits any particular religious over another….dangerous ground…The Muslim faith is, and admittedly so by Muslims, a faith that has zero tolerance towards other who are not of the Islamic cloth….There is no comprimise…Look at the last words of Muhammad and his feelings of other people of other faiths i.e Jews and Christians. Very telling to the backdrop of how muslims see other faiths and ways of life..just a thought

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 1:26pm

      MorningBird,

      I certainly never claimed that “Christian ideas of ethics or values” were taught in public schools, nor should they be. That clearly would be giving one particular religious practice priority. Christianity is discussed in the context of history, just as every other religion is in public school. BTW–in a science class, they teach science. Creationism is not science; it’s theology. It has no place in a science class, and therefore you can’t claim that schools are waging a war against Christianity by not teaching it.

      You seem to equate assimilating to American culture to giving up certain religious practices, yet the right to a free exercise of religion is one of the defining characteristics of American culture and government. Would you necessarily want a Jehovah’s Witness to say the pledge of allegiance in order to get them to “assimilate”? Should American Jews stop following Kosher laws in order to be more American?

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 1:52pm

      You are correct. Most people wouldn’t look it up themselves. This isn‘t ’new’ either. Minn. has been doing this for some time now.

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    • morningbird1
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 4:42pm

      Publiuspencilman….You seem, and I emphasis “seem” to be really good at slightly twisting someones words in order to make a point or rebutle. Bottom line, what I am trying to convey and perhaps not clear enough is this, I don’t expect individuals to give up religious freedom. I don’t believe that you have to give up religious freedom to “assimilate” into American culture. Lets not blur the lines to make a point. You state,
      ” Would you necessarily want a Jehovah’s Witness to say the pledge of allegiance in order to get them to “assimilate”? Should American Jews stop following Kosher laws in order to be more American?”
      My answer is this, your example has nothing to do with what I am talking about….I don’t expect Jews to give up Kosher laws to be American….TO BE AMERICAN IS TO RESPECT AND HONOR ALL INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS TO PRACTICE ANY RELIGION OR FAITH ONE CHOOSES….That is not what is going on in this country…This article was showing that some entities are picking and choosing what rules/regulations/laws apply to different religious groups. In this Case catering to Muslims who only want loans based on Sharia Law….To Claim that there is no war being waged against the Christian Faith is absurd…..How many Atheist organizations are and have stopped those of this particular faith from public declarations of faith? Do you see Christian Organizations running around shutting down other Faiths?????

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    • morningbird1
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 4:55pm

      Can’t you see what is happening in this country?..It used to be that we had a melting pot of ideas and Faiths. That used to be ok with people. Well now, certain factions within this nation have said, you know what?we don’t like what other people believe in (faith, capitalism, freedom) so in order to have our voices heard we must stomp out their voices…Atheists are in all out warfare with Christian organizations. Why is that? When was the last time you witnessed Christians suing Atheists because a banner was being displayed their beliefs?
      BTW….Creation is not theology…….I won’t get into this debate with you but if creation is theology than so is evolution…..The one thing I love about evolutionist that not even Mr Dawkins can answer is this…..If we came from some primordial oooze; If we, in our earliest forms were just a bunch of molecules that evolved over millions of years…where did the first molecule come from??????? It all started with something right? Where did it come from….We see creation all around us yet when it comes to the argument of the Beginning all of a sudden we can’t call it what it is….Creation…..

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 5:17pm

      “This article was showing that some entities are picking and choosing what rules/regulations/laws apply to different religious groups.”

      Ahh.. you see, here is the problem. There is no picking or choosing happening here at all. By offering a differently structured loan that would comply with Sharia practices, the government is in no way suggesting that only certain rules/regulations/laws apply to this group. These loans are not in violation of any laws or rules, so what is the issue?

      “Do you see Christian Organizations running around shutting down other Faiths?????”

      You‘re missing the obvious point that you’re on an overwhelmingly Christian Conservative website that is expressing clear outrage that Sharia compliant loans are being offered. This same website consistently opposes the building of mosques or seemingly any kind of Muslim practices in America, so yes, I do see “Christian Organizations running around shutting down other Faiths?????”

      But aside from this obvious point, this whole stance of majority victimhood is quite silly. The reason atheists seemingly target Christian violations of the separation of church and state is because it’s Christians who are actually doing this stuff. Are you really suggesting that the fair thing to do is for atheists to target minority religions that have far far far less influence on American political life than Christianity does? That just doesn’t make sense for anyone.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 5:36pm

      Morningbird,

      A molecule is not a unit of life–it’s a chemical compound held together by shared electrons and the attractive properties of electric charge. Maybe you should have paid more attention in science class.

      Creationism is fundamentally unscientific. The way science works is that when confronted with the unknown, a scientist will always choose the explanation that requires the fewest and smallest assumptions. Every current law and theory you will ever learn in science class is based on this simple rational premise. Evolution has withstood this test consistently since it was first proposed, which is why is remains the dominant (by far) theory in biology. You see, that’s what makes it science, and therefore it is taught in (say it with me now) SCIENCE CLASS.

      Now, given that we know that the basis for all living cells–DNA–is made up of a combination of four not particularly unusual proteins, in what universe is it less of an assumption, and therefore more scientific, to say that some unknown and unobservable intelligent force created the first living cells, than it is to say that life was first created under very specific conditions that likely involved these essential proteins and the introduction of electrical current (likely from something like lightning)?

      And BTW, scientists have already come very close to creating life in a laboratory, so many of these assumptions are becoming less so by the day.

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    • morningbird1
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 6:31pm

      Why are you taking such an arrogant tone with me? “say it with me now, Science Class” Really?
      In all fairness, throughout this dialogue I have learned a couple of things. One, you and I will never agree on some fundamental principles and that is ok. You are free to think what you think as well as I. I will let this debate rest. Science is only a lens my friend…those who subscribe to science as the answer or eventual answer for everything, eventually make it their religion….Just for your info, I was a biology major in my undergrad studies at a well respected Liberal Arts College. I can observe the scientific process and still conclude that I am a CREATED human being from a Creator. In fact I would argue that science, in many ways, points to the fact there is a Creator. Why must the flesh be so arrogant, rebellious and prideful? I don’t need your seemingly arrogant and condescending attitude towards me, attempting to explain DNA and RNA. I do have something that stands alone from the current views of Science. Faith. I acknowledge, there is a Creator and to do so has nothing to do with science.In fact I would argue that To believe in something that I can not see nor touch yet stirs in my spirit is more than science ever could . Ahaa, I said Spirit…Science can not explain that…So either Science is limited language because it is purely man‘s fallible way of explaining the universe around us or I’m just a nut job because I believe in the silly notion of GOD….

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 7:14pm

      Morningbird,

      I have no problem whatsoever about your faith–it just has no place in a public school science class. You seem to agree, at least to the extent that you are clearly distinguishing faith from science, so I’m not really sure where your insistence that creationism be taught in science class is coming from.

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    • morningbird1
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 8:05pm

      @ Publiuspencilman…..Yes, I am distinguishing them as two ideas, very different from one another, but for the sake of “Academia” I always thought that bringing forth many different view points and positions to the table to be weighed and measured was a good thing? That at the heart of our education system, we could present many different areas of thought. Creation vs. Evolution is just that, two different areas of explanation to our universal existence. Evolution nor creation can be concretely proven, both are theories as to our existence…but wait just a second…..Today, creation is laughed at and now, not even on the table for discussion. What happened to the Academic process that took in account many different perspectives?…especially when millions of people, including some of the worlds most respected scientist believe in Creation or better said, intelligent design?
      There could really only be one conclusion that would explain why Intelligent design is no longer an option for academic discourse..and that would be because “science” says it silly and the “real” answer to why we are all here is evolution….case closed…Science has PROVEN that creation is not a valid explanation, in fact its just religious rhetoric….and if we just label it “theology” then we can sweep it under the rug of “separation of Church and State” and we don’t have to acknowledge or even present it as an option. This has been my over encompassing point….we are taking things off t

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    • morningbird1
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 8:23pm

      …We are taking elements of this society off of the playing field completely because certain factions of this world have made resolute, decisive, decisions that some areas of thought or belief are non-sense and therefore should just be eradicated from the table…this is very dangerous ground especially when it falls into areas of the personal, physical nature..You and I are talking ideas, but eventually every idea, if given the opportunity to breathe, can take “life” and begin to do very destructive things when that idea becomes perceived “truth”
      I.E. Hitler started with ideas and rhetoric that began as mere opinions. They were allowed to breath with other opinions, harmless though they seemed. However, soon as these, Hitler conveyed ideas came to life, they started to refute and spew venom at other opinions and positions. In fact, as his ideas grew and blossomed they began to silence others and made an enviroment where there was only room for his perspective…no tolerance, anything outside of his position was non-truth..As we know this all led to the physical manifestation of genocide of millions of Jews….It started with an idea, that became idolatrous with no room for other ideas….This is an extreme example but I would strongly argue the same principles are at work within the topic we are discussing….there is no truth within us..not in science, art, philosophy, government…let all ideas be on the table..that is the true fabric of this nation….

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    • Oldbutnotsenile
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 12:35am

      I am so sick and tired of every group, mainly Athiests & Muslims being treated as if they were the only people on this earth. Christian rights are being taken away daily. I am sick and tired and hearing they are offended (like 1 person or one neighborhood) with Christian teachings and yet they want no Christian prayer or teaching anywhere near a school and then we let Muslims have their rugs and pray and Atheists walk around saying how offended they are. Well I am personally offended, so it is time everyone who is offended to stand up and do something about it instead of just talking about on on a conservative blog.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:47am

      Morningbird,

      I was with you until the Hitler thing–why in heck would you need to bring Hitler into this conversation? That’s just silliness.

      In terms of alternate viewpoints, children do in fact learn creation stories from various religions in history class and they are most likely able to take a course in religions (these courses are pretty common). Creationism, however, is not presented as a scientific theory. As I said, it’s simply not science. So… to present it as a scientific theory in a science class makes absolutely no sense at all.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 8:25am

      Hold on. Just for the record, science class is science class. Let it be. There’s Sunday School now, and if you don’t like the Sunday School classes that are offered by your local churches, you can always teach your child yourself, or start a small study group with other Christian families that also don’t care for the Sunday School classes. Leave Christ out of the public scewl, because they will just warp Him even more than they already have.

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    • ColorMeRedd
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 11:26am

      Publiuspencilman,
      You need to understand that Shariah Law and the U.S. Constitution cannot coexist. In fact, Shariah Law and any other point of view cannot coexist. This does not mean that every Muslim believes in Shariah Law, but the Muslims who do are very dangerous to any free society, including our once shinning city on a hill.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 3:14pm

      @OLDBUTNOTSENILE

      I agree with you totally. Unfortunately, I don’t think many will do anything that requires the energy to move their arses from in front of their computer monitor. It’s easy to complain about anything on a blog. It takes a bit of guts and character and energy to go actually stand up, attend meetings and make your voice heard, motivate your neighbors, family and friends to do the same, and then actually get something done. This is the very reason our beloved Democratic Republic becomes more and more alien to us each and every day. Everyone wants to criticize, but few want to fight the fight.

      How sad and pathetic the vast majority of lazy Americans have become.

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    • morningbird1
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 11:16pm

      @ Publiuspencilman

      Perhaps my example was a bit extreme and I should have left my point just previous to that as the focus…Though, I would argue that we are not done learning from that era of Humanity (Hitler, WWII)
      That aside, I’ve exhausted my position on this topic…but I would have to respectfully disagree that the theory of Creationism or Intelligent design is not Science…They are many real and grant funded scientist out there as we speak advancing the study of science through the scope of intelligent design…I get the point that it is very easy to automatically assume that if an individual brings up “intelligent design” into the academic discourse that its automatically religious is nature…this is not true..but I get the temptation to make it so.
      Though it is quite popular for many individuals to argue “separation of Church and State” when it comes to prayer in school (though Muslim charter schools, publicly funded I might add, have no problems with exercising their faith through prayer) I am curious to know what your position is on our current administrations decision to force the Catholic Church to provide contraceptives among others things to employees…translation..The Federal Government mandating that a religious organization Must, by law, provide a particular service to its employees? Where is the Separation of Church and State in this situation? Just curious to your position on this situation.

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  • PubliusPencilman
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:28pm

    Wow. The folks at the Blaze really really do not understand what the establishment clause is. This is no more “establishing” a religion than is the tax-exempt status on a place of worship or conscientious objector status given to Quakers or other religious people. U.S. courts already take into account binding arbitration rulings from Jewish religious courts. These are technical ways in which the law accommodates a variety of religious practices–they don’t further or promote a specific practice or mode of worship. Can the Blaze really not tell the difference?

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    • AB5r
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:09pm

      silly and absurd comment, surely you have seen the way liberals literally freak out, with blood coming out of their eyes, totally freaking out, when ANY aspect of Christianity is associated in ANY way with ANY public institution. They won’t even let the Christian basis of Western Civilization be taught in schools or the Christian basis of America. But those same people have no problem with islam being taught in schools or being forced on businesses for special break times, etc. If liberals had not forced Christianity out of the public square in America, our citizens would have a better understanding of the world and they would not be allowing Islam in America where it will ultimately destroy so-called freedom of religion since Islam does not allow freedom of religion.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:17pm

      AB5R,

      Actually, they definitely teach Christianity as part of European and American history. They always have, so you really don’t have a leg to stand on there. As I said–the government has always made concessions and accommodations to religious groups. I provide examples, and you respond with vague ranting. If you want to have a conversation, that’s fine–otherwise, feel free to step aside and let the adults talk.

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    • JackColquitt
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:24pm

      ABR15: You need to fire the captain of your brain ship. There’s an obvious difference between proselytising in a public space (the 10 Commandments posted in a courtroom/classroom is, like it or not, on the same level as hanging the pillars of Islam in the same) and offering a loan structure that is acceptable to a specific religious standard. These “sharia loans” are not any cheaper than a typical fixed-rate loan, they’re just structured differently. There is no preference being shown. Business owners who happen to be Christians pay the same for their loan as business owners who happen to be Muslims, it’s just structured differently. This isn’t a big deal. C’mon Blaze — I get that you’re trying to emphasize the fact that the secular left gets away with more than the religious right, but this simply isn‘t a good ’case in point.’

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:12pm

      wow we have lots of sharia law supporters in here .
      Take your sharia filth elsewhere .

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    • old white guy
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 7:29am

      publiu. islam is like national socialism. religion that is also a political way of like does not deserve protection. the evil that is islam is undeniable. taqiyya is a normal practice and if you don’t know what that is then look it up. when you have to pay the jizya or convert or die maybe just maybe you will wake up but i doubt it.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 9:49am

      Troll alert (albeit a bit late)
      Just ignore publiuspencilman.
      He is a troll and just wants you to react.
      Simply ignore him and his posts every time you see them.

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    • Flagwaver
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:00am

      To which religious group is Tax Exemption designed for? None, they all share it equally. Strike 1!

      Conscientious objector status was given during the draft, but during the volunteer military it has only been given to Muslims who are opposed to the possibility of killing Muslims. Strike 2!

      The arbitration rulings are contractual obligations that both participants agree to follow. It is used to keep the courts free of fiddly bits that simply eat resources. As for why it is binding is because of contract law, not because of the religious nature of the court. Strike 3! You’re out!

      This loan specifically targets Muslims and gives concessions for the Muslim Sharia. I’d love to see the answer if non-Muslims attempt to apply for this loan.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:21am

      Flagwaver–I fail to see how these objections in any way disqualify my points about accommodating religion. In fact, in one example you disqualify my example because it is shared by all religions, and in another you disqualify it because it is aimed at on particular religion. Hmmm… So you essentially are proving my point about how the government has repeatedly worked to concessions to religious observance. Thanks!

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:23am

      Also Flagwaver, you can feel free to read the original article from the Minnesota Daily before posting–then you might actually know what you are talking about:

      “Shaw added that although the loans are targeted toward Muslims, any business owner can apply for a similar loan with an interest rate that has a similar effect as the Sharia law loans. The city also offers a handful of other business assistance programs.”

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 12:05pm

      @ TOMFERRARI

      You’re right .
      & I hope it’s a red FERRARI :)

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    • Deltiphi
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 9:09am

      Does a rose by any other name smell different? Sharia compliant loans are just another lie. The interest is just being folded into the initial loan balance but the interest payment is still there and therefore the principle of Sharia law is being violated. It is all a lie and those who make such pretense are liares.

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  • FstEti
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:22pm

    Look up “Minnesota Department of Human Services”. Interesting to note that benefits can be applied for in Arabic. I wonder how many Arabian Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Agnostics, etc, are in that group? Just a random question. Also, I wonder how much, as a group, the Muslims, in particular those from Somalia, are costing U.S. taxpayers? Oh never mind, I’m just another evil racist for asking.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:43pm

      So let’s see… what’s the alternative to outreach…

      I suppose Minnesota can easily ignore its Muslim population. They can certainly stop helping those that came here to work advance themselves in their professions and become more self-sufficient. That just seems like a waste of money, right?

      So, based on history, we can assume that an alienated and impoverished minority will just decide to go back to whatever country they came from right? Hmm…. has that ever actually happened before? What is far more likely is that the younger people in that population will be even more susceptible to radicalizing rhetoric.

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    • MetalPatriot
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:47pm

      @Publius

      Propagandist Troll. You have nothing more than your opinions, yet, you attack people for their opinion based posts. You are the type that enjoy the angered responses just for the sake of feeling a false sense of superiority.

      “Useful Idiot” applies more to you than most folks. Your attempt to educate here is based on false premises and deceptive rhetoric.

      I shall not respond further to you because it would be exactly what pleases you.

      Be gone.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:29pm

      Wow. You really got me MetalPatriot. Thank you for your fascinating insights!

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    • SageInWaiting
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 12:14pm

      Minneapolis is a Democratic cesspool. I’m not surprised.

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  • momprayn
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:12pm

    I really don’t know what the answer would be since the Muslims have been infiltrating, gaining strongholds in everything for a very long time — they are thoroughly entrenched & speedily making progress to get their Sharia compiant laws slowly but surely. They are not just a “religion” and if people were on their toes and had the courage, patriotism to do the right thing, they would’ve been banned from coming here in the first place.
    With all our freedoms, this was very fertile ground for them to flourish – fooling all of us ignorant Americans since most all of us didn’t understand about Islam & too many believed their lies about being “peaceful”. And the foolish liberals help them, thinking they are doing some noble, good thing, plus having our own Presidents and politicians always saying they are mostly a “peaceful” people, blah, blah, blah. No – they aren’t. They only appear to be that way as they dig in deeper and deeper – then unite in jihad when it is called and they have the numbers needed. The ones that don‘t agree with the violence stuff can’t leave – or they will be killed, etc.
    Great book by an ex-Muslim terrorist who is trying to warn everyone anyway & will enlighten:

    “Gods War on Terror” by Walid Shoebat

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:48pm

      We can do the pragmatic, sensible thing to protect our Constitution and our Bill of Rights from Islamic Jihad:

      1) Outlaw Islam
      2) Close the mosques
      3) Deport the muslims

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:51pm

      Mike,

      So then will the Jews be next?

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    • AB5r
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:14pm

      pubs, islam itself does that to Jews, Muhammad himself massacred entire tribes of jews in Arabia, the place where there are no more jews, he accomplished what hitler failed to do! The koran contains more anti-semitic hate speech than Mein Kampf! So do you see how vile and evil your comment was of trying to compare keeping Muslims and Islam out of America, to save our freedom, with keeping Jews out who have a religion that does not, like Islam does, have the goal of eliminating man-made laws and the freedoms western civilization enjoys due to our faith in the God of the Bible from whom we say we get our rights. All of the lands now controlled by Islam are “occupied territory” – they were Jewish and Christian long before Islam invaded and took over, and now look at how few non-muslims remain there. Same thing will happen in America eventually if islam is allowed to spread here.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:45pm

      “…So then will the Jews be next?….”

      Don’t be infantile. We’re talking about Jihad. Jews and Christians do not engage in Jihad. No one, save the muslims, engages in Jihad.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:57pm

      @AB5R

      You are right. The last 1,400 years years has been nothing but one long, bloody retreat of Western Civilization in the face of relentless Jihad. And we are not alone, all non-muslims have suffered greatly under Jihad.

      @PUBLIUSPENCILMAN

      You are either an apologist of Islam, an adherent, or woefully ignorant of Islamic Jihad. Were there a chance to reform Islam, we could expect four Great Reforms. Sadly, because Islam is intransigent, you either submit to it, convert to it, or bleed out on the altar of Allah. But you never reform it.

      Here is what Islam can do to reform.
      1) Stop presenting Allah as God
      2) Renounce and cease all forms of jihad
      3) Abandon Sharia
      4) Stop killing apostates

      We will see no such reform. We either stand up to Jihad or we will fall upon its sword.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:19pm

      Hmmm… somehow all of the hysterical wailing here is not as convincing as you folks seem to think it is… interesting.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:34pm

      Oh the horrors of living in a free country!

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    • mikem1969
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 8:59am

      @AB5R, Jewish people don‘t go around killig people just because they don’t follow the satanic islam, jewish people don’t go around trying to force others to believe like them, they also beat and murder their women because they speak, learn, or show a little leg or face. Hmm care to try that argument again. Islam and all who follow it are enemies of freedom and the US, Jewish people are not, and no I am not a Jewish person, I just speak the truth.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:24am

      And neither do the vast majority of the 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world… so… what’s your point exactly?

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:08pm

    Minnesota is like kalifonia only colder.
    They two deserve what they get.
    Remember this is the land of Ventura!

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:48pm

      Yes, and I’m sure they will regret “what they get,” which in this case apparently means several Muslim immigrants who are able to grow their businesses. The horror!

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    • JBaer
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:52pm

      The Democratic strongholds in MN are the Mpls/St. Paul metro and up on the Iron Range (Union enclave)
      Most of the rest of the state tends to be conservative or at least moderate. Hopefully 2012 will see the more moderates voting Republican rather than Democrat. One can only hope.

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  • dadsrootbeer
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:46pm

    Makes total sense from a state that elected a pro wrestler governer and a hack comedian to congress (after stealing the election). It’s very cold there, maybe their brains are frozen.

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  • dadsrootbeer
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:44pm

    “Since December 2006, the city of Minneapolis, in partnership with the African Development Center, has given out 54 loans in a way that is compliant with Islamic law by using a fixed rate in place of a variable interest rate, which some considered sinful.”

    So not only blacks not want to fully assimilate and be part of the american culture they want to help other groups do the same probably on the taxpayers dime as with the African Development Center.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:50pm

      So, when Jews follow Kosher laws and use religious arbitration courts, that’s them refusing to be Americans?

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  • ICRedifURBlue
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:40pm

    …………………………………BANG………………………………….BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG
    BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG………………..reload………….

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:45am

      There is no actual need for you to relate to us your Friday night at the bath house. It’s quite off topic.

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    • readytostand
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 2:24pm

      @ publius — YOU are a PUBE HAIR !!

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  • Bronx
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:31pm

    Isn’t sharia some homosexual club with Mohammed as thier cult leader…?

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    • AB5r
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:47pm

      That is why they keep the women covered up in trash bags, out of sight – out of mind as the saying goes. Pederasty is very common in Islam. And why do you think Muhammad set up the silly “prayer” ritual where they all stick their butts in each other’s faces five times a day? Islam is gay as the day is long. Gay, gay, gay. Satan really gets a belly laugh out of watching Muslims jump through all the gay hoops their whole life only to end up in Hell with all the other gays when they die.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:52pm

      I think someone is forgetting that quite a bit of Christian thought towards the end of the Middle Ages was based on reconciling Platonic and Aristotelian philosophy with Christian doctrine. Need I mention what went on in ancient Greece?

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:36am

      Secular humanism developed in Ancient Greece. Neoplatanism. A sophisticated veneer on Satanic rituals. That was when the ‘mysteries’ were introduced.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:41am

      “In the Middle Ages Neoplatonistic arguments were taken seriously in the thought of medieval Islamic and Jewish thinkers such as al-Farabi and Moses Maimonides,[6] and experienced a revival in the Renaissance with the acquisition and translation of Greek and Arabic Neoplatonic texts.”

      Sadly, I resort to wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism

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  • mapgirl10
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:27pm

    Look at this crap! Why are they here if they want to live like this why didn’t they stay in their own countries! Assimulate or get out!

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  • sURFNmADNESS
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:17pm

    So if they are Sharia, are they for men only too???

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  • AB5r
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:16pm

    Islam is an alternate universe that has no place in the West or in the modern world. INTEREST IS STILL BEING PAID BY THESE FILTHY EVIL SAVAGES! It is just imputed into the over payments, as anyone, except a Muslim, can see. But this is what ALL of Islam is about, changing things to accommodate Islam, as part of the submission to Islam. Even what is good or evil, heaven or hell, Satan or god, is all turned upside down. So whenever a naive infidel thinks they are have interfaith dialog with Muslims, the joke is on them. Nothing is what it seems with Islam. Islam out of the West now.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:57pm

      Yes, because in a free society you can simply “kick out” anyone who worships a religion you don’t like. I strongly oppose your attempts to make America into Saudi Arabia, and if you actually had any patriotism or respect for rights and freedoms, you would too.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:18pm

      twit, it is muslims who make saudi arabia the way it is, that is why muslims must not be allowed in america

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:21pm

      By making America a Christian Saudi Arabia? Makes perfect sense!

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    • IFIXRIGS
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:30pm

      @Pub

      Then If the government is not giving in to Islam then explain Dhimmitude to the rest of us

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:33pm

      Just because someone made up a neologism for it doesn‘t mean it’s actually happening.

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  • rienheart
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:14pm

    Foolish Americans Don’t know when their time is up. Too Bad. It was fun while it lasted, but as Jerimiah Wright Said “Their Chickens have come home to Roost.” If, as an American you are still Asleep or too Stupid to see what is Happening, then you are too stupid to even understand that your Life is Over. Your Children and Grandchildren will live in the Slavery you helped Create, while you keep thinking that our Government Cares about you because you still get your 99 week unemployment check or your welfare check and food stamps. You will soon realize, after the checks stop coming that you are screwed and you and your children are doomed. It will be time then to lay down and die cause all the ones who fought back and tried in vain to open your eyes will all be dead because they did not let the Government Control them. You will be on your own, with no where to go.

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  • FightThePower
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:56pm

    “But we Jews modernized and the sages and rabbis did away, centuries ago, with the prohibition against Jews taking out loans from others that involve paying interest,” Schlussel explains.

    This explains the start of the modern banking system. Where a bank or a lending service could loan out additional money above what they had in possession. Everybody need to research interest bearing banking and what the end result will be in a short period of time.

    If all the principles of all the interest bearing loans were paid, there would be literally no money left (it would not exist) to pay the interest, hence the banks would collect interest due by taking possession of collateral. Banks are the ones that create 90+% (electronic money) of all money that exists today and the rest is a interest bearing loan to the government by the Federal Reserve. There is not a dollar in the America or 85% of the world that is not interest bearing.

    When it all hits the fan,the banks will OWN everything.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:47am

      Wait a minute–don’t you folks believe in the free market and individual responsibility? So really if there is a problem with the modern banking system, it’s on you folks who are happy to let big business do whatever it wants!

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:30am

      Newsflash, Fight. They already own you. Fed Reserve Act of 1913.

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    • WatchingObama
      Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:33am

      @Publius
      Sharia Laws and The United States Constitution and Bill of Rights are polar opposites.
      Islam is a Theocracy. It’s a “religion” and a governmental structure.
      13 states have passed laws banning any use of foreign laws in their state courts. 12 other states are working on such laws now.
      All of America there are so called “Isalmic charter schools” where kids can bring their prayer blankets and pray to Allah and not one word is said about it. Why? Fear!
      Everyone is wrapped in fear of what the muslim school, parents and mosques would do to ANY entity challenging this. Meanwhile, their are case after case of Charter and public schools where Christian kids and parents are not allowed to say one thing about their beliefs on any school property!
      The true faith and true religion is Chrisitianity – it’s eveident in the complete squelching in our society and quite frankly around the world.
      What are people so afraid of concerning Christianity?
      Why, in the same community a Muslim Public Charter School can freely allow the kids to worship their god as they want but across town at another Public Charter School a kids and parents are told that there will not be any reference to Jesus or Christianity and if done will result in suspension or being expelled.
      Why?
      F E A R!
      “For God has not given you a Spirit of fear but of love, power and a sound mind”

      We need to stop this before it’s too late.

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  • DD313
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:52pm

    Anyone else notice the similarity between this loan scheme and the recent “fold” by the current administration regarding mandated health insurance coverage of contraceptives, including morning after pills, to employees of Catholic non-church institutions? Both simply recast the objectionable religious issue in a different light to attain the desired end. Loans can still be made to Muslims who will still pay for the service, while free contraceptives will still be provided to employees of Catholic institutions by their insurers, who will collect the cost through the premiums charged. Doubletalk sure can work wonders.

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    • DD313
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 2:40am

      Just found out insurance companies will not be able to charge higher premiums for contraceptives to employees of Catholic institutions. That means everyone’s premiums will go up to pay for this charade.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:48am

      Does it? Or is that just a guess that you are pushing forward as fact?

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    • DD313
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 4:10pm

      Pencilneck: I wouldn’t have corrected my own post if I were making it up. Do your own research.

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  • scrapadapolis
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:48pm

    Cant nip whats been growing for 10 years ever slow slowly.their bigger and getting more powerful everyday.I’ts you talkers that dont chastise them in public your all afraid.I tell em like it is when I see them in my neighborhood.I tell them to leave before its too late and americans take back america.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 12:05pm

      Yes, because if the future has told us anything, it’s that successive waves of immigrants to the United States (Catholics, Asians, Eastern Europeans, Mexicans, etc.) typically leave when people tell them to. This is because they simply aren’t interesting in making a better life for themselves and their families if it requires offending any bigots. That’s why the United States is and has remained 100% anglo-saxon protestant!

      Oh wait… I’m beginning to suspect that your grasp of history is not as strong as you may think…

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  • possom
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:41pm

    Don’tcha just love it when you can see the future coming at ya like a freight train?

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  • Socialism_Is_The_New_Black
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:25pm

    “I don’t want to go to the bank and get charged for interest,” he said. “If I need more funds, I can use [the program] again, not now, but if I need it I can go and get it.”

    Instead of charging interest, the city and the ADC estimate how long it will take the business to pay off the loan and totals what the interest would be. That amount is added as a lump sum to the total cost of the loan.

    “It feels like, looks like and acts like a loan, but it’s just a different way of looking at it,” said Hussein Samatar, executive director of the ADC.

    ——– Really? It is or it isn’t. NET LOAN PROCEEDS you 7th century lack-of math-skills savages. There is interest paid back regardless and now the government is dabbling in religious borrowing. Are those tools easily tricked by simple mathematics or just rationalize when needed to shoehorn it in their religion?

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    • spirited
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:53pm

      Anyone been to Minn. lately?

      >Especially all around Rochester?

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    • JBaer
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:36pm

      Spirited, Yeah, I live just a few minutes from Mpls. There are around 80,000 Muslims in the metro area. We have a huge Somali population, with over 32,000 of them.

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    • DYNA
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:40pm

      When the money is no longer available to subsidize these groups, what then?

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  • JBaer
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:22pm

    And guess who is the representative in one of the districts in Mpls? Keith Ellison.

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:28pm

      Caliphate Keith?
      What a surprise!
      This bs has to be stopped NOW.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:55pm

      And so the madness continues to spread; it does need to be stopped NOW.

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    • cassandra
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:42pm

      Kieth took his oath of office with his hand on the koran where do you think his allegiance lays, his loyality is not with the Constitution,but islam by the way the koran belonged to Thomas Jefferson so he would know how to fight his enemy

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:27pm

      “the koran belonged to Thomas Jefferson so he would know how to fight his enemy”

      Nope. Maybe you should be more respectful towards the founding fathers and stop lying about them.

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    • amdoktor
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 9:08am

      In Minneapolis stores, the Muslims expect us to move out of their way, as we are infidels, as they
      butt in line and swear at you in gibberish. They know the discrimination laws and it is shoved in your face with attitude.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 9:57am

      Actually, yes, Jefferson DID keep a koran for the purpose of knowing his enemy.
      On May 10, 1801, the “pasha” declared war on the U.S., and Jefferson sent troops in response.
      This was the first war declared on America by anyone.
      It was due to Jefferson’s refusal to pay “tribute” (jizya), which the pasha demanded on the day Jefferson was inaugurated. The islamics had taken American sailors captive and were demanding $250,000 in “tribute”, which Jefferson refused, knowing it would only encourage repeated acts of the same kind.
      This was in TRIPOLI – as in, “from the halls of Montezuma, TO THE SHORES OF TRIPOLI”.
      So, there are the historic FACTS for anyone who is interested in FACTS.

      btw: publiuspencilman is a TROLL. Ignore his posts.
      This one perpeatrated LIES, so I am providing FACTS, not just ACCUSATIONS.
      simply ignore him. It is the reaction that he seeks.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:57am

      I know quite a bit about the Barbary Wars my friend. I also know that the founders very much understood the conflicts with Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli in terms of piracy and economics, not in terms of religion. Furthermore, I know that Great Britain had a role in coaxing North African attacks on American shipping in the post-independence period in order to stifle American trade in the Mediterranean. Jefferson was certainly in favor of fighting the Barbary powers, but he himself did not see this as a war between religions. In fact, the entire “shores of Tripoli” episode came about when the U.S. military, led by the marines, were attempting to overthrow the ruler of Tripoli and put into power his equally Muslim Hamet Caramelli, who had agreed to end the war when he reclaimed his title as Pasha.

      And that’s how yo work with FACTS. You’re welcome for the free lesson.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on February 13, 2012 at 7:34am

      The Treaty of Tripoli was 1796 and 1797(2 signings), I believe..
      “The treaty was a routine diplomatic agreement but has attracted later attention because the English version included a clause about religion in America:
      “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

      Also, Britain declared war on the US.. before this was signed. Way before. Like 2 decades.

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:16pm

    …
    Sharia Law in America, needs to be nipped in the bud, before this disease spreads any farther.

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  • ZeroOff4impact
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:14pm

    Tick tock…. Time is running out..

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    • AmericanStrega
      Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:10pm

      And doesn’t it seem like the clock is running faster and faster everyday? Something is gonna blow and blow big. Most of America is not prepared. It’s sad. A once great country is close to being dead and most of her citizens aren’t even aware of it and/or don’t care.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:08pm

    Ah, yes… Sharia Finance: profit must go to support the Holy War… against Jews & Christians… until the Whole World is Islamic under a Caliphate!

    Treason!

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:48am

      If by “holy war” you mean hard-working small business owners, because that is actually what the loan program deals with and its what the article talks about.

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  • AmericanStrega
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:03pm

    I‘m wondering why the atheists aren’t all up in arms about this. Oh yeah, because it’s muslins instead of Christians.

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  • PubliusPencilman
    Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:54pm

    It’s not government support, its an accommodation of religion–just like giving places of worship tax exempt status or letting Jewish people use religious arbitration courts. The difference is quite clear, so try a bit a thought next time.

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  • Flagwaver
    Posted on February 12, 2012 at 10:53am

    Religious Arbitration? That’s your argument? So, because a small matter can be handled by an arbiter rather than bogged down in legal proceedings, you think it is wrong? Let me guess, if there is a disagreement on a playground, do you think they should go to court because the teacher is not a judge? Those courts are not legal judicial systems. Both people who bring their case to the arbitration court sign a piece of paper that states they will follow the ruling. Otherwise, they do not need to follow the ruling. It is simply two “parishioners” who agree to allow a “pastor” that is trained in law to decide their dispute.

    As for the tax exempt status, which religion does it favor? None, because they all enjoy it equally. So, on point two of your argument, you fail.

    This program specifically caters to Muslims. Not to Christians, Jews, or anyone else. It is designed and implemented by the state for Muslims. So, tell me how that is correct according the the Establishment clause?

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  • PubliusPencilman
    Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:44am

    Is Christmas not a federal holiday? Are there not specific accommodations made for specific religious practices in the U.S. military? Does the U.S. military not provide Catholic chaplains?

    So, am I to believe that you do not understand the difference between these things and the promotion of specific religious doctrines or practices with something like the Ten Commandments in a Federal Courthouse? You clearly need to think a bit harder.

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