‘Jesus in Drag’: This Is Why a Straight Christian Lived as a ‘Gay’ Man for One Year
- Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:42am by
Billy Hallowell
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Tim Kurek grew up in a household that had an overwhelming negative view of homosexuality. In fact, he claims that he saw the gay community as the “worst of what sin had to offer.” But years later, Kurek, moved by a gay friend’s story, decided to engage in a fascinating social experiment. He very literally gave himself the “gay” label for a year, telling all those close to him that he had same-sex attraction. Kurek is now documenting the experience in a book entitled, “Jesus in Drag.”
The book, which will be released in October, documents all of the issues Kurek faced when he decided to take on a label and title he had personally derided and dismissed as evil for most of his life. The heterosexual‘s literary project isn’t about being a homosexual, he says. And rather than serving as an effort to bash Christians or an exposé, it simply explores how being labeled “gay” impacted his life, The Christian Post reports.
On the web site he created to promote and fund “Jesus in Drag,” the author documents his journey from “bigot” to understanding:
Raised and educated in the heart of the Bible-belt, I didn’t look at certain groups of people as valid or respectable. Liberals, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, I was taught to convert them all. But there was one people group I looked down upon more than any other. For me the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) community represented the worst of what sin had to offer, and I treated it and them with extreme prejudice. I was a bully, a bigot, and a modern-day Pharisee.
After an acquaintance came out of the closet, and was kicked out of her home and cut off from her family, something unexpected happened. For the first time in my spiritual life I began to question why I believed what I did about homosexuality. Were the warnings we always got about gays and lesbians based off of theological fact, or conservative, social stereotyping? And the voice inside of me judging my poor friend for coming out, was that “the Spirit” inside of me, or something else entirely?
Watch Kurek explain the book and his opinions in the trailer, below:
“The book is about my personal journey out of prejudice and the people who taught me along the way,” his web site reads. “This book is not a Christian bashing or gay bashing book. While I am honest about the negative things I experienced during my year involving both, I learned that with any group of people there are positives and negatives.”
Kurek began his journey as a “gay” man in January 2009, after his friend experienced turmoil when she “came out.” In an interview with The Huffington Post, he explained that he initially had no plans to write his experience up in a book. Instead, he was motivated to understand the feelings that gays and lesbians face when they share their sexuality with loved ones.
“I came out to everybody! My friends, family, everyone…I just knew that I needed to understand, as realistically as possible, how the label of gay might change my life,” he explained. “The social experiment itself demanded all or nothing. I knew I’d have to fully engage in order to understand, so there were only a few people that knew what I was doing.”
In his HuffPo interview, the author went on to detail how his family responded to his experiment:
“For the most part I was accepted, but my family operated off the Christian cliché “love the sinner, hate the sin,” so while they didn’t disown me, it was hard for them to accept me as a gay man. It wasn’t long before I realized that “love the sinner, hate the sin” is almost as insidious as being rejected outright. How truly comfortable can you be sharing the ups and downs of your life with a family that doesn’t know how to respond to your orientation? The answer is not very. It was a major eye-opener for me!”
In the end, the experience led Kurek to radically change his views on homosexuality. You can read more about all that he learned here.
(H/T: Christian Post)
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Swordfisch
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:38amthey want to get married so they can go on to each others insurance.
Rom 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities — his eternal power and divine nature — have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and receive in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
ncupcgtrman
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:12amThe scripture you posted is excellent. Man’s so-called intellect is no match for the Word of God.
Report Post »For the word of God [is] living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
N37BU6
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:48pm“…this I know, for the bible tells me so”
Talk about redefining knowledge.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:50pmInside the Church you are actually “told” to judge blatant sin that would divide the Church:
1 Cor. 5:6-13 (NLT)
How terrible that you should boast about your spirituality, and yet you let this sort of thing go on. Don’t you realize that if even one person is allowed to go on sinning, soon all will be affected? [7] Remove this wicked person from among you so that you can stay pure. Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us. [8] So let us celebrate the festival, not by eating the old bread of wickedness and evil, but by eating the new bread of purity and truth.
[9] When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. [10] But I wasn’t talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. [11] What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don’t even eat with such people.
[12] It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. [13] God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”
See, Paul explains it clearly that IN the Church blatant sin, lying, etc can NOT be tolerated. Outside
cessna152
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:57pm…is left up to God. I’ll tell you this I have counseled, fed and donated to gays that were/are struggling. That’s what we are called to do…“love one another”. However, if someone says they are a Christian yet tells others in the Church we need to accept their lifestyle or sin…then that is wrong because God says it is. That’s no different than me calling myself a Christian, cheating on my wife and stealing items and telling the Church they need to accept who I am and accept my sin. Outside of the Church, we are to leave that up to God UNLESS it directly affects our lives. (IE that person steals from me, etc). Sorry Mr. fake gay guy, you‘re wrong and it sounds like you’re ticked at mommy and daddy and want to get back at them. Try being gay in the middle east or any other country that is run by the progressive/marxist/totalitarian parties and tell me how they treat gays…they kill them. Yet Christians have an opinion and you chastise them …it’s called an opinion. There is a difference in opinion and killing them like every other culture does.
Report Post »Thomas Paine
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:03pmTim Kurek is full of BS,
He is trying to make the gay community look like innocent victims of Christian bigotry.
Click on this link & see the truth.
Warning, Very offensive.
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/gays-desecrating-jesus?vdt=video
Report Post »PASSIONFORCHRIST
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:39pmYou can’t take ” LOVE THE SINNER, HATE THE SIN” out of the bible just because you don’t like it or understand it. THAT’S WHY CHRIST DIED!! ROMANS 5:8 “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners CHRIST DIED FOR US”.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This poor guy is being deceived and he is doing it with his eyes wide open.
Report Post »Amarath01
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:42pm“24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and receive in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
I challenge you to look up the Greek translation for these versus. not some dynamically translated ones, ones referenced with LXX and the hebrew text of the time to the usage of the words there. You just might find your assumptions on the “literal” translation of the bible are impossible … when your reading the wrong words.
I know i know you don’t care because your “gods” law says .. welcome..
You are now a pharisee… scratch that they at least were correct in the usage of “their incorrect law’s of god” .. what does that make you? Take some time get to know the bible.
Report Post »You know before i base all my beliefs on a book.word. w/e i would like to know i have the most accurate version.. have you even check?
Independent4233
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 3:00pmONE VERY IMPORTANT thing this guy overlooked and could not justify was the danger homosexuality posed to society at large by being THE MOST disease riddled faction in the world today.
Of course it’s common knowledge that homosexuals caused the spread of aids in thiscountry, butitisalso true they are rifewith many other diseases far greater than what isfound in the general population and many of them almost exclusive among homosexuals.
” A 2010 CDC data analysis underscores the disproportionate impact of HIV and syphilis among gay and bisexual men in the United States. The data, presented at CDC’s 2010 National STD Prevention Conference, found that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women. The rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women
“Sexual transmission of some of these diseases is so rare in the exclusively heterosexual population as to be virtually unknown. Others, while found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners, are clearly predominated by those involved in homosexual activity. ”
Anal Cancer
Report Post »Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes virus, anally and genetile
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis7
cessna152
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 3:07pm@Amarath01,
First off, where did you learn to type? I have no idea what your point is…
Second, look at 1 Corinthians 5 through 25 posted above. It is clear that in the Church God says you can not tolerate BLATANT sin, Outside the Church you leave that up to God. Christians do more in reaching out to the gay community more than all other cultures/groups/religions combined. Other groups simply hang, stone, chastise or kill gays. Christians pray, donate and care for them… Oh, that’s so horrible. So what, we have an opinion, that’s not allowed? Do you KNOW your Bible? I love how people that don’t believe in God or his Word are experts on it.
Anyway, look up http://pfox.org/default.html (PFOX) “Friends of gays and EX-gays” and read the stories how gays have attacked, threatened and ripped apart the lives of Ex-gays who found Christ. Have a gay person walk into a Church asking for help and see what happens. Have a Christian walk into a gay community asking to help and see what happens… you’ll find out quickly who the true caring group is.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 3:29pm@Independent4233,
Great points. I wonder if liberals will use these points to outlaw homosexuality? Liberals are “great” at making excuses for more laws/amendments because of the affect on society. I assume, they’ll simply “miss” these facts.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 4:04pmI agree with you and the word you posted…
Report Post »This young man without reading his book and only based on what can be learned in this story is close to the truth but I fear has gotten lost along the way. He is right about this…The “Church” has abused PEOPLE who sin for far to long. Make no mistake out there being gay is a sinful lifestyle! Having sinful desires is not sin…doing it,acting upon it is.
But what does that really matter? Is your sin or mine any worse? If I tell a dirty joke or drink a bottle of whiskey twice a day and beat my wife but go to church am I any better or worse then the gay man next door?
What is adultery? is it not sexual sin? What did Jesus do with the woman who was caught in the act? Did he have her kicked out of church or was she the first to see Him rise from the dead forgiven?!?!
We HAVE to start BEING the body of Christ! We HAVE to start loving the sinner and hating the sin and all that means! What that means is we act like out Lord and lift them up BUT telling them while you have their hand lifting them out of the dirt to sin no more!
The LGBT “movement” is evil and wicked we have to stand for the truth and fight their agenda. It is wicked. They truly are going after our youth and we have to fight it. Just remember that they are loved by the same God that loves you! Don’t destroy the very people God want to rescue while fighting the agenda God certainly wants you to fight. :)
charles116
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 5:48pmThose are the words of man – 2,000 years ago.
Report Post »Get a grip.
snooop1e
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:16pm@leftfighter – Your questions and resulting confusion are the normal response to actaully pondering the false doctrines of sola scriptura, sola fide and eternal security (teachings not found anywhere in scripture and completely absent from church writings before Martin Luther imagined them in the 1600′s) I encourage you to continue to ask questions and research the writings of the early church fathers and martyrs such as St Ignatius (student of John the Apostle) St Iranaeus, St Polycarp, St Augustine and also research John Nelson Darby, Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib and Post-Trib Rapture, Martin Luther, John Calvin, King Henry VIII and the Church of England and King James and also research the King James Bible with emphasis on the original 1611 KJV. Once you are finished then look up the history of your particular church/sect/faith/non-denomination to see who founded it when and why. I have to warn you though, once you start peeling back the layers you’re going to work our your faith in fear and trembling. “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant” – Cardinal John Henry Newman
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:39pm@Independent4233
Report Post »Goodness Independent4233, I didn’t know those things were such a threat to you. We better outlaw homosexuality quick before you turn gay!
PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:15pm@CHARLES116
Jesus tells us the Bible is the “very mind of Christ.” The Bible is the only book where the author is present every time you read it.
Jesus Christ “who do you say I am?”
Muslims, Catholics, Jews, and Christians all agree Jesus was a Prophet. The question was is He God’s Son? At best you have about 90 years to decide and then you are out of options. Every eye will see Him return according to the Bible.
Why not do the math? Mathmatically it‘s impossible for Jesus not to have been God’s Son if you do the math.
Scientifically, the Bible is accurate.
Report Post »Creation takes less faith to believe than creation.
The history of Israel was accurately prophesied with an amazing history.
It’s non sense to be so blinded by satan you can not accept the truth of Jesus Christ.
Do you really believe you were born to just die?
charles116
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:13pmI think your brain is fried.
Report Post »Wildape
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:32pmI was a church going Christian for 35 years and I left, not because I no longer worshipped God, or refused his grace, or turned his back on Christ’s teaching. I left because of self righteous “saints” like you who use the Bible and the love of God to beat people down. With you in heaven, there is no heaven. You suck the air out of the breathing church. Sword–an implement of war. Fisch, an ancient symbol for Christians when they were persecuted. Put them together you are more of a bloodthirsty Westboro Babtist than the Christians of John 13:35 who will know that they are Christians by the love they show each other. The only difference between you and the loving death cult members of Islam is a breath mint.
Kurek is a young man who did something foolish. I hope he becomes wiser and does not stress his loved ones like that again. There are many ways that he could have shown friendship that would not have led him to this. I wish I could sit Kurek down and share a cup of coffee with him.
Churches nowaday are stocked full of “perfect” Christians like you Swordfuss or with compromising homosexuals who rewrite the Bible. I haven’t missed church in seven years and everytime some “love of god” cannon like you roars I find that the word of Christ is harder and harder to hear. I think you go to church to make others feel small and you enjoy the platform to beat people down.
Report Post »puck2113
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:33pmThis is really interesting that you post this. I was doing a study recently with Romans 1 and was for lack of a better term, totally freaked out, because I always thought it was about the individual in that passage. But… There are multiple kinds of judgements catastrophe(The Flood), Eschatalogical(Revelation 6), but one I think we forget about could be called His abandonment judgement(Samson). Now In 2 Chronicles 7:14 God states “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” That is for us today, the Church, if we do 4 things He’ll do three. I think though, this window is coming to a close. If you go through Genesis you find God’s jealousy in His role not as Redeemer, but as Creator. And in Romans 1 if you read it carefully and with that view in mind you realize it is not just about the individual, that’s what I always thought, but it is a judgement He is pouring out on a nation that denies Him as Creator. In verse 24-25 it says the exchanged the truth of God for THE lie. What could that be? Evolution possibly? The greatest denial of God as creator. So individually its a personal issue, but as a collective it is a judgment from God. And what was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, it wasn’t the Homosexuality, It was the public condoning of it. And I suspect, SUSPECT, we are seeing His hand begin to lift.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:22pmAnd yet God did not think homosexuality was bad enough to give it to Moses in the big ten. Funny he included adultery in the Commandments….hmmmm. Shouldn’t we be as vocally opposed to adulterers. Maybe moreso. That would be too hard though.
Report Post »davidpowd23
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:24amWell said, Also this guy has had the social indoctrination of the best on the left during his young life, going strictly on feelings and social correctness and not by scripture at all. With his popular aurgument that we must be hipacrits since we sin and still judge others, instead of realizing that why we are Christians meaning that we accnowledge our sin but we are striving to live in a manner that God has ordained and required of us, But with that said we ( christians ) never have said that we are without sin or would we not have the temptations of every other human. This guy was placed in a position to talk to that young lady instead became another piece of wood on the fire
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:41am@saranda
Report Post »God was more concerned about putting himself on the Top Ten List… Three times.
saranda
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:34am@pontiac – lying and stealing make the list too but not homosexuality. Methinks the crowd here is a little too concerned about the gay lifestyle and use the Bible as ammunition. It would be a whole lot more meaningful if they also railed against adulterers, but then too many GOP leaders and church goers get to ignore that one due to personal participation.
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:33am@Amarath01
every translation of this passage is pretty much as posted…I have taken it all the way back to the Geneva, Darby, and 1611 KJV…the wording is nearly word for word as posted…I also have a Hebrew and Greek translations…even though I currently can’t read them without a translation program..
regardless…if you go through the verses one by one you begin to understand that this passage is NOT about homosexuality at all but about a PUNISHMENT placed on the Romans due to their idolatry and worship of unGodly things…
Paul is talking about how the Roman civilization is crumbling into degradation and impurity because they have offended God by worshipping idols, being greedy, and lusting after sinful things…so they were punished due to their immorality by God turning them against themselves and unleashing the lusts in their own hearts against them and it was taken to such an extreme the men and women no longer entered into “natural” relations with each other (oral and anal sex would be considered “unnatural”) and even entered into unnatural relations with members of the same sex.
the homosexual acts were punishment unleashed upon the Roman society due to their immorality in all other aspects of their life….if ANYTHING can be learned about homosexuality from this passage, it is that homosexuality is viewed by God as the end result of ALL other IMMORAL behaviors, the ULTIMATE UNNATURAL act against the Word of God.
Report Post »Misty Williams
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:44pmI & my entire family are very conservative Christians. I also have a daughter who came “OUT” 2 years ago. She is just now 18. I LOVE my daughter. She loves God and Jesus, but she hates being around Christian people because she hates being preached at. She knows the scriptures and doctrine so well! But she has this plank in her eye. I am so sad she gave up the struggle against this sin. I hope and I pray that she will mature past this at some point, or that her love for God will cause her to desire to overcome her weakness. I pray & I pray. I struggle with it, but I’ve got no choice but to accept her choice. We all have free will. I talk to her girlfriend some & she’s a nice kid. My heart aches for them both. Three big reasons:
Report Post »1. They are sinning against God. ANY sin you won’t repent of will separate you from God for eternity.
2. They are set up for ridicule and mistreatment from hateful, bigoted people.
3. They are shutting themselves off from so much in the way of familial happiness by God’s plan; husband, children, grandchildren…
Christians, you do more harm than good to preach at someone struggling with this OR ANY chronic sin. Love them, pray for them, encourage them. I‘m not suggesting to change Christ’s church to “accept” homosexuality and call it OK. I am saying we Christians don’t have a very good track record with homosexuals. Batterers, drug addicts, alcoholics, porn addicts, we love through their sin. But homosexuals?
ALL sin and fall short of t
Wildape
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:07pmYou are wrong Misty. Swordfuss is so knowledgeable about who God will and will not condemn to hell and how God will judge everyone that there isn’t a greater expert in the known universe. Even God himself defers to Swordfisch as to what judgement is called. Just shut up Misty and sit in the pew and do what Swordfisch tells you. Don’t ask what Jesus would do, ask what would Swordfisch think.
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:36amInappropriate.
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:08amNo, the Truth of God’s word.
Jesus would tell a homosexual the same thing He told the woman taken while committing adultery: “Go AND SIN NO MORE.”
Report Post »eric6161
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:50amI wanted to marry my mother, brother, sister, etc. when I was two or three years old. The adults laughed at such pretend behavior. As I grew older I abandoned my childhood ‘pretend’ games… no more talking with my rocks, pretending I was the slayer of tyrannasaurus rex, or wanting to be the Yankee’s next Babe Ruth.
Report Post »I first learned about progressivism when I was a child and went to a progressive church in the Bible belt. Yes, my parents were conservative progressives. I remember our pastor offering up ten minute prayers supporting LBJ’s war on poverty. I remember my father saying that if all the money in the world were divided up equally amongst the world population that within ten years those that have the money now would have it again… but that abortion was a great way to rid the world of unwanted pieces of tissue. I learned about progressivism from my economics teacher who tried to stop me from giving a rebuttal to FDRs social security program when I pointed out how it was a program to help those living past the age of 65 when the lower middle class and lower classes were dying much earlier than 65.
I read “Rules for Radicals” and know the instruction the 30% are getting so as to minimize a persons impact on how others think. Thank you for this example of a progressive Christian. I love stories of wolves in sheeps clothing.
atechgeek
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:41pm@ERIC6161 : Great Post.
Report Post »The arrogance of man befuddles me to no end. Those who think they know what is right and wrong above and beyond God’s word if funny to me and to Him I bet.
@leftfighter
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:14pm@poorrichard09
The problem there, of course, is the “sin no more” part of it. We’re all sinners, ergo, we all commit sin. This same thing goes for the guy with a porn addiction, the drunkard, or the pathological liar.
I personally struggle with this quandry: after we’ve confessed our sins to God and publicly professed Jesus as our Savior, our sins (past, present, and future) are forever washed away, but let’s not play pious here: we all backslide. What happens then? If we’re supposed to go and sin no more, but do and keep doing it, are we truly saved from those sins? I’ve always lived by the axiom that if you;re truly sorry, you don’t ever do whatever you were sorry for again. Were we truly sorry for the sins we committed before we were saved if we keep committing the sin after we were saved? Questions like these make it very easy to feel like a complete hypocrite, don’t they?
Which brings me back to the point of this guy’s book: if someone is gay and repents of the sin but keeps going back for the forbidden fruit, is he (or she) really any different than the habitual liar? If so, why are we treating them as any different than a liar? After all, their sin is between them and God. We are supposed to rebuke our brother without hatred so we don’t share in his sin (Leviticus 19:17).
I understand his “love the sinner, hate the sin” argument, but nevertheless, that is exactly what we’re charged to do.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:52am@@leftfighter
But you’re missing the point. If someone claims to be Christian, blatantly sins and FORCES the Church to accept their sin, that is wrong. Lets put it this way, I am a worrier by nature, worry is a sin. However, I do not go to Church and tell others that since I was “born” a worrier you must accept my worry and also accept my teachings that worry is okay. I will teach your kids to worry, I will teach them that worry is normal, and even though God says not to worry, I am saying it will happen so go ahead and worry. Also, how about if I cheat on my wife? i claim to be a Christian yet tell the Church body I was born this way, you need to accept it and if you judge me for cheating on my wife you’re a “pharisee”. Once again, 1 Corinthians 5 is VERY clear about blatant sin within the Church and what to do about it. Outside the Church is left up to God. We all sin, but making excuses for others to accept our sin, is flat out disingenuous! That’s the difference…
Report Post »Swordfisch
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:34amSo we blame the Bible and the felt board – just in his sardonic rhetoric about the felt board you see the deceiving spirit.
Listen very careful to the word of God…But one second before I go any further let me put forth my credentials: I worked in Key West, Florida as a youth pastor for 5 1/2 years. It is Sodom South, the town is run by homosexuals. They have a Gay church that twists scriptures to promote gay lifestyles, they claim Jesus was a homosexual by his relationship with John, and David and Johnathon were gay lovers, but I digress. Homosexuality plays a huge part in the society of Key West – it is a lost culture where every thing goes but no one wants to pay the price.
Report Post »Every year they have a celebration called Fantasy Fest – to those who dont love God it is paradise, to those who do, it looks as if Hell has puked. But here is the dramatic thing, everyone sees the fun on Duval(the main street for partying) But no one ever looks at the two streets just off of Duval. This is where truth is found. This is where the lives of those broken are found, these are the lives no one sees, just like the mass media…no one focus on the real issues of homosexuality or the real consequences, the physical or mental. Physically the homosexual lifestyle destroys men’s bodies, I knew a Urologist who cared for much of the homosexual populace and what he shared with me about the destruction to the bodies of men over having Sex with other men is astounding – this is the real reas
SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:40amAmen! I’ve been to Key West twice. You are right about the conditions there. God bless you for being on the front lines. Someone needs to show these people the love of Christ. Keep up the good fight!
Report Post »castuslonginus
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 3:05pmA “social experiment”. Well theres your problem. You don’t bend the word of G-D to fit social morals. Follow the scriptures ,love the Lord, accept Jesus and society will straighten it’s self out. Love the sinner,hate the sin. Homosexuals need deliverence,not destruction. Only the Lord has the measuring rod and the staff of judgement. His word said it, I believe it, that settles it.
Report Post »charles116
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 5:50pmWell aren’t you special.
Report Post »castuslonginus
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:31pmCharles116:yes I am. Thank you for noticing.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:44pmC’mon charley, you can do better than that. You’re like an intellectually impotent JZS
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:13am“I was a bully, a bigot, and a modern-day Pharisee.”
So what? So know you are going to castigate all christians as bigots because you are? If you have a problem with “love the sinner, hate the sin” then your problem is with Christ.
From what I read, all he says is that he was “raised christian”. That does not mean that he is a christian. I don’t think I read anything where he confessed his salvation. Jesus had compassion on the wicked without acting like the wicked.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:19amNice job reading too much into a single quote!
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:24amIt’s in context. Perhaps you should read the rest of the story.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:32am” If you have a problem with “love the sinner, hate the sin” then your problem is with Christ.”
Technically your problem would be with Gandhi, as that quote is his and is not found in the Bible.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:38am@LOCKED
First, I have tons of problems with Ghandi. He was a degenerate infidel pagan that led countless people to hell. Second, the last thing in this world I will ever need is Biblical lesson from you. Lastly, I know the words arent in the Bible just like the word “rapture” is not in the Bible but the principal is.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:46am@Squid
“Second, the last thing in this world I will ever need is Biblical lesson from you.”
Apparently you do, as you are misattributing quotes to Christ. Where I’m from, we call that blasphemy.
“Lastly, I know the words arent in the Bible just like the word “rapture” is not in the Bible but the principal is.”
The principle might be, but I doubt the principal is. Either way, if you‘re quoting something and saying it’s from Christ, please don’t get it wrong. Not trying to pick a fight: just trying to correct your error in case you didn’t know you were quoting Gandhi instead of Jesus. Go with God, brother!
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:55amHe is right. How can a someone who; acknowledges, likes to live in sin, and does not ask for repentance from it, get repentance? Repentance can only come if we acknowledge our sins and hate them. Without repentance there is no saving grace. Therefore, if gays refuse to acknowledge their sin, they will not receive life, no matter what church they are in.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:02am@ Locked
Report Post »If you read about Christ, you would know that Christ hated sin and loved sinners. He would eat with them, pray with them, love on them; but he always ended the encounter with “go forth and sin no more”. He never said “I love you but go on being gay, or stealing, or commiting adultry”. He loved and then warned, “Go forth and sin no more”. When you truly have Christ, sin loses it’s appeal.
Locked
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:13am@Mtcountrygirl
“He never said “I love you but go on being gay, or stealing, or commiting adultry”. He loved and then warned, “Go forth and sin no more”. When you truly have Christ, sin loses it’s appeal.”
Well do I know what you’ve said. What I’m arguing is that the quote that Squid attributed to Christ is actually a quote from Gandhi. It was a false attribution on his part.
Report Post »FormerLib
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:26am“Apparently you do, as you are misattributing quotes to Christ. Where I’m from, we call that blasphemy.”
Actually, he never quoted Christ, nor claimed to. He just said if you have a problem with that principle, you have a problem with Christ. Which, incidentally, is true. While Jesus never may never have uttered those actual words (and truthfully we don’t know if he did or not) we do know that He stated and demonstrated the principle, many times.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:39am@Formerlib
“Actually, he never quoted Christ, nor claimed to.”
When you use quotation marks and attribute them to someone… that is a quotation. At least that’s what I was taught in English class decades ago. Perhaps quotation marks don’t mean quotation any more?
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:46amBack to Squids original point –
Very good point. This guy is playing off the extremes rather than the norms. What is annoying is that this is always done against Christians.
Imagine the same experiment being done in reverse – would it get any news coverage??? (i.e. a gay man who was raised by a gay couple involved heavily in protesting Christian Churches and other groups that support traditional marriage – coming out and telling them that he is joining one of those Churches they’ve been protesting and is now heterosexual and supports the idea of traditional marriage) – WOW – you mean that those parents wouldn’t be thrilled to hear this??? Duh.
I bet this guy was really disappointed that his family didn’t actually disown him so he could sell a few more books – pathetic what people will do to those they “love” to make a little money.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:48amHova
Report Post »We missed your angry minority act complete with black & white picture form the 1960s. You should troll here more often.
Locked
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:48am@P8riot
“Imagine the same experiment being done in reverse – would it get any news coverage??? (i.e. a gay man who was raised by a gay couple involved heavily in protesting Christian Churches and other groups that support traditional marriage – coming out and telling them that he is joining one of those Churches they’ve been protesting and is now heterosexual and supports the idea of traditional marriage) – WOW – you mean that those parents wouldn’t be thrilled to hear this??? Duh.”
This actually sounds pretty interesting for a read.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:55amNothing like Christian Hate and Bigotry. Christians claim to follow one who taught love, yet all the show is hate. Ghandi was right about how unchrist like Christians are.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:03pm@LOCKED –
ha – yeah, but probably would never get published.
BTW – I knew that “hate the sin, love the sinner” was not a biblical quote, however, I never knew it was a direct quote from Gandhi. Thanks for the info. It’s great that we as a people, can take wisdom from people of all religions. Truth is truth, regardless of who says it. :)
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:06pmIf there is one thing I’m certain of it is that this man IS a homosexual. Hewasn’t just pretending.
Thisis just another lying, homosexual ploy attempting to flim flam people into accepting homosexuality because he is a “straight” person who saw the error of his ways.
The trickery, manipulation and deceit by homosexual activists are truly disgusting.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:48pm@LOCKED
I was not quoting Christ. I know he never said it. The quotes around the phrase was to quote the guy in the story said. I was quoting him. Your argument has grown petty. When I said his problem was with Christ is because he was asserting that (*#! hating the sin, but loving the sinner !#*” (NOT JESUS SPEAKING SO YOU DON”T MISUNDERSTAND) is wrong. This principal was acted out and preached by Christ and His apostles.
If you read your Bible, you will find countless scripture where God expresses his hatred for sin. Yet, Jesus is called a “friend of sinners” in the Gospels, showing the principal.
The “rapture” (not quoting anyone, showing it is a name not in the Bible) doctrine is abolutely in the Bible. Namely 1 Thessolonians Chp 4.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:53pm@ Encinom & those like him
Report Post »Why is it bigotry for me to believe homosexuality is a sin and wrong and not bigotry for you to believe Christians are ignorant and wrong?
I get real tired of being called names for my beliefs.
Independent4233
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:47pmmtcountrygrl
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:53pm
@ Encinom & those like him
“Why is it bigotry for me to believe homosexuality is a sin and wrong and not bigotry for you to believe Christians are ignorant and wrong?”
It isn’t bigotry on your part. These sodomists are the greatest haters in society today.
This little twerp is an excellent example of anti-Christian hate, which is rampant among them. They shreik hysterically about Christians, because they perceive them to be the biggest stumbling block they have to gaining wide spread acceptantce, but they’re wrong on that. It is nature that is their greatest enemy.
Calling you a hater is supposed to make you apoplexic and fraught with anxiety to the point where you wind up defending yourself and lose sight of the fact that you have legitimate arguments against what these deviants stand for, and you waste time defending yourself.
They have a multi-faceted attack they use as a group. Some of them insult and intimidate. Others will try homosexual logic which sounds as if it came from a kid. Another will pretend he is a loving Christian, but is careful to promote all things homosexual, advising everybody else to do the same.
The one factor they all have in common, however, is that they really come across as demented fools who are so arrogant and deluded they refuse to accept that they are doing themselves greater harm than if they kept their mouths shut. Hatred is their motivation.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:53pm“Another will pretend he is a loving Christian, but is careful to promote all things homosexual, advising everybody else to do the same.”
And then there are those who pretend to side with Christians, but quickly will say “But I’m totally an agnostic” when called out upon it. Oh, or who will lie their tails off, and judge the Christianity of others, and then fall back with the “But I’m not a Christian!” excuse when confronted.
No idea who THOSE people could be, right Independent? ;-)
Report Post »Wildape
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:53pmI bet you are a submariner. Very few people are so self righteous and focused on conformity like the screaming fundies of the submarine service. I’m gladly going to Hel (that is spelled correctly) when I die because at least I wouldn’t have to spend an eternity with you. I love Jesus, I accept His Grace, and I have been babtised and I am straight and faithful to my wife of 27 years. But I would rather forgo Paradise than to be in the company of a corrosive turd for eternity. Their ain’t no Heaven with you. You lack of love and contempt of people doesn’t stop at gays. Even the force of the almighty couldn’t get through your “perfect” skull. It must be wonderful to be bursting with self righteousness.
As for Kurek, he is a young man who is learning. I recommend that next time you don’t play with fire and family so much. There are easier ways to come to understanding and being a good friend. These angelic Christians who are imbued with the love of God would never accept you.
Please keep living a perfect Christian life Squid.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 5:50pm@chicago76
Report Post »Exactly…repentence is a turning away from. Will everyone who repents of sin turn away all the time? No. I have a bad habit or two that I constantly am trying to break. I’m good for a while, then I fail. BUT my intention is to turn away. It’s a daily struggle. I assume it would be a daily struggle for anyone who wants to give up a sin. The only thing I gave up without looking back was smoking cigarettes. I asked God to take away the desire for a cigarette, and within 2 weeks I went from a 2.5 pack a day habit to not smoking. Now, if I could stop talking bad about my MIL….
Independent4233
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:49pmLocked
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:53pm
“And then there are those who pretend to side with Christians, but quickly will say “But I’m totally an agnostic” when called out upon it.”
And what does being agnostic have to do with anything just because I agree with Christians on homosexuality? It’s not something that would affect my opinions one way or another.
Everything I say about homosexuality sides with Christians. It’ s on record. No pretenses are necessary. They’re right.
In addition to that I point out your pretenses on BEING a Christian that supports all things homosexual, because you want people to accept your homosexual perversions more readily when you just happen to bring up your long lamentations on accepting homosexual behavior.
Your a proven liar many times over whose real agenda is the homosexual agenda.
Ask the lord to help heal your sick mind. Confess your homosexuality and ask for forgiveness.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:14pmSQUIDVETOHIO — what a loving god and religion you have, that out of all the great works a man did, helping win freedom for millions, did so without raising a sword, and paid the ultimate price for it, all you can concentrate on is that he did not share the same religion as you, spitting hatred at him and condemning him to hell.
And you wonder why people think Christians are bigoted.
Report Post »tricia
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:13amBeing a Christian
Report Post »Colossian 3
5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you:[b] sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of these the wrath of God is coming.[c] 7 In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. 8 But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self[d] with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.
How do Christians forgive those who INSIST they commit immorality because they are not answerable to God!
12 Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, 13 bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive
FORGIVENESS is not ACCEPTANCE of immoral behavior.
Is not this IMMORAL BEHAVIOR the person‘s Rejection of God’s rules, and thereby a rejection from HIS (GOD”S) family? They chose to reject God and not the other way around. Do not believe the LIES of the flesh. We are all ultimately responsible to God, in our imperfect form. FLESH
Gonzo
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:10amGay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay,…all day every day. Come on Blaze, it’s getting old.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:16amI know right? There is less gay talk at an Interior Decorating conference than on here!
Report Post »Hova
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:20amOr, you know, some other gay stereotype!
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:25amWell, I was going to go with hair dresser or dancer. Any suggestions? Freaking troll….
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:39amHey Squid, how’s this? : There is less gay talk at a Glee fan club meeting than on here!
Report Post »FormerLib
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:27amLess gay talk and an Ikea store!
Report Post »Bad Kitty
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:30am@squid im starting to think you are that picture of that golem you have there.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:14pmThere are other things like
Obama speeds up limited air strike, no-fly zones preparations for Syria
http://debka.com/article/22073/Obama-speeds-up-limited-air-strike-no-fly-zones-preparations-for-Syria
We’ll get blamed either way. We’ll get blamed for allowing innocents to be slaughtered. We’ll be blamed for not choosing the good side in the conflict. Is there a good side?
Assad the dictator, friend of Saddam Hussein on one side & the Muslim Brotherhood or Al Qaeda on the other side.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:54pm@Gonzo
Nice one. Pulled the Glee card on me. I’ll see that and raise you one Barbara Streisand/Liza Manelli concert!
@Kitty
Report Post »I’ll take that as a compliment…. my precious.
Hova
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 5:26pmWow, there are more bigoted conservatives here than a KKK convention.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:43pmGONZO — The Blaze will always post stories about homosexuals because they know that’s how their bread is buttered.
Stories about homosexuals seem to draw more comments than most other topics. More comments means more pages of comments, more pages of comments means more opportunities for their new pop-up ads to be seen. Simply stated…homosexuals make money for the Blaze.
Report Post »hi
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:55amThis man lied to everyone he loved. So, whatever he has to say is not worthy.
When his friend came out, he should have witnessed to her about Jesus’ love.
We are all sinners. Adulterers don’t demand their own special rights because they cheat on their wives. People reject that they want to be more equal than others, not that they are gay.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:21amSo, I’m taking that you judge everybody, right?
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:49am@HOVA
Do you really need to ask?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:58am“When his friend came out, he should have witnessed to her about Jesus’ love.”
If the comments here represent Christian love, than there is littel difference between love and hate.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:35pmAnother gay story & more protests by the same person
Gotta be on the down low. Better not hang around NOI
Report Post »nolemming
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:22pm@HOVA Hmmm…yes I do “judge” everyone I meet. You are using this word in an improper meaning. Do I judge whether this person will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven? Absolutely not, that is not up to me. Do I judge whether this person is a good person to have in my life for their influence? Absolutely!!! If you do not “judge” a person how do you know whether you are hanging out with a bank robber, a rapist, a murderer or a mutually good person with the same values as yourself? Stop using those words to cut off the conversation, I do not feel in the least bit guilty for “judging” and will continue to do so. I don’t fall for the games of political correctness or waah waah you hurt my feelings. Oh by the way, yes I have judged you, you are just a fool.
Report Post »Papadoc
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 5:23pmActually Hova, we are to discern good from evil.
You have no idea what the term judgement means, Biblically or otherwise. The concept of ‘thou shalt not judge’ is not Biblical, but it is the last refuge and about the only Scripture passage that atheists, scoundrels, and those who revile God’s Word think they know and find useful.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 5:30pmnolemming
Report Post »Pretty well said
Hova
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 5:31pmHey, Papadoc, how did you know I was referring to an alleged biblical phrase? I clearly did not imply that line of reasoning with my words, so tell me where you got your knowledge of me misrepresenting the Bible for my own conclusions. Hey. Answer me. How did you know something about what I said that I didn’t say? Hello?
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:36pmHI…adulterers don’t need to ask for “special” (and by special, we all know what you mean are those right that you believe that only you as a proper Christian are entitled to and would deny to everyone else) rights, they already have their rights.
Adulterers are allowed to live their lives without constant condemnation, they are allowed to re-marry, keep their jobs. Hell, you will even vote for them as “true conservatives,” despite the fact the Bible is VERY clear that anyone who lives their spouse, for any reason other than infidelity, is an adulterer.
Yet, you are not constantly deriding the adulterers (far more of those than there are homosexuals), the straight men and women who sleep around (far more of those than homosexuals), gamblers, so forth and so forth. You are attempting to deny them a lively-hood. You are not demanding the boycott of companies that employ adulterers or the promiscuous or the gambler. You are not demanding they not enjoy the same rights you do. You are not trying to pass Constitutional amendments designed to deny rights to these people.
Yet, you do this to homosexuals.
So do not tell us you are not hypocrites, bigots and hate-mongers.
Report Post »ShyMan
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:53amThe fact that you can fake it says a lot.
With all these pro-pervert stories on the blaze I reckon I’ll just have to tighten my bible-belt.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:38am” Sin Is appealing for a time ;but, the way of it is death. “
Report Post »SammyStutsfruckle
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:37amHow difficult is it to just treat people the same regardless of sexual orientation? Just leave sex out of it. The gays seem to be the ones that make issue of it more often than not. Want to be treated normal? Quit broadcasting to the world how gay you are. You swish and sashay. You dress like a lumberjack. Ok, we get it. You’re gay. Do your job and act normal and we’re good. I’ll go play golf and you can skip down the street to Lady GaGa.
Report Post »iprazhm
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:36amAbsolute BS. I do not believe this young man‘s ’reason‘ for ’becoming’ gay. First of all when his friend came out, he should have witnessed to her as the bible tells us to do, not joined in the homosexual experience! THATS what a christian would have done.
Second of all, I don’t believe his embrace of homosexuality was non-sexual.
Being a christian you know that liar‘s names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, Rev. His being ok with lying to everyone for a year about being gay tells me he is ok with disobeying God to begin with and does what he wants to regardless of what scripture tells us.
Homosexuality is no different than any other deviant sex act. It used to be listed as a mental illnes by the APA until a prominant scientist had it removed. Not because it was no longer a mental illness, but because he was gay himself.
Report Post »Conservative AMERICA
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:32amIs Glenn Beck planning to come out of the closet or why all these disgusting “it is ok to be gay”-stories?
Report Post »I mean look at these pictures, this man(?) has serious health issues and his book should not be promoted in any way!
rangerp
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:36amThis man is a fool, and he is evil.
Report Post »charles116
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 5:54pmWhy is it so important for Christians to try and inflict their religious beliefs on ALL other Americans?
Report Post »Jews and Buddists don’t feel the need to do that?
When did Christians decide God was on their side.
TheXtreme76
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:54pm@ charles116. We are not trying to force anything on anyone. But if you saw someone walking down a path and knew there were criminals or murderers waiting in that direction, what would you do if you really cared about that person? Would you let them continue on in ignorance? Or would you try to warn them of the impending danger? As a Christian, it is love that compels me to tell someone about Jesus; that He is the only way to Heaven. It is love that drives me to warn about the danger of living in sin, even if it means I will be rejected or made fun of. Believe me, it’s happened a lot. That’s all there is to it.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:56pmBecause Jews and Buddhists are some of the only people on the planet who typically don’t use religion as an exercise in brainwashing
Report Post »vaman
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:28amSeveral things the born again group should really pay attention to:
“I was a bully, a bigot, and a modern-day Pharisee.” As the day goes on, keep reading the postings of the blaze religious right and you will find most of them (and you?) are exactly these 3 things.
“Christian cliché “love the sinner, hate the sin.” Absolutely nothing but a way to justify hate. Blame the bible and shrug your shoulders and follow blindly.
“‘love the sinner, hate the sin” is almost as insidious as being rejected outright.” And it happens too much. “Good” christian parents hating their children because the bible says (when actually it doesn’t).
I hope the religious zealots learn something from this story and this guy gives the moderate, legitimate portion on our society reason to hope that the bible belt/south is not just filled with superstitious, simple minded people. Good work sir!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:39amvaman
You sound ignorant.
yes, Christians are to hate the sin. That does not just include homosexuality. It also includes adultry, child molestation, murder, rape, stealing…..
Do you love sin?
Report Post »blue1701
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:11amJustify hate? How?
His comment that he was still uncomfortable had little to do with the family and everything to do with the position he was in. He felt uncomfortable because he admitted that he was openly doing something wrong. My kids get mad and are uncomfortable around me when they get caught doing somthing wrong like yesterday when my daughter was caught sneaking a brownie. She was doing somthing wrong and I knew it so of course the situation was tense.
This man is obviously very ignorant of the Bible, human nature, and the nature of sin. He is defining right and wrong on the ignorance of others and not truth. Gravity will still lay you flat no matter what you feel.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:23am““Good” christian parents hating their children because the bible says ”
What a straw man. There is no christian parents saying you should hate your children. You are a fool. Is a parent diciplining their children hating them or helping them? Christians are not to condone sin. You can love someone without condoning what they do. Ignorant stereotypes made by people ignorant of the Bible.
Get a clue bigot.
Report Post »Jharvey505
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:26amI guess we should try stealing, adultey or even following false gods for a year as “just an experiment.” We could gain a new understanding about those things also. I know there are social stigmas attached with being gay. A young man that is almost like a son “ came out ” last year to his family and friends, also he is dating a married man. We have talked and as of now I truly do not understand the attraction but God is working on me about that. But breaking up another family gives me pause.
Report Post »Hova
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 5:38pmHey, since we need to follow the Bible, why don’t we just slaughter him? Y’know, like good ol’ Leviticus 20:13 says, “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” Considering that our laws are based entirely on Biblical doctrine, what’s stopping you good, moral Christians from grabbing your stones and pelting this man to death? It‘s almost as if you don’t want to go to Heaven.
Report Post »TheXtreme76
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:47pm@ HOVA This is the usual argument from those who like to say that “Christians are haters”. Obviously that was under the curse of the law. Judgement for those who broke those laws was strict. Jesus came, not to abolish that law, but to fulfill it. The law hasn’t changed. It is still perfect in every respect. What has changed is the ability of all those who have truly accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior to follow that law, not out of fear of reprisal, but from the heart.
Another thing that has changed is that Jesus taught us to love the sinner, even when they attack, mock and even kill us. It is the will of God that none should perrish(eternally in Hell). We seek to show them the love of God so that they can turn from their sin and it’s repercussions. And so we tell them the truth about their lifestyle and what it will ultimately mean for them. But it is out of love, not hate.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:44pmYOUNG HOVE — by the way, love your work. Have every album.
Report Post »fobama
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:25amI am writing a book on, How picking on a fat guy, made me fat… Sounds as dumb as this….
Report Post »McSpeed
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:24amWithout knowing what his final conclusion is on this issue – It is very difficult to comment accurately on what he has lived and written about. I would however question how biblically grounded this fellow is now – and was at the time of launching this experiment. We are all born into sin. Pursuit of the sin is a personal choice. God didn’t make a person gay any more than he made a person a pedophile – drug addict, murderer…and more. We are all born with the capacity and desire of sin as our sin nature. We are all slaves to sin and only find freedom from this through salvation. It is too bad he wasn’t able to breathe truth and life to his young female friend that came out of the closet – He had the perfect moment with a broken soul to share truth so that she could find freedom from her same sex addiction and find freedom in Christ. That is how you love the sinner – while you hate the sin. When you become broken for the lost around you – then and only then can you love them enough to show them the way out so they no longer have to be slaves to the destructive paths they are trapped in.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:24amWhy would I buy a book on a lifestyle .I have no intentions of conforming too.. I have no need for a book on Pedophiles, Islam or any other ideology ..lifestyle or belief that’s not apart of my walk..
EITHER..! But that my belief..! I’m a Bible Believing Christian
I know that Satan goes to and fro… seeking whom he may devour..
Maybe it’s just me ..I don’t push my faith on other people ..
Just Don’t push yours on me…
But don’t tell me I have to stand there and pretend it’s alright and not a sinful life according to my teachings.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:05amYou’re an example of exactly why this young man felt compelled to do what he did. Did you realize that you lumped Islam in with pedofilia and being “devoured” by Satan? Guess what, there are Gay people all around you. Most of them just try to live their lives, just as you do. That big, burly guy on the Harley, the one with the bear paw tatoo, the one who sat next to you at the football game and sucked down beers and peanuts…..guess what, he’s Gay. And that shy, quiet guy that doesn’t like sports, but does love to cook, the one you’re just convinced is Gay as a May Pole, well, he isn’t. Jesus sat down with prostitutes and tax collectors. He shared meals with them and treated them with respect. He had some unpleasant things to say about the Pharisees though.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:34amWhen He sat down with the sinners, it was to bring the to repentance and most did like Mary Magdalene. After saving her from the stoning that she deserved (demonstrating His grace) I believe He told her “Go and sin no more”, not “Go and continue being a whore”.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:55am@Squid
“When He sat down with the sinners, it was to bring the to repentance and most did like Mary Magdalene. After saving her from the stoning that she deserved (demonstrating His grace) I believe He told her “Go and sin no more”, not “Go and continue being a whore”.”
You’re mixing up the Bible again. Mary Magdalene was the woman out of which He cast seven demons, and who shows up again after the Crucifixion. The woman He saved from stoning had no name; there is no Scriptural basis to conflate the two.
Report Post »FormerLib
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:30am***LOCKED
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:55am
@Squid
“When He sat down with the sinners, it was to bring the to repentance and most did like Mary Magdalene. After saving her from the stoning that she deserved (demonstrating His grace) I believe He told her “Go and sin no more”, not “Go and continue being a whore”.”
You’re mixing up the Bible again. Mary Magdalene was the woman out of which He cast seven demons, and who shows up again after the Crucifixion. The woman He saved from stoning had no name; there is no Scriptural basis to conflate the two.***
Oh look, the Blaze has a resident Pharisee. Awesome.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:40am@Formerlib
“Oh look, the Blaze has a resident Pharisee. Awesome.”
Don’t get down on Squid too much. Not knowing the Bible is ignorance; purposely misquoting it is blasphemy. I think his heart is in the right place; he just doesn’t know the Word.
Report Post »Natelusk
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:49am@ DesertRose…
Jesus did sit down with the hookers and dealers, but not the gays. In fact, if you remember, God BLEW UP the gay cities. There is not a comparison.
I do still believe we are to love sinners and help them repent and change, but there is a special punishment God has for homosexuals. Even the Bible says they receive affliction for their ways.
Don’t try to convince me that I should accept them.
Report Post »osgeek
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:17pmDesertrose
Report Post »His father had some pretty harsh words for being gay, as a matter of fact he destroyed 2 cities for sexual deviance. Also islam and those others are put into the same context as they are paths to hell. Fro me personally, I would rather associate with a homosexual than a muslim.
SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:13pm@LOCKED
I have a pretty good knowledge of scripture. It is commonly believed that Mary Magdalene is the same Mary who was going to be stoned. The Bible only identifies her as “Mary” in the story. It does not matter if it’s the same Mary or not. He still told her “….go and sin no more.”
If it is the same Mary that washed Jesus feet with her hair, then chronologically and geographically speaking, it‘s not unreasonable to believe it’s the same woman. Considering what the Lord said about whoever is forgiven much, loves much (paraphrasing). I’m a Fundamental Baptist. I’m very aware of mis-quoting scripture is serious since I literally believe the Bible, creation, miracles and all.
You have not proven anything that I have posted as contrary to the Bible.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:07pm@Squid
“It is commonly believed that Mary Magdalene is the same Mary who was going to be stoned. The Bible only identifies her as “Mary” in the story. It does not matter if it’s the same Mary or not.
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He still told her “….go and sin no more.”
I’m very aware of mis-quoting scripture is serious since I literally believe the Bible, creation, miracles and all… You have not proven anything that I have posted as contrary to the Bible.”
Apparently we have different definitions of such things. In my mind, when you post something as fact in the Bible, and it’s not… that’s contrary to it. Especially as you “literally” believe the Bible, but think “it doesn’t matter” if you keep the names in it accurate.
“I’m a Fundamental Baptist.”
I’m curious: do you use the KJV? I’m familiar with Southern and Independent Baptists and that they often do, but I’m not sure if Fundamentalist Baptists fall under that umbrella. I only ask because the KJV is a notoriously terrible translation; it always amused me when someone says they believe “literally” in the Bible, but refuse to use an accurate translation.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:15pmDesertRose1960
Jesus sat down with prostitutes and tax collectors. He shared meals with them and treated them with respect. He had some unpleasant things to say about the Pharisees though.”
Jesus didn’t tell the prostitutes to keep on prostituting. Now did he? Answer honestly.
He reserved more scorn for the pharisee because they of all people should have known better. It doesn’t mean that all other people/sinners could keep on keeping on doing what was sinful.
Report Post »I Fly Low
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:15amIs he covering for his own “lustfull wants” ? Those knob nobs on the side of his head are for ?????????
Report Post »joshuawoodz
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:13amMany Christians have strong views on homosexuality. Just because someone thinks homosexuality is immoral does not make them a bigot, a homophobe or anything else. There are definately people that are aggressive towards gays but most Christians I know would simply say they believe simply having immoral relations is wrong and have nothing against the homosexual person. This book would be interesting to read to see how many cannot distinguish between the sin and the sinner.
Report Post »eternalwolf777
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:11amThe truth is that there are Christians and those that claim to be Christians. True followers of Christ do not abuse people for their sin, but they also do not compromise with it and excuse it. If people choose not to listen, we kick the dust from our heels and move on.
Report Post »osgeek
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:20pmExactly, I think LGBT community don’t like when we simply ignore then so they have to create some drama.
Report Post »SureYaDo
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:11amchristian? maybe. straight? sure buddy, sure. Hey, if hairy man-butt is what does it for you, more power to you, but don’t lie about it to sell books, lol @ people
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:28amYeah, I don’t know any straight guys that would be fine pretending to be gay for a year.
I know I couldn’t do it. I wouldn’t want to and any time a fine young lady walked by my cover would be blown.
Report Post »gosutag
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:18pm@DIMMUBORGIR:
Report Post »“I know I couldn’t do it. I wouldn’t want to and any time a fine young lady walked by my cover would be blown.”
So you have no self control? I think that’s a personal problem.
DimmuBorgir
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:41pm@GOSUTAG
lighten up
Report Post »SureYaDo
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:07amChristian?….maybe, Straight?….lol ooohhhhh kaaaaayyy, hey if you find a mans hairy but arousing more power too you but lets just be honest about it, lol @ people
Report Post »Nepenthe
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:07amGood for him, the treatment of some of the members of our society by the Christian community has been horrific. Incidents like this should never happen for any family that professes faith in Jesus:
“After an acquaintance came out of the closet, and was kicked out of her home and cut off from her family…”
This is non-Christ like and shows a complete lack of understanding of the character of Jesus or the New Testament.
Report Post »JustMeInAZ
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:35amI don’t believe anywhere does it say that his gay friends family were Christians. You may find this surprising, but some non-Chrietians do not like gay people.
Report Post »smasaoka
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:05amThe word of God says God did not make Adam and Steve, or Eve and Evelyn. It matters not what we want to believe, we will be judged in the end by His Word. AND asking innocently since they can’t procreate,and take on the opposite sex in their roles, how will this “group” continue but to seduce people into this perverted lifestyle, or to train those they adopt.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:09amWe are going to teach it in schools now. But you can’t say words like “God”, “Jesus” or “Bible.”
Report Post »Coolige
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:19amThe most logical answer would be test tube babies. Eventually it will be more efficient to farm the human race than to breed. Science will be under the allusion that it can create perfect human beings.
Report Post »I don‘t think it’s a stretch to think that there will be laws passed forbidding people to procreate for fear of creating imperfect human beings. If you want to raise a family the government will provide one for you.
Pontiac
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 11:30am“Science will be under the allusion that it can create perfect human beings.”
(allusion = casual reference. try illusion or delusion)
Religion is already trapped in the “delusion” that it can create perfect human beings.
Report Post »gosutag
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:22pm@SMASAOKA:
Report Post »So because God made the only two sexes that exist at the same time means that those of the same sex can’t have sex with each other? That’s a weird way to put it indeed.
Walkabout
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:31pmPontiac
Certainly Christianity does not promise you will be perfect in this world. Neither does Buddhism. Judaism does not promise you be perfect in this world either.
Pray tell what religion are you talking about.
Report Post »charles116
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:48pmYou guys need new material.
Report Post »God is an invention of man to explain what was unexplainable.
Pontiac
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:44am@Walkabout
Report Post »Oh sorry, I mean “force” humans to be perfect.
Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:56amMay all of the turbo-Christian bigots on The Blaze read this book.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:07amMay all you gay people read the Bible.
Report Post »eternalwolf777
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:08amAnd may all the turbo-gay anti-Christian bigots learn more about what true Christianity is about.
Report Post »john141714
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:11amLESBIAN PACKING HOLLOW POINTS,
Report Post »By the way love the name:) I agree there are Christians that are over the top. But I am a christian and do believe that it is a sin. But we are all sinners. I do also believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. Marriage is part of the church and the government should not be involved. If a gay couple want to get a civil union then fine. This does sound like a good book though.
mdeputy7
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:26amTo be fair, just because we disagree with it (believe that it is a sin), doesn’t mean that we are bigots. It truly is the exact same as any other sin…..I know I struggle with certain things, and when I don’t fight it, I fall into temptation. The only thing that Scripture-following Christians believe is that one must repent fully, which means turning from your sin…and while you may occasionally screw up, your life is about following God instead of that sin. So, if one is homosexual…and living that way…we know that that specific person is not repenting and turning their lives toward God. That doesn’t mean we love them any less at all.
Report Post »kipstiles
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:28amDear Lesbian Packing…, I’d rather be called a bigot / homophobe / hater for standing up for my beliefs in God’s Word and condemning the perversion known as homosexuality than having to answer for why I did nothing about it when Jesus asks me at my judgement. My question is why is it that if homosexuality is so “natural” and “normal”, why is it that so much is time and money is spent on trying to convince us so? You see, when man (or woman) tries to go against nature (or God), it is man who winds up looking foolish. The progressive community have done a good job in pushing this psychosis on us and giving it a political voice and protection, I won’t deny that; but there are still those who think and believe as I do, that will never give in to the idea that homosexuality is normal because it is not. It is unnatural and wrong, plain and simple. And more importantly, it is against God’s Holy Word; so, throw your insults, your labels, and your wrath if you must, but know that you cannot touch me. You see, I’ve read the book and I know how it ends. I’ll be praying that you do the same.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:05amFor me to accept homosexuality, would be like me accepting my alchoholism. I drank because it was the nature of me to drink and nobody could change me. Through the grace of God, I have been sober without being enslaved to 12 step programs that are just another form of addiction. God even changed my taste buds that alchohol tastes horrible to me. Can’t stand the crappy stuff. Can’t imagine why I drank that spew, it tastes horrible. All sins are outside the body except sexual sins are against the body. When a person engages in sex with another person, there is something in the spiritual rhelm that happens that a majority of people are so unaware and ignorant of. That is partly why other things in their lives seem to go wrong and bad things happen to them, they also become emmotionally and spiritually weak.
Report Post »I would rather remain politically incorrect and have the world system tell me that I am the horrible one for not accepting the agenda of this present world. Eternity is a very very long time.
FatManChew
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:41am@Lesbian: So if homosexuality is not a sin, in your opinion, then if your partner cheats on you should you have any reason to be angry? Is that not an act between two consenting adults?
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:24pm@ Ramon Preston:
I’ve read it. I laughed. I cried. I turned Atheist.
@ Eternal Wolf 777:
I thought that’s what I did by stipulating “turbo-Christians” as opposed to generic Christians.
@ John 141714:
I have but one issue to take with what you wrote. Marriage may be a part of the church, but it is not ONLY a part of the church. If it were, then cultures without churches would not have marriage or anything like it. Marriage is part of our shared culture. As such, Christians do not have a monopoly on it in concept or practice.
@ Kip Stiles:
Answer me this. If homosexuality is a sin that you so vehemently disagree with and refuse to participate in yourself, then why do you and yours spend so much time and money on trying to convince those who do participate in it that it’s wrong for them, just because it’s wrong for you?
@ Fat Man Chew:
Report Post »You’re conflating the physical act of sex, straight or gay, with a violation of intimacy. They’re two different things. If your wife cheated on you, but kept her affair hetero, would YOU have grounds to be angry? After all, better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore…
mountainmover101
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 3:22pmThe above video is just the tip of the iceburg
Report Post »StanO360
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 4:40pmSo does that make you a “Turbo-homosexual”? Or a Turbo-atheist?
Because it appears that Mr. Kurek had a poor understanding of Christianity before his “research” and even worse after.
Sin is sin, and as Christians it needs to be challenged in the church. Outside the Church, it should be expected. While all sin is separation from God, some have farther reaching effects in this life. Homosexuality is that way, it tears away at the core of society (drugs and alchohol are similar, as other sexual sins) and the whole of someones life.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:10pm@StanO360
Report Post »She’s not demanding you to be either homosexual or atheist or using government to push you into being either. That makes her a moderate in comparison to most Christians that want government to push religion and legislate what sexual preference is legal.