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Is the Oslo Gunman Really Right-Wing?

Is Oslo Normay Gunman Anders Behring Breivik Really a Right Wing Extremist?As the world thirsts for information on the details surrounding the bombing and mass shooting in Oslo, Norway, the narrative has turned to gunman Anders Behring Breivik and his political affiliations. Quickly, he has been labeled “extreme right wing,” but is that really the fairest designation given what we know thus far?

According to several outlets, Breivik identified with some conservative causes. But the more one digs, the more one finds that Anders Behring Breivik holds the views of a racist, bigoted, zealot that really can’t be fit into a neat box.

The Atlantic has pulled together the overarching mainstream narrative thus far on Breivik: he‘s a Christian conservative who didn’t like Muslims. Here’s how they write it:

Religious views: According to the BBC, Breivik has a Facebook and Twitter account that he set up a mere few days ago on July 17, where he identifies himself as a Christian and a conservative. There are several reports of his anti-Muslim views. In a post in Norwegian in an online forum on December 2009, a user named Anders Behring Breivik claims there is not one country where Muslims have peacefully lived with non-Muslims, stating that instead it has had “catastrophic consequences” for non-Muslims.

Political views: The Daily Mail reports that National police chief Sveinung Sponheim told public broadcaster NRK that the suspected gunman’s internet postings “suggest that he has some political traits directed toward the right, and anti-Muslim views, but if that was a motivation for the actual act remains to be seen.” Furthermore, the Norwegian daily Verdens Gang quoted a friend as saying Breivik became a rightwing extremist in his late 20s.

But is that an oversimplified explanation?

Consider this: The Daily Mail opens its profile on Breivik with some information that would seem to shake up any simple explanation of who he is or what he believed:

The man responsible for the massacre in Norway was a member of a Swedish nazi forum which encourages attacks on government buildings.

It was also revealed by local police that he had extreme right wing views who hated Muslims.

According to Swedish website Expo Anders Behring Breivik is a member of ‘Nordisk’ which has 22,000 members and focuses on political terrorism.

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[His Facebook profile] also listed interests such as body-building and freemasonry. [Emphasis added]

That’s certainly a mixed bag. And some of that information would seem to hint at a possible extreme leftist position, perhaps anarchism, would it not? It certainly doesn’t reflect the views of a conservative Christian, as he claimed to be.

It’s also important to note that the terms of American politics are not easily transferable to European politics. Often, the extremes in Europe are communists on the left and fascists on the right. In America, “extreme right wing” has been hijacked to label conservatives who adhere strictly to the Constitution, or who fight for legal immigration. (Some on the American left have even succeeded in making “extreme right wing” synonymous with the Tea Party.) In Europe, however, the term could mean zealous nationalists and militant fascists.

So, an “extreme right wing” individual in Europe is not always an “extreme right wing” individual in America. That’s important to note, as the designation will undoubtedly make the rounds in the attack’s aftermath.

Considering what we know about Breivik, then, could it be that the term “extreme right wing” is a misnomer? Especially considering that when you start dealing with extremist groups and individuals who fall well beyond the fringe, their beliefs often blur — they handpick a tenant from the right and bastardize it, grab an ideology from the left and skew it, and then create their own belief system.

Breivik’s beliefs — and the actions he implemented — may show he and his ideology are as fuzzy as they come.

Author’s note: consider this a starting point as we continue to investigate Breivik. The questions raised here are important to start asking, and we’ll continue trying to answer them as we go forward. Also, since the situation is fluid, stay tuned for additional information on his background.

Comments (675)

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  • USAF2003
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:45pm

    This is ridiculous! He AINT right/left/middle/up/down……He is a NUT-JOB period.

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    • FToth84
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:55pm

      @ USAF agreed he is a complete nut job! Not to mention I can totally see why they say he is “extreme right wing”. It simple actually. They have come to this conclusion because of who he attacked.
      Here is what the EPLP stands for. Taken from they homepage.
      The European Parliamentary Labour Party brings together Labour MEPs as Labour’s voice in Europe. The EPLP is an integral part of the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats in the European Parliament and of the Labour Party. Labour’s European Parliamentarians are your voice in Europe. They work to advance democracy, social justice, prosperity, peace and sustainable development in the UK, EU and throughout the world.

      With that there is still no excuse for what this sicko has done.

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:55pm

      set up.
      he set up a facebook account 17 days ago, to ‘have proof’ that he is christian and conservative, then does that? mmmmhmmmm… complete scam.

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    • johnsell
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:56pm

      One thing we know for sure and that is he’s a cold blooded murder!

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    • nysparkie
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:00pm

      I’m with you USAF2003. Nut job with his views socially and politically all over the place. Like a nut job.

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    • Seasoldier
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:04pm

      If this crazy man was a member of a NAZI organization, then he was Socialist, since Nazi’s are National Socialists, and are one variety of EXTREME LEFT WING crazy people.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:06pm

      RIP Danny Jowenko
      one more truther murdered ?

      http://www.911truth.ch/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2623

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:11pm

      Easy to prove he’s not conservative.
      Conservatives believe in achieving their goals via elections.
      Period.

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    • Hiswill
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:11pm

      “He hates Muslims”, yet all the people he killed were non-Muslims and his countrymen. I’m going with NUTJOB.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:11pm

      Fascism belongs to the left.

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    • ILUVJESUS
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:14pm

      Now maybe this guy considered himself to be a Christian, anyone can claim to identify with any faith, but his actions were not biblical. What he did wasn’t what Christ would do, quite the opposite!

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    • snidley-whiplash
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:18pm

      Homework time kiddies,

      http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/21/labours-summer-camp-opens/
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Norway)

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:20pm

      @ BMWRider
      What I like about the left. They flee like cockroaches.

      Case in point. You equate Nazism with the left. they cry foul.

      “Private property rights were conditional upon the economic mode of use; if it did not advance Nazi economic goals, the state could nationalize it.[176] Nazi government corporate takeovers, and threatened takeovers, encouraged compliance with government production plans, even if unprofitable for the firm” -Wikipedia

      Doesn’t look like the U.S. Constitution. it looks like the left’s ideal come true.

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    • Jack2011
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:21pm

      Hiswill
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:11pm

      “He hates Muslims”, yet all the people he killed were non-Muslims and his countrymen. I’m going with NUTJOB.
      ____________

      Excellent Point!!

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    • SacredHonor1776
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:22pm

      There are scary people on the right and the left. Trust no one!

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    • lionB
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:24pm

      Beamer you are full of $%#T!!!

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    • OlefromMN
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:26pm

      We all knew this would be the storyline of the MSM (AP). No true conservative would ever think to act this way. Let the “chips” fall were they may, but I must say it’s too bad Norway got rid of the death penalty

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    • loriann12
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:35pm

      @bmrider….once again, I’ll type it slowly…..N a z i ‘ s a r e s o c i a l i s t s, n o t c o n s e r v a t i v e. And just because someone claims to be a Christian, doesn’t make them one. A Christian is known by his/her actions, not speech alone. I can claim to be purple, but it won’t make it so.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:48pm

      An anti-establishment pro anarchist conservative? Now there‘s an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one. The fallacy of moral equivalence drips from the media calling this clown a conservative. Revisionists have painted in textbooks that Hitler and the Nazi’s were far right wing conservatives, and nothing could be further from the truth.

      They were anarchists who became terrorists, just like this douche. That makes them extreme left wing.

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:57pm

      http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/who-added-christian-and-conservative-to-norway-shooters-facebook-page-yesterday.html

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    • jhpetersen
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:00pm

      JB.KIBS

      He had another FB account but it was blocked because he posted what was considered hateful speech on the wall of the profile. So he had to create a new one. This has also been reported in atleast the danish and norwegian news.

      The twitter account is new though.

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    • hurricanerigger
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:02pm

      If Norway had the second amendment of our constitution, this man would not have gotten so far, before a true patriot would have blown his brains up! I know I would have! A crisis of that magnitude would have not happened here in the US of A! In Norway (a socialist country) right wing means National Socialist! Not a republican nor conservative! More like an extremist left wing loon!

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:03pm

      loriann12
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:35pm

      @bmrider….once again, I’ll type it slowly…..N a z i ‘ s a r e s o c i a l i s t s, n o t c o n s e r v a t i v e. And just because someone claims to be a Christian, doesn’t make them one. A Christian is known by his/her actions, not speech alone. I can claim to be purple, but it won’t make it so.
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      Nazi or National Socialist German Workers Party is a combination of Marxist ideology in the form of the Progressive movement and Authoritarianism. That makes Naziism extreme far left on the Political scale, and is an Oligarchy from an American Political Science perspective. People misinterpret the American Founders when they claimed to be Liberal. That tag was associated with any members of the Crown who campaigned against the Monarchy. The Classical Liberalism of the Founders would be considered right on the Political spectrum today, making them Conservative by association, but Republican (not the Party, but in the reference to Rule by Equal Justice under a fixed set of Laws toward individual Liberty) out from under the authoritarian rule.

      So you are dead center right loriann12. Lerroux’s Romanticism is the same as Hitlers Socialism.

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    • orthodoxc
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:10pm

      BMWrider, I hate to tell you but McVeigh was not a conservative. He hated Christians! It seems to me that the majority of the extremism is on the left. Do you remember the unibomber, the 9-11 murderers, Pohl Pot, Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, George Tiller,and the rest of which are too many to list.

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    • robert
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:30pm

      This entire story just doesn’t make any sense by claiming politics or societal ills were the basis for the attacks.

      With Muslims, the terrorism they practise are mostly paybacks to people or nations.

      I see no way this guy could feel as if he would ever benefit from this violence in any way possible, if he were in his right mind.

      He’s got to be just plain nuts.

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:32pm

      http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9OLGBG82&show_article=1
      LONDON (AP) – In the wake of Norway’s terrorist attack, the European police agency is setting up a task force of more than 50 experts to help northern European countries investigate non-Islamic terror threats, its spokesman told The Associated Press on Saturday.

      Soeren Pedersen said the group, which is based in The Hague, hopes to help Norway and nearby countries in their investigations in the coming weeks. He said Norway has not requested forensic experts but that Europol could provide them if needed.

      “There is no doubt that the threat from Islamist terrorism is still valid,” he said. “But there have actually been warnings that (right-wing groups) are getting more professional, more aggressive in the way they attract others to their cause.”

      Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, European countries have viewed Islamic terrorism as the primary threat. But the fact the suspect in Friday’s twin attacks turned out to be a Norwegian with right-wing views is raising questions about whether homegrown, non-Islamic terror threats have been neglected.

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    • robert
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:35pm

      bmwrider
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:55pm
      “Yes, this man was a Right-Wing nut of the Timothy McVeigh variety. There are some pretty scary types on the far right.”

      Yeah, like William Ayers, the anti-capitalists today who bomb and trash cities, plus a dozen other factions, like the Black Panthers, The Brown Berets, The Black Muslims, The black street gangs/ the Hispanic street gangs, amounting to over one million members, just to name a few.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:39pm

      robert
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:30pm

      This entire story just doesn’t make any sense by claiming politics or societal ills were the basis for the attacks.

      With Muslims, the terrorism they practise are mostly paybacks to people or nations.

      I see no way this guy could feel as if he would ever benefit from this violence in any way possible, if he were in his right mind.

      He’s got to be just plain nuts.
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      Agree and disagree. He was certainly a nut job. My disagreement with your post is that he himself made it a political act through his associations and diatribe.

      I also disagree with your perspective on Muslims and their acts of retribution terrorism. They are terrorists by their their own choosing, because that’s what they want to do. There’s no retribution involved because they are the aggressors.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:42pm

      VanGrungy
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:32pm

      http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9OLGBG82&show_article=1
      LONDON (AP) – In the wake of Norway’s terrorist attack, the European police agency is setting up a task force of more than 50 experts to help northern European countries investigate non-Islamic terror threats, its spokesman told The Associated Press on Saturday.

      Soeren Pedersen said the group, which is based in The Hague, hopes to help Norway and nearby countries in their investigations in the coming weeks. He said Norway has not requested forensic experts but that Europol could provide them if needed.

      “There is no doubt that the threat from Islamist terrorism is still valid,” he said. “But there have actually been warnings that (right-wing groups) are getting more professional, more aggressive in the way they attract others to their cause.”

      Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, European countries have viewed Islamic terrorism as the primary threat. But the fact the suspect in Friday’s twin attacks turned out to be a Norwegian with right-wing views is raising questions about whether homegrown, non-Islamic terror threats have been neglected.
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      Virtual propaganda dressed up by Statist authorities and force fed to the sheep. This guy is not far right wing. He’s far left wing no matter how much moral

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:47pm

      they cut off the last few words after saying I had characters remaining.

      It should finish as ^moral relativism they want to spout.

      NOT TO BLAZE EDITORS: This forum format is awful, and high schoolish in design. Go to a more ProBoard system with moderation.

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    • Erabin
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:01pm

      “If this crazy man was a member of a NAZI organization, then he was Socialist, since Nazi’s are National Socialists, and are one variety of EXTREME LEFT WING crazy people.”

      I will never understand where this misinformation comes from. Nazis were and are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. The “socialist” part of National Socialist was a simple lie to get the support of the workers and nothing more. Nazis were enemies of socialist/communist principles and labor unions and this was reflected in their policies.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:04pm

      Fear Pays!!!

      The dual citizen former head of DHS Michael Chertoff and his cohort Jewish lesbian Janet will most likely be urging anal cavity examinations upon little American boys and girls now that we got us a good ole white right winger terrorist… Indeed not only does fear pay as in the case with Chertoff’s scanner company but it also enables one to set aside those little pesky freedoms and liberties guaranteed under our Constitution. Another day in the life under the wicked ZOG of America!!
      Thank you Rupert for keeping the sheep so deceived.. By the way you’re not a dual citizen too are you Rupert? Noooo, say it ain’t so… Let’s go investigate. lol

      Anyone waking up out there? Or are we still fighting over the tax rates for the most wealthy in America? lol Oh God help us!

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    • ShayPackrit
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:08pm

      The political spectrum:

      http://www.federalistjournal.com/spectrum.php

      He looks extreme left to me.

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    • TunaBlue
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:29pm

      @BMW

      Get a clue. McVeigh was not a right wing anything. He was an admitted agnostic, and he stated that his “religion was science.”

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    • OKC08GT500
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:49pm

      BMWrider – The European right has more in common with the American left than the American right. Also, Mcveigh had help from Iraqi’s that had relocated to OKC.

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    • Alinskyrevenge
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:57pm

      He’s crazy and fits in with the leftist eco-terrorists we have here.

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    • HairOfTheDogSob
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:20pm

      NAZI= Socialist

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    • TheBMT
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:22pm

      remember, remember. Glenn went over this. Right and Left in Europe are totally different things compared to right and left in America. Remember the train tracks analogy?

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    • tifosa
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:26pm

      Oh yeh, no doubt, right-wing extremist (”…Breivik is apparently an avid fan of U.S.-based anti-Muslim activists such as Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes, and has repeatedly professed his ardent support for Israel…”) http://mondoweiss.net/2011/07/the-norway-massacre-and-the-nexus-of-islamophobia-and-right-wing-zionism.html#more-47861

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:26pm

      @Jonathon M. Seidl
      Thanks. Please do follow this. Something’s fishy with this whole nightmarish thing.

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    • ViewPointtt
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:29pm

      He is much more than a nut job… he is a Free Mason. Among the first photos released he is in the standard freemason costume…. which has now been pulled. If he is right-wing, anti-Muslim, Christian fundamentalist then why did he not target Muslims? Instead he murdered his own Christian people? Coincidently, the Norwegian police conducted a bomb threat training just days before? This has all the signatures of a False-Flag op.

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    • CoSkiTeacher
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:02pm

      If he was a right-winger that hated Muslims then why did he attack non Muslims instead of Muslims?

      This is a false flag, and it is too obvious by the 5 day old FB and Twitter accounts, bogus, keep looking people, we have a Muslim sympathizer here in this killer.
      And McVeigh was working with the Ramsey Yousef/Kahlid Sheik Mohammad group, see the truth at jaynadavis.com .

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:21pm

      Erabin writes: I will never understand where this misinformation comes from. Nazis were and are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. The “socialist” part of National Socialist was a simple lie to get the support of the workers and nothing more. Nazis were enemies of socialist/communist principles and labor unions and this was reflected in their policies.
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      You’ve bought the liberal lie about Nazism, and can’t therefore properly define either right OR left. But with a little thinking, you can get over that. The right is about individual liberty and minimal govt intervention. Because that’s the central idea, the right gets painted as pro-business, and business can get in bed with govt for mutual benefit, like in fascist regimes who talk nationalism, and fatherland, but who build huge bureaucracies (Hitler had double ministries for EVERYTHING) for the concentration of power in the state, not the people. Conservatives believe the people should have the power, not the state. Socialist was part of their NAME, not a mere lie–Nazis wanted state control of means of production. Liberals nowadays promote unions because unions support state control, in Germany unions opposed Hitler’s consolidating moves, so he opposed them.
      If you understand that state control is the heart of the matter, you’ll make less misdiagnoses of political problems, and cry “misinformation” on the Blaze a lot less.

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    • Wyatt's Torch
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:24pm

      I can already feel the rough cold hands of the TSA agents as they get a bit more emboldened as now they have their fair haired, blue eyed terrorist to justify more vigorous and ridiculous screenings and the gun control crowd will also be licking their chops as well… I am confident that the nanny state will never waste a good tragedy… [cue Obama and his executive order pen]

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    • mchris
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:35pm

      I agree with you USAF2003. Why should we let the issue be framed as either left or right anyway? I think this should be framed as GOOD or EVIL. This guy’s actions are clearly evil.

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    • Lamarr01
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:38pm

      Everyone wants to put a label on this man. There aren’t many facts to back up any conclusions. Remember when Jared Loughner shot Gabrielle Giffords? There few facts and no clear motivation. The media and everyone with an opinion came up with their own story. I‘m pretty sure Sarah Palin wasn’t the inspiration for these murders in Norway.

      How long will it be before Janet Napalitano will use this event to declare white, male, Christian, Constitutionalists as potential terrorists and there should be more surveillance of these groups and their weapons should be forceably confiscated?

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    • skip59
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:06pm

      He’s not Christian for christians follow Christ Jesus..Christ Jesus killed no one and condemed such actions as this man did. You can’t “Kill” and call yourself a Christian..The two don’t mix

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    • Seagal45
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:24pm

      You got that right!

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:42pm

      If you understand that state control is the heart of the matter, you’ll make less misdiagnoses of political problems, and cry “misinformation” on the Blaze a lot less.

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      Say what. I also have a Social Science Degree in Political Science under Professor Paul Beck, one of the foremost PoliSci Professors in the Country, from Ohio State. I’ll simplify the political spectrum for you with a video.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE

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    • drphil69
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:50pm

      An extreme right-wing nazi?? Nazi are socialists… (yes, the national socialist party, one of their platforms was universal health care…)

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    • Rice Water
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:04pm

      OK, fine…if it makes you feel better, he was an Obama-voting socialist who believes in global warming, who is also fathering George Soros’ love-child. Happy?

      Or maybe he’s just a psycho.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:14pm

      @drphil69
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 7:50pm

      An extreme right-wing nazi?? Nazi are socialists… (yes, the national socialist party, one of their platforms was universal health care…)
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      There were 2 competing views of Socialism emerging as the 19th century opened. The philosophies of Hegel gaining prominent postulations. Leroux who was a dreamer, and philosopher embraced the ideologies and fashioned Romanticism from much of Hegels work. This age saw the fruits and the rotten fruits of the Age of Reason that gave formative structure to the rapidly changing world landscape. From Hegels works such as “Science of Logic”, the “Encyclopedia of the Philosophical Sciences”, and “Philosophy of Right”. It’s from these principles that Marx and Engels drew from known as the hegelian dialect to fashion the Socialism that leads to (theoretically) Utopian Society. Two camps emerged in the Germany that gave rise to Hitler. They were the left and right constituents of hegelian dialect. Hegelian dialect is entirely left wing, though within it’s body there was a left and right. I’d love to give some lessons on the Partnership of Stalin and Hitler, and Hitlers treason against his compact with Russia. They were in the exact same camp, extreme left.

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    • kadydid
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:18pm

      Nut jobs come in all stripes….from radical left wing bomber college professor Bill Ayers to the Fort Hood shooter military shrink Major Malik Nadal Hasan to the Times square, shoe and underwear bombers..
      What an assortment!

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:19pm

      Rice Water
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:04pm

      OK, fine…if it makes you feel better, he was an Obama-voting socialist who believes in global warming, who is also fathering George Soros’ love-child. Happy?

      Or maybe he’s just a psycho.
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      To be sure, he was certainly a psycho. His paper trail puts him into bed with every other radical agenda peddling madman, like Hitler, like Pol Pot, like Chairman Mau Tse Tung, Joesph Stalin, and Barack Obama, and Baracks daddy, George Soros.

      Now I’m happy!

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    • avenger
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:31pm

      not to worry..another euro fruitcake…

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    • Viet Vet
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:34pm

      “seem to hint at a possible extreme leftist position, perhaps anarchism, would it not? It certainly doesn’t reflect the views of a conservative Christian, as he claimed to be.”

      The truth is this is almost a perfect definition of Libertarian (big L). Anti-Christian, anti-semitic, anti-establishment, anarchist. They share some of those with leftists. Other characteristics they share with leftists are anti-corporation, pro-illicit drug, isolationism, anti-national defense/war, etc. Libertarians (big L) share many more traits with leftists than not.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:35pm

      He‘s a protoge of Becks’ anti muslim hatred and paranoia ,the foz zionists and the tea party right wing.and you hypocrites know it. Had he attacked a mosque and killed civilian muslims you’d all be cheering this brave noble norweigiian!.He missed your desired target[you never know where genocidal hatred may leak].Right wing Christians ready to go hunting children like rabbits for Christ;;“run rabbit run”.

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    • Rice Water
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:45pm

      Just because you write it, 10th, doesn’t make it true. How is this person related to George Soros or Barack Obama, outside of your paranoid fantasies?

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    • CitizenVetUSA
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:48pm

      The article reads: “an “extreme right wing” individual in Europe is not always an “extreme right wing” individual in America“ and ”in Europe are communists on the left and fascists on the right”.

      Extreme right wing = Fascists

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:31pm

      Oh please people. Face the facts as they are known so far. This guy was a youth and adult member of a politically Conservative group (who have expressed shock at his being a member) who are adamantly opposed to immigration as most of you are here. He railed against Muslims on the web. The was a member of a gun club. He claimed to be a fundamentalist Christian. He attacked the liberal PM of Norway. And let’s not forget that the people he killed were attending a gathering teenagers involved with the liberal movement in Norway.

      This was a white, gun toting, conservative, fundamentalist Christian. Just like the people who post here.

      My point? I have several. I read posts trying to pervert the fact of this story to pretend that this guy, who killed 85 liberal leaning teenagers was really a liberal. Please don’t try that, you just sound stupid.

      Second, this event points out the hypocrisy of those of you who will take terrorists acts of a vanishingly small number of the Muslim population, and claim that all Muslims are exactly the same. I wonder if Cain will now say he won’t have white, Christian, conservatives in his cabinet because of this guy and Timothy Mcveigh.

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    • AmericanWarrior
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:42pm

      BMW LOOSER: & Bill Ayers blowing up a police station… I guess that doesn’t ring a bell with you does it… nope, you are just as happy as a ****** in a room full of bouncy-balls saying that blowing things up is a “Right-Wing” only type action… I am a right wing as they come & I think they need to reinstate the death penalty in Norway just for this Nazi… Drink bleach BMW… drink bleach & walk toward the light…

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    • Rictavious Porkchop
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:45pm

      The Soro’s controlled media has once again (in the same year) labeled without proof a person as Right Wing, Christian, Conservative and another McVeigh.

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    • Ask-More-Questions
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:47pm

      USAF2003 – Understand the sentiment, we must not confuse evil with insanity. Evil executes a pre-meditated attack. Crazy people do – well, crazy things, without intention. This doesn’t seem to qualify as “crazy.”

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:12pm

      JZS writes: Please don’t try that, you just sound stupid.
      —
      I cite the long and storied trollsmanship you have foisted upon this site as evidence that you are again projecting here, and again need to take a dose of your own medicine. Or maybe you should just quit pretending to care, since you have consistently been unable to demonstrate comprehension of the first principles of conservatism.
      Talk about ignoring the big facts right under your nose: Conservatism seeks to persuade in the arena of ideas and then win at the ballot box, not coerce by threat of violence, much less by the slaughter of innocent children as a political statement. This guy didn’t understand the first thing about the political right…which makes you similar to a madman in at least one respect…
      Also, I noticed how you conveniently left the word “illegal” off your claim that the right is anti-immigrant…

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:16pm

      Thanks for the video link 10th.
      Amazing how many still need that primer.

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    • vrwconspire
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:31pm

      Extreme right of the european variety, that is.

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:56pm

      Hello HAPPYSTRETCHEDTHIN. Glad to make you acquaintance. I hope to have future debates with you! You certainly express yourself well and grammatically and without overt accusation or name calling.

      I feel complimented by the way I read your first paragraph which includes the phrase, “long and storied trollmanship.” Yes, I’ve posted here for a long time, but “storied” is a serious compliment. I’m happy that my positions sometime carry over from one post to another, if that’s what you mean.

      You also said in that first paragraph that I have no “comprehension of the first principles of conservatism.” Okay. I think I do, you think I don’t. So that’s an area of future debate, since you gave no prior example of my posts that lead you to that opinion.

      As far as the guy in Norway, he was just crazy. His actions were not because he was conservative or whatever else. He was just nuts.

      The only point I tried to make was the same as you are making. Muslims that slaughter others in name of the Muslim religion have no true understanding of the Muslim religion. I’m sure you agree with that. If you won’t blame all Muslims for the actions of 1/100,000 of a percent of Muslims I won’t blame conservative like you on the actions of this guy.

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 11:55pm

      JZS writes: If you won’t blame all Muslims for the actions of 1/100,000 of a percent of Muslims I won’t blame conservative like you on the actions of this guy.
      —
      You keep demonstrating ignorance among other things (poor reading skills, logical fallacies). No one seriously blames all Muslims for terrorist acts. That would be unfair, since, by your stats, only 1/100,000 commit terrorist acts. But you’re already disingenuous in bringing that up: are we not supposed to notice that the VAST majority of terrorist acts are perpetrated by Muslims? Your logic doesn’t hold. While I would agree with you that Muslims certainly have the right to define what is and what is not part of their religion, how can you ignore that well over that 1/100,000 figure you pulled out of your hat think Al-Qaeda is on the right track? And although conservatism has varieties, you should admit that martyrdom, warfare for ideology, and terrorism simply aren’t debatable modes of expression like they are in the Muslim faith. It’s not the people that we oppose, it’s their dangerous ideas.
      Now, let‘s confess that we don’t have a clear picture of Ander’s beliefs just yet. But I‘ll bet you a day’s worth of silence on the Blaze he hated immigrants for draining his nanny state, not because he wanted limited govt and individual liberties.
      Be intellectually honest (if you can).

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    • BishopKnight
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 12:08am

      @jb.kibs
      I thought the exact same thing when I heard the story. Glenn warned that an attempt on Obama’s life would be played against conservatives and Christians. This could be a sample of things to come here in the US if the libs get desperate. This guy does these acts then comes out with, what I believe, to be a phony confession in an attempt to smear the reputation of Christian conservatives. And with the maximum penalty of 21 years, he probably felt it was worth the smear. Or worse, someone in their government set him up to it and is going to reward him with a sorter sentence and some money. They might try to pass some crazy hate speech laws to silence the opposition. What ever the case might be, something about this doesn’t smell right.

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    • HellPhish89
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 12:40am

      if he was a Nazi/National Socialist type (if), then thats not a right-wing trait (for the US anyways).

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    • VoteBushIn12
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 1:35am

      He is as much a Christian as an Islamic Terrorist is a Muslim. You can’t categorize an entire religion based on the actions of a few and then denounce the same acts when it contradicts your message.

      PS. He was a bigoted racist? Sounds like a right winger to me.

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    • Gerrymanderer
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 1:59am

      From NYTimes: “The Norwegian man charged Saturday with a pair of attacks in Oslo that killed at least 92 people left behind a detailed manifesto outlining his preparations and calling for a Christian war to defend Europe against the threat of Muslim domination, according to Norwegian and American officials familiar with the investigation.” Almost sounds like a respondent in the Blaze, those who call for reverse-jihad against Sharia and the 12th Imam.

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    • cemerius
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 2:00am

      Stand by folks I feel this incident will make the ******** create more “gun restrictions”!!

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 2:35am

      HEY JBKIBS….I’m with you…17 days before he does this..he post that he’s a christian…something is up there…can someone say set up!

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    • Texchick
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 2:41am

      Please go to Youtube and see the shooter’s 12 minute manifesto for yourself. Read his words. He hated Muslims and the Muslim creep into all of Europe. He hated multi-culturalism which he thought was a liberal hate doctrine that was destroying Europe and encouraging the spread of Islam in Europe. He makes a case that Islam is incompatible with European culture and life. He hated European policy makers that push political correctness and Sharia acceptance. It seems he thought that by striking at the liberal multi-culturalists (the Prime Minister who office was bombed and who was supposed to be at the youth camp) he was striking blow against multi-cultural policies. By hitting the labor party camp, (a propaganda indoctrination camp) I bet he thought he was knocking out their future leadership and brain trust. He appeared to believe in Christian Crusaders, that people need to rise up (violently apparently) against Muslims and stop the tide of multi-culturalism. While NOT agreeing with his methods, many people will respond to the message he wrote about. Read it for yourself. Don’t form your opinions from website headlines. God bless his many victims.

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    • Shiroi Raion
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 2:50am

      Naziism = America‘s Left and Europe’s Right (American Right IS ABSOLUTELY NOT Socialist in any way, not Nazi (German for National Socialist Party), not Communist.. the American Left IS strongly Socialist.)

      Bigotry = nothing to do with political beliefs left nor right, but American left does claim, unrealistically, to be more tolerant; although they definitely appear to be less tolerant. Typical American Right-wingers don’t attack others simply for having different values, the left does that all day long.

      Anti-government = Anarchist or Revolutionary — neither left nor right if Anarchist (self-proclaimed Nazi, therefore must be a Revolutionary) – Tendency: American Leftist due to Socialism.

      Christian??? = seriously??? Okay… Tendency towards American right if that were true.

      Conclusion = In America, he would be a typical left-wing racist nut. In Europe, he’s a Socialist right-wing revolutionary. In any case, probably just an ordinary sociopathic megalomaniac who lost it.

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    • ilovejiggys
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 6:16am

      BS! False flag operation – If was was right wing and hated Muslims why not blow up mosques and kill Muslims instead?

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    • BeardedDog
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 8:27am

      to SHAYPACKRIT who posted this link http://www.federalistjournal.com/spectrum.php

      Thank you! I am always amazed at the number of “educated” people who think that Nazis are right wing. Communists have tried to hijack the scale and redefine Right Wing as having something to do with Religion which is absolutely false. The religious controlled government of Iran is far left, as an example. The true meaning of Right and Left has always been difined by the amount FREEDOM people have in any given society. No freedom and all govt control on the left, all freedom and no govt on the right. True Anarchists who believe in no govt are an example of far right, not left as implied by the author.

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    • ireport uderide
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 8:39am

      Gitmo is still open. Let‘s find out if he’s right/left/middle/up/down.

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    • KNaggieland
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 8:52am

      @bmwrider
      Tim McViegh was a declared agnostic who had read plenty of far left literature. If any thing he was an anarchist. Which is more left than right wing. Same as this guy in Oslo being a member of a national socialist forum which is also far left and advocates blowing up Government buildings just like Obama’s buddy that launched his campaign.

      Hell if you take a long hard look at modern American Democrats and European National socialists (NAZI party) there is little if any difference with the exception that Euro NAZI’s are not as misogynistic as American Democrats. On the racism side the Euro NAZI’s are more open about it but are just as racist as Harry Reid, Bill Clinton, or any other Democrat.

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    • Tom C
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 10:06am

      Only LIBERALS kill children…thats a FACT!

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    • 57states
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 10:08am

      Hitler he was a leftist

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 10:08am

      @jzs,

      “This guy was a youth and adult member of a politically Conservative group (who have expressed shock at his being a member) who are adamantly opposed to immigration as most of you are here.”

      I highly doubt most people here are opposed to immigration.

      Citizenship does mean something in each country – first and foremost being that you have the rights of citizenship within the borders of your country, and not outside of those borders; and second is the inverse: non-citizens do not have the rights of citizenship within your borders.

      Further, the citizens of a given country are entitled to defend their borders from invasion, which includes keeping non-citizens out.

      So, whether we want to oppose immigration or not, is our decision, and there’s nothing at all wrong with that. But as Americans, I would say that we very much enjoy seeing people escape the oppression of central planning, and if they love their own freedom as well as everyone else’s, then they are welcome to seek asylum.

      But at no point does any country NEED immigrants.

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    • Fedupwithprogressives
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 10:18am

      Agree, a nut-job just like the Az shooter of Giffords. This left/right BS is media pablum.

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    • SamIamTwo
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 11:01am

      Seasoldier
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:04pm

      If this crazy man was a member of a NAZI organization, then he was Socialist, since Nazi’s are National Socialists, and are one variety of EXTREME LEFT WING crazy people.
      ==========================================================

      My understanding too…and my major is Sociology.

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 1:18pm

      Hey stretchedthin! I don’t recall seeing you posts here before but I apologize if I missed them. I do see you share the characteristic of name calling with most here (poor reading skills, logical fallacies, intellectual dishonest, disingenous and so on). I know you score points with your friends here for that but it doesn’t impress me. That kind of name calling is a substitute for reasoned argument.

      I was struck foremost by your attempt to link this guys actions to his resentment of a “nanny state” government. I guess you are explaining his actions as a reaction to liberal politics. Nice try. I see you’ve given up trying to claim the guy was not conservative, but now have taken the position that he was reacting to liberal politcs. In any case, you’re wrong. Some of his writings have already been released. For example, “–The author accuses Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg and his Labour Party of perpetuating “cultural Marxist/multiculturalist ideals” and indoctrinating youth with those ideals.” He probably got that line from this website. IMO, you think most terrorist acts are committed by Islamic people because that’s how you define terrorism. You don’t count Columbine, Virginia Tech, the anthrax attacks, hate crime (which are meant to terrorize a group), gang or drug murders (meant to terrorize the opposition).

      Out of room but one point on the 1/100,000 number. How many Islamic people do you know for a fact or terrorist. Divide

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 3:33pm

      JZS: Name calling is mean, so I don’t do it. But you won’t make me cower by calling my accurate descriptors “name calling”. I demonstrated your logical fallacy, but you mis-read it (hence the poor reading skill accusation). I called you on your 1/100,000 figure showing how it made false assumptions and asked the wrong question, and is therefore disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. Then in your reply you avoid dealing with the fact that some characteristically Muslim ideas are dangerous. Instead you call names (calling me a name caller), and remind me that name calling is a way to avoid reasoned argument. It’s amazing how right you are even while projecting your own characteristics onto me, apparently unaware you’re doing so.
      Let me educate you on Scandinavia. They have such nanny states, and multiculti policies that there have been huge debates about Muslims there for a decade or more. They realize that they‘ve opened up citizen’s benefits to immigrants so much that resources for non-immigrants are getting slim. With Muslim birth rates, many fear nanny state benefits are becoming unsustainable.
      My BET (unconfirmed as yet) is that Breivik is anti-immigrant because he WANTS the nanny state to serve native Norwegians.
      This is a patently UNCONSERVATIVE idea, since conservatives oppose nanny states at all. We want individuals to take responsibility, and limit govt to the bare Constitutional minimum.
      Oh yeah, and we also don’t call for revolutions like leftists d

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    • Trying to Remain Calm
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 4:27pm

      This guy was insane and a murderer. But he also has a lot in common with the Sovereign Citizen, militia faction that refuses to recognize President Obama’s legitimacy and would resort to violence in defense of their views!

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    • Lucy Larue
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 6:12pm

      USAF2003,
      No…,he is NOT “just a nut job..,period’. He is Not!
      Get your learn on USAF! Get it the F#@%K on!
      History repeats. Go read some.

      The world is on fire! You know that Billy Joel song..,”We didn’t start the fire”?

      Well here we go again. Just as in WWII the Europeans have ignored the dangers. Just as in WWII they’re in quite a pickle! Just as in WWII they’re doing jack s@#%t about it!
      Europe has embraced Multiculturalism and Diversity. They have ignored all danger. They fall all over themselves with their polical correctness.The lie has become the truth. The truth has become the lie.

      Europe once again is awash in Vichy‘s and Chamberlain’s! We are overwhelmed by APPEASERS!
      Sadly….,their malaise has spread to the U.S.A.. Our own Government appeases!

      Here’s the problem. Europe has no Churchill. The United States has no Roosevelt nor Truman.
      Yes…,Breivik is a MONSTER! He is an INSANE MONSTER!
      He is no less insane, he is no less a monster, than others we have witnessed since September 11, 2001!

      We are engaged in WWIII! No one has the B@#Ls to declare it.

      Fasten your seatbelt USAF. It’s going to be a bumpy ride.WAKE UP!

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 8:16pm

      Hello again stretchedthin, I hope you didn’t spend much time composing that response. I’m still waiting to hear what “logical fallacy” you are referencing, unless it’s ad hominem. You suggested that I’m similar to this die hard conservative who murdered defenseless liberals because neither of us understand conservatism. Nice slam.

      In any case, let’s discuss your Islamaphobia. My 1/100,000% was a “Fermi estimate” based on people who commit terrorists acts and those who support them. The first step is to estimate how many actual terrorists have carried out attacks against the west. There are the guys in the planes on 9-11, OBL, KSM, Richard Reid, the guys who attacked Mumbai, the Ft. Hood shooter etc. I tried to estimate of people who were actually directly involved in those attacks (shooting guns, blowing up bombs etc) and got may 100. Maybe there are more, I don’t know. And for each of those terrorists, how many people actively supported, financed and abetted their acts. I guessed 100 per terrorist. So that’s my ballpark figure. I did it in my head, but that’s my figure.

      Let’s say you claim 1000 individuals who actually killed innoncent Westerners and that for each and every one of them, they had 1000 people materially supporting them, That’s a million Islamic terrorists out of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world: 0.067% of the Muslim population. And on that percentage you judge the entire Muslim population. That’s called “overgenerali

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    • Thewayiseeit
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 9:37pm

      You know what is really funny? How hard the Liberal Left in America is trying to equate the Oslo Attack by someone in “Their Right-Wing” to the American Republican Party, Tea Party, Conservatives etc. That shows an intent to deceive & misdirect blame for their own benefit. How pathetic! Next they will be blaming The Gang, Immigrant, Minority shootings on conservatives! Why can’t the Democrats act like politicians instead of Terrorist taking over a nation by force & not listening to the people of that nation unless it directly supports their cause. Their “Ends justify the means” is not doing anything but dividing America, making take over easier. What credible Political Party requires that much Lying, Deception & out & out criminal activity? The “Right-Wing” Republicans are most certainly not perfect, but they have this novel habit, some of them actually LISTENING to those who vote for them! Wonder why they are more popular & why the left has to falsify voting & polls to even come close! Oslo is what the Liberals intend for America, It would be their dream come true! Too bad guys, Conservatives value integrity & respect too much to give it to you!

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 10:36pm

      I repeat: JZS writes: If you won’t blame all Muslims for the actions of 1/100,000 of a percent of Muslims I won’t blame conservative like you on the actions of this guy.
      —
      Since you need it spoonfed:
      Fallacy#1: straw man: you claim we’re Islamophobic because we blame all Muslims for any terrorist act
      Truth #1: No one seriously blames all Muslims for terrorism, but we DO examine their beliefs and find they tend more to violence and support for terrorism.
      Backup: http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
      http://www.doubledutchpolitics.com/2010/12/shock-13-of-british-muslims-believe-killing-in-the-name-of-islam-is-justified/
      Neither the Pew nor Wikileaks naturally agree with conservatives on just about anything, so you can’t go after my sources for bias.
      Fallacy #2: guilt by association: you claim conservatives think like Breivik who wanted a crusade against Muslims
      Truth #2: we think they have bad ideas, and we fight them in the arena of ideas. But since we also believe first in freedom (especially of religion) conservatives don’t take up arms or try to enforce belief. Instead we persuade by reason, and beat them at the ballot-box.
      —
      I repeat again: you should admit that martyrdom, warfare for ideology, and terrorism simply aren’t debatable modes of expression like they are in the Muslim faith.
      Read carefully, constantly projecting conservato-phobe!
      p.s. Fermi’s estimates were EDUCATED.

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    • libertydoc
      Posted on July 25, 2011 at 1:05am

      And even scarier nuts on the far left, like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Wasserman-Shultz, Weiner, the (so called) Democratic Party, etc. Why is it the Russian gulags, The great leap foreward, and the killing fields are never discussed? If you need a hady bad guy for a move or book, pick the Nazis. go and read the Black Book of Communism and you will realize the Nazi death toll is a fraction of what has ben caused by the far left. Progressive communism/marxism/socialism is so great vas the bang the drum of looking out for the little guy. What B.S. All they do is steal private wealth, grow govt, and tell every lie they can to increase thier power and control over the masses.

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    • keep456ty
      Posted on July 25, 2011 at 11:58am

      Not according to “progressive” talk radio host David Sirota in Denver. He said this morning that most of these “terrorists” are right winged.

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    • rodertrudis
      Posted on July 25, 2011 at 12:25pm

      This is truly hilarious: Nazis were Socialists, therefore Nazi Germany was a left wing, communist state. This must be the stupidest thing ever written at the Blaze. If Germany was communist, why did it attack Communist Russia? If Germany was communist, why was it allied with Italy/Mussolini, a conservative fascist state?

      The fact is Anders Behring Breivik is a rightwing conservative. He admits as much in his manifesto: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017851/Norway-attacks-gunman-Anders-Behring-Breivik-right-wing-extremist-hated-Muslims.html.

      No matter how much the like minded conservatives and right wing extremists here try to deny their fellowship with Anders, the facts and history of comments here speak for themselves.

      I suggest you all grow a pair and just own up to what you believe: that Ander Behring Breivik is your hero and you only dream you had the guts to do what he did.

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 25, 2011 at 10:25pm

      Sorry stretchedReallyThin, I can’t reply to you. I’ve tried twice. I think I upset one of the editors here. Since my last post on this thread, I haven’t been able to post a thing.

      Of course, this is a privately owned website, so they have a right to post my comments or not. But I’d think if the editors were confident in their opinions, they wouldn’t worry much about “storied” liberal posters. Or posters who are “foisting” their opinions here. If they were secure in their opinions, they would have any worry about liberals posting. Their ideas would just get shot down with logic and intelligence right?

      To bad, I’ve never noticed your user name before, nor that of “watchtheotherhand” from a few months who also disappeared, as I suspect you will.

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    • yohannbiimu
      Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:16pm

      Ayn Rand was correct with regard to Fascism and Nazism. They are in their essence cut from the same cloth as Communism and Marxism. They all come from the same idea that men are to be formed and controlled by the state. They all desire to create a society that is a “collective,” rather than rational, thinking individuals. The only difference between Fascism and Communism is that the former’s focus is upon nationalist notions, while the latter’s is more universal in scope. However, if one actually examines the internal framework of a Nazi/Fascist state, and one that was Soviet/Marxist, there was practically no difference between them. Both systems were essentially neo-feudal serfdoms.

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  • Christian Kalgaard
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:45pm

    Jared Lee Loughner was a conservative for a few days first, before it was revealed that he was a Left-wing Satanist….!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:14pm

      The took that pile of skulls and all the other trappings of anti-Christian satanism down very quickly. There is the one picture. The left is in deep denial.

      Can you see any Christian leader sitting down with Loughner and say that Loughner is okay? That his worship of Satan is okay.

      If so, increase your medication

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:22pm

      TECH you can’t bring your anti semit views here to the Blaze
      you must really hate Jews to say that….

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:08pm

      @ techengineer11
      Loughner was a registered Independent. He was an atheist and a nihilist. Sounds left wing to me.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:17pm

      tower7femacamp: What the hell are you talking about? The freak was Jewish. Just a fact. Why is ok to point out that others are Muslim or Christian but if I want to point out that this guy was Jewish I’m anti-Semitic? The Jewish Media want tell you that but I will. If you go and research it and find out that it’s not true then come back and cuss me but until just accept a fact as a fact.

      While we are at it let‘s point out that the Columbine murderer’s and the freak which butchered up the little boy in NY the week before last was Jewish.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:12pm

      Tech I was making a joke…

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    • Ella
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:20pm

      where do you get your info? you are spreading lies. He was a christian. He was not Jewish. That is a lie. Let’s see you back that up with facts. Every publication and internet site including Wikepedia says he was a christian.

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 1:24am

      Tech @ I see Jew everywhere
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      TECH EVERYBODY IS A JEW TO YOU

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    • Christian Kalgaard
      Posted on July 25, 2011 at 4:52am

      you idiots try to open your thick heads:
      Jared Lee was MISREPRESENTED as a convervative by a prejudiced media for the first few days of the reportings – I’m comparing ABB to him.

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  • Ira WIlson
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:45pm

    Great work, Mr. Seidl! I can always count on you to put some perspective on an issue. Please keep it up!

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    • bestartist
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:15pm

      I agree.
      In the light of all this carnage, it seems irrelevant to label and pigeon hole this individual since the political views of either side do not endorse this kind of behaviour.
      The acts of this individual do not point to a rational mind that is in line with ANY socially acceptable ideology.

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  • 4X4in
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:45pm

    Not right or left wing………WINGNUT!

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  • olddog
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:44pm

    Lets See, the Weather Underground which BO’s mentor and neoghbor was a member attacked government buildings, were they right wing groups, NO.. As we look around the United States and the world, which group of people do we see as the most vile and violent? Yep you got it, the left…

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:15pm

      Exactly right Dog,
      Conservatives aren’t anti-govt. They’re anti-extra-constitutional govt. Of course there needs to be a govt. It just needs to be properly limited, that’s all.
      And then there‘s this business of how to change things if they’re going badly–like NOT by planning and executing the random slaughter of dozens of teenagers, but rather by persuading people to vote their way.
      Apparently that little nuance is lost on the MSM…

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  • concealled9mms
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:43pm

    So he belongs to the swedish nazi party that believes in attacks on government buildings , sounds like adolph obammas best friend bill ayers just saying

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    • Christian Kalgaard
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:46pm

      Jared Lee Loughner was a conservative for a few days first, before it was revealed that he was a Left-wing Satanist…!

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  • thecrow
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:41pm

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/this-is-next/

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:43pm

      good link Crow thanks

      But, of course, in the U.S., the nation’s most powerful political and financial factions — especially those who control the National Security State — are immune from meaningful scrutiny and investigation. As a result, President Obama — in what I think is one his most indefensible acts — actually threatened to veto the entire intelligence authorization bill if it included a proposed bipartisan amendment (passed by the House) that would have mandated an independent inquiry into the FBI’s anthrax investigation. Democratic Rep. Rush Holt, whose New Jersey district was the site where the letters were allegedly mailed and one of the bill’s sponsors, said at the time he was appalled that “an Administration that has pledged to be transparent and accountable would seek to block any review of the investigation in this matter.”

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:44pm

      there is nothing off limits

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:53pm

      A Dutch building demolition expert who went on record as saying he believed that World Trade Center building Seven was brought down in a controlled demolition, has been reported killed in a car accident.

      Bloggers in the Netherlands have reported that Danny Jowenko was killed instantly on Saturday when his car veered off the road and collided head on into a tree. The reports state that Jowenko’s dog was found alive in the car.

      Jowenko was said to have been driving home from church. It is not clear at this time what caused the car to leave the road, according to the reports.
      http://www.infowars.com/expert-who-concluded-wtc-7-was-a-controlled-demolition-killed-in-car-accident/

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  • cheeze is crust
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:40pm

    “Gott Mit Uns”
    Ya think?

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  • UlyssesP
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:40pm

    All these guys that go berserk with guns and bombs can’t be fit into a neat box. The only box they fit into is the guys that go berserk with guns and bombs box.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:47pm

      I have another neat box that they can fit into. It’s about six by two and made of pine.

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  • Bear
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:39pm

    Sounds like a nut job no matter how you slice it! I just wish the Media would stop jumping at the chance to name every gunman a ‘Right wing’ Radical…people all have mixed views….I am an Atheist that is Liberal on Social issues and Conservative on Fiscal issues….I want small Government and low taxes and Support our Military people….I also believe Pot should be legalized and Gays should have the right to some sort of union or Marriage….How would that be classified Media? He sounds like a Radical Socialist to me but…we will see!

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    • S_Malc13
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:03pm

      I admire your honesty.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:39pm

      And I’m a conservative Christian who believes pot should be legalized for over 18. I’m conservative socially and fiscally, but don’t mind gays having a civil union, just not marriage. I don’t even care if they make civil unions elegable for benefits.

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    • avbsoftworks
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:32pm

      I‘m a conservative who’s against prohibition, against the fed, against SS, against Medicare, against the IRS, for personal responsibility, the death penalty, don’t care what people do in the privacy of there lives, and if they would let me, I would opt out of all public benefits and all taxes that apply. I don’t have a problem with paying for the courts, military at the fed level. Everything else should be local.
      Left and Right labels don’t matter to me, all government is a level of corruption and we decide how much we will put up with to maintain social order, currently the level of corruption has reached epic and probably historic proportions, it can’t last much longer, the weight of it on the body politic is such that the necessity of reform is made manifest in the stink coming from Washington DC.

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    • SwoonCraft
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 5:09am

      Bear, with the exception of being atheist you just described me.

      Generally the Tea Party can be lumped into fiscally conservative with limited government but everything ells is wide open. You have the Michele Bachmann crowd on one side and the Ron Paul crowd on the other.

      This is something the Blaze need to examine in more detail. Could we please have a thread for: What flavor of tea are you?

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  • Searcher4Truth
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:39pm

    “And some of that information would seem to hint at a possible extreme leftist position, perhaps anarchism, would it not?”

    This doesn’t make sense. If anything, anarchism is extreme right in the American sense. Complete government control is the far left, and complete lack of government is the extreme right.

    Bottom line this madman is just that–crazy! Let all the information trickle in and then let’s make a judgment. The only judgment we can assign to him now is that he is an absolutely dangerous lunatic.

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:02pm

      Tech,

      you confuse jews with baha’i…

      smarten up buttercup…

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:41pm

      VanGrungy: I don’t understand what you are saying. Maybe you can speak in plain english?

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    • sWampy
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:44pm

      No, left is sane, right is insane, all nut jobs go to the right.

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:01pm

      you know.. that’s why you choose to not acknowledge..

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:39pm

    So why did he go after a bunch of non muslim looking kids then?

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    • concealled9mms
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:46pm

      Why did bill ayers blow up gov buildings hes just nuts

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    • BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:55pm

      My only guess, and this is a stretch, is because they were tolerant of Muslim immigration.

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    • snidley-whiplash
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:23pm

      Homework time kiddies,

      http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/21/labours-summer-camp-opens/
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Norway)

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    • looseyloo
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 11:51pm

      Gonzo, please. You want to know why he went after non-Muslim looking children? As if the workings of this guy’s mind are orderly and understandable?

      Left or right or neither, when the mind becomes ill or no longer functions well, people can apply all manner of nonsense– and irrational thoughts become rational to them. We don’t know exactly how this occurs, but we know that people do develop mental disorders. After they do these evil things, you will often hear their friends and co-workers say they are quite surprised. Or, maybe you will hear friends and co-workers say they thought the person had changed into someone they no longer recognized.

      But when do you ever hear friends and co-workers say, “Well, he was quite rational, very clear thinking and always saw both sides of every issue”?

      People lose it sometimes. They go nuts, for lack of a better term. Left or right doesn’t do it to them. Left or right just becomes their irrational conveyance to crazyville, but they no longer understand what left or right is. They’re just nuts.

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  • NYCPATRIOT
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:39pm

    This horror is eerily similar to the Oklahoma Bombing in ‘95.
    McVeigh and Nichols absolutely carried out the deed, however there is NO doubt that Middle Eastern terrorists were working behind the scenes.
    Jayna Davis, an investigative reporter, authored a comprehensive, detailed expose on the involvement of Middle East terrorists. The evidence she uncovered in ‘The Third Terrorist’ is alarming and stunning. The Clinton administration did a fine job of covering up this inconvenient bit of information. It was much more beneficial to have this act be carried out by a “right wing extremist”. We must continually look passed what is being reported and go in search for the truth. Does this appear as the work of a sole attacker? Where was he trained to make and execute an attack of this proportion? Just saying…

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:06pm

      http://www.infowars.com/expert-who-concluded-wtc-7-was-a-controlled-demolition-killed-in-car-accident/

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    • Deuteronomy22
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:08pm

      Tinfoil hat?

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:28pm

      tin foil must save the brain from making random and retarded comments

      I see NYCPATRIOT can put thoughts out there without calling names or
      insulting people, just some information that my brother
      may have missed, because the Media is totally controlled and has been
      since the JFK assassination.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:16pm

      Oklahoma City Bombing was the work of Middle Eastern Terrorists.

      Terry Niichols married Marife Torres. They would go to the Philippines often. He would also go to the Philippines by himself. Was it for sex or was it to meet Middle Eastern terrorists?

      If you are leftists, keep sticking your head in the sand like buddy boy Clinton.

      wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Nichols

      Encyclopedia of terrorism By Harvey W. Kushner p. 416

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    • flagkeeper
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:20pm

      Agreed.

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    • suncat
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:07pm

      Exactly what I was thinking! This whole thing wreaks of Islam via “help from their friends.” And now it is a quick play of smoke and mirrors with a heavy helping of cover-up and terminology meant to spin and confuse. Same as it ever was………………..

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  • concealled9mms
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:39pm

    Who cares what his beliefs are he killed innocent children just like obamma with his addiction to drone attacks our government is doing the same every day

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  • TruthDarts
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:39pm

    Thank you for this explanation of the difference in European extremism.

    Unfortunately…no matter his motivation…91 people (so far) are dead.
    This man has proved himself to be evil incarnate.

    He is a murderer…
    Nazi or whatever…
    he will remain a murderer…

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  • joe1234
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:38pm

    NAZIS ARE SOCIALISTS

    nazi = national SOCAILIST german wokers party…

    its a left-wing rewrite of history ala 1984 to suggest the nazis are ‘right wing’

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    • bmwrider
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:14pm

      Nazism was a Right wing ideology. This is an undeniable FACT.

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    • marybethelizabeth
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:18pm

      Nazis are socialists because they have socialist in their name as much as panda bears are bears because they have bears in their name.

      Maybe you believe as many here do that “peaceniks” are prone to violence, yet they have peace in their name.

      It is a mistake to adopt Mr. Beck’s explanations and ridiculous arguments. The man uses the movie Star Wars to explain political relationships.

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    • single stack
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:47pm

      “Nazism was a Right wing ideology. This is an undeniable FACT”.

      Labeling Nazism right wing was a propaganda coup for the left. The extreme left advocates totalitarian government. Its opposite is not totalitarian government run by a different gang of thugs. Its opposite is also not anarchy as that results in a situation where, instead of one all powerful gang of thugs, you have a bunch of petty gangs defending their turf and woe be unto anyone who dares to trespass. The opposite of totalitarianism is ordered liberty, which we have in the United States, and which the left is hell bent on destroying. Ordered liberty is the right wing ideology.

      “Nazis are socialists because they have socialist in their name as much as panda bears are bears because they have bears in their name.”

      That’s absurd. Pandas didn’t name themselves bears but Nazis did name themselves socialists. Fascism and Nazism have essentially the same ideology at their core. The main difference is that Nazis are more bloodthirsty. Hitler and Mussolini themselves declared that they were socialists. The policies they enacted when they were in power prove it. Look at the name of the movement-National Socialism; its adherents chose it for themselves. That’s a pretty good indication that their ideology is indeed socialist.

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    • sWampy
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:48pm

      Nazi’s were a bunch of gay socialists, that supported abortion and complete control by the government of every facet of everyday life, hardly makes them right wing, of course leave it to liberals to lie, rewrite history, and try to claim it’s irrefutable.

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    • marybethelizabeth
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 5:13pm

      It‘s frequently said by the right wing that the United States isn’t a democracy where the decision making rests in the people, ie. Communism, but a Republic.
      Communism is the left side of the political spectrum.
      The political spectrum moves to the right as power is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

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    • single stack
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:36pm

      “It‘s frequently said by the right wing that the United States isn’t a democracy where the decision making rests in the people, ie. Communism, but a Republic.
      Communism is the left side of the political spectrum.
      The political spectrum moves to the right as power is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.”

      Wow! To you reality is just an interesting concept isn’t it?
      Are you aware that totalitarianism and communism are synonymous?
      Oh, wait… I forgot about all those millions in the Soviet Union, China and North Korea that are deciding for themselves how to live. Oh,wait again… No I didn’t, since they were slaughtered by the millions by tyrants.

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 9:03pm

      Marybeth—
      By your definition Stalin, Mao, and Castro are right-wing….(nevermind that it’s completely unsupported by any empirical fact).

      Fact: Mussolini was a life-long socialist.

      Fact: Both Mussolini and Lenin were widely admired by American Progressives as representing kindred movements. One commentator even refferred to the “Russian-Italian method” of social reform.

      Fact: Both Fascism and Communism have their ideological origins in late 18th/early 19th-century socialist theory (which occured in reaction to the rise of individualism and capitalism that characterize the Enlightenment), and the French Revolution (whose aims grew out of the philosophy of J.-J. Rousseau as those of American Revolution grew out of the philosophy of John Locke).

      “It is obvious what the fraudulent issue of fascism versus communism accomplishes: it sets up, as opposites, two variants of the same political system; … it switches the choice of ‘Freedom or dictatorship?‘ into ’Which kind of dictatorship?’”
      —Ayn Rand

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    • Viet Vet
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 2:08am

      marybethelizabeth, completely wrong. Communism is ruled by an oligarchy. Democracy by a mob. Republicanism by elected representatives of the citizenry.

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  • chickenfried
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:37pm

    But the MSM wants him to be just like the “fly-over” people in America. That way they can justify their bias…

    The “right wing extremists” like me find his actions abhorrent. My guns are for defense, not offense. My Bible teaches me to love everyone, forgive my enemies, and work for peace among my fellow man while giving them insight into the Good News of Christ’s resurrection.

    Sorry, MSNBC, this fellow was a racist crackpot with hate in his heart…a Christian he most certainly was not.

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    • BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:59pm

      I concur Chickenfried.

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    • GiGi80
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 1:13am

      Norwegian law enforcement and press are reporting this, not MSNBC. It continues to amaze me how many people think the world just ends at the US borders.

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  • freedomweiner
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:37pm

    ‘Let me get this straight … We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t. Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it, but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s broke!

    What the Hell could possibly go wrong?’
    Donald Trump

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  • Jack2011
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:35pm

    I just heard news report this gunman was belonged to the Labor Union Party. If so – THAT – is hardly conservative.

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  • victoryblaze
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:35pm

    Maybe his ducks were not all in a row.

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  • Locked
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:33pm

    ” It certainly doesn’t reflect the views of a conservative Christian, as he claimed to be.”

    Oh come now. If this site can paint Muslims as terrorists, why do we make exceptions outside of it?

    The correct thing to say is he was INSANE. No sane person murders almost 100 people. All the background noise: his racist views, his proclaimed religion, his political ideology; they are all just justifications grasped at by a public that can’t accept that bad things will happen to innocent people and we can never prevent all of them from happening.

    This nut is as much a christian as OBL was a Muslim. What they share is a hatred fueled by ignorance and mental instability.

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    • BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:43pm

      “Oh come now. If this site can paint Muslims as terrorists, why do we make exceptions outside of it?”

      Its the Muslims that paint themselves as terrorists! Christians, in every instance denounce violence towards other faiths. Muslims do not. Christianity does not advocate violence, Islam does. You can not equate the two.

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    • uzi4u2
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 3:15pm

      think about it, yes it’s true that not all muslims are terrorist, so far all the terrorist have been muslim. Check your facts, islam teaches that if the infidel cannot be converted he must be killed. The media will pain t this assh%$e as a conservative NO MATTER WHAT comes out. The painted Timothy McVay as a religious nut even AFTER he confested to being an atheist. All this will do is give them another excuse for….more gun control….more survalence cameras….more wire taps….more….. It all ends the same way…more control over us, period, and that is the name of the game. Wether it’s Clinton, Bush or obummer, it’s the same means to the same end, control and one world government…but it’s for our own good ;)

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    • Locked
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 6:52pm

      What you’re saying is that this man was sane. IF he was sane, he thought of himself as:
      1. Christian
      2. Conservative
      I personally don’t believe this. Look at the reaction to the Obamasocialist policies on this site: if this was common, most of the users here would be up in arms. Know why we don’t? It’s not cowardice: it’s SANITY. This guy snapped. he was a nut, and he did an insane thing. Insane people need no reason – they make up their own. That’s why I say it;s ridiculous to ascribe his “reasons” to right-wing political views or his religion. He wasn’t sane.

      If you want to think he’s sane, well, I feel you’re delusional. But in that case, you need to answer some pointed questions: WHY does he thing this is right? WHY does he feel he’s a Christian? And WHY does he feel this is a proper conservative response?

      The answers may not be what you like – that instability + political causation = terrorism. I opine that he was insane, and insanity needs no logical reason.

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    • theimhoffs1
      Posted on July 24, 2011 at 9:10pm

      obl was by Quran standards “a true Muslim”

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  • Buttercup
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:33pm

    Maybe he set up his facebook and twitter accounts (on July 17, no less) to throw people off the true track of his associations.

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    • GiGi80
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 10:44pm

      Or just maybe, as Facebook management contends, he set up the latest page to replace the one that hate been taken down by FB because of repeated posts that were deemed hate speech. Naaah — that sounds too rational. Let’s go with the tin-foil hat conspiracy theory.

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  • LadyIzShy
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:33pm

    I had wondered if the extreme right wing thing was “made up ” by the media.. knowing what I know about the media I want PROOF

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  • Ducky 1
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:31pm

    As long as the MSM has control of this story will we ever know the truth??

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  • twinelm
    Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:31pm

    Something about this is too convenient.

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    • Jack2011
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:38pm

      Just like the Gifford shooter was an extreme right member when he was liberal mostly and mentally insane which even his college and parents knew.

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    • TheKaineJack
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:45pm

      I am in agreement with you, something is just not right about this.. Someone is setting a narrative.. Anyone trying to further any cause, knows shooting children will turn the world against them.. Something is not right here… This was a well planned and executed plan, now they are trying to set up a lone gunman theory.. Who financed it, and why children? They knew what the impact would be…

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    • johnsell
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:58pm

      The one thing we do know is that he’s a cold blooded murder!

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:07pm

      TheKaineJack: I pointed out in another story that the upper echelon of the Norwegian Gov’t was outwardly advocating anti Israel bias even to the point of boycotts! Couple that with the Mossad’s motto of “By way of deception thou shall make War!”
      Something’s not right about the story. Far too convenient for the establishment who desperately desires to snuff out freedoms and liberties in America!

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    • hamanns
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 4:57pm

      Of course, it is easy to make it convenient. Pamela Geller has a 2 screenshots on her Atlas page.
      One is Facebook page of this killer before and second one is “altered” after story broke. Someone has added conservative christian in his profile. Make your own conclusion.

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    • OSG
      Posted on July 23, 2011 at 8:05pm

      Convenient? Maybe.

      Definitely nuts. A “Nationalist” killing other blue-eyed blonde natives. Why not Muslims?

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