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It Could Get Tougher for Parents to Opt Children Out of Vaccines in Calif.

Calif. Senate Passes Bill That Would Require Parents to Meet With Doctors Before Getting Vaccine Exemptions for Kids

(Photo: AP/Alexander F. Yuan)

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate? This has been a long debated question, and as children head back to school and parents are required to present proof of vaccination or an exemption slip to enroll them, it is a hot topic this time of year.

Some worry about the long-term effects of vaccines on children and cite parents’ rights and beliefs as a reason to opt out, while many health officials push for vaccines to prevent outbreaks of harmful childhood diseases. With the debate, state governments have looked into the exemption process with some adding some extra steps for parents hoping to avoid vaccinating their children.

California is the latest to join these ranks. This week, the California Senate passed AB 2109, a bill that would require parents to meet with a physician to discuss the risks before being granted a vaccination exemption for their child. KQED reports the bill’s sponsor, who is also a pediatrician, Richard Pan saying the bill doesn’t mandate vaccination or take away parents rights but more simply makes sure parents are making an “informed decision”:

“Parents become uncertain. They’re not sure what they should do,” he told [KQED] in an interview. “They’re being told their children should be immunized but at the same time, they’re seeing scary stuff out on the internet.”

Opponents of the bill, KQED reports, believe this extra step will add to healthcare costs and still infringes on parental rights.

Democratic Sen. Lois Wolk of Davis said it’s a matter of public health and the waivers could be obtained during routine visits.

Washington State, which instituted a similar requirement in the exemption process last year, is reporting this week that fewer parents are opting their children out of vaccines now. KPLU reports that just two years ago the state had the highest number of parents deciding not to vaccinate. Now, Washington falls in eighth in the country for exemptions.

Overall, a recent report by the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention released this week, found the number of vaccinated kindergarteners in the 2011-2012 school year met the federal government’s target. At the same time though, US News and World Report states the number of exemptions, according to the CDC, has risen slightly, with Arkansas seeing the largest increase of parents opting out.

As for AB 2109 moving forward. The bill will head back to the full Assembly for a final vote and from there would need to be signed or vetoed by the governor within 30 days.

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The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Comments (98)

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  • FundamentalistChristian
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:48am

    Science (from Latin scientia, meaning “knowledge”) is relative to what we know on observational testable material. I agree that it appears that many more adolescents are surviving now. You can‘t read about a famous person in the 1800s that didn’t loose a sibling, mother, father, ect… to some sort of “preventable” disease.

    The problem is that there is no way to know for sure of the effect of immunizations as the ingredients change without long term, un-biased study. I don’t think any of us can be sure.

    The bottom in is that God in is control not humans. If someone doesn’t want to vaccinate there children, they should have the option/freedom to refuse regardless of any individual, the mainstream scientific community, or the Government believes. The fundamental question is whether God is on control or people.

    If you think people are in control than you are going to jump up and down mad that someone is putting your children at risk when they choose not to vaccinate and you will naturally trend toward the good of the collective world view.

    If you believe God is control, you will say your prayers and be comfortable with your decision either way. You trend toward individualism where people have the freedom to make there own choices regardless of the perceived affect on the collective.

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    • Locked
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 10:23am

      I love God, but if my child was dying of a curable disease, I would not only trust Him to save my child. I would take him to a doctor.

      I love God, but I think that’s why He gave us humans knowledge. To use it to better our mortal existence. I don’t think we were given knowledge to just scoff at it when it could save our lives.

      Here’s an argument for you: vaccinate your child. If you’re one of those who think that it causes autism (without ANY scientific basis, mind you), then just leave that chance to God. You end up helping your entire society, drastically lower the chances of your child dying from a preventable disease, and still get to say you left it in God’s hands.

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    • Abigail Adams
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:40pm

      There IS scientific proof that vaccines cause Autism. And there are far too many families who have children harmed by routine vaccinations that have thief stories suppressed.
      Vaccinations for children in Africa is on the rise. Suddenly, for the first time, so is Autism.
      Do your research. Not everything on the Internet is true. But not everything the government is true, either. The Government will keep repeating the lie, “there is no scientific evidence showing vaccines can cause Autism.” in hopes that enough people will believe it.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:47pm

      Why do they vaccinate for chickenpox these days??? From what i read, it isnt even a complete vaccination because you have to get a booster at age 10 or something

      pathetic

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 11:02pm

      A CALIFORNIA IRON CURTAIN COMING SOON.

      Parents will just have to more out of California for their kids sake. Imagine America will now have DISPLACED PERSONS (DPs) attempting to save their children from a Rogue Government dangerous mandated vaccine. California may construct an Iron Curtain to prevent people form leaving without their shots.

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    • WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges12
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 11:35pm

      If you live in a NAZI GERMANY and they ORDER YOU to have your child injected with PROVEN DANGEROUS liquid … would you fight them? Or would you move away? Or would you hand your child over?

      “Bill Gates Oral Polio Vaccine Cripples 47,500 Children”
      http://www.infowars.com/bill-gates-oral-polio-vaccine-cripples-47500-children/

      “Vaccines Are Bad For You” – “H1N1 swine flu vaccination campaign in the United States”
      http://organichealthadviser.com/archives/vaccines-are-bad-for-you

      “Measles Vaccination Kills Two Kids”
      http://experimentalvaccines.blogspot.com/2012/06/measles-vaccination-kills-two-kids.html

      Care to think about it a little more … ?

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    • adeleeeee
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 2:20am

      @LOCKED
      No intention for arguing if you should vaccine your child or not, I want to address the BIG idea on SCIEMCE: this is a knowledge about the approximation. To a little bit more detail, it start with a careful and conscientious assumptions then with a logic and reasonable arguement/methodology, it leads to a vague conclusion carries with error. Largely, conclusions of medical study are based on statistical analysis and a study of statistics gives you mathematical model to describe your study but carries with causion of error. I think this is the truth about science not lots of people realize.

      Science today becomes god that ppl worship and cannot cast any doubt. Nothing in the world can replace the role of parents… and this report shows how people see science wrongly and what the world will head to…

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  • alpha2omega47
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:42am

    California is a bankrupt Socialist state. You Californians are merely government sheep ~ all penned up and at the mercy of government corruption and tyranny. Keep voting for liberal Democrats (Progressives) and it won’t be much longer until you have no say-so about anything ~ you poor fools.

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    • rsletto
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 12:21am

      I was born and raised in California and still live here. I love the land here but you know what I have NEVER agreed with any liberal politics. There are many of us tea party people here so don’t just clump us all together and call us idiots.

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  • lisa2994
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:33am

    Do not give your children these vaccines. I just watched a story not too long ago about them wanting to force people to get vaccinations. These vaccinations are more harmful to your children’s health than anything else. I do not get the flu shots when they give them every year and I have thankfully never had the flu. Don’t do it folks.

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    • lisa2994
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:56am

      Of course every coworker of mine that has them ends up sick with the flu. Go figure and this happens every year and everytime they do it!

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  • myway
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 8:34am

    Vaccinations for illegals should be a law and we should demand them at all road side stops when we check their papers. Train the police to vaccinate. If you can make a phony birth certificate you can make up a vaccine chart. California and NY have passed laws to screw themselves.

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    • oldguy77
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:05am

      They sneak into this country,cannot speak the language,and try to stay under the radar of the law and you really think they are going to get their kids vaccinated?Get real.

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  • XdemXrepub
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 8:03am

    the highest priority for getting vaccinated should be anyone here from another country.the highest priority of this group should be illegals and their children, after Mayor Bloomberg rounds them up.

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  • Bruce P.
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:37am

    You cannot be anti-vaccer and pro-life.

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 8:02am

      A lot of the trepedation is because the parents just do not trust the govt anymore. They hear stories about NWO goons plotting to secretly euthanize billions of people to return the planet population to 500 million or less. The govt lets hundreds of thousands of dirty third world rejects pour into our country with all kinds of new diseases, then forces immunizations on the natural born citizens. When the govt gets to the point of owning your kids more than you do, it is time to fight.

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  • AllLost
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:15am

    Abortion is all about a woman’s right to her body…LOL. Freedom thy name means little today.

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  • PaxInVeritate
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:36am

    If you are wondering why the Bill is title “AB 2109”, it‘s because that’s how many bills have been presented this year alone. The Progressives are saturating the legislature with so many bills that the “representatives” can’t read them all and end up passing bad laws which bleeds the citizen even more.

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  • Kupo
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:32am

    Funny, this meet and greet with the physician for making sure the parent makes an “informed decision” looks a lot like the proposed legislation for requiring an ultrasound prior to an abortion, yet I am sure that these Californians are completely okay with the vaccination mandate but are 100% against required ultrasounds.

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    • 502_eagle
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:13am

      Yeh I was thinking the same thing. Can’t have people making an informed decision abortion.

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  • FROTHYDISCHARGE
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 5:58am

    There is credible study that links autism to vaccinations. End of story. I know science is much harder to understand than just googleing a bunch of crap but I suggest you look into TEXT BOOKS that have been gathering knowledge for thousands of year rather than Jenny McCarthey. And to they people that suggest doctors have some sinister goal treating are children I invite you to go make the sacrifice it takes to become a doctor and treat your self how ever the hell you want

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:08am

      I think you mean “NO” credible study.

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 8:05am

      HEy FROTH, do you mean the text books that are written and shoved down our throats by a bunch of govt loving prog commies? Those books?

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    • FROTHYDISCHARGE
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:19am

      Thanks Bruce P. I meant there is no study. The only study that was published was in the Lancelet Journal and that author was paid by trial lawyers and then thrown in the garbage. I wrote that after a night shift injecting kids with microchips from the government. And to the other dufus I’m talking about scientific text, data, history ect. I know it’s not as fun and exciting as infowars but learning facts can be fun.

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  • RobertC21
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 5:42am

    Time to move

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  • RobertC21
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 5:42am

    Time to move to a near by state….

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  • Bugleboy99
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 4:31am

    Do you really trust the government and it’s agencies? Have they shown themselves to be trustworthy? How about the CDC and AMA? Based on their judgment will you hold out your arm and allow them to inject into it with whatever they say is for your own good? No questions asked? Do you think there is a possibility you and yours could be harmed by these vaccines? Consider the possibility of big pharma making billions on these vaccines and that being the real motive for trying to FORCE them on everyone. Or do you really think they are doing this for everyone’s good? When do you say enough? Think!

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:34am

      I trust science and the science is sound.

      THINK!

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    • 502_eagle
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:20am

      Science once said the sun is bad for you.
      Science now says the sun is good for you.

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    • FundamentalistChristian
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:34am

      Science (from Latin scientia, meaning “knowledge”) is relative to what we know on observational testable material. I agree that it appears that many more adolescents are surviving now. You can‘t read about a famous person in the 1800s that didn’t loose a sibling, mother, father, ect… to some sort of “preventable” disease.

      The problem is that there is no way to know for sure of the effect of immunizations as the ingredients change without long term, un-biased study. I don’t think any of us can be sure.

      The bottom in is that God in is control not humans. If someone doesn’t want to vaccinate there children, they should have the option/freedom to refuse regardless of any individual, the mainstream scientific community, or the Government believes. The fundamental question is whether God is on control or people.

      If you think people are in control than you are going to jump up and down mad that someone is putting your children at risk when they choose not to vaccinate and you will naturally trend toward the good of the collective world view.

      If you believe God is control, you will say your prayers and be comfortable with your decision either way. You trend toward individualism where people have the freedom to make there own choices regardless of the perceived affect on the collective.

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    • Darlie
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 12:55am

      @Bruce- In my lifetime, science has claimed: eggs are bad for you, pasta will make you skinny, you can get aids from a drinking fountain, the Swine flu shot prevents miscarriage (scores of women miscarried as a result), drs. must dole out antibiotics, drs. must almost never give antibiotics, allergies are caused by cat dander, the levies in NO would hold, coffee is bad for you, coffee is good for you. Go ahead and trust science…

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  • RamonPreston
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 4:02am

    My first daugther died from SIDS when she was six weeks olds…the age when they start giving vaccinations. The pediatricians are killing our children and the AMA is quietly standing by while they do it. The government is pushing this on the parents: no vaccinations, no school. The NWO wants to thin the herd anyways.
    BTW: They think that some cancers are caused by the vaccines we received as kids. I’ll take my chances and skip the shots.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:13am

      RAMON, I am sorry for your loss. A parent myself, I cannot imagine your horror or pain.

      That being said, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Your claims make no sense. If the NWO wanted to “thin the herd” as you said, why would they “force” us to take vaccines that prevent diseases that would do just that?

      Even IF (and that is a huge “if,” as there is not a single credible study that shown the claims of the anti-vaccers to be valid) vaccines have rare side-effects, there are far fewer children who would suffer those side-effects than who would suffer these diseases without the vaccine.

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    • Darlie
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 12:44am

      Ramon, I am terribly sorry for your loss. I am also sorry that someone would be do rude as to try to call you out on what what you know to be true about your own darling daughter’s death. It is a tragedy a friend of mine also experienced. My youngest son got the red measles due to the illegal population in our area. He did well and recovered quickly. However, my other son, after his mmr vaccine had a very autistic reaction. It took 15 years of his life to recover from the hearing disruption, loss of coordination and sudden inability to speak. I can’t tell you the tears and prayers that went into his recovery from 1 vaccine. Children are created as individual as the stars. When we treat them with a 1-size-fits-all approach, we get into these deadly, sorrow-filled positions.

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  • The-Monk
    Posted on August 26, 2012 at 3:07am

    “It Could Get Tougher for Parents to Opt Children Out of Vaccines in Calif.”

    I‘m surprised that parents don’t “opt out” of the Ca education system. Well, not really surprised since most are progressive liberals. Have a nice day Ca parents and may your Children grow up to be Tea Party supporters and move out of Ca.

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  • The Big Mick
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:55pm

    I have an Autistic son, I can speak to this. There ARE no “peer review studies” as “LOCKED” demanded, on the EFFECTS of the DOZENS of Vaccines they stick into INFANTS because in order to DO such a “double blind” study you would have to have AN UNVACCINATED CONTROL GROUP! Not only does that offend the “collective safety” “greater good” ethic, according to one Doc I know, it would be “unethical”. ???
    So they BUY their HERD SAFETY at the COST of kids like my son who were at greater genetic risk.
    The ‘good of the many” is UNFAIRLY balanced on the backs of A FEW. They COULD do such studies using 2nd children of Autism Families who, knowing their increased risk for Autism, would gladly risk, Measles, BUT THEY WON’T DO IT! You see the Scam. They ASSUME that all the side effects of all these vaccines CAN‘T be worse than say a Measles’ epidemic. ASSUME! THEY REALLY DON’T KNOW WHAT these things do in these combinations, frequency, and how early.
    One also notes that “anecdotal evidence” is just FINE with the Medicos when talking about “sexual orientation” but NOT with AUTISM. With Autism the Morons who tried to get us to buy “frigid mom” are NOW trying to scam us with “better record keeping” to explain the Autism EPIDEMIC! THIS is why the give STD vaccines to INFANTS, they got em CAPTIVE, the actual teen SLUTS are harder to GET AT!
    Genetic Risk with EVIRONMENTAL TRIGGER says my son’s Autism Doctor at UVA!
    You want the da mn, studies, locked? SO DO I—

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    • AZ Walt
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:38am

      Yep!

      1) We also have an autistic son, now physically 41, whose’s autism is directly linked to his receiving DTP vaccination when he was 6 months old and with in hours started having seisures.

      2) If I lived in a state that “mandated” vaccinations, I would move out of that state ASAP!

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    • Locked
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 8:41am

      I am sorry for your autistic children, but you realize that without any data AT ALL to back up your claims, you have no ground on which to stand?

      The ONLY study about autism and vaccinations was done in a completely unscientific and biased manner by Andrew Wakefield in 1998. Every single investigation into it was found to be fraudulent: the autistic children he “studied” were recruited by a law firm looking to sue the creators of the MMR vaccine, and paid Wakefield almost half a million pounds to write his paper (which, not surprisingly, he failed to disclose until the fact came out in court).

      Not one single paper has ever reproduced his results. Your children are in an unfortunate situation, but there is zero evidence that it is because of vaccines.

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  • Tigress1
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:12am

    The concept sounds like Spock on Star Trek: “The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one.” Totally Socialistic. At first glance that sounds wonderful, unless that “one” happens to be your child. If they have the science to develop these vaccines, they also should have the science to determine which children will have adverse reactions to the vaccines. Frankly, I’m tired of sacrificing the “one”. Instead of wasting millions of tax dollars on GSA conventions, etc. we should do something useful with it!

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:20am

      I don’t think this would have become such a national problem if it weren’t for the department of education…..

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:27am

      Science has determined if the vaccines cause the side-effects the anti-vaccers claim.

      It is a resounding no. The anti-vaccers have absolutely nothing to back them up expect very poor, unscientific claims.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:35am

      TIGRESS — so what you are saying is that the many should be sacrificed due to the fear of one?

      How is that not socialistic?

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    • Tigress1
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:39pm

      BruceP. I’m saying that parents should have a CHOICE. (Isn‘t that what all these women’s libbers want?) I support vaccinations for the most part, but parents are the ones in charge, not the government. The government should not force parents to take any risks with their children unless they choose to do so. If you want your child to have a vaccination against a particular disease, then do so. Your child is no longer at risk from the unvaccinated children, right? So what’s it to you if another parent decides to take the risk NOT to vaccinate? FREEDOM is never Socialistic.

      I know of a little kid who was sick for 3 weeks after being given 8 vaccinations at one time before entering school. I don’t know why the doctor decided to give that many at one time (or if the school required it), but it was sad.

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  • watersRpeople
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:59am

    Ninety Nine percent of parents don’t really care enough to lay it on the line. If they would be that sort, they would have drawn a line in the sand a long time ago. The parents of today are just like the child they have – the child will bump heads with the parent questioning the parents authority – the parent will severely scold the child saying “How dare you question me.” The government will treat the parents the same way – and the children will be vaccinated.

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  • right field
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:54am

    Parents are required to enroll their children in school and the taxpayers are required to “support” the public funding of schools – both good ideas for a society that seeks freedom and prosperity.
    However, there also happens to be a protection in the US Constitution that allows for freedom of religion. The tough legal questions are found in the balance of rights – Once again, Federal jurisdiction over public health issues is derived from the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution, just like the Obama-Tax-Care Supreme Court decision.
    Unless there’s a valid objection or medical reason, children who haven‘t gotten the required immunizations won’t be allowed to attend school. Knowledge of all state laws and regulations and having a legal team to advise and represent you will be required if any parent hopes to avoid mandatory vaccinations as a condition of school attendance.

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  • Dismayed Veteran
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:43am

    As a military dependent, I had the full range of vaccinations, including the international and country specific series. As a soldeir I had them again. I am 64 and in good health. This means I was in the first round of vaccinations unlike many civilian dependents.

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  • hi
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:25am

    http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccines.htm

    Many vaccines are cultivated in aborted fetal cells It is unethical and injecting human proteins into children could cause auto-immune diseases. Above is a list of vaccines made from human diploid cells such as rubella and HPV.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:29am

      wow

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:21am

      Once again, HI has no idea what she is talking about. She has given in to alarmism and is not telling us the whole story.

      http://autism.about.com/od/medicalissuesandautis1/f/vaxfetal.htm

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:25am

      And many vaccines, such as MMR, while they were originally cultivated from fetal cells (no abortions was done to obtain the cells; rather, the tissue was donated after the abortion, we do not know the reasons the abortion took place. Nor do the vaccines contain human tissue…), these vaccines have PREVENTED more abortions from happening, as rubella can cause deformities in utero.

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  • nzkiwi
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:23am

    There is substantial anecdotal evidence that some vaccines cause severe problems in a very few recipients.

    Having given this a bit of thought, I think that, despite what they say, governments suspect that this to be true but consider that blanket immunisation to be the greater good. Therefore, they consider a tiny number of tragic results to be acceptable collateral damage.

    Parents have the total right to weigh up the risks and benefits for their offspring. No government should coerce them from the ivory tower, and to do so is to treat their citizens with contempt.

    Unfortunately, that is becoming the norm these days.

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    • Locked
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:00am

      “There is substantial anecdotal evidence that some vaccines cause severe problems in a very few recipients.”

      You may disagree, but combining “substantial” and “anecdotal” is like saying “it’s a very dry puddle.” It’s either one or the other.

      I believe a proper phrasing might be: There is anecdotal evidence, but it has never been substantiated through any actual peer-reviewed study.

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    • nzkiwi
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:58pm

      You seem to be confusing “substantial” which is similar to “a lot of”, and “substantiated” which is similar to “proven”. In other words, the phrase could read “… a lot of anecdotal…”

      The words are close in spelling but completely different in meaning. I think that if you check your dictionary will will find that my use of the word is correct.

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:19am

    One thing i have NEVER understood…..

    If you vaccinate your child, then an unvaccinated child should pose ZERO risk to your child. Right?

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    • THXll38
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:29am

      That’s a good question. I am not sure, but if some lame ass parent decided not to vaccinate their child and they infect other children, the parents should be held liable and be charged accordingly.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:35am

      are people held liable and charged for spreading flu virus?

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:36am

      and perhaps you should be charging the vaccine manufacturer for selling you a faulty vaccine

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    • Locked
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:04am

      But an unvaccinated child causes problems for other unvaccinated children, and those who are not school children and never got the vaccine.

      In my opinion the only exemption should be made for those with known allergies to vaccines or for those whose religion specifically forbids medicine of any kind. I’m definitely a small-government conservative, but this is one of those few times when we can say “this benefits humankind overall and is worth it.” I put vaccination right up there with solid infrastructure as being key to a thriving economy and country, and a valid use of our tax money.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:14am

      If unvaccinated children only pose a risk to other unvaccinated children, then it seems there is NO ISSUE since both parents are accepting the inherent risk that comes along with it. What business is it of the government to tell parents what kind of health their kids shall have? Should we start arresting parents who take their kids to McDonalds???

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    • The Big Mick
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:03pm

      One would inquire of TXL how an unvaccinated child COULD infect others if the others WERE vaccinated. And if they are infecting other UNvaccinateds then aren’t THOSE unvaccinateds JUST as RESPONSIBLE and Accountable? So on what basis would they SUE? ALL the unvaccinateds TOOK the SAME RISK.
      No this is all about getting the magic 90% or whatever it is threshold that keeps the disease “under control.”
      ALL are FORCED because of the fear that a significant number will OPT OUT.
      At bottom it is a COLLECTIVIST Demand and Principle.
      The Collective CANNOT tolerate Individual Freedom on ANY issue, CANNOT!
      This is why all of you who think you can COEXIST with Collectivists are in DENIAL.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:33am

      SOYBOMB — “If you vaccinate your child, then an unvaccinated child should pose ZERO risk to your child. Right?”

      You are correct, however, there are several other factors to consider.

      People with immune-disorders, child or adult, are at risk from the unvaccinated. A person may be vaccinated but if their immune system becomes suppressed later, they will be at risk.

      Also, it depends on the age of the child. You said that if unvaccinated children are only a risk to unvaccinated children, we should not be concerned. However, that is not true at all. Infants, too young yet to receive the vaccines, are at risk. A parent may want to have their infant vaccinated, but until they are old enough, parents who decide not to vaccinate their own children put that infant at risk.

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    • Darlie
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 12:48am

      @Locked- Sadly, you do not know your child is “allergic” or sensitive to the vaccine until it is too late. A child might tolerate 1 or 2, and then not tolerate the next 1. Sadly, by that point you have inflicted life-long, heartbreaking damage.

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  • BlackCrow
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:15am

    Government knows best. Time to “opt out” of California before the whole state declares bankruptcy .

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  • mtsnj
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:10am

    It’s a parents choice not government. If they were so safe why in the back of the PDR, Physicians Desk Reference is their a VAERS Vaccine Event Reporting System, that physicians are suppose to report adverse events..Because they are not totally safe. The effects on the many outweight the damage done to the few is complete BS. Hold drug companies completely accountable and you’ll have safer vaccines.

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