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Is ‘Toxic Glue’ the Cause of Mysterious Health Problems in F-22 Raptor Pilots?

Designer of A 10 and F 16 Jets Claims Toxic Glue is What is Causing Harmful Health Conditions in F 22s

Several pilots have experienced dangerous health conditions while flying the F-22 Raptor. A former jet designer thinks he knows what is causing it. (Photo: Wikimedia)

Several times now, the Blaze has reported on the hypoxia-like conditions seen in F-22 Raptors that have caused pilots to blackout, become disoriented and even have seizures. No one could figure out exactly what was causing this. Now, an F-16 co-designer thinks he knows what the cause could be: toxic glue.

The F-22 — a plane by Lockheed Martin with a unit cost of more than $400 million — was grounded for several months because of the health conditions it was causing while pilots were in flight. More than two dozen incidents have been reported. Two pilots even publicly refused for a time to fly the planes, citing not remembering some events that happened while they were flying due to disorientation.

(Related: Controversial F-22 Raptor suffers ‘class A’ accident during test flight)

According to the Panama City News Herald, Pierre Sprey who helped develop A-10 and F-16 jets said chemicals in the glue holding the “skin” of the F-22 are to blame:

According to Sprey, the Air Force has overlooked, or ignored, the potential stealth skin problems because it has not been able to test successfully for adhesive toxins in the pilot’s bloodstream. He said the Air Force doesn’t talk about the stealth adhesives because the chemical makeup of the compounds that make up the stealth skin are considered “classified information.”

The Air Force confirmed the stealth adhesive compound used in the F-22 is classified material and exclusive to the F-22, but it has downplayed Sprey’s accusations, saying the adhesives were included in a recent investigation into problems impacting F-22 pilots.

“We are aware of the theory regarding stealth coatings and other chemicals used in the production and maintenance of the F-22, and that has been rolled into our analysis,” said Heidi Davis, an Air Force spokeswoman.

Still, Sprey presses on with his theory, saying the government doesn’t want to reveal details of the glue, because it could result in a significant redesign on the already expensive stealth plane.

“The F-22 and the F-35 are three-fourths of the Air Force budget, and that is what is at stake,” he said to the News Herald.

Davis said that tests revealed a lack of toxins in the cockpit, air system and pilot’s blood, helping negate Sprey’s claim. Sprey, who left working for the Pentagon in the 1970s to work in the Johnson and Nixon administrations, said the chemical in the polyurethane he believes was used on the plane becomes released when it hits Mach 1.6 speeds. The News Herald also reports the Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry noting these types of chemicals react with the body quickly and could potentially be out of the pilots’ system before testing even took place.

Designer of A 10 and F 16 Jets Claims Toxic Glue is What is Causing Harmful Health Conditions in F 22s

(Photo: Wikimedia)

The News Herald also includes the perspective of the firm Bauman Rasor Group, which investigates federal fraud. Dina Rasor explained that she believes the military could be protecting Lockheed Martin as their relationship is “almost as if they were married.” She also said the mentality with the military over the F-22 is similar to the “circle the wagons” defense tactic.

Read even more specifics on this toxic glue theory in the News Herald here.

(H/T: Gizmodo)

Comments (79)

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  • babylonvi
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 10:37pm

    They really don’t care how they make these because they are the last manned planes the Air Force will produce, from now in it will be UAVs all the way.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 9:18am

      And fighter aircraft won’t need guns anymore because missiles can do the same job…..yup, that prophesy worked real good in Vietnam too….got a lot of people killed. Nice to see that the civilians are still trying to tell the military how to run it’s business.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 10:07am

      Yep! Back in the late 50‘s and into the 60’s, they thought the days of dogfigting were over.The early F-4′s had no internal gun and pilots were not trained in dogfighting. Vietnam opened our eyes.

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    • Belchfire V-8
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 10:01pm

      I spent the week at a fly in with my son and 2 of his friends that are Army chopper pilots. They have been brain washed into believing that the day of the fast moving fighter is over, even when we eventually go to war with China. Why do we have to reprove this every generation?

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    • dogmeat
      Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:36am

      ONE word for you. WRONG!

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    • Mr Sanders
      Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:51pm

      Until a solar flare hits the sat-net…. and a UAV will end up in someone’s backyard.

      If you take the human component away from war, and make it cold like the decisions of a logical machine, even if its driven by a man’s hand… we may end up losing more than we bargained for.

      I don’t want to send men/women to war whilst losing them in the process. War itself should be the last resort, the final comment and it should be the hardest decision to make; not the first and never made easy. War is terrible, horific for the players, their families, and the countries that are involved in the act of it. That’s why its called War – and if you’re going to play in this sandbox – you play to win!! But! If we remove these fine men/women from the front lines and ask machines [even possibly allowing machines to run us to war] to do the jobs because of our fear of losing someone in those acts, we are asking for a quicker victory or worse, a quicker defeat. Thus, the human component keeps us tied to the act…. the front-line pilot, human eyes that see other angles of an engagement, or need to go and chase a drone down before it strikes a ground target, foreign or domestic.

      War is hell.. for a reason. A pilot knows the risks of flying his ship but this issue needs to be fixed, pronto. I’m sorry, drones have their place but I STILL want a man in the best fighter in the world, in the cockpit, taking care of biz when it hits the fan.

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  • infidel907
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:22pm

    Its obvious the originator of this article hasnt the slighest clue about the F-22 Raptor in general or how low observable coating system works. With basic knowledge of the enviromental system he would be able to come to a logical conclusion that has nothing to do with the problem. His assumptions are way off the map, not even close.

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    • Salamander
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:57pm

      Please be aware than many volatile chemicals go through the skin like a screeen door! I’d imagine the pilots are fully suited, but would seem there is the potential for a confined space effect. I’m glad they are looking at all areas. I think the pilots are a crucial link and should be applauded for taking the step of trashing their career to bring attention to the problem.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 9:26pm

      My money is on the composites. The entire body of these planes is made of a composite material and if it is anything like any other composite material, that means it has resins in it. These resins are volatile organic compounds (usually) and they can take months or years to fully cure. By the way, that new car smell is the result of glues, resins, and plastics curing and releasing volatile organic compounds into your car’s interior. The same could be happening to these planes except these planes have an airtight cockpit, unlike the leaky car body. When at altitude, these planes can concentrate any noxious compound inside the cockpit and my guess is that it will continue until the birds are about 3 or 4 years new and then again every time they get re-skinned or overhauled.

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    • MRMANN
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 6:03am

      Call me paranoid, but is it perhaps possible that unbeknownst to themselves, these sickened pilots were unwitting lab rats of the Pentagon? I would not be surprised if this were true.

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    • G-WHIZ
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 1:13pm

      a“STEALTH” coating is on the outside of the plane-skin, which is aluminum, and very thick. It randomizes(as I would assume) the various sensing-waves from enemy equipment. Unless you physically see it, it’s “invisible” to all fancy equipment. Becayse it “randomizes” there is no “hole” of no-waves to show where it is not(an empty-spot in the sky). There is no way for the coating to get inside in any signifficant ammount , unless you have an extra paint-can of it inside for on-the-spot repairs. you are goeing twice thespeed of sound(or more) and any fumes are so-gone!

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    • infidel907
      Posted on June 24, 2012 at 3:43am

      I‘m just basing this off system’s knowledge of the F-22. I work around them daily, so my 1st post was pretty informed.

      If this toxic glue and composites were such as issue the people who maintain these systems daily and have hands on the systems and parts more than the pilots ever will would be dropping like fly’s. This isnt the case, and never has been.

      The F-22 has been flying for close to 15 years now, take that into consideration. This airframe isnt that new.

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  • Hickory
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:12pm

    Hmmmm, how can this happen when the oxygen for the pilot of the F22 comes from a special canister? Just askin’.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:19pm

      I have heard of many a pilot go to his jet early to suck up some of that pure O2 do cure a hangover.

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    • Old_Sac_Crewdog
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:57pm

      @Bomustgo LOL I used to do that occasionally :)

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    • EricAZ
      Posted on June 24, 2012 at 9:01am

      The F-22 like many other military aircraft have onboard oxygen generators vs the old green bottle of liquid oxygen of the past. The technology has been around for 20+ years and the vexing question is why it’s happening on the F-22 and not the others.

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  • miketype1each
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 3:21pm

    Awesome plane. Too bad about the toxic coatings.

    To Liz Klimas: The word “blackout”, as you used it above in paragraph one, doesn’t belong; “black out” is correct.

    Think of a backyard barbecue party, then imagine it in a back yard. “Blackout” is an adjective; “black out” describes what the pilot did.

    The glues used in the F-22 Raptor have reportedly caused blackout conditions for its pilots. The Air Force is looking into what causes F-22 pilots to black out during flights.

    Grammar. It’s not just for the mainstream media anymore.

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  • freelancer91
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:47pm

    Toxic glue….that’s what killed Susan Ross too….

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  • Dismayed Veteran
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:44pm

    My military career was spent close to Mother Earth. You couldn’t get me in one of those flying coffins for anything but I did love the sound of fast movers coming in.

    I hope that the causation of the is found and remedied. I think we may have some need when Russia and China start the p***ing match.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 9:02am

      Unfortunately, the last Raptor has already left the assembly line. We have less than 200 of these aircraft. And while the toxicity problem will be worked out eventually, the F-22 program was killed off by stretching out the developement too long, and then cutting off production just when the per aircraft price was starting to come down. It’s less effective replacement, the F-35 “Lightning II” is looking at a price of $220 million each and is not optimized for Air Superiority like the F-22. The Navy is already looking at an alternate type of design to replace it’s F/A-18 Super Hornets (which is what the F-35 was supposed to do). Do you suppose that maybe the Navy should take another look at the aircraft which lost to the F-22 (Northrops faster F-23 “Black Widow”) like it did with the aircraft which eventually turned into the F/A-18??? Remember that the F/A-18‘s prototype LOST the competition for the Air Force’s “lightweight fighter” competition but went on to become the Navy’s primary fighter/attack jet?

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  • Thinking Man
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:25pm

    Everybody thinks they are the experts. This guy is not even aware of the airplane configuration. All you have to do is look at the pictures above, and you can see he is talking out of turn. Read his history and you can see he is only going to add to the anti-F-22 nonsense.

    PS the only reason this kind of combat is considered out of style is because we have these airplanes. Go read about the F-4 shot down today in the middle east. Somebody thinks this kind of combat is still viable.

    As for out gassing or other items, we, the public, do not have enough information to make any of these calls. The flight data recorder will be a primary source of information, which I suspect is the reason they are calling it hypoxia type symptoms.

    Somebody needs to tell this guy, he did not design the F-16; General Dynamics did.

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    • Dustoff
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:45pm

      he did not design the F-16; General Dynamics did.
      ***************

      Bingo.

      Yet he said nothing about the F14/15/18.

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  • wordweaver
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:12pm

    I wonder if any of the tests they have done have been performed inflight above mach 1.6. Seems like this guy’s claims would be fairly easy to test. Of course, neither the maker nor the military is going to be happy if he is right. If the fuselage itself is creating toxic fumes at high speeds, then fixing the problem would seem to be costly.

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    • Thinking Man
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:27pm

      They are not going to waste money on this mans claims.He’s just an agitator.

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  • cal_105
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:09pm

    Could it be some of the Chinese counterfeit parts in the Plane?? I wonder if the Chinese are having similar problems in their clone or ripoff of our plane??

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    • miketype1each
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 3:32pm

      The Chinese copied the Northrop’s YF-23, the plane which lost the design competition to the YF-22 — now known as the Raptor.

      Read somewhere that the generals and Air Force chest-beaters chose the 22 because it looked, to them, like an airplane “should” look — or something like that. Looks like the Chinese will show us what the 23 could have been.

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  • Bro. Chuck
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:57pm

    If it’s anything like the adhesive used by roofers for rubber roof systems, I will attest to problems with vapors and sickness……

    Think contact cement….
    or that “glue” that was used to patch bicycle inner tubes…
    (yeah, i’m that old!) lol

    We replaced a roof at a shopping center store once, and the next morning when the rooftop fans kicked on, everyone inside went running for the doors….
    smelled like a chemical factory in there….
    and the smell diminished, but it still lingered for months!
    so just imagine the close confines of a fighter cockpit….

    The problem with those kinds of adhesives is that there is no way to ventilate or “air them out”…

    Pray our pilots stay safe, and that the higher ups realize the problem and come up with a fix before others get hurt…..

    Be Bless’d

    Bro. Chuck

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 9:06am

      I’m running into that same problem ith a new apartment I just moved into. And in the past in a new barracks I’d moved into while stationed overseas. Paint fumes can be a health hazzard….

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  • bigfatslob
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:52pm

    TheF-22 & F-35 are waaay cool planes, have the pilos suck it up & wear a andkerchief over their mouths, the bg sissies !

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 9:21am

      Oops! Too late…you opened your mouth and removed all doubt of your intelligence!

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  • rdk
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:48pm

    Is it more likely that the F-22 is so fast and elusive that flying it is at the edge of human endurance?

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  • Mr Sanders
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:48pm

    Complex polymers are toxic to produce, so breathing it can’t be good. I do have a question though. I don’t have the blueprints to the plane but, from a designer’s prospective, I would think this would be a top priority system to isolate so these types of incidents wouldn’t occur? But, when you think about it, the skin itself, not just the fabrication of the wings themselves, surround the pilot/occupant, and therefore the oxygen probe, if not mounted at the nose of the plane, would seem to ‘scoop’ in air/particulates/toxic gases from heated materials – makes sense.

    Another thought. Say the air probe is at midships. Logical since life support systems should be ‘tight-in’ toward the pilot, based on Mr. Sprey’s accertions, that ‘if’ its due to glues/polymers out-gasing at higher speeds then, ergo, the skin of the plane itself is degrading at those speeds? This would be a major issue! I wonder if they tested the skin, applied heat to simulate certain speeds/turning/banking/+/- G’s or prolonged high-speed flight?

    Machines can be built, pilots have the Right Stuff and cost to train is $1.43M – they are not expendable. Are we going to tell all the pilots “slow down” in a dogfight?! I DON”T THINK SO! 187 aircraft @ $74.8B or 10.34Days of debt servicing – IF the skin is viable then retrofit the air probe at the leading edge of the nose cone, IF its not made of the same materials, & upgrade air system. How much would that cost? Cheaper than losing pilots?!! Just sa

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    • Eff the Poor
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 3:58pm

      Look closely. There is no “probe”.

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    • Mr Sanders
      Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:10pm

      @EFF

      Understand there is no probe. I don’t, nor do I want, a schematic layout of the plane. Just trying to work the problem, suggest alternatives, and not complain as to ‘why’; someone suggests an issue, we don‘t know if that’s a viable theory or not but that’s what we got. Design, hey, that’s falls under the preview of the military, not the under the public domain.

      The ‘box’ can limit your vision… maybe a simplistic approach would work. But, with government spending, why not have two at twice the cost?

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  • TheCoffinMaker
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:47pm

    Drones will soon replace these planes.

    They’ll travel faster, go undetected, and keep our military personnel out of harms way.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:17pm

      …except they’ll become toxic not only for terrorists, but potentially American civilians as well if things don’t change in November.

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    • Mr Sanders
      Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:51pm

      Yes…. faster drones may be/will be… but…. what if the signal gets hacked and someone else gets control of drones? Machines only do what man tells them to do…. so far…. control systems have already been hacked and look where the drone is – in enemy hands… fantastic.

      No matter how fast, how far, how high, how long the mission, a man/woman should be at the helm/stick to commit or be able to act to recall an unwanted outcome.

      If its speed, then I guess we had better get to developing inertial dampening, because I for one, do not, want something to get out of hand just because ‘the machine did it”.

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  • soybomb315
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:37pm

    “The F-22 and the F-35 are three-fourths of the Air Force budget”

    If you needed ANY proof of the existence of the military-industrial complex, there it is. These are two planes that are operationally, practically worthless. As there are zero air-to-air threats and everything is air-to-ground related, these planes are not needed. But yet the pentagon keeps the gravy train rolling.

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    • US-First
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:01pm

      I’m sorry. What do you think suppresses the Air to Ground threat? That’s right and Air to Air threat. A smart military defensive strategy does not wait for Air to Ground threats to come with-in range of Ground to Air defenses. Controlling the sky with Air superiority fighters is the key to all military engagements since WWI. It is however unfortunate that which allows the USA to wage more strategic and precision targeted offensives thus limiting collateral damage. Our wars have become way to civil which is why we are constantly in them and they never end. The enemy is punished to precisely and their country never has to feel the effects of real war. If the entire country suffered it would stop ignorantly allowing terrorists and terrorist regimes to operate w/in its boarders.

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    • rob n ny
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:15pm

      First of all know what you are talking about. The F-35 IS a ground attack aircraft NOT an air superiority fighter. It can shoot down other aircraft, but that‘s not it’s role. Secondly, did you miss the Chinese J-20, as well as the Indo-Russian air superiority fighter not far behind? Should we wait until these are all in production and then expect to flip a switch? Are you really willing to risk our ability to protect national interests? Go ahead and bury your head in the sand and arrogantly assume that we will always have superior technology and equipment.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:20pm

      Soy,

      this was the similar thinking that convinced developers that air to air missiles were the future and that a gun on a fighter would never be needed again. Ask any F-4 Phantom pilot about it.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:36pm

      @military hawks

      Back to the point….3/4′s of the air force budget. Do you think these two planes are doing 3/4 of the Air Force’s work? Why do you think the A-10 became such a sought after plane after the Pentagon had dismissed it as an outdated plane? If you step back for a moment, you will realize that our military weapons are not determined by the generals, but by the politicians in Washington – who are controlled by the special interests in the industry.

      Rob, your head-in-the sand comments are rude. You don’t know me and you certainly don’t know what I am talking about. There is nobody close to our Air Force and if you knew about our systems, you would know the Chinese just steal whatever technology we invent. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lockheed Martin is selling them information. We need to find a way to unseat the military industrial complex. Of course, I call it the military industrial complex because that’s what Eisenhower called it. You want to ignore the advice of Eisenhower? Then you are the one with your head in the sand

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    • Lord_Frostwind
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:42pm

      While there is something to be said about the amount of money spent on these projects, weaponry development projects, especially ones such as this where a lot of the tech is cutting edge, typically have astronomical budgets.

      Call it the Military Industrial Complex if you want, but this is the result of the way Americans wage war. Since Vietnam the American people can’t stand wars with high casualty rates. As such, for the US Military to be successful, we have to outclass our enemies by such a monstrous margin that our casualties remain low. To your point, yes there is a more than friendly relationship with Lockheed and the Military, but I don’t know if there is any company that is able to produce these aircraft or something that would be a match for them.

      Now if costs are your concern, then you could probably go to updating the F-16s and other fighter fleets or building new ones, they are battle proven and incredibly good at what they do. The downside is that if you go to war with a major power, you’re probably going to lose more pilots than you would if you were using a next-gen fighter. It’s all a matter of balancing the costs versus the benefits.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 9:13am

      Here we have another good example of a civilian pacifist type who knows absolutely nothing of how a war is waged, but yet is willing to do away with the very equipment that would keep him from every having to experience a war in his back yard. I guess we’ll all just have to go over to his backyard, gather in a circle while holding hands and sing kumbaya….and all the bad guys of the world will just ignore us???

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  • ivedonebeensassedbyawhore
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:35pm

    I live in Destin, FL, and sport fish in the Gulf. We see the 22′s all the time, out of both Eglin, and Tyndal AFB…. Sometimes at low level… Holy Cow, those things are bad azz…. Can you imagine being on the wrong side of one of those things?

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  • copatriots
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:28pm

    I’m guessing the glue comes from China……..

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    • Mr Sanders
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:59pm

      That’s very good!! Lead and other radioactive, low-grade isotope paints on toys that children put in their mouths. Melamine in dog/cat food, vegetables, and the list goes on…. very good!!!

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    • crackerone
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 10:29pm

      Yep, right beside the factory, that makes Chinese drywall.

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  • forthepeople
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:27pm

    Why do all problems boil down to money in the end ?

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  • calyptratus
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:26pm

    Definately BOSTIK glue

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  • BlackCrow
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:14pm

    Lowest bidder.

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  • PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:04pm

    When God’s judgment is implemented by China or Russia and God assists, it won’t even take glue to bring down F-22′s.

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  • bpost58
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 12:47pm

    It chaffs my butt when the Military hides this kind of problem. Find the issue and fix it, reward the pilots that refuse to fly it until it is FIXED. Why hide issues with weapon systems; could it be the waste of money the corruption and graft would sink some careers and send a few to prison???????????

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    • Mike N
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:05pm

      Would the Air Force rather fix the problem, or have their pilots jettison from the planes at the onset of delirium?

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    • Thinking Man
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:30pm

      They are not hiding anything. Stop automatically assuming bad things.

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  • madderg
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 12:43pm

    Make the air system a closed system, a pressurizable CO2 scrubber and O2 generator.

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    • Mr Sanders
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:12pm

      This seems like a plausible, short-run, fix?

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    • infidel907
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:08pm

      Its a closed system without going into details. I do know the details.

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    • docgreen
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 9:07pm

      It sounds to me like they have looked at the oxygen system. I’d be curious to see if it happens in turns, at what speeds and stuff like that. If they do have an enclosed oxygen system, how does the fumes get into it? I thought those masks were fairly tight seals? I’d be more apt to think maybe its the stresses on the body, causing the blackouts or something like that. Whatever it is its a real P_sser of a headache! It could be anything really, but I‘m sure we’ll never hear about the real problem. Is it possible its just too much for the body to handle?

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    • ScienceIsNotEvil
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 11:35pm

      infidel907

      If you know the details then you also know that you aren’t even to mention that much to anyone not so cleared. If you are so willing to break your loyalty oath why should anyone on here listen to you?

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 12:43pm

    Hey Lockheed Martin, the idea is to kill their pilots, not ours. Did you miss that memo?

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 12:37pm

    Was there not similiar problems among the developers of the Stealth fighter? I recall a story or series of them on the news concerning the chemicals used for the stealth defenses making people who worked on them sick, nausious and so forth.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:15pm

      I wonder if this glue is anything like Phenolic resins? Made with Phenol, Formaldehyde, and Sodium Hydroxide.I am making such a resin now here at work.

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