‘Japanese Jesus’ Legend: Christ Escaped to Japan, Was Never Crucified, Had 3 Kids & Died at 106 (Plus: See the Alleged ‘Tomb’!)
- Posted on August 31, 2012 at 8:55am by
Billy Hallowell
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Jesus is, no doubt, history’s most talked about figure. While, to many, Christ is a savior who died on the cross to forgive humanity’s sins, there are some other theories surrounding what actually happened to the centerpiece of the Christian faith. Among the more bizarre notions is the allegation that he escaped Jerusalem and, thus, crucifixion, and headed to Shingo, Japan, where he worked as a rice farmer, had a family and died at the age of 114 (some say 106).
The “Japanese Jesus” tale, as The Huffington Post notes, is viewed by many as an absurdity, a hoax and a blasphemous variation of the truth. After all, it‘s widely divergent from the Bible’s tale and, if true, it would literally turn the salvation story on its head. But — interestingly — despite having virtually no historical backing, the story actually has a following.
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The BBC reported, in detail, about the theory in 2006, highlighting the fact that there’s a “Grave of Christ” (known as “Kristo no Hakka” by locals) located in Japan — and the site apparently attracts curious visitors from across the globe. The grave is located in the northern countryside of Japan, halfway up a mountain. Curiously, the spot is marked by a large, wooden cross — an odd marker, considering that the theory is hinged upon the notion that Christ never actually perished on the cross.
According to local legend, one of Jesus’ brothers took his place on the cross at Calvary. Then, this brother was somehow buried (at least parts of his body) by Jesus’ side in Japan — yet another theoretical construct that seems counter-intuitive, but is embraced by locals. OddityCentral.com adds:
So the story goes like this – Christ visited Japan between the ages of 21 and 33. Of course, this is conveniently supported by the fact that the Bible skips over large periods of Christ’s early life. He spent this time studying the native language and culture, before returning to Jerusalem. What about the Crucifixion, you ask? Well, it wasn’t Christ that was crucified at all. According to this theory, it was his younger brother Isukiri, who took his place on the cross. In the meantime, Christ fled to Siberia. After a few years, he traveled via Alaska and arrived at the port of Hachinohe, 40km from the village of Shingo.
All of this may be confusing, silly or just plain unfounded. But, The Huffington Post explains where the theory, which has been around for decades, originated:
In 1935, the legend goes, ancient documents were discovered by a Shinto priest that spelled out Jesus‘ activities in Japan’s rural north.
According to the BBC, those documents have long since disappeared (a point which has given rise to innumerable conspiracy theories), though CNN believes local idiosyncrasies give credence to the legend.
Among those: Shingo used to be named “Herai,“ which is only one phoneme away from ”Heburai,” the Japanese word for “Hebrew.” Also, adds CNN, a folk song indigenous to the region doesn’t contain any Japanese words, and sounds an awful lot like Hebrew.
Perhaps of even more interest, the ancient documents purportedly led to the discovery of two tombs. One, according to ABC, is the grave site of Jesus. The other allegedly contains Jesus‘ brother’s ears and a lock of The Blessed Virgin Mary’s hair.
Below, watch one man’s journey to the alleged Jesus tomb (he provides a detailed narration of the theory):
There‘s even a small museum nearby that provides even more information about the Japanese proposal on Jesus’ life. Considering the small percentage of Christians in the country (past polls have shown the proportion to be around only six percent), the presence of such an odd, faith-based legend is fascinating.
Tourism stunt, silly fable — or reality. You decide. Read more about the alleged Jesus tomb here.
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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Comments (139)
BOMUSTGO
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:08amI am doubting Thomas.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:50amHmmmmmmmm, welllll, uhhhhhhhhhhhh, ok……………
Report Post »ironsheik
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 12:55pmI didn’t think the da Vinci code conspiracy could be improved upon, lol. Did Jesus feed a crowd with sushi?
Report Post »JRook
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 2:23pmSo is this as good or better than the myth that the universe and the earth and everything on it was created 10,000 years ago.
Report Post »Mojoron
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:52pmThis would pretty much make the bible a useless tool for Christianity won’t it?
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:55pmJROOK – civilization not the earth was created roughly 10K yrs ago. If you adhere to the Big Bang theory, then reviewing Gen 1:1 – 2:4a should look somewhat familiar.
Report Post »whofarted
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 8:17pmWorks for me
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:01pmJRook
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 2:23pm
“So is this as good or better than the myth that the universe and the earth and everything on it was created 10,000 years ago.”
How can anybody take what you write as credible?
Aren’t you the one who claimed he saw Elvis and Frankenstein together at Wal-Mart?
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:21pmRevisionist history?
Report Post »Gumbercules
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 3:38am@Mojoron
It always has been a useless tool – there are better sources for true christianity out there. . .
Report Post »mwhaley
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:00amIf Jesus escaped crucifixion why put a cross at the grave?
Report Post »db321
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 6:23pmI checked – Nope Jesus’ tomb is still empty. In Jerusalem people line up by the 1000′s everyday to see nothing. They take pictures of an empty tomb. Now on the other hand, Mohammed is still in his grave
Report Post »Wool-Free Vision
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:06amSomeone should call James Cameron. I smell an opportunity to make more money on more bullchips.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:05amjust one more example of one more attempt to delegitimatize Christianity. it’s been going on for 2000 years.
for 2000 years the entire concept of Christianity set back many other-religion temples of their tithes, homages, fees and followers.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:17amDelegitimize? Your position demands that you at least take this story seriously, they’re standing on just as much evidence as you are.
Report Post »dimitrisokolov
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:38amYes. The almighty God sent down his son Jesus so that he could die on the cross in order to protect us from himself. I don’t see how you could be older than 6 years old and actually believe that.
Report Post »IsThereADifference
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:58amC’mon now BURNT this is a (sarc)good story courtesy of the “so-called” Conservative Christian Glenn B e c k. This along with the Friendly Atheist and other liberally written articles should convince people to stay away from this fraud.
Report Post »There in nothing like a good lively debate on a story that was created to delegitimize Christ. As if Christians didn’t already have a hard enough time bringing people to Christ. Keep up the good work Glenn.
Wool-Free Vision
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 11:07amSmall minds scoff and ridicule things they haven’t taken the time to understand.
God’s creation, the universe, requires a balance in all things to make it work. Because God gave man the gift of free will, and because He loves His creation, He chose to also provide us with a means to counterbalance the sin which results from that gift of free will. The counterbalance is the Gift of Grace, that being the God become man and providing His own death in sacrifice, through which we could all be saved by merely acknowledging that Gift and embracing its significance. Without that Grace, we would all be paying for our own sins to keep His creation in balance, “for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
God is great. Jesus Christ in my Savior, and through His Grace all things are possible.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 11:49am@Andyetitmoves
“Your position demands that you at least take this story seriously, they’re standing on just as much evidence as you are.”
Blatantly false. If you’re using “evidence” as a cornerstone for your assertion, then one single text from the 1930s has significantly less evidence than several texts by dozens of authors a few thousand years ago.
Report Post »nobama2012yeswecan
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 12:11pmhey demitri your hypocritical view of religion says that your belief is greater than mine..Hows that Godless view work for other countries..famine,war and intollerance..
Report Post »go back to russia or china and if your scared you can get a feel of socialism lite in the UK or Greece..punks take others freedoms because of their own pathetic hangups…and punks who criticize Christianity should study their history..every liberal hero has a history of killing its people that don’t agree with them..do i have to list them.??.what plans with russia does the president have after the election??China??Egypt?Iran??
Just move..leave..adios
encinom
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 12:43pmThere is another cult that wears magic underwear and believes Christ and Satan where brothers and aliens from another world.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 11:49pm@BurntHills
Delegitimatize Christianity? You mean like a religion that believes that Jesus hung out in Missouri and fought Indians (because Indians are evil), and that blacks are so bad that they weren’t able to take positions in the church hierarchy until 1978, or that there is an alien race living on the moon, or that God lives on the planet Kolob, or that people who follow the faith will be rewarded with their own planet after death? Mormon Church, baby, look it up.
Report Post »DLV
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:45amlocked- yay you’re hitting atheist comments! hahaha
Report Post »braineater000
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 11:37am@ENCINOM Bigotry from a dirty liberal? What a surprise.
Report Post »Indymaverick
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:01amNo actually Jesus is living in my spare bedroom and he never helps out around the house. (Sarcasm) The stuff that comes out on the internet just makes me laugh.
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 12:46pm“Jesus built my HotRod” and he is living in the trunk of it…and it made a good song as well…
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 2:40pmNo, that’s Elvis. If he seems to be on the john for too long…you better check on him.
Report Post »BARB64
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:55amMatthew 24:…. signs of the times of the end: Verse 23-28-”Then if any one says to you ‘Lo, here is the Christ!’ or “There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Lo, I have told you beforehand, so, if they say to you, ‘Lo, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; if they say, ‘Lo, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man. Wherever the bodi is, ther the eagles will be gathered together.”
Report Post »Twinspeedr
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:02amAmen.
Report Post »breakobamanow
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:53amThis remindes me that we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places. Jezebel is still hard at work to decieve or destroy those that believe the Word of God and to hand the vineyard to her God, which will rule before Christ returns. The pace at which things are taking place around the world should stir an awakening in the truth of God’s Word, and lead many more to salvation; instead it will most likely lead to the falling away described by Christ in the last days. Many of todays churches have already fallen away and I pray for every one of them. If anyone is in a church that requires you to observe practices, recite words, or do works to prove your faith, please pray about it and if it (the church) does not return to the true doctrine found only in God’s Word, get out. Do not associate yourself with Jezebel. His will be done.
Report Post »Hugh Akston II
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:51amIf he didn’t whats with the cross?
Report Post »saranda
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:48amLet’s get David Barton on this one. Without his endorsement this story falls short of credibility, unless Joe Smith wrote it.
Report Post »Grace1798
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:47amThere are thousands of religions throughout the entire world, thousands of deities ……………..YET……they target ONLY JESUS CHRIST. This makes me believe that Jesus must be the real thing because Satan and Satan’s followers (who imitate their father) find Jesus Christ a REAL THREAT in order to do these things and say these things. They are working so very hard at it night and day, it makes one wonder why. Why dost thou protest so much? IF JESUS CHRIST was NOT a THREAT and a NOBODY to them, as they are continually stating and constantly putting out there…….then WHY ARE THEY PROTESTING SO MUCH AND SO OFTEN ABOUT THIS NOBODY? Makes me wonder for sure. Anyone with any real intellect must wonder the same thing.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:55amBuddha, Confuscious and the countless ‘divine’ emperors are all still laying in there graves.
They were merely men.
But Christ’s tomb lies vacant.
Report Post »Verity58
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 5:52pmI agree with your logic and have also found those that are pushing a Judeo-Christian or Chrislamic agenda to be at the core of the deciept.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:46amWhat kind of idiots we have in the world! There are a lot of gravesites in Mexico with Jesus in them too, I am sure, but our Savior, the Son of God is alive and well and preparing a place for all that believe in Him. I am one that will believe the Word of God until my day comes to meet Him. I guess we will have to hear, He is over here or over there but we children of God know where He is….in our hearts until the day we become one with Him again.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:59amHow is this any more strange than the LDS story, with its fake book of Abraham and a founder whose story changed almost daily.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:08amfunny how these obama troglydites never even knew about Mormonism until Gov Romney took America‘s attention away from the trogs’ petty bitter little pinhead communist god obama. none of these ignorant obama animals ever realized their prince Dingy Harry Reid is a Mormon too. HAHA!
Report Post »saranda
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 6:49pm@burnthhills – read the Bofm three times in the past 15 years. Lots of LDS in my neighborhood so I have plenty of exposure as I have accompanied my kids to their friends baptisms and heard all the wonderful family stories. Waited outside a temple wedding with the parents while their daughter wed inside and they were not allowed to attend their daughters wedding (she and her husband have since become LDS survivors or exmo as some say and apologized to the parents for the wedding day snub) As a result I felt compelled to find out what the LDS is about. Probably researched more than gb did. Nothing to do with politics. And yes I am uncomfortable with an LDS president.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:41am@SARANDA
1) The parents were allowed in, they chose not to attend.
2) Why apologizes to your parents for a ‘sham’ wedding?
3) For all of us seeking the truth, enlighten us on what you’ve found out so far…is there a ‘true’ religion? Do we baptize at birth? Dunk or sprinkle? Saturday or Sunday? Women as priests? Is there anything required of us or are we just ‘saved’? Is Gahndi really going to hell? Is authority important?
Save me, oh enlightened one!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:40amI remember going to Europe for the first time and hearing the legend that Mary and some of the apostles had settled in France. That was a new one on a USA reared Christian.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:59amJohn did take Mary into his House. I don’t suppose they stuck around to be killed off.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:01amJesus said: if they will do this to me, then what will they do to you?
Report Post »Guttersmack
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:38amI subscribe to the story that Jesus escaped to North America, found his way to what is now Central FL, and then being pursued by Romans and Indians and Radical Islamists, escaped to Tatooine. On Tatooine he was a moisture farmer who went on to destroy the ‘death star’ before finding his way to the desert planet Arakis. On Arakis, he was a carpenter but since they don’t have trees there, he was forced into spice mining and eventually became the leader of the Fremen, who went on to…..
Or maybe he just sacrificed himself on the cross…
Report Post »Stelex
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:44amI like that……a carpenter on Arakis. Very good.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:00am“On Arakis, he was a carpenter but since they don’t have trees there, he was forced into spice mining”
Sounds plausible. He who controls the spice, controls the universe.
Report Post »Twinspeedr
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:01amHuffpo is has their crack *snicker* reporters digging for ANYTHING to denigrate and dilute faith. Anything even remotely Judeo-Christian is treated the way the Spaniards treated the Central American tribes and their customs and beliefs in the 15th Century.
Report Post »Stelex
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:37amWell I read that Jesus escaped to Kenya, changed his name to Barak and became president at the ripe old age of 2008. At least thats what Chris Mathews told me.
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:58amHis age would be 2012… Jesus was born in 4 B.C…..well between 11 B.C. and 4 B.C. anyway…because those were the years of the Roman census under the stated Biblical Roman Emperor of the time of his birth….who died in 4 B.C.
Report Post »Brad Wesselmann
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:36amI have studied much history and the one thing I know is that Jesus was extremely unique, and since He is extremely unique I will not for a second limit his ability or message of peace and love because of my limited human view of our origins and motives. No matter who tells the story or where it comes from, the message, warmth and love is unmistakable and provides us all with The Way to guide our lives and unleash our own potential for love.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:36amNo offense there are many who still hold to the story of the Davinchi Code movie and novel as “truth’ of Christianity and Christs alleged earthly bloodlines.
Report Post »john654
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:33amSound like Joseph Smith could have written this article!
John
Report Post »TIME_THE_AVENGER
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:01amI can’t help but picture Jesus and Lucifer having a classic showdown on the streets in Dodge City, Kansas City or even Tombstone…
Report Post »It’s about 11:58 or so. An unusually hot day, even for this time of year. Not quite vertical, the sun’s hot enough to burn your eyes out if you look at it. Even the dogs are in the shade and you can’t see one single bird in the sky. The saloons are full because of both the heat and the anticipation of the match. Everybody‘s been drinking since opening time and everybody’s overripe and rowdy, but they suddenly quiet down when somebody notices the time. The poor devils outside for their own reasons have cleared the children and emptied the streets of themselves too. Two riders approach the town, one from the north – one from the south. A cooling breeze picks up a little, but it doesn’t do them any justice. All it does is stir the dust up a little and move a few tumbleweeds about. They disembark from their steeds and slowly approach one another, spurs a-janglin’. Purposeful step by step, they’d both be having a cold one somewhere ease if they could. But this one’s different. This one is for all the Glory and Passion. There‘s no turnin’ back and they stop about fifty feet from one another. Their eyes lock for a moment trying to get the edge on one another through peripheral vision through signs of motion. No luck there. They’ve both been at The Game for too long to make a rookie mistake like that. You could cut the air with a knifeblad
TIME_THE_AVENGER
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:15ame. They tense up together at the precise second, as if set like a clock by an unseen Hand somewhere. Both their Colt 41s have been waiting for this moment too. They know one another by secondhand information too. Rumors and notches that’s all. Frozen atoms of steel, iron, brass and lead. They’re ready and willing to obey their Masters. Suddenly, The Contestants reach and draw in the same breath. Two hats fly off one another at the same time. They look at one another, but there’s no smiles or nods of salute. No sir. Not from These Two. They pick up their hats, dust them off and put them back on. Tomorrows another day.
Report Post »TIME_THE_AVENGER
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 11:50amPrologue:
Report Post »They both rode off alone, each one knowing this would have to be settled sometime. Neither knew when. Time passed. Weapons grew more deadly, and wars got bigger. Unseen forces aligned with one another for good and evil. Evil took the path of riches a long time ago. Good continued on it’s present course. Both chose to stay with the same guns, agreed upon as per an ancient treaty, but unknown to Lucifer, Jesus was carrying a 44. Tell you the Truth, if you can‘t what you’re aiming at, neither’s any good. Now we’ll go a little deeper. Jesus was born a Libra, and that’s a fact. The way I see it, Lucifer had to be born a Leo. You see, Jesus, he’s fair. He‘ll let you sin to a certain point until He says no more and that’s that. He won’t get between the sinner and The Father on Judgement Day. Lucifer, being born a lion under the Dog Star, is a pack animal with no pride. He’ll sit back and let his minions and women do the heavy lifting, while he gets all the credit. Typical sidewinder to be sure. All twisty and turny and connivin‘ and decievin’. He’s got an edge, gun wise too.You see, he’s got a 7-shot revolver loaded all up with them sins. Grazes and flesh wounds don’t count, but if he gets you he gets you. Odds are you’ll LET him hit you again too. That‘s when your Square Dance gets called and you’re holdin’ aces and eights. Chip cashin’ time, and you wish you folded a long time ago. It‘s not a game I’m talkin’ about here folks.The final showdown’
Locked
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:28amWhy not let them believe it? The Church of LDS makes similar claims, but I don’t doubt their love for the Lord. If they’re Christians and believe in God and Jesus, then good on them.
I think they’re wrong, but it’s not my place to criticize their personal beliefs. I will point out the obvious flaws in their arguments, of course (same as LDS)
Report Post »RRFlyer
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:38amAnd if people want to believe the world is flat, who are we to stop them? or that babies come from a cabbage patch, sure, according to political correctness we should never tell anyone they are wrong if it makes them feel good to believe something that could cost them their soul. What’s more important?
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:55amThe difference between this story of a LIVE Jesus travelling to Japan after his crucifition is just a little different than the LDS position and anybody being intellectually HONEST would have to accept that.
The LDS position is that AFTER Jesus rose from the dead and left the Discipline upon his Ascension into Heaven, he appeared in North America to the Native Americans there and preached to them about his life and the God of Abraham and a belief in monotheism. Totally different than a LIVE Jesus going to North America having NOT been crucified or to Japan or the DaVinci Code argument of a pregnant Mary Magdeline escaping to Gaul and settling on the Mediterranian coast.
Now while I don’t believe the LDS position as truth, I can also NOT absolutely rule it out because I wasn’t there and Jesus, as the Son of God, can do WHATEVER he likes, so he might have. The sticking point with the LDS position is that Smith found “secret plates” with “unreadable characters” on them, except by him and to this day ONLY Smith has been able to translate these characters. That just doesn’t sound like a God and a Savior that want the World to understand and know them personally.
So while you might not believe this story or the DaVinci Code or the LDS, don’t equate them as equally valid or invalid. The LDS story is AT LEAST plausible as is the DaVinci Code, given what Christians believe, Christ died on the Cross.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:56am@RR
“And if people want to believe the world is flat, who are we to stop them? or that babies come from a cabbage patch, sure”
Unless they’re trying to force me to believe their religious views, who are we to stop them? I’m not a fan of policing people for their beliefs or personal thoughts, no matter how irrational they are. Plenty of countries do so: I don’t want America to be one of them.
“according to political correctness we should never tell anyone they are wrong if it makes them feel good to believe something that could cost them their soul.”
Reread my response. You apparently missed where I said: “I will point out the obvious flaws in their arguments.” Know what I won’t do? Force someone to change their beliefs just because I’m convinced mine are right and theirs are wrong. If they won’t listen or believe, that’s their choice. Jesus said spread the word: he didn’t say “force all to believe.”
“What’s more important?”
Free will. It’s enough for God, it’s protected by the Constitution, and by golly, it’s good enough for me.
And the fact that you’d force someone else to your viewpoint? That’s your personal belief. I disagree. Luckily, the law, and the Bible, are on my side :-)
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:09am@VRW
“The difference between this story of a LIVE Jesus travelling to Japan after his crucifition is just a little different than the LDS position and anybody being intellectually HONEST would have to accept that.”
Thank you for calling me intellectually honest, as you’ll note I said: “The Church of LDS makes SIMILAR claims.” I’d almost think you were trying to insult me, but that would have meant you either
A) Did not read my post, or
B) Are functionally illiterate.
“So while you might not believe this story or the DaVinci Code or the LDS, don’t equate them as equally valid or invalid. The LDS story is AT LEAST plausible as is the DaVinci Code, given what Christians believe, Christ died on the Cross.”
I don’t call LDS, the Da Vinci Code, nor the Japanese Jesus “valid” or “invalid.” I say what I mean: I believe all of those legends are untrue, and that the Bible IS true. Obviously, none of us can say any of these stories as fact; they are matters of faith (well, The Da Vinci Code is a true work of fiction technically, but you get the idea).
Still, if we’re willing to overlook much of the LDS doctrines and accept them as Christians, why not do the same for Japanese Jesus? The legend of Kirisuto no haka still says Jesus was deified and returned to heaven after his death. It’s not the Biblical story, but neither is the idea that us mortal men can become as gods like LDS says.
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 1:12pm@Lock
Well theres the problem. You are talking about what you believe, I am talking about what can be proven true.
The Bible being TRUE does not discount the LDS position in the slightest, since what they state came after the Bible timeline. Nor does the Bible being TRUE discount the DaVinci Code story either. The Bible states nothing about the personal life of Jesus or whether he married or not. We know that some of the Disciples were married, we know that Mary – Jesus’ mother was married and even that he had brothers and sisters, even though it is only mentioned twice in the four Gospels. People assume that Jesus was not because they figure the Gospels or someone would have written about his wife and children otherwise. Remember…Jesus is mentioned at age 12 and then not again until age 33. Most men were married by 20 and dead by 40-50 during this time in history and most women married by 13-16 during this time in history. So Jesus could have had a family, he could have traveled to India or Japan or the “East” as some have suggested.
The point was certain claims are plausible and have validity if you accept their base unverified statements on face value. The Intellectual Honesty comes when you investigate those claims, regardless of your faith and what you believe, to discover the Truth and maybe have to rethink your own belief structure or maybe confirm those beliefs to a higher degree.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 1:28pm@VRW
“Well theres the problem. You are talking about what you believe, I am talking about what can be proven true.”
Ah, that would be the problem then. Yes, I am talking about my belief. I take it on belief that the Bible is true, precisely because there’s no way to “know” factually (at least until we die, and no one I’ve ever heard of has made it to heaven and back since the time of Jesus Himself).
“The point was certain claims are plausible and have validity if you accept their base unverified statements on face value. The Intellectual Honesty comes when you investigate those claims, regardless of your faith and what you believe, to discover the Truth and maybe have to rethink your own belief structure or maybe confirm those beliefs to a higher degree.”
Plausible is quite different from possible. Certainly parts of the LDS theory, the Da Vinci conspiracies, and even the Japanese Jesus story are possible. Plausible? Not so much.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:25amREALLY? Do any thinking people really believe this? If so, I guess I’ll construct an“Shrine” on my proprety, claim that Jesus actually sailed to the American continet, became a Native American and was buried by the Cherokee Nation.
BOY, I could make millions,charging admission to see this “Grave”. Of course, that is, if Obama didn’t tax it all.
Report Post »skiz
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:20amI just about choked laughing so hard! We will see in the end my friends. God Bless!
Report Post »jcldwl
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:27amYou only have to look at the source of the story to know it is false. The left is on a major campaign to debunk Christianity and they will stop at nothing. Funny how Satan is using them and they don’t even know it. Or do they?
Report Post »Sy Kosys
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:16amKenya will be next with their version of a Savior enshrined
Rumor has it construction will be completed on-time, and the grand opening will be 20 Jan 2013
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:15amBethlehem, Jerusalem, Missouri, Japan, that Jesus really got around.
Report Post »Wool-Free Vision
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:05amHe still does. You should really take the time to talk to Him. His wisdom is unsurpassed.
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:08amI’m available for consultation. All he has to do is ask.
Report Post »Wool-Free Vision
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:27amIf you have a conscience, all you need to do is listen to it to hear Him asking.
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 10:54amConscience is the enemy of the spirit.
Report Post »Wool-Free Vision
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 12:01pmOnly in a man who is at war with himself.
Report Post »Sy Kosys
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 12:09pmthats not war
thats a chicken being choked
xox
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 1:15pmOnly in a man who is honest with himself.
Report Post »braineater000
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 11:35am@Wango You want honesty? Honestly… your beard looks stupid.
Report Post »Landon410
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:14amas a Christian I would obiously have to say I do not think it is Jesus’ tomb, however, if we had to discuss a possibility of Hebrew language showing up in parts of a small Japanese village it wouldn’t be out of question for a follower of Christ to make great travels to spread the word. After all they were told to go to all nations……
I would have to say this story though is a hoax….
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:24amHey, hey – your tomb is your body. I’m afraid the crucifixion of Jesus Christ was more gross than you think it was.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:37amThere are some really sick, sick evil people in the world.
Report Post »Apple Bite
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:11amIt’s Huffington Post. Why would you put faith in anything they write about religion?
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:29amYeah right, Arianna. I suppose John The Baptist is hambonin’ in some quiet alley in NYC. Maybe a spoonman? Go back to school girl.
Report Post »Edohiguma
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:10am“Also, adds CNN, a folk song indigenous to the region doesn’t contain any Japanese words, and sounds an awful lot like Hebrew.”
This comes from people with no linguist training. There are dialects in Japan that don’t sound Japanese at all. You‘d think they’re Chinese or Korean, but they’re just a different flavor in the dialects, similar to how the Northern German dialect and the Bavarian sound like two completely different languages.
The one syllable between Heburai and Herai is irrelevant. Heburai for Hebrew is written in Katakana, since it’s a foreign word, there is no kanji for it on default. Herai on the other hand is written in Kanji, so this is another example of someone writing about his without any linguistic training or language skills.
This really hurts my brain.
Report Post »Amarath01
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:42amFurthermore, Jesus used Koine Greek not Hebrew Rofl.
Report Post »The 6 point start “shield of david” was not widley used until at least the 15th century… the title “shield of david” was used in the 11th C as a name for god without the connection to the 6 pointed start…
I mean this story is a joke of inaccuracy.
watersRpeople
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:05amDoes it help them walk a straight path rather than a crooked path? If so, it can‘t be all bad even though it doesn’t quite approach the Father from the right – yet it’s far easier to adjust a straight path regardless of the direction more so than to adjust a crooked path.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on August 31, 2012 at 9:31amObviously, you can’t control the wind – just turn the sail.
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