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Jesus Who? Christian Cross Banned from Bethlehem Souvenir Shops

Two-thousand years after Jesus Christ was born in the town of Bethlehem, the Christian cross has reportedly been banned from souvenir shops as tourists and pilgrims pour into the Holy Land for the Christmas season.

According to AsiaNews, textile shops in Jerusalem and Hebron have begun to print and sell tee-shirts “depicting the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem without the cross.”  The cross has also been removed from tee-shirts of local football teams “because of the growth of Islamic fundamentalism in the Palestinian territories.”

Interviewed by AsiaNews, Samir Qumsieh, journalist and director of the Catholic television station Al-Mahed Nativity TV in Bethlehem, said: “I want to launch a campaign to urge people not to buy these products – he says – because the removal of the cross is an intimidation against Christians, it is like saying that Jesus was never crucified. “

Like every year, thousands including authorities, faithful and tourists from all over the world crowd, the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem for midnight mass on the night of 24 December. It will be celebrated by the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem and will be attended by the highest offices of the Palestinian Authority.

Qumsieh says that the population is living these days with joy, but the situation for Christians is still dramatic. According to the journalist, the dialogue of recent years between Muslims, Christians and Jews has not changed the situation.

“In the Holy Land – said Qumsieh – the emigration of Christians is growing, even if the authorities refuse to give precise numbers. Every day there are people who flee to other countries. As Christians, we live in a constant feeling of fear and uncertainty, and if you live in constant tension and pessimism you can not plan anything.

According to the journalist, “people leave because there is no work and movement is restricted under Israeli control.” Other factors are the internal problems of Palestine, such as the clash between Hamas and Fatah, which has repercussions on the economic situation. Qumsieh points out that from 2002 to 2010 the Christian population of Bethlehem has dropped from over 18 thousand to 11 thousand people. In Gaza, after Hamas came to power in 2006, Christians have fallen by about 3,200 units, from 5 thousand to less than 1800 in 2010. Only 15,400 Christians (2% of the population) live in Jerusalem, as reported in a study by the Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies. They are 50% less than the 31 thousand registered residents in 1948, when Christians accounted for 20% of the population of the city.

The reporter says that if this exodus continues there will be no more Catholics in the Holy Land and that one day the Church of the Nativity could be turned into a museum. “If there are no more Christians in the Holy Land – he says – then there will no longer be Christians anywhere.”

Meanwhile, as religious worshipers descend on the Holy Land for Christmas celebrations, the Israeli military has reportedly ordered troops deployed to the Palestinian territories to facilitate safe passage for Christian pilgrims.

Comments (151)

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  • Average_JoeMN
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 9:32pm

    Muhammed was born on April Fool’s Day along with all his cult disciples.

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  • southernloyalty
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 9:23pm

    I’m so sick of semites, both Muslim Arabs and Israeli Jews. Both hate Christians, both are suicidally religous, both want to take over the world. Why don’t all the christians get out of the holy land and let them all do the world a favor and destroy each other.

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    • Mary M. Tebbe
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 10:04pm

      southernloyalty: You say that you are sick of semites. You mention Muslim Arabs and Israeli Jews. The Arabs are made up of Saudi Arabians, which are indeed Shemitic/Semitics because they are sons of Abraham through Hagar and Ishmael. But other Muslim peoples of the world are mostly made up of Hamitic races. Africans are Hamites, Iraqis are Hamites, Palestinians are ancient Philistines which are also Hamitic peoples from Egypt and the island of Crete; etc. Not all Arabs are of Shemitic/Semitic origin.
      The Israelis of Modern Day Israel are Shemites/Semites, and are the children of Abraham and Sarah, and they are called Jews which is defined to mean, descendants of Judah the son of Jacob. However, there are many other tribes of Israel around the world that are no longer counted among the Israelites of Modern Day Israel.

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    • komponist-ZAH
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 12:06am

      Since when are Jews “suicidally religious”?

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    • Buttercup
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 3:55pm

      Not to burst your bubble, but Jesus was a Jew. So were Mary and Joseph, and all the Apostles. Jesus was born, lived, and died a Jew. Jesus was NOT a Christian. The word Christian means “Christ-follower” and was first used in Antioch many years after Christ died. And it was not a compliment, either. Remember, Paul (Saul) was persecuting those early Christians before his own conversion. Those who came after him and followed his “Way” were known as Christians. Jesus came for everyone, Jew and Gentile alike. Some just chose not to follow him.

      Merry CHRISTmas!

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  • Cherished Emblems
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 9:07pm

    Check out our Jesus Christ Medallion! A perfect reminder to carry in your pocket or display on your night stand. Christmas special…FREE shipping. Merry Christmas!

    http://www.cherishedemblems.com/

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  • Godzillalips
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 9:00pm

    you cannot undo history; Christ came, Christ died, Christ rose again. It is not the past we twell on but the day Christ comes back and then every knee will bow and every tonque will proclaim “Jesus is Lord” amen and Merry Christmas to all

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  • Sjah
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:45pm

    going back that far as to see when the feat of tabernacles occurred puts Jesus birth around march or april

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  • MissCherryJones
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:40pm

    If you can’t sell a cross (or do they mean crucifix/corpus?) in Bethlehem, where CAN you sell it? The more people pander to Islam, the faster this world will be dominated by Muslims.
    To those who keep bringing up that Jesus was born in Sept (or whenever): what the hell does that have to do with the story? We all know -or should- that the real birth date of the Christ is up for debate, that early Christians chose Dec 25 for the Winter Solstice, and also adapted many pagan customs. While nice traditions, they are secondary to keeping Jesus in the heart first and foremost.

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    • MissCherryJones
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:52pm

      I meant they chose Dec 25th to counter the pagan’s Winter Solstice celebrations

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    • Mary M. Tebbe
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 9:46pm

      misscherryjones: What most people don’t realize is that the date December 25th belonged to the birthday of Mithras, a false god that the Romans worshiped. The Romans gave this date for the birthday of Jesus Christ when they usurped the Christian faith and mixed it with their pagan practices. If one studies ancient history, that has not been distorted, they would find that the Romans, Greeks, and the Turks are all ancient Phoenician/Canaanites. When they moved into these territories they brought their old pagan worship with them from the ancient land of Canaan. Mithras worship was very prevalent in Rome and many of the powerful Romans worshiped this false god in caverns. Many reliefs of this false god have been found among caves there and in other parts of the world. It is said that the false god worship of Mithras originated in ancient Persia. It is another form of satanic worship. Satan goes between the feminine and the masculine because he was an archangel and was neither female or male but an angel. He calls himself by many names which are feminine false goddess names, and masculine false god names. These names have changed over time because satan has to keep redefining himself as people become wise to his deceit. His whole kingdom is made up of lies and make-believe.
      No amount of ignoring Jesus birth, or the fact that He is the Son of God, or removing crosses, etc. will change who Jesus Christ is. Let’s just celebrate his birthday on December 25th as we have done for ages, and save the controversy for another day. The Muslim will not honor the birthday of the Savior of the world, and the Muslim Palestinian (ancient Philistines) will not honor Jesus Christ’s birthday either, and we probably should not expect that they would. This is a time for Christians to come together and honor the birth of Messiah, the Son of God, the Savior of the world, who came from heaven to save all mankind. MERRY CHRISTMAS! :)

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:44pm

    So, to appease muslim-cultists, are gift shops selling items featuring symbols of the muslim-cult-faith such as the World Trade Center collapsing, decapitated infidels, whipped women, explosive-packed cars and ka-ka-boom underwear?

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  • karenm
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:43pm

    There are alot of dumb comments. We don’t know when he will return, the cross is a symbol we should respect and who cares what month he was born. One day people will know that Jesus is the son of GOD.

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  • Rickfromillinois
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:40pm

    Obviously this story is a vicious lie. Everyone knows that the peace loving and tolerant muslims would never do something like this. Excuse me while I go throw up after saying that.

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  • heavyduty
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:31pm

    The cross is a symbol and that is all it is. We are not to worship anything but God. Worshiping anything else is sin. Make fun of it at your own peril. Worship the one true Savior and leave the rest at the door.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:29pm

    I was at the Honey Baked Ham store tonight and had an epiphany, carpet bombing Muslim countries with Honey Baked Hams! They’ll give up the jihad in a flash!

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    • Country
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:34pm

      Hey Gonzo, do you realize pork is agaisnt the food laws in the Holy Bible? Lev. 19.

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    • Reagan/Demint.deciple
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:44pm

      @country.. That’s what confession is for..

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    • Country
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:56pm

      @Reagan/Demint.deciple, Yeah, will you have to wonder way God did not make pigs for us to eat, then you may not want to eat it and have to repent. Besides it is only a sin to your flesh body.

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    • DashRipRock
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:56pm

      Ham isnt the only thing you cant eat on a Rabbinic diet

      When it got to shrimp thats where me and Bubba parted ways with Holy dietary restrictions.

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    • Country
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:21pm

      @DashRipRock, What about opossum?

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    • DashRipRock
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:32pm

      Thats not funny because I hat one of those demon rats scare the %$#$ out of me last night when I took the trash out

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 9:46pm

      Country, what is your take on the angel’s words to Peter in Acts 10:15.

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    • Country
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 8:59am

      DashRipRock, demon rat? Now that is funny.

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    • Country
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 9:10am

      Sparky101, Peter was praying and fell into a trance. God spoke to him. This is an anology that once God cleanse a Gentile, Peter should not hold anything against them.

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  • neverending
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:26pm

    guess old barry boy is regulating those people as well!!!

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  • DagneyT
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:24pm

    I’ve been in the store pictured, it’s all olive wood. The store itself is surrounded by a solid metal fence topped by coiled razor wire. The proprietors are Christian Arabs. Bethlehem was given up on another “land for peace” deal, and is now in Palestinian hands. Predictably, the sanctity of our Savior’s birthplace to Christians was not sufficiently important to Israel.

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  • zman173rd
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:23pm

    “Tower” of bable: too bad Jesus was born in Sept”. Yes yes we know this. tell us about his shoe size. this i think is also very important in your little world of who cares facts.

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  • koibaby
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:22pm

    Making deals with devils.

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  • tower7femacamp
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:22pm

    The dirty little secret is that virtually all the available evidence has always pointed
    at the harvest period of 3 BC as the focal point of the Nativity–including the possibility
    of a late summer birth.

    By rejecting Luke, scholars also threw out the date of the birth Luke gives in his
    Gospel. In his second chapter, Luke tells what happened the day Mary came to the
    Temple for purification 40 days after the birth of Jesus. All one has to know is what
    day this was. And Luke plainly names the day. In fact, he includes three statements
    identifying the day. So what day was this?

    Yom Kippur. The Day of Atonement. The 10th day of the seventh month of the
    Hebrew calendar.

    In Luke’s time, Yom Kippur was called three things: The day of the “Fast,” the day
    of the “Purification,“and the day of ”Redemption.” Luke uses all three to identify the
    day Jesus was brought to the Temple. And he even quotes the Torah rule that mandates
    the 40-day period for the mother to wait after the child’s birth [Lk 2:22-38].

    And if there were any doubt that it was Yom Kippur, Luke tells of a woman named
    Anna who had been in the Temple for a “night and day” without leaving. There was
    ONLY ONE DAY A YEAR when a person could pray overnight in the Temple: Yom
    Kippur. All other days, the Temple was locked at sundown.
    http://petragrail.tripod.com/page5.html

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    • Country
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:44pm

      The first clue to find out when Jesus was born is in…

      Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

      The rest of the clues are in the same chapter. The info you gave is not biblical.

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 10:11pm

      Tower, Luke 2:37 says Anna never left the temple, but prayed there night and day. She would have been in the Women‘s Court and not in the Sanctuary or the Priest’s Court inside the Nicanor Gate. So, are you sure the Beautiful Gate was able to be closed and locked, and that it too was locked for a period each night?

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 10:58pm

      I think Ezekiel 46:1 says it was a ceremonial gate, the inner court gate that was closed during the 6 working days.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 3:25am

      And of course let’s not forget the shepherds watching their flocks by night, which you don‘t do in the winter because it’s too cold. You do it in the summer when it’s too hot to watch them by day.

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    • Country
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 7:49am

      Luke 2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

      Jesus was brought to the temple to be circumcized according to the law. So if Christ was born on the 29th, He was circumcized on Oct.7th? The last day of the days of Tabernacle? I shall go study.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 8:39am

      I am sorry I have already said to much.
      My God bless you all and have a very Merry Chrismas

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    • Country
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 8:57am

      tower7femacamp, you have nothing to apologize for.

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    • Country
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 12:43pm

      The 15th of Ethanim (or Tisri) was the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles. The circumcision therefore took place on the eighth day of the Feast = 22nd Ethanim = October 6-7 (Lev. 23:33-34). So that these two momentous events fall into their proper place and order, and the real reason is made clear why the 25th of December is associated with our Lord and was set apart by the Apostolic Church to commemorate the stupendous event of the “Word becoming flesh” – and not, as we have for so long been led to suppose, the commemoration of a pagan festival.
      http://levendwater.org/companion/append179.html#times

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  • Country
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:19pm

    These same people will bow when Jesus returns in this generation.

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    • Sweet Sister
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:51pm

      Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord!!

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    • Marylou7
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 9:39pm

      So true. People have been trying to erase Christ from this earth for 2000 years, it will NEVER happen. Jesus lived yesterday, He lives today and He will live forever.

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  • parmajohn
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:19pm

    Story re told for todays generation http://da5f67d9.tubeviral.com/ Merry Christmas

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  • beebacksoon
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:18pm

    ”According to AsiaNews, textile shops in Jerusalem and Hebron have begun to print and sell tee-shirts “depicting the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem without the cross.” The cross has also been removed from tee-shirts of local football teams “because of the growth of Islamic fundamentalism in the Palestinian territories.”
    Not to worry. When Christ returns, HE will remove every single person on earth, that removed “GOD”, “CHRISTmas”, and public prayer, to the pits of HELL. Oh, and there is a very special place in hell for all those that tortured and/or killed christians doing God’s work.

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  • poverty.sucks
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:18pm

    We need the cross to scare away the vampires.

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    • wash1776
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 10:57pm

      Love that comment about vampires. Would we be trying to scare away the bloodsuckers in the white house and the congress. SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA TO ME!!

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  • sWampy
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:17pm

    To bad we don’t have the balls to wipe the islamic infection that plagues this world off the face of the earth forever.

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    • CatB
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:53pm

      Amen!

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    • calijohn
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:25pm

      sick

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    • DesertRose1960
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 11:06pm

      How are you different than Osama Bin Laden? That is exactly what he and his fanatical supporters think. It’s why they attacked us. Oh, and there was that German guy, too. And those guys in Rwanda. They all wanted to wipe out the other side. I was raised to think they were bad and evil men. Is that not true? Where do you want to be when the final trumpet blows? What do you think that Jesus would say?

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 11:37pm

      DesertRose1960,

      If we wipe them out will be be for the love of our fellow humans on this earth. The same can’t be said for the Muslims.

      Merry Christmas!

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    • komponist-ZAH
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 12:02am

      Too bad you don’t have the brains to realize mass murder is wrong.

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    • Buck Bagaw
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 4:45pm

      We don’t have to wipe anybody out, just add pork fat to everything, especially bullet lube.

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  • FIREDUDE
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:15pm

    Cant wait for all these people to get to heaven and God says first door on your left will take you strait to HELL where you belong!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • mayihelpyou
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:14pm

    Death to Islam.
    What I get from this is the intolerant once again threaten violence if someone doesn’t “submit” to their cultish insanity.
    Death to Islam

     
    • Redistributor
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:27pm

      Indeed death. Let’s love them to death! Love your enimies. Love never fails (ends).

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  • Dustyluv
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:14pm

    Bethlehem is controlled by the Muslims…

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:33pm

      Everything will belong to the ******* if people can’t find the stones to stand up to them.

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    • CatB
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:56pm

      Yes .. everytime you give in on one thing they want more … time to stand up and put this cr*p down. Past time … hopefully not too late. But it needs to be now.

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    • Better_Red_than_Dead
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 8:49pm

      Bethlehem is controlled by the Palestinians, many of whom are Christians.

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  • tower7femacamp
    Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:12pm

    too bad Jesus was born in Sept

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:23pm

      Jesus was born in September, Jesus was born in September, Jesus was born in September. Can’t you fools think of anything else to say. This topic as to what month Jesus was actually born and the choice of days for the celebration of his birth has been discussed to death. Stop quacking about September already.

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    • Country
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:36pm

      @untameable-kate, Jesus was born in September. :)

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    • Rickfromillinois
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:38pm

      Your choice of having Hitler’s picture next to your signature tells all of us just what type of person you are. Slimeball.

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:40pm

      COUNTRY, you got some splainin to do!

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:43pm

      Yup. September 29, to be exact. December 25 would’ve been the day of the Conception. So, why not celebrate the day He began dwelling with us this Saturday? I thank God for Jesus every day.

      Stuck_in_CA  
    • DashRipRock
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:45pm

      Check this out
      september is latin for 7th month
      october is latin for 8th month
      november is latin for 9th month
      and december is latin for 10th month

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    • Country
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 7:51pm

      @untameable-kate, I like your broken english “splainin.”

      In Luke 1:5 the course of Abia is when Zacharias serves is priestly duties. In v. 13 he was told by Gabriel that Elisabeth was with child, (first miracle). In v. 23-26 gives more dates. V. 23 would of been June 19th – v. 24 June 24th thru Nov. 24th. In v. 26 Gabriel sent by God to tell Mary of Blessing.

      Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

      Mary went to Elisabeth’s house in “haste” to tell her cousin of the Miracle.

      haste in Greek means: G-4710. spoude, spoo-day’;

      from G-4692; “speed”, i.e. (by impl.) despatch, eagerness, earnestness:–business, (earnest) care (-fulness), diligence forwardness, haste.

      The course of Abia can be found in APPENDIX 179 of the The Companion Bible (The Bullinger Bible)
      http://levendwater.org/companion/append179.html#times

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:01pm

      @ Country
      The Companion Bible is the best study Bible around. Do you study with Pastor Murray?

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    • Sheepdog911
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:08pm

      September? Sorry, it changes yearly. When was Sukkoth (the Feast of Tabernacles on the fifteenth day of Tishri – the seventh month) the year Jesus was born? The Jewish and Biblical/Prophetic calendar has 360 days, therefore, Jewish holy days, the Feasts, change year-to-year. Regardless, we as a culture celebrate December 25th, which coincidentally is approximately 9 months before Sukkoth. Maybe we are celebrating Jesus’ conception, the moment Mary said yes to the Holy Spirit, and the moment He became both the Son of God and human (Emmanuel).

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    • Country
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:09pm

      Fur twelve year now, he’s the wisest teacher out there. ;)

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:28pm

      @ COUNTRY
      “Fur twelve year now, he’s the wisest teacher out there. ;)”
      Someday the whole world will know. Amen!

      Stuck_in_CA  
    • untameable-kate
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:31pm

      Now COUNTRY, I was being silly, thanks for all that though:D

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    • 1proudAmerican
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 8:42pm

      “The brotherhood of Christians and Muslims”????? There is NO SUCH THING!

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 9:16pm

      Country, in Luke 1:13, Gabriel does not say Elizabeth is pregnant. Verse 24 says this did not happen until after Zechariah had completed his service time at the Temple. Therefore, I think your calculations are off. No matter, a study of the “signs in the sky” at a presumed year of Christ’s birth and moving forward to find the Star, indicates the Magi very possibly arrived in Bethlehem, found the home of Mary, Joseph and Jesus, and presented their gifts on what would have been a December 25th in our calendar. If true, giving our gifts on December 25th would also have significance. Shortly thereafter, Joseph took Mary and Jesus to Egypt to escape Herod’s wrath.

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    • vic138
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 9:53pm

      Actually, although I sympathize with everyone about this nonsense of banning the cross in bethlehem completely, Jesus is probably a myth. But, the koran and mohammed writing down the words from gabriel via allah are as well. The old testament is a history book, or a collection of stories from the middle east in the times it was written. I think religion is a good thing when not taken to extremes or believed fanatically. Its just a set of morals to base a society upon. The 10 commandments should be enough, imo… Btw, from what I’ve read, I would much rather hang with jesus or moses than mohammed, he seems like a freak.

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    • LUDWIKA BRONISLAWA
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 9:56pm

      I pray for all of the Christians over there, especially in Iraq. I also pray that peoples eyes will be opened, around the world, and they will see the truth.

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 10:29pm

      Country, isn’t Abia a state in Southeast Nigeria? Did you mean Abijah?

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    • komponist-ZAH
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 10:48pm

      This is pretty interesting site on the subject of when Jesus was born: http://bethlehemstar.net/

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    • scottu
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 11:20pm

      we didn’t even need to read the bible, all we had to do was ask tower7

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    • dwh320
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 11:25pm

      The exate date of his birth or death and reserication means nothing. The only thing that matters is that he came.

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 11:29pm

      untameable-kate,

      Thank you!

      I too get tired of the piling-on that people do to Christians. Fortunately, this isn’t over just yet.

      Merry Christmas!

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 11:31pm

      Country,

      You and “Mr. Scared of FEMA Camps” are not funny in the least!

      Merry Christmas!

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 11:35pm

      vic138,

      Jesus a myth? Why do you call an historical fact that he lived and had followers ‘a myth’?

      Merry Christmas!

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on December 23, 2010 at 11:49pm

      AHH BUT.. FACT and POINT… Jesus WAS born and in Bethlehem dates are just something people can squabble over..

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    • getalong
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 12:15am

      Banning the Cross….sounds like Islamics are afraid of the competition, and they should be!!! Move over Allah, Jesus is taking over! AMEN

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    • getalong
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 12:20am

      VIC128, I urge you to read the book “A Case For Christ”, written by Lee Strobel who was a reporter with the Chicago Tribune and a diehard atheist. I think you will find it very interesting since Strobel set out to search for facts regarding Christ. You will be surprised at what he discovers. Merry Christmas!!

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    • MR_ANDERSON
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 12:26am

      Prove that he was born in September.

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    • jv
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 3:55am

      Actually you’re all wrong, Jesus was born on April 3rd or possibly the 5th in fuffillment of several Jewish prophesies. And He died (or was risen) on His 40th birthday making sense of the Scripture that the Word was made Flesh and tabernaclesd among us. The book “Introduction to the 2/3rds Rule” (available on Amazon.com) pretty much settles the issue. No lie. It’s a done deal. Check it out.

       
    • jbl8199
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 7:26am

      What date he was born isn’t important. It’s celebrating WHY he was born in the first place. To eventually die for our sins and give us eternal life with him in Heaven, but a lot of people are starting to forget that.

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    • Country
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 7:59am

      @Stuck_in_CA, Amen, I believe there is alot of us on this board who studies with Pastor Murray.
      http://www.shepherdschapel.com/index.htm – I’ll be glad with Glen studies with Christians instead of learning from his pocket Rabbi who does not recognize the Messiah.

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    • Country
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 8:25am

      Sparky101, you are correct, I miss spoke. She would have had to be at home with her husband to conceive. :) “Luke 1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house. 24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,” The calculations dates are not from me, but from EW Bullinger who wrote the Companion Bible and these are from his notes. Christ was conceived on Dec 25th so it is a day of celebration because that is when God‘s spirit enters Mary’s wound. Isaiah 7:14. As far as when it was when the wise men came. I don’t know. Christ was probably around 2 years old because that is the age that King Herod ordered the male children up to that age to be killed.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 8:38am

      right Rick My pic ? yours is a Skull lol ??
      Come on be fair

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    • Country
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 8:47am

      Sparky101, Abia was a Levitcus Priest, 1 Chr 3:10. ” Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia:” The Word says Abia, not me. “Matthew 1:7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;” ( this is Joseph’s linage). There is not mistakes in God’s word.

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    • Sheepdog911
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 9:22am

      @Stuck, Who the heck is Pastor Murray. Never heard of him. Why would so many of us study under him? Are we busy spouting off someone else’s beliefs or our own? It’s one thing to provide a link as something that supports you statement, it’s another if that is all there is. Personally, I don’t cae what some pastor says or teaches. His or her teachings, analysis, whatever, only have weight when you confirm that information with your own studies. When you bother to do that, it‘s no longer the pastor’s teachings, it’s your own analysis that was sparked by those teachings. Off subject, but that’s the problem with our education system, students are expected to absorbe and then regurgitate the teacher’s data and analysis, not absorb the facts and information and draw their own conclusions – like a good student. It sounds ike Murray is probably a good teacher – are you a good student or just a regurgitator?

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 10:15am

      @ COUNTRY
      You have been well-taught. Give ‘em what for! :-)
      We have the Key of David.

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    • Curator_JDR
      Posted on December 24, 2010 at 1:32pm

      Until the Oslo accords (1994), Bethlehem was 80% Christian. Since control of Bethlehem has shifted to the “Palestinian Authority”, Christians are persecuted and not safe. Safety of other religions than Islam is not permitted by Allah when Muslims have the upper hand. Its their duty to subjugate and cow the infidels.

      Where does this violence in religion come from?

      TO STUDY THE ANCIENT CULT-RELIGION OF BAAL EXPLAINS the divergence of Islam from Judaism and the adoption of dominating, killing, lying cheating and other anti-civilization aspects. Throughout the entire ancient world, the bull which was the machine-tractor of the ancient world was depicted and revered but only worshipped by Hamites (Assyrian, Canaanites, Southern Egyptians) Baal is recorded as the God of War/Violence/Storms/Domination. These are the root aspects that were worshipped in Medina, and when Medina conquered Mecca (which worshipped the God of Israel, as all Shemites/Midianites would), they supplanted those things into the new religion – Islam.

      HISTORIC INTERVIEW: artist Marc Rubin explains on Israel National Radio: http://www.marcrubin.com/judean-eve.ivnu

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    • Trutown
      Posted on December 25, 2010 at 11:45am

      Who cares? We are commenting on the loss of freedom the Christians in Israel are facing due to the increasing grip from Islamic and Hebrew authorities.

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    • IX-XI
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:29am

      Too bad you’re in the fall–the Roman census was in spring. Jesus was born in March or April.

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    • jv
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:29am

      Precisely. Just as I was saying. The exact date was April 5, 33 AD. And again this isn‘t some theological speculation as it is for those who’ve came up with September as Jesus’ birthdate simply because it fits their particlular interpretation of Scripture. It is actually provable through a recently discovered mathematical algorithm. And along the way this same principle can be used to prove just about every tenet of Christian belief. The book is called “Introduction to the 2/3rds Rule.” And it is well worth reading. We are really in need right now of a new weapon that we can use to overcome the atheist onslaught taking place in this country and the 2/3rds Rule provides it in spades. Available at Amazon.com.

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