Jay Carney Bashes WSJ Reporter, Claims Unemployment Checks Create Jobs
- Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:50am by
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Press Secretary Jay Carney has gotten testy with reporters lately, specifically Fox’s Ed Henry. But now he’s turned his ire on the Wall Street Journal.
Yesterday, a Journal reporter asked how the White House can claim that extending unemployment insurance actually creates jobs. Carney didn’t want to be challenged, and so he quickly attacked the messenger:
“Oh, uh, it is by, uh, I would expect a reporter from the Wall Street Journal would know this as part of the entrance exam.”
Ouch. After putting down his sword, he then went on to answer the question:
“It is one of the most direct ways to infuse money directly into the economy because people who are unemployed and obviously aren’t running a paycheck are going to spend the money that they get. They’re not going to save it, they’re going to spend it. And with unemployment insurance, that way, the money goes directly back into the economy, dollar for dollar virtually.”
Watch for yourself:
Let’s look at that a little closer. Unemployment checks — the money you get for not having a job — actually create jobs? Really? Money for not having a job creates jobs? Doesn’t that seem to be a bastardization of trickle-down economics, with a communist flavor? Aren’t businesses — not the unemployed — the job creators? And with that logic, should we just put everyone on the dole?
Bryan Preston over at Pajamas Media explains:
Here’s the thing. True, unemployment pays people money and they’re likely to spend it. But you’re also paying people not to work. Not to produce anything. The longer you pay them to not work, the longer they’re likely not to work. And the money to pay people not to work has to come from somewhere. Guess where (besides Jay Carney’s back side)?
That’s right — from people who are working, being productive, and who also are likely to spend the money. While unemployment insurance of some form and length is reasonable, the notion that it creates jobs is laughable on a Seinfeldian level. It’s a safety net, not an engine of our economic might.
Put it this way: If Carney’s logic held up, we should just carpet bomb the country in unemployment checks, forever. That would create a billion jobs and we’d all be swimming in prosperity.
You have to wonder who failed the entrance exam.
(via Gateway Pundit)
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:11pmCarney = Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (aka Baghdad Bob)
Report Post »Man Up America
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:23pmSeriously, no one is going to challenge his answer about infusing the economy with unemployment money creating jobs? I’ll do it. Hey Carney you’re wrong. I’ll explain. If everyone in America has a job on day 1 and at the end of day 1 one person looses their job and files of unemployment there will be no jobs created from there gaining of unemployment money. Unless unemployment pays more than 100% of what that person made at their job to begin with that person has less to spend which will actually drive demand down in the economy as a whole, begetting less jobs. You are so full of Barney Frank I’m sure you just can’t help the endless BS that flows forth when you open your mouth.
Idiot!!!
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:29pmNice analogy – Bob was a real trooper, wasn’t he?
I’m really embarrassed that a guy like Carney, who appears to be around my age, and who obviously has lived thru a government-induced quagmire in the last 1970′s, and then shortly thereafter experienced the most robust productivity gains in the 1980′s of all time – has so little shame. I mean, to take such a job in the first place when you’re a perfectly capable being is really pathetic. How can you shill for a self-avowed Marxist who is hell-bent on destroying everything you learned to be true growing up? It obviously comes from upbringing, meaning Carney‘s parents probably aren’t the most scrupulous people.
This dude is really disappointing.
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:32pmReally? Astounding! These people are just complete fools and they are destroying our country. I’m not going to deny that unemployment checks can actually create a job because if you give 100,000 people money from Uncle Sam (taken out of our pockets of course) and they have no job they will go to the grocery store and buy food and probably some booze and smokes. Then your local grocer will have to hire some high school kids to bag the groceries and booze.
But, and here’s the big problem, the people that the money was stolen from to create this bullcrap economy get absolutely NOTHING for their money. Understand this you socialist dolts, the people who finance this scheme DO NOT BENEFIT, it is nothing more than theft to them. Instead of hiring people directly and getting a benefit from the use of their money, taxpayers are paying to hire people indirectly and they get zero benefit from that transaction.
This then teaches society that they are owed something when they lose their jobs and then when the money dries up we get Europe with mind numbed robots rampaging in the streets. This is the result of these stupid, mindless giveaways, dependency, and when you don’t get what you want, or think you deserve, you riot.
If Europe would have been teaching people to be self sufficient instead of dependent on government for the last 4 decades we would not be seeing riots right now.
Europe is coming to America soon.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:36pmAnd besides that, most people I’ve known in the past who went on unemployment (mind you this was when you had to actually prove you were looking for a job by filling out forms), they spend that money on necessities, like electric, gas, groceries. They were probably used to a higher standard of living than on unemployment. No adays, I hear you don‘t have to prove you’re looking for work, so it would encourage people to stay home. If they had a white collar job, lost it, went on unemployment and all they can find is a Walmart greater or flipping burgers, their unemployment is probably higher. Besides there are college graduates flipping burgers (not that a college degree means anything).
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:37pmMarco Rubio for President in 2012….he get’s it. Palin for V.P……hell she’ll do a better job than Biden
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:51pmcarney, just as stupid as his boss.
Report Post »jimtrees
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:56pmThat’s what is called buying votes.
Report Post »LadyIzShy
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:04pmI was JUST trying to remember his name.. and yes I agree
Report Post »ChiroRef
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:09pmSome people can’t recognize they are being played by a brilliant satirist. My hat’s off to you, sir/madam. What is truly disappointing, however, is that we both know there are thousands, if not millions, or liberals/progressives who may actually think the way your write but are too ashamed to actually say it, or if they were to try, their public education would turn it into a crayon-etched rant like Sharpton did the other day. Bravo! for getting people fired up to defend conservatism as you do.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:12pmCarney obviously has been taught socialism from Pelosi. Her words exactly. Dumb and dumber.
Report Post »mikelivi
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:18pm@ ROTHBARDIAN, That is hilarious hahahahahahahahahahah
Report Post »IntransigentMind
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:33pmCarney is a liar, and he’s a spokesman for liars. They continue the never-ending lie that one can live while consuming more than one has produced:
Report Post »http://markamerica.com/2011/08/11/the-left-declares-war-on-reality/
Rational Man
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:37pmThe S&P downgraded the US because of stupid thinking and statements like this!….Among other progressive brain storming……………….
Report Post »jmmjr49er
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:37pmMr. Clair Shipman is just not capable of doing his job of lying for President Obama.
I guess they did not have an entrance exam at Time Magazine where Mr. Clair Shipman worked before working in Hope and Change Land.
Stay Classy Jay! Where is Little Robert Gibbs when you need true lying?
Report Post »James Daly
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:50pmRothbardian… I think you disrespect Baghdad Bob a little bit (a little bit). Bob probably faced a firing squad if he had bad news. Carney has an active role in creating a lie to steal Freedom from the United States.
Report Post »My Two Cents
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:57pmUnemployment compensation is taxable income. No doubt they would use the spoils to create a million more government jobs.
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:00pmUnemployment creates jobs. See?
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-lFz8_QaCM
Just VERY poorly. LOL
Marci
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:09pmJay Carney moronically taking a page from Nancy Pelosi’s playbook. I swear…1984. Up is down, down is up. Unemployment isn’t enough money to infuse anything into the economy—-it takes care of only the bare necessities IF that. Geez.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:10pm@Gold Coin & Economic News I agree 100% the money provided through funded unemployment funds should be used to supply workers for infrastructure projects, thus providing a benefit to the country as a whole. But equally as nonsensical are the statements that the wealthy create jobs….. DEMAND creates jobs which requires an adequate amount of base and discretionary funds among the largest group of people possible, as the super wealthy can only buy so many homes and cars. There is a direct correlation between the concentration of wealth and the level of demand, albeit a subtle one to identify. A good recent example is the tech boom of the 1990′s which created an enormous amount of stock market wealth to a wide group of participants. Most of who spent the money on bigger homes, cars, home fix up, etc. As we know all to well, when the market moves in the opposite direction, this type of consumption falters. One of the biggest problems we face now are the severe declines in effective wages….aka the race to the bottom. As workers have less and less to spend, consumption will continue to go down. A cycle that will plague us for a while to come. Oh and please move the discussion beyond the superficial cut taxes mantra. That is not the core issue and as we saw under Bush Jr. and Obama, when he renewed them, not providing the expected result.
Report Post »101
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:14pmAnd if you receive food stamps you’re the CEO of your own food purchase and you decide where to invest your welfare check (Wal-Mart or American)!
Report Post »Eddie Reynolds
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:40pm Report Post »ILUVJESUS
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:48pmAre people in this country now so stupid that they would actually believe this? can this man be so ignorant that he really believes that this is how the economy works?
Report Post »If he believes this he needs to leave public life immediately.
AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:52pmCarney the Carney-val barker obviously learned his economics from Ninny Pelosi. Sad. So sad. And Obama? Oh, that’s even worse.
Report Post »ThomasBombadillo
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 6:49pmI liked the explanation from “MAN UP AMERICA”, but I’m afraid Mr. Press Secretary may need something a little more simple:
Lets say you have 10 employed people who earn one dollar each. It is pay day, so there are 10 dollars available to spend in the economy.
Bob, one of those 10 people, loses his job. Thankfully, an extremely generous government steps in and pays Bob 90 cents. It’s not quite as good as he had before, but he’ll survive, and that 90 cents is going right into the economy to create jobs. Maybe not for Bob, but for somebody, right?
The generous government had to get that 90 cents from somewhere, so it collects that 90 cents from those other 9 people who still have a job. They still have 90% of what they earned, and they can feel good because they helped poor old Bob create jobs, so everyone is happy, right?
Now they each have 90 cents to pump into the economy to create jobs. This is great! So lets see… 90 cents times the 9 employed people plus Bob’s 90 cents equals… only 9 dollars. Did we do the math right? The economy has actually been reduced by 10 percent!
Oh no! Now Fred is going to lose his job. But that’s ok, because Fred will receive 90 cents from the government… to create more jobs…
As long as people like Bob are paid to be unproductive, this cycle will continue. Eventually, the economy will collapse and NO ONE will have a job. It’s so simple, you’d think it would be on the application exam for the position of White Hou
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:20pmLet me get this straight. Taking X amount of dollars out of the economy through taxes and putting them back though unemployment creates jobs?
Would that be the same as pouring out half of a glass of water, filling it back to its previous level, then telling yourself you added to the total volume?
Can spending only at the hands of the unemployed create jobs? Why wouldn’t it count as creating jobs if the taxpayer was left to spend THEIR money as they saw fit?
Report Post »phil1765
Posted on August 12, 2011 at 6:39amJay Carney is correct on this it does create jobs it creates a class of professionally unemployed. I think the better question to ask would be don’t the numbers prove that the longer you give out unemployment checks the longer people will wait to actually try to gain employment. With the economy the way that it is they need to go back to 16 weeks unemployment.
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:18amPaying for jobs. Now, that’s a real novel idea.
Report Post »The infuriating thing about this is that Carney knows full-well that the whole idea of creating jobs through unemployment compensation is a bogus idea and has no basis in fact.
The Marxist’ (in this case, Carney) want the bozos who vote for them to, well, vote for them. Blacks have a vendetta against the US and Whites, and, apparently, so many leftist Jews and other whites are willing to, for some strange reason, vote to enslave themselves.
What will they be saying when riots like those in England come to a town near them? I’ll tell you what they will say. They will blame it on Republicans, Tea Partiers, Capitalism, but not on the thing that caused it. That would be the not-so-great society programs started in the 60′s, appeasing blacks instead of forcing them to improve themselves, and letting in way-too-many immigrants.
Pujols
Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:33amJay Corn-Hole is as bad as the last Goofy Greaser Obama had.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on August 12, 2011 at 3:12pmJay CARNIVAL worked for TIME magazine (ugh) 10 years ago
He wrote an article BASHING GWBush for taking a vacation AND
bashed him for photo OP
DOUBLE STANDARD You LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »cluv
Posted on August 12, 2011 at 3:13pmone more thing,unemployment doesnt even pay the bills.the fact is people arent going to spend it in the retail maket.they are going to try and pay there bills.i wonder if Jay Carney was this much of an ass before he became press secretary!!.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on August 13, 2011 at 9:51am.
Report Post »I’m starting to miss bumbling Gibbs.
Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 6:03pm@jrook “DEMAND creates jobs which requires an adequate amount of base and discretionary funds”
And exactly where do the base and discretionary funds come from? If you have demand and have no one to supply the demand, you have no jobs. People with money take the risk in creating manufacturing that hires people who make products that can then be sold to the people that DEMAND those products.
That system is much better than just giving money away to people who are not working.
Report Post »nysparkie
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:11pmIt would take another A HOLE to come up with that same old explanation. Hey Rocket Scientist that is coming from taxpayers so it isn’t growth it is recycling the same old. I D I O T. He is in the same boat as the other progressives. Their only problem is the are all rowing on the same side of the boat. It only goes in circles, never advances straight ahead. DIP WADS.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:26pmIf you have zero money, you ar enot spending money, if you are not spending money the local businesses are not earning money, etc., etc.
Unemployment insurance allows the unemployed to pay their rent, mortgage, groceries, etc. Few are saving any portion of this money as it is oftern not enough to make up for the lost paycheck. Unlike the W. Welfare for the Rich, the rich do not infuse the tax savings back into the economy.
Report Post »FstEti
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:35pmThe rich don’t infuse their money back into the economy? That would explain the new Lexus cars their pulling their new boats with, assuming they’re not taking that Caribbean cruise or visiting the jewelry store like that evil wealthy Newt Gingrich was doing, right? Yeah, the wealthy usually stuff that extra cash that liberals want them to pay in taxes under their mattresses and old coffee cans on top of the refrigerator.
Report Post »IAMMADDOG
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:38pmENCINOM failed economics apparently.
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:43pmencinom
Report Post »If it is coming out of one of our pockets and into the other did it accomplish anything???
Except look on the reports like Obama did something “Good”???
encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:44pmMore is spent on basic needs, then the few that purchase expensive cars. The unemployed is going to spread that check to various people. The Rich Welfare Refund Checks provide little stimulus and do nothing for the economy, accoriding to the COngressional Budget Office.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/30/AR2010073002671.html
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:05pmIAMMADDOG
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:38pm
ENCINOM failed economics apparently.
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Lets, see we have Beckerhead on one hand or the Congressional Budget Office one the other, I stand with the opinions of the CBO regard hoe the best thing for the economy is unemployment checks and the least helpful is W.’s welfare for the rich.
A growing number of studies from highly respected institutions and economists have concluded that the negative effect on long-term growth of the increased deficits that the tax cuts are generating is likely to cancel out — and quite possibly to outweigh — any positive effects on long-term growth from reductions in marginal tax rates and other tax incentives in the 2001 and 2003 tax-cut packages. Stated simply, the tax cuts are more likely to reduce long-term growth than to increase it. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=966
A temporary increase in aid to the unemployed would have a significant positive short-term effect on the economy per dollar of budgetary cost. Such an increase would slightly raise unemployment among the affected individuals, but it would also raise people’s spending and thereby increase output and employment in the economy overall.
Report Post »http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=11874
Encinon
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:06pmStop it and stop it now. I have told you guys endless times that I should be allowed to live my luxurious lifestyle unemployed. Any one who argues against this is just an utter loser who doesn’t like helping the little guy like myself. I hate you baggers for not supporting me being able to have whatever I want without working.
Report Post »My Two Cents
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:08pmENCINOM: Good thing the CBO isn’t running my business. My sales are down 40% over four years ago. The only thing keeping me going are my wealthy customers and even they started using the word budget shortly after Obama got elected. You better stick to entitlements because you wouldn’t make it as an entrepreneur.
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:14pmsame here Two Cents…heck even just a tax hike might force us to close the doors and that’ll put 50 employees out of work
Report Post »jkendal
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:14pmSTOP IT AND STOP IT NOW! Tax cuts do NOT generate deficits – they generate TAX REVENUE! It‘s been demonstrated every time they’ve been put into place. The economists who are telling you that tax cuts cause deficits are lying – and are probably getting paid to lie – to further the destruction of our economy in order to further the rise of marxism. Get a clue and an education. Study facts instead of relying hook line and sinker on your masters to tell you what to think.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:32pmjkendal
Report Post »Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:14pm
STOP IT AND STOP IT NOW! Tax cuts do NOT generate deficits – they generate TAX REVENUE! It‘s been demonstrated every time they’ve been put into place. The economists who are telling you that tax cuts cause deficits are lying – and are probably getting paid to lie – to further the destruction of our economy in order to further the rise of marxism. Get a clue and an education. Study facts instead of relying hook line and sinker on your masters to tell you what to think.
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THen what happened in 2001? Bush tax cuts did not lead to growth it lead to the current debt problem. The deficit continued to grow after 2001. The voodoo economics was proven a fraud by the son of Reagan’s VP.
loriann12
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:39pmActually, the only time the rich don’t put the money back into the economy is at times like now, when they are uncertain what the government is going to do to them. Normally, more money in a business means they can afford to hire more people, or buy more office equipment, or whatever. Maybe they splurge with a few luxery items they wouldn’t normally be able to afford. Higher taxes on business means they raise the price of their product and we the consumer end up paying their higher tax rate. Of course, that’s what Obama wants. Everything he’s done shows he would love the United States to look like London.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:44pm@Encinon
Maybe you don’t have any self respect, to want something for nothing. Why don’t you pay my way so my husband can quit working and we can stay home with our kids?
The only thing the enemployed are giving money to is the government in the form of utilities and possibly the grocery store. So the truth comes out, you are a deadbeat and that’s why you want more money from us.
I got news for you, if Obama does what his father suggested in his paper on Socialism in Africa, no one will work anymore. Who wants all their taxes going to deadbeats like you when we can sit back, enjoy our kids and get a welfare check, like you? Then who will pay the way? China? They’ll be over here kicking everyone off the land to claim it for unpaid debt.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:49pmencinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:26pm
If you have zero money, you ar enot spending money, if you are not spending money the local businesses are not earning money, etc., etc.
Unemployment insurance allows the unemployed to pay their rent, mortgage, groceries, etc. Few are saving any portion of this money as it is oftern not enough to make up for the lost paycheck. Unlike the W. Welfare for the Rich, the rich do not infuse the tax savings back into the economy.
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Please tell me that you’re mentally retarded. At least that would explain your inability to think.
encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:18pm@Encinon
Report Post »So what is your job, anytime some one bring logic and reason to disprove Beck’s beliefs you are there to confuse the issue? As I said yeasterday, you want to debate fine, if not, bugger off.
mikelivi
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:31pm@encinom, your are such a soros shill dude its pathetic. But you are right that unemployment money goes to rent groceries and other things of need. These folks are not out at restaurants or buying cars with that money. You cannot as a sane human being actually think that unemployment benefits create jobs! That is total lunacy!!!!!!! You do remind me of Bob Beckell in that you cannot really believe what you say because it is THAT wacky! Unemployment creates jobs? hahahah I have heard it all now! WOW!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:48pmmikelivi
Report Post »Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:31pm
@encinom, your are such a soros shill dude its pathetic. But you are right that unemployment money goes to rent groceries and other things of need. These folks are not out at restaurants or buying cars with that money. You cannot as a sane human being actually think that unemployment benefits create jobs! That is total lunacy!!!!!!! You do remind me of Bob Beckell in that you cannot really believe what you say because it is THAT wacky! Unemployment creates jobs? hahahah I have heard it all now! WOW!
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If not creating jobs it is keeping them. The jobs cuts have happened in the thousands, without a customer base buy groceries, super markets are laying off workers. The unemployment insurance keeps currency in the stream of commerce, no its not going to create massive amounts of jobs, but it will prevent the lose of additional jobs and a modest increase in employment.
tarbush
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:20pmShouldn’t we get as many people as we can on unemployment since it is such a job creator? The only patriotic thing to do is lay off as many people as possible. I propose the feds take the lead on this by having massive layoffs so we can get all these people out spending. We can’t do it in the private sector because we need the goods & services they produce. The prez should show the way by letting this guy go. Remember, it’s good for the economy.
Report Post »cosette
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:25pm@ Encinomoron- I have lost all hope for you. I’ll try to keep this simple, using words with the fewest syllables possible, so put down the fruit roll up and CONCENTRATE- The money the government ( sorry, couldn’t think of a word with fewer) takes from the WORKING stiff- leaves said stiffs pocket and is given to the guy who’s not working. The money just goes from one to another. There is NO greater sum in the system, IDIOT! It is just in a different persons POCKET. GET IT? MY GOD stupidity should be painful!
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:04pmencinom when did it become a crime to be rich
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:07pmcommie encinom
Washington Post.
Report Post »Commie paper not worth readin’
jb.kibs
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:10pmsounds like paying bills, not ‘creating jobs’, monkey.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:13pmhey commie enci
What did you do with Bush’s 2 $300 tax rebate checks he gave you.
Report Post »He gave me a tax cut and I was making $10/hr.
he dropped my tax rate to 10% and now Super Coon Obama is trying to take that away from poor people.
Course long as blacks get paid, you could care less.
jb.kibs
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:13pmMHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:04pm
encinom when did it become a crime to be rich
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January 1, 2008.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:21pmLoriann
Encinon is faking his post to get back at encinom, and it’s working, as encinom is exploding his skull
Report Post »and his brains are falling out. he could never do a search for anybody with a compass and a map, like I do all the time, cause you first gotta have the brains to do it.
I’m qualified in Emergency Services and Search and Rescue.
encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:56pm@MHP,
First cool it with the racist comments, like it or not Obama is your President, (and I tought the Tea Party was not racist).
Second, I never said it was a crime to be rich, I have said that especially during times of war and economic troubles ALL americans need to due their fair share. The W. welfare for the rich after 9/11 and Iraq, left both wars unfunded and added to deficit (W. ended his term with a net loss in jobs the tax cuts did not lead to any increase in employment).
Third, the Congressional Budget Office backs the notions that the unemployment insurance payments, at least in the short term helps with the economy more than the tax cuts do.
No one here can produce any evidence to support their position about tax cuts for the wealthy creating jobs, while I have provided the reports from the CBO.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:18pmencinom
Where is the 3.5 million jobs Obama lost since he got “selected” Acorn and your crooked union buddies made sure of that.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:27pmencinom
You need to bugger off, since you’re good at buggering anyways.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:31pmSee attached chart http://www.oliverwillis.com/2011/04/01/chart-private-sector-job-growth-under-obama/
Since taking over, Obama first slowed the job loss and then this year reversed the job loss, adding 1.8 milion jobs. W. dug a deep whole.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:36pmencinom
You and Obama are the ones sparking the racism. We’ve got more racists now thanks to Obama, so it’s his fault.
BTW OBAMA IS NOT MY PRESIDENT, AND NEVER WILL BE.
I DISRESPECT HIM THAT MUCH, WHICH IS A RIGHT.
Take your commie crap and take a one way trip into space.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:52pmencinom
Bush had more jobs then Obama does today why do you think the unemployment rate is damn near 10% while under Bush it was less than 8%
You only believe in CBO if it confirms what you think, otherwise you throw them out the window.
Bush left us with a $500 billion dollar deficit, THIS IS FACT. Obama created the 1.6 trillion dollar deficit, as he signed the porkulous bill into law.
It’s better to be a beckerhead than an idiot like you are.
Now the deficit is over 3 trillion dollars, and it‘s Obama’s deficit, and high unemployment is his as well He’s to blame for ALL of it. If rich people want to cheat on taxes, so be it, I do not care.
You democrats and commies should pay all the taxes.
The high gas prices are Obama’s too, the day Bush left office, here, gas was $1.60 per gallon.
And gas is still going up.
I never got a vaction in the 3 years Obama has been in Office.
He shouldn’t be allowed to have one either.
Did you know Obama is rich, and so was drunken Teddy Kennedy who killed Mary Jo in 1969 by driving her off a bridge.
Both of them had their money handed to them on a silver platter. Beck and El Rushbo did not.
Now debate that.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:57pmMHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:36pm
encinom
You and Obama are the ones sparking the racism. We’ve got more racists now thanks to Obama, so it’s his fault.
BTW OBAMA IS NOT MY PRESIDENT, AND NEVER WILL BE.
I DISRESPECT HIM THAT MUCH, WHICH IS A RIGHT.
Take your commie crap and take a one way trip into space.
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You called the President a “coon” is one of the posts on this thread, that is one degree down from the “N” word, you are letting your racism show. If racism increased it is because of the tea party, the birther movement and other right wing, “chrisitian” groups upset that a brown man with a funny name is in the white house (look at the cartoons of him as pimp, a witch doctor and other racial images that show up at tea party rallies).
As W. was my President, Obama is yours. Unlike W., a majority of the citizens voted for him and there was no constitutional crisis about his election (W. was selected by the US Supreme Court).
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 6:17pmencinom
We hate Obama here, we call him every name in the book, which is a constitutional right. We’re not Tea Party, although I do support them, we’re cowboys and rednecks, and I’m damn proud to be one..
When you’re in a jam, we‘ll help ya out if we’re able, where city folks mostly will not, especially in the inner cities. they wouldn’t help me as I had car troubles. Not even the cops would either, but they will here.
I got out of the city to save my life.
We call Obama racist which he is, he hates White People, (Beck was right on that, only mistake he made, was apologizing for it) I know that for a fact. and you give him a pass. Well we don’t.
He’s not welcome here, cause he won’t get services from anybody. No gas, no food or nothing.
We’d tell him to find help elsewhere.
I been shot at by black gangbangers, so I’ve every right to my views, being shot at automatically gives me that right.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 6:31pmencinom
Obama did not win a fair election, he got in by fraud, which I proved here time and time again.
US Supreme Court had every right to take the case, as it is a federal election and democrats demanded a revote in Florida, which is entirely unconstitutional. The election had to be decided right then or it would have gone to the House, where Bush would have won anyways. At that time each state gets only one vote.
We decide elections thru the electoral college, not by popular vote. this is also stated in the US Constitution if you ever decide to read it.
And Algore lost the Electoral College.
Read “At Any Cost—How Al Gore tried to steal the election” by Bill Sammon.
Report Post »It is an accurate accounting of what exactly heppened in the 2000 election.
Democrats actually tried to stop Military Ballots from being counted. and you served right?
So the dems tried to stop your vote.
SpeckChaser
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:23pm@ Encinom
Sorry bud. The credibility of the CBO has been debunked by your liberal friend JZS. Please find a new source of info.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:26pmNo really ENCINOM…you’re with Carney , Pelosi and Obama on this? You truly believe more unemployment benefits create jobs? Show me ENCINOM an economy based on the profits and growth from unemployment benefits ENCINOM..just one..please. Spain? It’s at 21% unemployment today..and in danger of defaulting. Greece perhaps? Please ENCINOM…just one economy..I double dare you.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:32pmThe rich dont’ infuse their money back into the economy ENCINO? So entrepeneurship and business ventures are what? Paying for the business, staff, liability, licenses, insurance, leases, stock..etc, etc..that’s not “infusing” money back into the economy ENCINOM? Really? Please ENCINOM…go peddle your childish keynesian fantasies on Moveon where the lefty automatons buy them without question. We just experimented with the leftist’s dream of “trickle up” economics and it’s been a resounding failure…again.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:37pmOh and ENCINOM…take your “oliverwillis” link back to Moveon. Any jobs “saved and created” by stimulus 1 and 2 are dwarfed by the millions of jobs LOST during Obama’s tenure. Seen the unde-remployment numbers ENCINOM? Put your bib back on ENCINOM..you’re drooling on yourself again.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:38pmAvengerK
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:26pm
No really ENCINOM…you’re with Carney , Pelosi and Obama on this? You truly believe more unemployment benefits create jobs? Show me ENCINOM an economy based on the profits and growth from unemployment benefits ENCINOM..just one..please. Spain? It’s at 21% unemployment today..and in danger of defaulting. Greece perhaps? Please ENCINOM…just one economy..I double dare you.
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Here is the problem Beckerheads are too dense to understand simple logic. No body is saying that that an economy should be based on unemployment insurance. that is either your ham fisted attempt at a straw man argument or you truly do not understand the issues. What is being said is that in an economic downturn, where their is no cash in the system, unemployment insurnace provides short term stability. You apply a bandaide to a cut not because in the long term the clothe will replace the skin, but in the short term it stops the bleeding until the skin can grow back.
Currently, those without are not spending, they are behind in rent, mortages and struggling with groceries and such. The unemployment insurance is injecting cash back into the system. Those receiving the money are not hoarding it they are spending most of it and putting the money into the local economies.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:41pm@MHP
With you there is nothing to debate. Your last post is nothing more than a hate filled, racist rant devoid of facts. You are bitter, ignorant man who is proving the point about the racist tea party.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:42pmYou really want to play the “Bush did it” game ENCINOM?
Report Post »Bush lowered cap gains taxes. You know what happened? Revenues from cap gains taxes went up more than 100%. Why ENCINOM? (I’ll give you a moment to ponder it..I know you won’t know)…
Why ENCINOM? Because lower cap gains tax rates meant more people participated in investment activity (yes ENCINOM..that’s some of those “rich” people you believe don’t “infuse” money into the economy). Ever heard of municipal bonds ENCINOM? Guess who buys those for a city or state’s capital ventures? Yes diddums..some of those “rich” people you keep putting a target on. They’re buying the bonds and treasury notes that keep your roads, schools, libraries, airports..etc etc open and functioning. Still think they don’t “infuse” money back into the economy? Idiot.
AvengerK
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:48pmMy god you’re a drooling idiot ENCINOM..”in a down economy..no cash in the system”… What did Bernanke do with QE2 and 3 you reptile? The banks can lend there’s plenty of liquidity. It’s the business owners…they are not confident with this adminstration’s policies. There’s billions of dollars on the sidelines right now. “No cash in the system”. THERE’S TOO MUCH CASH IN THE SYSTEM YOU IMBECILE! Please…someone just vomit on ENCINOM.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 9:03pm@AvengerK
The problemis that you actually believe the bull Beck served you. QE2 is on a macro level. The unemployment works on a micro level. While the large banks and institution have cash, there is little cash in the local economies. It hard hit areas this problem is multiplied by several factors. Whether it is public work programs or unemployment insurance infuse money into the local system. Again read the CBO reports.
As for taxes, with the crash, taxes returns relating to capital gains has declined. Additionally, the wealthy, have benefited since 2001 from W> welfare program. While the spending cuts proposed by the Paul ryan and the GOP look to limit and get rid of programs that either assist or provide jobs for the middle and working class, while the Welfare for the Wealthy remains untouched. The GOP is sharing the wealth as long as it remains with the wealthy (since the 80′s the gap between rich and poor has widen to historic levels). while the GOP is passing the pain and suffering to the middle and working class.
I am preplexed at the tea party’s desire to be nothing more than quislings, becoming serfs for the wealthy, becoming attack dogs for the crumbs they throw your way.
Report Post »bfocht
Posted on August 14, 2011 at 10:34amMy wife and I just got back from a visit to NY city with our 3 boys. This was their first visit as we live in “the Heartlan” and we wanted them to see the city that is regarded as the financial center of the world. We saw the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, Ground Zero, the Empire State Building, the Chrysler building and most of Manhattan from a helicopter. We took in many ot the sites that typify the results of our free market society. We stayed in a wonderful hotel, dined out, took cabs, bought groceries and spared no expense. I would estimate that our three day trip (not counting travel time) cost us more than $10k. I don’t know, but I think that constitutes injecting money into our economy.
Report Post »dscon
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:11pmeconomist af all stripes agree Jay?
frikin blatant lie!
Report Post »TMink
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:22pmWell, unemployment payments do put money into the economy, but it is completely different from how a job puts money into the economy, and unemployment payments are very, very expensive in terms of psychological costs. With a job, our paycheck becomes our money. We know what we did to earn it, and we want to posess it and show stewardship. With a handout, we are interested in how to spend it. It has less worth.
And paying people to not work leads to people who want to not work for pay. It is psychological suicide for the workforce. Look at large segments of our population who are not interested in work. It is not job discrimination, it is work ethic selection. That is why the Asian communities are doing so well, they come to America to work.
Having a job, even a bad job, has wonderful side effects that the current administration is either oblivious to or antagonistic toward.
Trey
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:15pmThe Congrssional Budget Office agrees with the Obama White House position. Beck and the Tea Party are making up facts on the fly.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 6:00pmencinom,
One U-Haul franchise told me when I worked for them at another store they would not hire blacks, because they won’t work. he says they are there to collect money and that’s it.
Report Post »Sure they paid me $7.50/hr but I had a damn good job, the best I ever had, cause I know how to fix the trucks and it was a fun job.
But the docs retired me perrmenently, as I have COPD which is terminal.
HisStoryUn
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:08pmWhat an ignoramus! Add in arrogant and you get – pure evil.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:15pmSo taking money from taz payers and business that purchase items and allowing someone who didn’t earn the money to buy item instead creates jobs ….HOW?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:48pmObama is following the recommendations and opinion of the Congressional Budget Office that says one of the best things to due for the economy is provide unemployment insurance.
A temporary increase in aid to the unemployed would have a significant positive short-term effect on the economy per dollar of budgetary cost. Such an increase would slightly raise unemployment among the affected individuals, but it would also raise people’s spending and thereby increase output and employment in the economy overall.
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=11874
Even Bachmann knows that the federal stimulus is needed to create jobs.
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9IUA2300.htm
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 6:44pmencinom
Federal Stimulus only created jobs for the public unions. Private sector got shafted.
that’s why unemployment is damn near 10% and that’s not going to change.
People cannot get jobs in union states. I known people who have been out of work since Obama illegally took office, and they still can’t find jobs. My close friend had a union job in a school district for going on 25 years and he had bought a brand new truck. He got laid off, and still can’t find no job.
there are no union jobs in private companies, and damn near no jobs at all.
Now there are jobs in non union states, oil field jobs are booming, even thugh gas prices are skyrocketing, and they are non union and pay average of $35/hour.
Report Post »I bet you can’t qualify to work in the fields, you could not handle the hard work 15 hours per day 6 days per week, maybe even 7 days per week.
You’d fall on your ass and get yourself hurt, maybe even killed.
Oil fields are one of the most dangerous jobs you can have.
encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 9:09pm@MHP
I used to lay and service high and lower pressure natural gas lines for Con Ed. I know hard work. I also know that without the protection of a union the company will attempt to screw any way it can, it will fire you knowing that there are dozen men willing ot do the same job for half the pay.
The 1950′s saw the greatest expansion of the middle class and the increase in the share of the nations wealth held by the working class and middle class, it was also the same era that saw the greatest number of union employees. Enjoy paid vactions and holidays, sick pay, health care and work safety rules thank a union man.
Report Post »muddpuddle
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:08pmHHere’s the deal….. really, they know unemployment checks don’t create jobs. They know that they are lying. They know that they are ruining the economy. They also know that the majority of their voter base is ignorant and will believe whatever they say. Remember, prosperity is not their goal, socialism is…
Report Post »just the facts
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:18pmThere is an old antage that goes – If you want to keep a woman at home, keep her barefoot and pregnant. (No disrespect to anyone out there)
The barry clan is making the citizens of the United States to be that woman.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:38pmI have resorted to getting my information as to what the white house and o’bama (he’s Irish Yannno), second hand. I CAN NBOT listen to either of these friggin’ liars. I have no idea how the economics of this /BS is supposed to work. You get a portion of your proven income. How anybody can possibly think that that portion is not consumeed with essentials- nothing left to feed that wonderful 70% of the american economy that is consumption.
Report Post »308Hammer
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:07pmIf the Bush administration ever claimed that extending unemployment adds jobs to the economy Bush would have been mocked more than he already was.
You add jobs BY ADDING JOBS -MORON.
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:13pmno, they just claimed tax cuts created jobs. Just as stupid a premise.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:16pmTHOMAS, tax cuts ALWAYS create jobs. Study some history, you ignorant imbecile.
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:28pmmodel….
Why do you persist to make yourself look stupid…..wait…..I think the obvious may be the answer! Never mind….
Report Post »In any event….Tax cuts do not created jobs! They add to the deficit! Bush cut taxes for almost 8years and left office with a negative job creating rate! He lost more jobs than he created in 2 terms! The lowest tax rate in 60yrs!!! How can you with a straight face type that (I’m assuming your face was straight). LOL Show me your proof that tax cuts create jobs!
smithclar3nc3
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:33pmHey thomasdaddy,
Report Post »If private sector business has more money it can expand creating less people in unemployment and more consumers not using tax dollars.
He77 this Government is the dumbest engine in history. We tax public sector workers…I’LL POST IT AGAIN WE TAX PUBLIC SECTOR WORKERS…..WHY?
Why on earth would you tax someone pay check that’s paid with tax dollars? Oh yeah that’s right to keep other government employee working COLLECTING THOSE TAXES whose salaries are also paid with tax dollars. If gives some a false sense of paying their share to protect the U.S. and help other. HERE THE PROBLEM EVERY DOLLARS PAID IN TAXES BY EVERY MEMBER OF EVERY STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCY IS PAID WITH TAX DOLLARS TAKEN FROM PRIVATE CITIZEN.
To put in bluntly anyone working for the government (EXCEPT IN IT DEFENSE) are drains on the private tax payers.anyone collecting unemployment and not truely looking for work are drains on the private citizen.
The private sector is a dog covered in fleas ticks and leech…WHO KEEP BREEDING
Perspective
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:41pmTax cuts do not add to the deficit, OVERSPENDING does. Letting people have more of THEIR money doesn’t drive us into debt. Idiot politicians who spend spend spend when there is no money there are what drives us into debt.
Report Post »liv4jumpin
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:50pmThomas:
Report Post »10 years ago when my corp taxes went down I saved $100K, started paying myself a salary (and paid income taxes on it) and hired two more people, a Mngr and a worker so I could be home more with th fam. In the last 2 years I’ve now laid off 6 employees, including th Mngr, and now spend all my time in th shop keeping the business barely afloat. Oh, and I’m no longer drawing a salary for myself (and not paying income tax). I’m no economist but HELLOOOOO, my tax breaks created jobs annnnd my tax and regulatory increases has cost jobs. Not Rocket Science.
FstEti
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:00pmThomsadaddy, first, Neither Bush nor Obama are responsible for raising or reducing taxes; they can’t do either. They only can sign or veto the Bill from Congress. THEY are the ones responsible for passing spending money. The last two years of the Bush Administration and the first two of Obama’s were controlled by a Democrat House and a Democrat Senate. This year, the Republicans control the Congress only, and their attempts to reign in spending have been demonized and, as usual, the Democrat Senate and President’s response to balance the budget is to raise taxes on the wealthy without reducing spending. Incidentally, the S&P downgrade blamed uncontrolled SPENDIND as the problem, not the low taxation of the wealthy Americans. For the love of God, read something besides The Daily Kos, or watching MSNBC!
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:50pmActually, if you look at the numbers (I believe the last estimate was 47%) nearly half of Americans don’t pay taxes….they either get everything back or get back more than they put in. We are paying them back, not putting money into the “bank.” That’s why we keep going further into debt. They’re robbing Peter to Pay Paul and not paying the credit card down any. And, no, it’s not just Obama. When I got my “tax break” back, I had to pay taxes on it the next year. That’s a break? That’s a temporary fix hoping people will run out and buy that big screen tv. I put it on bills and saved some interest.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:58pm@Loriann12 – Sorry that 47% number is a lie.
a vast majority of households end up paying federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data suggests that, at most, about 10 percent of all households pay no net federal taxes. The number 10 is obviously a lot smaller than 47.
The reason is that poor families generally pay more in payroll taxes than they receive through benefits like the Earned Income Tax Credit. It’s not just poor families for whom the payroll tax is a big deal, either. About three-quarters of all American households pay more in payroll taxes, which go toward Medicare and Social Security, than in income taxes.
Focusing on the statistical middle class — the middle 20 percent of households, as ranked by income — underlines this point. Households in this group made $35,400 to $52,100 in 2006, the last year for which the Congressional Budget Office has released data. That would describe a household with one full-time worker earning about $17 to $25 an hour. Such hourly pay is typical for firefighters, preschool teachers, computer support specialists, farmers, members of the clergy, mail carriers, secretaries and truck drivers, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Taking into account both taxes and tax credits, the average household in this group paid a total income tax rate of just 3 percent. A good number of people, in fact, paid no net income taxes. They are among the alleged free riders.
But the picture starts to change when you lo
Report Post »NightWriter
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:39pm@Encinomon – and everyone ELSE STILL blaming BUSH – He’s gone – get over it!
YOUR BOY’S in charge now… how‘s that ’hopey changey‘ thing workin’ out for ya?
Report Post »Ex_Masshole
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:01pm@Thomasdaddy: “Tax cuts do not created jobs! They add to the deficit!”
The most two important things you need to understand are:
1. Deficits are CREATED BY SPENDING.
2. Tax “cuts” are not really cuts at all because they’re just the government taking less of what never actually belonged to them in the first place.
Taxes lower the amount of money that can be NATURALLY circulated, which in turn creates less demand for products and services, which lowers the need for employees. It’s not really that difficult a concept. Increased tax rates cause job loss.
Naturally, the converse is true. Lowering tax rates allows more money to be naturally circulated, which causes increased demand for products and services, which causes increased demand for labor.
If you run a small business, you should understand this concept. If not, I suggest you stop listening to the politicians and the morons in the media and give it a try. It won‘t take long for you to recognize the lies they’re feeding you.
The creation of real, sustainable (that’s non-governmental) jobs increases the number of people PAYING taxes, which allows for deficits to be closed. (Assuming responsible leadership that allows spending to be capped or cut).
I think we all know that the deficit will never be eliminated or actually reduced without smoke and mirrors, so in the end, the arguments are moot. Seriously, try running a small business like the government runs and you’ll learn the tr
Report Post »MHP
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 6:59pmencinom
Alan Simpson, (who I know personally) had it right.
he said the tax rates need to be changed.
0-$70K 0 tax rate, over 70K 25% tax rates, Corporate Tax Rates 35%
he wants to scrap ALL tax deductions too.
Al is right, and Obama ognored his debt commission, and he told me that Demos are lying when they say republicans want to cut Social Security benifits. An overhaul maybe, yes but no tax cuts.
Remember Obama telling Scott Pelley, he would not guarantee social security checks if the debt limit was not raised by august 2nd.
Obama did cut SS benefits starting in 2010/2011, and we think maybe 2012.
Report Post »Nobody got a raise. All the social security raises went to your union creep buddies, that‘s why elderly and poor people are starving and can’t pay their rents. Your “selected” president has made sure of that.
AvengerK
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:57pmThomasdaddy tax cuts don’t create jobs. They create incentives for businesses to create jobs. If a business can make more profit in a lower taxed state..guess where it goes? To that state. What about labor costs? BOEING is at loggerheads with the Obama administration right now? Because Obama is backing the NRLB’s decision to punish BOEING for trying to take their enterprise to a non-union state. BOEING can prosper in another state, employ more people there but Obama wants BOEING to share the union misery.
Report Post »Do tax cuts generate revenue Thomasdaddy? Bush lowered the cap gains tax rate and government revenue shot up over 100%. Why? Because more people were active in their investing.
Idiot!
TheEconomyStinksStupid
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:06pmHow much is the administration receiving from the Coca-Cola company for the product placement? I’ve never seen such a blatant product placement during a “news” conference before.
These clowns understand nothing about the economy or human nature. If you pay people to do nothing… they will do NOTHING!
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:18pmand the longer they do nothing, the less capable they are of doing anything else….or would that be not doing anything else…anyway you get the point :)
Report Post »Brizz
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:21pmNot exactly true. There are plenty of things people can do.
Ol’ Dirty Bastard Biography – Arrived at Welfare Office in Limousine, Arrested Repeatedly, New ODB Albums Cobbled Together, Selected discography
Read more: Ol’ Dirty Bastard Biography
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Falcon11
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:05pmI still don’t know what Claire Shipman was thinking about when she married this clown.
Report Post »patbarker
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:09pmI think they are a perfect match…btw, did man/god lord george soros (sugar daddy of left and hell itself) do the ceremony??
Report Post »lookn4nrml
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:09pmClown school must teach that if you take a dollar from your back pocket and move it to your front pocket you now have two dollars
Report Post »12thraven
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:05pmSo, Jay, unemployment bennies are “one of the most direct ways to infuse money directly into the economy”? And exactly WHERE do you think the money to pay the unemployment bennies comes from? Rhetorical question – the answer is it is taken OUT of the economy. Ergo, the truth of what’s happening is that unemployment bennies are one of the most direct ways to redistribute wealth from those who are earning money to those who are not.
Report Post »OBX
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:19pmPay no attention to this perfectly reasonable logic……….move along, nothing to see here.
Report Post »tketterer
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:05pmHow much more counter intuitive can this be? Oh yea, this is really what they want to have happen
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:03pmHe said it creates growth. Hahaha. ROFL — and will be for a while. I am thinking Carney need to look for a job here:
http://www.carnivalmidways.com/
Report Post »jackeric61
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:03pmDoes the WH really think we are that stupid? Unemployment $ go to keep food on the table heat or a\c(also subject to tax) on gas(btw theres a tax on that to) in the car #$%@% taxes on their house, sales tax, auto registration tax, fishing licsense tax (if you want to fish just to eat) auto inspection tax, mta tax (if you live in NY) not for new shoes, going out to eat or heaven forbid the beach. ( there is a parking tax for that to) Where is good old King George 111 when you need him. Isn’t he and the taxation the reason we rebelled against the crown
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:15pm“Does the WH really think we are that stupid?”…..
ummm that’d be a great big YES, yes they do
Report Post »Mtroom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:59pmThey don’t think we are stupid…this is the way they think…which makes them stupid
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:02pmtrue they do think that way…but they do also think we’re stupid and need to be “managed” because we’re too dumb to know how to live our lives properly
Report Post »Mtroom
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:26pmLOL…yeah your right….i fogot…im perty stupid
Report Post »cntrlfrk
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:01pm‘
Funny how they claim unemployment checks create jobs, but want to raise taxes in the middle of the Obama Depression.
The left has no logic whatsoever.
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Report Post »mils
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:05pmlets see that stupid a$$ live on unemployment and infuse the economy..
Report Post »..he’s so irritating..he talks down to us, like we’re stupid..i honestly dislike this man. he’s so typical of the “IWON” adm…talk down to us..take what we have worked for, destroy our nation..
I.Gaspar
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:00pmWhat a smug, little, know-nothing waterboy…
Report Post »I wonder if he ever watches himself…and realizes how stupid he sounds..
lillymckim
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:07pmWill someone remind me again at what institution Jay Carney received his “higher” education?
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:14pmLILLY. Yale University. How can you use The Blaze but not any internet search engine?
Report Post »Next question.
sissykatz
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:52pmModel
Report Post »Try to talk down why don’t you…
AlansTigg
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:00pmdon’t suppose it occured to you that it might have been a rhetorical question??
Report Post »sodacrackers2
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:55pmNot quite sure Model would understand what “rhetorical” means.
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 10:24pmyou might have a point there
Report Post »jollylama
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:00pm‘I would expect a reporter from the Wall Street Journal would know this as part of the entrance exam’ Did he just say that? What do you suppose the prerequisite to blow obama everyday is?
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:18pmDon’t know but I am certain little Jay does!
Report Post »michael48
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:00pmP.S. someone please put a azz whopping on this smartazz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! guaranteed , he wouldn’t get away with talking to this vet that way…disgusting little TWIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »RamblingsFromTheMiddleClass
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:00pmCarney: “[w]e have to do a variety of things to grow the economy and create jobs.”
No, James! The government only has to do 1 thing: Get out of our way!
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:59amdon‘t these idiots understand that while yes it’s true unemployment checks are usually spent entirely and not put into savings…the money is spent on expenses like rent/mortgate, electric, gas…they’re not out there buying new shoes at the local boutique and lunch at the corner deli…so it’s not a huge infusion of money into the economy and causing job creation…people had bills before, they still have them now only new business is people needed to manage the unemployed benefits
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:11pmalan,
Report Post »That money is also spent on food, clothes, and other incidentals. Writing off the fact that the majority of the money is spent on Rent/mortgage, utilities does a disservice to the argument. The people they pay that rent to can continue spending money and paying taxes. The banks they pay that mortgage to can continue lending. The utilities companies can continue to employ their staff if people are continuing to consume energy and pay their bills, and those employees can continue to spend and pay taxes. Does it create jobs F*&k no! Does it infuse a lot of money into the economy while helping families whose bread winner is out of work? Absolutely.
AlansTigg
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:24pmI’m Tigg….can‘t tell that when it’s all in caps :)
My argument was the money is paying for things that were being paid for before…yes obviously the ability to keep food on the table and a roof over the family is a good thing, don’t think that is being argued…what is in debate is the idea that this is improving anything and creating jobs. Providing a bandaid absolutely…but not long term benefit to our economy
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:35pmtigg….My apologies…LOL
I don’t think that there is a debate whether this creates jobs. I think that notion is ridiculous! I do think it keeps the economy going. Paying for things that were being paid for before is a way to help the economy from dipping lower. My neighbor owns a rental property and the residents lost their jobs. They were late on the rent a few times so he had to scale back his spending to compensate for his lost income. Less rent means less taxable income for him. Paying rent does put money into the economy in an indirect way. I think we agree that this is a short term solution, but it works to keep families above water and that economic circle to continue.
AlansTigg
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:55pmwow, you and I agree on something, lol…unfortuantely Pelosi and Carney do not, they both seem to thing that unemployment checks either double once they hit the market (not sure how that works) or create jobs.
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:16pmtigg,
“wow, you and I agree on something,” Nothing is impossible! LOL
Report Post »jackeric61
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:15pmSo what Thomas is saying is all of us that are working are paying taxes to cover the unemployment ins. and that $ is going into the economy. Does anyone understand that there is no way in hell there is enough $ in the account to cover all the unemployed? New York had to borrow a billion $ from the feds to continue benefits for 99 weeks. It was suppose to be interest free. The feds decided they needed the $ so now are charging interest. Every business in NY just got hit with a surcharge from the unemployment division to cover the interest. Thanks again BHO the middle class gets screwed again.
Report Post »discus02
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:58amJust as stupid as his leader.
Report Post »NotFooled
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:57amWhat a moron ! I promise to pay you on tuesday if you give a hamburger today?
Report Post »michael48
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:57amthis Marxist, spoiled little BRAT..quoting Nanu-Nanu Piglosi…Unemployment is GOOD for the economy…well TRY IT COMRADE…and pray tell…is it as good for YOU??????????????? been in buss. 35 years and will NEVER do buss. with or HIRE another DEM-WIT…I don’t have the time to deal with the MENTALLY ILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »8jrts
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:55amThey really do thing we are that stupid….wonder what they will think come Nov. 2012?
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:01pmDo you really want an answer to that question? Because I have it. Here goes…. read on at your own risk:
Report Post »“They” (Democrats) will be thinking, “Wow! That Romney guy is a racist, radical right wing nutjob hate-monger who wants to starve the old and poor to death and people would have to be insane to vote for him.”
Any other questions?
thomasdaddy
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:01pmNow why would they “thing” that? LMAO!! Couldn’t resist!
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:09pmTHOMAS, maybe someday you can get a job as a middle school typing teacher. Dream big!
Report Post »8jrts
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:12pmYeah….wonder what President Romney will be saying about the stupid, liberal, America hating, spread the misery around ex-president and democrats?
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:20pmmodel….see that’s how people get their feelings hurt! Always poking their nose in other peoples business! LOL
Report Post »I like my job now. You keep trying to convince people you‘re a tough guy with that picture of the assault rifle that you can’t afford! OOOooooooo i’m soooo scared! Don’t point that picture at me! LOL
I_Hate_Libs
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:55amNo Carney it is one of the direct ways to keep people from getting a job.
The horror of the Democrat mind.
Report Post »charles116
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 8:54pmHaven’t you heard
Report Post »THERE ARE NO JOBS.
20 million un & underemployed.
AlansTigg
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:54amthe arrogance of that man is amazing…of course it is a common trait of the Washington elite…but he‘s just a peon and acts like he’s ruler of earth…didn‘t think they’d get a guy more arrogant than Gibbs but they sure did prove me wrong on that one
Report Post »EP46
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:54amSorry gang, Jay is right ! It’s OBAMA MONEY OBAMA MONEY
Report Post »It sure is ‘infused’ into the economy…drugs, alcohol, big screen tv’s…….
STOP this and force people to get a JOB
charles116
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 8:52pmYou post as if there are jobs to be got.
Report Post »Silly, silly boy