Is There a ‘Spying Device’ in Your Car?
- Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:06pm by
Buck Sexton
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The Chinese government is famously good at internal security, and this may be one reason why: spying devices are allegedly hidden in thousands of vehicles.
Alleged Chinese spying device.
The devices, about the size of a PDA and apparently equipped to record conversations, were first installed as “inspection and quarantine cards” in July 2007 without charge by the Shenzhen Inspection and Quarantine Bureau. They seem to have been placed specifically on dual-plate Chinese-Hong Kong vehicles.
Smugglers were among the first to catch on. One of them told the Apple Daily Newspaper (as translated by the Epoch Times):
“For every ten cars we ran we only had [smuggled goods] in three or four to reduce the risk, but the border agents caught all of them. The accuracy was unreal!”
Before shrugging this off as just another police state intrusion in a far away land, you may want to take a look around your own car for a different kind of surveillance device called the EDR, or Event Data Recorder.
An example of an EDR.
In general, the EDRs you will find on American cars do not have the remote, bluetooth collection capabilities alleged of the Chinese device above, and the data is considered property of the owner. But the trend in this country is moving towards more data collection from your vehicle, and more access to it for the authorities. Some would consider this cause for concern.
For years, the EDR has been the deciding factor in a number of criminal accident investigations. And the National Highway Transportation Safety Association is deciding this year whether all cars must have EDRs.
If that happens, your days of going 80 mph with the top-down on the open road are numbered. And who knows, in the future it might be best to keep your voice down when you complain about it.
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Comments (159)
CrazyCraig
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:12pmAlways remember that this is about money and power. Our government is slowly setting up a system to collect more money and achieve more power over the citizens of this country. We need to rise up and put a stop to this madness! Or, we will all be subjects of the state. Doing the states bidding. Freedom lost forever. When will the common citizen realize what is happening? I am afraid it will be too late.
Report Post »20th Century Wolverine
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 8:59pmGuerrilla Tactics indeed! Who says American Monkeys don’t exist.
Report Post »TheDebtWeAllPay
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:09pmbuy American
Report Post »SweetDoug
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:04pmHmm. where’s that on/off button on this thing?…
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Report Post »V-V
azitdad
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:56pmLooks like I’ll be inspecting my car VERY soon.
Report Post »Drum Man
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:54pmAnd the freedom continues to erode under this POTUS….
Report Post »Mike N
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 6:21pmSCROTUS . . . Screwer OTUS.
Report Post »ClockKing
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 6:35pmIt‘s’ worse that POTUS. It’s the people who design this stuff, and create “plans” to force it on the populace. Even if Obama is kicked out now, those evil people will still be working in the government. They think they are above the rest of us, little gods watching the flock.
Report Post »They misunderestimated me
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:54pmCheck wieners edr. Then we will know how many hookers he’s picked up. Sorry I mean “ladies of the night”. ever wonder why theres more hookers in dc than vegas?
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:49pmId like to see them stick a tracking device in my a** …er ..well..I meant Donkey …no horse ..aw crap never mind …i better go work on my boat ..cya ,…lalal
Report Post »Ducky 1
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:46pmMakes my old car attractive. I will keep it running as long as I can drive!
Report Post »Kromlik
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:42pmWell i’ve always wanted to restore a 6.6 Trans Am. Seems like a good time
Report Post »mossbrain
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:42pmIt’s perfectly legal for the police to go onto your property and install some sort of tracking device on your car. You can thank the Muslims for the increase in police surveillance.
Report Post »flsnipe
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:18pmThank congress they wrote the law
Report Post »VISITORNUMBER3
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:35pmPardon the sarcasm but what difference does this make? By next year ALL new cell phone models (not just smart phones) will have the smart chip in them. So, they could potentially track you everywhere not just in your car.
Report Post »The smart phones have them now. We’ll all be getting messages from Barry and Janet as well as Amber Alerts, severe weather reports etc…and again, it’s standard on all new phones beginning 2012…(look it up.)
frustratedwithgovt
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:47pmI have a crappy little prepaid mobile with no data or gps capability and that is the way I like it. I wont be giving that up any time soon and If I do I may just have to rethink how and what I use. I got by just fine without one before and I can do it again :)
Report Post »Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:52pmdont get a new phone …I dont believe ..american lived without phone for hundreds of years ..now they would give up their freedom for a damm cell phone ……what is more imporatnt ?
Report Post »ISRAELISOURFRIEND
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:23pmHello Americans, fellow humans of common sense, when is enough, “enough”?
Freedom being slowly washed away in the guise of safety, how long shall we stand and watch?
Obama’s actions coincide with his pastor, rev. Wrights words… “******* America!”
Report Post »thomas242007
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:36pmive been asking that same question
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:23pmWhy are we subservient to the government? Aren’t they supposed to be subservient to us?
Report Post »flsnipe
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:16pmTo much American Idol
Report Post »flsnipe
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:23pmThe new cars not just on star the computer is a snitch it will tell how fast you were going how hard your breaking if you were swerving in and out of traffic and the locations the vehicle has traveled what was going on when the air bags deployed. Crash investigators will down load it at the seen of a crash dealers will use it not to honor warranties and show abuse.
Report Post »flsnipe
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:25pmJust more big brother B.S.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:03pmAnd insurance companies will use it to not pay claims.
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:22pm(sarcastically) Well, isn’t this amazing? An Event Data Recorder to record your every word and keep track of how many miles you’re traveling… Can our government get any more power-hungry and intrusive than it already is?! No way I’m buying an GM vehicle anytime soon!
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:19pmi hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all the car companies are using these so called black boxes, heck i don’t care if they record what i am saying or not, they just might learn a thing or two, or they just might hear what i think about obama and his commie buddies, heck they could play on the radio, it just might make the highest rating ever for radio,and i can promise you it will be good to. i am willing to bet that i am not a lone in how i feel about the commies and obama.
Report Post »axel@25
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:48pmAnd then, when they use the info to track you down on some empty highway in the middle of nowhere and you go “missing”… can I have your old record collection?. You won’t need it at “Obama Camp for Wayward Thinkers”.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:53pm@common
Report Post »You know how I feel about the commies. We see red right? Beet red?
Texas Grasshopper
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:53pmnow ..cash for clunkers is beginning to make sense ..
Report Post »Jerbear1098
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:44pmAgenda 21….. Look it up. Yes it makes perfect sense.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:16pmYes . I bought a my SUV because it had it .. in 04 (I travel alone and liked the notification in an accident feature) .. the more I learn the less I like it … Never again.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:16pmWhat’s next, underware and shoes?
>Medical exams, and procedures will be the perfect time to ‘drop’ in tracking devices.
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:21pmthat will make for some smelly conversations,and i bet that it still won’t smell near as bad as all these commies in the white house with their lying breaths.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:16pm“Hello, this is Big Brother, oops… I mean Onstar.”
The article left out the shut off switches DOT is thinking of including with the EDRs. Basically, the police and other authorities could just shut off your engine when they wanted to.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:09pmYeah, and once that happens, some wiseacre will figure out how to use it and start turning people’s engines off. Will police cars have them, too, in case someone hijacks a police car?
Report Post »oldasdirt
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:15pmFreedoms for U.S. Citizens is going,,,,,going,,,,,
Bachmann / West,,,,West / Bachmann.
Report Post »american1st
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:50pmit wont help even as much as they talk a great conservative game, they would both tow the establishment (dem = repub / repub = dem ) line in office, Ron Paul has the best constitutionalists and independent record of all the candidates running right now..
Report Post »expatinontariocanada
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:55pmI’m liking “Perry/Bachmann”.
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:11pmWhy are “American” expats always outside America? The Expatriation act (passed July 27, 1868) allowed the recently freed slaves who had recently been made “federal citizens” (citizen OF the United States) to renounce said federal Citizenship and become clothed only in “State” citizenship thereby becoming American Citizens only. Look up “dual citizen” in nearly any dictionary and you find “Status of US citizens WHO reside in a state (of the Union, a foreign Nation) http://www.lojack12.com/Constitution/expatration.html Peace.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:25pmI will settle for Bachmann/West.
Report Post »If West won’t run, he will accept VP. Been told so.
TexasCommonSense
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:15pmI won’t buy a GM car because their affiliations with the government.
Report Post »axel@25
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:54pmGov’t sets the rules for ALL new cars sold…that includes imports too, without regard for where they were made.
Report Post »A nice fully restored 65 Nova wagon looks pretty good right about now.
Blazer123
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:12pmSomeone told me the other day that the book 1984 doesn‘t relate at all to today’s world. I’ll disagree.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:49pm1984 IS today’s world!! Double speak and constant wars…..more and more of them. Just need to finish up with the consolidations……EU done. That‘s why borders aren’t and won’t close. Got to get that AU done. :-)
Report Post »Hula Calhoun
Posted on June 15, 2011 at 10:06amIt’s interesting that Orwell wanted to call the book “1948,” but his publisher suggested setting it in the future, so he went with “1984.” So he wasn’t off about what was going to happen (as some people thought in the year 1984), he just didn’t predict the exact year. This IS the start of Big Brother!
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:11pmNope Nada Zilch….this my Blazer friends will be the tipping point for me!
Report Post »1stAmendment
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:11pmIf You Won’t Defend Your Rights,
Report Post »Don’t Complain When You Lose Them!
jhaydeng
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:42pmI can’t believe Bill is quoting info from MSNBC! Now that’s credibility! How’s your paycheck Bill? Or your neighbors?
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 6:45pmHow is it possible that by pointing out that there IS more than 50 states is somehow converted to I support Obama? Honestly. The point is you people don’t have a clue who you are or where you are if you think “United States” and “United States of America” are the same Nation. Anyone who claims this deserves what they receive. Peace
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 8:13pm@wildbill_b
Report Post »Posted on June 14, 2011 at 6:45pm
How is it possible that by pointing out that there IS more than 50 states is somehow converted to I support Obama? Honestly. The point is you people don’t have a clue who you are or where you are if you think “United States” and “United States of America” are the same Nation. Anyone who claims this deserves what they receive. Peace
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Have you been drinking? Suffering from the heat?
That “IS” should be “ARE,” but there are 50 states in our nation, known as the United States of America, often referred to as “the United States,“ or ”the States.”
I.Gaspar
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:11pmIt’ll keep track of all 58 states, too.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:24pmhe he he
Report Post »VISITORNUMBER3
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:28pmLOL…I thought it was only 57 states… (good one)
Report Post »chirodoc007
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:36pmI-phones tracking owners through triangulation, Toll road transmitters, navigation devices that can track your every mile, etc., etc, etc. George Orwell was off by 27 years with his classic “1984”.
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:38pmWill it record when obama gets his a** handed to him in the next election?
Report Post »Brad Wesselmann
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:48pmRelax and start thinking of ways these devices can be used for counter-intelligence and deception tactics to those seeking to use them for control. With a little bit of good ole American ingenuity we could have them chasing their tails for hours while we do what we please. Start getting familiar with guerrilla tactics and data mining. ;-)
Report Post »expatinontariocanada
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:49pmGM must be a sponsor of The Blaze because they took down my comment about O*Star. You’re starting to p*ss me off, Blaze.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:50pmI see they took down the GM comment and my response ….
ONSTAR … never again. … !
TEA!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:52pmWait for it … implanted tracking.
Report Post »gs425
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:52pmit was 60 states
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:59pm@OLDASDIRT …
It is also a shame to see what they have done and continue to do to the state of Michigan.
TEA!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:01pm@CatB ~
The Blaze has taken down a negative comment about OnStar?
Our ancestors fought a nation and won our independence from Great Britain. How can 535 United States Congressmen disregard We the People by not confronting one man whose only goal is to overthrow our government? ~ Showtime, June 14, 2011
An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens. ~ Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Melish, January 13, 1813
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:06pmI’m sure someone will find one, then report where it is so everyone else can take them out. Will the car run without it? Does a check engine light or something like that come on?
Report Post »southerngal
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:09pmNote, Some posts are being removed and others are edited. was the man suspected of and the Blaze knew was involved. Further investigation showed both and were not reliable sources but Judge ruled a breach of confidence and declared .
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:12pmI wonder if they have one on my old mule….It problely under his tail and they know how many times he has passed GAS.
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:12pmDo you people realize how ignorant it makes you look to ridicule a factual statement? Honestly, educate yourselves.
50 states of America (America) and the 7 “states” of the United States, specifically D.C., Guam,Puerto Rico,American Samoa,Virgin islands,Palau and Micronesia (United States NOT of America). Combined they make up the 57 states of the Country known internationally as the “United States”.
Now that I have again provided you people all 57 states which vote to nominate the president, will you again make such idiotic remarks or will you begin to question how it is possible that you don’t know jack **** about your country? Either educate yourself or remain fools. Choice is all yours. Peace
Report Post »egosumverum
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:14pmOnStar is already there. It can govern speed remotely, and it allows anyone with access, legal or otherwise, listen to any conversation.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:24pm@WILD
Nice try .. but it was 57 with one more to go .. 58 .. Obama is our first “short bus” President….. should I mention that it is 2011 and not 2008 (as BO signed in book in London this year!) .. how about solving our energy problems by putting air in our tires … more?
TEA!
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:27pm“Big Brother” is real and soon will control every aspect of our lives! We need someone in control who will take the oath to defend and uphold the Constitution and actually mean it!
Report Post »jjoy
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:28pmHey gaspar… our “president” plainly stated that there are 57 states… When did we pick up number 58???
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:28pmI can not believe they would do this…. don’t they know the wind drag this will cause?
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:30pmThose outside of the US are not states, but territories. They can not vote in our elections, pay no federal taxes, and have a non-voting delegate in Congress.
Report Post »faithwalker
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:30pmLet me start off by saying I like what @Brad Wesselmann has to say. We sure are headed down a slippery slope but I want you to know God has a plan. You don’t have to fear what the Government is going to do if you know Jesus. This is not my home, I’m just passing through. This is just another step in the plan. Rev. 13:16-18 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:32pmJust wait until they put remote controlled thermostats in our houses, like Barry once mentioned. Do you think those will have microphones and cameras in them?
Report Post »IMOK_IMBREATHING
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:35pmI believe Obama said he’d been to 57 states so far and he said he had 2 more to go.
Report Post »Jediusetheforce
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:38pmDoes that mean we have to wear a seat belt also?? If I‘m driving 80 it doesn’t matter right?
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 4:49pmWhat he said specifically was “I’ve been to uh 57 states with, I think, one more to go.”
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobamavideos/youtube/obama-57-states.htm
Wake Island,Northern Mariana Islands,Marshall Islands. In addition Every city over 250,000 people MAY be considered a “State”. Read it for yourself. Not like they hide it. They KNOW you aren’t going to take the time to educate yourself. http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici92.pdf
When they speak of the “Indian Nations” they refer to the foreign “nations” which includes the 50 States of the Union which by themselves comprise the Union of Nations known as America.
“State”n. **A people** permanently occupying a fixed territory bound together by common-law habits and custom into one body politic exercising, through the medium of organized government, independent sovereignty and control over all persons and things within its boundaries. (Black’s Law Dictionary, 5th Edition, Page 1262)
“Foreign States: Nations outside of the United States.” Term may also refer to another state; i.e. a sister state.
Report Post »The term “foreign nations,” as used in a statement of rule of law that the laws of foreign nations should be proved should be proved in a certain manner, should be construed to mean all nnations and states other than which the action is brought; and hence one state of the Union is foreign to another, in that sense of the rule.
(Black’s Law Dictionary 5th Edition Pg
wildbill_b
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:02pmWrong once again. They are the “United States”. The 50 States are a foreign nation called America.
Additionally they DO VOTE despite you lack of knowledge on the fact.
It is in the news and every single book that you have never read on the subject. For instance
Guam-http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24839059/ns/politics-decision_08/t/nominating-not-voting-president/
Puerto Rico-http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/06/barack-obama-courts-hispanics-cash.html
http://thisnation.com/question/021.html
It is frightening how little you know but how much you profess to be an expert at. Imagine all the other things you are wrong on? Like Taxes maybe?
Title 26 section 3121
(e) State, United States, and citizen
For purposes of **this chapter**— **FEDERAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT**
(1) State
The term “State” includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.
(2) United States
The term “United States” when used in a geographical sense includes the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.
Strangely, I don’t see the 50 states listed? LOL so now tell me every knows it includes them? well except maybe Congress?
Report Post »7103. Definitions; application (18) ‘United States’ means the 50 States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of of Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands, the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, and any territory or possession of th
Showtime
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:07pm@expatinontariocanada
Report Post »Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:49pm
GM must be a sponsor of The Blaze because they took down my comment about O*Star. You’re starting to p*ss me off, Blaze.
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The Blaze removed the comment by oldasdirt, too, Expatinontariocanada.
DIOS BENDIGA AMERICA ... JESUCRISTO ES EL SEÑOR!
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:17pmFor Sale: 1973 Ford F-150 – slightly used – needs paint – runs…a little – no computers – asking $25,000 USD or 100 lbs non-hybrid seeds.
Report Post »SandyfromChesterfield
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:24pmDid you know that The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) has a membership of 58 states? Just a coincidence I am sure.
Report Post »VegasGuy
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:37pmSounds like the Chinese version of General Motors’ OnStar.
Report Post »BlazingPatriot
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:39pmIt won’t be long and the auto insurance companies will be in kahoots with municiple governments.
The scenario:
Auto insurance companies will offer drivers the option to purchase a steeply discounted insurance policy if you agree to having a tracker placed in your vehicle that will record your speed and location which will then be sent electronically to the insurance company’s monitoring dept. Not only will this device record and monitor how fast you are driving, it will also know via your location if you run a red light or have other traffic violations. Your rates would be very low provided you have a superior rating but would increase dramatically should you build up points in the ratings system.
Those who choose to adhere to the speed limit and obey traffic rules would pay substantially less for premiums than those who choose to speed and break the law.
Sound to good to be true? . . . Just Wait!
Report Post »mauijonny
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:41pm@ WILDBILL – no, territories cannot vote for POTUS – if YOU were educated, you’d know that. And try just watching the news and Obama’s visit to Puerto Rico, the first from a US Prez since Kennedy. Know why so long? They CAN’T vote. Obama has chosen to visit to potentially garner American Puerto Rican/Hispanic support. As for the rest of your argument, it just exemplifies your ignorance and tendency towards sheepleness in your blind support of Barry Soetoro. If you’d like to pursue this with me further, just keep in mind that I’m from Hawaii, a former US territory, as are much of my family. I lived the actualy story, not created some wishful thinking / excuse making in an effort to protect the suspect intellect of the current Prez.
Report Post »FToth84
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:42pmSounds a lot like ON-STAR!! The best part about on star. The fact that GM changed the location where the On-Star module is install (at least in the 2011 Colorado). Previously they installed it under the driver’s seat. Now, it’s installed behind the dashboard. Making it a heck of a lot hard to disconnect the battery cable from it. Hmmmm…. Wonder why they did this?
Report Post »stormcrow53
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 6:12pm@Wild_Bill whatever:
Report Post »Nice grasping at straws: You dopes are desperate. No one I know calls Washington D.C. a state. And the others are territories, not states and was the Foreign Dictator campaigning in Micronesia? Do they have golf courses out there? You need to reverse your Cranial-Rectal Syndrome problem and breathe some fresh air. Perhaps a breathalyzer or inhalator or whatever you callums will help. D’oh!
booger71
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 6:14pmThere are those who can get rid of any EDR from your car. If I had one, I would disable it.
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 6:30pmmauijonny
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 5:41pm
@ WILDBILL – no, territories cannot vote for POTUS
Please read what I posted again. Your confusion on what I said simply displays the abysmal state of the education system today. I said “Vote(select) for the nominees” Not vote FOR THE POTUS
Your apparent confusion on the statehood of the country is clearly indicative of the level of knowledge you possess on the matter. At this very moment Obama is Campaigning in Puerto Rico:
Obama returns to Puerto Rico, courting Hispanic vote-http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/14/us-usa-campaign-obama-idUSTRE75931P20110614
Hum they must be stupid to be campaigning in a “State” that can’t help elect him. LOL
They are “Territories” of the “United States of America” and form the “states” OF the “United States”. This fact is irrefutable regardless of how much some people try to deny it.
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 6:41pmmauijonny
” As for the rest of your argument, it just exemplifies your ignorance and tendency towards sheepleness in your blind support of Barry Soetoro”. <<Utter failure at reading comprehension. I think he is the worse thing to happen to this country in a long time.
"If you’d like to pursue this with me further, just keep in mind that I’m from Hawaii, a former US territory, as are much of my family. I lived the actualy story, not created some wishful thinking / excuse making in an effort to protect the suspect intellect of the current Prez." << yet even "living" the the story you still don't have a clue what it is.
HAWAII OMNIBUS ACT
PUBLIC LAW 86-624; 74 STAT. 411
[H.R. 11602]
86th Congress — Second Session
1960
(i) Section 7701(a)(9) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 (relating to definition of "United States")60 is amended by striking out ", the Territory of Hawaii,". <<WAS INCLUDED IN "UNITED STATES" until it became a state of the Union? HUMMM
(j) Section 7701(a)(10) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 (relating to definition of "State")61 is amended by striking out "the Territory of Hawaii and".<<WAS INCLUDED IN "STATE" until it became a state of the Union? HUMMM
Report Post »Same goes for the ALASKA OMNIBUS ACT
PUBLIC LAW 86-70; 73 STAT. 141
You guys make this too easy. If you want to try and rebut me at least use logic and fact.
chickenlittle
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 7:01pm57 plus peurto rico makes 58.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 7:54pm@Wildbill_Bill ~
Where did YOU go to school?
The Electoral College. The national presidential election actually consists of a separate election in each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia; in these 51 elections, the voters are really voting for “electors” pledged to one of the tickets. These electors make up the “Electoral College.” (In most cases, the names of the electors aren’t written on the ballot; instead the ballot lets voters choose among “Electors for” each of the tickets, naming the presidential and vice-presidential candidates each slate of electors is pledged to.)
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 8:21pmsnip snip, what edr?
Report Post »motes_art
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 9:16pmGuess I’ll be driving my 1985 Chevy S10 for the foreseeable future.
Report Post »Fuul Aluuf
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 9:32pm@Wildbill_Bill – so did Obama actually visit ALL 7 of those territories? Just wondering is all… I followed the campaign pretty closely and don’t remember him visiting Micronesia. If he didn’t visit all 7 of those territories then obviously his understanding of what is a State does not fit with your definition. Also, he said there was one more to go… was he talking about Canada maybe?
I think its more likely that he was tired and misspoke. Politicians do that all the time. We tend to get defensive and try to split hairs, but it would be more healthy for everyone to stop the gotcha/defendya game. Seriously, just because [insert politician] misspoke doesnt mean [he/she] is dumb and it doesn’t really reflect on [you/me] directly just because we support [him/her]. So we can all set down our pride and step away from the keyboard before someone gets their feelings hurt… You aren‘t going to change anyone’s mind about the 57 states, so you are just wasting time.
Although, if you could explain what Obama meant by “corpse-men”, that would be interesting… I’m sure you have spent hours googling for some excuse… such as: Obama was only referring to dead marines, he was just taken out of context! In the meantime, I will google for an excuse to the latest Palin misspeak, and I’ll join you back in 20 minutes to compare….
Report Post »mobynowak
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 9:56pmI believe there are 57 states. At least that is what my president told me. And he’s a kollig professor.
Report Post »Kai Wan
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 10:02pmOh bill could you copy and paste your intelligence more for us? copy/paste = looooooser. if you know all of this to be fact, you could type it out without having to copy/paste it. you claim to know sooo much, but you are just a copy and paste pos dbagocrat.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 10:43pmOf course posts are taken down and modified. The CIA monitors this website and can obtain IP addresses and then identities of everyone here. If CIA decides you are a so called “domestic terrorist” (read: anti-Obama) then what do you think is going to happen? Tax cut?
The ONSTAR devices monitor your location at all times, including knowing when you are home. Thanks to the Patriot Act the government has access to all that information without a warrant (if you don’t believe me, do your research, it’s in the bill). Do you think the government needs that information to help you? Or, duh, maybe to track those who would oppose the absolute dictatorship that Obama is trying, obviously, to impose?
I have a conservative friend who works for the CIA that has told me confidentially to not post anything on this or other websites anything that sounds like you don’t like the government. If you have any kind of GPS, have your mechanical disable it. Limit the websites you visit to the lame stream ones or you will be flagged. He’s told me how to get around that, something I’ll post when I get to the library.
The stage is set. The FEMA camps are in place. HE is only waiting for a world event of some kind to justify his move.
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 11:14pmCATB & WILD
Report Post »My turn
There are 50 States The rest are called Territories,Except D.C. It’s the
OUT HOUSE
408 CheyTac
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 11:29pmI am too cheap to buy new cars, and that’s why I own old junk.
It seems the payoff may be more than just saving money, eh?
No EDR in my wheezebag-hooptie-wagon early Cj5. Hell, I get happy if the heater comes on. Not much technology to record data from. As for going 80 with the top down. er, not a chance.
You really can’t bypass the recorder, the device is a pass-through between vehicle systems, and the ECU. The computer won’t function without it. It is typically held that the product “owner” owns the data in the memory. If it’s leased, the leasing co owns the data, if financed, the bank has a vested interest in that data, and is a co-owner. And you thought OnStar was a frightening case of 1984 when onstar can remotely retrieve the data for anyone who asks Remember that new FBI rules change? Feeling lucky yet?
Report Post »Hula Calhoun
Posted on June 15, 2011 at 10:02amRegarding the comments about O n – S t a r comments being taken down: Remember, the Blaze’s CEO is from the HuffPo. Notice how many articles quote and/or have links to HP?
Report Post »wildbluyonder11
Posted on June 15, 2011 at 3:59pm@ everyone replying to WildBill: The guy is a mental midget, let it go. He’s digging up extraneous portions of legislation to support his argument while refusing to acknowledge that his president was / is capable of being ignorant. That capability lies in all of us, more so in WildBill and Barry, but I digress. And as far as this recent trip to “court the hispanic vote” in Puerto Rico, yes it is true that he’s in Puerto Rico, yes it is true that he’s courting the Hispanic vote, but no, citizens of Puerto Rico will not be allowed to vote for him for President. And, WildBill, if you think he’s down there to get the hispanic vote in some primary that they may hold in Puerto Rico, you’re just plain sad. His, and the Democrats, vision for Puerto Rico is to convince them to give up their cushy tax-free status to become an official state so that, hopefully, they’ll have more voters that tend to lean left.
Report Post »Jess Owen
Posted on June 16, 2011 at 12:18amObama referred to 60 states. He said that Oregon was his 57th state, he had 1 to go, and he wasn’t able to go to Alaska or Hawaii.
Report Post »fixer
Posted on June 21, 2011 at 3:07pmThe Tree of Liberty is getting mighty thirsty!
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