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Is the Pledge of Allegiance ‘Divisive?’ Some Politicians in Oregon Think So

How could something that includes the words ‘pledge of allegiance to the flag of the UNITED States’ be considered divisive? Believe it or not, the mayor and city council of Eugene, Oregon just voted on this very issue.  (It should also be noted that the city of Eugene, Oregon is a member of ICLEI, part of the UN’s Agenda 21 Program.)

Long before NBC Sports edited the Pledge of Allegiance, the city of Eugene, Oregon was busy debating if their City Council should recite it before each bi-monthly meeting. At the June 7th meeting of the council, a proposal was floated by Councilor Mike Clark, suggesting that every bi-monthly meeting start with a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. The Columbian reports that Mayor Kitty Piercy (a lead sponsor of Code Pink’s latest Anti-War Resolution) and others did not agree with this idea, suggesting that reciting the pledge might be “divisive.”

Judging from the letters-to-the-editor posted in the local paper, residents of Eugene responded to the debate from just about every angle one might imagine. We offer an example from both sides:

Pledge language debate is debasing

As a veteran and an American it shocks me that there is even a debate about reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. It is unpatriotic and debasing that our values have slipped so much that people cannot say and confirm their allegiance to their country. Fine. Don’t say “under God” if that offends you.

And if you are offended by our flag and country, please find someplace else to live. If politicians feel they need to debate it, we need new politicians. Freedom requires sacrifice from everyone.

MIKE FLINT

Requiring pledge would be divisive

Eugene City Councilor Mike Clark’s desire to force all people, through their representatives on the council, to swear to the Pledge of Allegiance spurred me to research the pledge itself.

Justice Robert Jackson, in a 1943 U.S. Supreme Court decision, wrote for the majority: “If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.” With that 6-3 decision, the court said no one can be forced to recite the pledge.

Is the Pledge of Allegiance Divisive? Some Politicians in Oregon Think So

Mayor Piercy, friendly with the Duck, ambivalent on the Pledge

I see God as a concept was invented by men, and I defy Clark to draw a circle and define who belongs inside and who is outside the circle without showing the arrogance of the majority fundamentalist religions and their ignorance of the needs of those who are secular. If the word “God” is meaningless and divisive, then why pledge to it? It will serve only to divide our community more.

If reciting the pledge at City Council meetings becomes an “official” activity, then I ask that my representative on the council, Andrea Ortiz, not stand and salute as a way to keep faith with those of a secular persuasion in her ward.

Hugh Massengill

A compromise proposal was pitched, offering the pledge to be recited four times a year, at meetings that happen closest to national holidays (July 4th, Labor Day, etc.)  That proposal passed last night by a vote of 6-2. One of the dissenting votes came from City Councilor George Brown who reportedly told Mr. Clark that he should “say the pledge at home or with friends.”

When asked to comment on the issue and her statement that reciting the pledge before meetings might be “divisive,” Mayor Piercy told The Blaze:

The Eugene City Council has not historically had the pledge as part of its agenda. At the request of one of our councilors who has served in the Air Force, this council decided to not make the pledge routine but to reserve it for special days of national recognition such as Flag Day, Veterans Day, Memorial Day and the 4th of July.

In any case the entire council believes this country is based on the freedom to speak or to be silent, to pledge or not to pledge.

Fox News crews from a local affiliate in Seattle were at the meeting and reports are now reaching the network level:

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  • 264win
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:32pm

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    Ann Coulter
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    Feel Free To Add To The List “Things Liberals

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    • hi
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:52pm

      Cows foofing because it “causes” global warming.
      People because they “cause” global warming.
      lots of children..because they “destroy” the environment.
      normal light bulbs that do not poison people
      air conditioning because it “causes” global warming
      refrigerators because they “cause” global warming
      green lawns because it uses too much water
      breathing because CO2 is a poison
      skiing because it ‘destroys’ the mountains
      personal responsibility
      hard work
      merit
      charity because it is not enough and the poor have a right to take it from the “haves”
      love because God is Love and they hate God

      I think I could go on all day! To sum it up they hate good and love evil.

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    • UpstateNYConservative
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:09pm

      Sheesh! You could have saved all that typing and simply said liberals hate anything that offends them, which changes with the wind and probably more often than they change their socks and underwear. (note Haight-Ashbury) *LOL* And, many of them seem to sit around just waiting to be offended.

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    • Lone Wolf
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:48pm

      Glenn Beck
      Sean Hannity
      Anyone who doesn‘t have to rely on gov’t for everything
      Capitalism

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    • usmc1063
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:33pm

      You hit it right on the head.

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    • blackeyerat
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 8:41pm

      i like the list

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    • Paul_ Revere
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:35am

      you forgot Racism

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  • Fight for America
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:31pm

    If you don’t like it here – get out. Go somewhere the freedoms don’t exist.

    Maybe there is something goofy in the earth and water on the west coast.

    They want it all AND want to destroy what’s good about our country.

    Trust me, North Korea is no picnic.

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  • LittleMac
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:31pm

    The strange downside of freedom is that people have the freedom to be idiots.

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  • Alvin691
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:27pm

    Leftist + Athiests = ?

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    • USAMEDIC3008
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 8:18pm

      Answer

      SOUTHSIDELIB…

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:57am

      Medic- you mean someone who makes logical arguments… if you disagree with me thats fine, make a logical argument and I will address it.

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:27pm

    Why do atheists need to force their un-beliefs on other people? We believers do not force our beliefs on atheists. At least most of us. We aren’t forcing anyone to say the word “God.” We tell them to just not say it. Whether you beleieve or not, it is not your right to force that un-belief on me. Remember the 1st amendment? It applies both ways.

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  • Ghandi was a Republican
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:26pm

    Of course it’s divisive! ! The progs do not like it and General soreass cannot stand it.. This much is clear~

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  • OneofMany
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:25pm

    To be elected to ANY Public Office ANYWHERE in the United States of America, you should be required to 1., Take a test on the Constitution of The United States of America and pass with at least a 75% score or better and your score should be made public before voting.

    God is as much a part of America as the Bill Of Rights. Go study your Constitution…. More Useful Idiots. (useful to Soros that is)

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:32pm

      ONEOFMANY- G-d is not part of America. The founders made it very clear that there should be a separation between the two. Also, many of the founders were not christians, so if they did want religion to be part of public life it is unlikely that they would be writing about the same religion that you are. Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. If the US wants to claim religious freedom then any and all religion must be removed from government and politics.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:39pm

      @SouthSideLib
      You aren’t practicing religion whilst reciting the pledge, you are pledging allegiance to America. No one is forcing you to say the word “God.” Just don’t say it, unless you have a problem pledging your allegiance to this country…………..

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    • Capitalist Mama
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:19pm

      I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:02pm

      Library Of Congress

      Religion And The Founding Of The American Republic

      This exhibition demonstrates that many of the colonies that in 1776 became the United States of America were settled by men and women of deep religious convictions who in the seventeenth century crossed the Atlantic Ocean to practice their faith freely. That the religious intensity of the original settlers would diminish to some extent over time was perhaps to be expected, but new waves of eighteenth century immigrants brought their own religious fervor across the Atlantic and the nation’s first major religious revival in the middle of the eighteenth century injected new vigor into American religion. The result was that a religious people rose in rebellion against Great Britain in 1776, and that most American statesmen, when they began to form new governments at the state and national levels, shared the convictions of most of their constituents that religion was, to quote Alexis de Tocqueville’s observation, indispensable to the maintenance of republican institutions. The efforts of the Founders of the American nation to define the role of religious faith in public life and the degree to which it could be supported by public officials that was not inconsistent with the revolutionary imperatives of the equality and freedom of all citizens is the central question which this exhibition explores.

      http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/

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    • CCS
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:13pm

      You are wrong, Lib. The founders made sure that we would have freedom OF religion and that government did not interfere with the free exercise thereof. They wisely prevented the State from ever becoming or controlling the church as it had in England . The clear intent was to PROTECT religion from the State not the other way around.

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    • dontbotherme
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:21pm

      Southsidelib: You do not know the truth about our Founding Fathers, or you are just plain lying. Capitalist Mama: Amen.

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    • orkydorky
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:38pm

      @ SouthSideLib

      The constitution does NOT REQUIRE the separation of church and state, it requires that the state not adopt one religion over another, and you have a very misconception that our founders were not religious.
      You really need to read history and the constitution!

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    • EP46
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:17pm

      @Southside……….please educate us and FIND ANYWHERE that the Founders or the Constitution states a ‘separation of church and state’. The Founders established a ‘freedom OF religion” meaning the Nation would NOT have a ‘national religion“ such as England had in the ”Church of England” forcing all to have ONE RELIGION…..the same as Islamic terrorists want to force all people to belong to the Muslim religion or die by the sword. “Separation of church and state” is a progressive, evil lie enacted to destroy religion.

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    • Banter
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:29pm

      @southsidelib
      –ONEOFMANY- G-d is not part of America….

      Please read the 5000 Year Leap. It describes the 28 major principles behind the creation of this great nation. For example: 5th principle – All things were created by GOD, therefore upon Him all mankind are equally dependent, and to Him they are equally responsible.

      And the one all socialists get wrong – 7th principle – The proper role of government is to protect equal rights, not provide equal things.

      Palin 2012

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:33pm

      Sorry for the double post, I posted it to the wrong comment
      ORKEY- You are incorrect, the founders explicitly meant the two to be separate. Jefferson spoke about a wall of separation between the two. This doctrine was upheld by Justice Black in Everson Vs. Board of Education (1947) “Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws that aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion to another”
      http://www.teachingaboutreligion.com/Freethought/wall_of_separation.htm

      Dudly- You are incorrect, the US was not founded as a christian nation, as ratified by the Senate in the Treaty of Tripoli in June, 1797 (less than 10 years after the ratification of the constitution)

      “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,4 – as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen” (Article XI)
      http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

      ANON- While a person can omit the phrase “under g-d,” its inclusion in the pledge is a violation of the establish clause. That is a fine solution for individuals but it does not solve the broad problem.

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 8:02pm

      EP- Here you go:

      Jefferson:
      I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.(1802) (while president)

      I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another (1799)

      Madison (Who wrote the Constitution):

      Here [in the Virginia statute for religious liberty] the separation between the authority of human laws, and the natural rights of Man excepted from the grant on which all authority is founded, is traced as distinctly as words can admit, and the limits to this authority established with as much solemnity as the forms of legislation can express

      Adams:
      The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history (1787)

      Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery (1787)

      Thomas Paine:
      As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of government to protect all conscientious protesters thereof

      I have plenty more if you want th

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    • hgaut
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:52am

      @ southside lib. wow you gotta study your history a little better.

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:13am

      HGAUT- Exactly what do I need to study, those are direct quotes from the founding fathers. Those come from their writings. If you want to make a decent argument answer with facts or quotes or something other than a vague, unqualified “you’re wrong.”

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  • FlowerBell
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:24pm

    I am ashamed of my fellow Oregonians. The council in Eugene is Anti-American. If it divides them emotionally and patriotically to say the pledge of allegiance then some of them need to be removed as Anti-American agitators. This is an outrage and an insult to all good Oregonians and Americans alike.
    Shame on you Eugene, shame on you.

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  • SouthSideLib
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:23pm

    I don’t see why anybody feels the pledge is necessary. Either a person has allegiance or they don’t, no pledge is going to change that. I, personally, remember feeling very uncomfortable with the pledge in school and still do to this day. What is the point of a forced statement of allegiance? If it is important to you then by all means say it for yourself whenever you want.

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    • hi
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:44pm

      The pledge didn’t mean that much to me either until 2008. I am now a true patriot and don’t want to lose our freedom.

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:14pm

      In what way will not saying the pledge make us lose freedom? Also, I didn‘t say that it just doesn’t mean much to me. I dislike the pledge and think it should be removed from schools and other public events.

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    • Capitalist Mama
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:14pm

      The point of a pledge of allegiance is literally standing for your beliefs. You pledge to show others what you believe in without fear or hesitation.

      A pledge should not be forced, but as an American, you should *want* show your patriotism to our nation because of your pride in all that America has accomplished and what we can do in the future.

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:32pm

      If it’s a voluntary thing then why does it need to be public. Especially at the point in which the pledge has religious affiliation, it creates a correlation between religion and patriotism, that has no business in the public square.

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    • orkydorky
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:22pm

      I think it should be the duty of every politician to make the pledge to the nation that he supposedly represents, for the people he supposedly represents, and recognize the influence that God played in the creation of this nation!

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:27pm

      ORKEY- 1st politicians do pledge their support, saying some pre-packaged phrases wont change anything. 2nd- The “under g-d” phrase is absolutely the practicing of religion. It supposes the existence of g-d which is inherently religious.

      ORKEY- You are incorrect, the founders explicitly meant the two to be separate. Jefferson spoke about a wall of separation between the two. This doctrine was upheld by Justice Black in Everson Vs. Board of Education (1947) “Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws that aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion to another”
      http://www.teachingaboutreligion.com/Freethought/wall_of_separation.htm

      Dudly- You are incorrect, the US was not founded as a christian nation, as ratified by the Senate in the Treaty of Tripoli in June, 1797 (less than 10 years after the ratification of the constitution)

      “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,4 – as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen” (Article XI)
      http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

      ANON- While a person can omit the phrase “under g-d,” its inclusion in the pledge is a violation of the establish clause. That is a fine solution for individuals but it does not solve the broad problem.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:04am

      Well geez-Southsidelib– I guess we ought just eliminate the Pledge of Allegiance, the National Motto, the declaration on our money “In God we trust” , the National Anthem -Star spangled Banner, the US Flag–Shoot lets just eliminate all symbols and that way nobody can feel uncomfortable. But hey thid is America and you got a right to be as knuckleheaded as you wannabe. If the Pledge is not needed then nothing is. Why even your President Barry Soetoro doesn’t like our US Constitution, the Pledge of Allegiance, our Flag, Or anything about America prior to the introduction of the Wellfare State.

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    • RebelSon
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:20am

      Sometimes we need to say it so we remember what’s important. Actually speaking the words isn’t as important as the refusal to do so. Think of it as the wedding vow you say to your country. If you don’t love your country enough to say so, then why should your country want you to be here? Too many people believe they just woke up here one day, figured it was as good a place as any to hang out for the rest of their lives but don’t see the responsibility that comes with that. Spiritually invest in this country and work to make it better. If you‘re ashamed to say you love it and that you’ll stand by it, then you don’t belong here.

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:09am

      Stony- Yes I think we should eliminate the pledge and the phrase “in g-d we trust” I have no problem with the flag or anthem but nice try at building a straw man. The argument isn’t that it makes people uncomfortable, my argument is that it is unconstitutional.

      Rebel- That’s a really compelling argument, makes a lot of sense. Would you agree though that it is not necessary to have religious phrasing? Do you think people would have a problem with returning to the original language of the pledge that did not have the phrase “under g-d?”

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  • regressive_democrat
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:22pm

    The worship Lucifer and desire his vision of one world government.

    Hell on Earth.

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    • citizen b
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:01pm

      don’t forget about the moon. lucifer wants to rule the moon too. he’s gotta be stopped.

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    • chips1
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:24am

      BO is lucifer so go ahead and moon him.

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  • ollie42
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:21pm

    How long will you idiots on the left coast continue to put up with this BS. If you don‘t like the US just go anywhere you think it’s better, (GOOD LUCK). I am getting so tired of reading this kind of stuff from that part of the world. How did the people out there get this way? The big earthquake can’t come too soon to suit me. I can’t think of enough adjectives to describe how low you people are!!!

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    • wordweaver
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:00pm

      Ollie, people live where they do for many reasons. To conclude that we are all idiots or liberals or vegetarians or pot smokers or whatever just because all of the left coast states are colored blue on the map is pretty silly. Every state has its share of kooks, including mine (just north of Oregon). But every state also has its share of God-fearin’ patriots who are doing our best to turn the color of our state from blue to red. You can make fun of Oregon if you must, but we in Washington sort of considered that our job :-)

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    • ollie42
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:16pm

      @WordWeaver:
      I have visited the left coast many times & have found the people I met,(obviously not the idiots), to be friendly & helpful. Apparently there are not enough sensible folks to get rid of these kooks. I do not consider all the people to be idiots just the ones that keep voting for these anti-American, left wing nuts. I will say one thing that I feel sorry about, I will never set foot in California again, to bad a beautiful place, as is Washington.

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  • felix
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:21pm

    all of them are traiters and communists – no other explaination !

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  • Justus39
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:20pm

    The Pledge is not nearly divisive as politicians;liberals and immigrants that want to change America.

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  • Pattondog
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:19pm

    should we start singing the mexican anthem perhaps thats more accomodating.
    come on if you cant handle patrioitism perhaps you need to check your own constitution and leave.

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  • blackdanger10
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:19pm

    Types of decisions like this is was one of the major reasons I left Oregon. Too bad liberals have destroyed the Oregon government. It’s such a beautiful place.

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    • Banshee34
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:47pm

      Just to clarify though… the kooks in Oregon, well… they all live in either Eugene, Ashland or Portland. Trust me on this! Thank goodness I don’t live in any of those places.

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  • jim
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:18pm

    One more reason not to go to Oregon.

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    • Wino911
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:34pm

      We are not all kooks, just the old hippies who moved up from California are. Oregon is a beautiful & plentiful state.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:56am

      Agree in party– I do hear the Militia Movement is going guns up there.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:18pm

    The flower children of the 1960‘s didn’t age well.

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:27pm

      I think this one was in the movie “Grownups”..as Rob Schneider’s wife.

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  • Drives Like Jehu
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:17pm

    ♫♫Where has orey-gone boys, where has orey-gone?♫♫
    TO THE DARK SIDE.

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  • wordweaver
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:14pm

    I guess it is safe to say they don’t start their meetings with an invocation, either.

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  • I.Gaspar
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:14pm

    Ever notice how these losers have a “special look”?
    You could spot this one from a mile away.

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  • sooner12
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:13pm

    What have we become?

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  • Banshee34
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:12pm

    I am truly embarrassed to be an Oregonian.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:23pm

      We have room in Texas for you.

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    • Wino911
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:30pm

      Same here! I live on the coast and thought it was the salt air that made people nuts.
      Apparently it’s state wide…..

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    • ICEDRAGONNITE
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:51pm

      IAM NOT EMBARRASED IAM PI**ED. I LIVE HERE AND HAVE HAD TO PUT UP WITH THE GARBAGE OUT OF PORTLAND, NOW EUGENE. WHEN I HAD A BUSINESS IN EUGENE THE PEOPLE WERE CENTER RIGHT, so i have to say this is a small cadre of lefty loons, trying to play elitist, AND FAILING BADLY. WAIT UNTIL THE PEOPLE OF EUGENE HEAR ABOUT THIS DEBAUCHERY OF THE AMERICAN PLEDGE, AND ALL THE MILITARY, AND MILITARY FAIMLIES, VETS THAT LIVE HERE AND HAVE PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE. They better not look up or they might see the rock that is going to hit them on the head. AN INNER TUBE WOULD NOT CUT IT BUT AND ARC MIGHT.

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    • orkydorky
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:59pm

      This native Oregonian is very near to going on the warpath!

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    • republapig
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:24pm

      My kids moved to Eugene from Santa Cruz, CA. Wow what culture shock! Both are “college towns”, the only thing my kids learned in college was to hate our country and G.W. Bush. The traitorous commie college profs are behind all this anti God & country crap. They should be hung.

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    • dealer@678
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:27pm

      Looks like the ******* zombies are leaving California and headed north

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    • TennMom4
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 9:44pm

      Oregon is insane and a tough place to live, yes. It also has more natural beauty than any other state, but it is populated with anti intellectual morons. I‘m a native Oregonian and I’ve seen it my whole life. I enjoyed 8 wonderful years living in Tennessee, then returned here for family reasons. It’s beautiful….but though to live in!

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    • JJ Coolay
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:06am

      We’re going to reach a breaking point sooner or later where this country will be facing another civil war. The divide in this country continues to grow wider and wider.

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  • VISITORNUMBER3
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:11pm

    Subversive: Adjective: Seeking or intended to subvert an established system or institution.

    An allegiance to a Nation, one Nation under God can’t be defined as subversive. The unpatriotic drivel spewed out by this so-called city council is subversive and smells way too treasonous for my tastes.

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    • VISITORNUMBER3
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:17pm

      Furthermore, what established system or institution does the Pledge of Allegiance seek or intend to subvert? Tyranny? Anarchy?

      This is insane. How much more of this junk are we going to put up with? The people of Eugene should warm the tar and gather the feathers now and take back their city council and mayorship. The clowns are running the circus !!!

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    • better red than dead
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:14pm

      Well, the pledge WAS written by a socialist.

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    • its_time_to_arrest_our_government
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:21pm

      yep treason is the word id use!

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  • frustratedwithgovt
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:10pm

    Feel free to move to another country if you don’t want to support this one. I live on the Left Coast and this attitude drives me crazy. Either you support your country and are willing to pledge your allegiance to it or you don’t. If you don’t then move to another one.

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    • 13thGenerationAmerican
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:16pm

      The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898). Bellamy “viewed his Pledge as an ‘inoculation’ that would protect immigrants and native-born but insufficiently patriotic Americans from the ‘virus’ of radicalism and subversion. The original “Pledge of Allegiance” was published in the September 8 issue of the popular children‘s magazine The Youth’s Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’s arrival in the Americas. The event was conceived and promoted by James B. Upham, a marketer for the magazine, as a campaign to instill the idea of American nationalism by selling flags to public schools and magazines to students.

      Bellamy’s original Pledge read as follows

      I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

      The Pledge was supposed to be quick and to the point. Bellamy designed it to be recited in 15 seconds. As a socialist, he had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity but decided against it – knowing that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:18pm

      Dan Foster still thinks you are a loon.

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    • alshightech
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:55am

      Everyone should tell this witch that she is not welcome in our America. She is too ugly to face herself and want to hurt the people that love their country. Should be eradicated.

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  • I.Gaspar
    Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:10pm

    When is that big tidal wave supposed to hit Oregon?
    It can’t be too soon.

     
    • Banshee34
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:14pm

      Hey now, I live here.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:17pm

      Actually while America Patriots are Pledging Allegiance, you turds can stand in the back of the room , picking your noses.

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    • Shasta
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:17pm

      Sheesh. So if Oregon has one progressive loon, or lots of them, then the entire state be damned. Come on.

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    • SacredHonor1776
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:19pm

      The only ones being decisive are the progressive politicians and liberals.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:19pm

      No title wave to Oregon, just a major sized house cleaning to get rid of the progressives and socialist followers of the UN and their Agenda 21. This is one more part of the grassroots/local govt level moves they are using to slowly dismember the nation from our freedoms and our heritage. Remember what has been said, if they cannot do it at the Federal level, or the state, they will do it by the county and by the town until all comes undone.

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    • ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:23pm

      Man! Oregon sounds pretty damn cool.

      Thank god. The Pledge goes against the spirit of freedom. It’s unAmerican!

      Wait until this nation is a place that everyone gets healthcare and has the option of going to college … then I might let my kids say the Pledge of Allegiance.

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:25pm

      Banshee,
      I’d suggest you pick up an inner tube.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:29pm

      If they do not wish to recite the pledge, perhaps they should move about 150 miles due west, where it is not required.

      If you’ve ever been to Oregon, you would know this is NOT unusual.

      My observation of Oregon, from past visits, is that they tend to afford each other a great deal of privacy.

      This is a double edged sword, however.

      As a result of near-total anonymity, the wackos are free to ‘hide’ in plain sight in Oregon – tin foil hat and all.

      Maybe they need to ask a FEW more questions before electing officials there. CLEARLY they have not done so in the past. “oh, she’s a nice person, I’ll vote for her.“ ”oh, he’s on tv a lot, I’ll vote for him“ ”oh, his family owns the local grocery, I’ll vote for him“ ”oh, she eats at the same diner I do, I’ll vote for her” THAT is the level of inquiry or examination that seems to have gone into vetting their candidates – at least in that town, it would appear.

      Unless, the entire town wears tin-foil hats, and they KNEW what their council was like, but didn’t care or, they even endorsed it.

      Bless her heart.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:32pm

      “Thank god. The Pledge goes against the spirit of freedom.”
      Which god do you worship? Baal, Set, Crom? Why not just substitute that god into your pledge, or leave it out altogether? You are mainly pledging your allegiance to America.

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    • BIGJAYINPA
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:33pm

      I think it is time to start removing stars from the flag. California and Massachusitts(how do you spell that stupid state’s name?) left a long time ago. Oregon and New York are lining up to be next off. I say we split it down the middle and give each side 25 states. The Lib/progs can go their own way and they rest of us can be left in peace without having to put up with their whining, pandering and give-away mentality. What say…any takers??…Just sayin’

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    • capecodsully
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:35pm

      ZOMBIE, every one in America has access to health care and higher education. What you mean to say is, when someone else pays for your education and healthcare.

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    • CatB
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:41pm

      The only thing “devisive” are the progressives who want a one world government. We the People are not divided … not the real Patriots. The Pledge, the Flag .. The Country .. are GOOD!

      TEA!

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    • ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:47pm

      Wow. That is a good question, ANONYMOUS.

      Well, if limited to the Hyborian gods, I would probably go with Ishtar, or as she is more commonly know, Shub-Niggurath.

      Good question.

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    • momprayn
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:50pm

      Looks like the left is now using the word “divisive” to promote their agenda….think they’ve moved on from “racist” since that got very old and so disproven. I just read another lefty use it re having Christian stuff in public. Agree with those that say no, it’s the left, Obama & crew who have caused the most devisiveness, anger, frustration, fear I’ve ever seen this country!

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    • Patrick in AZ
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:53pm

      What is divisive is left-wing commie pinko b****** like the “Mayor”

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    • Sound The Trumpet In Zion
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:04pm

      What is divisive is satan and all the goons that he has working for him like this mayor and others on the city council as well as satan’s head goon in charge of the WH and all the goons working for him in the WH and other governmental agencies and in the unions.

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    • Rogue
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:14pm

      Yet I’m sure the council has no problems with taking their long weekends off for 4th of July, Memorial Day, and even Christmas.

      These people see themselves as Americans LAST, not first, and that is what is truly divisive. The one thing that we all have in common is the place progressives strike first.. divide and (try to) conquer.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:35pm

      The Pledge is ONLY divisive if you Let It Be!

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:38pm

      Find her, surround her house, and chant the Pledge of Allegiance until she goes nuts or leaves town.

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:41pm

      Oh, look, zombie has been invited back this week! Guess his sarcastic sense of humor was a hit with somebody. Don’t forget to tip your servers.

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    • Flagwaver
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:43pm

      Thank goodness I live in Portland… wait, it isn’t much better here.

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    • NC1
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:45pm

      If these people don’t want to be a part of a free country and declare they are dedicated to living free the they need to leave. You have the freedom to leave, please excercise that freedom and get out of here. Seriously, we’re really tired of Americans hating the country they live in. Get out. You really don‘t know how good you’ve got it here.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:52pm

      I knew it was either Portland or Eugene…we on the southside of Oregon find no fault with the Pledge of Allegiance…Definetly agree with Snowleopard…Oregon needs a house-cleaning…problem is that they outnumber us in our bigger cities..one more thing…Thank God ZOMBIE doesn’t live here, we have enough “loonies” here…

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    • Bernard
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 5:52pm

      its not
      Oregon’s fault they have been Cali-fornicated – I suggest Oregonians invite them to leave

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    • WeDontNeedNoStinkingBadges
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:02pm

      Q: “Is the Pledge of Allegiance ‘Divisive?’”

      A: Yes. It divides the patriots for Liberty from the traitors for tyranny.

      Next?

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    • jhaydeng
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:16pm

      It’s amazing how in the past two years everything patriotic has mysteriously become devisive and pragmatic! When is give a left wing wacko a wedgie day?

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    • nomorpc4me
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:16pm

      Is the pledge of allegiance devisive? Only if you are trying to tear down the constitution and all the principles and values it was founded on.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:37pm

      No it’s not divisive. There just appears to be to many morons in Oregon.

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    • the hawk
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:40pm

      Jesus would not of said the Pledge of Allegiance ! But he was’nt American !

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    • Sam Brown
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:42pm

      Eugene has allways been a liberal progressive town full of socialist and drug addicts. Not a place you would want to raise a family or send your kid to college. Just a bunch of drug crazed socialist. They are so screwed up on drugs they can’t remember the words so they did away with the pledge. They are a godless buch there too

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    • FormerLib
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:49pm

      This sucks. The America I grew up in, the one that became the greatest, most prosperous and most generous nation on earth is dead, immolating itself on the pyre of multi-cultural political correctness. Sorry folks, but if this is even being discussed, if this is really where we are, we’re finished.

      This is what happens when a great nation lets it’s institutions be taken over by leftists, statists and progressives.

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    • Sam Brown
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:49pm

      Most people who live in Oregun are transplants from California. They ruin their state then come up here and ruin ours when they can’t live in theirs. They have few places left to go.

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    • orkydorky
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 6:58pm

      @ ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME

      Oregon is pretty damned cool, or should I say was, until idiots like you came here!

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    • docmd
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:19pm

      Come on Did GOD come up with man or man come up wih GOD ????????? LOVE IT OR LIVE IT !!!!!!!!!

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    • LastAmerican
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:37pm

      Well zombie if Conan were here he would devide your skull to the teeth. Even he had code of honor which you lack. Speaking of LACT where is he/she? Vacation?

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:49pm

      Arnold is a Nazi.

      Conan is fiction.

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    • Av8tor056
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:52pm

      Oregon? Isn’t it called Northern California now?

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    • chazman
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:58pm

      As American‘s and Patriot’s, we need to work harder to keep Liberal Marxist’s from positions of authority. Unfortunately, Liberals have forgotten what it means to be American, instead, Liberals do everything they can to get as far away from American ideals as they can. This will lead to their demise.

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    • Marengo Ohio Patriot
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 7:59pm

      If you refuse to pledge to the Flag, fine, but, you are not entitled to ANYTHING to that which it represents!!!

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    • frodis
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 8:11pm

      ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME, health care is NOT A RIGHT! It is a privilege. Option of going to college? Good parenting and straight A’s and your gonna go to college. But no, the government isn’t spending enough money on getting every kid a laptop so they are failing. That‘s your theory I’m sure. Books, pencils and paper won’t work anymore right? Please give to ZOMBIEMAN! He is owed for his presence.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 8:23pm

      I agree with you. The Pledge is for “Americans” in heart and spirit. And THAT is where the divide begins. Without assimilation and with the rapid advancement of communism (the religion of government… of which Oregon is a leading practitioner) we are seeing philosophies diametrically opposed to those of the founders and our national construct cannibalizing our nation, right before our eyes. And it “IS” epidemic and endemic.

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    • old white guy
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 8:40pm

      another example of the enemy within.

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    • nptden
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 8:53pm

      Isn’t it great to have communists in power. Now they won’t even recognize the Pledge of Allegiance. Guess they don’t get the word Allegiance. Time to start shipping them out to Commie countries where they will feel more at home.

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    • dogdr
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 9:44pm

      I was forced to say the pledge of allegiance every day in grade school. I never paid attention to a word I was saying and it meant nothing to me or any other kids in the second grade. It is a useless exercise and a waste of time. It is how you live and what you believe that matters. Reciting the pledge of allegiance at the beginning of a city meeting is similarly a meaningless exercise. Does the pledge make anything decided on during the meeting more legitimate? Does not saying the pledge mean you don’t love America? Some people have an allegiance to this country and some don’t. They ALL have the right to be here. If you have to say a pledge to show your allegiance I would suggest your allegiance isn’t very strong. For those at the City Council who feel a great patriotism and allegiance to the flag then that is fine. Requiring everybody to stand and recite a meaningless stanza proves nothing. It is just another waste of time arguing about meaningless things when real work needs to be done. The It is just another diversion from our real problems, and they won’t be solved with pledges or prayers. The city council meetings went just fine without the Pledge. Will the city run better because they say the pledge? Are they in trouble now because the didn’t say the Pledge before.
      This is a ridiculous waste of time for everybody and just another manufactured controversy where there is none.

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    • nptden
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 9:59pm

      The Pledge of Allegiance is only divisive to Communists, Socialists and Progressives who are open enemies of our Republic. They have their rights, however we do also.

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    • Rightsofman
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 10:39pm

      How can a pledge of allegiance to your country be DEVISIVE in your OWN COUNTRY???!!! Hells Bells insanity reigns!!!

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    • ILUVJESUS
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 11:22pm

      Leave America, OK you fat piggies? Get your fat secular asses off to Cuba!

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    • bulletsinthegun
      Posted on June 28, 2011 at 11:38pm

      I live in Oregon, Eugene and Portland control the state, Idiots yes, State of Jefferson needs to happen soon so nobama can have his 51st state and get closer to his 57

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    • Thatsitivehadenough
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:01am

      This is the result of allowing communists to teach their anti-religion, anti-American garbage in American schools. If they don’t want to recite the pledge, then don’t. But don’t stop those who do. They are only free enough to even say things like that in public because they live in the greatest nation on earth, under God.

      And @ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME : YOU and people like you are exactly what is so wrong with America today. You don’t have a right to anything but life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Which YOU and YOUR CHILDREN only have a right to because you were lucky enough to be born American. You are pathetic.

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 1:03am

      My wife and I were eating dinner when this story came on the news tonight and both of us could not believe what we had just heard. For any of those jerks that think saying the pledge is divisive should get on a small raft and start their journey to another country.
      I am fully aware that the left wants to keep poking us in the eye until we snap, and I have to admit, as time goes by I am getting closer and closer to snapping on one of these jerks.

      http://www.AMillionGoWest.com

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    • alshightech
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:52am

      This is not the problem of Oregon and Oregon is a beautiful state. @$$ 0 Mayor Piercy is not a true American and should be deported or taken out. She will destroy what the real American’s have fought & died for. What did she ever do but complain, it is obvious that she can’t look in to a mirror.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 3:37am

      I’m with you SAM BROWN…State of Jefferson!

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    • JJ Coolay
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 6:51am

      Yet I’m sure the council has no problems with taking their long weekends off for 4th of July, Memorial Day, and even Christmas.
      ___________________

      Nailed it on the head. If the double standard fits, wear it like a liberal!

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:31am

      Well if eugene finds the pledge offensive or devisive cut off their federal tax support and they can pledge alligence to whatever.

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    • one years food ration like glenn says
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:35am

      Doesn’t surprise me with peoples names like “ortiz” or “hugo”.. Look at that ugly lady she is just bitter God didn’t give her beauty..

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    • B4B
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:39am

      YES THE PLEDGE IS OBVIOUSLY DIVISIVE !
      It divides those who respect God and Country from those that don’t.
      And that’s what really bothers these tools.
      Exposure.

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    • rickbob
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 8:33am

      Won’t pray for it. But then again, won‘t pray that it won’t happen..

      BANSHEE- Move!

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    • Pujols
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:09am

      The Pledge of Allegiance is only ‘Divisive’ if you hate AMERICA!

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    • TexasCommonSense
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:14am

      ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME, so you teach your kids they’re entitled to what others produce, either in the form of money or labor? That’s a terrible lesson to teach your kids. I teach my kids their only entitled for what they earn for themselves.

      How far do you take this entitlement mentality?

      Look no further then failed societies, both past and present, to see how poorly this works. Sooner or later the producers get tired of the takers and either become takers themselves, or stop producing.

      You should really think farther than the immediate gratification, feel-good, mentality and think more long-term. Teach your kids to produce and not take from others.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 9:20am

      I suggest that we, as communities, start the day off by coming outside, and saying the Pledge of Allegiance TOGETHER as a community, just like as if we were all in school again.

      Matter of fact, I’m going to do it right now.

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    • astrodog1959
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:38am

      might just think about moving its coming and its bringing Hell with it ,bring hell with it !!!!!

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    • wrightstr
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:21am

      I live here too. I although I definitely believe certain parts of the state should be hit with a wave. Just let me know so I can get in my boat and watch all the libs yell at me for help.

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:13pm

      @Banshee34..SORRY.. but I live in worse just outside CHICAGO .. in IL.. and YOU think a tidal wave will be bad?? I wonder what is going to hit CHICAGO..LOL.. hope it doesn’t travel to where I live..

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    • Candertwin
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 12:44pm

      I think these politicians in Oregon are more divisive than the pledge. Can we ban them?

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    • old white guy
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 2:39pm

      divisive. hmmm. maybe if we divided the idiots in half and put both halves in one hole they would shut up.

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    • OregonConservative
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 7:10pm

      Contrary to public opinion, most of Oregon (geographically) is full of conservative, generous, God-fearing, hard-working people. The liberal loons unfortunately congregate in the two most populated cities – Portland and Eugene. Wacky stuff coming from the home of University of Oregon (aka Berkeley North) is pretty routine. Those areas beat out the rest of the state in population so it’s a big challenge at election time. But I keep praying…. Don’t throw us into the Pacific just yet.

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    • ConvertedToBeckism
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 10:20pm

      That’s not nice. There are lots of conservatives here. I am stuck here because I have elderly parents – otherwise I would be off to Texas. Maybe you could just wish for a discriminating tsunami…… Even with that, most of the liberals live in the Willamette Valley – the tsunami wouldn’t even get this far as it has to go over a mountain range.

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    • pavepaws
      Posted on June 29, 2011 at 11:58pm

      Apparently no intelligent life there.

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    • cykoaudio
      Posted on June 30, 2011 at 1:51am

      the mayor is tied to Code Pink,I’m shocked she agreed to recite the Pledge even 4 times a year-since libs are always offended by everything and seem to think if 1 American is offended by some speech it should be kept to yourself at home,why don’t we apply that to Code Pink & if they have ANYTHING to say,they can say it,but keep it at home to yourselves cuz it offends 99% of normal Americans,or can we deport the Pinkees to Mexico? clearly the mention of God,or salutations to our country or flag makes members of Cod Pink go into convulsions and spasms,it must be health issue,or they hate this country and founders so much,they seriously wish every town/city should adopt SanFrancisco’s laws

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    • cretiak
      Posted on July 3, 2011 at 2:09pm

      As a life-long conservative Eugenean……who’s great, great grandparents came here in wagon trains in the mid 1800′s….. I am WELL AWARE of the local issues facing this town. But wishing a tidal wave on an area filled with many good people is the core of ugliness and arrogance…the size of which NO TSUNAMI can challenge. I may live in a liberal town…and battle the frustrations of this choice every day. But if I ever get to the point where I wish such horror on ANYONE…..that is the day I will question the ugliness inside myself…and stop looking at others.

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