Is This the Earliest of Human Paintings on Earth?
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The paintings once thought to be the oldest created by humans on Earth, dated at 32,000-years-old, are really quite green compared those found in the Cave of Nerja in Spain, which are more than 10,000 years older according to new tests.
Scientists believe these paintings to be seals and have dated them to be around 43,500 years old. (Photo: Cueva de Nerja)
Gizmodo reports that radiocarbon dating tests of the image found in Cave of Nerja near Málaga places the art around 43,500 years old. For scientists, this discovery means that the painting was created by Homo neanderthalensis, not Homo sapiens:
“The charcoals were next to the seals, which doesn’t have any parallelism in paleolithic art” said [José Luis Sanchidrián, professor at the University of Córdoba], “and we knew that neanderthals ate seals.” And there is no proof of homo sapiens in this part of the Iberian Peninsula.
Researchers think that this cave was one of the last points in Europe in which neanderthals — who lived from 120,000 to 35,000 years ago — sought refuge, escaping the push of the Cro-Magnon, the first earliest homo sapiens to reach Europe.
Marbella News states that the dating was conducted as part of a project studying the extinction of the Neanderthals and researching the potential for Homo sapiens to have lived alongside Neanderthals in the cave.
These horses in the Chauvet Cave were previously considered the oldest on Earth at 32,000 years old.
Previously, the oldest human paintings were in Chauvet-Pont-d’Arc Cave, according to Gizmodo.
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Robert Hawk
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 5:34amThere is simply no way the GOP will allow Santorum to run as their candidate. They have reserved that role for Romney. Expect the onslaught of negative ads and disinformation against Santorum to start appearing over the next few weeks. It will be broadcast by both the Romney camp and the GOP. The GOP will tear down anyone who is not Romney, just as they did to Herman Cain and as they did to Newt. They are hell bent to have Romney take the stage as the next presidential candidate from their party and they will get their way if they have to character assassinate every candidate currently in the running.
Expect the emergence late in the game of a third candidate during this election, one who will challenge the established GOP-Progressive and Democratic-Marxist parties. Most likely one who will standup as a constitutionalist, who will have at his/her side as VP another constitutionalist who is from a minority background. Expect this third rail to rally all of the unsatisfied and undecided voters from both parties and those from no party affiliation. That volume could easily represent greater than 1/3 of the registered voters of the United Sates and push this late emerging, constitutional candidate into the White House in 2012.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:57amYou got all that from a cave painting? I better take a second look.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:12amGONZO — THAT’S funny!
Report Post »moodtd01
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:22pmLOL @ GONZO.
Report Post »What will happen if there is a third party constitutionalist is that Obama will win. I say this because if Crazy Uncle Ronnie and Marco Rubio run 3rd party they will suck Repub./Conserv. votes.
RICK SANTORUM FOR PRESIDENT!!!
@leftfighter
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 4:26pmLMAO @Gonzo
Report Post »Tandem2011
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 5:21amPicasso had nothing on these early cave dwellers. We just know about Picasso’s flamboyant behavior that draw exaggerated attention to his childish works. The cave painters merely lacked the liberal media to stand in awe of their work as they painted while in the nude.
Report Post »downthewell
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 7:58amThat’s an idiotic statement to make. You’ve succeeded only in embarrassing yourself by advertising how uneducated you are. Your prize of a case of Glenn Beck’s Bacon-Flavored Toothpaste (accept no substitute) is on its way.
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:20amBacon flavored toothpaste??!!
Report Post »That’s grrrrrrrrrrREAT! :-D
Twobyfour
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:30amdownthewell, It was an opinion, not a reflection of the level of education. It is not uncommon that “educated” people often say extra crispy silly things just because they got it on an authority of a professor.
IMHO, Picasso was not particularly a great painter. Dali on the other hand….
Report Post »Just my opinion.
Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:43amI thought it was quite humorous.. funny as helll even..
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:27am“Picasso was not particularly a great painter. Dali on the other hand….” Both from Spain, however. Something in the water?
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:29am” Something in the water?”
Picasso – Catalonia; Dali – Andalusia. Different water.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 5:12amIts quite impossible for sapiens to be caucasian as the word caucasian has only existed since the tribes of Samara (Northern Israel) left assyria via the Dariel Pass in the Caucasus Mountains. That is where the name caucasian originated. The reason scientist form some opinion concerning caucasians and what are referred to as “white people”. is that all caucasians were of the tribes of Israel. A quick study of the word Adam in biblical text will provide the reader with two Strong’s numbers (119 and 120). These numbers represent the Hebrew meaning of the word Adam, without the article or particle. The meaning of those Hebrew words is what lead scientists to this conclusion.
Report Post »Adam = to be ruddy or rosy complected to show blood in the face to flush or turn rosy. That is the meaning of the Hebrew word Adam, look it up for yourself. The word identifies features of those who are of the house of Israel, and those who are of the blood line of eth-ha-adam (the specific man adam). Anyone who looks in the mirror and sees a face that can flush or turn rosy is a member of the family of Adam. All of the house of Israel were of the blood line of Adam.
Robert Hawk
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 4:41amThese images are from the Chauvet Caves located in France along the Ardeche river. They were discovered in 1994, and contain some very elaborate paintings. You can see the entire set of drawings taken from a National Geographic work here: http://www.donsmaps.com/chauvetcave.html
The cave drawings depict herds of animals common to this era (bison, deer, horses) along with single versions of lions and other common hunters. Very interesting, people should visit the web site to understand what someone observed in that general area so many years ago. Further that someone would have gone to great lengths to depict what they observed on the internal cave walls. Think about what would have needed to have occurred in order for those drawings to have been created, especially in the detail in which they exist.
As for radio carbon dating, that method sets 1950 as the 0 standard and known 1890 wood as the basis for historical measurement, assuming lowered radioactivity prior to the industrial age. Its based largely on some assumptions and not absolutes, therefore it can not be categorized as objective measurement. Further its unknown what the artist used as their method of painting. It could be that the material used to paint the pictures was nearly 50 thousand years old, however the paintings themselves are only a few thousand years old. There is simply no way to accurately pin point the date the paintings were created.
Report Post »SecularConservative
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 6:48amhahaha! good one! It’s nice to see some sarcasm around here :)
Report Post »downthewell
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:00amWRONG Roberthawk. At least one of those paintings has mineral secretions over it that are known to take tens of thousands of years to form. As I recall, that painting has 30-35K years of mineral deposits on top of it, so it was done at least that long ago. You’ve learned something today. In the future, I hope you’ll also learn the truth about radio carbon dating and why it is reliable and widely used for that reason. Most educated people are still ahead of you on that subject.
Report Post »paleoman
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:41amMy great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great-grandfather painted the cave bear. If you look really close you can see his name Uga.
Report Post »They SMEAR what they FEAR
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:13amThat’s interesting downthewell, not too long ago I was in okinawa traversing the wonderful sights of a cave system t okhere. There was a nicely built stainless steel walkway for tourists. What really caught my attention were these little pancake looking saucers all th over the rubber matting. Some as thick as half an inch and up to six inches in diameter. According to what you stated above it must have taken thousands of years to form. So I can only deduct that there must have been a stainless steel and rubber age sometime shortly after the bronze age. Who knew?
Report Post »ZomBrad
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 3:44amIt’s a good thing these “experts” have the authority to claim anything they want….
From the people who’ve discovered how dinosaurs behaved, and what their world even looked like….all from looking at petrified half-skeletons….
Report Post »SecularConservative
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 6:49amJust as looking at the bible for answers makes a lot of sense…
Report Post »sposilovich
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 7:44amAlot more than just half skeletons to look at. Open your eyes, do your research, and you’ll see that the evidence is overwhelming.
And don’t try to drop the line of “carbon dating isn’t accurate”…which is an argument that most evangelicals love to use. There are over a dozen proven techniques besides carbon dating for getting a general age of fossils. From the Uranium-lead dating method (Uranium has a 1/2 life of 700 million years) to the Rubidium-strontium dating method (1/2 life of 50 billion years), using the carbon dating method as the ONLY method scientists use is like claiming that someone can drive a car simply by putting the key in the ignition.
It’s irresponsible not to do your homework, children!
Report Post »nelbert
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:22amZombrad, do you drive a car? Some “so-called” expert worked out the physics and designed it. Do you get your food from the supermarket? Some “so-called” expert developed the methodology to prepare and preserve the food.
Report Post »Radiocarbon dating is not new and has shown itself to be a reliable method of determining age. It requires considerable care and calibration, but when performed appropriately, its results are very solid. Furthermore, whenever possible multiple methods of dating are used. In this case, there would be collaborative data from mineral precipitates.
In short, these “so-called” experts don’t tell you how to do your job, so where do you get the authority to tell them how to do theirs?
DeavonReye
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:16am@Nelbert – Well said. :-)
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:59amWhat tickles me is that scientists seem to think they know everything about human evolution, yet they still can’t explain how Stonehenge or the pyramids of Egypt were built..and how the Mayans and Aztecs were better astronomers than we are today… Interesting.
Report Post »KennethH
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 3:34amindeed, all this is made on asumptions. Neanderthals were in fact far more advanced than initially thought, perhaps even more than **** sapiens. as a matter of fact genetics have proven that a good 60% of the European population has neanderthal genes, meaning that they were of the same human genus, not a less evolved ancestor. if sapiens could reproduce with neanderthals, they were just a different human group, just like **** erectus, of which DNS traces remain in 40% of the population of south east Asia. We can’t breed with any other species than our own! So if we haven‘t found earlier traces of **** sapiens doesn’t mean he wasn’t around, just that we haven’t ben looking in the right places. This pushes back the existence of mankind to a couple of million years rather than a few thousand and would explain so many archaeological “anomalies” of extremely old footprints and artefacts.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 4:59amThe assumptions made by Darwin, were based upon his belief in Stoic philos-sophos doctrine and the use of their dialectic method to explain origin. Its the same method the scientists use today.
The thing to remember in this particular case is that science can only radio carbon date the material used to create the paintings. They can not however define with any accuracy when the paintings were created. They simply assume the material used to create and the date of creation date to be the same, this leap of assumption is simply inconclusive. The dates of the two events could have been millions of years apart.
My guess is that the paintings were created around the time of the caucasians left the assyrian kingdom. They left assyria via the Dariel pass in the Caucasus Mountains, and migrated to what we now call Europe. It would have been common for them to assume lodging around areas where water was present as well as what appears to be an abundance of wild life. The other speculation would be that this area was populated prior to the flood of Noah. There is simply no way to accurately determine who created the drawings or the date they were created. We can only determine the age of the material which was used to create the drawings, which may have no relation to their creation date.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 8:16amRobert, you apparently don’t know much about RC dating method. Or other methods that provide dates after the 10kya range (after that the RC method generates unreliable results because there is nothing to calibrate it against). Before commenting on the methodology, you should study it first.
As for cave paintings, they were made by mixture of red or yellow ochre (you can’t date that reliably) and soot/ground charcoal (you can date that), with animal fat (you can date that). You can probably understand why fat used for making the pigment would be pretty close to the date at which the paintings were made. So would be the charcoal.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:10amRobert Hawk:”The assumptions made by Darwin, were based upon his belief in Stoic philos-sophos doctrine and the use of their dialectic method to explain origin. Its the same method the scientists use today. ”
That’s a gross simplification. If you intend to bash darwinism, you need to get beyond the reduction of this type, no one can take you seriously.
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:30am@Robert Hawk,
Report Post »I‘ve done a little research myself and I’ve noticed that it’s always the guy who talks the most that says the least. :-)
Lloyd Drako
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:04amNo reputable scientist would claim to know “everything” about human evolution. It’s only people who rely on infallible two or three-thousand year-old books who purport to know everything, or everything we’re “meant” to know.
Did the Mayans or the Aztecs even suspect the existence of galaxies, neutron stars, black holes and the other strange beasts that populate the cosmos? No, sorry, it‘s today’s experts who’ve discovered those. ‘Scuse me, I meant to say “so-called experts.”
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:44am“Did the Mayans or the Aztecs even suspect the existence of galaxies, neutron stars, black holes and the other strange beasts that populate the cosmos? No, sorry, it‘s today’s experts who’ve discovered those. ‘Scuse me, I meant to say “so-called experts.””
Indian Vedas were even more colorful as the universe goes than the current menagerie — which it is mostly based on mathematical models and a whole bucket of assumptions. So, one may wonder if “discovered” really means “invented”.
For instance, the age of the universe (~ 15 billion y) is based on the assumption that red/blue shift reflects acceleration to/from a given point. If red/blue shift means something else (and there’s an indication that it might be the case because it is apparently quantized), then the assumptions about the age of the universe may be wrong. BTW, compared to Vedic claims about the age of the universe, out current estimate is a mere miniscule fraction.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:26pm@twobyfour
The calendar we use today (Gregorian est. 16th century) is a solar calendar and is less accurate than the Mayan calendar which was a galactic calendar. Again, the ancients were far superior to us even without the technology, yet of course all that is lost to history.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:54pmKickinBack, we use the Gregorian calendar as a matter of convenience, not because we are unable to come up with something better. Yes, Mayan calendar was highly accurate, no question. But we are able to calculate deviations of earth orbits after major earthquakes or volcanic explosions, for instance. So, we have far more accurate means. Still, given the tools the Mayans had to their disposal, they did extremely well.
There is another issue, though. The prevalent paradigm in our science is gradualism. It’s everywhere where you look and it forces certain spectrum of conclusions, Mayans did not have that restriction in their wordlview. Thus, after a certain date in the past, the astronomical calculations (so do Babylonian or other) seem to be done by drunkards. When we retrograde the motions of stars and planets into the past, we presume that since the formation of earth, it was always in the orbit that it holds at present. So going back we see a substantial discrepancy between our projections and ancient astronomical observations. That is sometimes reflected in a position of religious sites that were situated based on cardinal points, some are off by a substantial degree.
So, if someone matches the position of pyramids with the Orion belt at 7,600 BCE, I am skeptical.
Just for fun… the calendars before ~ 1540BCE were based on 366 day; then up to 730BCE on 360 days and then 5 extra days were slapped to it.For a few centuries, these 5 days were considered unlucky.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 2:43pmtwobyfour.
Report Post »Very interesting! Though I must confess, regardless of how or why, these “cavemen” could still draw a helluva lot better than I can…
bullcrapbuster
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:49amSo Glenn says that he likes Santorum because he wants Romney to win???
Report Post »I suspect that you are judging Glenn by expecting him to do what a person like you would do in his situation. I have observed what you have had to say recently and what Glenn has had to say over the years. My trust in Glenn presenting the truth has been well placed. Your attacks against Romney and Beck are obviously all based on your zealous anti mormon mindset. I personally think that Romney is too much the liberal fo my taste, Gingrich is a train wreck. Paul would be the best for the economy and Santorum is the only one that might beat Romney. I do not know Santorum’s history that well but I like what I see so far.
Captain Crunch
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:45amYes!
Report Post »GO Santorum 2012.
brother_ed
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:43am@GARYM
LIVE CHAT REPLAY: JUBILANT SANTORUM WINS MINNESOTA AND MISSOURI, LEADS IN COLORADO
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:45pm
Beck likes Santorum.
I know this doesn’t fit your anti-Mormon agenda but…”I just love truth, I love giving truth and exposing lies whether anyone listens to me or not. I know they’ll eventually see the truth and I can say I told you so!”
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:20amDuh ………….it was posted four hours ago.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:08amTheObamanation
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:46am
Why is it so Important to you who Glenn is gonna vote for ?
Report Post »_______________
Do you think it would be ok if Beck was really trying to get Romney nominated and really was not for Santorum, would you think the truth lives here motto would fit?
TheObamanation
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:13amThere’s always Huffpo …
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:07amI don’t put a lot of faith in radio carbon dating … scientists are wrong about so much … why would this be any different ?
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:24amhy? It’s a fairly reliable method for dating organic material up to 13kya, provided that the sample has not been contaminated at a later time. Past 13kya, the dates have increasingly larger margin of error, thu the dates are just very gross pointers and other dating methods must be used to reduce the margin of error.
OTOH, nothing is error proof. Sometimes theoretical considerations lead to a refusal of dates acquired by different methodologies. There were some digs in Americas that were not accepted because both stratification and dating techniques placed them between 200-350kya. We “know” that there were no humans and pre-humans in Americas at those times, don’t we?
In 70′s, the assumption was that here were no humans in Americas before 13kya. In 90′s, the picture started to change, because there was some compelling evidence that pointed to 40kya. Not accepted across the board, the old guard has to die out first, I presume. Maybe in time, the discarded finds would be accepted as well, if corroborated by further evidence.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:05ambullcrapbuster
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:53am
@Garym..It makes sense that you are offended being a Beck hating anti-mormon troll and all. Why don’t you go back to your little flock and feed them some more hate.
Report Post »__________
One more reason, I don’t take advice from a bullcrapbuster!
garyM
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:03ambullcrapbuster
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:53am
@Garym..It makes sense that you are offended being a Beck hating anti-mormon troll and all. Why don’t you go back to your little flock and feed them some more hate.
Report Post »_____________________________
I don’t hate Beck, I just love truth, I love giving truth and exposing lies whether anyone listens to me or not. I know they’ll eventually see the truth and I can say I told you so! I hope Santorum or Newt wins, if they don‘t we gonna have 4 more years of Obama and that ain’t good!
JesusH.Christ
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:13amYou mean, the TRUTH is, it won’t be good for YOU. :-)
Report Post »ibytoohi
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:02amResearchers think that this cave was one of the last points in Europe in which neanderthals — who lived from 120,000 to 35,000 years ago — sought refuge, escaping the push of the Cro-Magnon, the first earliest **** sapiens to reach Europe.
Racism…ethnic cleansing? I thought those only happened in the US and Europe in the 20th century.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:42amNo, a better hunting tech and methodology. Neandertals, though very well built (bones twice as massive as Sapiens ones), couldn’t outcompete the agile newcomers and started to retreat from Europe towards North East Asia (Sibiria region). At the time, the Sapiens were in trouble too, it was the peak of the ice age and the conditions were brutal. It looks like Solutreans (the dominant culture of the Western Europe) , made it to North America at about 17-16kya, along the ice sheet that covered most of the northern hemisphere. They may have met the “original” inhabitants that that crossed Pacific at about 45kya (before invention of spear thrower), though these were locate more south.
Report Post »sposilovich
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:54amNeanderthals need some reparations!!
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:13amIt seems to me that the difference between Neandertals and “moderns” may have lain in the social realm. The Neandertals apparently lived in small, probably highly inbred groups and didn’t engage in much trade or ritual exchange, but H. sapiens did. There was probably some gene exchange, but not enough to make for a truly hybrid population. That “moderns” had wider social networks meant that they had the opportunity to learn from neighboring groups, so that innovations in fire-making, hunting technology, clothing manufacture, etc., spread much more quickly. These in turn promoted survival and population growth with which Neandertals simply could not compete, hence their retreat to the far western fringes of Europe. Some very late Neandertals apparently learned to make “modern” (Upper Paleolithic) tools, so there is no reason why at least a few could not have created art as well. There is no clear evidence of violent “ethnic cleansing,” but that doesn‘t mean it didn’t happen, just that it was not the main means where by “we” replaced “them.”
Report Post »IAMINFIDEL
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:59amGee wiz Wally, I thought the Earth was on 6,000 years old!
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:47amA Painting of Fish Celebrating Fred Flintstone causing GoebAl Warming?
Report Post »dnewton
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:35amWhy didn’t the formation of stalagtites deform or destroy the paintings over time? They don’t look like seals to me. Maybe I have carp on the brain after watching the Asian Carp video. Seals have stripes?
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:15amNavy Seals have stripes!
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:03pmMaybe it was a matter of observation, the seals’ skin starts rippling when they swim, to reduce drag. Since these people seemed to paint animals always in motion, this may explain the “stripes”.
Report Post »Veritas
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:21amWhy does The Blaze allow trolls to control the conversations here? I wish there was more moderation.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:40amVeritas
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:21am
Why does The Blaze allow trolls to control the conversations here? I wish there was more moderation.
________________________
What you want is speech censoring right! Anyone with a different point of view than yours should be banned right! My comment was off topic but do you see a topic about Santorum winning 2 states and possibly three? I don’t, now if Beck is really rooting for Santorum, why is that? You can keep on being a sheep if you want, that is your right, don’t step on mine!
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:53am@Garym..It makes sense that you are offended being a Beck hating anti-mormon troll and all. Why don’t you go back to your little flock and feed them some more hate.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:52amMINIMAL screening and censorship. I‘ve had messages removed and I’ve been the complainer causing other messages to be removed. If it’s threatening or exceptionally vulgar it will be removed. Otherwise they let it go. That’s just how it should be. Now if we could just get rid of all the PaulBots life would be better. You aren’t one of them are you? :)
Report Post »GrumpyCat
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:17amThe first one looks like DNA.
Report Post »My, those cavemen were smart!
puravida56
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:09amThis can not be true! The earth is only 6000 years old! Shame on you beck. Shame!
Report Post »garyM
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:46amThat’s right, that’s how my Bible calculates! actually between 5 and 6 thousand years. I laugh when I read the dumb scientist write about millions and millions of years ago!
Report Post »sposilovich
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:12amI am not AGAINST the idea of God. I very much believe in a higher power that created us all…But to claim to be able to define what God did, and why God did it, is simply irresponsible.
Simple answers for simple people…that’s what a lot of the Bible is. While both the Old and New Testament is full of facts…people, places, situations…the events depicted in the early part of the Old Testament are nothing but speculation and answers to mysteries that had no comprehensible solutions at that time.
If someone what unknown, it was the work of God. How was the universe created? By God…in 7 days. Don’t forget to mention the fact that the number 7 is used over 350 times in the Bible. Is it a divine number?? Or just a popular symbol used in those days, along with 12.
SEVEN: 7 years of plenty, 7 years of famine, 7 days of creation, 7th angel says “its finished”, 7 seals, 7 days of the week….
TWELVE “The Perfect Number”, 12 apostles, 12 zodiac signs, 12 is the product of 3 (Holy) and 4 (Earthly), 12 patriarchs, 12 gates, 12 pearls, 12 months in the year, 12 hours for each 1/2 day.
Report Post »watty
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:03amBS.. they grow as deposits solidify… nothing would be visible from that time. I missed if they were deep into the “”"”Tite or MIte.. lol
Report Post »CourageousGeorge
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:03amThe sketches of the horses (I will not call them paintings) at Chauvet…Cave could not have been the first since the artist clearly had done this before….
Report Post »garyM
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:02amI wonder how Beckie is gonna spin the big Santorum win tonight. He may actually have to fess up he is really for Romney!
Report Post »Go Santorum!
Steverino
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:36amGARYM-
Report Post »Is this sarcasm?
I think Glenn and the boys have made it pretty clear that Santorum is “their guy.” I think Pat and Stu have made it clear for a good 2-3 months. (maybe sixeight months…)
Steve
garyM
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:44amSteverino
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:36am
GARYM-
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I think Glenn and the boys have made it pretty clear that Santorum is “their guy.” I think Pat and Stu have made it clear for a good 2-3 months. (maybe sixeight months…)
Steve
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Yea I know Steve, in view of that you wonder where is the story is that Santorum won two states and might win Colorado? Combine that with them trashing every candidate but Backman and Santorum and running only positive Romney stories and what da you get?
TheObamanation
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:46amWhy is it so Important to you who Glenn is gonna vote for ?
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:06amHey Garym…….So you decided to crawl over from Newt to Santorum. Kudos to Glenn for helping you to see the light.
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Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:22amThey may have trivialize Santorum‘s victories to keep down Rick’s momentum so Romney can pump his way back up to the presumed nominee with the sheep herders help of course!
Report Post »chips1
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 12:00am“Joanie Loves Chachi”? What the heck is that supposed to mean?
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Posted on February 8, 2012 at 5:20amThe radio carbon dating, can only be applied to the materials used to make the painting. Its assumed by scientists that the material date and the creation date are the same. This is a point most people miss when reading radio carbon dating. Radio carbon dating only applies to material things, and therefore only apples to the materials used to create these paintings. The radio carbon dating in no way indicates the date in which the paintings themselves were created. Its highly likely the cystine chapel panting of Michael Angelo, would radio carbon date prior to their creation, as the materials he used would be the only thing that could be dated. The same holds true of any number of oil paintings in the Louvre.
Report Post »SecularConservative
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 6:55am@robert
Knowing when the plant or animal died can tell us when the dye for the painting was made, give or take. Carbon dating is a ball park estimate of when the event happened. Even the people dating the object know this. If they guess 43,500 years and it was really 41,354 years ago then they got really close. If the news that the Earth is older than 6,000 years offends you then crawl under a rock because we’re not going to abandon forward advancement for your silly religion.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:41amBryan, the funny ting is that there were signatures. You’ve probably seen some cave painting pictures with “hand prints”. The artist blew the pigment against his hand placed on a cave wall, so you get those negative hand images. The anatomy of these hands is modern human. No one found yet any neanderthal hand prints, so for time being it is assumed that neanderthals simply weren’t that into it.
Also, in some cases, a fingerprint has been preserved.
Report Post »JesusH.Christ
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:50am@ BRYAN,
I’m guessing you were drunk when you wrote your comments. :-)~
@ Secular C.
I’m with you on this RHawk guy. But you can‘t change the mind of someone who’s mind is unchangeable. It’s like when an unstoppable energy (forward advancement) meets an immovable object (Religion) It creates a lot of friction. Best to just ignore it and carry on.
Love,
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