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‘It Is Inappropriate’: Anger After UConn Includes Pledge of Allegiance Before Sports Games

UConn Implements Pledge of Allegiance Amid Debate at Sporting Games

Atheists and radical church-state separatists have taken particular offense to the continued uttering of the Pledge of Allegiance. To these individuals, the words “under God” have no place in the public square, even when utterances are voluntary in nature.

Now, there’s a new epicenter in the debate over the Pledge. Following the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks, the University of Connecticut’s interim athletic director, Paul Pendergast, decided to add the recitation as a viable way for individuals to remember both the nation and U.S. troops. Following his decision, the Pledge was first uttered after a home football game on September 16 and the response was so positive that it was extended to all football and basketball games.

Geno Auriemma, UConn‘s women’s basketball coach, agrees with the decision to include it and has been open about his support for saying the Pledge. ”It’s like anything else, you’re gonna have people that complain about it and people that love it,” he said at a press conference last week. “And then you have the wackos that say ‘well we shouldn’t bring God into this,‘ because you have to say ’one nation under God’ right?”

The decision, which has now led to the Pledge being uttered before most athletic games, is angering fans who believe the action violates the nation’s separation of church and state sentiment. Others claim that it puts non-American athletes in an unfair position — even though these individuals are obviously studying on U.S. soil and can opt out of pledging any allegiance to the country.

The New York Times has more about the debate:

An online poll conducted by The Hartford Courant indicated that respondents were more than 2 to 1 in favor of reciting the pledge, while a smaller poll on a UConn fan Web site was nearly 2 to 1 against it. Interviews with more than a dozen fans who attended Saturday’s game showed a nearly 50-50 split.

UConn Implements Pledge of Allegiance Amid Debate at Sporting GamesBut when WTNH-TV went looking for those who may stand opposed to the Pledge, it took them sifting through 18 people before they found someone who refused to partake in it.

“I think it is a bit much. I am as patriotic as the next guy, but it is inappropriate,” said Ron Masiero, the man who stands opposed to the change. “It’s a sporting event, I come here to enjoy the basketball game.” Masiero, of course, was the 18th guy.

Others, though, showed their support for the measure. ”Some people say because it has the words ‘under God’ in it we shouldn’t be saying it,” said fan Bill Strand. “I disagree with that. We are a country that was built under God and I’ll die that way.”

“If you don’t believe in God, don’t say anything. If you do, say the Pledge of Allegiance,” added Newton Schievel. Another person said that if people don’t like the Pledge being said, they can “find another country.”

Some legal experts, though they may personally disagree, claim that the university is within legal bounds — so long as the pledge remains optional.

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:34pm

    You may notice that since the advent of the obama regime the atheists and the radical gays have been much more active. They know that if they are goling to try and make more inroads into destroying the nation they have a limited time to do it. They have until the little marxist is voted out of office. Both of these weirded out groups are very far from the midstream and very minimal in numbers. They are not sane. THey shouold be treated as such.

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    • This_Individual
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:12pm

      “You may notice that since the advent of the obama regime the atheists and the radical gays have been much more active”
      Because they are socialists hiding behind their “magic cause mask” I know socialists VERY well. They use causes to justify their means, such as the self proclaimed “Christian socialists” used Christianity to further their goals of militant socialism. Many of whom post here often.

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  • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:30pm

    How about at the “under God” part, we all just say whatever we believe. “under Allah” “under Jehovah”
    “under money” “under mounting debt” “under science”

    Christians don’t own the pledge, they just horned their way in on it.

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    • jzs
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:05pm

      One nation, underwater, underfed, underpaid, under the influence, under the weather, under age, underwear… Say anything.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:15pm

      Shupp
      why don‘t you offer that advice to them and maybe they’ll drop the “under god” part which is the only part that people ever complain about. Christians are all about indoctrinating children and persecuting those who believe differently. They are appalled if some teacher is teaching kids something they don’t hold as a belief and they want that teacher fired. They love big government when it supports them and hate big government when it shows that same support for something they disagree with. I‘m TIRED of having laws passed that reflect christian beliefs and i’m TIRED of jesus freaks looking at and talking to me like they pity me and they know something I don’t. Time for them to feel the persecution that they’ve been dishing out for centuries.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:16pm

      How about Americans stop genuflecting to every sniveling whiner?

      Our culture is, or has been, inclusive of what represents us. Today our constitution WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZED except when it is used to subvert our culture and the liberties of others. Our entire founding has been turned upside down. (upside down and inside out… now where have I heard the before… I’ll get back to you on that)

      Americans, if there really is such a thing any more, do not have the courage to stand. Generally speaking, of course. I wouldn‘t want to be ’inclusive‘ of dissenters who believe they are ’Americans‘ but won’t allow others the liberty they claim to ‘support’.

      “Americans” have to call out these charlatans who claim to ‘love’ America but can’t see it in their tiny black hearts to permit others their expressions, however (peacefully) they choose to do so.

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    • AOL_REFUGEE
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:17pm

      These whiners should go F themselves.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:26pm

      …And ignore history?

      “And Whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectively represent in Congress, to approve of, and to authorize us to ratify the said articles of confederation and perpetual union… In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands in Congress. Done at Philadelphia in the State of Pennsylvania the ninth Day of July in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven Hundred and Seventy-eight, and in the Third Year of the independence of America.” Articles of Confederation

      “The General is sorry to be informed —, that the foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing, a vice heretofore little known in an American army, is growing into a fashion; — he hopes the officers will, by example as well as influence, endeavor to check it, and that both they and the men will reflect that we can have little hope of the blessing of Heaven on our arms, if we insult it by impiety and folly; added to this, it is a vice so mean and low, without any temptation, that every man of sense and character detests and despises it.” Extract from the Orderly Book of the army under command of Washington, dated at Head Quarters, in the city of New York (3 August 1770)

      “The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country.” General Order, (9 July 1776) George Washington

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    • KAdams
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:42pm

      @Quotin’

      What laws were passed (LATELY) that were Christian? You indicate you are TIRED of those laws…. please let me know which ones, since to be ‘tired of them’, there must be quite a few that have been passed. Please give me some examples.

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    • Shupp
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:52pm

      1.) I have signed petitions from my athiest friends. sadly I highly doubt they put it to good enough use or if it even hit the ears of the elected official it was aimed at.

      2.) You obviously know nothing about the base religion of Christianity. Christians are brought up just like any other religious group. The parents teach or (as you like to word play spin) indoctrinate their children the values they wish and believe them to have to make them a better person. I am going out on a limb here and guessing your an athiest…(sorry if i am wrong) but I would imagine you would teach your child your lack of belief in my magical sky person. As for persecuting….people who do not prescribe to their belief…well no. Not since my Roman Catholic Church of old had its battle with the splinter groups during the reformation did they do this. Sadly I regret that people such as yourself still hold this view. And base your ignorant beliefs and thoughts on this history instead of opening your eyes to the world of Christians and other religions around you.

      3.) Xtian Groups speak out about school subjects, since this is the one you picked because they are calling the reverse racism/discrimination as they call it. You have two sides of the arguement…and remember that always. Please. First side is the “evolutionist” side. Or scientifc side ( one i prescribe to while still holding my religion mind you). This is taught in our school systems supposedly under the “state”.

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    • Shupp
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:59pm

      Continuted:
      Educational institutes are state property according to most people. So therefore under the State religion seperation act the belief in god did anything can not be taught. However, the “free/ progressive” groups go steps further than needed to push their own agenda and whether or not they want to call it that, belief/religion into the state institute. So yes when a teacher counter acts the teachings of a parent to their child a parent has the right to call foul. Example: parent teaches child god created things…teacher tells child parents lie god does not exist.” thats reverse discrimination. So foul calling is allowed for both sides if one is allowed at all. Fair play and all that.

      4.) as for big gov‘t i can’t answer for all xtians but personally christianity has nothing to do with big government. so yeah……

      5. ) as for being persecuted as you like to call it. I don’t like born agains or as you like to call them “jesus freaks” having pity on me either. If you feel so inclined as to get offended for someone caring about your soul or well being then speak up in a respectful manner. Say something. And walk away. First A rights go both ways. As for your jesus laws. Well sadly that is affected by the people that are elected. If people who are elected held true to their job they would not inject their religion into the laws but only allow their religion to guide their decisions on the basis of a moral and just law for the bettermant of the populace

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:05pm

      @ Bible Quotin’………..”Christians are all about indoctrinating children and persecuting those who believe differently.”…….How are you doing anything different? Of course I know how you will respond to that charge by saying you are not forcing your belief on me, but in reality for someone who believes in God and believes He does reign over the affairs of men and of nations to suggest that I cannot publicly proclaim this restricts my beliefs in favor of yours. The point being there is no such thing as not impinging on people and their rights when it comes to religious beliefs. They must be infringed in one way or another by virtue of their competing values and the groups that hold to each set of beliefs vying for dominance over the other. There will either be expression of those beliefs or restriction of those expressions this restricts one group or another. However, the law of the land upon conception of this country was very plainly spelled out as freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion. Therefore, since its inception the intent of the founders was not to eliminate religion from the public square. One quick tour of Washington DC with the overwhelming amount of religious depictions on federal buildings and even a cursory knowledge of the speeches given and beliefs of most of the founders make this an unavoidable conclusion for all but the intellectually dishonest.

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    • turkey13
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:19pm

      And the Government has to have studies to find out why we have school shootings – Columbine – Virginia Tech Etc. These kids have never been taught or heard of God and the Pledge. If I recall the kid (shoter) at Virginia Tech was Chineese.

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    • wellitsallright
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:26pm

      Allah means God in Arabic. Jehovah is what the Jehovah Witnesses says is Gods name. Its funny how people that do not even believe in Jesus and God over in Vietnam celebrate Christmas (yes they call it Christmas), yet ya’ll bash God like its the plague.

      Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God. Heck, even Jehovah Witnesses believe in the same God. The only ones that have a problem with “in God we trust” and “under God” is the atheist. Its very sad when a Muslim, Jew or Christan wont say the pledge because we all have the same God. Just different beliefs.

      This country was founded on the freedom of religion and by saying “under God” can help remind us of our history. Without God this United States would not be the same place, because it was for the search of God that many first came here.

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    • grudgywoof
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:46pm

      Hey Bible your a moron

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    • pavepaws
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 3:06pm

      I could learn to like Connecticut people. Those who stand up for the Pledge.

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    • Abraham Young
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 3:32pm

      I pledge allegiance TO GOD.

      Are you good and offended now? Fine. Take it up with your Creator.

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    • Abraham Young
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 3:35pm

      Go read a book by Manning Johnson, Herr Kommunist.

      Color, Communism, and Common Sense. The Communists have been aching for decades to achieve victory over religion by whatever surreptitious means available to them.

      But we know the Truth has preeminence over any li’l band of Kommunistas and their unwitting dupes.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 3:42pm

      How about, “NOT under f- king Obama.” Then we all give the Obum Salute (middle finger) and spit in the direction of the Occupied White House.

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    • Ojebuss
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 3:43pm

      Dear Bible Quotin‘ Science Fearin’ Conservative American,
      If we are going to remove “under God” from the pledge. Then we should also remove references to God in our Constitution, and the rights that he endowed upon us. Think about it…. Also second amendment, separation of “state from church”, not church form state.

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    • Abraham Young
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 3:46pm

      The difference between indoctrination by Communists and sharing Christianity with children, is the Christians share the TRUTH, and Communists indoctrinate with evil.

      When I teach my kids the TRUTH, and about Liberty, and Justice, they are learning what God wants them to learn. When you indoctrinate your kids with communist platitudes and politically correct but morally corrupt lies, then you lead them down the path to their own destruction.

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    • TimH
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:01pm

      Since America has headed down this road of Not Under God, I have to ask that famous Dr Phil question. “How’s that working for you?” Or, is the need to crank up the murder, mayhem, graft and corruption a notch or three necessary for your understanding?

      http://www.BornAgainHeathens.com

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    • AMERICAN BEAR
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:04pm

      WWWWAAAAAHHAAHHHHWWWAWW. Cry me a river ya’ big baby!!!! Does nobody remember where and how our country came to be?! Anybody remember George Washington? The Founders?
      ‘ONE NATION UNDER GOD’…..YES…It is, and will always be. And we are far better for it.
      Suggested Reading: The U.S. Constitution, The Federalist Papers, George Washingtons Sacred Fire,
      Seven Tipping Points That Saved the World, Seven Miracles that Saved America…….If you can’t read, call me, I’ll read to you……BABY!

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    • grannyjojo
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:05pm

      @quotin’ Just want to let you know that Jesus loves you and I pray you have a merry Christmas. “Every knee will bow and every tongue confess”

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    • Servant Of YHVH
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:05pm

      @Bible Quotin‘ Science Fearin’ Conservative American
      I am finally starting to understand that you came up with your name as sarcasm. Based on your posts your name if it was to be honest would be Science Fearin‘ and as to that part I’m not sure about but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were truthful about that anyways.

      “Christians don’t own the pledge, they just horned their way in on it.”
      Where did you see that Christians claimed to “own” the pledge? If you think that we are fooled by you just because you claim to be “Bible Quotin’ (false based on your posts”, Science Fearin’ (not sure about this one)”, “Conservative American (again false based on your posts)” So where does that leave you? Well, let me see, hmmm, I’m guessing that the internet connection is good at the Occupy protesters areas because that MUST be where you are posting from.

      “I am as patriotic as the next guy, but it is inappropriate,” said Ron Masiero”
      I would have to say that he means that he is as patriotic as the next Occupy protester. It is funny sometimes that these people think that they can say or post whatever they want and when their “talk” doesn’t match up with what they tell (or name themselves) other people they are dumb enough to think that we will believe them. If it wasn’t so sad to see them be that way, it would almost be hilarious.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:16pm

      Christians do actually know something YOU DON’T and thats the point. They know that there are millions of unsaved people who have not heard Gods message of Love and real Peace on earth and goodwill towards men but that is only obtainable if we first remember it is God who created us first. I know you will disagree but you disagree in ignorance. Its not the other way around no matter how much you try to shut Christians up. You have a soul and that soul will live on for all eternity in either Gods presence or cut off from him. Those who are cut off right now are weeping and screaming out forever in torment because they rejected God and his son Jesus who was the ultimate gift to us to be granted a pardon. Its too late when you die and have not accepted this gift which God neither forces upon you or compels you in any way. In the zeal of some at not wishing you to decend into Hell for all eternity is not where you should turn your anger towards, you should in fact look into the matter a little more before you have hatred in your heart for those who simply do not wish you to be cut off from God. You appear to be clear with your decision, so in that case there is nothing else to say. You have made your decision and God will make his depending on the true nature of your heart. I am not saying your going to hell but you appear to have all the hallmark signs of being anti-God. Good luck BQSFCA!

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:27pm

      “If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.” Ronald Reagan

      The problem with Socialists, Communists, Fascists, and Tyrants is that they assume all power resides with the State first, and the State then benevolently grants us our freedom. Liberals believe that they must petition the government for their rights, while conservatives believe that our rights are God-given, and that the State’s job is to safeguard those rights in the individual, not exploit them. Our Founding Fathers understood that God grants our freedom and liberty to each of us as individuals, and we then voluntarily surrender some of those freedoms to a government so that we may have an orderly society, but the power is ours first, not the government’s.

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    • Brevity
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:39pm

      Bible quoting science fearing conservative american….
      For the record im not christian and from what ive read from your post reminds me of every conversation ive ever had growing up with f-up druggies or low lifes that went in depth about religion ( specifically christianity). Its easy for me to be turned off by a conversation as soon as someone starts bashing a christian because i realize at that point there a society slvt. The type of person who can go all day proving the reasons why its not real, because they sat around in discussions with other emos or drug addicts, or some respectable scientist’s pondering about it. Just stroking each others egos to feel good about how they hated on christians. Do you want another ribbon for proven how wrong you think they are? Another emotion patch for the world of hurt they put you in for saying Merry Christmas every year while you wanted to live in a world with no faith in anything. Grow up little Betty, you were born in a world thats not fair and my beliefs aren’t dominate here either and you dont see me crying. Having the pledge say under God only bothers those that feel weak in who they are. I agree with probably every thing you think, but seriously you need your diaper changed after you get on your christian agenda.

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    • gilman22
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:55pm

      You are obviously a nimrod who does not have a clue about the history of this country and how it was established. You are the problem and people like you will be the downfall of the republic and the end of a Great Nation.

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    • This_Individual
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:59pm

      ” In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, ‘under God,’ to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.” – Dr. John W. Baer
      More information on the pledge:
      http://rexcurry.net/

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    • lafever65
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 5:04pm

      http://godfatherpolitics.com/2149/the-mayflower-compact-391-years-ago-today/
      http://godfatherpolitics.com/2188/george-washingtons-politically-incorrect-thanksgiving-proclamation/

      Christianity has been a part of America since the beginning, like it or not.

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    • josephp
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 5:34pm

      Hey Bible quotin guy person thing, whatever. I pity you. Not because I‘m a Christian or that you aren’t. I pity your stupidity and baseless life. Why don’t you take your Non-Christian ass to a “non-Christian” country. Like China maybe. Or Egypt perhaps. Or maybe you’d prefer and athiestis country\empire like the former Soviet Union. Yeah, non Christian countries are SOOOOO much better. I’d rather be an ignorant Christian in heaven than a smart athiest in hell any day.

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    • Patriot Z
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 6:08pm

      if you dont like it then dont say it, this IS a christian nation. there are thoes who dont believe in liberty and justice for all. perhaps we shouldnt offend them? Im athiest and i know that. are you so weak minded that any mention of (christian) god offends you to know end? nobody is forcing you to say under god, or even the plege itself. there is no force involved only your own insecurities. you want force then try going to muslim countries where you believe or else. God is apart of america…alway has been. Athiests like you always give ones like me a bad name because you dont ‘not believe’ you just want to pretend to be morally superior while using judeo christian morals. the line is ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!” say it or dont, but as far as this athiest is concerned it stays as is.

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    • HermanK
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 7:45pm

      Christians don’t own the pledge, they just horned their way in on it.

      Sounds as if your post is somewhat in opposition to your handle. I think most “Bible quotin conservative Americans” like our pledge just the way it is. Including the “one nation under God” phrase.

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    • Eatmydust
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 8:03pm

      I see the troll is back.

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    • txn4justice
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 8:39pm

      I love the Pledge of Allegiance to the United States of America.

      If you don’t and you are American, then you suck and need to move to Iran.

      I think Rose-Ellen is already in Iran. Troll killshot!

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    • Standing With Israel
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 8:45pm

      @Quotin Fearin
      “Time for them to feel the persecution that they’ve been dishing out for centuries.”

      Thanks for daring to say what it is really about – the persecution of Christians.

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    • gijoe84
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 9:24pm

      Our founding father’s created this nation with Christian principles with the intended purpose that maybe some lessons learned through religion may be some sort of guide by which we can live our lives peacefully and with freedom, a structure for the “pursuit of happiness.” They also included the ability to live free; you can have your own system of beliefs and values. Unfortunately, they also included the right to free speech, which means often having to listen to completely irrational people complain about something that is not an obligation to join and say aloud with other Americans. Now America has to bend over backwards when certain people with certain beliefs find something “offensive” such as a cross or saying the pledge of allegiance. This belief of finding something “offensive” is most likely the result of a childhood of parents convincing the child that they were special and that all accommodations be made so not to offend fragile sensibilities (spirit award). If one doesn’t like or approve of a certain act pertaining to religion, government, tradition; that person should not participate and avoid it. Just as one would avoid going to the wrong place of worship during any holiday. One should also understand and recognize that others have their own beliefs and that said others may find offense with one’s own practices and request vehemently that they be removed publicly or just find a forum for complaint. In summary, tolerance doesn’t mean acceptance… just r

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    • rodrob
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 10:56pm

      This country was founded as a Christian nation, I don’t think the Christians have horned in on the action !
      If you don’t like it leave the country.

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    • UnsilentMajority
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 10:59pm

      What a walking contradictory!! Go away you ugly troll. You apparently can’t read and have a 4 year term attention span. You must have been dropped on your head or ate too many paint chips. What gives??

      Bible Quotin‘ Science Fearin’ Conservative American for a un and a ****** avatar??

      I cant stop laughing…….

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on December 8, 2011 at 12:28am

      It Is Inappropriate
      ============
      No…. YOU ARE INAPPROPRIATE!
      Nobody is forcing anyone to say the Pledge so I wish you lug-heads would just get off your high horses and get used to living in a patriotic country.
      Oh, and another thing….. If you do NOT believe in this country and don’t feel patriotic towards it, then STOP expecting to be taken care of by the country. Move!

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    • dictionmary
      Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:56am

      Exactly. CT has gone downhill considerably in the last ten years. Always liberal, but now have made a deal with the devil and remain in bed with this administration. Not a job to be found there.

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:37am

      So, which branch of the military did you and JZS serve your country it? Oh that’s right, you didn’t.

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  • dsind
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:30pm

    A few noisey mosquitoes………
    now where did put that can of raid?

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  • GhostOfJefferson
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:27pm

    I do find it kind of tacky. Personally I know what the pledge is, who wrote it, and I’m quite familiar with the salute that the author of it required when it was being recited.

    We have the national anthem at most sporting events, that should be enough shouldn’t it? Must we perform a hundred kowtows to the government everytime we leave our house? I really don’t like what this nation is becoming, the Left is insane and the Right is not far behind them on many topics.

    Socialist pledges are not my cup of tea. Should I encounter such a thing in a public venue, I will quietly not participate.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:31pm

      Whatever, man. You’re considered a total commie here now.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:15pm

      I doubt that. I’m consisten across the board, or try my best to be within the framework of my humble intelligence. I think most here know my positions and grant me respect, given as I am generally in agreement with laissez faire capitalism, unrestricted gun ownership, moral action in society and am against collectivism. I do not come here to mock, and as a result, I’m rarely confronted with hostility by most here.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:16pm

      I come for the free comedy in the comments.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:43pm

      @Quotin:
      A lot of that comedy provided by yourself, of course.

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    • Tracker2021
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:58pm

      I can understand the debate you are raising GhostOfJefferson about over doing it. The “national anthem” is enough at a sporting event. What I do get tired of hearing is the “seperation of church and stand” arguments. The first ammendment was in regards to a “State sponsored church” (Such as the Church of England), not freedom “from religion”.

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:12pm

      KADAMS

      indeed.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 3:07pm

      You know, I never looked into the origins of the “Pledge” but I always did find it disrespectful to have children utter words of obedience and allegiance to the symbol of our great nation before they were even old enough to vote. To me, it really shows that they are just trying to indoctrinate children into being submissive to the state’s will. And for all you naysayers, I want to remind you that this opinion has come from a person who of his own free will pledged himself to protect this nation and the Constitution. And I don’t have to recite that pledge on a daily basis to take it serisously or do what is right.

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    • This_Individual
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 5:08pm

      BIBLE QUOTIN’ – Edward Belamy called, he wants his copy of “Equality” back. It’s funny how national socialists call everyone who respectfully disagrees with them a “commie”. While marxists always call their rivals “NAZI’s”. I sincerely hope that the non totalitarianists within the Christian faith take a good look at the folks around them at church.

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    • This_Individual
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 5:14pm

      BIBLE, My bad.. I didn’t realize you were being sarcastic.

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  • MidWestMom
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:18pm

    Simple… If you don’t like, don’t say it.

    Nobody is forcing you to particpate or attend an event where the Pledge is recited. If you don‘t want to say it you’re not automatically thrown out of the event, you’re not arrested, you’re not fined etc. Sure somebody might ask you why you don’t participate or give you a dirty look, but its their right to do so. Just as it’s your right to not participate. If it offends you so much that you can’t bear hearing it, go get popcorn, visit the bathroom etc. Or just go home. It’s your choice.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:29pm

      Or we could go back to the way it was before christians hijacked it and injected their “under God” phrase into it. This isn’t the united states of Jesus.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:29pm

      I find that a fair compromise. I don’t participate in the “pledge”, but I can find ways to bide my time that don’t cause me to lash out at my fellow man. Assuming of course that they extend the same courtesy to me.

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    • The-Real-Enrico
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:39pm

      @GHOSTOFJEFFERSON See your reasonable. I don’t understand the hate for god and religion in this country.

      Why does it have to be attacked? and why christianity most of all?

      Why do they/you have so much hate personally?

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:50pm

      You’re exactly right. I feel the same way. There‘s a lot of things in the world I don’t choose to particpate in, so I don’t. If it’s something I feel strongly about, I work towards changing it or supporting it in a civilized manner. As the saying goes “choose your battles”.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:53pm

      That’s the response you get when you guys act like you do. You look down on non-christians. You want your religion represented in our laws, in our pledge, everywhere. And things that you do not agree with like gay marriage you want totally eliminated. That’s why you get the angry responses. You act like being christian is synonymous with being a proud american. It’s not. Yes, christianity has ruled for a couple centuries here but it‘s finally losing it’s death grip and you guys can’t stand it. And I can’t contain my joy.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:53pm

      I don’t hate. :)

      I just don’t participate in pledges written by a socialist designed to get us used to pledging ourselves to the government. Look up the history of the pledge. I really don’t understand how free men could do it, but as I said, it’s not my place to tell others how to act. I’ll stand quietly and politely and let others indulge at their leisure. That’s how we compromise in a free society after all.

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    • MidWestMom
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:02pm

      @bible quotin’

      If you feel we should go back to the pledge before the words “under God” were added, you should petition the government to do so. And perhaps you have. But deriding the college or those who believe differently is not the way to effect change. It’s just laziness on your part.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:10pm

      Yo Bible:
      You are correct… it is actually one UNIVERSE under Jesus… He earned it on the cross…. Merry Christmas!

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:20pm

      Jesus DID die on the cross. But he was just a man. He believed he was the son of God and he expected god to step in and do something to stop his death. That’s why his last words were, “why have you forsaken me?”

      Jesus, the man, died in confusion and disbelief that god did not reveal himself. Jesus was a real guy with great philosophies. That’s all.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:30pm

      yea, you’re right dude. Hinduism is the oldest known. But as far as christians are concerned. There’s christianity and the rest are the wrong ones. each religion is like that though. I think we could do without all of it. No one knows what happens when we die.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:40pm

      Yo Bible:
      “why have you forsaken me”….was only for a moment….you are incorrect in your understanding… is this intentional?
      only a man…. do men raise from the dead 3 days latter as witnessed by MANY?…again your are incorrect… of course this ALL depends on the truth of the bible,which is just as the pledge…..you do or you don’t. When God is taken out I will no longer say it, you can do the same as long as God is in it.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:47pm

      @Quotin:

      You really need to change your name… how can you be ‘bible quotin’ when you are so ignorant about the Bible? Jesus came here to be crucified. Period. His ministry was just something that he did while he was here. He didn’t cry out to God to save him… please go re-read your bible so you can ‘bible quote’ it correctly.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:58pm

      Yo Bible:
      Hinduism… not possible IF there was an Adam and Eve. Interesting how you are willing to accept the statement/ claim of that FAITH.
      You are partically correct again….IF there is a God there can only be one… it is not a shared position.
      And when you compair Jesus with the rest, it ain’t even close, and that is an understatement!

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    • CMDR6
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:04pm

      Bible Quotin…..at the risk of casting pearls….how could “simply a man” 1. rise from the dead 2. raise others from the dead 2. walk on water 3. heal the lame, deaf and blind 4. feed 5000 and so on and so on……oh yeh, and save ME from everlasting hell!! I do not think buddha, mohammed, joseph smith or mr Krishna (joke) can lay claim to anything close to what the Son of God has done for me/us. What some goofs over time have done in the name of Jesus does not taint who Jesus is to those of us who choose to believe the Word and our spirit.
      I defend your right to believe what you believe, but I also reject your unfounded/unfactual portayal of my Lord. Please refrain, and many thanks.
      One nation, Under God……..

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:05pm

      @Bible Quotin, Are we reading the same bible?

      The reason Jesus said “why have you forsaken me?” is because the Father had gone out of him, he left him. Jesus bared the suffering alone. God gave and sacrificed his only begotten Son.

      “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Mark 15:34

      Jesus humbled himself and was obedient even unto death, “And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt… He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.” Mark 26:39, 42

      The Son revealed whom God was, “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. ” John 1:18

      “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. John 14:9-11

      “I and my Father are one.” John 10:30

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:21pm

      You guys are looking at it through Jesus colored glasses under the assumption that it’s true by default.

      The only “evidence” that Jesus rose from the dead comes from the stories of his followers. Historians believe that his body was stolen from the tomb by some of his followers. You’re relying on the Bible for your FACTS. Try looking at it through the same filter that you look at the democrats through. You’ll see that He was a man who claimed to be the son of god among many with the same claim and a ministry of their own. Many of them were put to death. Jesus won the lottery. But history DOES know the names of those others. Constantine decided on the version of Jesus you know today and left out other accounts of Jesus that didn’t fit the mold he wanted. By the way, why is he God’s only begotten son? God is only allowed one son? Say who? There’s a reason that Adam and Eve were not supposed to eat from the tree of KNOWLEDGE.

      As far as Hinduism being considered the oldest, I don’t take that on FAITH. As far as science and history can discern, it is the oldest known religion although religion predates recorded history.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:36pm

      @Bible Quotin,

      Jesus felt the pain of his Father leaving his body. That is why he cried out loud, “Why hast thou forsaken me”. Jesus was one with the Father. But it is the Son, not the Father, who bared the death for us all.

      Jesus knew who the Father was, and only he knew him. He alone revealed him unto us. If anyone was confused, it was not Jesus, but us humans, “The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God… If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.” John 10:33, 37-38

      “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.” Philipians 2:5-8

      “And Thomas answered and said unto him (unto Jesus), My Lord and my God.” John 20:29

      “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” Titus 2:13-14

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 3:06pm

      @Quoter — God is a title not a Name. I happen to adhere to the God of the Bible – YHWH and Jesus. God can also refer to any number of deities — pick your pantheon. However, in a Christian-founded country, we tend to think of the God of the Bible that you enjoy quoting.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 3:58pm

      @Bible Quotin, Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father. God has many sons but only one begotten straight out of him. God created the angels, whom are called sons of God. We who have accepted Jesus are adopted by God, and are sons of God. But we did not come from the Father. Only Jesus was born of the Holy Ghost. Every angel and man has been made and created by God, but no man or angel has come from the Father and born of the Holy Ghost.

      “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made… And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” John 1:1-4

      “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.” Matthew 1:23

      “And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” Luke 1:35

      “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.” John 8:42-43

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:21pm

      @Bible Quotin, There are other sons, but none begotten of the Father. Only Jesus was capable to reveal and declare the Father unto us, as he was from the Father, and one with the Father.

      For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us. 1 John 3:2

      And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ. Ephes. 3:9

      Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24

      And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Tim. 3:16

      [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God (the Father), the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Coloss. 1:16-17

      For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 5:03pm

      Yo Bible:
      You are partically correct again… I do rely on the bible for my facts until PROVEN otherwise… hasn’t happened yet.
      Historians believe….. what ! because some mis-guided person with NO facts says that I should put my faith in this “persons” false statement… sorry I am not that stupid.
      The problem is you do not seem to be able to see the bible as an acurate historical account. His followers would not have died for Him if what you say is true, in fact they did give up until they SAW HIM THEMSELVES !!!
      Why don’t you just admit that you hate Jesus and be done with it… you will NEVER disprove the bible with facts or truth, cause what you say about Constantine is not it. I and others have tried to speak with you, your heart seems closed, I hope this does not remain true… sincerely, have a good Christmas…

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  • DesertRose1960
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:14pm

    I would like to see the Pledge of Allegiance returned to what it was in 1953, before Congress added the caveat “under God” to put fear into “Godless Communists”. It is a violation of the “Establishment Clause” of the First Amendment. I was raised saying the Pledge post 1954, and I never felt comfortable with the phrase, I thought it diminished the association of the United States and being a unified nation indivisable from Liberty and Justice. Forgive me, but I happen to think that American unity and Liberty and Justice are more important concepts than so public declaration of a belief in God. The United States is a secular nation, founded on the Rule of Law and the Constitution, belief in God is up to the individual. By the way, since the Pledge was composed by a Minister, if he had wanted to make it religious, wouldn’t he have included a reference to God in the original Pledge, published over a century ago?

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:20pm

      ^^^^^^^^ This.

      This is the truth.

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    • Scruff
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:27pm

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;. . .”
      Congress isn’t involved here. Congress isn’t making laws at UConn (or anywhere else) establishing any religion. This is not a violation of the First Amendment. It really is that simple, but cultural marxism has unfortunately blinded the eyes of many.
      If you want to change the pledge, how about taking out “indivisible”?

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:37pm

      Do you give the Nazi salute when you give it, as the SOCIALIST minister who wrote it wanted, Rose?

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    • Conservative Voice
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:49pm

      How is saying God establishing Any Religion? Which one, the Baptists? The Catholics, when we say God…are we somehow declaring the Catholics as the state religion?

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    • joev11
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:52pm

      No, it is not a violation of the establishmernt clause because their is NOTHING in the Constitution which prohibits and individual or group or entity from speaking of or even promoting religion.

      If you actually READ the establishment clause you would see it clearly

      “The First Amendment’s Establishment Clause prohibits the GOVERNMENT from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only FORBIDS THE GOVERNMENT FROM ESTABLISHING A RELIGION, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion..

      Here it is directly from the Constitution and it could NOT be more clear.

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF”

      Congress has nothing to say either way about religion and who practices it or where it is practiced. This nonsense has all come about because of a very wrong and misguided interpretation by the USSC of what is as plain as day in the constitution.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:55pm

      The fact that you differentiate between baptist and catholic like they’re totally different instead of subsections of the same religion but you fail to recognize that the much older muslim religion is broken up into many “different” subsections as well is a good illustration of the pompous garbage from Jesus freaks that growing numbers of people are fed up with.

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    • kansas hawks 3
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:58pm

      @ desertrose1960, You need to read a little bit more about the 1st amendment,It says, Prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion,Impeding the free exercise of religion. It does not say you can not say God or act like there is no God .. We the people have the right to exercise our freedom to say God if we want.. I am tired of people like obama trying to get God out of everything look at what our country has become with out God..

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    • colt1860
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:05pm

      This was never a secular Nation.

      “Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of OUR LORD one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names” – US Constitution

      “And also, that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great LORD AND RULER OF NATIONS and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions… GIVEN under my hand, at the city of New-York, the third day of October, in the year of OUR LORD, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine. (signed) G. Washington” – 1789 Thanksgiving proclamation.

      “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” – Northwest Ordinance 1789

      “When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good.” – James Monroe

      God and America http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/america.html

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    • yankeedoodledandy
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:10pm

      Hey GhostofJefferson it isn’t the Nazi salute that they were giving back in the day it was the Roman salute which goes way back. The Nazis co-opted that salute so the US changed it to a forehead salute or hand on the heart.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:18pm

      Um, Bible, dude, Christianity pre-dates Islam by centuries. Mohammed encountered Christian missionaries. You know that right?

      If you don’t understand what you criticize, it throws the credibility of your criticisms right out the door.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:20pm

      I know what it is, actually, and I know the Nazis got it from the Romans. If I’d said “the Bellamy salute” however, it might have confused Ellen. I try to aim for my target audience based on my experience with them, and Rose many times requires special consideration. :)

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    • KAdams
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:51pm

      @Quotin:

      You should go read your bible again… then you’d know that hebrews and muslims are related. Although ‘Christianity’ as it was known in the time after Christ wasn’t known during the time of Abraham, the faith in God still existed, as evidenced by Abraham himself, the father of both muslim and hebrew people. So sorry, the muslim faith isn’t the oldest. Try again?

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    • This_Individual
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 8:01pm

      GHOST- “I know what it is, actually, and I know the Nazis got it from the Romans. If I’d said “the Bellamy salute” however, it might have confused Ellen. I try to aim for my target audience based on my experience with them, and Rose many times requires special consideration. :) ”

      Being the history nerd that I am, I have to correct you on the Nazi’s getting the salute from the ancient Romans. That’s a myth perpetuated by film. The Nazi’s got it from us.

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    • DesertRose1960
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 10:03pm

      @Ghost, I’ve told you before, I am not Ellen. I am DesertRose1960, I have never had more than one handle on this site, I have used it for several years now. Having multiple handles is confusing and cheating, as far as I am concerned. I don’t lie or cheat. You refuse to believe me, but that must be part of your limits that I’ll just have to be patient with. Being unintelligent is an unfortunate condition, being stupid is a choice that takes hard work to maintain.
      @I_Gaspar, I have read the Constitution, several times, I used to teach Government. I can quote you the First Amendment by heart.
      @Joe, No, dear, the UofConn didn’t violate the “Establishment Clause”, Congress did by adding the caveat “under God” in 1954. And as a state school, they can’t introduce prayers because a state school is “the Government” and that violates the Constitution.
      @Et Al, so now the Pledge is bad because Bellamy was a Progressive and wanted to use an old fashioned salute (before the Nazis got hold of it) so that makes me a Nazi because I think saying “under God” is jarring and inappropriate. I could take or leave the Pledge. Frankly, I happen to believe that, with Dr. Johnson that “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel”.

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  • Ironeagle
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:11pm

    These naysayers are in the minority. They are tyrants, prohibiting us the freedom to say the pledge. Screw them.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:19pm

      No one is stopping you from saying the pledge. You just want to continue to inject your personal beliefs into it. Beliefs that DO NOT represent all americans. Go back to the way the pledge was until the mid-50′s when you guys wedged your “under God” line into it.

      It’s funny that you want God printed on money. Because you guys, at the end of the day, really worship money.

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    • Seymour
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:01pm

      I totally concur Iron. The small minority is done wagging this dog. If they don’t like it they don’t need to participate. If they try and take away my right to participate? Game on…

      I won’t tread on them and they for sure won’t tread on me. If this minority doesn’t like it they can opt out otherwise they can cut a hole in their pants pocket to keep them entertained while we recite our Pledge of Allegiance.

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    • Seymour
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:08pm

      I travel a lot for business so out of some 30 States I have traveled this last year alone I can’t seem to find anyone, not one person willing to state their positions in real time as in this bait garbage coming from this 10lbs of useless fat 3 feet above Quotin’s ass. Hey Quotin, let’s do lunch..

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    • KAdams
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:02pm

      @Quotin:

      Boy, you are just wrong all day today! You should go back to bed, and wake up tomorrow. Might be a better day for you. In any event, Christians didn’t design the money. The bankers did (I.e. Rothschilds, Rockefellers.) Their god is Satan. So yes, when they issue money, the ‘god’ that they are really talking about, is Satan, not God.

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    • MSMOM
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:04pm

      The minority of the population who continue to push for rights, respect etc…have absolutely no respect for American culture or traditions. The very people in the 60s who wanted tolerance and acceptance now support intolerance for anyone who disagrees with them.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:26pm

      If you do not believe in the God of the universe and deny his existence, then this should not matter. Everytime you double down on this matter you do it not in ignorance but in hate against God that you say and believe does not exist. Your truly innoculated by the Left and bought hook lione and sinker that the evangelicals are coming to lynch you if you do not believe. There is a religion that will do that but your looking at only the one true one to wage your War against. No one is waging a spiritual War against Islam but Christianity and Judeism are the only ones suffering at the hands of people like you. Your hatred for Christians is what is fueling the hatred in the middle east where the population slaughter innocent Christians (coptics) wholesale for just existing. We have more to fear from you than you have to fear from us. But know this, you should fear God because he is the one you’ll be dealing with in the final end of your life.

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  • garyM
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:10pm

    I’ve watched Glenn Beck since he started at Fox, I follow the Blaze, a GBTV subscriber! Before I say this, I know we all have inconsistencies including myself. Ask yourself how many inconsistent principles have you heard from Beck? With malice toward none, what else? don‘t tell yourself I can’t vote for him because he can’t win_ we got all bind together or we are toast! How many negative stories and interviews have you read or seen on most of the GOP candidates except ROMNEY, not a chirp, except I’d vote for Romney everyday and twice on Sunday before I would OBama, most of us would! The point is, Newt is the only person that can take the nomination from Romney (which is athe modern day Jimmy Carter) who happens to be a Mormon as Beck is, who has not been trashed by Beck although most of the other candidates have. Beck just the same as endorsed Backmann, Beck is smart enough to know Backmann will not be the nominee, if someone changes to Balkmann, will they leave Newt or Romney? Well if they listen to Beck, they will leave Newt which puts Romney out front. That what you call political strategy, that’s what I call deception. I could respect Beck much more if he would just endorse Romney instead of playing these games!

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    • The-Real-Enrico
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:30pm

      Are you serious? That is far reach and a wild conspiracy. I believe in standing in princelier. Like the Ron Paul loyalist. If stand up for what you believe in than I can work. If we can’t stand up to together.

      The only reason she couldn‘t win is if a bunch of people would go around saying that she couldn’t. (Like you) You listen or care if what the pundits say or they poll.

      Stand on you believe in. The media isn’t the people who vote them in. It is you and me(us).

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:19pm

      If….THEY….listen to Beck….I like Bachmann, the constant conservative, and was my first instinct for my candidate. I am old enough to be Glenn’s mother (and would be a proud parent) and Rush’s older sister (which I would be proud to be) and was a TEA PARTY THINKER in the RAGING,POT SMOKING 60″s, when it WAS NOT COOL to be a thoughtful conservative individual. And what I thought of the radical, hippy,dippy disturbances then and now, I thought the same when Obama talked about hopey and changeeee. My tv was on, on mute and looked up and listened alittle of Clinton’s BS……excuse me for a minute while I run outside with my hair on fire.

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  • last frontier
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:09pm

    Sounds like, once again the only people offended is the MEDIA!

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  • RodT82721
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:04pm

    How long before one of our easily offended will go judge hunting to shut down this terrible offense of reciting a pledge to your country and flag?
    As history shows, it only takes one and one progressive judge, to offend the masses in the name of diversity. The new standard of Barry’s land.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:17pm

      The phrase “under God” has only been in the thing for a couple of decades. It did just fine before without it. What’s the big deal? Just go back to the way it was before the church horned it’s way in on it. It’s all or nothing. Unless you want to have to list all the versions of God that people in this country worship.

      Christians think they’re being persecuted. They‘re just having to taste the medicine that they’ve been dishing out for centuries and it doesn’t taste good. They think gays are “shoving their lifestyle down our throats” because it’s being publicly recognized. Religious people are the absolute KINGS of shoving their way down your throat. This “under god” phrase that wasn‘t added to the pledge until 1954 is a prime example of shoving it down people’s throats. That, and all the laws you people want passed to force non-believers to live by the code dictated in your Mother Goose for Adults book.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:53pm

      @Quotin:
      Persecution of Christians happens every time you post something.

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  • debrikishaw
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:04pm

    This is TERRIBLE Journalism. You prove NOT A SINGLE quote of an atheist/secularist protesting reciting the pledge of allegiance at these games because it contains “under god.” All that is provided is one guy saying that it’s excessive, and people with a persecution-complex complaining about atheists.

    Where is the story? Seriously, WHERE IS THE STORY? You don‘t give a SINGLE example of people upset about reciting this at games because it contains ’under god.’
    Or did you just feel like complaining about atheists/secularists today?

    You should be ashamed that you get paid to write crap like this

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  • I.Gaspar
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:03pm

    To the atheists and libs out there:
    If the Pledge of Allegiance offends you…don’t go to the basketball game. Get in your car and drive to Venezuela where you’ll be much happier.
    And don’t come back.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:22pm

      It’s not about pledging to the country. It’s about the “under God” part. Surely you’re not too dumb to understand that.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:40pm

      @Bible

      So you’re good with substituting the God of man for the God of Christianity and will pledge yourself to that. Huh.

      Me, as a free thinking and honest person, find the notion of pledging to a government or nation, as desired by a socialist, rather frightening.

      Thanks, but no thanks, I’ll take “none of the above”.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:56pm

      I’m glad I live in a time when I get to see Christians taste their own medicine and barf it back up.

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:12pm

      bq:
      you’re just too much of an idiot to argue with.
      have a lousy day.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:22pm

      Yes, I‘m an idiot because I’m sick of having a religious preference shoved down my throat for my whole life.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:24pm

      @Bible

      All your hatred does is empower those who do not share your beliefs, in the validity of their own beliefs. If you seek to mock, all you’re doing is creating more resolute firmness in your perceived “enemy”.

      I honestly don’t understand finding glee in seeing others harmed, whether that harm is real or only perceived. There’s a strong mean spirited, sadistic streak in a lot of Leftists that is highly distasteful. You’ll never win people to your views by mocking them. Do as you will, I’m simply trying to inform you of your futile efforts.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:34pm

      I don’t expect to change any minds. I’m venting. Surely, if you’re being fair, you can recognize that same gleeful mean streak on the right. Just read any comments on an article about a liberal or a minority. One time there was an article on here that had a video that showed a black guy being shot to death. There was plenty of gleeful meanness in the comments. Surely you see that. At least I don’t claim to live by some Jesus-y moral code while i’m mocking them. And I don’t make fun of people actually being hurt. At least I don’t think I do. I don‘t spend my time on here making threats about what I’ll do with my guns ( I do own guns. I am in the south) and how many of the opposing side I’ll shoot if things get crazy. Plenty of people on here do that.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:01pm

      @Bible

      I did note that many on the Right are on the same path of insanity as the Left.

      That being said, yes, there are a lot of haters on the right. But the left seems to have institutionalized, what’s a good term(?)…the argument from a sneer. I’ve studied the left as it exists today down to its roots (socialists, Fabians, progressives, communists and various other anarcho-socialist/syndicalist sects) and it seems to be there even at the root. I cannot read through Das Kapital without noticing Marx doing exactly the same kind of sadistic…sneer on an almost constant basis, for example.

      There are bad people on all sides, clearly. But there’s a difference between bad people, compared to an institution which encourages people explicitly to treat those not of “the dogma” with mockery and contempt. The modern left seems to posess this almost singularly as an institution (loosely defined of course).

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:07pm

      @Bible

      I‘d also like to politely point out that you’re comitting what’s known as Argumentum Tu Quoque, or in plain words, the fallacy of saying “you too!”. It’s a form of ad hominem, and detracts from the subject at hand. For example, if a convicted (and released) rapist trys to stop another guy from raping a woman, and he yells “but you’re a rapist too”, that doesn’t mean that his raping the woman is somehow correct.

      I do see people on here go off at times, and have tried to inject reason if it gets out of hand. That said, that doesn’t give me license to go out and start ad hominem-ing the heck out of people. More people listen to me even at times where they disagree, because I extend courtesy and some level of respect. You know, the whole honey/vinegar thing. :)

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    • KAdams
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:12pm

      @Quotin’
      Ah yes… all of us Christians are at your home, right now, prying your eyes open, and forcing your hand on the mouse. I don’t see how voluntarily visiting a website that is promoted as Christian/conservatice based, and then claim that we are ‘forcing our religion’ down your throat.

      Here are examples of religion being forced down Christians’ throats:
      Christians attending their church of choice, while being inundated with pagan decorations and events during the Halloween season.
      Christians holding regular jobs, yet having to view idiots in costumes because they are too ignorant to discern the meanings of the ‘holy days’.
      Christians having to deal with getting harangued about celebrating the birth of their saviour, when heaven forbid, we speak out against Ramadan, Kwanzaa, or Boxing Day….

      Give it a rest, your argument about us ‘bullying’ you is warn out and old.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:38pm

      Yo Bible: Being a conservative or on the right does not equate to being a TRUE christian.

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    • jeanr
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 5:20pm

      I am not being sarcastic and would like a legitmate explanation. Why do we have to say the pledge of allegiance repeatedly? It never made sense to me, even as a kid in school. If I pledge my allegiance to my country once, doesn’t that mean then I am pledged until further notice? I can’t imagine renewing my wedding vows everyday. I pledged to my mate once and now I am pledged forever, right?

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  • DesertRose1960
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:03pm

    I would like to see the Pledge of Allegiance returned to what it was in 1953, before Congress added the caveat “under God”. This was done at the height of the Red Scare to make “Godless Communists” look bad. It violates the “No-establishment Clause” of the First Amendment. And besides that, it just sounds bad, it

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:10pm

      The “Godless communists” are back…and we need to push them out before it is too late.

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    • DesertRose1960
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:20pm

      @I_Gaspar, the last time I checked, the Constitution guaranteed freedom of association under the First Amendment. In my whole life, I have only met two real Communists. And I don’t care about whether someone professes to believe in God or not. I’ve met plenty of people who claim to be “Good Christians” and they are some of the most terrible people I’ve ever met, and I’ve known some lovely and loving atheists.

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    • broper
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:21pm

      If the words “under God” bother you, don’t say them. Why is it that when the majority of Americans have no problem with the entire pledge, and seem to want to say it with the words “under God” included, a few hypersensitive liberals, feel the need to modify what the rest of us believe to be a good thing? It isn’t like you are being asked hoist the American flag or stand in a spotlight. Just don’t say two words if they bother you, and let those Americans who feeled blessed by God to acknowledge Him.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:24pm

      For the same reason that back in 1954, when people DIDN’T say “under God” in the pledge and had no problem with THAT.

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 1:13pm

      try reading the constitution some time and see what a mockery you libs try to make it into.
      hapless.

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    • This_Individual
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 5:41pm

      DESERT- “I would like to see the Pledge of Allegiance returned to what it was in 1953, before Congress added the caveat “under God”. ” Of course you would. Would you also keep the straight arm salute, and the mindless droning of little socialists in the making (who attend socialist indoctrination camps)?
      http://rexcurry.net/

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    • txn4justice
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 8:47pm

      I like the God part left the Pledge.

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  • anigmanm
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:03pm

    I wonder if anyone of these supposed higher enlightened individuals have ever bothered to read the Constitution? I keep re reading it and have yet to find any statement or wording concerning the supposed separation of church and state. I realize educating the elites of this world is a difficult as facts and reality does not seem to exist in the vacuum of space their brains seem to survive in

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:22pm

      Haha. You say that but at the same time you can’t understand something unless it is WRITTEN OUT LITERALLY in plain speak. Maybe if they put it on a bumper sticker then you’ll finally have a light bulb go off.

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    • CMDR6
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:21pm

      Bible, yes plain speak in the Contitution is what we refer to…..not some made up, twisted thought derived from a letter written by Mr Jefferson. There is NO MENTION of the seperation of Church and state in the Constitution YET it does say, in 1st Amendment “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (i.e. no FEDERAL religion), or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof…”

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    • This_Individual
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 6:02pm

      ANIG- No, it’s nowhere in the constitution. But now that we have given the federal government as say in religion (especially Christianity) via “the pledge”, how long will it take for our beloved government to regulate our respective religions? Yes, the founders were Christian and openly declared their faith. But that should not be confused with them wanting the government to have anything to do with sponsering it or promoting it.

      “Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases.”
      ― Thomas Jefferson

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  • Phil222
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:02pm

    Majority rules!!!

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  • trench99
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:02pm

    My family spent time in Canada, we learned their “Oh Canada” out of respect to their country. We learned as much as possible so that we could behave respectfully while there. If these athiests don’t believe in GOD why are they so offended? Keep the pledge alive & well and teach our children what the poem is about. Everytime I recite the pledge I think about the soldiers and patriots who have died or suffered to keep this country great.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:16pm

      While I don’t think it would change their minds, a visit to a Veterans Hospital and a National Cemetary should show them the price of freedom.

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    • reneelepage
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:26pm

      Agreed – I have sung the Canadian national anthem a number of times while there out of respect and appreciation for our neighbors to the north.
      I wonder if atheists there have a beef with it as it contains the phrase “God keep our land glorious and free”?

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 2:33pm

      @Trech

      I agree, teach them what the poem is all about. To do that, I encourage you to first research it. You may come away a bit stunned.

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  • WILLIAM E.
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:02pm

    They want “The Tail To Wag The Doggy”

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  • jungle J
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:00pm

    this is one of Obamas legacy

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  • UlyssesP
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:59am

    I bet if they where talking about one nation under Obamarx it would be all good.

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  • CS_GUY
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:56am

    If you don’t agree with the pledge, don’t say it. However, if you attempt to keep me from saying it, you will get a swift one-two combination to restart your brain.

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    • OhSuzieQ
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:03pm

      CS, I have your back!! I’m with you! I thought this was America?!!

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  • dmerwin
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:54am

    Who does it really hurt? Are you American? Do you have pride in your country? Congratulations for a liberal university in a liberal state to do something to START to restore the pride in our country. This will sound jingoistic, but I am tired of American apologists and denigrators MOVE to frickin Zimbabwe or Iran or North Korea or the sunny paradise of Cuba if you don’t like it here.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:25pm

      It’s not about the pledge. It’s about the “under God” part that was ADDED later. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand that.

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    • txn4justice
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 8:53pm

      Trolls pretend they are American. They don;t believe in God, but they handles like @BIBLE QUOTIN‘ SCIENCE FEARIN’ CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN.

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  • vrodder
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:52am

    They have freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion!

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  • HorseCrazy
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:51am

    When I am in Canada I am not offended by the “oh canada” song. why should foreigners be offended by our pledge. Oh the militant athiests, how I pity you with your misguided angry ways. We all wish you would spend all that free time whining actually doing something to better yourself or helping someone else.

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    • CatB
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:55am

      LOL .. I put up an outdoor Nativity .. as for the athiests .. I hope they are offended .. it is on my PRIVATE PROPERTY! Tough!

      TEA!

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    • txn4justice
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 9:09pm

      Good comment! You too CATB!

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  • Collbuzz
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:51am

    Tell them to shut up, plain and simple. You don’t like our pledge, too damn bad! Go move to another country or put your fingers in your ears and sing la la la while God fearing people utter His name. Sheesh!

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  • drattastic
    Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:45am

    When are we gonna tell the atheist to shove it up their collective a$$e$ ?

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    • donflow
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:52am

      I don’t think they have anymore room up there…pretty full I’m sure …jus sayn

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    • InversionTheory
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:54am

      I’ve never had a problem with the pledge, I just don’t join in when people recite it. I only get annoyed when the government takes my money and uses it on religious stuff. It’s my personal belief that the world would be better off if we embraced only scientifically and independently verifiable ideas, but I don’t really care what anyone else believes, as long as they leave me alone.

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    • IMPEACHBHO
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:54am

      Now.

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    • Link8on
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 11:59am

      The complainers can skip the games.

      If players are involved who did not want to be, then they can choose to move to some other godless country and play there.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:28pm

      Christians don’t own this country. Sorry. As time goes on, Christians will lose more and more of their chokehold on this country. Good.

      I have zero problem pledging to the country. Can’t we change it to “Under Santa”?

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    • sawbuck
      Posted on December 7, 2011 at 3:09pm

      What have we become..?

      CELEBRATINGTHE BIRTH OF CHRIST .
      (HAVE AMERRY CHRISTMASS)

      *
      ………………………… The U.S.A !!
      ………………………… ^Welcome to ^
      ………………………….^^ Government ^^
      …………………….. ^^^^ Community ^^^^
      ………………… ^^^^^^^^^ Family ^^^^^^^^
      ……………. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^GOD ^^^^^^^^^^^^

      ………………Majority of the U.S. United/Awake .!

      ……………….WHAT OUR COUNTRY WAS…!!!

      _______________________________________________________

      …………….. HAVE A HAPPY ……HOLIDAYS….!

      …………… U.S.S.A
      …………….. ^ Welcome to the ^
      …………………………….^^^ NO GOD ? ^^
      …………………………^^^^^^ Family ^^^^^^
      …………………..^^^^^^^^ Community ^^^^^^^^^
      …………………^^^^^^^^^ Government ^^^^^^^^^

      ………………Majority of the U.S. Complacent/Sleeping..!
      ………………WHAT OUR COUNTRY IS BECOMING NOW. !

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