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‘Jesus Was a Muslim’: Religion Professor Makes Unbelievable Argument

Jesus Christ is pretty unquestionably the central figure of Christianity. His name is where the religion comes from, after all, and the story of Christ allowing himself to be killed by the local Roman government as penance for the sins of humanity is integral to the entire ethical system underlying Christian thought.

However, Robert F. Shedinger, a professor at Iowa’s Luther College, has a different argument. He thinks Jesus was actually…a Muslim. Yes, really. In fact, he wrote a book explaining all about it:

Religion Professor Robert Shedinger Claims Jesus Was a Muslim

Shedinger explained his argument this way:

Got that? According to Shedinger, Islam is a “social justice movement,” not a religion, and since Christ supposedly supported “social justice,” that makes him a Muslim. To quote him, “I came to the conclusion that [Islam] was a social justice movement and I think that’s who Jesus was in the first century so I conclude Jesus is more like a Muslim.”

Where do we begin with what’s wrong with this picture? The first and most obvious point would have to be that Christ, being born roughly 600 years before Islam even existed, is not capable of being a Muslim. To be sure, if you believe there are commonalities in values between Islam and Christianity (which scholars in both faiths do, in fact, believe), you could argue that Christ held some Islamic ideas. But to claim that he was a Muslim is to take it entirely too far.

Moreover, if we are talking about which religious founder actually got his ideas from the other, would it not be more accurate to say “Muhammad was a Christian.” After all, if Christ‘s teachings are virtually indistinguishable from Muhammad’s (which seems to be the main thesis of Shedinger’s argument), and Christ came first (which he unquestionably did), then clearly it’s Muhammad who ripped off Christ, not the other way around. Of course, a book titled “Was Muhammad a Christian” might get a sizably larger amount of backlash from some of Muhammad’s less…shall we say, “socially just” followers, but it also would have been more intellectually honest.

Finally, about that “social justice movement” description, we’d like to hear more of an explanation about how a religion that encourages female circumcision and conquest of any and all unbelievers is somehow tied to “social justice,” or, if it doesn’t support these things, why people who believe it does are wrong. We also wonder why a social justice movement would be based around a belief that there is no God but theirs and their founder is the only legitimate prophet. We expect to be waiting a long time regarding these points.

H/T CampusReform

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:25pm

    Uh, yeah – too bad for this Shedinger ding-a-ling (obviously an obama supporter) that this is simply is not true. This loser obviously has no knowledge of the life of Christ, the Bible or of ‘islam’, which was created solely for the purpose of battling/destroying Christianity, centuries after Jesus’ death.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:53pm

      I would imagine that the Islamic jesus is a Muslim..because the Muslims believe that their jesus was just a prophet who was less important than Mahamad..and so they think that jesus will come down and tell us that we were wrong to beleive in Jesus..Son of God.. In a way it is like the Mormon religion who also has a different gosphel than the one taught by Jesus..Son of God in the Bible..I understand that they believe that Jesus was just a man who became a god..and likewise they, also being men..will become gods of their own planet..just like Jesus..I also have been told by Mormons that they have the Mormon “End of Days” prophesy and the White Horse Prophesy..In which a leader will arise from among them..to lead the NWO..and that this leader will be able to give or withhold food..and that this leader will lead into the thousand year reign…or millenial kingdom..which will be a Mormon kingdom.. This has been supposedly planned since the time of Joseph Smith..their founder..And as told to me by the Mormons..if you want to learn about Mormons..go only to the Mormon site..Do not..I repeat..do not go anywhere else..Other people spew lies.. okay? okay!
      And if you want to learn about Obama..go only to Obama’s sites..okay?

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    • anomnomnommm
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:57pm

      @Tri-Ox

      How is Obama at all relevant here?

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    • teaisstronger
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:04pm

      The religion of peace, Islam did not begin till 300 AD.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:04pm

      Yep..it was created for the purpose raising a mighty army for the of battling Christianity..and for the killing of Jews and Protestant Christians.. and for the taking of Jerusalem for the Vatican City. In doing so..such a powerful army was raised and they wanted Eurpope also..But the Pope said no way and raised an army of his own..and the Crusades were waged for two thousand yrs.. in which millions of Protestants were murdered and millions of Bibles were burned to keep the truth from the Roman Catholics and the Muslims..
      http://www.remnantofgod.org/books/docs/how-the-vatican-created-islam.pdf
      Just last fall..the Vatican was in talks with Netanyahu telling him if he did not relinquish control of the holy sites in Jerusalem..that they would never see peace in the ME.
      http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150757.

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    • RLTW
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:07pm

      Anom

      Obama is completely relevant because he’s a messianic Muslim, self-professed, cult of personality but he’s still been shallow enough to fall into the trap.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:23pm

      @Teaisstronger – sorry, you’re off by 300 yrs. Mohammad died in AD 632 shortly after his religio-political system was off the ground and starting to terrorize the neighborhood.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:25pm

      @Ashes — I’m Protestant.

      Now, you do need to re-examine your Church History lessons. The Crusades were waged well before the Reformation by several centuries. You might be thinking of the Inquisition as the Roman Church’s way of dealing w/Jews and heretical Christians.

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    • mils
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:33pm

      so many statements of “truth”…and no proof… none…

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    • dealer@678
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:34pm

      The demons of islam are scared to death of Jesus because they remember that HE cast their souls into the swine

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    • corbecket
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:39pm

      Well, I wouldn’t say that Islam was solely aligned against Christianity. They were pretty egalitarian in bulldozing any culture/religion they came into contact with. The fact is, that they probably killed more Hindus than Christians in the course of expanding their empire. Since the Hindu people were, “not of the book”, they viewed them simply as animists and dealt with them quite ruthlessly. India remembers their treatment, even a thousand years after the fact. Were it not for the Muslims, there would be no Sikhs. The Indians owe the Sikhs a great debt in breaking the dominance of Islam in their country.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:43pm

      @Ashes — dates for the timeline

      1st Crusade – Pope Urban II calls on Christian knights to drive out the muslims who were killing and enslaving Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land in AD 1095. They ended w/the fall of Acre in AD 1291. For more info – http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/the-crusades.htm or the PIG (guide) to the Crusades by Spencer.

      Protestant Reformation – begins w/Fr Martin Luther in AD 1517. Wycliffe and Hus predate Luther by roughly a century.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:46pm

      Corbeckett is correct. The “Hindu Kush” mountains are so named for this is where the Hindus were extinguished by the muslims who came to dominate that part of Central Asia (now Afghanistan). They also tore thru Buddhists in the same region as the Hindus.

      Islam is an equal opportunity aggressor and terrorist ideology, strong on totalitarian governance.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:06pm

      @ELENA Thank you for pointing that out.. one mistake that I made was calling them Protestants when they were just called true Christians in the article..Would you mind reading the article..How the Vatican created Islam and give me your opinion.. It is by Remnant of God above.. I believe the “true Christians” it spoke of were just the Christ followers.. This man Alberto Rivera gave a talk at a church in my city..There were several attempts on his life and he was poisoned shortly after leaving here..Thank you Elena.. I always am encouraged to learn the truth..whatever that might be…

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:06pm

      @ASHESTOASHES

      Sorry, I can’t let your inaccuracies slip through without comment.

      Latter Day Saints absolutely believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the first born of the Father in the pre-mortal (spiritual) world. We are also God’s spirit children, thus Jesus is our Eldest Brother in that sense. He is also the only begotten Son of the Father on Earth, thus he became man.

      We believe that we can become like Him and inherit all that His Father has. We can move mountains, cast out devils, etc…if we have the faith of a mustard seed.

      This is all Biblical. I will spare the references, because I believe they are common beliefs amongst all Christians.

      The “white horse prophecy” which you speak about says something like: “When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the ‘Mormon’ Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it”. This is from Brigham Young, but Joseph Smith, Jr also said something to that effect.

      We believe in the Bible, both the Old & New Testaments. We also have the Book of Mormon, which is another testament that Jesus is the Christ.

      There is never a mention of a “NWO” unless you are referencing the time when Jesus returns to rule the world.

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    • docgreen
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:07pm

      I don’t think the man did his homework, since islam wasn’t born until 600 years after Christs death! Prior to that the people worshipped 360 idols that were housed at mecca. mahammad then decided to plagerize the Bible from stories he heard about the Bible! And to say Jesus believed in social justice? Are you kidding me? I guess if you can’t get around the Truth of the Bible and what it stands for, you have to somehow intertwine it into the Koran to get over the Truth. Doesn’t the Bible tell us not to change anything in the Bible? Another person doing this is rick warren, trying to put islam and Christianity together! People the Bible predicted it and now its here. Do you see how they delute what the Bible Stands for and what it means? This is what they do to all other religions! Look at India and what they did to the Statues and other things they worshiped! They islam/muslims wipe away anything thats not islamic/muslim. They’re doing it even in the Temple Mount. They put in a mosque and anything that was Jewish was taken out and dumped. Its like their washing away anything Jewish or religious from everything, except islam!

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:27pm

      “Christ allowing himself to be killed by the local Roman government.. .”

      This is the Jewish myth of reconstructionism. The Romans did not seek out Christ, Caiaphas did. Caiaphas sent his men to get Christ. Pilate did not. Christ was not taken back to the Romans when Caiaphas’ men captured Christ. He went directly to Caiaphas, not Pilate. Caiaphas condemned Christ to death, the Roman’s washed their hands of this barbaric act.

      Like Hitler, Caiaphas could not carry out his act. He forced others to do it for him. The New Testament is very clear that the Jews killed Christ. If Caiaphas is innocent of killing Christ, then Hitler must also be innocent of killing Jews. Neither committed the act, but both were responsible for the act.

      I’m tired of the Jewish slight of hand and their manipulation of history, even when it is so obvious and provable.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:29pm

      “The first and most obvious point would have to be that Christ, being born roughly 600 years before Islam even existed… .”

      Christ was born 300-500 years before the religion called Judaism existed. Look up the Talmuds and the founding of Judaism.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:30pm

      @Ashes — As a teacher of the Word and historian, I am happy to share what I know w/others.

      The Vatican did not create islam; Mohammad and his jinn (desert demon) did. At the time, the Vatican was only a few centuries old and in Arabia, the Patriarchal seat in Constantinople would have exerted more sway.

      The Vatican ran astray later on — selling indulgences etc. The big issue of the day was still the ever simmering question of monophysites vs orthodoxy in terms of Who Jesus is. Monophysites say that Jesus’ God-ness outweighs His humanness while orthodoxy says Jesus is uniquely and indivisibly God and Human. It’s something of a “different take” on a gnostic heresy that said Jesus only appeared to be human but was all God.

      The Vatican was too busy with theological matters in the West as well as invaders fm the north and east to worry w/what a bunch of Arab rug merchants were up to.

      http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm gives you a list of the Roman‘s Church’s popes and their “issues.”

      No, islam is straight fm the devil – Mohammad said while he was in a cave meditating that the angel Gabriel (Jibril) came to him and told him to recite. Remember that St Paul warned us not to listen to angels telling of different Gospels than the one he was preaching! This was prophetic. Jibril was none other than a demon (jinn) and most likely Lucifer himself. Lucifer is an angel, albeit fallen. (cont)

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:31pm

      @BROTHER ED.. Okay Brother Ed Thank you.. but I do understand that your elder men who are worthy will get their own planet and be gods of that planet..Right?

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:33pm

      @Ashes (cont) – Mohammad tht he was losing his mind. He went to his wife Khadija and told her his concerns. Rather than be married to a madman, she assured him that he was not mad but a prophet. She had a relative who was Christian. This is likely where Mohammad got some of his Christian stories abt Jesus from.

      Hope that helps.

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    • Leopold
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:36pm

      @ ANOM
      How is Obama related to this?
      ……………………………………………..

      Because Obama brings out ALL the cooks.

      Just look around.

      From OWSers to idiot teachers having kids sing songs about our glorious leader to all the fanatical atheists. Throw the gays into it and follow the trail.

      It all has a connection to Obama. He is the leader of this country. And look what is happening every where.

      He is like a malignant tumor that is spreading throughout America.

      I have such contempt for this man and what he is doing.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:38pm

      @ Jerk — I am responsible for Jesus’ crucifixion. I sinned. I did it. For me, He willingly died upon a cross of shame. He was laid in the tomb on my account. On the third day, He was raised by the Power of God so that I could live again and be free.

      They were called Jews in the Persian period, too. The Romans called them Jews. Prior to the Babylonian captivity they were either Hebrews or Israelites. They became Jews in captivity.

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    • mils
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:51pm

      AND THERE WAS A TIME THAT Christianity was into “bulldozing” all other religions, and killing the “ ”non believers.” a little thing called the crusades….then there was the inquisition..yeah it was also a christian thing via the catholic church.
      Islam/muslims appears to be a religion of hatred, killing, degrading women, misusing children…
      So do we actually call it a “religion”?

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:58pm

      @ASHESTOASHES

      I guess that would be the short version of a complicated doctrine.

      As I said, we believe that we can become like Him. We are His children. What blessings He decides to give us are up to Him.

      The story of the talents says in Matt 25:25 says: “…Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make the ruler over many things…”

      The question is: ruler of what? Are we going to sit on clouds and sing praises to Him for eternities (a very long, long time), or is there more to it?

      Meanwhile, we just try to do our best to follow the commandments, serve others and love God with all our hearts, might and mind; let the blessings fall where they may.

      Again, your short answer is fine, but it is not a guarantee, just a possibility, and it really cuts out a lot of interim steps.

      mormon.org is a good place to go, but it is down for maintenance right now.

      I’ve always enjoyed your posts and do not want this to become a point of contention between us.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 12:03am

      @ELENA I always enjoy reading other’s views..I appreciate your kindness..Thank you..

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 12:06am

      @Ashes — you are most welcome. Have a blessed rest of the week :-D

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 12:12am

      @BROTHER ED Thank you Brother Ed.. I appreciate your attention to detail..But I want to ask you of Romney..If the Mormons are bent on upholding the Constitution..then why has Brother Mitt supported the Patriot Act..NDAA..SOPA ..gun control..and bigger government? I saw during one of his debates where he was like Ron Paul in that he didn’t want to stay in the wars..but he got flooded with opposition..and so I understand that..but those other things go directly against our Constitution.. That disturbs me greatly..plus he is funded by the banks just likd Obama..That is also disturbing..No offense to you Brother Ed..I know that your heart is in the right place..But I am perplexed by Brother Mitt’s flip flopping and his financiers and his seeming willingness to take away our Constitutional rights.. And it also disturbs me that I found that in the early 19th century, that both the Mormons and the JWs went to and received funding from the Rothschilds to keep their organizations going.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 12:39am

      @ASHESTOASHES

      Maybe Romney isn’t the one to save it ;)

      As for the Rothchild’s, I know nothing about that. I know the church was in financial troubles in the early 1900′s and there was a big emphasis on tithing to alleviate it, but I don’t know the details. The only thing I can say is, if you borrow money from someone and pay it back are you still beholden to them?

      I am not up on my NWO info. I believe it to be a real problem, but some conspiracies are too big for me to get my arms around. I stick with good vs evil and try to encourage the one and oppose the other.

      I think we get sucked into that because Joseph Smith was a mason, we are a huge land owner and are shrouded in things that most people find mysterious. I know us plebes at the bottom don’t think about the church bring involved. Our leaders are ordinary men, no succession due to heredity. No voting for leaders. Just a bunch of people trying to do good.

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 12:39am

      Well gee why don’t we just ask Jesus? Hey Jesus are you a Muslim? Hey Jesus do you have to climb out of a well? Oh I can answer that one because Jesus said he is the vine and the Apostles are the branches. Peter is the rock at the bottom of the vine and so I guess that means that Peter was in the well, and not Jesus. Furthermore for them to say that Jesus “Was” “Was” a Muslim (as if he doesn’t still live on) tells me they don’t understand Jesus at all.

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    • Guitarcarl
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 12:50am

      ASHESTOASHES if you’re as wrong about Muslims as you are about Mormon belief, you don’t have anything right. Everything you said about Mormon belief is bunk!

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 1:12am

      @Guitarcarl – how abt addressing the specifics w/which you disagree rather than just blanket Ashes thread?

      What did Ashes say incorrect abt islam and abt mormons that went unaddressed earlier?

      I would hope these discussions could produce something useful, correct an historical inaccuracy, etc.

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    • grudgywoof
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 6:19am

      You can’t fix stupid.

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    • Yankeethinker
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 7:08am

      @TEAISSTRONGER …. Actually, Islam wasn’t founded until around 622 AD.

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    • ComradeAdam
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 7:44am

      But thats exactly the point, they make a claim with no factual basis, then add in a few lies and repeat it till people believe it. How do you think something like evolution, where life comes from rocks that have been rained on for millions of years, came from? How do people believe that socialism and communism could be good and capitalism bad? There goal is to destroy the christian belliefs and cast doubt on the story we all know, do you think something like the truth will get in the way?

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 7:47am

      @ ELENA…..Just a small point. While I understand your sentiment and I surely don’t disagree that my sin was the instigator of the death of Jesus. Ultimately the responsibility is that of God’s/Jesus. Read Is 53. It says it was God’s good pleasure (not sadistic, just pleased to accomplish his purpose of redemption) to crush him and cause him to suffer to redeem his people and later Jesus said no one takes my life, rather I give it freely. Truly, it has been his plan all along hence the title, “the lamb slain before the foundation of the world”. God could have, in his justice, never died and pronounced sentence as he did on the fallen angels. However, to display is mercy and love he chose to die to accomplish his plan of redemption. So the ultimate responsibilty belongs to him, hence the scripture that salvation belongs to the Lord. I do understand what you meant though…thank you…

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 7:54am

      @COMRADEADAM….I seem to remember Paul Harvey giving an astoundingly prophetic word on this one day on his radio show…..This was quite insightful.

      http://orthodoxnet.com/blog/2012/03/warning-to-america-if-i-were-the-devil-paul-harveys-prophetic-words/

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    • poorrichard09
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 8:19am

      No, Jesus was not a muslim, idiot!
      And islam is a totalitarian political/government system cleverly wrapped in the guise of a religion. That’s why the socialists/commies find it easy to make common cause with them.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 8:19am

      @Elena2010: Indeed. We’re all responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. Both believers and non-believers.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 9:36am

      @GUITARCARL What I said about the Mormons came from a reformed Mormon..Actually..I just said it in a little different terms than what Brother Ed said.. Brother Ed Confirmed what I said except for that they do believe that Jesus is the Son of God from first to everlasting..which that is truth..The other stuff..well I prefer to stick with the gosphel from the Bible only..I would never go with any additional stuff added by Joseph Smith..Jesus is the only confirmer that I need and I believe what He and his Apostles.said.. As for what I said about the Muslims..tell me anything false that you are 100% sure of.. The story I relayed was from an ex-Jesuit Preist..who became Christianized..and he was poisoned.. The original Catholic Church was the Universal Church as I understand..it was not the Roman Catholic..Because we did not live in that time..none of us can be 100% sure of what really happened..But I do know that what that ex-Jesusut Priest said has come back around..Because the Vatican was in talks with Netanyahu about gaining control of the Holy sites in Jerusalem..History tends to repeat itself..don’t you agree? If you read that article..You would see that when the Muslims had overtaken Portugal..they negotiated with St Francis of Sissi to let each others mosques and churches/schools reside in each others countries without fear of attack..Obama attended St Francis of Sissis and the strict madrassa of his choice in Indonesia.

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    • AMENDMENT
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 10:15am

      If Jesus was a muslim, then he would of been stoned, hung and then beheaded for the things he taught and did in his life… islam wasn’t even around in his time, closest thing to an islamic religion was the worshipers of the pagan moon god, who muhammad’s father worshiped.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 10:41am

      anomnomnommm
      How is Obama relevant?

      Sherdinger is an Obama voter like tri-ox said. How do I know? He speaks the language of surrender. QED

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 12:25pm

      @ASHESTOASHES

      I have no idea what GUITARGIRL was talking about, either.

      I checked her last 10 posts, they are varied on subject matter. She seems to be a hard working, pickup driving construction worker, which I admire, but nothing really religious in nature.

      I have no problem discussing doctrine with anyone, especially those who don’t condemn me to hell for my beliefs. We can disagree and still be friends.

      We are a church with some un-mainstream beliefs, I get that.

      I assure you that we are simple people, who try to live the commandments of Christ. We care for our families, our neighbors and our country. We respect the right for everyone to worship who, what, when, and where they please; we only ask for the same privilege. We love the Savior and believe that it is only through His grace that we are saved.

      See you around the Blaze.

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    • Pounding_hammer
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 2:58pm

      @ BROTHER_ED

      Just wanted to comment that I appreciate being able to read some thoughtful comments once and a while. They helped me, I’ll let you know, and hopefully others as well.

      It’s just nice to see people showing a little more respect on here, and to start to understand what someone thinks, instead of painting a whole group with a misunderstanding brush.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 4:07pm

      @POUNDING_HAMMER

      I apprectaite that.

      I believe the right to free speech carries with it a corresponding responsibility to let others speak without fear.

      Oftentimes, because of anonymity or mob mentality we gang up on those whose thoughts aren’t the same as ours. This can curtail the free flow of ideas and stifle growth.

      There are many on here that can exchange thoughts without resorting to personal attacks or belittling.

      I love the Norman Rockwell painting depicting this ideal. A humble man, standing in a town hall meeting voicing his opinion while others give him the courtesy by listening.

      It’s ok to disagree, I think it’s even healthy. The important thing is to be respectful.

      Enjoy the day!

      And thanks, again.

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    • BenzinVasser
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 5:14pm

      The Muslim religion didn’t even exist then….WTH!

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    • Cesium
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 6:21pm

      no one knows exactly what happened remotely back then. Jesus’s story is similar to a number of other s. There is still a chance it is all “big fish” including the witness’s . It’s amazing how after the invention of sound and video recording “miracles” that defy physics have abruptly ceased to exist.

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    • mortusbard
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 6:38pm

      Ok at times this has been an interesting dicussion and an obnoxious one. I don’t claim to be a scholar but I do have some logical facts that whether you aggree with or not if you look at with honesty you may see a point here.

      I am not argueing before against this man’s opinions that is for him to do but ladies and gentleman when we have a dicussion we have to look at the facts from all angles.

      Fact 1. Would be order of religious precedence. Polythiesm/Paganism,Judiasm,Christianty,Islam.

      Fact 1.5 UNDISPUTED according to the relevant religions both Christianity and Islam draw thier roots from Judiasm ( The Covenant of Abraham/Ibrihim)

      Fact 2.0 Both Religion’s aggree to the Existence if not the divinity of Christ.

      Fact 3.0 Religion is a social order by it’s very nature regardless of the religion that we are talking about.

      Opinion 1 If you have not studied something then you are welcome to disagree with the conclusion but don’t post hateful.hurtful/or inflammatory rhetoric about something that you don’t know. It truly proves that if you are not then at least you have the propensisty for ignorence.

      Opinion 2 People write books all the time, they want to make money and start discussions. That is thier 1st Ammendment right. As long as we don’t have to buy it or teach it against our will. I will always supports thier right even if i disagree with thier context/content/ and or conclusions.

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    • stillbombshelterbob
      Posted on July 13, 2012 at 12:30pm

      This is what happens when you let an evil man define righteousness.

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    • samsamsam11
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:03pm

      alah says
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

      And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, (16) And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. (17) She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God-fearing. (18) He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. (19) She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste? (20) He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a Revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained. (21) And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place. (22) And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten! (23) Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee, (24) And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee. (25) So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal. (26) Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing. (27) O si

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  • dawg71
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:25pm

    Besides the obvious points that have already been mentioned by the article and other folks on this page, the most claringly obvious point is that more injustice has been done and continues to be done by the practitionars of Islam then any other religion in history, including Christianity.

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    • anomnomnommm
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:59pm

      Obama did it.

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    • oneshiner
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 10:47am

      Hold on guys, while I go put my boots on; it’s getting too deep in the corral.

      In the beginning was the WORD, and the Word was with GOD and the WORD was God.
      You don’t need to know anything else to know what the heart believes, from the Bible.

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  • JarheadX
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:24pm

    Now I’ve heard it all… Islam is a social justice movement. 1.3 billion people, huge taxable base, lots of resources. Let them deal with Syria.

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  • Wildape
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:23pm

    Anyone who has a degree from this college should have it voided. Just kiddin’—sorta. Just imagine what a person has to do in order to pass this class. Liberals get a twofer. One for a religion corse and the other for how to rewrite history. It isn’t like he was a thousand years off, only a couple centuries.

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  • MAMMY_NUNN
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:22pm

    Jesus I met him at the psychiatric hospital once and then again in Mexico.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:27pm

      Get out of the tequila bottle, friend, before it’s too late!

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  • Depressed_American
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:20pm

    Jesus was decended from King David’s line, a JEW!!! This professor needs to go back to college; he apparently wasted his money on the current degree he holds. Just goes to show, you can have all the education in the world and STILL BE AN IDIOT!!!

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    • Nervous Investor
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:33pm

      Jesus was crucified 600 years before the goat herder Mohammed came along. Mohammed borrowed a lot of what became the Bible and Jewish history and mixed it with his own brand of craziness in creating his Koran – So I suppose that that makes Muslims a sect of Christianity …. except they don’t acknowledge that Jesus was the Son of God but “merely” as a Prophet.

      So Islam is a Social Justice Movement according to this learned idiot – like okaying slavery for instance …..

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:34pm

      This is my third attempt at a response to this Professors unusual idea. Words fail me, so i’ll just say this “Professor” is a FOOL .There short and sweet

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:34pm

      @ Nervous — Actually Mohammad was a caravan driver and made himself and Khadija very wealthy fm the trade.

      His retelling of the Biblical stories would indicate he got them second or third hand. Since he was illiterate himself, he would not have ever possessed a Bible fm which to read. This is why when you encounter Bible stories in the Koran they sound so mish-mashed, like the old cartoons “Fractured Fairy Tales.”

      There were Christians in Arabia, but most were of other than orthodox beliefs. By the era of Mohammad, if you were a heretic, you were pretty well forced to leave for non-Christian (Byzantium) lands like the Hejaz of Arabia or deep into the Parthian (Persians) lands. So his Christian sources were weak and compromised. Jews, orthodox in faith and practice, were in the region and ran several oasis towns, like Yathrib. This is why Mohammad had the Jews slaughtered on the pretext that they were treasonous. He renamed Yathrib, calling it al Media (city of the prophet) after himself.

      Furthermore, he banned Jews and Christians fm the Hejaz while later caliphs banned them across the Arabian peninsula.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 8:32am

      @ ELENA….Good and accurate summary of the initial history of Mohhamed, funny no one seems to mention that when he told his family of his visions and they denounce them/him that he eventually had them all killed. How’s that for proselytizing?

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  • Wolfgang the Gray
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:16pm

    Great, the perfect companion book to join in the fun at the next Quran burning.

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  • sheik yermami
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:15pm

    Islam, the religion of the professors.

    Is he a Cherokee too? Did his momma have high cheekbones?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 10:19am

      Thx, I needed a laugh after the leftist Sherdinger spewed.

      His reasoning is so lame I just know how he votes. The only flag he flies is the white one.

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  • blazingaway
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:15pm

    It’s logical IOWA stands for idiots out walking around … He’s just another idiot out walking around in a state that is increasingly full of them and it … What a dumb ass. This pathetic excuse for a phd is a complete and total moron.

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    • RetiredAmericanNavyTaxpayer
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:47pm

      By the way, PhD often equals Piled high and Deep.

      What was that phrase Paul used in Romans “Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth”.

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    • TRK
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:52pm

      @Blazing Away – Hold on there guy! Most of us from Iowa are really not crazy. There are a few loons around the Universities but I doubt many of them are even from around here. And by the way Jesus was a Jew.

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  • SamIamTwo
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:14pm

    Now what are the two subjects we were taught many moons ago to avoid…o yeah…it’s religion and politics. LMAO…

    I think we have been sucked into the collective for transparency sake…to see who we are and what we think.

    I think the intraweb has an evil side to it. JIMHO

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    • samsamsam11
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:01pm

      And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, (16) And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. (17) She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God-fearing. (18) He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. (19) She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste? (20) He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a Revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained. (21) And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place. (22) And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten! (23) Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee, (24) And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee. (25) So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal. (26) Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing. (27) O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:12pm

    Jesus was a Jew.

    Period.

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    • txjb
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:19pm

      No not period , He was all God and all human Jew.

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    • single stack
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:22pm

      He still is.
      So are Christians.
      Muslims have been deceived by Satan.

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    • txjb
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:26pm

      Single , what are you saying , so are Christians ? unless you are a converted Jew Christian but gentiles are not Jew . Are you saying gentile Christians are Jew ?

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:49pm

      Yes — Christians fm gentile backgrounds are Jews. We are grafted into Abraham’s line. It’s time we started acting more like Abraham than our gentile roots, too. We are the 13th Tribe of Jacob’s seed.

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    • txjb
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:50pm

      Ellen , someone is teaching you false doctrine . Abraham was a gentile that God chose to start the begining of His covenant people , Israelites . Later much later gentiles the wild olive branch,was grafted in . Earth has only two races of people ,Jew & gentile .

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 12:10am

      @TX — that is what I said. We are grafted into Abraham thru Jesus. This makes us completed Jews. We change status fm Lo-Ami (not my people) to God’s people.

      Remember what Paul says in Galatians — in Christ there is no Jew or gentile (Greek)…

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    • single stack
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 11:28am

      TXJB,
      Christians are Jews who believe that Jesus of Nazareth fulfilled the messianic prophecies of the Old Testament.
      The word Christian means “follower of the Christ”, Christ meaning Messiah – the Jewish messiah of the Old Testament.

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    • bluegrandma52
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 4:14pm

      I think some people are confusing Hebrew with Jew. Hebrew refers to the entire Israelite nation; it’s a transliteration of the Semitic “apiru” or foreigner. Abraham was a foreigner in Canaan, and his descendants from Issac were called Hebrews. Jews refers specifically to the tribe of Judah, one of Jacob’s 12 sons. When the Hebrews divided the kingdom into 2 groups, the northern kingdom was called Israel, because 10 of the tribes (and half of the tribe of Benjamin) lived there. The southern kingdom was called Judah (the other half of Benjamin got no billing at all.) The Jews are from the tribe of Judah primarily. The northern kingdom was dispersed over time by the Persians and Assyrians, being sent to many different places. The Jews in the southern kingdom went primarily to Babylon, and then returned to their lands during the reign of Cyrus.
      When gentiles are “grafted in” or adopted into the household of Abraham, they are not necessarily Jews. They can be from any of the other tribes. Abraham was not a Jew, but many of his descendants are. In the LDS church, we believe that the descendants of the other “lost” tribes are coming forth, and are being identified by their ancestral tribe. Abraham was promised that his seed would be as numerous as the sands of the seashore. That is starting to be fulfilled.

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  • Gypsy123
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:12pm

    Now that is a stretch.

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  • paperpushermj
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:11pm

    A benefit of being a Leftist is Reality is what ever you want it to be.

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  • Deckle
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:10pm

    And this guy is allowed to teach our kids. The Muslims want to brainwash your children. Are you going to let them get away with this?

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  • barber2
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:10pm

    Be sure to stay tuned for Mr. Shedinger’s next book ” Was Richard the Lion Hearted An American ?”

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    • zagros
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:30pm

      No, actually I have it on good authority that the book will be “Are Muslims More Catholic Than the Pope?”

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  • historyguy48
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:10pm

    Comrade how very interesting! Another over educated fool that is teaching your children!
    Jesus was born and died hundreds of years before Islam was even born. However, Jesus was a Jew, and he was probably also a rabbi of the Essene Sect.
    Like it or not, that is the way it was!
    Perhaps Jesus was the first Jewish, Christian, Muslim! That would surely make it hard for radical muslims to hate Jews now wouldn’t it?
    This person redifines the word “idiot”. And he teaches your kids!

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:53pm

      Probably not Essene. He was accused of being a party animal by the religious authorities of His day. More than likely, John the Baptist was Essene, while Jesus was a Pharisee who loved His Father more than He loved the Rules. He may also have been unaligned. We do know fm His Words and Works, He was not a Sadducee or Zealot.

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  • Republic_of_Texas
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:09pm

    Bullpucky!

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  • jdog777
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:09pm

    Ladies and Gents…. the quality of higher education is exposed here.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:09pm

    Shedinger… is Irrational and Insane! What are the requirements to teach in Iowa?

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:07pm

    Shedinger is a complete fool.

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  • txjb
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:07pm

    Jesus warned his deciples this would happen .But there is others before this cook , J.W.s , mormans,todays catholics,opra ,islam , democrats and the list goes on .

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    • jdog777
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:10pm

      Morman??? fail

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    • YellowFin
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:20pm

      TXJB,

      Can you explain your comment with some details? Or are you just making a stupid comment?

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:24pm

      So only you and your kind worship the only true God? Got it

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    • txjb
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:38pm

      Paper , me and my kind are Christians . We believe with faith there is one true God . He is also three persons , since the cross we refer to Him as the Father, Son & Holy Spirit . Mormans do not accept the notion that God is the beginning and the end . Mormans believe he was born ,married and all that is not in the holy bible , that came about in the mid 1800 a.d. Google up these cults and read on them . Also these cults do not accept Jesus as the son of God , but He is and also God .

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    • Ducky 1
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:52pm

      Some do not understand what you say.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:12pm

      @TXJB

      I have never heard any Latter Day Saint say that Jesus was married.

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    • txjb
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:56pm

      Father God married , I was not referring to Jesus .

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 12:24am

      @TXJB

      Gotcha.

      It is possible that God has a wife – He does have children. That being said, we know nothing about it. Speculation and assumption at this point as nothing has been revealed.

      We do have a hymn that references that, and I’m sure there are plenty of early Saints that had an opinion on the matter, but we don’t teach it.

      One theory is that She is too sacred and we are too profane to handle that lnowledge, but again, we don’t know for sure.

      mormon.org may have some info on it.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 12:37am

      This is where Mormon theology and orthodox Christian theology part company. Nowhere in Scripture does it indicate that God married. In fact, this facet of theology is polytheistic, dating back to Sumer and other Mesopotamian religious systems.

      God is so far beyond gender that He neither marries nor procreates in the ways of animal life, incl human. Jesus tells us in the Gospels that God is Spirit — not body, but spirit and desires us to worship Him in like manner.

      Humans cannot conceive of a Being that is beyond gender, so He allows us to label Him a “he.” He addresses us as His children – an over/under relationship, but relationship, nonetheless.

      The Christ is the Eternal God the Son who takes on human flesh in time and place in the person of Jesus. Jesus relates to us as brother, but is fully Who God is at the same time.

      The Holy Spirit is God Eternal as well, yet relates to us in other ways than Father and Son.

      Scripture and your Book of Mormon do NOT indicate that God was once a man or that God has ever been trapped in time as we are. Time is part of His creation as are we.

      It is the nature of the Godhead that puts LDS outside orthodox Christian theology. Are some Mormons saved? Certainly, just as some Baptists and Lutherans and Catholics are saved. Do those who hold to this curious take on the Godhead? Doubtful since they are not related to the God of the Bible, but are relating to some other foreign god.

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    • MrNairb
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 8:00am

      Mormons? They testify for Jesus as well as anyone. I love it when the young guys on mission come up to my house. I take every opportunity I can to talk with them. They love God, the Bible, and Jesus: they go out of their way to talk about it and when I disagree with something, we talk about it and embrace where we can come together. Most importantly the Mormons are on the team of Love and Truth, not on the team of Hate and Lies.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 11:01am

      @ELENA2010

      You are right that our belief in the nature of the Godhead is one of the distinguishing features of our faith.

      We believe we are created in His image.

      We believe that Moses saw the finger of God.

      We believe that God the Father & Jesus the Son appeared to Joseph Smith, Jr as two distinct beings.

      We believe that as His children, we can become like Him, which is His desire.

      We believe that when the Bible says we are His children and He is our Father, that is literal.

      We believe that when Jesus prayed His Father, He was not praying to Himself.

      We believe that when Jesus was baptized and there ‘came a voice from heaven saying, ‘this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased”, that Jesus was not a ventriloquist.

      We believe in revelation; that God reveals His plan to His children through prophets, as He always has. We believe that much has been revealed and that more will be revealed as we are capable of learning it.

      We believe that Jesus is the only name whereby man can be saved. If a person did not have the opportunity to hear the Gospel in this life, they will have the opportunity on the other side. Jesus went to visit those who were ‘disobedient in the days of Noah’ while in the tomb. Paul speaks of baptism for the dead.

      You say this is not based on Biblical teachings, yet I cannot find the Trinity in the Bible. The book of John is very deep and poetic and is subject to misinterpretation. We may be wrong, but that is

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 1:13pm

      @TXJB.
      It never fails to amaze me how some within the Christian Community think off themselves as the gate keeper when it comes to who they think is or is not a fellow Christian.

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  • herculesmom
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:06pm

    Another kook teaching our childern!

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    • Welcome Black Carter
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 9:46am

      Before you know it they will be claiming they follow the same God as the Christians… oh , wait…

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  • FSM_47
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:04pm

    So someone is paying this guy a salary to teach kids?

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    • zagros
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:21pm

      Yes, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Maybe he is right about Jesus then if the church is sanctioning it (tongue is firmly in cheek as I write this).

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  • godhatesacoward
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:04pm

    Holy smokes!

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    • mattmo79
      Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:13pm

      Yeah, he’s definitely growing something other than corn in Iowa!

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    • Welcome Black Carter
      Posted on July 12, 2012 at 9:41am

      Only a follower of the delusional psychotic pedophile would try to label “The King of the Jews” as a fellow muslim. Muhamad sitting at the right hand of satan, is even shaking his head and laughing…

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  • PATTY HENRY
    Posted on July 11, 2012 at 9:03pm

    YOU FREAKS are really pushing it aren’t you. YOU sinful, ungrateful, sleaze-bags. You are the sorriest people I’ve ever heard of. Tell you what…wait a couple of years and YOU’LL KNOW FIRST HAND who
    JESUS is.

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