New York State Senate Votes ‘Yes’ to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage
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ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York lawmakers narrowly voted to legalize same-sex marriage Friday, handing activists a breakthrough victory in the state where the gay rights movement was born.
New York will become the sixth state where gay couples can wed and the biggest by far.
Gay rights advocates are hoping the vote will galvanize the movement around the country and help it regain momentum after an almost identical bill was defeated here in 2009 and similar measures failed in 2010 in New Jersey and this year in Maryland and Rhode Island.
Though New York is a relative latecomer in allowing gay marriage, it is considered an important prize for advocates, given the state‘s size and New York City’s international stature and its role as the birthplace of the gay rights movement, which is considered to have started with the Stonewall riots in Greenwich Village in 1969.
The New York bill cleared the Republican-controlled state Senate on a 33-29 vote. The Democrat-led Assembly, which passed a different version last week, is expected to pass the new version with stronger religious exemptions and Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who campaigned on the issue last year, has promised to sign it. Same-sex couples can begin marrying begin 30 days after that. The passage of New York’s legislation was made possible in two Republican senators who had been undecided.
Sen. Stephen Saland voted against a similar bill in 2009, helping kill the measure and dealing a blow to the national gay rights movement.
“While I understand that my vote will disappoint many, I also know my vote is a vote of conscience,” Saland said in a statement to The Associated Press before the vote. “I am doing the right thing in voting to support marriage equality.”
Gay couples in gallery wept during Saland’s speech.
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Kathy In Houston
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:02amAlright New York!!!
Report Post »264win
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:00amThe electrifying presidential campaign of Barack Obama faces a new challenge – a Minnesota man who claims he took cocaine in 1999 with the then-Illinois legislator and participated in homosexual acts with him.
Sinclair, who lives in Duluth and describes himself as “gay,” claims he “personally engaged in sexual activity and personally used illegal drugs in November 1999″ with the man who is now the leading Democratic presidential candidate. He claims the activity took place in the back of Sinclair’s limousine and occurred again, later, in his hotel. Sinclair also says he personally no longer uses drugs.
Sinclair charges Obama smoked crack cocaine in the limo while Sinclair snorted powdered cocaine provided by the legislator. He says the two met in an upscale Chicago lounge before leaving in Sinclair’s limousine where the drug use and sex took place for the first time.
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 7:39amMan claims he was abducted by space men.
Report Post »264win
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:57pmObama is also a turd burglar!
Report Post »stephenmarkovich
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 8:09am1. Abortion is murder
Report Post »2. Same sex marriage is literally eternal death
3. The Catholic Church if it has any balls must excommunicate publically all the Catholic legislators who voted for this. If not Catholics should leave the church.
4. The real fight starts when same sexers want Christians to acknowledge them which is forbidden in Romans 1: 26-34 under penalty of hell (and you athiests can go to hell )
5. Looking foward to the certain harsh demise of NY..LMAO. I hope the muslims burn it to the ground..
Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:44pmre #4 – you are saying that acknowledging homosexuality is the unforgivable sin? gosh all the seminaries have it wrong!
Report Post »Sy Kosys
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:57pmI could care less about others’ sexual preferences, whether or not they kick the dog when they get home, if they smoke pot, or sodomize their wives….but ‘marriage’ has always been defined thru human history as 1 man 1 woman.
Im sorry to my gay friends out there, but thats just simple truth, its human nature.
What do you, the gay-marriage supporter, say to those that disagree? Homophobe, surely. You also would say something like ‘equal rights’ etc.
The litmus test for this rationale is plug it in reverse….are you a ‘heterophobe’? No? What about the rights of heterosexuals? Are you not usurping other‘s ’rights’ for the sake of your own?
Keeping science out of the equation, how would a gay couple procreate? Not the same way a hetero couple would, methinks. Toss in breakthroughs in science and technology, and you can now cheat the system known as Natural Law. So….how did that work BEFORE science? I haven’t read about any homosexual immaculation instances in human history….you?
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:23am“What do you, the gay-marriage supporter, say to those that disagree?”
I say that throughout human history, “everybody knew” that slavery was a perfectly legitimate arrangement. Up until less than 200 years ago it was a given. Now we know better. Me, I’m not comfortable citing the views of people who thought it was a good idea to burn witches, or go to war “for God” or own “lesser human” as a defense for my point of view – if you want to that’s up to you.
“Keeping science out of the equation, how would a gay couple procreate?”
Why do they need to? If a female or male is born with a birth defect which renders them infertile for life, does that person forfeit their right to marry?
“Not the same way a hetero couple would, methinks. Toss in breakthroughs in science and technology, and you can now cheat the system known as Natural Law. So….how did that work BEFORE science? I haven’t read about any homosexual immaculation instances in human history….you?”
Again, procreation is not the only legitimate reason to marry or all post-menopausal women, or anyone who’s been sterilized, would be legally unable to marry. BUT, why does God give us the intelligence to figure out this science if it’s a “cheat” – do you call it a cheat when hetero couples use it? As for how they did it before, the did what many do now – lived a life of fear and denial and tried to act “normal” and often ended up with offspring that way. These things are not really hard i
Report Post »JoeTheFarmer
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 7:30amWho cares how marriage was defiend in the past. The right to vore used to be defined as only for white male landowners. Times change. If two people want to spend their lives together why shouldn;t they be allowed to file taxes jointly, share in medical benifits and all the other things.
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 7:36am“Are you not usurping other‘s ’rights’ for the sake of your own?”
I’d really like to hear you make that argument. I don’t see how gay marrige is usurping anyones rights.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:55pmbit of a one trick pony, ain’t ya?
Report Post »bigjack940
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:22amTAMMY-BETH. After reading your posts, I agree with you, that the hetero couples have fallen down a long ways as people who are supposed to teach their children by example, but, I guess I feel like, it still comes down to Two wrongs don’t make a right. By that I mean, both hetero and gay cuples are wrong, in being as someone to teach our kids, THAT THIS IS EITHER RIGHT OR WRONG> Its just makes them even more confused as to what to do with their own lives.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 8:05pm@Bigjack –
“I guess I feel like, it still comes down to Two wrongs don’t make a right.”
This is true, of course, but the second wrong here is this: how do I have ground to forbid you to do a think i THINK you won’t do correctly, when I’ve not done it correctly myself?
No – much more to the point – do I have the right to get the government to keep you from doing it?
“By that I mean, both hetero and gay cuples are wrong, in being as someone to teach our kids, THAT THIS IS EITHER RIGHT OR WRONG> Its just makes them even more confused as to what to do with their own lives.”
And here’s the fallacy that leads you to the wrong conclusion. despite the mythology that comes out of the church (in an effort to support a false theology with anecdotes) the reality is that you cannot “confuse” a child into being gay. I mean, sure there are a TINY handful of fetishist, but they are no more relevant to this problem that the folks who get off on wearing diapers or being spanked. Is it possible the straight kids will experiment with same-sex behavior at some drunken frat party? SURE. there’s A LOT of stuff going on wrong at such a party. but none of that is a result of the parental role model “confusing” the child so that they end up gay.
if you are attracted to the opposite sex, you will ultimately find same sex behavior revolting – it doesn’t matter how many bad examples you have. Likewise if you are attracted to the same sex, all the good Christian parent
Report Post »DAGNY
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:49pmIt’s all about the money. Nobody gives a whit about “equality” or “fairness”. They just see their tax base growing and growing. And the divorce attorney’s are drooling over the 100% increase in cases coming their way.
Cheers!
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:48pmDress up time for the dead end kids.
Report Post »Every day the parade of sickness gets louder and longer. The honeymoon always ends when one doesn’t tell the other about that small detail. The incurable detail.
mgyster
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:41pmI’m sad for all the heterosexuals living in New York. It’s going to be pretty bumpy up there. This had nothing whatsoever to do with equality and everything to do with control. I will never accept the marriage between two people of the same sex. They better stay in the states where they get married because my state is not going to accept it either!
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:15amthere was a time when folks said the same thing about mixed race marriages. Some still do, but no one takes them seriously.
Report Post »NEMATIC
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:39pmWill the definition of marriage change in NYC?
Report Post »I’m watching the morals of this once great country
slowly wither away. Men are losing their balls.
Scaz
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:38pmThe big issue in this vote was whether or not Religious groups would be forced to marry or even acknowledge a same sex union. A group of Senators wanted langauge put in the bill to protect Religious groups from lawsuits. Some Senators still feel the langauge isn‘t strong enough because it doesn’t protect employees of the religious organizations.
New Yorkers favorite pastime is sueing each other, so I‘m sure it won’t be long before we see the first lawsuit. That’s because this is not about equal rights, it‘s about shoving an agenda down everyone’s throat. Tolerance isn’t good enough, it has to be accepted even if by force.
Report Post »bigjack940
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 8:33amYou have hit the nail right on the head. Such as , either you accept this whether you agree with it or not, Or I will get a law passed and force you to accept it. Right?
Report Post »mtn-chic
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:52amMy concern is once something is legal, does it become illegal to speak out against it? At what point do governments, local or otherwise take to policing our churches? How long before ministers, preachers, rabbis, lay clergy, etc. are forced to perform Gay ceremonies with the threat of a law suit, or worse jail time, being hung over their heads? They already dictate what is taught in our schools without our approval. Can I opt my children out of “Gay History” classes as I can with Darwin’s theory of evolution? Of course there are and will be moral repercussions from legalizing such things but I fear our liberty’s at stake more than we realize when laws such as this get enacted.
Report Post »I SPY
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:38pmThat’s pretty gay.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 8:37amAn abomination, which begs for the Wrath of God.
Report Post »Fibonacci34
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:37pmNext stop: Polygamy!
Report Post »Scaz
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:47pmWhy not. There a lot more historical precedent for it than gay marriage. All throughout history, there have been pologamist societies that have been very successful. Romans, Greeks, even the MORMONS! (Glenn are you reading this?) And although there was homosexuality in these societies, they was never gay marriage.
I‘d like to see what the secular progessive left would have to say about this after they’ve supported gay marriage so vigoruosly. I love watching them weave there little webs of hypocrisy.
If gays can get married, theh I should be able to marry two chicks or even three. why not, all bets are off now.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:05amIt’s Biblical!!! (right there in the same part which says “A man shall not lie with a man as a man lies with a woman, it is an abomination”)
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:13am@scaz I kid in my last post, of course, but seriously – the notion that the exact same arguments apply to same sex marriage and polygamy is just very shallow. the arguments for and against proceed from considerably different places.
As much as i am for freedom unless there is a compelling government interest in imposition, I CAN see such an argument re polygamy, which is this: all the various laws which are currently structured for a binary relationship would be wildly inadequate to handle a multiple-marriage. Consider, alone, the question of child custody and support in a divorce. it boggles the imagination to consider all the potential complications of trying to re-write that law with an eye to a polygamy situation.
On the other hand, homosexuals do have to at least answer the charge concerning the purpose of marriage as child-rearing (there’s an answer) which is a question polygamy advocates don’t have to answer.
so no, once you look past the shallow surface (which few here seem interested in doing) there’s considerable difference and the legality of one by NO means supports the legality of the other in a significant way.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:13amSheep better watch out……….
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:12amTammy_Beth claims that polygamy shouldn’t be legalized for the children yet same sex marriage should. It takes a male and a female to create a child.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 5:04am@git – you misrepresent my claim, i said no such thing.
i said that polygamy would have to be discussed in a different context – that being the much more complex situation regarding accommodating it legally it legally. Child custody was only one example. division of property would be just as easy an example.
Please respect me enough to not misrepresent my points. if you don’t understand the point, by all means ask for clarification – but don’t put words in my mouth. that’s poor form.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:10am@Tammy_Beth: It’s all too complex for the Lord eh? You proponents of such madness are just splitting hairs and creating controversy to hide sin. It’s that simple. Sound minds see through your schemes.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:42pm@Meyvn – WHAT is too complex for the Lord?
Report Post »sickoftalking
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 3:12pmTammy_Beth said “homosexuals do have to at least answer the charge concerning the purpose of marriage as child-rearing (there’s an answer)”.
If I’m not mistaken the point would have something to do with the fact that children are already being raised inside of non-traditional relationships and even to the extent that gay couples are already taking care of children.
The problem is the debate has been backwards, it should start with adoption rights and end with marriage rights, not the other way around. With the cart put before the horse, Catholic adoption agencies will be forced either to adopt children to same-sex couples (gay or not) or be given second-class status, have all government aid withdrawn, and most will have to shut down. Some have already been shut down.
The truth is that not having gay marriage institutionalized doesn’t force anything on gay couples. Gay people can have relationships they want and form all the contracts they want. Nobody is stopping them. Yet having it institutionalized does force things on religious people. If you own a business and don’t give benefits to same-sex spouses but do to spouses of traditional marriages, you’ll be slapped with a lawsuit. Even if its a religious-oriented business like a Christian bookstore.
Its unconscionable for someone to say that the “libertarian position”, second only to getting the government out of marriage, is to use the government to treat religious beliefs as if they’re criminal when p
Report Post »sickoftalking
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 3:13pm…criminal when put into practice, by people of good conscience.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 7:24pm@sickoftalking – “the case for it being genetic has always been very weak,”
I do not argue that it has to be genetic to be natural, and am inclined to think it is not.
“as has the case for fixed, immutable sexual identity.”
the track record of “cures” is not remotely solid enough to establish a claim there. A lot of “cured” people go back (and many Christians just file that under “backsliding” and don’t question the validity of the supposed cure) – it is true that some manage to control it, and it is also true that some who attempt to fail. No behavior, beyond eating and drinking and breathing is “immutable” but this proves nothing about the nature of the condition. A man who is abstinent does not cease to have sexual attractions does he?
The scientific case I make is based on a simple rubric which does not need animal behavior to support it:
1. We know that birth defects DO occur, and we know that among those are both birth defects affecting sexual characteristics, and birth defects affecting the brain (such as autism)
2. We know that the brain is the primary organ in both sexual attraction and in gender identity.
Thus, it is a perfectly reasonable conclusion that one may be afflicted with a birth defect which affects the brain in areas responsible for sexual attraction and/or gender identity. there are actually some pretty solid hypothesis on how this happens. I know from experience the latter (GI) is indeed present from birth. That’s the
Report Post »sickoftalking
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 8:46pm@Tammy: I’m not talking about “curing” gay people. The idea of converting someone attracted to the same sex to someone attracted to the opposite sex is gross. Your teaching them to replace one emotional habit with another.
But people should have a broader understanding of their sexuality and why they have sexual desires. Most ‘straight’ people have had some ‘gay’ feelings at one point in their life and most ‘gay’ people have had ‘straight’ feelings.
Overall, imo, what people should be taught, gay or straight, is not that attraction to certain genders is right and attraction to others is wrong, but your emotional responses are a product of your personality, and not your genes or chemicals in your body, and you should not let them determine who you are. So, gay or straight, you should learn that you can be happy without having sex, sex isn’t important to life, and you do not need to have a sexual partner to fulfill you in any meaningful way.
I don’t believe sexuality is biological, whether genetic, or chemical or otherwise. We do not have images of men and women‘s bodies in our brains when we’re born. Human sexuality begins being prompted by visual and physical interaction with others in society. Sexuality develops as our personality develops, and our understanding of social roles develops. Humans are neither run by pheremones.
In some cases who we are physically may influence who we are emotionally, but our personality is the glue there.
Report Post »Volfie
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:36pmGovernment does have a legitimate purpose codifying marriage. That purpose is to promote the future health of the society. Just as a society where murder goes unpunished would lead to the collapse of the society, so would a society where adults were not encouraged to form families for the sake of raising children lead to the collapse of the society (which is well on the way of the USA). It is one of the reasons that statistics about unwed mothers are gathered.
The problem with same sex marriage is that it does not promote society like opposite sex marriage. I know that many homosexual groups have gained political power, but it does not change the fundamental issue of promoting what is good for society. Same sex marriage does not meet the pro-societal purpose that opposite sex marriage does.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:04amopposite sex marriage isn’t doing much of a job of that either, given the rate of out-of-wedlock births, and divorces. Seems to me if that’s what government is involved in marriage for, it’s doing a pitiful job of promoting the goal (of course, that’s what government TENDS to do)
I‘d prefer government to be completely out of codifying marriage BUT that isn’t going to happen anytime soon. in the mean time, one can balance the goal you describe – which is NOT happening (and, oh by the way, the government had rather raise your kids themselves as have you do it anyway) anyway, against equality before the law.
I’d be sympathetic to your case if the vast majority of heterosexual parenting was of the traditional nuclear family structure, but it’s not, and most government policies (pushing very early day care for instance) work towards exactly the opposite goal (intentionally or no). So at the very best reading, they are working against themselves and if they are not focused on the goal you describe (and they clearly are not) then that can’t be cited as sufficient justification for inequality.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:09amExcept that menopause and infertility are proven natural causes while homosexuality is not.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 5:01amactually, yeah, the case for homosexuality being a natural (albeit abnormal) occurring naturally is quite strong. That truth is simply ignored by those who cling so tightly to a false teaching that they CAN‘T admit it because they can’t understand a God who would forbid something people are born with.
How do I know this?
Because I WAS one of those people. I know how you think, and i know where what you think is wrong. so I know full well you will deny this when I say it.
That doesn’t change the facts. And the fact is that anyone with an unbiased eye can that there’s a strong case for homosexuality and transsexualism occurring naturally from birth. I‘d explain it to you if i thought you’d honestly consider it with an open mind.
But I don’t believe that.
Report Post »Rebs2Cents
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:16pmWell said @Tammy_Beth
Report Post »dkhartman
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 1:03amTammy – you can explain homosexuality occurring naturally from birth the same way a doctor can convince you vaccinations are good for you and if you don’t take them, you’ll die. It’s convincing. Looks good on paper. Makes a little sense scientifically.. That is if you aren’t naive enough to belief the garbage and actually do research on your own. I can’t imagine a woman of your intellect, with your education, and obviously you know more than all of us combined, would say that you’ve read the Bible and came out of it realizing you were wrong and being gay is actually, not a sin. Either you’re reading a different Bible or you are a liar. I’d love to hear your stance on pedophilia!
Report Post »sickoftalking
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 4:13pmTammy_Beth said: ” the case for homosexuality being a natural (albeit abnormal) occurring naturally is quite strong. That truth is simply ignored…”
The case for it being common enough is strong, the case for it being genetic has always been very weak, as has the case for fixed, immutable sexual identity.
I’m not coming at this from a religious point of view at all, I’m not religious. And I don’t have a beef with gay people, in so much as I think that I think they have to make decisions for themselves in their own lives according to their own moral judgment. I can‘t stand parents who hound their children for making choices they don’t agree with — whether that’s following a gay lifestyle or something else — and then make it seem like its about them and not the child. I don’t agree with gay marriage, but my goal is not to control or punish gay people.
One frustration in this debate is that people have wrong understandings of science and history, influenced by politics. If you argue against them, you become labeled an “ignorant fundie”. I just want a culture where we can be honest.
What studies have shown (in fact) is that gay behavior increases when either animals are placed in an unnatural environment or are overpopulated. In nature, its also usually about showing dominance rather than ‘sexual orientation’. In human history, that’s also been the case. Pederasty in Greece and Rome was about dominance over a male slave by a master — pederasts also h
Report Post »sickoftalking
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 4:14pm…pederasts also had wives. As did Spartan soldiers, who had gay sex to prepare themselves for battle.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 7:10pm@DK -
you say “research on my own” – tell me, how much research HAVE you done on your own on this subject? You reject other people’s scientific conclusions so what methods do you use to reach your own? Scripture? that’s good. How much research have you personally done on the context and meaning of the verse you read? Have you consulted a wide variety of commentary on the subject? Do you read the original languages?
How many hours do you estimate you have spent in all, in your entire life, doing your own research on the subject of homosexuality, how and why it occurs, and the proper Christian reaction to it?
I won’t say that i know more than even you, let alone more than all of you combined – but i will put my time on this particular subject up against pretty much anyone’s. I have a vested need to know the truth. I’m detailed my background and biography at length on other threads here – since it take about 6,000 characters to do, i won’t repeat it unless pressed. I will be content to say that over my entire adult life, I’ve never been very far from this subject. i’ve spent countless hours considering the relevant Scriptures, I’ve spent many more hours than that in prayer and supplication directly with god on the subject, and yes I’ve considered human reason and scientific evidence. I do not arrive at my current conclusion lightly. I built a whole life on the truth of what you believe, because I WANTED it to be true. Still do. But I can no longer pretend t
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 7:56pm@sickof –
your guess on the case was close, but it is twofold. The first point is that the government does NOT in fact act to limit hetero marriage to those situation which are conducive to the best parenting outcome, or even to couplings which are capable of producing offspring. It’s unequal before the law to limit any couple on that basis if you do not screen all couples on that basis. the second point is that it must be conclusively demonstrated that society cannot tolerate children raised by homosexuals because of consistent bad outcomes – which has not been in fact demonstrated.
It is, however, also true that a great many hetero couples produce bad outcomes too.
I’ll be very frank that the Catholic Adoption Agency was wronged by the court, indisputably. Freedom of conscience in an organization like that MUST be protected. Most especially when there are other market providers of the same service. the only places I might see an argument otherwise is in housing and employment.
It is quite true that having “civil unions” instead of “marriages” is a perfectly good arrangement and one i’d be every bit as happy to see. but we all also know that such a situation would practically change nothing, for any couple who gets a “civil union” will say “we got married” and so will everyone else except those who wish to me pedantic for no reason. but the reverse is also true: using the word “marriage” does not at all infringe on Christian faith as I’ve explaine
Report Post »wewantchillywilly
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:30pmwhy would you WANT to get married?
Report Post »Rebs2Cents
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:13pmWhy get married?
1) Legal implications including inheritance, health care coverage & benefits as well as medical decisions/rights
2) Societal implications in that the act of commitment to each other in front of witnesses (family & friends) helps bond us together and keep us there when times are tougher.
You want to hear the typical Lesbian joke from the 70′s?
“What does a lesbian bring on her 2nd date? “ ”A U-Haul”
Funny? Yes but not really. The ability to get to know one another before “living together” which was our only option without marriage or civil unions, led to a culture of serial relationships.
In the era of higher levels of discrimination and outright hostility to lesbian and gay couples, it was not easy (if possible) to enjoy a typical “date” because you were too busy worrying about who might take offense and decide to beat you up, throw you off a bridge or just make a nasty comment. Your evening of romance could easily become a nightmare and so you stayed in and the secretive nature of your relationships didn’t make it easy to establish healthy ones!
I understand that many among you think that any gay relationship isn‘t healthy by it’s very nature so let’s set that aside for just a minute and think about how much more society benefits when couples can establish “healthy” inter-personal relationships in society rather than in secret.
Christian, Libertarian/Conservative, Married Lesbian, Mother of Two b
Report Post »Cyhort
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:30pmDunno why the religious people are so upset about this. Whether gay marriage is legal in one more state or not homosexuality is still going to exist. It’s not like you lost some huge fight against queerness or something. Hopefully now NY can focus on other things, like getting the Freedom Tower built 10 years later…..
Report Post »AnAppealToGod
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:28amI’m just tired of people acting like being Gay is NORMAL. It’s not normal. I hate saying it but it’s the absolute truth. It doesn’t mean Gays should be stripped of rights, but do not change the traditional way of life (natural for that matter) because of a small minority of people. It’s time to accept Gays in the same way we accept people who have Autism or other abnormal behaviors. It’s a thin line to understand and grasp, but it IS indeed a line NOT to cross.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 5:10am“Normal” statistically? oh course not. By definition anything rare is “abnormal” Having violet eyes, for instance, is “abnormal”
Being statistically abnormal, however, has no moral weight. Which is what many here (I think you are not among them) are trying to argue.
Just as (to use your example) being autistic is not immoral, even though it is not “normal” even so it is invalid to argue, as so VERY many do, that being “not normal” is the same thing as saying immoral.
but if you want me to admit it’s not “normal” in the statistical sense – sure. i don‘t think I’m aware of any gay person who argues it is. when a gay says “we’re normal” they are arguing those who consider them freaks on their own turf. if folks quit saying “it’s not normal” as if that is all one needs to say to prove it’s wrong, then no few gays will ever claim that it is normal.
Report Post »Honest_Abe
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:21am@ Cyhort
Isn’t it obvious why religious people are upset about this? They are concerned that the homosexual lifestyle will be accepted socially. The teachings of Christianity are that homosexuality is an abomination.
@Tammy_Beth
Clearly, the comments of AnAppealToGod are not in reference to statistical normalcy. I think he is talking about the category fallacy that has been used as an argument to insensate that discriminating against minority is wrong simply because it is.
For example, one might say that it is wrong to discriminate against African Americans simply because they are in the minority. This argument is wrong and nonsensical. Thoughtful people will realize that African Americans should not be discriminated against because they are no different than anyone else.
This argument can not be extended to homosexuals because they are discriminated against due to a behavior.
The real question is weather or not the behavior should be acceptable or not. Christians who accept the authority of the Bible will always say no. I suspect that we will find as many opinions on weather or not this type of behavior is acceptable as there are people. The social impacts of this type of behavior will be important in determining the outcome of the debate. I have my own suspensions as to the answer, however, this is not the right forum for this type of debate.
Report Post »sickfreak
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:39pmReligious people are upset because once this passes who is going to stop someone from wanting to marry their cousin? Their pet? More than 1 partner? Laugh if you will but once the flood gates are opened you will never get them shut. I think being gay is wrong in the first place and having them being allowed to marry tears away the fabric that God created for all of us. I believe that it is a choice and not in DNA. I actually lived with a gay roommate for a while and he would even admit that it was a choice and not something you are born with. That is my personal opinion but I teach my kids what the Bible states and the fact that in God’s eyes homosexuality is an abomination that is what my stance is.
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Posted on June 25, 2011 at 2:03pmTammy – It’s not normal. It’s a genetic mutation. THAT is not normal. It’s not to say they are to be treated different. But they don’t get to change the rules of definitions. I have gay friends and I love them just as much as my straight friends. But they agree, it is NOT normal. I’m just saying hard things for you to swallow that you will never admit to. Take your lens off for change.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:31pmYall assume too much. I’ve BEEN on your side of the debate, I’ve made all the same arguments (and made them better, by the way) and heard all the arguments from people on the side I’m on now – I know the weaknesses of both sets of arguments.
I point out the statistical background of the concept of normal and abnormal to illustrate how people use sloppy language to make sloppy points. the question is not, in fact, whether or not the activity whould be “acceptable” based on christian morality because this IS NOT A THEOCRACY. the government must justify it’s actions with a rational that goes beyond “the christians don’t approve. if it didn’t, there would be no legal gambling, drinking, or many many other common everyday things in this country.
whether or not the bible or God or misinformed Christians approve of homosexuals, or their “activity” has almost nothing to do with whether or not the government should discriminate against them.
Now, in those cases (which HAVE happened) when a government or court forces a religious institution like Catholic Charities to conform against their conscience to approve these things, i stand with the church – THAT is wrong.
but how the government itself deals with homosexuality is NOT dependent on what the Christians want, that way lies totalitarianism – and it might be of a sort drawn from a faith not your own and YOU end up on the short stick.
@sickfreak – keep reading, I answered all those nonsequiters a couple of pa
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:40pm@anappeal – “take off my lenses”? I did. that’s how I arrived at my current position. take your own advice. I spent all my life in the SBC, I have a degree from a Baptist college, I’ve taught and preached the same false doctrine you are appealing too now – I’ve argued it on the internet hundreds of times and did a far better job than 90% of the opponents posting here. I not only accepted that teaching as true – I NEEDED it to be true, I repented and confessed a thousand times based on it and I claimed god’s power of healing or at least strength. if it were true, I was a freak, or a “perv” – i was “not normal” and outside the will of God. you can imagine my desperation for those verses to be true so that i could count on a loving and forgiving and all powerful god to deliver me
didn’t happen. it’s not GOING to happen. Because God is true and the church is wrong. Just as it has been wrong dozens of times in the past. I HAD to know those Scriptures, I had to STUDY them and be very SURE what they said, I had to learn how to read the bible properly, in context…i had to pray over them and cry out to god about them, and i had to examine myself, and why i felt this way and whether anything could account for it – whether it made any sense that i would be this way if he judged being this way. i not only looked through the lenses but I analyzed them from every angle because I HAD to.
please, tell me how much of YOUR life you have spent giving diligent study to this
Report Post »dkhartman
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 12:44amTammybeth- just because you read the Bible and use it (twist it) to mean whatever fits you doesn‘t mean you’re right. And it’s offensive to a true God fearing Christian woman to have a person like you using the Bible and God in an argument for gay unions. Its also offensive that you’d equate interracial marriage with homosexuals. You brag about how you were as “naive” as the rest of us uneducated morons (because I mean, you do everything better than us, right?) but you didn’t exactly explain the conclusions you came to by reading the Bible and praying to God… And before you start in, my sister was gay, (yes WAS gay), and while I loved her even though I disagreed I wasn’t scared to let my beliefs be known. She was ignorant. Didn’t understand the Bible or even know what it said even though she thought she knew God. I grew up in church, in church five days a week, helping somehow and services on Wednesday and Sunday. It’s amazing how critical you are while criticizing others for being critical. Hypocrite much? Do men and woman treat marriage like they should these days? No way by far. But does that mean because they are wrong that others should to be wrong too? Would you tell your ten year old child that its ok to snort coke because his friend is smoking weed? No one says that. Because we don‘t use other people’s faults as an excuse to be wrong. Two wrongs make it…… Right? If you are going to believe the Bible, do it in it’s entirety.
Report Post »AnAppealToGod
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 3:44amTammy –
You‘re not making any sense at all and you’ve missed the point.
Not only that you are clearly trying to mold God in what YOU WANT him to be. Very dangerous road my friend. Believe what you want, it’s your choice. But it’s a scientific fact that being Gay is NOT normal. Not trying to hate and if that’s what you get out of this, then that is your proof you need for yourself to know that you have no valid argument against that fact.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 5:11pm@anappeal –
“Not only that you are clearly trying to mold God in what YOU WANT him to be. Very dangerous road my friend.”
I humbly suggest exactly the opposite – people who are uncomfortable with gays cover their personal bias by reading Scripture in a shallow way to find cover for their bias.
“Believe what you want, it’s your choice. But it’s a scientific fact that being Gay is NOT normal.”
Why do you keep saying this when I‘ve said multiple times in this thread that i AGREE it’s not normal. I’m just asking why we treat this abnormality with more hostility than other abnormalities?
” Not trying to hate and if that’s what you get out of this, then that is your proof you need for yourself to know that you have no valid argument against that fact.”
for someone who “has no valid argument” – not one of you has replied to any of my rather verbose posts with a reply that goes beyond basically saying “no YOU’RE wrong!”
If I have no valid argument, why won’t any of you take the time to pick it apart and demonstrate how weak it is? That’s what i do, even if i have to go on for three or four posts to be complete.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 5:20pm“just because you read the Bible and use it (twist it) to mean whatever fits you doesn‘t mean you’re right.”
And vice-versa.
“And it’s offensive to a true God fearing Christian woman”
so when I claim it, it’s not true but i should take your word for it?
“Its also offensive that you’d equate interracial marriage with homosexuals.”
Why?
“(because I mean, you do everything better than us, right?)”
No. just debate better.
“but you didn’t exactly explain the conclusions you came to by reading the Bible and praying to God…”
you should read more. Been done.
“And before you start in, my sister was gay, (yes WAS gay), and while I loved her even though I disagreed I wasn’t scared to let my beliefs be known. She was ignorant. Didn’t understand the Bible or even know what it said”
I DO know what it says.
“It’s amazing how critical you are while criticizing others for being critical. Hypocrite much?”
I am not criticizing criticism. I’m criticizing hateful tone and poor argumentation. and lack of consistency.
“Do men and woman treat marriage like they should these days? No way by far. But does that mean because they are wrong that others should to be wrong too?”
The phrase “Clean your own doorstep” springs to mind.
“If you are going to believe the Bible, do it in it’s entirety”
And that‘s all I’ve been asking. and what I’ve NOT been seeing from professed Christians. Do you “keep silent in the c
Report Post »AnAppealToGod
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 9:39pmTammy – you are THE most confused person I’ve ever seen post on a comments page.
Good luck with your ADD and your internet arguing, it appears that‘s all you do but it’s clearly not your forte.
Just so you know, I’m not going to be checking to see if you replied or not. So take that 5, 10, 20, 30 minutes it’d take you to reply and go get some fresh air. It’s on me.
Report Post »PatrioticAmericanDad
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:21pmWhile I agree this is a mistake, I don’t appreciate the name calling. God loves all of his children even the misguided ones, and he demands that the faithful do as well. Any of you have gay relatives? Do you have the guts and the lack of self respect enough to talk like this in front of the faces? You render yourself irrevevent by such behavior, and should be assamed of yourselves!.
Report Post »evergreensd
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:33pmWell put, thanks for being a civil human being!
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:57pmHear! Hear!
I know we disagree on the larger issues but I’ve been waiting for weeks for someone on the other side to stand up and say that. My respect to you sir.
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:12amThank you for your civility. I disagree with the decision, but will not stoop to the level of vulgar name calling. It closes doors.
Report Post »datakcy
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:41amHere’s a shocker: we‘re NOT all God’s children!!! We lost that relationship back in the Garden of Eden when mankind fell. Only those who heed the call of Almighty God to come to Christ receive the Spirit of adoption. Everyone else? Damned by their very free will to reject the gift of God, His Son Jesus Christ. They‘re outside the atonement of the Savior’s cross with no covering for sin.
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36
While I agree it is wrong to call names, it is also wrong to call unrepentant sinners of any type ‘children of God.‘ They’re not. And I have a niece and a cousin who are homosexual. Unless the Lord changes their hearts, they are damned just as fornicators, adulterers, liars, thieves, kidnappers, murderers, child molesters, pornographers, and so on. But don’t take my word for it: “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Cor.6:9-10 and “But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” Rev
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 2:16amTHEY are not shy about decussing it either! Just keep it civil and respectable ! I used to manage a restrurant on the Cinn riverfront had several gay waiters, but then thers gay and theres Flamin !
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:47am@datakcy – ratherthan argue theology with you, i have a few observations:
“Here’s a shocker: we‘re NOT all God’s children!!!”
That being the case, what‘s up with all these Christians insisting these people who are outside god’s salvation MUSt behave and conform as if they are? God‘s rules have always been for God’s people. what interest would a person bound for hell have in following the rules of a God who wouldn’t have him or vice versa?
Also, you do realize a great many LGBT people (including myself) are quite convinced they have a personal relationship with god and that YOU are the one who’s misunderstood his will, right? you display the arrogance that so many of my fellow Christians have (and that i myself once had) – that your own reading is the only possible understanding of the Word. Funny. if it’s THAT easy to understand, why do we have hundreds of different sects who all think THEY have it right?
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
That settles it then, I’m good to go. but back on topic…
“Unless the Lord changes their hearts, they are damned”
Here’s a thought – how likely is it that God will change their heart when Christians are furiously pushing such people AWAY from him by telling them how “damned” they are? Why not introduce them to Christ and let HIM tell them if they need to change something? is his arm sh
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:56am(continue @Datkcy)
“But don’t take my word for it:”
I’m glad you quoted the one that included liars – there’s another that includes gossips and some other things that are not sexual sins – and are things that every Christian is guilty of on a daily basis in some measure. In another thread the subject of diversity training came up and a self professed Christian said “I had to lie all the way through to pass”
As if the Bible says more about homosexuality than about lying. One might also invoke that business about “if you deny me before men”
This person not only lied but was PROUD of it enough to brag on it in public. I‘ve never seen a church congregation that wasn’t riddled with gossip. Are these people also “damned” – no matter what they THINK their relationship with Christ is? Or does that passage mean something other than what you think it means? or shall we pick and chose which sins are “real” sins?
for the matter of that, I’d lay really good odds that something north of 70% of any and every congregation can be called “fornicators” based on some action in their lives and that changes little even if you confine it to actions taken after becoming a Christian. the last church I regularly attended had more divorces in the 30-50 age group than I could keep up with, many of them widely known (gossip again) to have resulted from acts of adultery. Yet not ONE of those people was dismissed from the church or shunned or mal-treated because they wer
Report Post »bigjack940
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 8:09amIN reply PATRIOTICAMERICANDAD, In answer to the question you posed here. I have a son whos gay, and even though he knows that I love him just as much as I do my other chidren. He also nows that I don’t agree with his life style, and, I certainly don’t agree having to watch these radical destroyers of our society for their own gains. Regardless this is wrong, and should be stopped. And even my gay son, agrees with me on this aspect of, the socalled gay people. Its wrong foks and its got to be stopped.
Report Post »PatrioticAmericanDad
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:37amDATAKCY
Report Post »I know you, not personally, but I know you. You are a believer, of that I am quite sure. You and others like you skate on thin ice. Why, because you think that believing alone is what you were sent here to do. Why do you think God gave Man an intellect? Right, so that we can think. God sits in judgement of his children, not us. You and others like you say that yours is the only way to salvation. That you belong to an exclusive club, and while you are busy feeling so proud of yourselves, you forget that it is not our job or our mandate to judge. That‘s God’s job. Our job is to love one another, even those with whom we disagree. Chapter and verse quote do not impress me. Open your heart, and forgive yourself, I do. While I believe a sacred marriage is only possible between a man and a woman, I do feel that we should be able to sustain binding civil unions between members of the same sex, so they can enjoy the financial protections of health insurance, right of inheritance and so forth.
PatrioticAmericanDad
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:15amBIGJACK940
Report Post »The point is that even if we disagree, which is our right, we cannot impose our values on others. Your gay son is blessed to have his father’s love, and understanding. While I agree with you, our agreement with the Gay lifestyle is after all irrelevant. We get to say how we live, but beyond that our power ends. We do after all wish to live in a free country. We can’t have it both ways. For me, it is all about love. I had the love of a wonderful women for 35 years God rest her soul. The most important thing for any individual is to find someone who loves them, that they can trust and make a life with. If you had the power would you choose a future for your son that did not include a loving partner? Also, and I am constrained to point out, our God made us what we are, and yes we have free will, but some of us are wired differently. For a Gay person to ignore that would force them to live an inauthentic life, which is always the road to misery. If I had a Gay son, that would be the last thing I would want for him, even though my wiring and choice is to be heterosexual.
sickfreak
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:34pmI do have gay family members and they are quite clear where I stand as I am honest with them. See, in my world character determines who someone really is. In my beliefs being homosexual is wrong and it is considered an abomination against God. Think I am not speaking the truth? Read Romans and the Book Of Leviticus.
Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus, which form part of the Holiness code, contain the following verses:
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.(Leviticus 18:22 KJV)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)
God created Adam and Eve to be heterosexual, expecting them to be fertile and to populate the world with humans. During the sexual act, their bodies unite, and symbolically rejoin as “one flesh.” That is God’s plan: for people of opposite genders to marry, raise children and have dominion over all the earth. Homosexual behavior is apart from God’s plan, an attempt to distort and pervert what God intended from the beginning. If gays and lesbians cannot change (or do not wish to change) their sexual addiction, they must remain celibate in order to fit into God’s planned intent for humanity.
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Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:49pmSICKFREAK
Report Post »My intent is not to debate the chapter and verse. Not that I disagree with much you have written, but that ultimately our job as individuals is to stand where God wants us to stand. All of the damnation that your interpretation of Scripture informs you of is valid in to you, fine, to argument. All I have said is that it is for the Almighty to judge, not us. As individual human beings first we decide who we are and what we believe, then as Americans we embrace the idea that there is room for other interpretaions as long as those with whom we disagree don’t hurt us. I’m sorry, I just don’t see how, what two consenting adults choose to do in there own bedroom affects us negatively. You can hate the sin, but as Christian, God fearing people, we are asked, by God to love the sinner, and forgive. And, if that is not enough read Paul’s letter to the Corinthians. Love, Peace, Hope, Charity,..Read the Beatitudes…
JohnnyRaiden
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:25pmStupid. No one should denied rights based on sex,race, etc ,but then again marriage isn’t a right. AmericanDad ignores the point. If marriage is a blessed union in front of god, then you can’t bless a sinful union. Besides that saying gay marriage is a thing at all is an assault on the religious who believe the bibles definition of marriage. The only logical choice would be to strip marriage out of government all together and give EVERYONE civil unions so you don’t infringe on the rights of one group or another, which is what is happening. Your partner shouldn’t be denied health coverage because your a gay couple or deal with inheritance bs ,but that doesn’t give the right to trample on the religious beliefs of others. Also looking at some posts, loving someone means ignoring the sins….Idiotic.Some people are born with urges to kill as many people as they can, but most suppress those feelings ,but then they are living a fake life! OH NO!
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:17pmSickfreak – when you keep the entire content of Leviticus without exception in your own life, get back to me about who lies with who.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:21pm@Johnny – as with so many others who “debate” this, you conveniently ignore the distinction between civil marriage and religious marriage.
Tell me, when a judge marries two people, have they entered into a sacred union before God?
If your answer is “yes”, then you wish to live in a country in which the government can execute (and thus dictate the terms of) a religious rite.
If you answer “no” (which is the correct answer by the way) then the only thing gay couples have gained in New York is a civil proceeding which has nothing to do with God, just like civil hetero marriage have nothing to do with God.
On the other hand, if you are worried about gays having religious marriages – you should be aware that this has already been happening for a couple of decades or more and, shockingly, this has had exactly zero negative effect on hetero marriage in our out of the church.
Report Post »dkhartman
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:56pmWhen you read the entire Bible with a complete and whole understanding of it’s content and meaning, get back to me! Thanks
Report Post »dkhartman
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:58pmTammy Beth, that was for you
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Posted on June 26, 2011 at 1:16amJOHNNYRAIDER
Report Post »I never said I was for Gay marriage. I started this thread because there were postss that used vulger names to insult the Gay folks. I merely asked for civility. I would think that someone like yourself, trying establish the moral highground wouldn‘t need to resort to calling someone they don’t know, stupid. The thing is you are so full of hate that you are blinded to the truth. God asks us to love our fellow man, but you are so upset you lash out in the dark, at a faceless imaginary foe. You hypocritical ultra religious types in any religion have a common flaw, you profess to understand the mind of God the father, while you cling to this verse or that. Sure, you have yourself convinced that, Yours is the Only Way. Right? For you its all about defining the enemy, doing the math on the Us and Them of a situation. All the while defining the borders between you and others. For me, and thoughtful others we choose to embrace instead of divide, forgive instead of judge, love instead of hate. I stand with the Founders, I stand with Glenn Beck. I think you are a phony, a plant. May God have mercy upon you.
JohnnyRaiden
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 3:41pmCivil and religious marriage is a joke. Civil marriage is a lie. The translation and definition of marriage contradicts civil marriage. Atheists have the same rights to get married as gay people, that is none. The only way to effectively not infringe on any single persons rights would be to strip marriage out of government all together, which I support. Wanna get married? Go to your church.
American Dad- I call it like I see it. From you comments and assumptions, only a stupid person would come to such conclusions. In the same response you try to belittle me for calling someone I don‘t know stupid and then turn right back around and say I’m blinded by, full of hate, and believe to understand god which you can‘t know since you don’t know me. You make wild accusations and blanket statements and then condemn the same action, your hypocrisy is showing. With all that, I can come to the pretty safe conclusion that are, in fact, stupid.
Even if I was a plant or a fake, it doesn’t make anything I point out less true. If Hitler told you shooting yourself in the face with a 12gauge would kill, are you say he‘s full of lies because he’s evil? You can think the moon is made out of cheese, it’s your right to have an opinion, but just because it‘s your opinion doesn’t make it right.
Report Post »JohnnyRaiden
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 4:15pmA break down of your hypocrisy, just for you.
[ I would think that someone like yourself, trying establish the moral highground wouldn‘t need to resort to calling someone they don’t know, stupid].
Right here, you say I don‘t know you so why call you stupid because I don’t know you
and yet here
[The thing is you are so full of hate that you are blinded to the truth(1). God asks us to love our fellow man, but (you are so upset you lash out in the dark2-3), at a faceless imaginary foe. (You hypocritical ultra religious types5) in any (religion have a common flaw6), (you profess to understand the mind of God the father, while you cling to this verse or that7-8). (sure, you have yourself convinced that, Yours is the Only Way. Right?9) (For you its all about defining the enemy, doing the math on the Us and Them of a situation. All the while defining the borders between you and others10-12.)]
You go on and on about me while not knowing me at all, complete 360 from your earlier response all critical of me and what not. 12 direct hypocritical pieces in your response which you yourself tried to judge me on. You also hint that YOU know gods will, which you don’t, and is a massive assumption.
For me, and thoughtful others we choose to embrace instead of divide, forgive instead of judge, love instead of hate. I stand with the Founders, I stand with Glenn Beck. I think you are a phony, a plant. May God have mercy upon you. < more accusations, showing more of your h
Report Post »PatrioticAmericanDad
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 4:31pmJOHNNYRAIDEN
It doesn’t feel good does it? While I am willing to agree to your last statement, I wonder if you are. You seem comfortable dealing in absolutes. As far as marriage, true marriage as specified in the Bible, I agree with you it is codified as a man and a woman, and that the Good Book descibes homosexuality as a sin. No arguments. What I don’t understsnd is how as an American, who I can only assume is a proponent of the Constitution, can seek to refuse the pursuit of happiness to those amongst us that happen to be Gay. I can understand that you believe God will eventually punish the sinner, as our religions teach, but until death, those sinners are still Americans who should be protected from the lack of equal protection under the law. Shouldn’t they?
You and I should not square off as enemy’s. Even if you disagree with me, and I with you. American’s only have to agree on the Constitution. Civil discourse is a much better solution than pitching gernades, unless all else fails, and then I would hope you and I would be on the same side fighting to save our country together.
Report Post »JohnnyRaiden
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 4:50pmI refuse the pursuit of happiness and see it happen all around me constantly in the US. If in your pursuit of happiness, you want to murder a dozen children, I GLADLY deny you. Did you skim over my response? Marriage is religious at it’s core, so the government has no legal say in giving it to others. It can, and should, strip marriage out all together so everyone can be afforded civil unions and experience equality under the law. Otherwise it is you who will deny rights to others by trampling other sacred tradition, custom, and law.
I do agree with the constitution, which is why I won’t ever support gay marriage. Simply do not have the right to take and corrupt the traditions of another. It would be akin to changing Yom Kippur or ramadan into a giant pig eating contest and then demanding everyone admit it’s the same thing. That is unconstitutional to the core, just like gay marriage. So once again, say it with me, CIVIL UNIONS FOR ALL! Wanna get married? Go to church. Want tax breaks akin to marriage? Have children. Can’t have children? gay or straight? To bad.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 5:05pm@dkhartman – it’s always cute when one ASSUMES ignorance on the part of their debate opponent rather than, ya know, actually providing a counter argument.
I suppose you will have another lazy assumption when I tell you that i am one course (Bible and Missions IIRC) away from a BA in Biblical Studies from the same conservative Baptist college I graduated MCL from with a BS in another subject. I’ll put my record of reading and understanding Scripture up against yours with complete confidence.
Unless you are fluent in the original languages.
Report Post »PatrioticAmericanDad
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 5:24pmJOHNNYRAIDEN
Report Post »I have tried civility, and that doesn’t work. Like it or not you and I live in the same world like everyone else. I don’t feel my Marriage threatened, because Gay poeple can get married in NYS. Do I like it, NO, but tough darts that’s the law. That’s the way it works in a Republic. I don’t understand your reference to murdering children. Wether you like it or not ALL americans have the right to pursue happiness, even the Gay Americans.
JohnnyRaiden
Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:48pmYou reference the pursuit of happiness. If in that pursuit someone wants to murder children, they can, and should be, DENIED. You are free to pursue happiness as long as you don’t trample over the rights of others. Just because you don‘t care doesn’t mean it something that no one should care about. You can feel your marriage is threatened by the Denver Broncos winning, that’s on you. In Germany it was the law that Jews get marked, just because it‘s the law doesn’t mean it’s right. Jim Crow laws? OH WELL! It’s the well, it’s your type of lazy attitude that allowed that type of **** to get as far as it did.
AGAIN, if your pursuit of happiness is killing people, then you SHOULD BE DENIED. Your rights and views don’t trump mine. So again, the only way to fix it is to eliminate marriage all together and give EVERYONE CIVIL UNIONS. Wanna get married? go to your religious institution.
Report Post »JohnnyRaiden
Posted on June 28, 2011 at 4:52pmThat “It’s the law” bs really ****** me off. Write that you would be so lazy to let it go if the law in let’s say Georgia was that all homosexuals were to be executed. Still ok with the “It’s the law” argument? Or in Utah if they voted it was perfectly legal to beat your wife? IT’S THE LAW RIGHT? Or Texas to shoot illegal immigrants trying to cross the border? Go ahead, agree to it. It’s the law right? The same argument you try so poorly to use. Tough cookies right.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:18pmthe divorce lawyers will be happy
Report Post »Beyond
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:40pmha..that’s the thing. If it is no different from straight marriage then they’ll be spending money on divorce lawyers
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:06amNY will claim they created jobs….LOL
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:03amThey’ll also try to claim how they increased government revenue, LOL.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:31pmOne rogue Solar Flare, and it’s over anyway..won’t give a SHI**..
Report Post »NY and SF are still cesspools.Weenie, Rangel, Cuomo,Pelosi..
Our leaders are taking us down the toilet..Can’t believe Bama
didn’t put his stamp on this……..not a GAY man ! OK !!
miles from nowhere
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:17pmI guess there will not be any need for Planned Parenthood in New York, just make it mandatory that only men can live with man and woman with women just forget about kids.
Report Post »Cyhort
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:35pmIt‘d make McDonald’s a more pleasant place to go.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 2:08amKids are Great with a couple xzanex !
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:48am@LAZBIAN PACKING.. Can’t figure out your post, please state if are being facetious, otherwise you are wrong, the U.S.A is a republic not a democracy … Remember ? AND FOR THE REPUBIC FOR WHICH WE STAND.
Report Post »becauseitmatters
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:29amSad to think some people think this way. Children are a heritage from the Lord. Spend time training your children and they will be a blessing to you. That’s what we have done. It’s exhausting, but the rewards are wonderful. I love our children, and thank God daily for the opportunity to be involved in their lives.
Report Post »Bluenose177
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:12pmlets find out which rePUBEicans voted for this **** and vote them out next election cycle
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:19pmPrecisely… I‘m soooooooooooo sick of lying GOP’ers…..
Vote them out and keep them out, they and the libs can all join the unemployment lines…
Report Post »Scaz
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:27pmThe hinge vote was my Senator Steve Saland from Dutchess County. He caved in and made a statement apologizing for his vote saying that he realizes he disappointed a lot of his constituents, but he “had to do what was right”.
If you know a lot of your constituents don’t support this crap, then why are you voting for it Steve!
Update your resume, you’re gonna need it.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:13amYes. A politician’s constituents are always right, and he should always take a completely Democratic vote within his district on each and every issue on which HE has to vote. This is, after all, what Representative Democracy is all about.
And, of course, even if the majority of his constituents want to deprive the minority of his constituents of their Constitutional rights, well then that’s too bad because America is a Democracy, not a Republic, right? No minorities are permitted to have their rights respected in America if the majority doesn’t want to, and the government can do anything it wants.
And every public election for anything at all is unassailably right, which is why Germans so correctly and properly voted Adolf Hitler dictatorial powers as the Reichs Chancellor.
Seriously, I honestly wonder if some of the haters on The Blaze are actually literate, because they obviously can‘t read the crap they’re writing.
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:40am@BLUENOSE&&.. Are you from N.Y ? And you act like the conservatives run things in N.Y … You can’t vote them all out, conservs have taken a back seat in N.Y a long time ago.. First you have to get real humans to even move there ,then start talking..
Report Post »hank6785
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:49amwrong again. This country is a republic-not a democracy. This country has been on a downward spiral for about 100 years now. I also believe in state’s rights and each state should choose. For every choice there is a consequence-good or bad. That is why we were given agency on this earth. The Lord allows us to make our own decisions but makes it very clear that there are rewards for righteous choices and justice for wrong ones. We all need to pray for this country that our leaders will turn back to God. Homosexuality is immoral and wrong. It is a choice that one makes. And you can’t be a Christian and gay-that is an oxymoron. We are to love those that practice this immoral act but that doesn’t mean that we are to approve of it. You can love a person without approving of their actions.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:11pmMaybe Glenn will celebrate by giving Santorum that big kiss IN the mouth?
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:28pmMaybe Hilary will finally marry Huma
Report Post »Freedom Keeper
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:42pmDon‘t you mean ’on’ the mouth? Lol. I don’t think Glenn would do that, he’s too straight….and awesome…..
Report Post »AnAppealToGod
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:22amIt was actually said correctly. I heard him say IN the mouth. Not on.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:44amyeh, in. Makes an easily-breitbarted vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSLNfTsW4hw
Report Post »LibertyWon
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:11ambreitbarted vid? When did breitbart become a verb? It had something to do with how he exposed Weiner didn’t it?
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 7:10amLong before Weiner.. Last year, “Breitbarted: When a video is selectively edited to distort context and make someone appear guilty of something they didn’t actually do
Report Post »ie. That guy is innocent, but they chopped up that video and Breitbarted him, so he was presumed guilty.”
sb36695
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:10pmGlad to know lawmakers are working on ways to pull America back from the brink.
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:08pmSliding down the slippery slope.
Report Post »beverlee
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:02amIt is later than you think…
Report Post »becauseitmatters
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:25amAs for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
I’m not going down that slippery slope just because most of our nation is.
Report Post »teammommy
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:05pmdear Lord, please forgive our nation….
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:13pmAnd lord remember we all don’t think like Libs
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:54pmHe should – for all the hatefulness that will be posted in places like this by people who CLAIM to be one of his when what he commands is love. I‘m sure he’s got a full plate of forgiving to get too tonight. Good thing he can handle it.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:50amYeah and supporting gay marriage doesn‘t mean that you’re a loving person.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 3:15amNeither does supporting straight marriage.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:36amnot by itself, no. However, conducting myself with kindness and compassion even when I’m forced to disagree is a pretty good sign.
Not that I make any claim or pretense of being “loving” – I need not be to point out that those who make their case based on “God said it” need to be consistent in their application of God’s standards even when it means controlling their own behavior.
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:42am…………….. TAMMY_BETH……= ………. HUfFF PO TROLL….
Report Post »psst
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:44amteammommy
Report Post »Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:05pm
dear Lord, please forgive our nation
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A Nation that deliberately turns it’s back on God, time after time, to live in Abomination ,will be judged harshly.
US is putting Sodom and Gomorrah to shame in the race to see who can wallow in Deviancies of the highest order.
I still hear talk about US being a Christian Nation. US were —-a long time ago.
The nation is speeding hell bent towards oblivion, but what does the (some) citizenry do? Celebrate abomination.
What next? How about the right to bestiality.I am sure it is practiced somewhere. How about making it Ok for a man and his hog or whatever , and a woman and her prize maStiff to get hitched.
Afterall, we don’t want to discriminate. Do we? I mean, there are NO rights or Wrongs anymore. Are there?
Whatever befalls this nation. It will be very well deserved.
Erabin
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:58amFood ration, your moniker alone should disqualify you from any kind of discussion.
Report Post »stephenb.net
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:47amThank you Tammy Beth. It’s good to see some people who profess Christ get His message.
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoStinkingBadges
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:40pmCome on, say it Glenn!
IS THIS GOOD OR EVIL?
(remember good & evil is defined by God)
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:11pm@One-year – Ha! you’re cute. I won’t repeat my life story as i did on another thread where it was implied i was a prog troll, but if you knew me you’d know how laughable the idea is. there is not one single post under my hand anywhere on HuffPost, or any other liberal blog except 2 or 3 trans sites (usually then I’m arguing in defense of right wingers, by the way – i think both sides are two interested in bashing the other to ever see reason)
the second longest time I’ve spent as a member of any discussion site? Free Republic. where I was a well respected member for nine years up until the last presidential elections, then a short while back i tested a theory and went back and argued a “non-traditional” point of view after that trans girl was beat down in Maryland and my rational, reasonable, non-aggressive posts got me banned within 48 hours for getting off the reservation.
funny how you folks dismiss anyone who doesn’t toe your party line, yet consider yourselves to be the free expression crowd.
Fact is, i am a conservative, albeit of the strongly libertarian point of view, but the conservatives have it wrong on LGBT people. We (you) throw all the limited government philosophies in the ditch in order to dictate morality to people you disapprove of. it’s unseemly and intellectually inconsistent – and I, for one, will keep saying so.
Report Post »PelositheGreat
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:04pmwow.
Report Post »Beyond
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:34pmWonder how many STDs are gonna be exchanged tonight
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:31amI think it’s a goof in NYC they are recognized, but go next door to another state and Oh well ,GO BACK TO NY you fools, you get nothing here … HA HA HA HA hahahahahaha !!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:02amHey, New York was already on my no fly list. I was already hitting them in the pocket. If everyone avoids these queer places and spend your money elsewhere they will see the light and reverse the law.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 5:12pmWow, and you people call yourself Christians? There are some remarks on this blog that will condemn a person to hell quicker than someone in a gay marriage! I am amazed at the stupidity of some individuals who should be less judgmental. http://wp.me/pYLB7-17w
Report Post »ireport uderide
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:22pmWe are being mugged by are own Party.
I will not give any more money to elect (any) Republicans in the future, not until the National Republican Party kicks every one these cowards out that voted for this. That includes local, state and federal candidates and I don’t even live in NY. I’ll just sit out these upcoming elections.
You win Democrats, victory is yours. If the majority is to be led around by the nose by 1% of reprobates then, so be it. When immoral laws are celebrated as “moral” victories then you deserve the government you get.
Before you call me a made up name created by the Homosexual community let me be clear. I could care less who or what you have sex with. It’s none of my business. I try to practice moral standards that have held civilizations together for thousands of years. You have the Democrat Party and mob rule. Good luck with that.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:00pmThe clinics will be maxed out by mid-week !!
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 10:53pm٩(ˆ◡ˆ)۶ ♫ Start spreadin’ the news ♫
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:02pmI wonder if Barney Frank is in his car right now with the pedal to the metal?
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:04pmwelcome to the fall of Rome
Report Post »sooner12
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:07pmYuck. But on the other hand, let them marry and endure the same we hetero’s have to endure. (Just kidding) Have you ever seen them cat-fight….it’s humorous.
Report Post »BONETRAUMA
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:10pmgo **** go
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:14pmAny estimate on the number of jihadies who will be suddenly getting US citizenship by marriage ?
Any estimate on the number of jihadies who will rush into our country , from every corner of the world ?
You know because they just want to love like the rest of us …….
thepatriotdave
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:21pmMore government sponsored immorality. This is what destroys nations and the people in them.
http://www.allenwestforpresident.us
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:23pmThe_Almighty_Creestof
Report Post »I wonder if Barney Frank is in his car right now with the pedal to the metal?
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He is not the marrying kind.
He likes short-term and variety methinks
LibertarianForLife
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:24pmhere we go with the pleas to the imaginary friend all of you call God. I’ll give you a hint, he will show himself just as much as he has the last 13 billion years or so.
Report Post »randy
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:30pmI’m embarrassed to call myself a New Yorker
Report Post »Cyhort
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:32pmcheezwhiz
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:14pm
Any estimate on the number of jihadies who will be suddenly getting US citizenship by marriage ?
Any estimate on the number of jihadies who will rush into our country , from every corner of the world ?
You know because they just want to love like the rest of us ……
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Because jhiadies can’t possibly marry women and get citizenship, right? If you’re gonna object to something at least try to have reasonable, logical objections. Hell, I’d take “It’s against my religious views” as a more legitimate reason to be against it.
Report Post »BlazingPatriot
Posted on June 24, 2011 at 11:54pmBarf !!
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:16amJust because they have the right does not make it right !
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:22amLike it or not, as conservatives ,we believe in “states rights” and we unlike progressives need to be consistent, this is a “states rights” issue. There is nothing in the Constitution that says we have the right NOT to be offended. That goes double for you libs.
Report Post »Timothy_Reid
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:23am@libertarianforlife,
That would be every single min of every single day…. However, the greatest gift he has given us is the very agency we have. The problem that comes with that agency is that sometimes, people make the wrong choice. However the acceptance of our own choices only validates our creator and his daily showing of himself.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:32am@ Cyhort
1. Jihadies from all over the world can be faster-tracked to US citizenship if they say they are gay instead of hetro.That way they can bring 2 ( TWO) jihadies into the USA instead of just one, and ofcourse their “ families” too
2. Jihadies already here illegally can marry among jihadies , and get more protections and favors from ICE than if they marry a woman, since their sham marriages ( to women) always tend to arouse suspicion these days .
Imagine this :
A jihady from Pakistan manages to enter USA ( student visa/ from mexico+ Canada / overstaying visit visa)
If he wants to stay and get legalized to get benefits and kill us here, he needs to find someone to marry him for 20-50 K.
Would he go looking for a woman to marry and open himself for investigations
or
find a fellow jihady in his mosque, claim persecution in Pakistan, marry him and be fast-tracked to citizenship , with the government and community backing him every way possible ?
How many jihadies and their enablers will sponser jihadies from all over the world simply by claiming them to be gay and in need of asylum in USA?
The same USA which is the ‘great satan’ anyway ?
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Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:34amJust when I thought NYC couldn’t be any more of a cesspool………….
Report Post »America is doomed………
BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:19amStart spreading the AIDS!!!!!
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:21amNot surprised. They seem in line with Calif,,,,specifically San Francisco.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:29am@ CHEEZWHIZ
as long as the federal government doesn‘t recognize gay marriage we’re still kind of secured cause only a federal judge can issue the government approval on immigration .
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:49am@ Robert-CA
Report Post »Plz recall the latest memo to ICE, in which
ICE is not supposed to act against any ( criminal ) illegal if the ICE‘s action may cause hardships to the illegal’s family ,
and if they are enrolled in a school/college/Univ.
A jihady’e case can go to a fed judge only after ICE acts on him first , which will never happen now.
cheezwhiz
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 2:00amcontinued :
Report Post »A jihady’e case can go to a fed judge only after ICE acts on him first , which will never happen now.
Now when illegals and jihadies marry and apply for green-card and citizenship, they will have a clean slate and their local immigration official ( who is also ICE) will grant citizenship, no questions asked because ICE has the latest Obama fatwa
the hawk
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 2:03amTHE headlines in Muslum world Read New YORK NEW sodom & gamora !
Report Post »I Also believe it;s a state rights issue !
The10thAmendment
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 2:42amHey, maybe this is a good thing. If the freaks can reproduce, they will kill themselves off quicker than our bullets!
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 2:42am@ CHEEZ
but the rightful authority to apply for a GC is USCIS ? & they’re the feds & an application based on gay marriage won’t stand .
Report Post »But the danger will be when the feds starts accepting petitions based on gay marriage , that’s when jihadists will multiple in great numbers .
ILUVJESUS
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 3:05amNew York, it’s up to you, BUT there will be a price to pay for this.
Report Post »The Homosexual/Lesbian lobby will be emboldened by this to hustle everyone out of public office and replace them with those who will cater to the gay citizens only. Do you disagree? Ha! Just have a look at every area, every industry, where they have gained control; it all becomes a machine that works for them, building their numbers by spreading homosexuality to children and youths. They want to bring into the public square the very sex acts that they perform. They promote all that is deviant. They don’t care about anyone else. Everything in their lives revolves around their sex acts. This is on their minds 24/7. Not to mention, they have enmity against Christians, Christ himself, any church denomination and the very idea of the traditional American family.
No, if you are not gay and you see this as a good thing; “breaking the glass ceiling”, and all the rest of their jargon, you’ll find out that they have no intention of helping you, much less, taking care of you.
Too bad for you New York.
Andrei Mincov
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 3:09am… and they can all get married in the Ground Zero Mosque :))))
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:03amSad.
Report Post »Longshot35
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:15amThere are consequences to every action. We lose God’s blessings when we support sin.
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:25ameeeeeeeeaaaaaayyyyyyyy !!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 7:31am“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers,and it is the duty,as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”John Jay Oct.12,1816
Report Post »“Religion,Morality,and Knowledge,being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind
schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”Article III twice passed Northwest Ordinance. (Fundamental Law) “Certainly No legislation can be supposed more wholesome and necessary to a free self governing commonwealth… than that which seeks to establish it on the idea of the family as consisting of and springing from the union for life of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony.”US supreme Court Murphy v. Ramsey and others(1885) I canNOT reconcile the sin against God and Marriage committed by the mere politicians in the State of New York to any of the above sentiments when we were a “Religious People” governed by “Just men who would rule in fear of God..
BehindBlueEyes
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 7:51amLet the tickle fest begin!
Report Post »Wyatt's Torch
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 8:04amThat is so gay!
Report Post »juliewilton
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 8:15amJudgment is coming! Do we really think we can flaunt our sins and our perversions in the face of God and get away with it? Shame, Shame, Shame! Turn from your evil ways America. Turn to Christ and live in purity.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 8:26amWith Gov. Andrew CuHomo at the helm… What a surprise.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 8:49amThere goes New York. & the others. 8-( I really believe, sadly, that when a state/nation agrees with a majority to make something legal/approved of that‘s considered an abomination in God’s eyes, such as this, that they bring curses upon them as the scriptures warn. & history shows (Sodom and Gomorrah, Rome, etc.). That’s one of the reasons Christians are so opposed to this and the non-believer gay activists don’t understand or believe it. It has nothing to do with our not caring about them as people…just the opposite. It won’t make them “normal” like they long to be nor any happier bc they won’t deal with the root of the problem and go to God for help/healing/His love. The same with abortion. I fear for this nation and especially those states that do this in addition. 8-(
Report Post »militiaman
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:07amAnd the deterioration of the multicultural empire is in full swing.
The cracks are showing. more and more each day. It won’t be long now.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:19amstart spreadin the perversion and devient behavior.
Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:32amThe perverts are dancing in the streets. Like a bunch of animals at a feast. The things that are celebrated in this country. The country is completely out of control and upside down. A citizenry judgement day is coming.
Report Post »Erabin
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:55amWhat? Black people can use the same fountain as white people? What an abomination!
What? Black people can marry white people? What an abomination!
What? Women can vote now? What an abomination!
Quotes from people like you through the times. Congratulations, you’re the people that society in ~30 would like to forget and divorce themselves from.
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:59amThis just isn’t right. I don’t care if these people love each other and do whatever they wish together, but I do care if they are allowed the sanction of legal marriage which should be between a man and a woman.
Report Post »Abortion, gay marriage is the downfall of America. Guess that’s the way America is headed right now. This un-godly stuff being legalized is the end of our Country as we’ve known it. God Bless America!
Gerrymanderer
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:14amRepublicorp, correction: Rome fell in 476 AD; or if you really want to be accurate, Byzantium, or Eastern Rome fell to the Turks in 1453 AD. We are not Rome.
Report Post »TripleG
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:28amWhy would people fight so hard to allow government to control them? A better fight would be to get government out of the marriage business all together. I was married by a preacher, not a state official.
Report Post »Rightnow
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:35amWhat was so wrong with civil union laws that were already available for homosexuals? I have no problem with people loving who they love just don’t make a mockery of marriage and try to legitimize it for political purposes. Democrats should feel shameful for doing it for that reason.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:45amI believe in God and Jesus Christ. I do not believe God makes mistakes.Homosexuality has been around since the creation of man. It is not my place to judge. It is God’s place to judge. Under our constitution we have equal protection. If two legal consenting adults wish to Marry it is none of my business and not any of yours. Live free or die america, the choice is yours.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:47amusing barney frank as an argument against gay marriage is like using bill clinto as an argument against man and woman marriage. I know you people are more intelligent then these comments.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:11pmThe worst part was one of those idiots preaching on his pulpit of shame about what a great day for America it was – essentially taunting those of us who hold an opposing viewpoint.
All they accomplished today was to make America a little bit weaker in general. Sweet dreams, buttercup.
This is a perfect example of why regimes eventually “fall”. You’ve absolutely, positively GOT to have some semblance of rules of law and you can‘t simply change them because you don’t agree with them.
The founders had very little to do other than to study, exhaustively, people’s innate behaviors and what method of government would best serve them. How can anybody today – with a straight face – thumb their noses at the founders? It simply make no sense because people devote almost no time to understanding people, and they are nowhere near as analytic, inventive and intelligent as people were years and years ago. Productive? Obviously. Smarter? Not even close.
Sometimes in life you‘ve really gotta come to grips with your limitations and you’ve got to defer to those that dwarf you in mental capacity. If not, you‘re playing with fire and you end up with a country like our’s today; half good and half simply awful.
Report Post »Kalish
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:31pmThey can legalize anything they want, God will not honor it.
Report Post »QweeQwa
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:47pm@longshot35
You said;”There are consequences to every action. We lose God’s blessings when we support sin.”
Does that include invading a country that never did no harm to us and killing over 100.000 of their citizens?
Report Post »Lana40
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 2:44pmA preacher friend of mine got his blog/facebook page banned because he was speaking out against being gay with scripture. Their excuse? Hate speech!!! It‘s coming folks if we don’t stand up as a majority and demand ‘our rights’ as well. That’s what is wrong w/ America. We allow the minority rule the majority.
Report Post »RAISINGCONSERVATIVES
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 3:54pm@ISHKA4ME…..
Report Post »Let me clarify something for you…When God made humans, He made them MAN and WOMAN. God gave us a perfect place to live without sin. It was not till the fall of MAN that sin entered the world. We were then kicked out of our paradise and forced, by God, to live apart from Him because God cannot be around sin. Homosexuality is NOT made by God, it is a perversion of man’s own making. In the Bible, God condems this behavior. Our country, and the rest of the world is full of sin. As a Christian nation, it is our duty to stand on the moral basis that is clearly defined in the Bible and not be sucked into the politics of man-made social endevors. If we are truly going to continue to be that beacon on the hill, a shining example to all other nations, we need to get back to basics, and back to God. One Nation Under God!! There is a reason we all grew up saying that…let’s make sure our children continue to say and understand what it really means!
WeDontNeedNoStinkingBadges
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:36pmIt’s official … New York has been made The Toilet of the East Coast.
Report Post »Time to flush it …
WeDontNeedNoStinkingBadges
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 5:00pmGet the perverts all in one place, so that none escape the Justice dealt upon them. Time to flush America’s East Coast toilet that New York has become.
24 The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;
Report Post »25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.
26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.
27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’
28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’
29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ‘
(MAT 13:24-30)
MIBUGNU2
Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:47pmHow do they figure who’s dude or dudette ?? NAA,that’s OK,
Report Post »don’t wanna know…NY and SF really Suck, literally !!!!
encinom
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 12:45amHave to love the bigotry parade that is The Blaze. Smalled bible thumpers afraid of what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom.
Report Post »Jeff
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 10:44am…and everyone is surprised by this???
Report Post »I.Swear.By.My.Life.and.My.Love.of.it
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 11:40am@ drattastic
Report Post »Completely agree! As a conservative who believes in freedom, it’s time to stand up for what that means. The people of NY have decided for themselves what they think is best for the people. And that‘s okay and honestly that’s how our country was designed. If you don’t like something in one state, you have 49 more choose from. Progressives are trying to change us into a one size-fits-all type of society and lets get real, conservatives have the same tendencies when it comes to this issue. If two men or two women want to get married, honestly it‘s none of my business just as it’s none of my business how much money you make.
Pujols
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 11:53amAnyone who read this who lives in New York, “GET OUT NOW.”
Sodom and Gomorrah. How can you raise a Child there?
Report Post »Pujols
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 12:02pmCan’t they make an “ALL GAY CHURCH” for all the Gay people?
I don’t care if you come to My Church, but don’t think you can get married there.
Report Post »That’s sick to some of us. Just like killing babies is sick to some of us.
1proudAmerican
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 12:14pmJust one more reason to leave NY state. I hope my property value doesn’t go down much more than it already has. NY sucks!
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 1:13pmwhen someone comes out as the spokesman for God, we should all be worried. How do you know what God thinks? i remember the ptl club, they spoke for God, That t v evangilist, he spoke for God until he got caught with a male prostitute. Please, let God speak for himself. I know catholics who think protestants are sinners for denying the church of Jesus. Should we out law all protestant denominations?
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on June 26, 2011 at 8:07pm@raising conservatives< I am sorry, you are raising nazis. Do not speak for God. I will let god speak for himself. How can you be a conservative with tyranical views. Maybe i should stop voting republican and te party if you are what is on my side. You do not dictate my liberties or anybody else's God given unalienable rights mean anything to you? or are tyhe rights to be determined from some radical preacher? If you are not for liberty, get the h out of the tea party.
Report Post »middleclassprophet
Posted on June 27, 2011 at 11:26amYet another reason why “I love NY!”
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