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Jim Wallis: Beck Doesn’t Understand Christianity — Jesus was a Liberation Theologian
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pilgrim2497
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:37amFom Judas, to Jim Jones, to Jim Wallis; there have always been wicked people who use a professed concern for the poor to try and disguise the devil in their souls.
Report Post »Tatum
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:37amThis Man? (Wusser) is just doing Obamas work. Dividing the Country while Beck is bringing us together.
Who is The Christian you would listen too?
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:22amI’ll take the mormon over the marxist any day of the week!!
Report Post »Freidenker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 8:43pmNone of the above, thanks.
Report Post »wciappetta
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:36amWhy doen’t Wallis see this?
He who has the Son has life he who has not the Son has not life.
Notice the Lord didn’t present it as “those” instead of “he”….that means individual, personal…though Jesus wants all to be saved he deals with us separately and via free will….
Wallis doesn’t see that because he has eyes that see not and ears that hear not!
Report Post »superfide
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:36amI just need to clear up a few things:
I’m white, and my ancestors are from free states, and never owned slaves. So with that in mind, how much did I take from black people in this country? How much do I have to give back to black people in order to be saved? How will I know when I’ve given enough to black people to become a Christian? Also, if I was on my deathbed and had not become a Christian yet, I guess there would be no reason to pray to God and ask for salvation because I wouldn’t have enough time/resources to give enough to become a Christian, so I guess I’m going to hell no matter what at that point??? Yes or no?
Does that sounds like the Gospel to you? Wallis, Wright and Cone are the ones perverting the Christian faith for political gain. All of these guys are rich and using the poor and being used themselves by the likes of Soros to turn the political tide in his favor so he can exploit this country like they do everywhere else they get their grubby fingers. Liberation theology is the politicization of a religion, just like radical Islam. Liberation theologians are to Christianity what the Taliban are to Islam.
Contrarianthinker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:43pmWell said. I like your analogy
Report Post »martnee777
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:33amIf in your heart you seek guidance, understanding and truth, God will show you the way.
Report Post »Diego Garcia
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:33amHahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
If liberation theology was what jesus was all about, then how come socialism is broke all over the world? I.E. It doesn’t work.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Wallis is a snake. The proverbial snake.
Report Post »grannyjojo
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:33amOhhh, this man has it all wrong. The FIRST and most IMPORTANT part of the Bible is about our PERSONAL relationship with the Lord. Our salvation is personal, between each one of us and the Lord. I can‘t save you and you can’t save me. You don’t get to heaven through good works. My salvation absolutely has NOTHING to do with the “salvation of others”. Of course Jesus spoke about the poor….and by the way I’m ONE of them. But NOT in the context this man is talking about. Justice comes from God. He is the ultimate judge. I’m not the best speaker/writer but I know this guy is twisting The Word of God for his own gain while attempting to influence people. Sorry bud, once again this type of ploy does not work in the Christian population and we’re not staying quiet anymore. We’re raising our voices so that we are heard and the leftists hate it. We are not violent, weirdos, freaks or any other objectionable adjective they like to throw at us. We’re regular, everyday, mainstream, middle American‘s and we’ve had enough of this type of person espousing their views without it being brought to task and questioned.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:45pmIn Mormon theology, it was Lucifer who wanted to force people to do good. Take away their freedom of choice. Is govt redistribution a form of force?
Report Post »no one in particular
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:31amJesus wanted everyone be liberated to worship The Lord without persecution.
Report Post »Biscuit Feed Bubba
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:30amIt is true that Jesus taught “Liberation” Theology.
However, I believe that my Bible reads the same in JawJa as it does in Jim Wallis’ world.
For example: “Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Corinthians 3:16-18″ The key is the Spirit – Jesus taught that none should be in the bondage of SIN, and that we could be free from our Adamic nature (sinful flesh) by being born again and live in the Glorious Liberty of the Spirit. Even Jesus knew that there would always be the poor among mankind. “For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.Mark 14:6-8″ Get in the SPIRIT and it will lead you to assist the poor, but sometimes the seeminly poor person is an infidel who will not work for his on household, I wonder what Jesus would say about that type of person, let Jesus’ words speak “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel 1 Timothy 5:7-9″.
Get in the Spirit and follow the clear way that was prophesied in the old testament by Isiah, it really is simple; “And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein Isaiah 35:7-9″.
As Forrest would say, that’s all I have to say about that…
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:59amWell said, biscuit. Now if you want any progressive leach on this site to reply to you, dumb it down a little. Use a few curse words, call names, or just flat out lie about something. Thats their language. Your post is truth and most prog-blogs cant understand such a thing. Again, well said, and well backed with scripture. I wonder what Ole Jimmie would say about that…….He’d prob just call you a racist.
Report Post »Biscuit Feed Bubba
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:24amI’ll try…how about this: LAWRENCE O’DONNEL IS GOING TO HELL UNLESS HE ACCEPTS JESUS!
Dawg, that’s still the truth!
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:22pmHa, nice. Although you could be more effective by using mathews. And also try some race baiting, you know, really get into it. That speaks straight to a lib bloggers heart.
Report Post »tmh
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:20pmAwesome!! Also I would like to say that the “acceptance” that Jesus preached was that WHOSOEVER WILL may repent and be saved. He didn’t exclude anyone on basis of race, denomination, age, sex, etc. Anyone who wants to repent and come to Jesus and believe will be accepted, none will be turned away. It does not mean that all lifestyles and all sin is accepted. It just means anyone is elegible to receive salvation. But the key word is repent. Jesus preached “the kingdom of God” and “repentance. Look for those phrases as you read the gospels and they will stand out to you.
Report Post »amerbur
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 8:45amExcellent. The word of God will set you free.
Report Post »rbqueen
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:27amThis jokester claims to know the Bible? It really is ridiculous because it is absolutely clear that he doesn’t understand even the simplest things that Jesus said. The scripture that he quoted was about the Good News of the Savior being here and that if someone is oppressed then they can still have freedom in their hearts and minds while they might still have a yoke of physical oppression on them. WHAT AN IDIOT THIS GUY IS!!!!
Report Post »NoStar
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:27amA Limerick to Refute Jim Wallis’s Version Of Biblical Teachings
Jim Wallis says thousands and more
Report Post »Bible versus refer to the poor
But did Christ say “Create
A tax fed welfare state?”
Cheerful giving is never a chore.
NoStar
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:22amThe half truths of Jim Wallis’s version of the Gospel and that of liberation theology will only be believed by people who have not read and studied the Word of God for themselves.
Report Post »7.62x54R
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 2:55pmLike!!!
Report Post »heidi586
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:26amFirst:Jesus died on the cross for each of us-so that we may live. Second: Matthew 19:21…when the man asked Jesus ‘what must I do to get into heaven’…the answer was “Follow the commandments” and 21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Not…sell/take your neighbors. It was make your own choices. (Knock and I shall answer). There is no social justice to salvation. We are to care for the poor and the disadvantaged….by choice not by force and not by the strong hand of the government.
Report Post »Les Panek
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:25amThe blasphemer will have to face his Creator one day, and explain how using the Gospel to advance Marxism is acceptable. I can’t seem to find “social justice” in any parts of The Bible…can anyone point out the passages for me?
Report Post »Bunk
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:24amThis guy doesn’t have a clue! How in the world anyone could study the Bible and come to those conclusions is beyond me. Fortunately the majority of Biblical scholars know better and teach otherwise. Liberation Theology will never be accepted in main stream Christianity.
Report Post »joycevon9
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:23amGod is a God of Charity, but not by government control, but by personal decision to reach out to the poor. The government type charity becomes very oppressive to all.
Report Post »wyldibrouse
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:21amConsidering Our Lord was speaking about liberating us from sin, this gentleman completely misses the understanding of Christianity. Without personal salvation the whole point of life is lost.
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:29amCmon, Jesus wasnt talking about liberation from sin……What he had meant to say was that he was liberating us from not having as much stuff as rich people. Of course Jesus encouraged jealousy. And for the record, Jezibelle is the new Virgin Mary.
Report Post »anth
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 1:47pmYou have to stretch your reading pretty far – and pretty willfully – to believe that Jesus was *only* talking about the spiritual realm. There’s absolutely no textual reason to believe Luke 4:18, for example, is talking about anything other than the physical world. This is a recurring biblical theme, and Jesus (or the authors of the various gospels, if you like) intentionally calls back to, for example, Isaiah 61:1. Recall, similarly, this bit, which shows up in 3/4 of the gospels: “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Or recall how the sheep and the goats were divided at judgement.
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:20amOk Jimmie boy, lets look at the tapes of “rev” wright’s sermons. Does that look much like what Jesus tought? Barak must have thought so, he sat there for 20 freakin years…..Wright married Michelle and Barak. If that doesnt disspell any questions as to who our president is, I dont know what does. And no, Beck didnt call it “black” lib theology. Wright did. Jim is such a silly little man.
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:58amHey DESERTROSE1960, why dont you reply to this post. you know, the one with facts in it. You can go to any site and attack someone for their grammar. Lets hear your arguement against the facts listed above. I will hold my breath.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:26pmFunny, that you should bring up the Reverend Wright. He wasn’t being talked about here. He was at that church for decades and yet, only one small clip gets played over, and over, again. Did you know that the church sold copies of his sermons on a regular basis? With all those copies out there, there must be some pretty scary stuff, right? And yet, nope, just those few seconds. The man was talking about how American arrogance and insensitivity had gotten us into this problem with Muslim world. Radicals attacked us for what they preceive as attacks on their culture, religion, and way of life. I was saddened, enormously saddened, when I woke up on 9/12. I was under armed guards and Charlie security conditions on base; but I was not surprised that we had been attacked. I had asked my first Current Events Quiz question about Bin Laden a full year before the attacks. I wanted my students to be as aware of the threat from Al-Qaeda I was.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:49pmDesert, sometimes we are all are quilty of quoting out of context. IF I understand you right, this was the one and only tive Wright made remarks like this. All else was mainsteram Christianity teaching that the atonement of Christ and individual salvation is the very heart of the Gospel?
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 5:58pmdeserthippie, that was quite a lame reply. How about Cone? Listen to his definition of BLT. I understand that Cone and Wright are pretty much the same in terms of theology. And by the way, there is plenty of ridiculous material from both of these false prophets. Maybe YOU should do a little research rather than being spoon fed your “news”. Your reply was the typical left wing talking point and you couldn’t even see that while you were writing it. Open your eyes and think for yourself. Chris mathews and the gang have you hool, line, and sinker. Do a little research and then come back with an arguement that makes sense.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:19amGlenn Beck was raise Catholic dunce, Jim Wallis get an “F”. And when did jesus teach politics? Actually if you really read the Bible you can see a form of seperation of chruch and state in his teachings.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:32amI’m not so sure that someone with your poor command of English grammar should call anyone a dunce. But that’s just my opinion as a former English/History?Government teacher.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:46amDesertRose1960, yes I had teachers like you, and their response was always NO EXCUSE!!!
Yey they never had the time other than to insult and belittle
It’s called dyslexia, oh by the way, DesertRose1960, one of the greatest and most infuencial writers George Lucas, has it much worse than me. Also if you take the coins out of you pocket made from 1972 on to 78 lets say? All Learning differences, except Jefferso. He had asperger’s syndrome, like Bill Gates.
Now I’ll wait for some more teachers belittling…
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:48amMy apologies for the typo and comma omission. That sentence should read: “But, that’s just my opinion as a former English/History/Government teacher.”
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:50amdsrtrose1960hippie, I am going to email you a cookie for that incredibly witty comeback that included a tooting of your own horn for being smarter than awl us hick folks hear own this here intranet thingie that pastor Beck told us to go on.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:53amDesertRose1960,
Now we know why you are a “FORMER” practice what you preach!
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:05amYour dyslexia is no excuse for name calling and belittling. I pointed out that you had called someone you don’t know a dunce. I had no idea about your problem. It does interfer with your ability to communicate. I am not sure what you meant, did you mean to say that Jefferson had Asperger Syndrome? And your proof of this would be what exactly? I was actually very accepting of student’s with differing abilities, including the young man with Asperger’s. George Lucas is a great film maker, and very creative, he uses his images to make up for his problems with writing.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:06amYes msnbciscomedy,
These are the same lefty Moonbats that tried to indoctranate us when we we kids but most of generation resisted them, The Tweeners” Not Boomers or Gen X 1960-65.Yet their pompas attitude made us laugh too much,. Our motto, “ Question Authority” Yet these Moonbats even today still relenlantly try to look down their noses at us and attempt their jabs at any cost. Moonbat Rose remionds me of the Pricipal from “Uncle Buck”, Ms. Melanoma Head! Have a good one msnbciscomedy!
Report Post »Voice of Reason
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:08amOoooo the last vestiages of the losing side in the debate……Grammar and Spelling Nazism.
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:09amWow Desertrose, how rude of you. If he was a lefty liberal you would probably say “Don’t hate on someone because they have a learning disability.” Its a shame, really, that the lefts compassion is so conditional. How did you know before writing that comment what his history was? Maybe English wasn’t his first language. Are you a bigot? I thought you lefties were all about not making English the official language of America, I thought you were all about imigrants and we should all learn Spanish rather then having people who come here learn English.
Keep talking, you prove yourselves to be hypocrates time and time again. Compassion should not be conditional.
Report Post »Voice of Reason
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:10amCOMMA OMMISSIONS!!!!!!! The horror……
I guess this is real hard core proof of the addage that those who can’t do…..teach.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:18amI still state that you are a “FORMER” teacher and I see why. If you worked with so many students, and had fond feelings for them, then you should have seen the facts of my writting skills. This makes you a Dunce also, why? Because you claim your superiority over others, your skills, accomplishments, and knowlege,yet… Your not putting them in any relevant or practical use. Also your preaching religion, but do you practice what you preach? DesertRose1960? Yes Glenn Beck quit college, but look at where he is now! Where are you DesertRose1960? On a bog insulting people with poor grammar. Why don’t you do something with your life useful… Like teach someone how to read at your local library, I volenteer…Dunce
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:21amummmm, hey teach, yea, I know im just a snot nosed little student…..buttt….there was a run on sentence in your last post about how people who make grammar mistakes cant communicate…
Report Post »You wrote “I’m not sure what you meant, did you….” You see there should have been a period after meant. I’m sure a genius teacher like yourself knew that though. Hold on now, were you one of those young coaches that got the gig at your old highschool. I was tought by one who thought egypt was a continent.
csbaby
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:26amDesertRose has been indoctrinated into the social justice ideology by virtue of being a part of the school system. She’s been taught to think that way. If she goes to church, she is probably just fed what they want her to believe and practice instead of going to the source, the Bible, herself. Social justice is not taught in the bible. Charity is taught in the bible – but that’s not social justice – Desertrose. Perhaps you should re-educate yourself. Go ahead – bash my grammar and use of the English language if you must. Or, if you are so convinced social justice is taught – provide chapter and verse (in context) to make your point.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:30amDesertRose1960 just stated from another post above that It’s is a civil servant and is presantly employed as one now. DesertRose1960, why are you blogging and not working??? Isn’t it nice that a civil servant/ ex teacher has the time to spend their working hours by blogging, not serving our best interest??? I is a guvment wurkr! I call this a form of welfare DesertRose1960
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:56amUSAMAMA, even on Liberal sites, I have been known to scold people for poor grammar. If you have anything worth saying, then you can take the time to say it correctly. I was always willing to work with students with disabilities. However, when I can’t understand what is being said, I must question the person for further clarification. If that makes me rude, then so be it. But calling someone a dunce is not a way to have a civil discourse. Having a disability shouldn’t subject one to name calling, but having a disability doesn’t give someone the right to call others names. No, I am not a bigot, and no, I don’t favor having English declared the official language of the United States. I lived overseas in a non-English speaking country. I’m very understanding of usage problems in non-native speakers.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:10pmDesertRose1960,
You wrote, “White male group that Glennie paraded on the stage on 8/28 but hasn’t released all”. There’s suppose to be a comma between 8/28 and but. Right here… ,
Well I have to go to work, I don’t have a civil service job that allows me to write on blogs and insult other peoples grammar all day like DesertRose1960.
Oh,…by the way DesertRose1960, if our grammar and such is so bad then how is it you are able to communicate with us? Now if someone came on using ebonics and wrote some thought provoking things, I would accept the difference. but, I wouldn’t judge them by their abbillity to communicate. Yet when I hear people saying ignorant things and bring up the abbillitiy of others and wrap it based in their belife system like Jim Wallis, yes that’s a Dunce even more a Jackass. And we know about Jackass’s
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:13pmJoseph, you don’t know where I am, or what I should be doing. Govenment workers often have schedules that allow them regular days off, earned by working 9 or 10 hour days. Of course, you would find Civil Service as a form of welfare. I have watched this site for several days. I have seen numerous people make very serious errors in grammar and spelling. And none of them seem to have your disability. I didn’t call you a dunce, I just said that you shouldn’t call others dunces. And really, You shouldn’t, I would have thought your experiences would have made you sensitive to calling others names that you probably were. I was picked on for my eyesight. I don’t like to see anyone called a name. I gave you some background information on myself because I was an unknown quantity. I do go to Mass every Sunday. And I do volunteer. And I do support charity. And my Church, the Catholic Church is a great advocate for Social Justice. Judaism, my husband’s religion is a great advocate of Tzadekah. You may not find Social Justice in the Bible, but you don’t find the internet mentioned in their either, Do you think we shouldn’t use it?
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:41pmDesert: I truly appreciate that you speak and write well. I agree with you that there is more vitrial and name calling HERE THAN IS CALLED FOR. I can tell you’re an educated person.
Do you think that the Catholic Church teaches liberation theology? Please explain your answer.
I realize that you’ll support many wonderful charities around the world. Catholucs deserve great credit,The Mormon Chuch often biggybacks on your organizational structures in place around the world. Please understand that Livberation Theology teaches redistribution of wealth through govt force. That is NOT a Christian teaching.
FYI. Mormons don’t have formal theological seminaries. We do have ways to help people learn the scriptures in their true meaning and how to apply them. A ll one has to do is look at the Welfare System of the Church at lds.org
Report Post »George1
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:50pmDesert rose, attacking someone’s grammar instead of their argument or message is a weak approach to any discussion. In fact, it’s a fallacy, and you should be ashamed for so blatantly derailing discussions in that manner. The purpose, here, is not to swell with pride at our literary accomplishments and worldly success; the point of this forum, and this entire website, is to realize who is running our country and to direct what our future holds. Your disruption of that is unnecessary.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:53pmFWIW, IF Deset is a liberal, he is a faiminded and well spoken one. I don’t see him calling those who disgaree with him rude names and personal attacks. Who is a better example of Christian charity?
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:15pmContrarianthinker, no, the Catholic Church does not approve of Liberation Theology. It was a heresy that went through the Church decades ago. The teachings were discredited by the work of a German Cardinal named Ratzinger. Social Justice is not Liberation Theology. Glenn Beck uses words and phrases as if they were interchangable. He doesn’t understand the difference between Liberation Theology and Social Justice any more than he understands the difference between Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, or Progressivism. He is talking to an audience that doesn’t, either. But, he found a way to connect with his audience. He feeds of the fear and ignorance, and he uses them to sell his goods. By his own admission, he does this for the money.
As to talking to the LDS church about your teachings, well, I’m afraid that I learned all I needed to at the Temple in St. George, Utah. When I asked the docents at the Temple visiting center if it was true that Black people turned White in Heaven if they were good Mormons, both of the very polite women smiled broadly, nodded their heads and beamed at me that it was true. I thanked them for their time and left the visitor’s center as fast as I could without running. (I had just finished reading “Hawaii” by James Mitchner and fully expected to be told that this was a misrepresentation on his part; and no, Mormons didn’t believe that.)
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 4:13pmDesert: IF I was told that, I would leave also BUT… that is NOT true what these ladies said. I’m sorry your rejection of the Restored Gospel in based on this misstatement. I would suggest you find a black memebr and ask them IF you want the truth. I assume you do?
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 4:24pmDESERTRose: First have I ever insulted you in any way? To the contrary, I have said I qappreciate you’r being here.
Well you’ve insulted my ability to discern truth from error. Glenn hasvery little time to go in depth about the differences among Fascism, Marxism, etc. He has fairly summarized what social justice is in Liberation Theology and said it is very different then Christ’s teachings about charity. Do you see any differences?
I happen to be a student of political science. I have researched into what Liberation Theology teaches. I’m NOT that ignorant, know nothing you have implied I am. I’m used to lecturing anywhere between 50-75 minutes and carrying over a subject from class to class. I have the chance for going into depotha and questions from students. Your a teacher so you know what I mean. Glenn is in a verery different venue. He is constantly interrupted by commercials which breaks the train of thought/discussion. To his credit, he uesually brings the audience a quick summary after the commercial break.
I don‘t think that you’ll ever change your mind about Glenn and that’s fine with me. FWIW, I KNOW that God has called Glenn on August 24, 2009 to be His last days Patrick Henry/Thomas Paine. Yoy don‘t have to believe that but that doesn’t change the situtaion. Please don’t start the flames but continue with respectful dialogue. OK?
Report Post »patti
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 5:46pmDesertRose
Get over yourself. I don’t believe for one minute you teach anything.
Report Post »You’re really very nasty. Are you constipated? Maybe a laxative will help.
DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:21pmContrarianthinker, I honest and plainspoken. You have been a reasonable opponent and I do appreciate that. You are entitled to believe that your church is Restored Gospell. From what I have read, I will never see it as anything more than heresy. I’m sorry if you feel insulted, but that is what I have learned in my research and my experience, which is more extensive that just that one incident. Indeed, the incident did prompt me to do more research.
I don’t think Glenn Beck knows what he is talking about on almost anything that comes out of his mouth. I am sorry that you feel he is some sort of oracle. Sooner or later, his true nature will be revealed to everyone, and one of us will be proved wrong. Be aware, both Henry and Paine were revolutionaries. If you foment or participate in a revolution or a rebellion, you will destroy the Constitution you and Beck proclaim to love.
I was angry when Reagan won in 1980, and nauseous when George Bush won in 2000, but I never let my disappointment boil over into sedition, which is what is happening here. I’m a proponent of Liberation Theology. Most of it was repudiated by the Catholic Church nearly 30 years ago. However, Jim Wallis seems to have had a long, respected career working for social justice. If he was this evil force that Beck makes him out to be, don’t you think it would have come out by now? The President of the United States is not a religious leader, he isn’t espousing a religious philosophy, so these wild accusations of being an anti-colonialist and a liberation theology proponent is the height of absurdity. David Brooks called it “science fiction”
Report Post »alienguns
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:31pmdesertrose1960……English/History/Government teacher.”….the government teacher part of that is your biggest problem
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 8:44pmDesertRose: I thank you for laying out clearly where you’re coming from. It appears that you’ve pretty well rejected Catholism which is OK. I just alert you as a brother in Christ that Liberation Theology is a perversion of Christianity as taught by Jesus. Don’t accept the Restored Gospel that is fine. BUT please turn back to the foundations of the Gospel: The Atonement of Jeus Christ and His message on INDIVIDUAL SALVATION.
Report Post »Mikee T
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:55pmDesertRose…….. People like you continue to validate what most americans believe which is that the political bureaucratic machine………and you can throw public school system teachers right in there with them…………are absolutely clueless and should stay on the medication but stay home as well so as not to continue to poison our childrens’s minds with your professorial, zero common-sense oriented approaches to life in general……….. I’ll keep all of you in my prayers but wow….clueless !!
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 12:25amI have to say one thing more to you DesertRose1960,
10 years ago I was at a kindergarden level of reading and writind skills. I’m not my best in the evening, most say I sound pretty retarded at times. I don’t care what anyone thinks! God Gave me this body even though it’s flawed and my mind has a hurddle to keep up with other people out there. I have no problems with that! and I have no issues with how I was treated in the past either. I have a problem with people hat think they are smarter than me and steal from me.And Or those that think just because they got a paper saying that they are “Da Thang” they can tell me all about my faults and problems. Yes DesertRose1960, I’m simple, and most likely simple minded.Hate me for it!
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 12:30amLastly DesertRose1960,I’ll sincerly pray that one day you can have a true and positive mercy in your heart. And that the pain of the ignorant students that you felt burdened with may open your eyes of who they really were/are
Report Post »dazyann010501
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 2:48pmJOSEPH, thank you for posting this great video!!! ;)
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:19amTo morons talking to each other.
Report Post »The Monster
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:15amWhen you call two people “morons”, it really helps if you spell “two” correctly. Failing to do so makes people wonder if you’ve counted the “morons” correctly. Don’t forget to count the counter, too.
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:29amMonster, I agree with the poster who said that it is two morons talking. I assume you dont. However….your post is pretty funny. Lib or not, comedy is comedy!
Report Post »Weetsie
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:18amWhat happened to teach a man to fish?
Report Post »mdp9a
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:07amFWIW, the teach a man to fish parable is not from the Bible; it came from Confucius
Report Post », I think…
Weetsie
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:25amI do believe you are right. My apologies!
Report Post »Weetsie
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:34amOk, I got it now… 2 Thessalonians 3:10 – “We also gave you the rule that if you don’t work, you don’t eat. (CEV)
Report Post »AnOregonian
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:12pmThe Government runs the hatcheries……. See!
Report Post »dazyann010501
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 2:35amGive a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Report Post »Lao Tzu
rudianger2
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:18amOk, Mr. Wallis!!! You want to debate Glenn on this? If you are so sure Glenn is misunderstanding the teachings of Jesus…then go ahead and challenge him to a CSPAN debate.
The thing that fascinates me is this….after thousands of years…ALL OF US HAVE GOTTEN THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS “WRONG”??? What a Marxist joke this is….
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:17amYeah, whatever happened to helping the poor?
Report Post »rudianger2
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:21am“What ever happened to helping the poor??????” Are you serious? This is the most charitable country on the planet…bar none. Why? Because people want to…they aren’t forced to.
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:25amYea, dont you remember the story of Jesus taking things from hard working people and giving them to lazy poor people? What was it? Give a man a fish……because he is too lazy to learn to fish?
Report Post »v.o.t.e.
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:26amthere is nothing in this country which stops you from helping the poor– have a ball– go nuts– help the poor personally — i do– its not the governments job –its your job– stop shirking it !!!
Report Post »Zing
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:05amWow. You really didn’t do ANY research prior to casting your vote for Obama did you? Percentage wise and dollar wise I had Obama beat in every year prior to him running for office. In 2008 he probably beat me on dollar amount but still didn’t approach me on percentage of income. He’s a do I say, not as I do little c “christian”. Just like Jim Wallis. Now I believe in charity hence I give to organizations that I believe fulfill needs in our society for those who can not help themselves or to assist in funding relevant programs the government does not see fit to fund. Liberation theology is not Christianity. Hence why people just might have trouble seeing Obama as a Christian. That and the fact that taxpayer money is being spent promoting the nation of Islam. If Bush had done any such thing with Christianity you fools would have been climbing out of the woodwork screaming “separation of church and state” which by the way exists no where in the documents that created our republic.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:37am@RUDIANGER2 – In your world view as well as your Christian theology, Christian’s are suppose to be feeding and caring for the poor – it that correct? Well, someone is falling down on their Christian duty as 1 in 7 Americans are considered poor and 1 on 5 children in this country go to bed hunger every night.
Report Post »QweeQwa
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:36pmWindmill…sshhhhhh.
Cant have any extreme socialist notions like that around all these God fearing, loving christians. Whats wrong with you.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:16amJust what does Jim Wallis know about Christianity?? NOTHING!!
Report Post »George1
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:54amRight on, V.o.t.e. It’s the concept of personal responsibility, and it extends to all walks of life, YOU help the poor, YOU go out and vote, YOU accept Jesus Christ as your savior. No one else can do it for you.
Report Post »Kab
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:57pmJesus said “my kingdom in not of this world”. I think Jim Wallis should mediate on this for sometime before he speaks up for Jesus again.
Report Post »Freidenker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 8:41pmOf course, what does anyone know of Christianity – is a) Pauline brand the correct one, or b) the Marcionite brand, c) the Gnostics or others that were judged to be heretical. What we see today was the result of popularity, the Council of Nicea and a lot of battles.
Report Post »anthony0713
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:15amWell, Mr. Wallis… put your money where your mouth is and debate Glenn.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:29amI am quite sure that Reverend Wallis would love to debate a high school graduate who couldn’t manage to finish even one college course on theology. I am equally sure that Glennie would never consent to debate an educated theologian when he couldn’t shriek him down or turn off the microphone. John Adams was right, facts are stubborn things, and the facts are on Rev. Wallis’ side.
Report Post »FREECOUNTRY
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:45amActually, DESERTROSE, Glenn would probably take this guy to the cleaners. You don’t need a degree in Jesus to truly understand Jesus. A true Christian has the three things that Beck has been talking about: Faith, Hope and Charity. Nuff said!
Report Post »msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:46amsigh…….if you believe in Wallace, let me take a guess……You are in one of the 44% of American households that recieve govt benefits……… Cmon, tell the truth…..ha, tell the truth, thats funny.
Report Post »Voice of Reason
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:50amReally? I think Glenn would welcome the op.
But even if Glenn didn’t, I am CERTAIN that any of the Black Robe Brigade would have his back and would put Mr. Wallis on the proper path.
Report Post »George1
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:51amSomeone who actually spends time in their Bible will have just as deep an understanding of it as any theologian. I don’t think God discriminates based on secular education and keeps his relationships/deep understanding only with the highly educated.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:55amActually, Freecountry, a true Christian does have those things. And since Glenn Beck is utterly lacking in them, he must not be a true Christian. And, no, you don’t have to have an advanced degree to win a debate, but when you have neither the training in civil discourse nor the facts to back up your positions, it is really hard to win a debate. Screaming like an apoplectic teakettle or sophomoric mockery are no substitutes for intellect.
USAMama
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:56amReally Desertrose1960? The Gospel is about Social Justice? How about when he also said in another interview that the Gospel preaches redistribution of wealth? Does your Bible say that? I have a dozen Bibles, every version written and have read them thoroughly….. I have never found these passages. I have seen where Jesus does however preach charity and giving to the poor. I have seen where He talks about tithing to the Church so that they can minister to the poor. I have never seen Him talk about tithing to the government so they can take care of everyone.
If I took a Bible and cut out all the parts pertaining to social justice and redistribution of wealth guess what? I would still have a complete Bible. So if you are going to make these insinuations please feel free to give me the exact scripture where you read it, because I can’t find it.
Report Post »MiddleFinger
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:07amI challenge you…Glenn Beck to invite Jim Wallis to be on your program.
You have a loud megaphone so while you are on air just invite him.
We will see who is a coward
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:08amI think DesertRose1960 is Danglingbaggs in disquise…
Report Post »legaleagle
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:09amDesertrose,
Report Post »Why not have our own debate about whether or not Glenn possesses those Christian attributes of faith, hope and charity. Show me examples of where he has exhibited a lack of any of them. Your feelings toward Glenn are clear, so I wouldn’t expect any more sympathy for his positions than what you have already shown, but I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss his ability to debate. I think he’s got a great handle on the facts and could very well hold his own against Wallis.
DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:16amMSNBCISCOMEDY, I actually work for a living. I am a civil servant, I support the warfighter, not figuratively, but directly. I have 71/2 years on my record, and spent ten years overseas as both a government employee and the dependent of a civil servant. And that is the truth.
I have never been on Welfare, but I did get foodstamps in the summer of 1981 when I couldn’t find a job. I‘ve posted to forums before and been scolded for tearing apart someone’s grammar as if I were an English teacher, when that is what I was. There is no cost in using clear, concise language. There can be great cost in not using it. I have watched this site for the last week. I have been appalled at the bad grammar and the bad manners. This entry was the final straw and I decided I needed to make a post.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:23amLegaleagle, I think that Glennie is a fraud. I think the only thing he has faith in, is the gold he hawks and the guns he owns. I think the only hope he has is for higher ratings and book sales. I think the only charity believes in is Glenn Beck. Glenn, like so many before him, has found that selling religion works really well to some groups of people. It took him a while, but he finally found an act that works, but his own admission, in a Forbes article from last winter, he is in this for the money.
And no, I am not DanglingBags, but I have to admit that his/her persistance was an inspiration for me. No, I don’t work for George Soros, either. I am not a Communist, a Marxist, or a Fascist. I am, however, a mild manner and devoted Catholic who married a nice Jewish boy and had twins some time ago.
Report Post »jarhead6523
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:35amTo Desert Rose1960
Report Post »Jimmie Boy is reading the wrong book…He needs to put down the little red book of Mao and pick up the little black book of the New Testament. He amy learn something…
JJ Coolay
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:38amDESERTROSE: Glenn is lacking in Faith, Hope and Love?
Report Post »You obviously don’t pay attention to him. He spews all 3 on a regular basis.
msnbciscomedy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:39amHa, 1960′s deserthippie was inspired by dangling bags…….and yes deserthippie, glenn is just a ratings whore with his specials on martin vanburen and his fancy hyperinflation graphs. Any tv exec will tell you, if you want ratings…… martin vanburen is wherre its at.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:45amVoice of Reason, I shake in my shoes! The Black Robbed Brigade! Do you mean that invention of Dave Barton. He took another phrase from the Revolution and spun it into something that never was, yet again. Or do you mean the overwhelmingly Protestant, White male group that Glennie paraded on the stage on 8/28 but hasn’t released all 240 of their names and affiliations. I know he has one Rabbi, Lapin, who is a pseudo-Conservative and disgraced by his association with Jack Abramov. And then there’s John Hagee, a foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Catholic, so toxic, John McCain had to disown him.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:53amDesertRose1960,
You wrote, “White male group that Glennie paraded on the stage on 8/28 but hasn’t released all”. There’s suppose to be a comma between 8/28 and but. Right here… ,
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:58amJJCoolay, you are correct. Glennie does spew every day.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:01pmJoseph, you are correct about the comma. Thank you for the correction.
Report Post »Former Communist
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:28pmTry to start the redistribution in a poor country! Redistribute the debts?
HOOSIERVETERAN
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:29pmIf your grammar is poor your heart is invalid?
Report Post »HOOSIERVETERAN
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:31pmBTW 10 year warfighter here. Please dont support me.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 12:55pmDesert: I’ve found thant debate of theological differences is not productive to understanding and tolerance. More often it ends up with harsh words. I found discourage a debate for thos reasons.
Report Post »Kab
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:00pmAdd your comments
Report Post »henryclay
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:37pmDesertrose are you really going to stand and defend crooked Jim Wallis a professed Marxist?
Let’s refer to what the Pope, someone with more credentials then either, on what Liberation theology is: it is evil…. So are you and Jim Wallis saying the Pope is wrong?
Liberation Theology is Marxism mixed with religion. Argue with that…..I pray God touches your life and guides you in the right direction.
Report Post »idefine
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:50pmAll some people have is their grammar and spelling abilities, and miss the big picture while caught up comma’s etc., even if the meaning is clear and powerful. Brilliance is in the idea, making it clear, and and not negated by some technical errors especially made while rushing to pst to a forum.
Glen Beck is not a fraud, as anyone would know if they actually watched his show from start to finish long enough to get use to his style. Listen to what he says, not what you think he means based on your prejustice. and to the critics, how about some real examples if you are making accusations
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:36pmIDefine, I have watched some of his shows from start to finish. I HAVE heard what he has to say. Have you? There isn’t anyone else in my house who can stand to listen to Beck for more than five minutes. If you think you see someone sincere, well, you are sadly, tragically deluded. Shakespeare wrote this in The Merchant of Venice”: “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness. Is like a villain with a smiling cheek” Glenn Beck is a villian, he is using his audience to get rich, and I am quite sure he mocks you all the way to the bank. Sooner or later, his audience will wake up and turn away. Until that day happens, however, he is a danger to the country. There are some who don’t need much encouragement to do terrible things. Glenn took Jesus, wrapped him in the flag and handed him a gun and some gold and then told his audience that they need to take the country back from the duly elected Government. In the 2008 election, President Obama received 53% of a 70% voter turnout. That was the best margin and voter turn out in nearly 30 years. The Gadsden flag is a symbol of rebellion, waving it while talking about taking the country back is seditious. Doing that while claiming to be speaking God’s message is sacrilegious. Standing silently while it happens is suicidal. It can happen here, but it isn’t Liberals you have to fear. It’s the fanatics that Beck inspires.
Report Post »HOOSIERVETERAN
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 5:03pmFrom Wiki: “blah blah blah anyone can post on wiki………..”
In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.
Typically, sedition is considered a subversive act, and the overt acts that may be prosecutable under sedition laws vary from one legal code to another. Where the history of these legal codes has been traced, there is also a record of the change in the definition of the elements constituting sedition at certain points in history. This overview has served to develop a sociological definition of sedition as well, within the study of state persecution.
The difference between sedition and treason consists primarily in the subjective ultimate object of the violation to the public peace. Sedition does not consist of levying war against a government nor of adhering to its enemies, giving enemies aid, and giving enemies comfort. Nor does it consist, in most representative democracies, of peaceful protest against a government, nor of attempting to change the government by democratic means (such as direct democracy or constitutional convention).
Sedition is the stirring up of rebellion against the government in power. Treason is the violation of allegiance to one’s sovereign or state, giving aid to enemies, or levying war against one’s state. Sedition is encouraging one’s fellow citizens to rebel against their state, whereas treason is actually betraying one’s country by aiding and abetting another state. Sedition laws somewhat equate to terrorism and public order laws.
Your right because this describes most of us. I can trace my military ancestory all the way back to the last time someone acused hard working people of this. It did not bode well for them. No one is talking treason. Everyone has rights until they infringe on a liberal. I went to bible college. Then I went to war. Where do you think I learned more life lessons? I would sit and listen to men that were supposed to be learning how to teach love argue over there own arrogance. Yes you can make a complete thought in your paragraph. Congrats! Your paragraph still sucks!
Report Post »QweeQwa
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:32pm@Desertrose
Thanks for participating. I have found more intelligence and civility in your posts just on this page then I have found in the last week from 99% of the people who post on here.
Every single topic from the very first post it is more of the same. Hate, juvenile little insults and comments, paranoia and on and on it goes. Every single topic. Enjoy it while it lasts. Glen will shut down the comments section in time because you people are really making him look bad.
Report Post »firstHat
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:50pmDearest DesertRose1960
Glad to know there are other teachers of the English languages here. You will find we are a diverse group around here and some take more time with syntax than others. While I do have advanced degrees earned with honors, where I went to school we were taught that education shouldn’t be a cudgel used against others, but rather a tool toward understanding all people. Thus, if I need clarification because someone’s syntax is lacking, I do ask for it. But if I must ask, then I try to do it in a way that is least embarrassing for either of us. But then, perhaps where I went to school, we were taught manners and your school forgot them.
I don’t know if that makes me a better person, but it might make me easier to get along with and certainly more likely to influence others. One of many interesting things Rajmohan Gandhi discussed on Glenn‘s show tonight was how ego gets in the way of our knowing God’s love. Did you see that show? Can you tell me what else they discussed? What did you think about the continuum his guests tried to build beginning with Moses and ending with Martin Luther King Jr?
What? You didn’t watch it? Well then, how about you just run off and watch it and then come back and tell us all what Glenn is all about. huh? Thanks!
MLRancourt
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 8:18pmDesertRose1960: I see that a lot of your posts are time stamped during the duty day. As a civil servant (and Army vet) I know you are only allowed to do this on your breaks, lunch hour, or after duty hours. Identifying yourself as such during duty hours may be a violation of the Hatch Act.
I rarely get time to take a break or lunch hour. How on earth are you finding the time, especially right before performance review?
Report Post »Freidenker
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 8:31pmDebate is always good. Having people who only accept your message leads to insularity.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:30pmNo, Firstthat, I didn‘t catch Glennie’s show tonight. I was doing other things and there’s only so much noxious gas that I can stand in a day, and besides, the rest of my family has even less tolerance for him and scream and fuss any time I put the show on. I don’t really care what Glennie has to say. He is a snake oil salesman. I don’t know much about Professor Gandhi, I don’t know what his motivation was for coming. Brother Glenn’s Traveling Salvation Show is just an act.
MLRANCOURT, ever here of an RDO?
My original comment was about grammar was made without knowing that Joseph had a learning disability. There are others here who claim no similar problem, but post at similar skill levels. My point was that someone with a problem shouldn’t be calling others names when the same name might be applied to them by other people who are insensitive or equally frustrated. I’m sure you learned those manners leasons well, a regular Gloria Upson.
firstHat
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 12:24amThank you DesertRose1960.
I just wanted to be absolutely sure that you made it absolutely clear to anyone and everyone reading here that you are dismissing Beck without any basis beyond the opinions and short quotes you gather from others. Those of us involved in knowledgeable debate or those truly interested in understanding, generally reach for primary sources rather than founding argument or opinion on hearsay and secondary sources. While you may be somewhat articulate, you have proved that, in fact, you are only able to parrot what others say. (When a student stoops to this I generally call him or her lazy at best or at worst a plagiarist.)
Since you offer only primary evidence of your IGNORANCE on the subject of Beck rather than primary sources concerning Beck, I do think we can all feel comfortable happily dismissing you. (And, I might add, you give us more reason to dismiss you than you give us to dismiss Beck).
Should you want to discuss Beck’s opinions and actions based on primary sources (in context) in the future, I would be more than willing to entertain your arguments. Until then you have hereby revealed yourself as nothing more than a (more than ordinarily articulate) TROLL.
Report Post »Okieflyover
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 12:33amDeserrose????
Hmmmmm.. It seems that Beck backs up his position 4 hours+ per day in a national audience, quotes his reasons for believing what he does and has shown how many times Obama supports what Wallis says and how it is connected to what Rev. Wright and Father Flager (sp) says.
I think the comment above is the most relevant to this….. which “collective” group will I be judged with and by? My church, my office, my family or what? We all have a wayward family member we can think of. Will we be judged by their actions and only get to heaven if they get to heaven too? Will liberals only get to heaven if all partial birth abortionists go to heaven?
Or will I be judged by my actions and my work with others? If you can support collective salvation as Wallis does, you, as a theologian have to understand that your argument only holds if you can take it to the extreme and it still hold up. It does not stand up if you just use it as a liberal shield to keep people from scrutinizing you because you are a “pastor”. Wallis is a self avowed Marxist. If Obama believes and supports the same postions, what does that make him?
Report Post »dazyann010501
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 1:45am@ desertrose1960,
Thank you ME for reinforcing my preconceptions about this site. I was pretty sure that I would be called vile names, and you had to go and prove me right. I believe it’s important to know what the other side is thinking. I listen and observe. Today, I decided to interact. I may change my mind tomorrow. This is a public forum, this is supposed to be for discussion. Apparently, though, you’d just rather hear the echo of your own little group. The problem with echoes is that you never hear anything new.
You on the other hand belittle others and put them down.
DESERTROSE1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:29am
I am quite sure that Reverend Wallis would love to debate a high school graduate who couldn’t manage to finish even one college course on theology. I am equally sure that Glennie would never consent to debate an educated theologian when he couldn’t shriek him down or turn off the microphone. John Adams was right, facts are stubborn things, and the facts are on Rev. Wallis’ side.
You have a right to complain that you are being name called but you are in no means absolved of guilt. If you dish it out then you should be able to take it.
Report Post »Hadassah
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 11:33amRev. Wallis doesn’t understand the facts though, he distorts them. Glenn may not be a theologian and has never claimed to be yet he seems to understand the heart of Christ’ message.
Report Post »Hadassah
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 11:41amDear DesertRose: “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.” A little humility goes a long way and I do believe your points to be valid. It isn’t about Wallis or Beck. It’s about Jesus Christ.
Report Post »attitudijudi
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 3:57pmWell DesertRose – It does not matter if you have a college degree. Look at Bill Gates. Are you another one of those educated idiots from Media Matters or HuffPo? The Rev. James Cone is the founder of black liberation theology. Rev James Cone explains that at the core of black liberation theology is an effort — in a white-dominated society, in which black has been defined as evil — to make the gospel relevant to the life and struggles of American blacks, and to help black people learn to love themselves. It’s an attempt, he says “to teach people how to be both unapologetically black and Christian at the same time.”
Report Post »Jackpine Savage
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 7:38pmWhen I first saw your username desertrose1960, I thought maybe you were a friend of mine from another forum. But it‘s obvious that you’re not, She has working brain cells.
Report Post »ron the veteran
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 11:37pmdesertrose1960
Report Post »point to where in the bible it tells of the hooey you speek of. and if you read our constitution it gives us the right to bring down any government thats tyrantical. call us what you want but facts are facts prove to us your liberal lies. or maybe we best to just ignor idiots like you. all the books smarts in the world dont give you common sence. as we can plainly see.
ReardenSteel
Posted on September 19, 2010 at 5:25pmOkay. Speaking of fishing. Now we have a bite. DesertRose1960.I apologise for having missed the points of contension between you and some of the other posters. I cannot find them on the posts. If you would like a civil discourse on these matters, I can provide one. It would take both of us to get along while we disagree, of course. If you will tell me what your point is I will provide a response that does not berate you. I can get testy as well but only if you are not civil. Would you care to discuss your point with me?
Report Post »FREECOUNTRY
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:15amThis guy needs to go back to theologian school and he needs to put Glenn in context.
Report Post »richard the lion-hearted
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:33amSo Jesus was just some activist, all this time I thought He was the Son of God, our Lord and Saviour…thanks for setting me straight ‘Jimbo’…we all feel dumber for having even listened to your inane remark.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:06amFreedom creates wealth, tyranny destroys and consumes wealth. Wealth must be created before it can be redistributed to accomplish “social justice”; therefore, tyranny (oppression) makes “social justice” impossible.
http://commonsense21c.com/
Beckofile
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:11amJim took his indoctrination well. He is the really really really usefull idiot. Even Stalin would stand up and take notice about how to propagandize. Has anyone told Hugo that this guy exist and may be of assistance?
Report Post »sabichan
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:40amMaybe if Jim and his friends would have spent more time reading the Bible to understand it, rather than looking for words to cut out they would have been able to understand the real point behind Christ’s help for the poor. I’ll give him a hint, it wasn’t the money.
Report Post »Freedomwatcherguy
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:39pmI believe Jesus’ teaching in this matter is unmistakably clear: “My Kingdom is not of this world.”
Report Post »“Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven, and all these things (abundance) will be added unto you.”
“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things which are God’s”
“Lo, the prince of this world cometh, and he hath nothing in me nor I in him.”
He did not undertake any sort of political activism, but demonstrated the powerlessness of sin, disease, death, lack or limitation in the presence of the Christ. He resisted he temptation to have a comfortable human life. He disappointed one of his followers when it became clear he had no plan to lead an insurgency against Roman rule, was betrayed to the authorities and ironically charged with that very crime.
ME
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:19pmDesertRose1960
So glad you are here to enlighten us! I have never had a employee complain about my hand writing spelling or grammar as I hand them a pay check or any other time (weird as 3rd grade would be a compliment). While you where getting that “book learning” people like Rush, Glenn, ME and many other employers must have done something right. Now get off your government computer and do some work.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:51pmHey, ME, I worked for a Major in the Army once. I used to correct his grammar, and when he told me to retype something I knew to be grammatically incorrect, I ignored him. He never noticed the change and signed the regulation anyway. And you have no idea where I am, or what computer I am on. You don’t even know what time of day it is where I am.
Report Post »ME
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 2:54pmsorry above is in the wrong post was meant for the one below. but am I the only one getting sick of the huffington baggers here I hope they do something to grad or change the comments I would like to see what others like me are thinking not what the lib talking points are I can get them anywhere if this dose not change this site will not last long for me I can find other places where I don’t have to read lib dribble in the comments that is only there to incite and adds nothing to the conversation.
DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 3:33pmSo much for free speech, I see, ME. I haven’t been to HuffPo in days, maybe weeks. I haven’t posted in months. Admit it, you only want to know what the ********* echo chamber has to say. The thing is, I want to know what you lot has to say for my own protection. I happen to believe in this country, and I don’t want to lose it to sedition taught by an ingorant and malicious man.
ME
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 4:00pmDesertRose1960
Report Post »If I wanted to hear what a pig has to say I would go to a farm, If I want to hear a stripper I would go to a not-so-gentlemen’s club. They can oink and strip all they want to I don‘t want to stop them I just don’t care to be around it makes me smell funny both:) you are like that pig and striper do your thing I just don’t want to be around it smells funny too. I just wonder why you don’t do it in a place that your superior intellect could be more appreciated???
DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 6:19pmHoosiervet, yes, the allegations in my paragraph do reek. I’m glad that you recognise that many of the Teabaggers are being seditious. I never make the charge lightly. I am actually a big proponent of free speech; but talk of “Second Amendment remedies” and “Second American Revolutions” and proclaiming the you “came unarmed, this time” is not standard free speech. Governments have been brought down by less. I will not stand silent.
I don’t have many service members in my family. I know that my father and father-in-law were both career enlisted. I know that one greatgrandfather served in WWI. My husband and I have been career civil servants, teachers do work for the government, and so are civil servants. Most civil servants will serve their country longer than those in uniform; some of us serve in war zones.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 6:28pmThank you ME for reinforcing my preconceptions about this site. I was pretty sure that I would be called vile names, and you had to go and prove me right. I believe it’s important to know what the other side is thinking. I listen and observe. Today, I decided to interact. I may change my mind tomorrow. This is a public forum, this is supposed to be for discussion. Apparently, though, you’d just rather hear the echo of your own little group. The problem with echoes is that you never hear anything new.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 6:49pmPatty, no, I’m not constipated, but thank you for asking. By the way, that‘s what’s called an Ad Hominem attack. I have not said anything here on any thread or in any post that was not honest. I don’t lie, I’m not good at it. I didn’t call names, I pointed out that someone a problem with writing shouldn’t BE calling other people names.
I’ve spent the majority of my life as a member of the opposition party. I’ve been gloated over by your side for decades. I’ve watched and commented and voted against pseudo-conservative policies for all of them. I was always gracious about it, even when being called names. I don’t care whether you believe me or not. But, I have told the truth. I don‘t care whether you think I’ve been nasty. I have watched this site for days. I’ve been appalled by the behavior and many of the opinions expressed. If I was nasty, forgive me for stooping to the local level.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:18pmSo if you cut out all the mentions of the poor in the bible you obviously will prove jesus was for social justice and liberation theology? I love the switcharoooo on that point. One does not prove the other?
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 7:28pmCan someone answer —Which group do I meet my maker with? Is it my baseball team, coworkers, political party, union or my country men? I am confused?
Report Post »Tracyvain67
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 8:39pmThe core of the gospel is ALL about a just God providing a Mediator so unjust man could be considered just before a just God. That’s not social justice. Christ’s sacrifice offers sinful man liberation from his sin, not liberation from unjust society. If your treasure is an easy life full of earthly things, then your treasure is not Christ / the Gospel and you may need to return to your bible to see if your heart is really in line with who God really is and what His expectations are.
Report Post »Christ tells us to ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Nowhere does he say love yourself, you deserve a break today, go out and get all you can.
*The word for ‘poor’ in Greek (’Ptochos‘) literally means having nothing, reduced to begging, like a beggar, totally broke. (Luke 6:20 uses only ‘poor’ in his version of sermon!)
While monetary poverty can also be inferred from these verses, what Jesus really meant was spiritual poverty.
You can be really poor and yet be arrogant and prideful, or you can be rich and still be poor in the spirit. (King David in Old Testament is great example of this, in spite of being King, he had a humble and contrite heart.)
‘Spiritual poor’ is exactly what it sounds like. It is a state when you realize that you have nothing and need constant help.
*http://bibleseo.com/matthew/beatitudes-blessed-poor-spirit-8-part-series/
This clown is no biblical theologian.
ENBRERA
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 10:20pmConsider this: Christ/God was the originator of SMALL government. In New Testament times, God introduced the “Christian” population to a NEW, and simpler way to follow Him; by doing away with a lot of the harsh and difficult laws of the Old Testament. One could now make contact with God on his own, without going through a lot of sacrifices, etc. Simple governing!
Report Post »Chris G
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 11:25pmIt seems to me that BOTH Mr. Beck & those who believe in Liberation Theology have the same goal, which is for People to help the poor…but the question of HOW is the difference.
Should it be done by CHARITY or by FORCE? Mr. Beck prefers the former. The latter doesn’t work in a Free country.
Report Post »jrock76sd
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 12:48amthis guy is not very well trained in theology either. Its funny he uses this quote of Jesus as this is Jesus‘ proclaiming the fulfillment of the promised messiah by laying claim to Isaiah’s criteria. Being I‘m sure he’s no fan of the Jews. Anyway, it’s not about personal salvation, what about the story of the paralytic being lowered through the roof and what is the first thing Jesus tells him, “your sins are forgiven”, only after that does he tell him to get up and walk. Wallis is so steeped in the liberal theology of the 60‘s he’s lost the Gospel himself as he is mixing up the two kingdoms which leads to a perversion of the true Gospel, as well as a denial of the bound will.
If anyone wants to hear a great critique of modern liberal theology as exemplified by the ELCA here is one of my prof’s telling us we must do the unthinkable, fight against love! This is a true theologian, and a true preacher of the gospel at work:
http://www.lutherancore.org/mp3/100825.4.Paulson.mp3
Report Post »Richard
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 3:00amFirst of all how can anyone try to label GOD in the first place? No man can or has any authority to even speak without JESUS consent period. To label JESUS the Messiah anything other than who HE truly is, is futile.
Job 38:1 “Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?
But ever leader who is not walking in Christ is well you know the Title…and maybe Jim is a false prophet bearing false witness……Glenn maybe staggers on Who JESUS truly is but did Glenn ever claim he was doctrinally sound? I haven’t heard it yet can someone show me this? BUT at least we know the SOVEREIGN GOD is in complete control and Glenn and all who agree with him continue to seek HIS face (JESUS who is God in the flesh) and all these things will be added unto you…is seems to be thus far Glenn has been on the right track accept for some minor blunders in truth but of course who of us in perfect in knowledge???
2 Peter 3:10-17
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.[a]
11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.[b]That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
Report Post »chai
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 7:24amWell, he certainly does not understand orthodox Christian theology, that’s for sure….
Report Post »adifftake
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 7:46amHello,
Report Post »I have news for all of you, especially the likes of Wallis and Beck and any others who think they know. Jesus IS the Son of God.
Jesus Is the Anointed King of God’s Kingdom.
God’s Kingdom is a real government.
The Kingdom has a Ruler who is Appointed by God.
ALL Governments including the United States stand in opposition to God’s Kingdom.
The Planet belongs to Him who made it.
He want’s it back.
You lose.
Remember the illustration of the sheep and goats? ( Matthew 25:31-46 )
Read it and you should realize a very important lesson. Just because someone says, ” I‘m A Christian or I’m a follower of Jesus Christ, does not necessarily make it so.
It is God’s Kingdom that will right all the wrongs, and it is only by excercising faith that Jesus IS, not only was, the Son of God, that allows you to get saved.
Know this people. As Paul so eloquently wrote on many occasions. It is and has always been the undeserved kindness and generosity of Jehovah God, buying us back from sin by the ransom sacrifice of His Son Jesus, that make our hope real. It has always been God’s gift, and your salvation depends solely on the One giving it.
aafriend
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 9:46amLord, make me an instrument of thy peace!
Report Post »That where there is hatred,
I may bring love.
That where there is wrong,
I may bring the spirit of forgiveness.
That where there is discord,
I may bring harmony.
That where there is error,
I may bring truth.
That where there is doubt,
I may bring faith.
That where there is despair,
I may bring hope.
That where there are shadows,
I may bring light.
That where there is sadness,
I may bring joy.
Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort,
than to be comforted.
To understand,
than to be understood.
To love,
than to be loved.
For it is by self-forgetting that one finds.
It is by forgiving that one is forgiven.
It is by dying that one awakens to Eternal Life.
Amen.
BeHeardAmerica
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 9:58amJesus needs to come back, SOON
Report Post »Hadassah
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 11:22amTo Richard the Lion-Hearted, only word applies here, AMEN!
Report Post »Ronrico
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 11:36amDESERTROSE1960
I want to personally thank you for posting on this site. You just don’t know how much you re-inforce my thoughts and insite (that “Glennie” lays out so well) as to where this country is headed if WE THE PEOPLE don’t take a stand and take it back. The Tea Party Movement has awaken millions of people (excluding YOU of course) and come November 2010 and November 2012 you will see what it all means. We will finally be able to begin to put this country back on track as a Constitutional Republic as our founding fathers intended and take it out of the hands of the Progressives that think we have a Democracy. Keep posting! I think everytime you enter a post another 100 people are added to the Tea Party Movement (tea baggers as you like to call them). And just like Jim Wallis, who is a Marxist/Socialist, I think you may fit in that catagory. By the way, why hasn’t the Catholic Church ex-communicated you yet?
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 12:21pmWho’s Jim Wallis???
Report Post »anthonyebaker
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 12:38pmTo Richard TLH, actually I think they are trying to say that Jesus was a community organizer trying to following the path laid out by BHO via Acorn.
Report Post »TheOtherLove
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 4:13pmUmmm did not Jesus himself talk about if you teach a man to fish……not give him a fish, a big screen and a caddie.
Report Post »Jackpine Savage
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 7:22pmHe’s just another marxist trying to hide behind the name “Reverend”
Report Post »God is little mre than a tool to the left, they use him when it’s convenient.
Jackpine Savage
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 7:33pmTo desertrose1960
“”Thank you ME for reinforcing my preconceptions about this site. I was pretty sure that I would be called vile names, and you had to go and prove me right.”"
When you come into a forum and sling around words like *********, you will have to expect replies in kind. You lefties think we’re too dumb to know what the word means, but you’d be surprised at how many intelligent educated p[eople make up the right wing.
Oh and one more thing, When you have to resort to pointing out grammar and jis spelled words, you’ve Already lost the argument.
Report Post »Nice try though, no Kewpie doll for you.
Texas.7
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 8:58pmI agree with so many posters here. If we read the Bible, we realize that Jesus Christ didn’t come to conquer the world, to bring judgment, or justice. (though He will surely come with judgment and divine justice later) Instead, He came with a message of forgiveness and repentance- and paid the price with His own body, so that we could become citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven. People have tried to create “just” societies before, where every aspect of life is controlled and all freedoms are removed. While everything is supposed to be “portioned out” fairly, these experiments usually don’t go down very well. I don’t even know of any Marxist society that we can point to and call “just”. Human domination isn’t usually a good thing, nor is man playing God in deciding how to make everything “fair”. Fairness on Earth wasn’t the message of Christ at all. It was love, mercy, forgiveness and truth. He never forced, and seldom asked. His is a teaching that doesn’t tolerate force, because the Holy Spirit can only come into a believer who freely asks, and freely surrenders self. A believer must do everything voluntarily, so that we offer from the heart. Governmental force under any banner cannot bring about salvation through Christ. God seems to value that “free will” thing…
Love and forgiveness trump retribution. He even forgave the tax collectors- funny that they would especially need forgiveness for laying such a heavy burden on society.
Report Post »ron the veteran
Posted on September 18, 2010 at 11:19pmyeah where in the bible does it say that? it dont! liberation theoligy came from south america so the marxists could worm there way into the church to erode the populations way of thinking. wallis you get my vote for village idiot!
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