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‘It’s Not Islamophobia, It‘s Islamorealism’: Anti-Islamic Ads Go Up in N.Y. Suburb

Its Not Islamophobia, Its Islamorealism: Anti Islamic Ads Go Up in N.Y. Suburb

"It's not Islamophobia, it's Islamorealism" ads have cropped up at train stations in a New York suburb. (Image source: Journal News)

An anti-Islamic advertisement is causing a stir in suburban New York with its message of “Islamorealism.”

It reads: “19,250 deadly Islamic attacks since 9/11/01 (and counting). It’s not Islamophobia, it’s Islamorealism.”

Its Not Islamophobia, Its Islamorealism: Anti Islamic Ads Go Up in N.Y. Suburb

Image source: New York Daily News

Signs with the message have gone up at several Metro-North Railroad stations in Westchester County, N.Y., according to the Journal News. They’re paid for by the American Freedom Defense Initiative, led by activist Pamela Geller — the same group behind similar anti-jihad ads that recently appeared in San Francisco.

“The message I am trying to send is that it is not ‘Islamophobic’ to oppose jihad terror,” Geller, who runs the blog Atlas Shrugs, said in an email to the newspaper. “I’m also trying to highlight the reality and magnitude of Islamic jihad and the mainstream media’s cover-up of it.”

But not everyone agrees: Greenburgh Town Supervisor Paul Feiner told the New York Daily News he says the advertisements “encourage hatred.” He wants to see the profits from the ad campaign donated to help fight discrimination.

“There are many Muslims residing in Greenburgh and in our villages,” Feiner said. “They should not be discriminated against. The posters encourage hatred, discrimination and do not help the efforts to fight hate crimes.”

John Harris, chairman of the regional Anti-Defamation League in New York, told the Journal News the ads contribute to “stereotyping an entire religion.”

“Suspecting every Muslim is secretly a jihadist creates an atmosphere that makes discrimination easier and more acceptable,” Harris said. “There are extremists in every religion whose views reflect hatred and bigotry towards people they don’t understand, and to condemn the entire faith based on the views of a small minority is unwarranted.”

A spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority told the newspaper it doesn’t endorse the views expressed in the ad, but doesn’t ban advertisements based on their message.

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  • TheLiberalsAreComing
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:45pm

    Islam is a cult of liars and killers. Their goal is global Sharia, their method is jihad, their
    soldiers include the useful idiots of American Liberalism.

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    • ACTFORCHRIST
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:52pm

      Absolutely! Read, ‘THE COMING: A TRUE STORY OF HORROR’ @ amazon.com. John Daniels shows what Islam truly is and gives Proof! http://www.amazon.com/The-Coming-True-Story-Horror/dp/1469955652/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345213911&sr=8-1&keywords=the+coming+a+true+story+of+horror

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    • docgreen
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:13pm

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/new-black-panthers-play-vile-radio-opening-kill-all-white-men-women-babies-blind-cripple-faots-lesbians-then-dig-em-up-kill-em-again/

      You only have to look at what these people are saying to understand the True Motive! Somehow, these people infiltrated our states, court systems, Govt., and anywhere else they could slither into! For the liberals that believe they would never hurt you and your using them, better open your eyes to all of this! Listen to what they say about the sick, old, gays, lesbians, and anyone else that doesn’t believe in islam! Death is coming to the World! I posted a link yesterday,

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/14/iran-admits-giving-wmds-to-terrorists/

      does the World not understand hamas and hezbollah “iranian terrrorists groups” have cells all over the World! When you read stories like this, and understand what has to happen prior to islams 12th imam/global caliphate to return, you better listen and learn these people have one Goal Death to all Infidels! Where ever we are!

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    • burnteye86
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 5:16pm

      We‘re all aware how Muslims don’t discriminate against Christians and Jews.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 6:43pm

      @ DOCGREEN- Jesus said it best: Luke 19:27- But those mine enemies, which would not that I (Jesus) should reign over them, bring hither, and kill them before me.

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    • Wolfgang the Gray
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 7:10pm

      We have freedom of speech in this country so if the Atheists can have billboards about there being no God, then we can have signs up showing the truth about radical Islam.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 7:35pm

      @ Suhan- amazing what a bit of context does –

      Luke 19:11; 18-27

      11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable,

      18 The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’

      “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’

      “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’

      “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’

      “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’

      “‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’

      “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:20pm

      @ KAYDEEBEAU- You said the exact same thing that I said. All you did was add the extra verses. Like the rabbis of his time, Jesus used simple word-pictures, called parables, to help people understand what he wanted to happen or what he wanted to take place.

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:35pm

      It’s called poetry. The bible is chock full of poetic metaphors.

      Considering Jesus was the ultimate passifist, do you really think he advocated killing people with a sword? I doubt he ever even picked up a sword…

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    • Glynrd Skynrd
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:05pm

      Just finished watching a Tunisian man who’d converted to Christianity get his head hacked of w/ a simi sharp butcher knife by local Muslim men, took them 2 minutes to sever his head, I couldn’t watch it all but felt in some way (like watching Schindlers List) I needed to acknowledge him, his stand. He‘d been taken to ther court Hbut having refused to renounce his Christianity he didn’t fight his attackers but whispered silent prayers (probably for their souls). How can anyone blame us for viewing Islam as a tyranical religion?

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:15pm

      @ THE_CABRITO_GOAT- You read the passages yourself. Why would Jesus say it if he didn’t mean it? Jesus did not come to die. He was going to defend himself against the Jews even if it meant he had to commit Jihad to do it.

      What do you think Peter used when he chopped off the ear of the Roman soldier a pear of scissors?!

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 12:10am

      surhancyberjihadsatan-
      You obviously salivate over any violent passage contained in the Bible. By comparison, when expressed as a percentage of cruel or violent verses, the qur’an has about twice as many as the Bible. Just because these passages are violent doesn’t make them islamic!
      Recently you indicated that Jesus prophesied the coming of muhammud, the “prophet” that denies the tenants, lessons, teachings and writings of the ONLY TRUE GOD: THE GOD OF ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB. Unfortunately for you YOU HAVE CHOSEN!
      -Between the 1600 year record of God to mankind as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, or the EXACT OPPOSITE through the stand-alone 23 year record of A SINGLE 7th century southwest Arabian desert dwelling illiterate, and his recycled Sabian and Quraish Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals. Rituals that take place in the city of Mecca, which no historical or archaeological record suggests, ever existed before immigrants from Yemen settled the area in about the 4th century AD!

      If Muhammad was a true prophet of the God of the bible, then all the other prophets were false!

      So what inspires you, sirhan?
      -To desire to believe the scriptures were corrupted? To run and hide from the Gospel?
      -It is “that spirit of antichrist” working in you heart and mind sirhan?

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 12:27am

      surhansurhan-I love the fact that dance around the subject because you cant answer certain specific questions that I’ve asked you for over a year. Heck, if you could provide us with any archaeological or historical evidence of mecca prior to the 4th century, we might be closer to understanding your prophet. It amuses me that you think I’m like Pavlov with his dogs, when you’re the one looking and salivating for an answer. Every time I see a post from you with that same information on it, I roll on the floor with laughter.
      If you didn’t care what we believed, you wouldn’t be here, so do us all a favor and go away!
      What kind of narcissistic freak (other than a troll or surhansurhan), would spend so much time on the message boards of THEBLAZE, with absolutely NO SUPPORTERS for his position?

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 12:33am

      Your interpretation of the Bible as a muslim is rejected by ALL but yourself and your muhammadist friends surhan, not just myself and other blazers.

      All men will not come to repentance surhan. Like Pharaoh, some will choose to reject the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob and to follow after OTHER gods. Call is humanism, secularism, hedonism, materialism, Romanism, muhamudism, Satanism, or atheism– its all paganism, which paves the road to hell.

      You claim to be such an avid Bible reader, yet only use its text to support your denial of it’s tenants.

      I understand you cant help yourself surhan.

      For example, When we quote any other islamic text than the quran to support our stance, you state you only believe the quran and the writings of islam, but when pushed and on the defensive you start quoting the New Testament.

      Deceivers are easy to spot surhan, they don’t answer questions directly, many times its just because they actually don’t understand the TRUTH.

      Your pretty ignorant for being such a ‘brilliant’ person.

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    • Ballot_Box_Revolution
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:52am

      Seriously??….I mean I agree that there is a BIG issue with Islam…..but has anyone thought about the numbers this sign is touting? If these numbers are correct that would be about 5 attacks per day…Is this really happening? What stats are they using? Because a Muslim killing a Christian‘s cat shouldn’t count…but i’m sure these types of cases were counted to get a number like that…..

      And people are so eager to jump on board and start quoting scripture……Stop being sheep

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:53am

      “THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE”

      http://patdollard.com/2012/08/muslim-brotherhood-begins-crucifixions-in-egypt/

      “Ibrahim said extra brutality is reserved for Christians, but the crucifixions are because of Islamic doctrine, and are required by the Quran. ”

      sur- isn’t it pleasant how all the peacefull muslims are getting their way in Egypt now?

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 2:08am

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Well, well, well if it’s not my old friend heartitorleavit. You see I‘m told by Christians that Jesus was better than Muhammad and that the Bible is a better book than the Qur’an because Jesus is love and Prophet Muhammad is hate. The Bible is the word of God and the Qur’an is the word of Satan.

      However, when you do a side by side comparison of each book and each individual, if you have an honest assessment you will see that there‘s hardly a hair’s difference between Muhammad and Jesus’ teachings.

      And that‘s the part that you can’t handle. You can’t handle the truth! You can’t handle that Jesus prophesied the coming of Muhammad. Or that Jesus is not God and that he did not say worship me. That Jesus did not die for the sins of the world.

      Once upon a time, a man came to Jesus and said: Matthew 19:16-17: Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

      17And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

      If Jesus is God, than the above verse is blasphemy because God is good, but Jesus is telling the man not to call him good, but to call God alone good. As a man, Jesus had a right to be modest. If Jesus is God he can’t be so modest because God is good and He would have to accept what the man is saying.

      You have the mistaken belief that there’s more than one God.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 2:32am

      more biblical interpretation’s from a non believer LMAO….
      ———————————————————————————————-
      “THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE”

      http://patdollard.com/2012/08/muslim-brotherhood-begins-crucifixions-in-egypt/

      “Ibrahim said extra brutality is reserved for Christians, but the crucifixions are because of Islamic doctrine, and are required by the Quran. ”

      sur- isn’t it pleasant how all the peacefull muslims are getting their way in Egypt now?

      rednckpreacher- you hit the nail on the head here, its a three step program- infiltrate,defend, attac…
      surhan-I wont have to “hold a candle” to you surhan, you’re gonna get enough heat on judgment day.

      Here is wisdom. He that has understanding let him count the multitude of the beast: for it is a man’s multitude; and its multitude is الله‎.

      You sure “study” up on the Bible alot for a guy who denies it teachings. Just like a good antichrist(ian).

      Know thy enemy.

      Look it up ballot box, the numbers speak for themselves:

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 2:34am

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Abraham, Ishmael, Issac, Jacob, Jesus, and Muhammad all worshiped the same God. There’s only one God!

      God told Moses to tell his people that there’s only one God and worship him. 1400 years after Moses, Jesus said the exact same thing word for word without the changing of a “.” or like it says in the Bible without the changing of a tittle to his followers.

      Prophet Muhammad is made to say in the Qur’an when he was asked by non Muslims what his concept of God is: He paused for a brief minute. And waited for the head computer in the sky (talking about God) to give him the answer to the question. God was pushing Muhammad’s buttons (metaphorically speaking, I mean God was giving him the answer to the question) after a minute Prophet Muhammad said:

      He is Allah. Allah the one and only. The Eternal, The Absolute. He does not give birth and He was not born, and there’s nothing at all, like unto Him.

      Exactly, what was given by Jesus before Muhammad and by Moses before Jesus. Muhammad is a true Prophet of God.

      You asked me: “So what inspires you, sirhan? -To desire to believe the scriptures were corrupted?”

      Let me give you an example of a corrupted scripture. We’re told that Matthew was a disciple of Jesus and that he wrote the book of Matthew. However, when you read the Book of Matthew you will see that the disciple Matthew had nothing to do with this book.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 3:04am

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Matthew 9:9: And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and Jesus saith unto him, Follow me. And Matthew arose, and followed Jesus.

      As you can tell (any child in standard 2 or what you call 2nd grade) will tell you that the above verse is not Jesus, nor is it the disciple Matthew. This is someone writing from an eyewitness or earwitness or historical point of view.

      Now, here’s what a good book looks like: Psalm we are told is the book of David. Well, let us have a look and see at the internal evidence to see if it true.

      Psalm 2:7: I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

      As you can see according to the internal evidence this is the book of David. David is speaking from the first person perspective, so we have no problem in recognizing that this is the book of David.

      By the way, how can God have two begotten sons if Jesus is supposed to be the “only” begotten son?

      Here’s John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

      Here’s Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

      Psalm was written 100 years before John, so, what happened? Did God forget that he already had a begotten son when John was written?

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 3:37am

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- As you can see, from this mistake alone we can see that the Bible is not the word of God. I’ll give you another example of the Bible not the word of God.

      Jesus told his followers that Elias had already come:

      Matthew 17:12-13: But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

      13Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

      Now here is how John the Baptist responds to the same question:

      John 1:19-21: And this is the record of John the Baptist, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

      20And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.

      21And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

      What the hell?! How can John the Baptist answer “I AM NOT”? John received the Holy Spirit while he was in his mother’s womb. Jesus is God (according to you and Christianity) How can both these men have a different answer to the same question?

      Jesus says this about John the Baptist: Matthew 11:11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:

      This is blasphemous! Someone is lying either John or Jesus! I’ll leave this to you Christians to figure out.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 4:17am

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Here‘s what you should be doing instead of waiting for archaeological or historical evidence on something you couldn’t care less about how about you explain some of the discrepancies I’ve outlined from the Bible.

      Or are you going to continue to dance on the proverbial pins head?

      Answer this question for me heartitorleavtit. If Jesus is God how come he doesn’t have the same kind of knowledge as God?

      Mark 13:32: But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

      How can Jesus be a God and not know Godly things? Because he was a man!

      Don’t forget you said: “Deceivers are easy to spot surhan, they don’t answer questions directly, many times its just because they actually don’t understand the TRUTH.”

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 12:30pm

      No, Jesus never said the exact three words, “I am God”. But Jesus also never said the exact four words, “I am a prophet” or the exact four words “I am a man,” but we know he was both a prophet and a man. It is not necessary for Jesus to say the exact phrase “I am a man” for us to know that he was a man. Likewise, it is not necessary for Jesus to utter the exact three words “I am God” in order for us to determine whether or not he is divine. Jesus may not have said the exact sentence “I am God” but he did claim the divine name for himself (Exo. 3:14 with John 8:58) and he also received worship (Matt. 2:2; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38).

      When Moses was up at the Mount speaking to God, Moses asked God what his name was. God said, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel,‘ ’I AM has sent me to you,’ (Exodus 3:14). In John 8:58 Jesus said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” Right after this the Jews picked up stones to throw at him. Later, in John 10:30-33 Jesus claimed to be one with the Father and the Jews wanted to stone him again because they said to Jesus, “You, being a man, make yourself out to be God.” Jesus had claimed the divine name for his own and the Jews wanted to kill him for it. Therefore, from Jesus’ own mouth we see that he was claiming to be God.
      :]
      first question ANSWERED

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 12:37pm

      We are done surhan, I will not respond to your antichristian dribble until you can provide an answer to my question…
      this means I don’t have to talk to you anymore. Have a nice judgment day… :]

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 12:51pm

      The God of Christianity and the God of Islam are not the same. First of all, the God of Christianity is a Trinity where the god of islam is not. The Trinity is the monotheistic teaching that God exists eternally as three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In islam, this is blatantly denied.(qur’an 5:116) (qur’an 4:171)
      Furthermore, in Christianity the doctrine of the Trinity allows for the incarnation of the Word. John 1:1, 14 says that the Word which was God was with God and became flesh and dwelt among us and was crucified (Matt. 26:2; 27:38). This is denied in islam, which says that Jesus is only a prophet and was not crucified.(qur’an 19:30)(qur’an 4:157)

      So, the God of Islam and the God of Christianity are not the same.

      Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the multitude of the beast: for it is the multitude of a man; and his multitude is لله‎.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 12:57pm

      muslims argue that John 14:16 is a prophecy about Muhammad. They argue this from a verse in the qur’an, (Surah 61:6).
      The alleged equivalent for Ahmad (“praised one”) in Arabaic is periclytos (“praised one”) in Greek. However, periclytos does not even occur in John 14:16. Instead, the Greek word paraclete (“helper”) occurs. Therefore, in order to support their argument, Muslims have to argue that the text of John has been corrupted!

      First, there is absolutely no ancient textual evidence among all of the over 5,600 Greek manuscripts to place the word periclytos (“praised one”) in place of paraclete (“helper”).2 For a Muslim to argue that the correct reading should be periclytos instead of paraclete, shows his lack of understanding of the actual Greek text and the reliability of the copying of the New Testament.

      Second, in the same passage, Jesus explicitly identified the “Helper” as the Holy Spirit: “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send, will teach you” (John 14:26). Therefore, with all due respect, the muslim argument is already defeated.

      Third, this “Helper” was given to Jesus’ apostles (the “you” in John 14:16) not to Arabs living over 550 years later! It was given to those who “have been with . . . [him] from the beginning” (John 15:27; cf. Acts 1:22; Luke 1:1-2). However, muhammad was not one of Jesus’ apostles.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:00pm

      cont……

      Fourth, this “Helper” was to abide with them “forever” (John 16), but Muhammad has been dead for over thirteen centuries!

      Fifth, Jesus told the disciples, “You know Him [the Helper]” (v. 17), but the apostles did not know Muhammad. He was not born until over 500 years later!

      Sixth, Jesus also told the disciples that the Helper would be “in you” (v. 17). How Muhammad could be “in” the disciples stretches all credibility. This reference of being “in” the disciples clearly is a reference to the Holy Spirit’s role of dwelling inside believers as the context of John (John 14:16-26) and the rest of the New Testament (Ephesians 1:13; 4:30) indicates.

      Seventh, Jesus said that the Helper would be sent “in My [Jesus’] name” (John 14:26). However, no Muslim believes that Muhammad was sent in Jesus’ name.

      Eighth, the Helper whom Jesus would send would not “speak on His own authority” (John 16:13). However, Muhammad constantly testifies of himself. For example, in Surah 33:40, Muhammad says of himself, “Muhammad is . . . The Apostle of God, And the Seal of the Prophets.”

      Ninth, the Helper would “glorify” Jesus (John 16:14). How would Muhammad actually be glorifying Jesus if Muhammad is the last (and the sealer) of the prophets? He really would not be “glorifying” an earlier, inferior prophet like Jesus.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:01pm

      cont…

      Tenth, and finally, Jesus said that the Helper would come in “not many days” (Acts 1:5), but Muhammad did not come for almost 600 years! Since the Helper is the Holy Spirit, He did come merely 40 days later (Acts 1:5; 2:1ff).

      Therefore, given the above evidence, the Holy Spirit clearly is the Helper in John 14:16, not Muhammad.

      :]

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:07pm

      My observation has been that the majority of “biblical contradictions” raised by muslims are nothing more than examples of their lack of understanding of biblical theology and context. Always read the context of verses. Don’t let a muslim simply state that there are contradictions and leave it at that. Ask him to give you one. If you cannot answer it, do research and get back to him. Sure, there are some tough areas of Scripture, but there are no contradictions in God’s Word.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:08pm

      The Muslim assumes the validity of the Qur’an and because it contradicts the Bible, the Bible is wrong. Well, the Christian can just as easily state that the Koran is wrong because it contradicts the Bible. But the Muslims would not accept that. Therefore, why should we accept their argument?

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:09pm

      Muslims often make the claim that Paul never met Jesus and was not a disciple or apostle of Jesus. Of course, this is not true. Paul encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus in Acts 9, after Jesus’ resurrection. Jesus spoke to him and commissioned him. So, Paul met Jesus. Furthermore, Paul visited the Jerusalem apostles Peter, James, and John who affirmed Paul’s mission and message (See Gal. 2:9. Also, see the context of Galatians 1:18 – 2:10.) Peter, who was a disciple of Jesus, personally authenticated Paul’s writings by calling them scripture in 2 Pet. 3:15-16. If they are inspired, then they cannot contradict Jesus’ words.

      In addition, many Muslims claim that Jesus never claimed to be God and that Paul is the one who wrote that Jesus was God. First of all, if they admit that Paul wrote that Jesus was God, then remind them of 2 Pet. 3:15-16 where Peter calls Paul‘s writings Scripture and affirms Paul’s message in Gal. 2:9. Nevertheless, they sometimes assert that Paul hijacked Christianity and took it over and made Jesus into something He was not. This claim is false.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:10pm

      Perhaps the primary area where Muslims think Paul and Jesus contradict is in the area of who Jesus is. Paul states that Jesus is God in flesh: Col. 2:9 says, “For in Him the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form,” (cf. Rom. 9:5). Muslims assert that no where in the Gospels did Jesus claim to be God. Therefore, they claim, Paul’s words are not true and the Bible is not trustworthy.

      This attack by Muslims is an attack based out of opinion. Jesus did claim to be God. In John 8:56-59, Jesus says, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57The Jews therefore said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple.”3 Why did the Pharisees want to kill Jesus? They explain their reason in John 10:33 when they say, “For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God,” (KJV). Whether or not the Muslim will accept this, let alone agree that this is correct, matters little because his presupposition will not allow him to accept, no matter what. Nevertheless, the text clearly states that the Pharisees understood that Jesus was claiming to be God.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:11pm

      cont…

      consider John 5:18 where the Apostle John says, “Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God,” (KJV). In this verse Jesus healed on the Sabbath and the Pharisees thought He was breaking the Sabbath law. John the Apostle also states that when Jesus claimed that God was His Father, that it was “making himself equal with God.” The Muslim will always find a way to argue out of these texts. But, two facts remain. First, Jesus claimed to be God. Second, the Pharisees denied that Jesus was God and the Muslims agree with them.

      There are other areas that the Muslims will say are where Jesus and Paul do not agree, but when they bring it up, always ask for an example. Each time I’ve done this, I’ve discovered that the Muslim did not have a sufficient understanding of what the text is saying. Remember, always read the context.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:19pm

      Muslims believe that the Bible has been corrupted (it hasn’t), so that they can make room for the justification to deny what it really says. Instead of believing the eyewitnesses, they believe what Mohammed said about Jesus 600 years later. So, essentially they are believing what their so-called Prophet said instead of those who actually walked and talked with Christ.

      Basic Christian theology teaches that Jesus was both God and man. He had two natures. He was both divine and human at the same time. This teaching is known as the hypostatic union; that is, the coming-together of two natures in one person. In Heb. 2:9 states that Jesus was “. . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . .” Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus “emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . .” Col. 2:9 says, “For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.” Jesus was both God and man at the same time.

      Therefore, since he was a man (though not only a man) and since he was made under the law, and lower than the angels, it is natural to conclude that he would have someone that he would call God. In this case, it is God the Father.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:20pm

      cont…

      But we must make a clarification. To say that Jesus Christ is God is not as clear a statement as it needs to be. Christianity teaches that God is a Trinity; that is, God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. To say that Jesus Christ is God is almost like saying that he is the Trinity, and that would make no sense. When the Christian says that Jesus is God, he really means that Jesus is divine in nature. Since God is three persons, and since Jesus is the second person in the Trinity, he shares the same divinity with the Father and Holy Spirit.

      Having explained this, when Jesus says “Our God” it must be understood that Jesus is speaking as a man. But it does not mean he does not possess the divine nature as well.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 2:08pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Don’t forget you said: “Deceivers are easy to spot surhan, they don’t answer questions directly, many times its just because they actually don’t understand the TRUTH.”

      I have seen your tactic before. You‘re trying to bombard me with so much information that you’ve copied and pasted that I will spend all day chasing my tail like the dog that chases his. I’m smarter than that.

      I have given you the contradictions that I’ve found. Answer those questions. How can God say that John the Baptist is Elias and when asked straight out John the Baptist says NO, I AM NOT! Oh, and by the way, since John the Baptist used the words “I AM” does that mean that he too is a God and part of the Trinity?!

      Speaking of Trinity, why is it that the word Trinity is not found in the Christian Bible? Why is it that the verse that describes the Trinity has been thrown out of the Bible as an interpolation? Thirty two scholars of the highest eminence backed by fifty different denominations of Christiandom says that the Trinity is a fabrication. These are Christians saying these things not Muslims. They are repeating what we’ve said for 1400 years.

      I’m told that the Bible has been translated into 2000 different languages. And in each of those languages there are 2000 different words for the helper that was to come after Jesus. Jesus didn‘t speak English so we know he didn’t use the comforter. He didn’t speak Greek….

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 2:56pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- …so we know he didn’t use the Greek word paraclete. In the Spanish language we’re told the word that was used is edredon. But Jesus didn’t speak Spanish. We’re told in Afrikaans the word used is trooster, but Jesus didn’t speak Afrikaans. The swedish word that is used is hjalparen however, Jesus didn’t speak that language either. You can see where this whole thing is going. You Christians have lost the name of the one that is supposed to come after Jesus.

      The Qur’an says Jesus used the word Ahmed which is another name for Muhammad. Muhammad is not speaking on his own authority.

      The Bible says: Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brotheren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.

      Each and every chapter of the Qur’an starts off with (In the name of Allah) and God Almighty says to him (say, Oh Muhammad) to fulfill the (I will put my words in his mouth) part of the prophesy.

      Prophet Muhammad does glorify Jesus throughout the Qur’an. The Jews had accused his mother Mary of being raped by a Roman soldier and this soldier was the father of Jesus. The Qur’an says:

      And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation. (42) O Mary! Be obedient to thy Lord, prostrate thyself and bow with those who bow (in worship)….

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 3:11pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- ….(43) This is of the tidings of things hidden. We reveal it unto thee (Muhammad). Thou wast not present with them when they threw their pens (to know) which of them should be the guardian of Mary, nor wast thou present with them when they quarrelled (thereupon). (44) (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah). (45) He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous. (46) She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. (47) And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel, (48) And will make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah’s leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah’s leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers. (49)

      No other religion in the history of the world says this about Jesus.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 4:04pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- You posted the comment: “Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:08pm
      The Muslim assumes the validity of the Qur’an and because it contradicts the Bible, the Bible is wrong. Well, the Christian can just as easily state that the Koran is wrong because it contradicts the Bible. But the Muslims would not accept that. Therefore, why should we accept their argument?’

      Again, you and the author that wrote this are absolutely wrong. The Bible is not the word of God because it contradicts the Qur’an, The Bible is not the word of God because it contradicts ITSELF!

      Allow me to give you some examples: John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time. 1 Timothy 6:16 God, whom no man hath seen, nor can see. Exodus 33:20 And God said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

      Contradicted by: Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses FACE to FACE, as a man speaketh unto his friend. Exodus 24:10 And they (Moses Aaron and seventy others) SAW the God of Israel. Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have SEEN God FACE to FACE, and my life is PRESERVED.

      And as a special dispensation God showed Moses his back parts:

      Exodus 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts.

      Here’s another contradiction: 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is NOT the author of confusion, contradicted by: Isiah 45:7 I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 4:53pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- You posted this: “Posted on August 18, 2012 at 1:09pm Muslims often make the claim that Paul never met Jesus and was not a disciple or apostle of Jesus.”

      You are half right here. Jesus and Paul never physical met one another. Since Jesus did not die there can be no resurrection. Paul claimed he had a vision from Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus never hand picked Paul as a disciple while he was still on earth. All of his disciples were Jewish. Paul anointed himself an apostle. He was self appointed.

      Paul also said that the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus was according to his gospel: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

      4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

      When Jesus’ followers heard that this fool was out there preaching something that Jesus had never taught them, they called him a babbler: Acts 17:18 … And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

      These people had broken bread with Jesus. Lived with Jesus. Prayed with Jesus and they had never heard him say any of the things this Babbler was teaching. They had never laid eyes on this guy during Jesus’ lifetime.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 5:49pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- As you can see Muslims aren’t the only ones concerned about the message from Paul.

      You guys are really drowning here. You’re grasping at straws. Drowning men will do that. Drowning women will too. You’re making this too easy for me. I’ve got to straighten you up, at the same time the person that wrote the article you keep coping and pasting from, I’m playing a game of chess and watching the American movie SALT all at the same time, while educating this PASSERBY2 person. You guys are not challenging at all.

      I’ve got to restrain half my brain in order to not get too bored. I started typing with one finger to keep it interesting.

      Answer this question for me: Is Christianity a polytheistic religion? If the answer is no, who was Jesus talking to when he said this?:

      Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

      Was Jesus praying to? Was it himself or was he praying to the first God or the second God of the Trinity? What about when he said this?:

      Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

      Who is Jesus praying to?…

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 6:13pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVIT- When Jesus was whipped with the cat-o-nine tails did the person doing the whipping think to himself he was whipping God?

      When the person that made the crown of thorns and placed it on Jesus’ head did they think they were placing the crown on the head of God?

      When they spit on Jesus did they think they were spitting on God?

      When Jesus was a baby and his mother changed his diaper did she think she was changing the diaper of God? What about when she breast fed him did she think he was God?

      If little kids teased him when he was a child were they teasing God?

      Do you see how silly all of this sounds?

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    • scotlass
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 7:37pm

      I agree with TheLiberalsAreComing!!!! There are no moderate Muslims. If there were they would be speaking out loud and clear that they don’t agree with the jihadists.

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    • HoneyBager7x7
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:16pm

      TheLiberalsAreComing, props on being first. Totally agree with you

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    • HoneyBager7x7
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:32pm

      I read your entire rant with heartitorleaveit and I have to say that Surhan, haha WOW, you really know how to reach, like really Reach haha. Thanks for giving me the ammunition I need to write up my report, you’ve been very helpful.

      SurhanSurhan: Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. (47) And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.

      Haha, there were no Gospels when he was born. Only the Torah and whatever else the Pharisees wrote (Talmud). FAIL. That was cute.

      I can’t believe you missed that bro. And if the Koran is so awesome and epic, his real name would have been put down and not his Greek nickname that dosen’t mean anything LOL (Jesus).

      SurhanSurhan, I read the Koran too, it’s such a lovely book. Anyone on the level of Terri Schiavo would appreciate it’s wisdom. haha.

      IF there is anything more stupid than a dumb socialist Liberal, it’s a Muslim that tries to read the Torah and compare it to the Koran. hahaha Such a fail.

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    • HoneyBager7x7
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:35pm

      “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

      (Sura 5, verse 51).

      “And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah DESTROY them; how they are turned away!”
      (Sura 9, verse 30).

      “Surely We have prepared for the unbelievers chains and shackles and a burning fire.”

      (Sura 76, verse 4).

      “And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.”

      (Sura 48, verse 13).

      Just making sure everyone here knows what the Koran says.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:24am

      Methods Muslims use to attack Christianity:

      No. 1 Attack the validity of the Bible
      No. 2 Attempt to set Paul against Jesus
      No. 3 Misrepresentation of Christian doctrine
      No. 4 Misinterpreting various Scripture passages
      No. 6 Claim their thinking is correct and Christian thinking is incorrect
      No. 7 Switching topics when challenged

      The Trinity. Muslims so often attack a false understanding of the Trinity by stating that it is three gods. That is not the correct Christian definition of the Trinity doctrine. Christianity does not teach there are three gods. It never has and it never will. The doctrine of the Trinity is that there is only one God who exists in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Trinitarianism is monotheistic. If a Muslim continues to proclaim that the Trinity is three gods, then SIMPLY STOP DISCUSSIONS with him because he is not willing to accept what the definition is and it isn’t possible to have a meaningful dialogue.

      Another Christian doctrine they fail to understand is the Hypostatic Union. This is the teaching that Jesus is one person with two natures. He is both God and man as is declared in Col. 2:9, “For in Him [Jesus] dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” Because Jesus was also a man, we have verses such as John 14:28 where Jesus says “the Father is greater than I.” Muslims will say that if Jesus is God, how could He be greater than Himself?

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:27am

      cont…
      Of course, they fail to understand the Trinity (three persons) and they fail to understand that Jesus, as a man (Phil. 2:5-8), cooperated with the limitations of being a man and was in a lower position than the Father (Heb. 2:9) for a while.
      Muslims refuse to accept Christian explanations for things because it doesn’t fit their agenda nor their preconceived ideas of what they think Christianity is.

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    • HoneyBager7x7
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:28am

      “They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them (the unbelievers) friends until they flee (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and KILL them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.”

      (Sura 4, verse 89).

      Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers.

      - Surah 48:29

      Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you.

      Surah 9:123

      Fact: Of the 1.4 billion Muslims 800 million are illiterate (6 out of 10 Muslims cannot read).

      The uneducated prophet of Islam called himself “a guardian of the illiterates sent by Allah” (Bukhari, 3:34:335)

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:42am

      In the history of the world, No other religion believes what islam says this about Jesus.

      Muslim try to undermine the strength and integrity of God’s word, to try to make it easier for them to win arguments, confound the Christian, and make converts of those who don’t know the truth and power of the Bible. This is what the devil did in the Garden of Eden. Satan said, “You truly will not die,” (Gen. 3:4). This is how DECEPTION begins, by bringing doubt upon God’s word, and that this is exactly what Muslims do. They try and get people to doubt the Bible and then tell you how great Islam is.
      The majority of “biblical contradictions” raised by Muslims are nothing more than examples of their lack of understanding of biblical theology and context. They are not capable of reading the context of verses in context. There are no contradictions in God’s Word

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:43am

      Paul encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus in Acts 9, after Jesus’ resurrection. Jesus spoke to him and commissioned him. So, Paul met Jesus. Furthermore, Paul visited the Jerusalem apostles Peter, James, and John who affirmed Paul’s mission and message (See Gal. 2:9. Also, see the context of Galatians 1:18 – 2:10.) Peter, who was a disciple of Jesus, personally authenticated Paul’s writings by calling them scripture in 2 Pet. 3:15-16. If they are inspired, then they cannot contradict Jesus’ words.

      muslims claim that Jesus never claimed to be God and that Paul is the one who wrote that Jesus was God. First of all, if they admit that Paul wrote that Jesus was God, then remind them of 2 Pet. 3:15-16 where Peter calls Paul‘s writings Scripture and affirms Paul’s message in Gal. 2:9. Nevertheless, they sometimes assert that Paul hijacked Christianity and took it over and made Jesus into something He was not. This claim is false.

      Perhaps the primary area where Muslims think Paul and Jesus contradict is in the area of who Jesus is. Paul states that Jesus is God in flesh: Col. 2:9 says, “For in Him the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form,” (cf. Rom. 9:5). Muslims assert that no where in the Gospels did Jesus claim to be God. Therefore, they claim, Paul’s words are not true and the Bible is not trustworthy.

      This attack by Muslims is an attack based out of opinion.

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    • ERP
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:44am

      @SurhanSurhan

      It’s intriguing that you choose your username to be for a man who is a convicted murderer and devout anti-American.

      What does that say about your character?

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:47am

      Jesus did claim to be God. In John 8:56-59, Jesus says, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57The Jews therefore said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple.”3 Why did the Pharisees want to kill Jesus? They explain their reason in John 10:33 when they say, “For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God,” (KJV). muslims will not accept this, because thier presupposition will not allow them to accept it, no matter what. Nevertheless, the text clearly states that the Pharisees understood that Jesus was claiming to be God. Also, consider John 5:18 where the Apostle John says, “Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God,” (KJV). In this verse Jesus healed on the Sabbath and the Pharisees thought He was breaking the Sabbath law.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:52am

      cont….
      John the Apostle also states that when Jesus claimed that God was His Father, that it was “making himself equal with God.” The Muslim will always find a way to argue out of these texts. But, two facts remain. First, Jesus claimed to be God. Second, the Pharisees denied that Jesus was God and the Muslims agree with them.

      There are other areas that the Muslims will say are where Jesus and Paul do not agree, but if you read the context the claims are found false.

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    • HoneyBager7x7
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:56am

      Muslims constitute 22 percent of world population with a 1 percent share of Nobel Prizes. Jews constitute 0.23 percent of world population with a 22 percent share of Nobel Prizes.

      Lol, dude was right. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. hotdog.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:58am

      If Jesus is God, then who did He pray to?

      This is a very common question and the answer is found in understanding the Trinity and the incarnation of Jesus.

      The Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all existence. This one God exists as three persons: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are not three gods, but one God. Each is a separate person, yet each of them is, in essence, divine in nature.

      A close analogy of the Trinity can be found by looking at the concept of time. Time is past, present, and future. There are three “aspects” or “parts” of time. This does not mean that there are three “times,” but only one. Each is separate, in a sense, yet each shares the same nature, or essence. In a similar way, the Trinity is three separate persons who share the same nature.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:00am

      @ HONEYBAGER7X7- You’re new to this so I wont be as hard on you as I would be on heartitorleaveit. When the Qur’an mentions the word Gospel in reference to Jesus it means anything that Jesus spoke is the Gospel. It’s not talking about what you Christians call the gospel. The books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

      Ahmed is another name for Muhammad what you Americans call a middle name. Ahmed is not Greek (you geek).

      There is no other book like the Qur’an (not Koran). What you call the Torah is not the Torah Moses left or that Jesus read while he walked the earth.

      You pointed out surah 5:51 as if to say this is a bad thing. If it is bad then the Bible must be bad as well because Christians are given the same admonishment:

      2 Corinthians 6:14-15 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

      15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

      Matthew 15:26 Jesus replied (to the non-Jewish lady), “It‘s not right to take the children’s (the Jews spiritual blessings) food and throw it to the dogs (non Jew).”

      Matthew 7:6 Do not give dogs (non-Jews) what is holy, and do not throw your pearls (spiritual blessings) before pigs (non-Jews).

      Just letting everyone know what the Bible says about infidels.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:02am

      cont….
      The Incarnation

      The doctrine of the incarnation in Christian teaching is that Jesus, who is the second person of the Trinity, added to himself human nature and became a man.

      The Bible says that Jesus is God in flesh, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…..and the word became flesh and dwelt among us,” (John 1:1, 14); and, “For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,” (Col. 2:9). Jesus, therefore, has two natures. He is both God and man.

      Jesus is completely human, but He also has a divine nature.
      GOD
      He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9)
      He is prayed to (Acts 7:59; 1 Cor. 1:2)
      He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)
      He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)
      He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)
      He knew all things (John 21:17)
      He gives eternal life (John 10:28; 17:2)
      The fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)

      MAN
      He worshiped the Father (John 17)
      He prayed to the Father (John 17:1)
      He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5).
      He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)
      He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)
      He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)
      He died (Rom. 5:8)
      He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)
      As a man, Jesus needed to pray. When He was praying he was not praying to Himself, but to God the Father.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:11am

      THE CONTEXT! THE CONTEXT! THE CONTEXT! THE CONTEXT! muslims should get a dictionary! dang….

      In order to understand the context of Jesus’ prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane in Matthew 26:38-39, it is important to first understand the context of Matthew 26. In this chapter, Jesus makes some interesting statements about His coming death.

      When talking to the disciples, He said, “You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is to be handed over for crucifixion,” (Mt. 26:2).

      When the woman anoints Jesus’ feet with a box of precious oil, Jesus says, “For you always have the poor with you; but you do not always have Me. 12 For when she poured this perfume on My body, she did it to prepare Me for burial.13 Truly I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be spoken of in memory of her,” (Mt. 26:11-13).

      When breaking the bread while He was performing the first Lord’s supper, He said, “‘…Take, eat; this is My body.’2 27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; 28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins,” (Mt. 26:27-28).

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:13am

      cont….
      And he would be struck down and resurrected from the dead (Mt. 26:31-32). All of these statements by Jesus indicate that He knew that He was going to die by crucifixion.

      The Garden of Gethsemane

      In Matthew 26:38-39 Jesus is praying in the Garden of Gethsemane, being deeply grieved about the sufferings that He is going to face. The Gospels record that He sweat great drops of blood, a condition known as hematidrosis where blood can be secreted in the sweat due to tremendous amounts of stress.

      Since Jesus was a man, He despised having to endure the shame of the cross (Heb. 12:2). However, He surrendered His will to God’s plan by saying “yet not as I will, but as You will” and willingly endured the cross. Jesus never says in this passage that He is not going to be crucified.

      Why did Jesus pray to “let this cup pass”?

      However, Muslims often wonder, if Jesus knew He was going to face crucifixion, why did He pray to the Father to not face crucifixion?

      Jesus was both God (John 1:1; 8:24) and man (John 1:14). As man, he faced the realities of pain and suffering. As any normal human being, Jesus did not want to have to face the rigors of the crucifixion events, but He willingly accepted God’s plan as the context of the Gospel of Matthew, the other Gospels, and the rest of the New Testament indicates.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:19am

      cont….

      Furthermore, it is true that the disciples did not expect Jesus to be crucified since they wanted a reigning political Messiah who would triumph over the Romans. This was consistent with the Jewish Messianic expectations of the first century. However, Jesus radically departed from this norm and suffered in His first coming (cf. Is. 52:13-53:12).

      The Crucifixion

      The Gospel of Matthew clearly teaches that Jesus was crucified (Mt. 27:33-56). For a Muslim to argue that Jesus was not crucified does not make sense both with the context of Jesus’ statements in Matthew 26, the rest of the Gospel of Matthew, the rest of the Gospels (see Mark, Luke, and John), the rest of the New Testament (cf. 1 Cor. 15:3-8), and various secular sources.5 This argument based on Matthew 26:38-39 is another failed attempt by Muslims to deny the crucifixion of Jesus.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:26am

      @ HONEYBAGER7X7- Fact: did you know of the 1.6 billion literate Christians Jesus said: Matthew 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

      Fact: Did you know that Jesus was illiterate too: John 7:15 The Jews therefore marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:26am

      S atan can’t
      U surp the
      R eality that the
      H istorical and / or
      A rchaeological evidence
      N eeded to
      S anctify the qur’an as the perfect
      U nblemished Word of God DOES NOT EXIST.
      R ighteous Almighty God has provided all the
      H istorical and
      A rchaeological evidence
      N eeded to Prove The Sacred Bible as the true Word of God.

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    • HoneyBager7x7
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:29am

      I said the name Jesus is Greek, not Ahmed, keep up child.

      SurhanSurhan:
      There is no other book like the Qur’an (not Koran). What you call the Torah is not the Torah Moses left or that Jesus read while he walked the earth.

      LOL! That was great. The Kuron is such an inspiration to the entire world. The Library of Alexandria, Nalanda Mahavidyalaya and The World Trade Centers must be a testament to that.

      -*-

      Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

      2 Corinthians 6:14-15 (The text never said to kill the Unbelievers, no where does it say that) WOW!. haha that’s a super stretch. Muslim reaching part 2.

      Matthew 15:24-28
      You never finished the entire story of what was going on, the womans daughter was HEALED. You neglect to put that part in.

      Matthew 7:6
      He was speaking of those who are Hypocrites cannot judge, only those in righteousness can judge. He was not talking about someone being a non-jew.

      Dude, you need severe mental help bro. Stick to what you know best, like beheading women, blowing up buildings and eradicating libraries of knowledge.

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    • HoneyBager7x7
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:40am

      SurhanSurhan
      Fact: did you know of the 1.6 billion literate Christians Jesus said: Matthew 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

      Fact: Did you know that Jesus was illiterate too: John 7:15 The Jews therefore marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

      -*-

      You are the first Muslim Comedian I have ever laughed this hard too. You deserve an Award.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:53am

      @ HONEYBAGER7X7- Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:35pm
      “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

      (Sura 5, verse 51).

      2 Corinthians 6:14-15 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

      15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

      The Bible and the Qur’an says the same thing. Try to keep up you ignoramus.

      You posted this: “Matthew 15:24-28
      You never finished the entire story of what was going on, the womans daughter was HEALED. You neglect to put that part in.

      The woman said this to Jesus: Matthew 15:27 She replied, “That’s true, Lord, but even dogs are allowed to eat the scraps that fall beneath their masters’ table.”

      In essence what Jesus did by healing her daughter was to give her the scraps. He did’t tell the lady to worship him as God. Or tell her how to get to heaven. Or tell her that he came to die for her sins. He didn‘t say he was God’s begotten son. Nothing, all he did was give crumbs from his table. As a matter of fact when she first approached him he turned his back on her and didn’t saw a word to her.

      Matthew 15:23 But he answered her not a word.

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    • HoneyBager7x7
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 2:27am

      SurhanSurhan, you are my new best friend hahahaha. Thank you for tonights entertainment.

      Now if you will excuse me, I’m off to watch Team America and True Lies.

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    • yoltz
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:06am

      this is my first post, bear with me as i explain a few things biblically to surhansurhan, if you need proof of the trinitys existence, have you ever considered gen. 1:1, in the beginning God created, the word used for God is elohim, it is a plural noun, defining a plural meaning to a singular entity, as further proof, go to vs 26, where it is stated by God, let us make man in our image, see the plurality used in the words us and our, if this doesnt explain a plural nature ie the Trinity, then there is no hope for you who believe not, furthermore, Jesus states many times in the scriptures, the phrase I AM, hebrew, ehyeh asher ehyeh, ie I AM equating divinity, so all of the comments on Jesus claiming He never said or equated Himself with divinity are ignorant of word origins and meanings, He also did say , love thy neighbor as thyself, a concept that escapes Islam, as we can see daily on the news at how they love their neighbors, check out the many beheadings, crucifixions, rapes, stolen property and threats to all who disagree with their satanically inspired dogma, a so-called religion enforced by hate and violence, written by the biggest hypocrite to his own “ religion of peace ” which peace when it exists in muslim countries is a suffocating enslavement, or death

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:59am

      @ YOLTZ- The Bible is a Jewish book full of metaphors and symbolism’s for which you have no experience in. You don’t have a background in. The argument between Muslims and Christians is you are taking things that were meant metaphorically and taking them literally.

      You mentioned in the book of Genesis that God is speaking about Himself in plural form and that this plural form supports your idea of a Trinity. You’re wrong. In middle eastern culture (including Arabs and Jews) and in British English, there are 2 types of plurals. There’s a plural of numbers and plurals of respect.

      There is no such thing as a plural of respect in American English (which I take it you are). Which is probably why you’ve never heard of plural of respect. The Old Testament is translated from Hebrew and the text that you have given us from Genesis is not a plural of numbers, but a plural of respect that the Jews had for God.

      In Great Britain when the Queen makes a proclamation her proclamation is read in the same fashion that you’ve outline from Genesis. The proclamation is not speaking on behalf of her her husband and her son, but a plural of respect.

      The Hebrew phrase: “ehyeh asher ehyeh” doesn’t mean divinity. Loosely translated it means “I am whatever I am” God told Moses to go tell his people to repent and worship Him and Moses said to God. “they are going to want to know who sent me. What shall I tell them…what shall I say?”..

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:23am

      @ YOLTZ- …God said to Moses “look don’t waste time on who I am go tell them “ehyeh asher ehyeh” I am what I am.

      For instance you might say to me…,well, what is your backing ground in religion? My response would be: look, don’t waste time on me, if I said something and you liked it, accept it, if you didn’t like it, reject it. I am what I am; “ehyeh asher ehyeh”

      One last thing, and this is very important. A religion cannot be judged by the people that call themselves whatever the name of the religion is. You have to look to the teachings of it‘s religious book and then you will get a better idea of what it’s all about. You also have to study it with and open mind, almost with the intention on converting. You don’t have to convert but you get a better understanding of what the other guy is thinking. What angel he’s coming.

      Learn about Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Islam, but learn as if you’re going to convert in order to have a good idea about what you know.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:38pm

      The Myth:

      The qur’an is to muslims what the Bible is to Christians (and the Torah to Jews).

      The Truth:

      The qur’an only contains what is presented as the literal words of allah – as relayed by muhammad. It can be compared to a manufactured text that includes only the words of Jesus (the so-called “red-letter” verses) extracted from their New Testament historical context and then randomly mixed together (the chapters of the qur’an are arranged by size and themes are rarely consistent even within each chapter).

      By contrast, the Bible contains history and biographical detail. For example, there is nothing in the qur‘an that details muhammad’s life, whereas the Bible contains four books that present all that is known about the biography of Jesus. Another distinction is that when the Bible commands violence – as it does in a handful of Old Testament verses – the intended target is explicitly defined within the passage, leaving little doubt that it is a recounting of history and not an open-ended command for anyone else to do the same. cont…

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:41pm

      cont….
      Despite the rhapsody with which Muslims sing the qur‘an’s praises, there is an obvious reason why only a minority have actually bothered to delve deeper than an occasional sporadic perusal through its pages. The random arrangement of verses and near absence of context makes it difficult to understand. For this reason the qur’an is rarely printed without the incorporation of voluminous commentary (that usually expresses the personal preferences of the translator).

      In fact, the Muslim counterpart to the Bible is the qur’an, hadith and sira combined.

      The hadith is a collection of anecdotes and historical snippets of Muhammad’s life based on the relayed narrations of those who lived with him. Unfortunately, authenticity varies. But the most dependable compilers are agreed by Muslims scholars to be Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, followed by Abu Dawud. It is on the hadith that Islamic law (Sharia) is based.
      The Sira is the biography of Muhammad’s life. Again, there are reliability issues which would appear somewhat bewildering to Christians, given that the gospels were well in place within the first few centuries following the crucifixion – which preceded Muslim history by over 600 years.
      cont…

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:45pm

      cont….
      Still, the most reliable biography of muhammad was compiled by Ibn Ishaq, who wrote about 150 years after his death. His original work survives only in what was “edited” by a later translator (Ibn Hisham, who admitted that he filtered out several accounts that were of a distasteful nature).

      A failure to recognize that the Bible is only comparable to the qur’an, hadith and sira together often leads to faulty accusation and misplaced analysis.

      ——————————————————————————————————–

      muslims often complain of popular “misconceptions” about their religion in the West.
      If you look hard, you will find that the most prevalent myths of Islam are the ones held by Muslims and Western apologists. The only glaring exception to this is the misconception that all muslims are alike (they aren’t, of course), but even muslims often believe this as well, as evidenced by the various contrary factions insisting that they are the true muslims, while those who disagree with them are either infidels, hijackers, or hypocrites.

      Don’t be fooled! Hear the myths, but know the truth!

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:37pm

      Weekly Jihad Report
      Aug . 11 – Aug. 17
      Jihad Attacks:

      57
      Allahu Akbars*:

      7
      Dead Bodies:

      289
      Critically Injured:

      603
      *Suicide Attacks

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:38pm

      Islam’s Latest Contributions to Peace
      “Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
      to the unbelievers but merciful to one another” Quran 48:29

      2012.08.19 (Lashkar Gah, Afghanistan) – Islamic bombers kill two people at a cemetery.
      2012.08.19 (Malgobek, Ingushetia) – A Fedayeen suicide bomber enters a funeral and slaughters at least seven mourners.
      2012.08.18 (Mosul, Iraq) – Muslim terrorists kill six family members in their homes.
      2012.08.18 (Michni, Pakistan) – Four young men are brutally gunned down by radical Sunnis.
      2012.08.18 (Herat, Afghanistan) – Fundamentalist bombers murder four people at a crowded market.
      2012.08.18 (Aden, Yemen) – An al-Qaeda rocket attack and suicide bombing leaves twenty people dead.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:51pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Let us have a look at what Christians have to say about the King James version Holy Bible.

      The King James Version has with good reason been termed “the noblest monument of English prose.“ Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for ”its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression … the music of its cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.” It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt.

      Now, prepare for the shocker! Prepare for the shocker!

      By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it evident that its defects were so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation.

      This task was undertaken by 32 scholars of the highest eminence. Backed by 50 different denominations of Christian churches.

      Trinity was thrown out as a fabrication. In John 3:16 the word begotten was thrown out as a fabrication. In Genesis 1:1 where it says God created the heaven and the earth was changed to God created the heaven(s) and the earth. John 1:1 was thrown out as a fabrication.

      This was all done by Christians not Muslims. We Muslims agree with these changes. We believe they do not go far enough.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:30pm

      Let us have a look at what ‘palestinians’ have to say about themselves:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeIQomcc3y4&feature=player_embedded

      Let us have a look at what the muslim brotherhood have to say about Christians in Egypt:
      http://patdollard.com/2012/08/muslim-brotherhood-begins-crucifixions-in-egypt/

      Let us have a look at what the muslims do to celebrate ramadan:
      “The Religion of Peace made it a Ramadan to remember, with
      over 1200 people losing their lives to the usual orgy of bombings,
      beheadings, stabbings and shootings that mark Islam’s holiest month.”

      Let us have a look at the 2012 Scorecard:
      Terror attacks In the name of the “Religion of Peace”= 260
      Dead bodies= 1206

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:36pm

      Let us have a look at what muslims have to say about the qur’an:
      The Qur’an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). If the Qur’an is a perfect book from Allah, then there shouldn’t be any contradictions in it. Of course, the Muslims will deny any contradictions exist in the Qur’an, but they do. Some of the contradictions below could be debated, but some of them are clearly contradictions.

      A contradiction occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the possibility of another. The first one here is a good example. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since “nothing” excludes the possibility of “clay.” Both cannot be true.

      All quotes from the Qur’an, unless otherwise specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur’an online.

      -What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

      “Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,” (96:2).
      “We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
      “The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,” (3:59).
      “But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?” (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
      “He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:41pm

      cont….
      Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur’an?

      “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things,” (2:256).
      “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith,” (9:3).
      “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful,” (9:5).
      Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued,” (9:29).

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:42pm

      cont….
      The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?

      “And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam,” (39:12).
      “When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: “O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee.” Allah said: “By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me.” When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: “Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe.” (7:143).
      “And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; “Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam,” (2:132).
      Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?

      Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed,” (4:48). Also 4:116

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:43pm

      cont….
      The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: “Show us Allah in public,” but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority,” (4:153).

      Are Allah’s decrees changed or not?

      “Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” (6:34).
      “The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
      None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?” (2:106).
      When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not,” (16:101).

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:44pm

      cont….
      Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?

      “We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: “I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): “Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!” (10:90-92).
      Moses said, “Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!” So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him,” (17:102-103).

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:46pm

      Let us have a look at what Christians have to say about islam:

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/its-not-islamophobia-its-islamorealism-anti-islamic-ads-go-up-in-n-y-suburb/

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:55pm

      current versions of the KJV contain the following phases and words:

      -John 3:16

      King James Version (KJV)

      16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

      -John 1:1

      King James Version (KJV)

      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      Some very confused muslims have stated:
      “This task was undertaken by 32 scholars of the highest eminence. Backed by 50 different denominations of Christian churches.

      Trinity was thrown out as a fabrication. In John 3:16 the word begotten was thrown out as a fabrication. In Genesis 1:1 where it says God created the heaven and the earth was changed to God created the heaven(s) and the earth. John 1:1 was thrown out as a fabrication. ”

      THIS IS A LIE!

      I’ve already addressed the Trinity on this page…..

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:04pm

      http://www.ncccusa.org/newbtu/aboutrsv.html

      “A major reason for revision of the King James Version, which is valid for both the Old Testament and the New Testament, is the change since 1611 in English usage. Many forms of expression have become archaic, while still generally intelligible—the use of thou, thee, thy, thine and the verb endings -est and -edst, the verb endings -eth and -th, it came to pass that, whosoever, whatsoever, insomuch that, because that, for that, unto, howbeit, peradventure, holden, aforetime, must needs, would fain, behooved, to you-ward, etc. Other words are obsolete and no longer understood by the common reader. The greatest problem, however, is presented by the English words which are still in constant use but now convey a different meaning from that which they had in 1611 and in the King James Version”…

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:37pm

      If your going to read Luke 19:27 (The Parable of the Ten Minas, starting at Luke 19:11) and then quote that Jesus said “But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.”

      YOU should probably read Luke 19:12 that states ” “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. 13 Calling ten of his servants,[a] he gave them ten minas,[b] and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.”
      The NOLBLEMAN Jesus “quoted” in his PARABLE, DID INDEED SAY a few things, and was QUOTED by Jesus IN the PARABLE…..

      -no·ble·man   [noh-buhl-muhn] noun, plural no·ble·men.
      a man of noble birth or rank; noble; peer.

      Jesus WAS NOT DESCRIBING HIMSELF, he was telling a PARABLE.

      -par·a·ble   [par-uh-buhl] noun
      1.a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
      2.a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.

      -ig·no·rance   [ig-ner-uhns] noun
      the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:47pm

      The Parable of the Ten Minas

      Luke 19:11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. 13 Calling ten of his servants,[a] he gave them ten minas,[b] and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’ 15 When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by doing business. 16 The first came before him, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made ten minas more.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant![c] Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made five minas.’ 19 And he said to him, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’ 20 Then another came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief; 21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:52pm

      cont….

      22 He said to him, ‘I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’ 24 And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’ 25 And they said to him, ‘Lord, he has ten minas!’ 26 ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.”

      Actually the ‘nobleman’ said it best in this parable, Jesus was quoting the nobleman.

      “Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”
      Benjamin Franklin

      What a shame :]

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 21, 2012 at 2:36pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- You started your whole little string off by telling us what Muslims say about the Qur’an, yet you didn’t offer up any information from Muslims. All the information you gave us came from what Christians have to say about Islam.

      We know that you do not accept the Qur’an as the word of God. So, let‘s set the Qur’an aside and concentrate on the Bible. If you agree that God word should not contradict itself, then explain why the Bible does. Explain why Jesus said John the Baptist is Elias and John the Baptist says I AM NOT.

      Explain how the Bible says no man can see God and Live, yet the Bible says Moses and seventy others SAW God. Moses spoke to God FACE to FACE. Your silence tells me you have no answer for these discrepancies. Explain to us how Jesus can be God’s ONLY begotten son, yet David was called a begotten son one hundred years before David.

      You’ve got some explaining to do! You mentioned that some of the words and phrases that I said were thrown out of the Bible are not thrown out, but are actually in the Bible. True, they have been restored to the Bible, but why? They restored it, not because they got a message from God to put it back. They restored it because, and this is a direct quote from Christians:

      “Individuals and two Church denominations demanded they put it back in again.”

      http://www.katapi.org.uk/RSV/RSVCommonBPreface.htm

      (Continued)

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:18pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Let’s talk about parables. Jesus says he spoke in parables because he did not want the non Jew to know what he was talking about and to convey a message or thing he wanted to take place:

      Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

      In Luke 19:27 Jesus is telling his followers that if the children of Israel do not follow him, that his followers were to bring them to him and kill them in front of him. He said it as a parable because he didn’t want the non Jew to understand what he was saying.

      Let us have a look to see what Christians say about the authors of the Christian Bible. Are the Bible writers of the Holy Bible anonymous? Authors in a Nutshell.

      This is from those 32 scholars backed by 50 different denominations of Christian churches. Lets start with GENESIS the first book of the Bible. Scholars say about its “AUTHOR”: “ONE OF THE ‘FIVE BOOKS OF MOSES’.“ Take notice of the words ”five books of Moses” are written in inverted commas- “ ” This a subtle way of admitting that this is what people say- that it is the book of Moses, that Moses was its author, but we (the 32 scholars) who are better informed, do not subscribe to that tittle-tattle.

      The next four books “Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy”: AUTHOR? “Generally credited to Moses.” This is the same category as the book of Genesis.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:49pm

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Who is the other of the book of “JUDGES?” Answer: “Possible Samuel”. Who is the author of “RUTH?” Answer: “Not definitely known.” AND

      Who is the Author of:

      1st Samuel?……….Answer Author “Unknown”
      2nd Samuel?……..Answer? Author “Unknown”
      1st King?………….Answer? Author “Unknown”
      2nd King?…………Answer? Author “Unknown”
      1st Chronicles?….Answer? Author “Unknown, probably…”
      2nd Chronicles?…Answer? Author “Likely collected…”

      And so the story goes. The author of these anonymous books are either “UNKNOWN” or are “PROBABLY” or “LIKELY” or are “CREDITED TO.”

      OTHER BOOKS OF THE BIBLE

      Ezra- Author. PROBABLY written or edited by Ezra.
      Esther- Author. UNKNOWN.
      Jobs- Author. UNKNOWN.
      PSALMS- Author. Principally David, though there are Other Writers.
      Ecclesiastes- Author. Doubtful, but Commonly Assigned to Solomon.
      Isiah- Author. Mainly credited to Isiah. Parts May have been Written by Others.
      Jonah- Author. UNKNOWN
      Habakkuk- Author. Nothing Known of the place or time of his birth.

      The Qur’an says: And woe to those who write the book with there own hands and then say: “This is from Allah.” To traffic with it for a miserable price! So woe to them for what their hands do write, and woe to them for what they earn thereby! (Holy Qur’an 2:79)

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    • heartitorleaveit
      Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:44pm

      I started my whole little string off by telling us what Muslims say about the Qur’an, did offer up information from the qur’an.The qur’an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). these are the words of muhammud and I’m pretty sure he is a muslum and most muslims would agree.

      We know that most muslims do not accept the Bible as the word of God. So any interpretations of the Bible by a muslim is invalid and ridiculous.

      Tactic #7 Switching topics when challenged:
      Switching topics when challenged with contradictions in the quran is a typical technique used by musims. Very often this change involves attacking the Bible. Other times they will testify that they know Islam is true or they will simply say that you do not know what you are talking about. Continuing dialogue at this point us useless and a waste of time.

      S atan can’t
      U surp the
      R eality that the
      H istorical and / or
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      N eeded to
      S anctify the qur’an as the perfect
      U nblemished Word of God DOES NOT EXIST.
      R ighteous Almighty God has provided all the
      H istorical and
      A rchaeological evidence
      N eeded to Prove The Sacred Bible as the true Word of God.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 22, 2012 at 12:11am

      @ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- You Americans have a saying (if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen). You Christians give up too easily. You and I are both brain-washed about our religions. The difference between you and me is I am willing to be persuaded. I have not run across a Christian yet that could persuade me.

      Everything I have given you about the Bible came from people that call themselves Christians. This statement by you:

      “I started my whole little string off by telling us what Muslims say about the Qur’an, did offer up information from the qur’an.The qur’an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). these are the words of muhammud and I’m pretty sure he is a muslum and most muslims would agree.”

      You used the word “Muslims” (plural) and you offered up one Muslim (singular). And you stated “these are the words of Prophet Muhammad. Those are not the words of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an is not like the Bible. The Qur’an is THE WORD of GOD revealed to Muhammad. Prophet Muhammad sayings and actions are in a separate book known as the Authentic Hadiths, which you are all too familiar with.

      You mentioned that you challenged me and I switched topics. If you recall I challenged you first about those discrepancies in the Bible and to this day you still have not responded to them. I’ll keep checking to see if you do, but I wont (how do you say it (hold my breath).

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on August 27, 2012 at 2:42pm

      For shame. You let him win.

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  • Deibido
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:44pm

    Obama and his entire adminsitration are simply useful idiots. Soro’s scatches his nutts, Obama gets an itch. When Soro’s calls Obama, he teaches him a new chant each week.. this week it was collapse, collapse, and collapse – America is in the way you must hurry up Barak!

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  • 00gabooga
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:43pm

    The truth hurts. But not as much as being blown up so some jerk can score 72 chicks.

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  • Caballosinnombre
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:41pm

    After seeing how muslims treat Christians at muslim events in Dearborn, Michigan, I’m not so sure that muslims are as peaceful as they want you to believe.

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    • TheVoice1
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:49pm

      Dearborne is an excellent example of hatred and violence endorsed by Muslim officials there…. Black Panthers blast away their hate and nothing is said again… anytime someone puts up a reality check sign the media calls it hate….

      yet stay encouraged America, real change is coming, in more ways than one…..

      Stand Strong America

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  • blackyb
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:41pm

    Yes, they want you in the dark because that is where vermin and evil operate best.

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  • ChiefGeorge
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:38pm

    Harris said. “There are extremists in every religion whose views reflect hatred and bigotry towards people they don’t understand, and to condemn the entire faith based on the views of a small minority is unwarranted.”

    There is the rationale righ there and its pure moral relativism at its best. Everybody is guilty so why single out anyone. But thats not even the case in todays world. Jihad is being executed worldwide and we sit and are complacent because it seems far away. When their numbers reach even 10% in any one given community then thats when action on their parts begins. They begin to demand certain foods bo stocked locally, they demand prayer time at their work and facilities, they expect the law to obey their Sharia laws, they then begin to place political leaders forward and the rest is history, the takeover complete like in Dearborn, MI. Wake up Americans or see your children and their children placed into a slave labor camp under muslim control.

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    • toto
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:44pm

      And they are not nearly a “small minority” of Muslims that are involved in cultural jihad. Muslims want to live instead of infidels (which is everybody but Muslims), not with them.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 5:09pm

      And Conservative Christians kill doctors and bomb clinics seeking to impose their religious views on the rest of the Nation, forcing a secular republic to submit to a backward cult.

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    • dbsmit4
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 6:02pm

      @ ENCINOM – What are you talking about? You just start calling people racist and have nothing to back it up. Typical liberal.

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    • Govt_Lies
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 6:13pm

      The people that divert attention away from this growing issue in order to attack another religion are the useful idiots communists describe in infiltrating the US.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 6:50pm

      encinom
      I’ll stack up the Olympic Park bomber & the murderer of Dr. Tiller any day of the week against the horror stories aggregated by Vlad Tepes Blog (VladTepseblog.com) daily. The bomber & the murderer were not condoned, trained or supported by Christian churches.

      Hindus escape forced conversion, discrimination in Pakistan and head for India
      http://vladtepesblog.com/?paged=2

      That is just one small portion of Islam. the rest of Islam is the same (like in Egypt).

      I noticed that Leonard Pitts used a list provided by the Southern Poverty Law center. They included a leftist in the list of right wing extremists. It was the guy who flew a plane into the IRS building in Texas. He was a leftists judging from his writings. You guys have to pad the list.

      I can walk into a Roman Catholic Church or Methodist church or whatever, & they are not going to give sermon praising the Olympic Park bomber or the murder of Dr. Tiller. But I am sure that many in the LGBT community are upset that Floyd Corker did not kill anyone & get them all.

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    • LIBERTARIAN T38
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 7:36pm

      Encicom,
      please let me buy you a ticket to Afghanistan. Seriously, you’ll love it there. They are as liberal as you.

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    • momrules
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 7:45pm

      walkabout………thank you for bringing the vladtepesblog webe site to my attention. It is new to me but is very timely and interesting.

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    • bitterclinger
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 9:44pm

      i imagine this young woman wished she had met more “moderate” Islamists:

      http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/08/two-muslim-immigrant-men-allegedly-gang.html

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  • pecosval
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:37pm

    Time for us to speak out against all the crap we are sick of……..the facts don’t lie!!!!!!!!

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 5:10pm

      true, Geller and the rest of the Conservative Christians are racists and bigots seeking to destroy the Constitution and replace it with a Taliban styled Christian Theocracy.

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    • dbsmit4
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 6:04pm

      @ENCINOM – Do you now anything about the constitution? Or who wrote it?

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 8:36pm

      Why aren’t you banned yet, Encinom?

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  • Skrewedretiree
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:36pm

    Well, let’s see…..

    We have to get rid of anything referring to God and take down all the crosses and all the 10 Commandments and we can’t pray in public or on public property, but wait….!

    We allow ANYTHING moo-slum including blocking traffic in New York City so all the moo-slums can line up in the streets and prostate themselves in prayer, we have to show deferrence to moo-slums and shut down and shut up Christians, so what’s the problem?

    The problem is the country is being taken over by Atheists on one hand and Moo-slums on the other; one says there is no God, the other says there is no God but THEIR God and they will kill or enslave anyone who does not submit to their will.

    See what multi-culturalism and “diversity” has gotten us? It’s about time we start seeing something posted in public reminding everyone of the REAL WORLD and not the Pretend Place in the Obamanation.

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  • topperj
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:35pm

    The Muslim Brotherhood is counting on useful idiots, like Paul Feiner, to make their job here in America easier. Read their own literature about their goals, Paul, and get yhou head out of your arse.

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  • fancynancy
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:33pm

    I am sure there are Muslims that do not ascribe to jihad. But the truth is that terrorist attacks are carried out predominately by Muslims. The goal of Islam is to kill infidels – those are not or will not convert to Islam. That includes eliminating Israel and the US. I do not find anything wrong with the sign- the truth is the truth. Read Gabrielle’s book called “Because They Hate” if you want/need more understanding.

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  • Tigress1
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:33pm

    The goal of terrorism is to kill and/or create fear. Right? Muslim terrorists commit these acts in the name of their religion. Now, when people are rationally and realistically afraid, suspicious, or simply do not like people of this religion they are made fun of with the term “Islamophobe”. When these acts of terrorism (which happen practically on a daily basis) end, people will gradually get over their fears, etc. By the way, this “fear” is a healthy fear, not an irrational fear as the word “phobia” implies. It is a necessary “wariness” which is needed for survival and the ability to win this War on Terror(ism).

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  • AJAYW
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:32pm

    Muslims obama and holder will not allow this to stay up long.

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  • Individualism
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:32pm

    but there has been more attacks by skinheads than Islamists but that doesn’t fit in the Neo Con agenda. o and if you want to identify by religion most are christian. If you expand gun rights and get rid of brady bill there nothing to worry about.

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    • Skrewedretiree
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:39pm

      Really? Let’s see your proof, or are you just another knee-jerk liberal who likes to get snarky and point the finger and say, “Well maybe, but THOSE guys are just as bad!”

      So….How many “skinhead” attacks have there been since 9-11 and how many thousand did they kill? And if this were true, why don’t we hear about it in the news all the time like we do about the moo-slums?

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    • momrules
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:45pm

      I usually avoid you like the plague but your comment is an absolute lie. How can you stand yourself? How can you just make up things and throw them out there as truth and then live with yourself?

      I think you really are a Muslim pretending to be a Paul supporter because Paul supporters are not this stupid.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:56pm

      in one year there were 800,000 police brutality cases. i can say many more things but that you might destroy your computer.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:00pm

      o sorry it was since 9/11 alone in America.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:08pm

      “but there has been more attacks by skinheads than Islamists ”

      I would LOVE to see some proof of that. And the link better not start with http://www.CAIR.org.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:14pm

      should i mention how many attacks and deaths by military?

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:15pm

      I am an Atheist and i see that some of your folks are no different than they are and no better.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:20pm

      The Enemy of the FREE… consists of Islam… and Socialists, as Communists, Nazis, Fascists, and Progressives!

      Slavery offers Permanent Security… and opposes Freedom! CHOOSE!

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:45pm

      INDI is definitely a Lefty Troll. He smears the police, the military , and “skinheads .” INDI is probably one of the future Lefty dudes who will tear up the Republican convention in their phony Ron Paul gear. Am sure they all saved their Guy Fawkes masks and their hoodies from their OWS theater days. ( shhhh: remember , we Republicans are supposed to be too dumb to expect this coming from our sneaky , arrogant Lefties )

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 5:09pm

      i am sure you will be one of those thugs that attack those peaceful protestors and if anything happens to you from it, you deserved it lol.

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    • team1blazer
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 6:34pm

      Go back to your mothers basement, idiot troll.

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  • ChiefGeorge
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:32pm

    How does it encourage any but realism about what is going on around us and who is doing it. Whenever there is a mass shooting, the first thing the media trys to find out, is what kind of ideology did the person have, where did he work, live, go to church, who were his friends, what were his INFLUENCES?

    But when it comes to this Islam thing, we’ve never seen nothing like it on our generation, mass killings everyday, shootings of our service personal by the same people we placed trust in (Ft Hood to name just one) and are working with day to day. I’m getting off on a rant now, but I say not one more US serviceman or woman should die in the effort to drag these people into the 21st century. Its not fair to ask them to stand shoulder to shoulder with these people (as I heard a pastor at a local church say we should) who turn on you in a second like what we heard today during a graduation ceremony in which as soon as the guy got his weapon he began firing it and killing two US servicemen. I like and respect Ms. Keller for her work, she was the instrument that got the ground zero mosque shut down.

    She is a true patriot in her own way and we should be thanking her for taking such a position against Jihadi elements.

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    • momrules
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:50pm

      Pamela Geller is one of the bravest women on the planet and a very real patriot. She gets more death threats in a day from these so called peace loving Muslims than all politicians get in a year. The Muslims and their army of liberal supporters hate her because she tells the truth and will not back down.
      She remains in my prayers.

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  • Tom K
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:32pm

    These politically correct “officials” should take a field trip to, oh say, Dearborn, Mich. and just hang out for a few days; or some Muslim neighborhood in Paris or London where the Police WILL NOT even enter ! Oh, can’t we all just get along ? NO, not when it comes down to “convert to Islam or Die” ! Political Correctness is a lie and will get you killed.

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    • Skrewedretiree
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:44pm

      I agree! The statement made in this article that “there are plenty of muslims residing in Greenburgh and in our villages” and “they should not be discriminated against” is such tripe!

      There are many more Christians residing in our towns and villages yet our crosses and Ten Commandments have to come down. So why is it ok to officially discriminate against Christians but not Moo-slums?

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  • Diane TX
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:31pm

    We’re all still waiting for American Muslims to denounce the maiming and killing of Christians in Muslim majority countries.

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    • chips1
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:52pm

      If you hold your breath too long, you’ll be a Smurf.

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    • momrules
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:04pm

      Yes Diane, where are all the calls from the Muslims in America denouncing jihad against Christians? Why aren’t they denouncing Achmadinajab and the imams calling for the destruction of Israel? When are American Muslims doing to denounce Nidal Hasan?

      Never, never and never.

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 7:16pm

      @Diane, That sure would be nice to hear. Of course, if they did are you sure the media would pick up on it? Forgive my skepticism, because I definitely agree with you. I guess I’m little over sensitive to government propaganda. GB always says it’s up to us… why don’t we take it upon ourselves to contact muslim leaders in the states and get their take on it?

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  • PATTY HENRY
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:29pm

    STEREOTYPING ?? Really?? Now telling the Truth is STEREOTYPING? Islam is not a Faith/A Religion
    it is a Cult. And this…”don’t whitewash all Muslims with this…? REALLY? Do you hear any Muslims speaking out against the horrific hate-speech of their IMams? GO GELLER!!! These cultist tried this
    world take-over in the year 1000 after being a warring faction since their made-up inception in 700AD
    Every war, every horrible thing that has happened in Humanity has been caused by them as agents of Satan and I don’t care if you believe me or not…go study History… strangely enough you will find I am correct. I never knew about them until 9/11 but have studied plenty since then, connected a lot of dots. The Mosque they (still) Plan in NYC is nothing more than one of their BRAGGING shots ! The Gold Dome Mosque in Jerusalem was built on top of Soloman’s Temple when they took over Jerusalem once, then the Turks beat them back but their horrible Dome remains. That’s what they do.
    They are evil, they are ignorant so very dangerous, they are horrible to each other. (Two warring factions SHi’te and Sunni -each with their own Messiahs – right – look what they are doing to each other in Syria. Wholesale slaughter of children/babies/women/civilians. They are from Satan. Many Muslims are silently moving away as they have learned the real basis of their ‘non-faith’. Pray for them. Defend against the rest.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:43pm

      I remember the carnage between Iraq and Iran for 8 long years they killed each other wholesale. Looks like they’ve replenished their stocks and are ready to go for another round. Its sick and demented! The mothers have these children only to turn them over to the devil for destruction. Oh the weeping and wailing in hell is going to be full of their own.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:14pm

      ISLAM… is a Theocracy of State (Caliphate) and Religion (Muslim) headed by a Caliph (the Successor to Mohammed)!

      ISLAM… is Foreign Power dedicated to WORLD CONQUEST!

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  • momrules
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:29pm

    I love Pam Geller. Islam IS the enemy of every living human being on the face of the planet. The ONLY so called religion that practices jihad and the only one whose un-holy book says to kill unbelievers.

    I really don’t care whose feelings get hurt over these signs. They speak the truth.

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  • team1blazer
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:29pm

    Ms. Geller is correct. Unless we “infidels” wake up and realize that ISLAM HAS DECLARED WAR ON US, we are destined to be subdued by them. If Muslims want to be treated as anything other than terrorists, then stop acting like terrorists, start denouncing terrorists, and start punishing terrorists (instead of supporting and glorifying them). Until then, go back to the desert you came from.

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  • ZAP
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:27pm

    Sometimes the TRUTH hurts

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  • hi
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:27pm

    Is there such a thing as a ‘love crime?’

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  • Popp40
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:26pm

    Greenburgh Town Supervisor Paul Feiner states:

    “There are many Muslims residing in Greenburgh and in our villages,” Feiner said. “They should not be discriminated against. The posters encourage hatred, discrimination and do not help the efforts to fight hate crimes.”

    Facts are facts Feiner….but we all know that you just want to stick your head in the sand and keep thinking that these killings aren’t real.

    As for John Harris : “Suspecting every Muslim is secretly a jihadist creates an atmosphere that makes discrimination easier and more acceptable,” Harris said. “There are extremists in every religion whose views reflect hatred and bigotry towards people they don’t understand, and to condemn the entire faith based on the views of a small minority is unwarranted.”

    Guess you haven’t read the Quran….

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    • RetiredAmericanNavyTaxpayer
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 10:00pm

      For those who don’t have the time or stomach to read through the rambling statements in the Koran, here are a few choice tidbits straight from the “Prophet’s” mouth:

      Note: An infidel is anyone who rejects the “Prophet’s“ teaching by not submitting to the ”words of allah” or who criticize or even question any of the teachings of the Koran.

      “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191

      “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28

      “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33

      “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Koran.” Koran 8:12

      “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60

      “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65

      “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5

      “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”… Koran 9:30

      “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123

      “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19

      ALL Muslims are ordered to obey the words of the “Prophet” or suffer the consequences. Moderation is not allowed for genuine believers.

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  • randy
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:24pm

    How long do you think this sign will stay up?
    I give it until tomorrow before it’s torn down.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:21pm

    BRAVO! We fought Islam in the War of 1801-1805,,, Now, THE PERPETUAL ENEMY is Closer!

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    • rpp
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:31pm

      Yep! That is where the US Marines get the “shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Corps song. All Muslims are opposed to messages like these because they do not want people to really comprehend the danger posed by those Muslims who support violent Jihad, which, according to some polls here in the USA, surpasses 60%.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:56pm

      Truth is Muslims are indifferent to the racism and killing from their own and thus remain silent, compliant and even afraid themselves. This is not the only time this indifference has been waged on another peoples. Its just the most dangerous and worldwide kind of indifference which will allow the further rise of the Islamic culture.

      What did Katy Couric say last year about TV programming? Oh yea! We need to have a Cosby like show for Muslims so we can show them as normal everyday Americans. By default she is telling you that TV is manipulating you into believing something that is not quite true. I am still waiting for the benefits of the Cosby show.

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    • SurhanSurhan
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 11:47pm

      @ CHIEFGEORGE- Whomever this Katy (sic) Couric is she’s right the media has manipulated you into believing something that is not true about Islam.

      But let‘s say for the sake of argument that you’re right and she’s wrong. If you carry your thoughts out to there logical conclusion then ALL Christians are Bible thumping snake handlers.

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    • HoneyBager7x7
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:04am

      I don’t remember Christians flying into The World Trade Center Bro.

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  • the_system_disconnect
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 3:21pm

    An extremist’s attacks are hate crimes…

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  • jman-6
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:03pm

    And whos the biggot? Oh the IRONY!!

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  • Armyduderetired
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:08pm

    Who’s your daddy? Maj. Hassan of Ft. Hood Murder?

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  • SquidVetOhio
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:14pm

    Facts are facts. 2 + 2 = 4 even if you want to believe it’s 5. Or in this case, it’s 19,250 even if you want to believe it’s 0.

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  • barber2
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:19pm

    Poor Maja.

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  • momrules
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 4:32pm

    Maja……That woman is one of the bravest women on the face of the earth and a truth teller. I am only surprised that one of the peaceful Muslims who threaten her life on a daily basis hasn’t killed her yet.

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  • Individualism
    Posted on August 17, 2012 at 5:31pm

    shes a hate monger no doubt.

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