Joel Osteen: ‘The Scripture Says That Being Gay Is a Sin’
- Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:05am by
Billy Hallowell
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It was a busy weekend for televangelist Joel Osteen. The popular Christian preacher was in Washington, D.C. on Sunday, where he hosted the massive “Night of Hope” worship event.
In addition to this prayer and worship initiative, Osteen and his wife, Victoria, appeared on “Fox News Sunday,” where the preacher stated his view that homosexuality is a sin, weighed in on the immigration debate and defended himself against claims of utilizing prosperity gospel.
“I’m trying to let people know that, even though there’s difficult times in the country, that God’s good, that he’s on our side and that nothing we face is a surprise to him,” Osteen said of his overall mission. “And when you keep your faith in him, you can have peace in the midst of the difficult times.”
(Related: Pastor Joel Osteen: Romney & Obama Are Christians & I See Mormons as ‘Brothers In Christ’)
Fox News’ Chris Wallace asked Osteen about an allegation that he faces all too often — the notion that the popular televangelist delves too deeply into prosperity gospel and that he is more of a motivational speaker than he is a pastor.
“I do want to motivate people. I want them to be a better parents, to overcome an addiction, to leave their past behind, so I don’t take that as a criticism that I want to motivate people,” Osteen proclaimed. “But everything that I teach is based out of the scripture…my gift is to talk about everyday life.”
He dismissed the notion that his message is rooted in prosperity gospel and stated that his focus is centered upon allowing God to make people the best individuals they can be.
The conversation quickly turned from these subjects to the sociopolitical sphere, as Wallace asked Osteen what he thinks about the nation’s controversial immigration debate. The pastor was more than open about the fact that he has not yet arrived on an appropriate way to handle the complex issue.
“I wish I knew the answer, Chris. It’s so complicated. I’m on the site of mercy, but I do think that you have to secure borders,” the preacher responded. “I don’t know the answer, but I’m always going to fall on the side of mercy.”
Wallace then asked Osteen a familiar question — one that his caused him controversy in the past: “Is being gay a sin?” The preacher didn’t hesitate to share his perspective on the matter.
“I believe the scripture says that being gay is a sin. But every time I say that I get people saying, ‘well you’re a gay hater, you’re a gay basher,’” he said. ”Gays are some of the nicest, kindest, most loving people in the world, but my faith is based on what I believe the scripture says and that’s the way I read the scripture.”
Osteen went on to say that he doesn’t believe homosexuals should be discriminated against. While he’s opposed to gay marriage, he stated his belief that gays should have equal rights when it comes to other issues of inequality.
He caught fire back in January after he provided this same answer, but told talk show host Oprah that he believes a gay person could be accepted into heaven. Additionally, Osteen told CNN’s Piers Morgan back in October that he would be willing to attend a gay wedding.
Watch the most recent “Fox News Sunday” interview, below:
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slowprop26
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:13amWhat about the sort of experimental homosexuality acts that most of us commit in adolescents?
Report Post »Just because we fool around doesn’t mean that we are not Christians does it? You can be too rigid about his i believe.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:22amA. Most of us don’t experiment, even in youth.
Report Post »B. You call it experiment, God calls it sin.
C. Joel’s off by a single word: BEING gay is not a sin (I dispute the very concept of “being” gay anyway), the sin is PERFORMING gay BEHAVIORS: ACTING gay (by which I mean the sexual acts).
D. People who commit sins (i.e. all of us) can BECOME Christians through faith in Christ, repentance, baptism, etc.–some Christians disagree on manner for some of these, but that’s the scriptural list in a nutshell. So don’t excuse yourself for “experimenting”, rather accept that you’re a sinner, and do what it takes to get forgiven, move on, never repeat, and grow in faith and good works.
eternalwolf777
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:23amIt’s not like that. We have ALL sinned in one form or another. The question is not if you’ve ever sinned. The question is, have you repented of that sin; sought Christ’s atonement for that sin; and began following God.
Report Post »BlackCrow
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:27amWhen I was a teenager even a rumor someone had “experimented” with that sort of thing would have gotten you beat to a pulp! Besides we were too busy chasing the girls. Don‘t know what sort of degenerate town you grew up in but that sort of thing doesn’t wash in a lot of this country.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:25amIf God thinks being Gay is a sin, why does he keep on creating more gay people?
The biggest joke is that you Christian continue to violate the other laws of Deut. and Lev., but continue with this one because it validates your own bigotry.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:37amThe Bible is a book of rules designed to help society, stay, well frankly civilized. If you study history, one of the few absolutes, is a society that embraces homosexuality doesn’t stay a civilized society for long. Homosexuality is a mental disorder, like battered mother syndrome, or the stockhome syndrome, where something in the human brain in a large portion of the population, clings to the very things that have caused them pain in the past. Homosexuality is promoted, and reproduced through abuse of children, children that are abused in this manner, while outwardly may seem fairly normal, are in reality anything but, and great harm often follows. As the percentage of these ticking time bombs increases, eventually, they start to explode, and a chain reaction, causes the quick collapse of the society.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:37amEncinom, the joke is your total lack of understanding of God and sin. God does not create homosexuals. He ALLOWS free will.
But why am I even bothering with such a simple answer for such a simple mind…
Report Post »One of the Quiet Ones
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:45amHe is just planting seeds for the future by saying most of us experiment. Part of the merging false stories into history to make it reality.
Report Post »Kankokage
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:45amBeing gay is not a sin, it is a disability. Homosexual acts are a sin, just as extramarital sex is a sin. Don’t judge the person, judge the act.
Exception: being Encinom is a sin.
Report Post »Jefferson
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:50amIf Jesus were here today, he would go and turn over the tables of these two “merchants” of BS.
These two are nothing but a slicker version of Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. If you get deceived by these two sunshine blowers, then you are part of the problem. They are to organized religion what Romnney is to politics. PHONIES!!
Many will be deceived. America had their one chance to get it right, and they blew it.
Report Post »stogieguy7
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:53amSwampy is (by far) the closest to being correct here, so far. The Bible was written as guidebook for society. After all, if we didn’t have any rules, we would live in total anarchy and there would be no such thing as a civilization. Now, I am not a Bible touting guy by any means. But, for a 2,000+ year old book, it remains timely and generally correct to this day.
This is where the “gay” issue comes in. Being “gay” isn’t a sin. However, committing homosexual acts is considered sinning. Just as sexual acts between a man and woman are considered to be sinful. Why sinful? Because if all members of society lived without those inhibitions, you’d eventually have a civilization that is worse than the worst ghettos in New York, LA or Chicago. What’s more, giving a carte blanche to homosexual acts leads to the sort of debauchery that Rome experienced before it’s fall and total collapse. The rise of the “gay” lifestyle has already contributed to quashed birthrates of whites in 1st world countries. You may say that this is a positive thing, but look at the demographic trends (a.k.a. the upcoming third world tsunami) and you can see that the consequences are really quite dire.
Anyhow, there are reasons for everything. I don‘t personally believe that God ’hates’ gays – not at all. But, with His guidance, people long ago recognized that the “LGBT” lifestyle casts a very negative shadow on a society.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:54amof us because your freindships were homosexual influenced…you are a creep to think most experimented in homosexualality.it may have been forced on them by homosexuals but it was not an experiment it was a rape.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:54amsWampy
Report Post »Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:37am
The Bible is a book of rules designed to help society, stay, well frankly civilized. If you study history, one of the few absolutes, is a society that embraces homosexuality doesn’t stay a civilized society for long.
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Funny, early Christians looked to the ancient Greeks. St. Thomas Aquinas looked at the teachings of Plato, Aristotle, etc. to help define Christian morality. So, no if you are a student of history you understand just how bigoted your comment is.
stogieguy7
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:00amOK, I missed the word unmarried in my above comment. Acts between an unmarried man and woman. Just needed to point that out because that is an important distinction.
Report Post »ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:03amI think encinom needs another cup of fecal matter in his system. Seems to be a bit testy today!
Report Post »stogieguy7
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:08amEncinom – “Bigoted”? Really? Are you serious? How so? What swampy said is historically accurate. How in the hell is having a ‘guidebook’ for a society bigoted? So, does that mean that my father was a bigot because he wouldn’t let me drink beer at the age of 14? Is it *bigoted* to say that screwing your neighbor’s wife is a bad idea – for all involved? Because even a brain-dead lib like you can see that the consequences of doing so are never good. How would it be if we were all encouraged to “experiment” and be bisexual? With little inhibition? For one thing, men (being men) rarely say no to things – which led to Rome’s downfall. Families suffer horribly as marriages self-destruct. Children end up having a rudderless upbringing. And the world turns into Compton or the Englewood section of Chicago. Nice.
I recognize that “black and white” rules are no longer understood by the THC-damaged liberal mind. However, shades of gray are far less effective as far as creating rules are concerned.
Report Post »sisserydoo
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:12amMany of us experimented with things like petty theft and underage drinking. That doesn‘t mean we’re not Christians. It also doesn’t make those things okay.
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:20amJoel is a wolf in sheep’s clothing OR he is ignorant and just trying to be politically correct. YES, the act of homosexuality IS A SIN, but his comments that Obama is a Christian really stuns me (See how subtle Satan is? half-truths and blind inaccurate statements).
Joel is a PROSPERITY preacher WHO IS DELUSIONAL. Yes, God wants to bless us but NOT WITH RICHES LIKE HE CLAIMS, just so we, as followers of Christ can be tempted by the devil? Don’t think so, Joel. You are rich because you compromised with the devil, Joel. NOT ONE DISCIPLE AND EVEN JESUS, WAS NOT RICH (Money). And if we are to follow them, then, YOU FIGURE IT OUT. However, if you happen to be rich and do nothing for the kingdom, then I suggest you read Matthew 7 to find out how it won’t benefit you in eternity. When you are a true follower of Christ, you KNOW that money means nothing for the soul and you are more than willing to help others in some way with what God has blessed you with. IT WILL BE WHAT YOU DO ****FOR CHRIST**** THAT WILL BE YOUR REWARDS IN HEAVEN AND NOTHING ELSE….. absolutely nothing else!
Joel will be held accountable to almighty God for the wrong/misinterpretation of scripture he has done in Christ’s name. Yes, he may inherit Heaven (he did accept Jesus), but he may lose a whole lot of rewards for steering God’s people wrong (prosperty, his comments not lining up with scripture, etc). UNDERSTAND?
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:21amHappyStretchedThin: very well put. I agree as a Christian. The ACT of homosexuality IS A SIN, which makes you a SINNER AND IN NEED OF JESUS CHRIST.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:22amENCINOM
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:25am
“If God thinks being Gay is a sin, why does he keep on creating more gay people?”
Wow what a flash of brilliance! Murder must be ok as well because God keeps making murderers!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:22amstogieguy7
No, the Bible is not some sociatal guide book. It is the word of God. Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:23amIs there any kind of evidence that supports the claim that societies that accept homosexuality eventually collapse AS A RESULT of accepting homosexuality? Maybe someone can actually prove this to be the case? As far as our current society, I hardly think we are living in decay; our lives are getting longer, and healthier, we are relatively well-off and few of us are severely lacking in anything. Violent crime is reaching low levels throughout the country. Really, I don’t see any sign of bad times, though I do believe that we are in a tough economic situation. I’m not seeing the connection to homosexuality, however.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:30am2 Tim 3 16
Report Post »All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
rangerp
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:31amENCINOM
2 Tim 2 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
That means there is a wrong way to divide it also
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:36am@ sisserydoo
Whether or not one has sinned is not the issue (see Romans 6:23, “FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.”). Rather, whether someone ackknowledges their sinfulness (less than perfect thought or act), and realizes “For the wages of sin is DEATH, but the GIFT OF GOD is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romas 6:23) And whether said sinner has ackowledge that/those sins and received forgiveness and is striving to no long repeat the sin.
Someone above has already said, BEING a homosexual carries no sin in itself. However, thinking (fanticising) or acting on those homosexual urges is where sin begins.
Sorry Joel O, good try, no prize! For the best response to reconciling with God through His Word and to have the Holy Spirit living in you as a God see John 3:16-17.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:47amCalmvoiceofreason – thank you so much for that post. I love how everyone thinks society and the world are going to hell….they long for some sort of past utopia that never existed. the fact is at this point in time we are healthier, live longer, more people tyhan ever before in this country’s history have access to medicines and food, all crime is the lowest its been in generations. people are just ignorant of history…look back to the 1700s, 1800s, early 1900s. There was genocide, slavery, starvation, women had no rights, extreme poverty of what today we wouldne even understand, rioting, wars, disease. So what that a few gay people get married? Does that effect your life one iota? Dont we all deserve to be happy as long as that doesnt infringe on others rights to their own happiness? A lot of weak minded people here…weak in every way….angry and vengeful, hate filled and jealous of others happiness. People need to take a break from all the partisan BS, go out and hang with friends, be with your community and family. When I do that all i see are good people, hard workers, happy familes. Its sad you all dont see that either….and i live in evil northeast with all of us hell bent liberals. Is it ignorance or blatantly ignoring history and their current surroundings? Where does that hate and anger come from? Are you not happy with your life? Maybe thats a change you need to make internally…stop condemning others, worry about yourself.
Report Post »MrGeek
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 12:30pmI love reading the posts on the Blaze that bring out the religious zealots. Nothing brings them out like homosexuality. One post indicated that he couldn’t see any connection between the fall of previous societies and the spread of homosexuality. Everyone piped up and presented the Romans, however the Romans the dominate society on earth even with rise of what is more accurately described as bisexuality. I think one could make a more distinct case that what lead to the fall of the Roman Empire was its adoption of Christianity. After all, looking back in history what has organized religion brought us, the crusades, the dark ages, the inquisition, the burning of innocent independent minded women as witches. As for Osteen, he’s in it for the money. Just like Sharpton and Jackson are race baters for the money. The bible and other such word of god writings are the products of men, not a god, they are good aids for instructing the masses on how to live as civilized communities, don’t give them any status as in-falable.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 12:41pmstogieguy7
Families suffer horribly as marriages self-destruct. Children end up having a rudderless upbringing. And the world turns into Compton or the Englewood section of Chicago. Nice.
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Yep, Bigotted view of history, you can not even cite to examples. Compton and Englewood, Camden and Newark have their problems because of crime, unemployment, the drug war sending more and more to jail, lack of funding for schools, etc. Homosexuality is not the issue.
Again, you create a relationship between two seperate issues to validate your own bigotry. Rome fell in the west (in continued for hundreds of years later in the east), because of weak leaders and overstretched army. To make the statement that it was homosexuality, without any evidence only shows how weak your argument is.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:05pm@ Encinom
“Again, you create a relationship between two seperate issues to validate your own bigotry. Rome fell in the west (in continued for hundreds of years later in the east), because of weak leaders and overstretched army. To make the statement that it was homosexuality, without any evidence only shows how weak your argument is.”
No Encimom… You assert that the OP is saying that ALL problems associated with those areas are becasue of homosexuality… While the OP is saying that homsexuality CAN cause a broken home for a child which in turn statistically leads to problems down the road… Because you fail to peer outside of the blinders that your ideology has barbarically placed around your head causing tunnel vision, you will continue to suffer through out the rest of your life…
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:12pm@encicom of 10:25
Report Post »Neofan of 11:22 gave your best answer. I’d just like to add that your demonstrated inability to distinguish between behavior and inherent nature is precisely what makes racists racist, sexists sexist, and all other forms of bigot bigoted. You stand revealed.
@ChildoftheKing
Thanks for the mention. Can I also offer some food for thought? Matthew was a wealthy tax-collector, Luke was a wealthy physician, and Peter was a wealthy businessman (few fishermen owned their own boats in the day). The LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not the money itself. Prosperity is a natural consequence of living correct principles, which include using means as tools to bless others.
@CalmReason, RealityDose, and Encicom of 12:41
Swampy’s right, but incomplete. Civilizations fall due to immorality of which homosexuality is only one manifestation. It may not be the direct cause, but when the symptom is present, it signals a tendency toward immorality in other areas as well. Just because materialist historians choose to ignore certain types of data in their analyses doesn‘t mean they’re not pertinent factors–just that the historians refuse to explain them. Weak armies and weak leaders are ALSO the natural consequences of immorality leading to weak families, rampant selfishness, oversexualization, and other signs of weakness in our own society. The antidote is Christ’s forgiveness and teachings.
maccow
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:16pmThroughout the bible God uses the husband and wife theme as an example of the relationship between Christ and His Church. This is one way that homosexuality destroys what God intends for us to use as a way to better understand Him and our relationship with His Son.
Report Post »“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.” Ephesians 5:31-32
Second; Homosexuality is just one of many “lifestyle” choices that separate us from God. I doubt that many thieves are praising and lifting up the name of God as they are breaking into a stranger’s house. The same is true about homosexual behavior, murder, adultery, lying, etc. and the bible calls these lifestyles sins. Living in sin means making lifestyle choices that we choose over the Christ centered lifestyle that God intends for us. Jesus doesn’t want to be just one lifestyle choice on a list of your ten favorite lifestyles. Jesus wants to be number one on a list of one.
The Christ lifestyle involves a true loving relationship unlike anything else the world has to offer. Satan doesn’t want us in that relationship so he mischaracterizes it as hate, intolerance, bigoted, and homophobic. Those who have chosen Christ as their only lifestyle are still flawed human beings, but the Christ that we are in a relationship with is perfect.
nueces
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:41pmBe real. We sin every day. Jesus made it clear that even thoughts can be sin. All a Christian has to do is see the sin. Call it for what it is. Ask God to help him stop doing it. Do all you can to stop doing it. What we have done in the past, especially before we were saved … cannot preclude us from God’s Grace and Salvation.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:46pmRead Leviticus 20:13
“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
God did not tolerate such actions thousands of years ago. Do you think the unchangeable God accepts it today? NO!
Report Post »JRook
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:58pmI would say this guys true level of faith is inversely related to the income he enjoys from those who send him money to do “gods work”. How is making him rich…. god’s work. Similar to real churches these celebrity evangelists should be required to live on modest, fixed incomes.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:59pmDon’t remember Jesus charging this much to spread the word. And it was his word.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:02pmencinom
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:25am
“If God thinks being Gay is a sin, why does he keep on creating more gay people?”
He doesn’t. They’re responsible for their own condition. Nobody else. To try to allege it’s a condition that involves a victim is flat out wrong. Homosexuality is a mental disorder. Very, very few…if any….are “born that way,” though they would love for you to think that is true, because it aides them in maintaining that they’re helpless victims. And my, my, my, don’t so many people nowadays just love being thought of as victims?
Too, opposing homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with religion. The VERY STRONG imbeded trait that is within all normal people involves the perpetuation of the species and the rejection of anything that is in opposition to this.
A feeling of disgust and revulsion about homosexuality is quite normal, and people should stop allowing the liars and manipulators to fool them into thinking they are somehow evil or outside the mainstream if they oppose unnatural, sodomous relationships.
The most vicious, hateful people in this society are hateful homosexuals who despise Christians. Just look at the hateful, vicious attack by the homosexual Savage, hysterically railing about Christians in a profanity-laced spiel of hate.
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they had degenerated into sodomy and bestiality, both of which come about through societal degeneration.
Report Post »VoteBushIn12
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:03pm@Everyone who thinks they know anything about scripture
The only places where God denounces homosexuals acts is in Leviticus – the same book he made all 618 Commandments. The other things that makes one unclean mentioned in that same chapter are not keeping Kosher, not remembering Shabbos, Wearing clothes of mixed linens, Shaving the corners of your beard, etc.
If you believe Jesus came and cleansed all of mankind through his sacrifice (thereby nullifying the original commandments) you must also accept that Homosexuality was included therein. I challenge you to find me ONE citation in the New Testament where Jesus explicitly denounces homosexuality.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:08pmMcsledge – you moron – lets see you come down upon those who eat shellfish, or those who sow different crops in the same field, or use two seperate matierials to make clothing. Until I see posts on this site critical of red lobster, the gap and every local farmer – so us all a favor and shut your bigoted mouth you lying hypocrite.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:18pmENCIDIOT…by all means sport…show me the genetic pointer to homosexuality.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:21pmWhy is it homosexuals always spew hate about Christianity when the other religions of the world think it is abominable as well?
Whether it is Islam where homosexuals are killed, or Buddahism which rightly looks on it as a perversion as does Hinduism, or sikhism and Judaism, there are no praticers of any of the faiths who truly accept homosexuality as anything other than an unnatural condition like drug addiction or alcoholism.
Just as the storm of propaganda and Orwellian tactics overwhelmed the psychiatric associations, so too are these same rabid homosexual activists trying to mainline their illness, and have been successful in duping some sects of religion into accepting them.
If they ever gain acceptance, they will then insist that everybody engage in the unnatural practice, and, if they do not at least give lip service to it, they will be demonized as a hater and spit upon by these same “loving people,” who are no more than monsters in disguise.
Are people really that gullible and stupid they allow propagandists to turn them any way they want to?
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:33pmIndependent said: “If they ever gain acceptance, they will then insist that everybody engage in the unnatural practice, and, if they do not at least give lip service to it, they will be demonized as a hater and spit upon by these same “loving people,” who are no more than monsters in disguise.”
Are you serious? If people accept gays for what they are, they are going to insist everyone do it? Ok, im getting more and more convinced that the vast majority of people on this site are either delusional or just have a very, very low ability to reason and think. You are a 100% complete moron
Report Post »concernative
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:41pm@VOTEBUSHIN 12
Report Post »As anyone who does have knowledge of scripture will tell you, Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. The New Covenant does not replace the law, it provides us with the act of redemptive mercy to allow us to be washed completely clean. Should we then follow it in its entirety? No as we are told this is impossible. Faith in Christ fulfills the law. (Romans 3:31) But it does not change the fact that anything we do that is sinful is enough to separate us from a perfect and Holy God.
So that being said, ANY acts we choose (1 Peter 4:3) to do that are defined by Jesus or any apostle as sexual immorality is a sin. That is pre-marital sex, homosexuality, adultery etc. That is condemned innumerable times throughout the NT.
AvengerK
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:42pmVOTEBUSHIN….Jesus reiterates the T’orah and states clearly that ONLY union blessed by God is the union of a man and woman.
Report Post »“And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.). Nope…can’t find anything where he says homosexuality is ok. But your problem is the apostles VOTEBUSHIN. ..Jesus CLEARLY says that what they say is given through God’s divine authority.
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for he will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you” (John 16:12-15.)
Romans 1:26 -For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
See that VOTEBUSHIN? It explicitly denounces homosexual acts. Thanks for playing BUSHIE.
Favored93
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:44pmHey encinom you ignorant tool I thought you finally went away have not seen you for a while.
Report Post »BTW the NT (New Testament) also says being a homosexual pervert is sinful. It also says fornication and adultery are sinful (that’s heterosexual sin). It is just as sinful to be in bed with the opposite sex if you are not married to them. In the OT (Old Testament) if you committed adultery (heterosexual sin) you were to be stoned to death just like the homosexual. You see we have equal rights in God’s kingdom. I have the right to be a gay pervert or a straight pervert and the consequences are the same.
I hope this helps clarify things for you. You may want to study a bit before you speak your ignorance is heart breaking!!!
AvengerK
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:45pmDOSEOFREALITY…can you tell me why GLSEN (the organization founded by Kevin Jennings Obama’s “Czar of safe schools”..and a militant homosexual) wants to teach f#sting to school age children of you believe the homosexual agenda doesn’t want to make it “ok” for everyone to indulge in homosexual practices?
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:56pm@ VoteBushIn12 For starters Jesus never addressed every sin… ie tax evasion or credit card fraud. Does it mean He condones this type of behavior? He also never condemned bestiality or pedophilia… does it mean He endorsed those too?
Second of all when Jesus addressed the only reason for divorce (fornication) He was talking about a marriage between a man and a woman leaving no room for any other type of relationship. Let’s put it this way, if I ask you to bring me an orange do I have to tell you, “Don’t bring me an apple, don’t bring me grapes, don’t bring me cantaloupe, don’t bring me a squirrel, don’t bring me a hubcap etc?” No because you were given a specific command with a specific object, leaving no room for any other. So yes, Jesus did speak out about homosexuality (and every other sexual perversion) when He stated marriage as being between a man and a woman, leaving no room for any other type of relationship.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:00pmStill waiting ENCIDIOT….can you please show me the genetic pointer to homosexuality?
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:04pm@VoteBushIn12
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:03pm
@Everyone who thinks they know anything about scripture
The only places where God denounces homosexuals acts is in Leviticus…
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You have either INTENTIONALLY ignored New Testament Bible and so are a liar or you have NEVER read the Bible and so are speaking out of complete ignorance and should not be speaking here at all.
I will do you a favor and give you a New Testament Bible verse about homosexual behavior.
“1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. ”
You see the Christian faith agrees with the Jewish faith were sin is concerned. Sin is not temptation to do evil it is the doing of evil that is sinful. “Being” gay is not a sin but having homosexual relationships is sinful and totally disgusting just as heterosexual sin is disgusting and yes even heterosexuals sin the same way when we have sex outside it’s rightful place.
Read a little more before you talk it will do you a world of good :)
jhp230gr45
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:28pmIt’s a condition of the heart….If you’ve came to repentance for a particular sin, in this case being gay, God can forgive and your sin is no longer held against you as long as you have earnestly and honestly turned from that sin. Remember that God loves us regardless of where we‘ve been and it’s where we‘re going is what he’s concerned with.
Report Post »It does not mean you will not stumble because we as humans can never be perfect…but God is concerned about where your heart is and if you are repentant in realizing that you have sinned…This is the conviction of the Holy Spirit that Jesus had promised us to leave for us to hold faith to and abide in.
If you committed some adolescent sin of the past ( and who hasn’t ) you can be forgiven as you know it‘s wrong now and only through God’s forgiving grace can we remain strong in knowing that his promise of forgiveness is there.
naed5048
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:38pmthe bible also says that eating unclean meat is an abomination of mankind…. pork, shell fish, catfish, . So what do ya do about that. and most of all. keeping the sabboth holy (Saturday)….hippakrits all of you
Report Post »VastRightWingConspirator
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:51pmENCINOM
Report Post »Your continuous angry outbursts about Christians is an obvious sign that God is calling to you. I will set aside time for you in my prayers tonight. I hope you allow God into your life for just a moment, because that moment will become a lifetime. Don’t worry about being scared, all of us repentant sinners were scared at first, but the love and comfort of Christ will quickly overcome that fear and then you will have nothing to fear ever again. I would be happy to help you any way I can. God bless you.
VastRightWingConspirator
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:56pmSTOGIEGUY
Report Post »God doesn’t “hate” anyone. He showed us his love through Jesus’s sacrifice, the sinless died for our sins because “the wages of sin is death” so Jesus paid that price so we can see Heaven. But, don’t forget that lusting in you mind is also a sin as is extramarital sex with any gender. Hate is a sin as is murder.
rangerp
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:57pmVoteBush12
You are wrong again
From Romans Chapter 1
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:59pmnaed5048
check out Romans 14:14-15
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:07pmDoseofReality
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:33pm
“Independent said: “If they ever gain acceptance, they will then insist that everybody engage in the unnatural practice, and, if they do not at least give lip service to it, they will be demonized as a hater and spit upon by these same “loving people,” who are no more than monsters in disguise.”
“Are you serious? If people accept gays for what they are, they are going to insist everyone do it? Ok, im getting more and more convinced that the vast majority of people on this site are either delusional or just have a very, very low ability to reason and think.”
Yes, we had people like you in the military who were clumsy dorks who couldn’t maintain cadence and were constantly “out-of-step.” And, like you, they delusionally perceived that everyone was out of step but them.
There’s your world, then there’s the real world. Yours is a rainbow utopia where all the flakes, oddballs, kooks and misfits run things and are dominant. They’re on a downhill track to oblivion, yet they see themselves as quite the debutants, unaware, of course, that they’re no more than out-of-touch blithering idiots who are part of the degenerates who try to make mental illness the norm.
Too bad you can’t move to a Muslim country so you can get the maximum benefit from the love and tolerance of Sharia law.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:24pmENCIDIOT…I’m still waiting…can you give me the genetic pointer to homosexuality? You said that God keeps making homosexuals didn’t you? Well it stands to reason that there must be a genetic pointer for homosexuality. Yes? So where is it?
Report Post »I say homosexuals make themselves. I say this by restating the position of the American Psychiatric Association who until the 1970′s said the same. It was homosexual advocacy lobby groups, NOT clinical research that forced them to remove homosexuality from their list of psychological disorders.
Favored93
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:26pm@naed5048
Report Post »Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:38pm
the bible also says that eating unclean meat is an abomination of mankind…. pork, shell fish, catfish, . So what do ya do about that. and most of all. keeping the sabboth holy (Saturday)….hippakrits all of you
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Acts 10:12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”
15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common or (*unclean).” NKJV (* I added that for clarification)
And to your second point about the sabbath (Saturday) It starts at sundown FRIDAY and ends sundown Saturday just to clarify.
The Sabbath should probably be kept I won’t argue with you about that but I will give you this to think about….Was the sabbath made for men or men for the sabbath? Does it matter what day we take off and spend that day reflecting on all that our God has done for us? Legalism kills people but grace frees them. Now I do have bible to back me up on this but not the room. Jesus himself addressed this issue read up on it.
Read before you post. Your ignorance is embarrassing.
tommyB
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:33pmOh man! I must have missed that day when all the experimenting with gayness went down…..
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:41pm“The biggest joke is that you Christian continue to violate the other laws of Deut. and Lev., but continue with this one because it validates your own bigotry”
Wow, just wow. The complete unadulterated ignorance is astounding. Be glad Christians don’t follow the OT law, we’d have to stone you! Not to mention sending our wives away while they’re minstrating (although, maybe not a bad idea)
A christianity 101 class would be useful.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:53pmTOMMYB…the “experimenting” thing is just the homosexual lobby trying to normalize homosexuality to children. If they get more kids to buy into the “experiment” meme then what was once abnormal practice all of a sudden becomes a “normal”one. This is why groups like GLSEN want to teach school age children extreme sex acts like f#sting. Because we all know how normal that is among heterosexuals right? I mean..everyone’s son or daughter gets a good f#sting at the prom right? And let me remind you Obama’s “Czar of Safe Schools” (Orwell is laughing right now) Kevin Jennings-a militant homsexual- is behind the “bullying” hilarity that’s going on with schools right now..and wait for it…Jennings is a founder of GLSEN. No..it’s not a coincidence. Children are the agenda of the homosexual groups. Warp, indoctrinate and de-sensitize children to homosexual habits now and they‘ll grow up thinking it’s all “normal” later. Kind of like the criticisms lobby groups throw at the cigarette companies for targeting youth. Get them early and they’re hooked for life regardless of the safety concerns.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:55pm@maccow
Report Post »Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:16pm
Throughout the bible God uses the husband and wife theme as an example of the relationship between Christ and His Church. This is one way that homosexuality destroys what God intends for us to use as a way to better understand Him and our relationship with His Son.
“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.” Ephesians 5:31-32
Second; Homosexuality is just one of many “lifestyle” choices that separate us from God. I doubt that many thieves are praising and lifting up the name of God as they are breaking into a stranger’s house. The same is true about homosexual behavior, murder, adultery, lying, etc. and the bible calls these lifestyles sins. Living in sin means making lifestyle choices that we choose over the Christ centered lifestyle that God intends for us. Jesus doesn’t want to be just one lifestyle choice on a list of your ten favorite lifestyles. Jesus wants to be number one on a list of one.
The Christ lifestyle involves a true loving relationship unlike anything else the world has to offer. Satan doesn’t want us in that relationship so he mischaracterizes it as hate, intolerance, bigoted, and homophobic. Those who have chosen Christ as their only lifestyle are still flawed human beings, but the Christ that we are in a relationship with is perfect.
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holycow
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 5:00pmYour comment is very scary. Tell a falsehood enough times and people believe it.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 6:24pm@ETERNALWOLF777
Spot on!!!
My first job is to love God.
My second is like unto it; Love y’all.
One way to show love is to point the way to heaven, through teaching, preaching and example.
The rest is up to Him to sort out, but I won’t be held guiltless unless I do my best – even though I come up short, Jesus will make up the rest for me if I believe in Him.
Report Post »blueeyesbrowneyes
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 6:34pmSpeak for yourself buddy!
Report Post »Granny58
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:05pmOK, I’m a Christian and know homosexuality is a sin and all that. HOwever, I thought the Roman empire fell because of lead pipes for the water supply and resources overstretched across Europe.
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:39pmSin is sin. All fool around when they are kids?? Quite a revealing comment. Gods Word says it is sin, and unless one repents[changes their ways] and accept forgiveness through the shed blood of Christ we stand condemned. Osteen is a FALSE teacher, and stands condemned by his own words on previous T V appearances. He is a PROVEN liar, and changes his words depending on where he is appearing. He is a blab it and grab it preacher. He has stated there is commonality with Mormonisn, Islam etc. There is NONE. He will be judged VERY harshly for misleading the flock, as Gods’ word says. I pray he,and his wife will repent, ask for forgiveness from their flock, and from the Lord.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:58pmnaed5048
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:38pm
the bible also says that eating unclean meat is an abomination of mankind…. pork, shell fish, catfish, . So what do ya do about that. and most of all. keeping the sabboth holy (Saturday)….
***hippakrits***
all of you
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And I thank you for your scholarly opinion, kind sir. Your knowledge of Christianity appears to be on par with your proficiency at spelling.
Report Post »oldguy99
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:10pmGay means happy,frivolus,lite-hearted-NOT a synonym for homosexuality,TAKE THIS WORD BACK!!! Being homosexual is not a crime, the ACT of homosexuality IS
Report Post »InversionTheory
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:18pmAh… Everyone’s favorite debate!
The social planners, left and right, are equally convinced that they have it right and create that perfect utopia if only we give in to their demands. For background — I’m a gay man and atheist. From my perspective, it is more important to create a society of minimized hypocrisy. You’re gay? Fine. Be gay, as gay as you feel the need to be. Wanna be a Marxist? A scriptural literalist? Young Earth Creationist? Go for it. Stop hiding. Stop pretending you love your neighbor as you love yourself or that you really believe a “progressive” tax system is “fair.”
I did a fair amount of experimenting in my youth. I was a Green, a Marxist, even a National Socialist (yeah…a Nazi). I’ve struggled with feeling same-sex attraction and wanting to be “normal.” I felt shame for who I am and how I viewed the world. I’ve been a Christian believer….I’ve been an agnostic… I even did a few Eastern religions…I’ve been an atheist.
I can be content no longer. My questions took me to places where experts could give me no answers and I decided to embrace what I found until I have a better explanation.
To those who have never experienced it… Imagine that everyone around you passionately believes that 2 plus 2 is 5 and you alone know it is 4. That is what it feels like to be gay…or an atheist. Everyone tells you they know better than you. And you’d laugh, if you weren’t so busy feeling sorry for them for not see
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:25pmInversionTheory
We Bible believers know that 2+2 is four. We know that man plus woman = marriage. We know that man + man = an abomination and 64% of the nations syphilis, 70 of last years new HIV cases, 1/3 of the nations child molestations, highest suicide rates, and way higher drug and alcohol abuse rates.
Go back to math class, and you will figure it out.
Report Post »VoteBushIn12
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:47pmYou can read into it however you want, but realize Jesus nor his apostle, does or says anything to single out the homosexual.
The verbage he uses relates to all sexually promiscuous, not just homosexuals – that is my point.
Did you know a sodomite is not a homosexual, it is anyone that engages in non-******* sex? This includes, heterosexual anal, oral, handjobs, or even masturbation.
If you have ever engaged in any of these acts you are just a deplorable in the eyes of God as a homosexual.
Stop judging and realize a homosexuals that accepts his sin and gives himself to Jesus will be joining you at God’s right.
If you fail to realize this you are not only a bigot, but also not a true Christian.
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:47pmSatan wants the world to believe that not even with Gods grace is it possible to obey Gods
Report Post »Commandments.. So instead of keeping Gods Commandments you just have to get out from under them. So just believe in your heart and confess with your mouth and you render Gods Commandments null and void and nothing you ever do or say can make you lose eternal life. As a matter of fact in your new enlightened and “saved” state you can even infallibly declare to God Himself that you have eternal life. In effect you have ruled that Gods Commandments are no longer binding and you strip God of His authority to judge you and instead choose to judge yourself. From that point on YOU determine what is objectively right and wrong and declare that regardless of what you do you can never lose eternal life. In effect you have recreated God in YOUR own image. There’s just one problem, something called the inspired word of God aka scripture aka the Bible. 1 John 2:4 “The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him” Hebrews 10:26 “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left” Romans 2:13 “For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous” (Matt 7:21), (Eph 5:3-12),
(1 Cor 6:9), (1 Cor 10:13), (1 John 1:6-7), (3 John 1:11), (1 Peter 3:12), (James 1:12-15),(James 2:24) G
Blammo
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:47pmThinversionFairy-
Be proud of being a queer all you want. But be honest about it.
Report Post »You like another man’s banana in your tail pipe… and/or your mouth.
It’s not that you like to put your banana there. (you do) But that works with a female too.
So the only thing that makes you a homosexual male is that you like a dirty donk in your mouth.
MartinX
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:56pmThe Bible was written by homophobic men…no wonder it is a homophobic rag.
Report Post »mlcblog
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 2:27amIt is about behavior. What we do is not what we are.
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 7:05amSex is oneness and Love is selflessness. Male and female come together and cease to be self and become one and therefore reflecting the Oneness of the Spirit of Life and therefore bring Life into this physical world. Life’s nature is oneness. The Hebrew words for God is Elohim and YHVH both have male and female essences but without sexual organs. Elohim is God male and female and His messengers. God the Father impregnates His wife the Holy Breath (the Holy Spirit) with the word and the Holy Spirit carries and brings forth the son (Jesus the living word). The Father cannot speak without the word (the son) and uses His holy breath (the Holy Spirit) and the son the word can do nothing without the Holy Breath to carry the word and the Holy Breath cannot not do anything without the Father who breaths the breath this is continuous Oneness of Spirit. Spirit is selfless and imageless and that is what Jesus reflected perfectly by humbling the self and now his body on this planet must do the same. All are completely submitted to the other but none the less it is the Father who speaks the word. Eve was already part of Adam spiritually reflecting God but had no physical body yet. Adam was the male physically having a penis so and Eve was already part of Adam Spiritually but Adam needed the physical Eve the female to experience that oneness physically. Eternity is not a segment of time but simply non-relative Oneness with the Eternal One. There is no eternal place of torment but one day
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:16amYo Encinom;
“The biggest joke is” …how many times (God only knows) you have been corrected, yet you STILL repeat the same mistake.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:30amYo Votebushin12:
Report Post »The ENTIRE bible is God’s Word first off.
Any repentant person can enter the Kingdom, no matter what the sin.
Any non repentant person will NEVER enter the Kingdom.
Genesis also clearly speaks to the creation of a man and a woman and the intended difference and purpose. Jesus Himself used these verses to address this issue.
PATTY HENRY
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 11:05amJEFFERSON: SIT ON IT. JOEL AND VICTORIA OSTEEN are the real deal, not the phony baloney Jimmy and Tammy Faye. Joel is a great motivator helping people understand what GOD is saying in the Bible and relating it to everyday life. He is the one place you can go for encouragement. He has never professed to be a Biblical Scholar but a person who points out the many positives our Bible gives us, things that people under stress forget or haven’t yet seen. I know some people would like to taint the Osteens because of their success and following but they have totally missed the mark.
Report Post »I’m Catholic and support the OSTEENS as contributors to my positive attitude. It’s worthwhile watching.
glassbeadlady
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 12:46pmLet us go with what the Bible says: Romans 1
Report Post »God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved
mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no
mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Get it? Sounds like OWS too.
scarebear83
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 3:06pmVoteBushin12- It’s a stretch to say Jesus nor His Apostles said anything about homosexuality when in reality they did. It’s there in the scriptures, people just simply refuse to read it as such and thus turn it into what they think or feel it should say. As far as judging goes a Christian is supposed to expose the darkness (Eph. 5:11) that’s why a Christian is the light of the world (Matt. 5:16). A Christian is not allowed however to be a hypocritical judge. They first must take care of their own sin before they can tell the other person not to engage in theirs (Matt. 7:3-5). In order to do as Jesus commanded (go unto all the world and preach) sin must be exposed and that includes homosexuality. It‘s not being a bigot but rather it’s seeking and saving the lost. It’s love. Love for a complete stranger that you’d want to spend eternity with them.
@ Favored93- The Sabbath, being part of the law of Moses, was not given to gentiles nor was it even given to Adam, Noah, or Abraham but only to the children of Israel. Since we are no longer under the law of Moses we are not under the command to keep the Sabbath. The day that was set aside for both jew and gentile to come together to worship was Sunday. We see this on the day of Pentecost (Sunday) when the Holy Spirit came down upon the group that was gathered in Acts 2. Jesus nailed the handwriting of requirements that was against us (Col. 2:14), this includes ALL of the law of Moses which includes the Sabbath command.
Report Post »carlmarksmith
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 6:17pmlol you said “rigid”.
Report Post »carlmarksmith
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 6:23pm“Encinom, the joke is your total lack of understanding of God and sin. God does not create homosexuals. He ALLOWS free will. But why am I even bothering with such a simple answer for such a simple mind…”
The joke is your total lack of understanding of human sexuality. You can’t control your attraction. To say you can means you, YOU, are a bisexual and equally attracted to both sexes and you “picked one”. Did you? Did you pick one? No you didn’t. It just happened. Why do you think it’s different for anyone else? As for “free will”, God sees the future. why does he create millions of people knowing in advance they are going to hell? You can‘t use ’free will”: he still knows in advance where your free will is going to lead you. Fact: religion is ridiculous. And it’s not your job to stop others from being happy. Shut up.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:11pm@ CarlMarkSmith- “You can’t control your attraction.” Then by your own words pedophiles can‘t help who they’re attracted to or those who love their pets can‘t help it either so it should be ok to allow them to do whatever they want cause they can’t help it, right?
“Did you? Did you pick one? No you didn’t. It just happened” Some choices are easier to make than others. Like Susie over here can look at a casino and not think once to go in and gamble while John Boy might look at it, think and then decide to spend all his hard earned money. They both had choices but one decided to delve into that choice. The other one simply was not interested. It does not mean John Boy had a predisposition to gamble, he was simply lured to it by his own choice. Same with sexuality or any other choices out there. Some can walk by and pay no attention to it while others might find it alluring, based upon choice, not that they were born that way (to say so would mean murderers and racists and thieves are born that way and simply cannot help who they are).
“You can‘t use ’free will”: he still knows in advance where your free will is going to lead you.” Just because God knows the future does not mean He creates you simply so you can be condemned. He still leaves the choice totally up to you and that a person is not predestined to go to hell. A person can change if they want to. God doesn’t make you so you will perish in fact God is not willing that any should perish!
Report Post »morningbird1
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 12:54amA few simple observations to both sides of the tracks i.e. Those of the Christian faith and to the skeptics or non-believers.
Report Post »1.) If you claim to be a “Christian” you are claiming to be a direct and committed follower of Jesus Christ Himself. To simply throw scripture around at others who are non-believers or skeptics and then make a disparaging remarks towards them due to your frustration or self righteous nature is not reflecting Christ whatsoever! In fact you are are treating others completely the opposite as Christ would.
2.) Why is so much time spent on illustrating that homosexual acts are sinful? Yes the Bible does clearly state that, as well as many many other types of sin…. let us not forget that God Himself sees no difference between Homosexual sin and the sin of deception, lusting, stealing etc…they all have equal penalty= spiritual death…
3.) For Skeptics and Non Believers, Please don’t cherry pick scripture. When aspects of the scripture are taken completely out of historical or theological context they can be twisted, even if only slightly, into some thing is completely misleading and not truthful. Case in point the Bible itself illustrates this very thing when Satan tempts Christ in the Desert by quoting scripture, out of context and in misleading ways to try and paint a false and untruthful picture to tempt Christ to sin… Christ was triumphant of course, but only after replying back with scripture in context and its truthful form, not twisted
Dismayed Veteran
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:04amI am Roman Catholic. This means I don’t rely on sola scriptura as the foundation of my faith. My wife and I do watch Joel Osteen but have two very different opinions about him.
I find him a good motivational speaker. However, I have always been leery of TV Evangelists because I believe that their ministry is based on the cult of the personality. I have always argued that a person doesn’t not attend church because the priest, pastor, minister has a gift of the blarney stone. I also don’t like the direct appeal for money tied to a minister giving you a blessing. This is how my church got off track and led to the Reformation.
My wife believes he is a motivational minister who provides clear guidance to his congregation.
I get my “world view” of evangelical protestant from tv and movies so I don’t get a true view. I have attended Episcopal and Lutheran services but they are not sola scriptura churches either.
On the upside, Osteen never directly asks for money and always tells tv watchers to join a bible-based church.
I think that many of us hate the sin. With the history in my church, I tend to fight against hating the sinner also since they have created even more protestent animosity against the Roman Catholic church.
Report Post »marjorie faye
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:20amI would encourage you to rely solely on Scripture for your doctrine. Christ did. He quoted Scripture all day long every day. He told his followers to seek truth, and then he stated that God’s word is truth. People’s ideas… including those of popes… come and go with the wind, but the Scripture just keeps on saying the same thing. And at this point is when I hear the argument that people interpret Scripture differently. Well, let God be true and every man a liar, which is something Scripture says. We have to examine people’s motives for how they interpret scripture before accepting what they teach about it. Better yet, read it and carefully study it for yourself. Then you will be better equipped to sift through what people claim it says. Christ established Scripture as truth from God. It was written through the Holy Spirit. There are a lot of errors and excesses in certain branches of Protestantism too. You have to sift through those also. Jesus revealed in the parable of the wheat and the tares that this would be the case in the church until His return. So, stick cotton in your ears so you cannot hear what the TV preachers and the popes are saying and study the Bible for yourself.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:36amBetter yet, read it for yourself so you can be criticized for not interpreting it the way Marjorie thinks you should.
Report Post »WhatDoYouKnowJoe
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:12am+JMJ+ ( Jesus, Mary, & Joseph prayers )
@Marjorie Faye and Others,
I am nearly 50 yrs old. I grew up Jewish an I became a Roman Catholic 14 yrs ago. They key to what I am about to say here is that I practice my faith devoutly. I pray the Rosary. It is a sure defense against heresy. Anyone can use scripture to support a point of view. 30 – 40 thousand different Protestant churches who consider themselves bible only based churches indicate that Scripture only does not tell the whole story. The word ‘bible’, ‘trinity’, and ‘Catholic’ ( the term by the way means universal ) are not in the bible. St. Paul told us told hold on to your traditions( given by The Holy Spirit ) passed down by word of mouth or in writing. He also says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth. Catholics( Christians ) for the hundreds of years did not have personal copies of scripture. The advent of the printing press changed this. The Catholic church is the only that was founded by our Lord. It is historical fact. All one has to do is to apply intellectual honesty. I have been healed by priests, so has my daughter. I suggest reading about the saints. St. Vincent Ferrer, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Philomena, St Anthony of Padua, too many to list. The Pope, the vast majority of the time, speaks words of great spiritual depth. One cannot look at one side of an issue without examining the other. This is what it means to be intellectually honest.
God Bless,
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:23amLove the sinner, hate the sin. I agree. However, the Bible also tells us to not have anything to do with those who continue to sin. PRAY FOR THEM, but keep your distance.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 12:57pmFoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:36am
Better yet, read it for yourself so you can be criticized for not interpreting it the way Marjorie thinks you should.
Better yet… Call yourself an athiest and attack everyone in a religious thread simply because they do not believe like you…
Genius…
Report Post »nueces
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:49pm“You make void the Word of God by your traditions”
“Heaven and earth shall pass away but My Word shall never pass away.”
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:11pmHOLEATHEIST…your hatred of christians it noted. No go back to trying to create a secular society..you know like those great humanist regimes…Stalin’s Russia, Hitler’s Germany, Khmer Rouge, Maoist China….ad nauseum.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:30pm@WHATDOYOUKNOWJOE
You are factually wrong on so many levels. Let me start by saying I like catholics and I know you guys are very defensive about your religion but, you’ve stated things that are factually false. First, Jesus did not start the catholic church. It was started by Constantine. 5 minutes of studying the pagan Roman culture and you will see the similarities to catholocism. Secondly, the worship of Mary and saints is blasphemy. Mary confessed to her own sinfulness when she said to Jesus, “My Saviour and my God”, only sinners need a Saviour. Salvation is by the Grace of God alone through faith in His Son. Sacraments do nothing. Just because people translate things differently is irrelevant. The author had a specific meaning. The reason the catholic church kept that scriptures out of the hands of the lay people is because they suddenly realized how much at odds with scripture their religion was. I.E. Martin Luthor.
There are plenty of good God-fearing catholics but they are in spite of their church’s doctrine. Not because of it.
Also, Jesus had brothers and sisters and Mary did not remain a virgin.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 5:03pm@SquidVetOhio
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:30pm
@WHATDOYOUKNOWJOE
You are factually wrong on so many levels. Let me start by saying I like catholics and I know you guys are very defensive about your religion but, you’ve stated things that are factually false. First, Jesus did not start the catholic church. It was started by Constantine. 5 minutes of studying the pagan Roman culture and you will see the similarities to catholocism. Secondly, the worship of Mary and saints is blasphemy. Mary confessed to her own sinfulness when she said to Jesus, “My Saviour and my God”, only sinners need a Saviour. Salvation is by the Grace of God alone through faith in His Son. Sacraments do nothing. Just because people translate things differently is irrelevant. The author had a specific meaning. The reason the catholic church kept that scriptures out of the hands of the lay people is because they suddenly realized how much at odds with scripture their religion was. I.E. Martin Luthor.
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Well said had to re-post!
My God richly bless and keep you :)
WhatDoYouKnowJoe
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:32pm@SquidVetHo
I am sorry but none of what you have said has any element of truth(lack of intellectual honesty).
Private interpretation of the scriptures is like declaring yourself your own Pope. You can explain it to God.
1) The Catholic Church was founded upon Peter(St. Peter) circa 33 AD.
2) Constantine converted to Christianity on his death bed in the 4th century likely due to the pious prayers of St. Helen, his mother who found a relic of the true cross in Jerusalem.
3)Pope St. Martin I at the Lateran Synod in 649 A.D. declared the following an article of faith:
The blessed ever-virginal and immaculate Mary conceived, without seed, by the Holy Spirit, and without loss of integrity brought Him forth, and after His birth preserved her virginity inviolate.
Mary was born and died a virgin.
4) “Behold Your Mother” our Lord said to his beloved disciple John as He expired on the cross.
Praying to Mary and the Saints is not blasphemy because we do not attribute to them what is reserved for God alone, but we ask for their intercessions and their prayers are considerably more powerful than are own. Furthermore, veneration of those whom God himself has called Holy is not an offense to Him, on the contrary it is an honor to Him. You do not worship your earthly father I presume, but I would think that you honor Him.
Your criticisms suggest that you have never asked a knowledgeable Catholic about these things.
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WhatDoYouKnowJoe
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:38pm@SquidVetOhio
recycled in the last 50 years.
I have posted before that I come from a Jewish family, and I am a convert to the Catholic faith.
Report Post »What The Lord has for me is for me. Reread scripture, the The Word Incarnate is Jesus Christ. Do you honestly think that Jesus needs the bible to convey the truth to THE CHURCH THAT HE HIMSELF FOUNDED? THE CHURCH(MAGISTERIUM) has never taught anything contrary to the bible. You see the bible is not unabridged truth, and the scriptures say this as well.
I am glad that you have Catholic friends, they are probably doing a lot of penances for you.
Holy Tradition + Holy Scripture = True Christianity.
You have also erred in saying that The Catholic Church kept the bible out of the hands, of the laity.
A Cult? Almost 1 out of every 6 people living on this earth is baptized into the Catholic Church. I do admit that many of the baptized do not know their faith properly so others make assumptions; sometimes erroneously.
The Lord does not hide His light under a bushel basket, so why would He hide the earthly church that He established? The answer is that He truly founded The One Holy and Apostolic Church and it is what is keeping the wheels on the cart in this world?
This is going to be my last reply, since I do not want to debate with someone who has not done their homework.
snooop1e
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:21pmExcellent, now we all just need to agree on ONE critical point. What is the definition of a “Bible Based Church” ??????? So far there are over 33000, “Bible Based” churches and growing. It sounds great but in reality it hasn’t worked out. Inevitably what people end up doing is finding a church that agrees with their personal fallible definition of what a “Bible Based” Church is. The Pillar and Bulwark of TRUTH is the CHURCH that Jesus Christ established. When 2 Tim 3:16 was written the New Testament hadn‘t even been determined so technically if you TRULY go by scripture alone you shouldn’t even accept the New Testament canon because 2 Tim 3:16 is referring to the Old Testament. If however you accept the New Testament (the 2nd canon) you are saying that the Holy Spirit guided the Church to select the books that make up the NT but then later abandoned the church and left her orphaned. If you believe this to be the case where is that written in scripture? Scripture no where makes this claim nor does scripture tell us what books are “scripture” or what books belong in the Bible. So you are left accepting the authority of the Church to determine the 2nd canon and then immediately rejecting all other authoritative claims of the church (including the power to bind and loose on earth and in Heaven) in effect saying that Jesus promise (the gates of Hell will not prevail) didn’t come true and we are orphans left with an fallible list of infallible books. God Ble
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 8:51amYo Whatdoyouknowjoe:
The “church’ IS NOT the pillar or foundation of the church.
The “church” is not saved … the “BODY” is … God‘s word say’s so .., not me
Built on the FOUNDATIONS of the APOSTLES and the PROPHETS, with Christ Jesus as the CHIEF CONERSTONE ,,, Ephesians 2:20 …….(scripture corrects you!)
The printing press was the MEANS … it was in fact the “church” that was preventing the BIBLE (who cares about the word to discribe the 66 books) from being in the hands of common folk.
Report Post »Iron_Wyll
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:57amYour faith must be stronger than a single issue. Yesuha said very little about the sins of the flesh; instead he implored us to be kind to the poor, yet we all get wrapped up in this particular issue. Treat one another as we wish to be treated, and the Good Lord will sort things out. That’s His job.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:44ammy thoughts exactly well said
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:34amIt makes gods mad when you act on impulses it ‘designed’ you to have in the first place. Hope you aren’t eating shellfish, too. That also ****** jebus off. She doesn’t seem to be very keen on haircuts fashioned after the 3 Stooges. Of course, I was informed that these laws were only for Israelites and their priests, which is why Xtians get to pick and choose which ones they will follow and which ones they get to use as an excuse to be bigoted.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:50amIron will – some more reason – thanks for your post! I dont understand why this one issue gets so much attentoin and hate from the right. It is my firm belief (and there is lots of evidence to support this) that the strongest and loudest anti-gay folks are closeted homosexuals themselves. Its the only logical conclusion to why this issue generates such vitriol from some.
Report Post »maccow
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:56pmDoseofinsanity
Report Post »The hate isn’t from the right. The bible’s view on homosexual practices has been around since the destruction of Sodom and Gamora. Your relatively new found intolerance of that biblically based view is the beginning of hate and bigotry in this society. But having eyes to see, you are way to blind to the truth to see because you hate the Christ as well as hate the Christian. Your hatred blinds you from the reality that we hate the sin but love the sinner. Even you
DoseofReality
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:46pmMaccow – Im sorry, i dont believe the bible to be any sort of literal word of god, so quoting from the bible does nothing for me. it would be like me quoting from the I Ching or the Koran….i view the bible just as you view those. (for the record i think its all man-made, im not only going after the bible). I dont hate anyone unlike many on this site do, the vast majority of my family consider themselves christian and most are great people. Just like most buddhists, most mormons, most hindues are good people as well. And Ill stick by my original premise that the loudest homophobes are closet homosexuals.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:33pm@DOSEOFREALITY
Whether you believe it to be the Word of God or not, you will be judged from it none the less.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:38pmWow, 4 whole Gospels and 23 other books in the New Testament and all Jesus really said was “Be kind to the poor and treat everyone else like you want to be treated?” Wonder why He bothered having the rest of the Scripture written? I’m pretty sure Our Lord spoke often about sin. In fact Jesus preached more on hell than He ever did about heaven.
I think that was just the part you read and stopped reading after that. smh……
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:48pm@DoseofReality
Report Post »Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:50am
Iron will – some more reason – thanks for your post! I dont understand why this one issue gets so much attentoin and hate from the right. It is my firm belief (and there is lots of evidence to support this) that the strongest and loudest anti-gay folks are closeted homosexuals themselves. Its the only logical conclusion to why this issue generates such vitriol from some.
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No the reason for the anger is because they are teaching this is ok to our KINDERGARTNERS!!!
They are trying to make evil good and good evil and if we say and do NOTHING this Nation will not be here 50 years from now … or less!!!!!!
Right is right no matter what you free thinking retards have to say about it.
Look Christians are commanded to love even our ENEMIES!!! We are to do good not harm. We are also supposed to be SALT (society’s preservative) and LIGHT (exposing evil and calling sin what it is). We are not allowed to be “gay dashers” but what is wrong with telling someone that the road they are on leads to a cliff??? If we do not tell the world Jesus loves them and they do not have to stay trapped in their sin then their blood will be on our heads! This is not hate speech but the ultimate love speech!!!
Come on guys think for just a second…. Look around for just a moment…the Homosexual the drug addict or just the lost man or woman in an office with no outward vice at all NEEDS Jesus and the freedom He offers.
Athinkerinaseaoflibs
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:56amIt is very important to abhor the sin and not the sinner. In a previous post I said the following and it still true:
Report Post »1. Nearly all religions recognize homosexual behavior as sinful. Most of those religions consider same sex attractions as not sinful, only when those feeling are acted out.
2. About 1.5% of the population has homosexual tendencies not the oft quoted 10%. The 10% value comes from a flawed study in the 40s and 50s where the populations studied were imprisoned sex offenders.
3. There are literally thousands of men and women who have same sex attraction feelings who are happily married in heterosexual marriages.
4. It still requires a man and women to make another human. I don’t think that will change for quite a while.
5. Social norms in nearly all societies still today do not fully accept homosexual couples. Even liberals in the US do not fully accept homosexuals. The adopted children of these couples will be forced to endure this lack of acceptance even if the homosexual couples are ok with it.
6. Our Heavenly Father truly loves us and wants us to be happy. This includes those with homosexual attractions. He has created a process for us to be so. It does not require us to be perfect, he sent his Son to be that for us. He has also given us guidelines and rules by which we must live to be truly happy. When we step out of these guidelines and rules we will be denied true and complete joy. This true of all sins including homosexual behavior
tmarends
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:10pm1) That’s debatable. Even in Islam some homosexual acts are permissable in certain situations.
2) I agree… it is less than 10%, but we may never know the true answer to that… self-reporting is unreliable due to the stigma that follows the coming out process.
3) They may current report being happy in marriage… but, on my experience, they are just putting on a public face. LGBT people who go this route usually end up depressed, and marriages and families fall apart when the person eventually comes out. More people get hurt in the long run when LGBT people go the heterosexual marriage route.
4) Not debating that… but not everyone wants children. Should sex be resticted to child production only?
5) Just because many in our current society doesn’t accept homosexual couples, does that make it right? Should we base how we respond based on what our current society tells us? Where would that lead us? Think about slavery in the South in the 1700s. Slavery was the sociatle norm in the South. Those against slavery were ridiculed and forced out. Did that make slavery correct? Of course not.
6) A homosexual person will never be trully happy in a M/F relationship, as I mentioned in #3. If you believe that God wants us happy, then you should help the LGBT community attain “gay” marriage.
As a Christian who is gay, I believe that promiscuity is sinful… However, that is where many “christians” push the LGBT community… Think about it.
Report Post »VoteBushIn12
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:06pmYour first argument is incorrect. I didn’t even bother with the rest.
Not all religions view it as a sin – in fact, that group is limited to just the three Judeo-Christian ones (Islam, Christianity, and the Bible). Half the other religions don’t even have a comparable concept of sin.
Stop justifying your hatred with ignorance.
Report Post »Athinkerinaseaoflibs
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 2:18pmTo tmarends
I am not aware of Islam’s acceptance of homosexuality in any situation. If true that is very interesting. With regards to happiness in marriage, I would say that Americans for the most part have a distorted view of happy. They often believe happy is doing what they want to do. I have been married for 30 years and there have been times when I had to wear the “happy mask” and I know that I have caused my wife to wear it a whole more times than I have. That being said, I believe any two people can be happy together if they make their marriage to include Heavenly Father. Marriage is not just about sex but nor is sex just about children.
Closed minded people (children and grown up children) typically don’t take the high road and let others work out their own salvation. Somehow they feel they must drag the most innocent into the fray. However, I choose not to tell any individual how to live. That is way too personal for me as a serial sinner. I will share with others what I have observed–sometimes with flawed conclusions.
Most importantly I have an unshakable belief that God is perfect and His overall plan is perfect. I don’t think that his plan falls apart because there is sin or weakness of any kind on the earth today. If a perfect world was his plan, he would not have included a Savior, Jesus Christ in his plan.
Report Post »tmarends
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:21pmI believe God’s plan is perfect as well… I just happen to believe that He has made some people gay as part of that plan… and it isn’t to condemn then to hell for the innate attractions they have.
Report Post »tmarends
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:23pmI believe God’s plan is perfect as well. I just happen to believe that God made some people gay to serve that plan… and it isn’t to condemn them to hell for their innate attractions.
Report Post »One Man Mormon Blues Band
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:50amWe live in a natural world where there are limits of space and energy. All living things must go through a cycle of living reproducing and dying. It is impossible to live forever because of space and energy requirements. Homosexuals cannot reproduce and are, therefore, irrelevant. I am not sure if irrelevancy is a sin. That does mean one should hate them. But we certainly don’t need to give them special standing in the community, which is what they want.
Report Post »JAMACAMECRAZYMAN
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:03amSums it up well
Report Post »WARRIORSCROWN
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:19amHomosexuals are irrelevant? Poor choice of words, no one is irrelevant.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:32amNo special standings, just equal standings. That is what the good “Christians” and the Mormons are forgettting, they want to enforce a second class citizenship status on them based on their book of fairy tales. And for mormons, a religion based on the desire of a man to have multiple wives to comments is beyond hypocritical.
Report Post »Athinkerinaseaoflibs
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:10amTo encinomo:
Report Post »Why do you insist on going back to this old mantra about polygamy? Latter day Saints do not practice polygamy today. They have not for more than a century. Those people in Utah, Arizona and Texas who are practicing polygamy are NOT members of the church. Typically they want to distance themselves from the church. If they were members of the church at one time, they have subsequently been excommunicated.
If you have a dislike for Latter day Saints, at least make your dislike relevant. To base your hatred on something or someone that happened 100+ years ago is an unhealthy grudge that will only rot you from the inside out.
Yoselahonda
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:32amI believe scripture reffers to people like Encinom as being in the “gall of bitterness”. Describes him and his comments perfectly.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:24pmEncinom – You shouldn‘t be condemning everybody else as being a bigot when you’re bigoted against polygamists, hypocrite.
Report Post »revron
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:50amIn Matthew 24 it says that Christians will be hated, persecuted and many will become offended at Jesus and fall away. We will be hated and persecuted because we hold the line on moral absolutes, such as homosexuality being a sin and that those who practice it CANNOT enter he Kingdom of God (sorry Joel). Many will fall away because we bought, hook, line and sinker, the message that God is here to bless and prosper me. So when said persecution comes, it will take many “Christians”: off guard. “where is the promised prosperity?” They will conclude that Joel lied to them, the church deceived them and most importantly, God mislead them, and they will take offense at God and will fall away. A Muslim cleric said it best; “Christianity is growing but though it is a mile wide, it’s only an inch thick.” God is more concerned with our character than he is our comfort.
Report Post »palerider54
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:34amJoel
This whole homosexual movement is nothing more than Satan walking to and fro among us. Destroying life, and consuming souls. I refuse to call these deviants as gays, their lifestyle is full of pain and misery, nothing “gay” about it. It just takes a few more keystrokes to use the word homosexual.
The anti-bullying movement is more of the same. They are bullying our Christian youth at school in order to shame them into accepting this lifestyle that is an abomination to God as being normal.
They singled out and harressed and attacked individuals in the phsicriatic proffesion until they were forced to claim that this mental disorder is not a mental disorder.
WHY are we letting such a small miniority of American citizens cause such a huge disturbance in our country ?
Does anyone have reliable statistics to give us some kind of idea just how many homosexuals are in America? I heard it was around 3 to 5 %.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:30amHomosexuals claim 10-11 percent. I think 1 to 2% is actually more accurate.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 11:54amSeriously- what huge disturbance are you referring to? Please be specific and give me examples how your life has been deeply dusturbed and changed becasue of gay people? Your just a bigot, simple as that, and you use your religion to justify your bigotry. Im not gay but they dont bother me one bit, your probably a closted homosexual..
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:18amHate the sin, but love the sinner.
No rocket science involved.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:29amThus the reason gays hate the Bible so much.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:49amGays are some of the nicest, kindest, most loving people in the world..
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As long as you don’t point out their sinful lifestyle .
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:39amThat‘s because many Xtians don’t get that far in their education.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:26pmFoxhole – You mean that Christians didn’t buy into what government schools tell them to think and actually can think for themselves?
Report Post »lgccac
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:17amLove the sinner, not the sin.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:35amIf that doesn’t work, change up their holidays. If that still doesn’t work, just burn them at the stake.
Report Post »tmarends
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:15pmLove the sinner… hate the sin in your own life.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:17amWow – Joel’s quoting scripture? What next – he’ll actually begin preaching that one MUST believe in order to be saved???
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:40amBelieve in the Bible or believe the Bible? Big difference. You have to read it first.
Report Post »krispy01
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:00amEven more surprising is that he used the word ‘sin’ ! How out of character is that for Pastor Smiley ?
Report Post »PaulaLennie
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:46pmHe clearly is no man of GOD. Any true man of GOD would be showing sinners that they have sinned and that they need the Salvation through Jesus. Trying to teach people how to get through their day to day lives will do nothing for their eternity.
Report Post »florida123
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:14amNever liked this guy BUT Christians are to be on the side of Grace and Mercy. Its the whole hate the sin love the sinner. Jesus absolutely adhered to this idea, he was loving but just! Homosexuality is a sexual sin just like Adultery or Fornication………..Sorry not popular but true……….
Report Post »kindling
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:37amWell said and absolutely true.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:21amI agree, there seems to be something a little off centre about him. He seems like a good guy. I watched him and I just can’t put my finger on it.
Something…
Report Post »eternalwolf777
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:28amWell said.
Report Post »floridaborn
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:06amAs a Christian myself, I have always been a bit suspicious of this guy. I believe his ministry is a watered-down version of feel-good psychiatry, more than Christianity. I do believe being gay is a sin – I also believe lying, stealing, murder etc are sins too. Is one type of sin worse than the other? I don’t know – but, luckily for me, I’m not the one judging us all at the end of time.
Report Post »Rohawk
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:54pmMy problem with him is an inability to confront any sin as damnable. The consequences of a life separated from God are too tragic to just have happy talk. You don’t have to say “TURN OR BURN!” but that is a truth you can’t ignore if you are a preacher.
Report Post »piper60
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:58amMy brother, who is a deacon in his Baptist Church, calls this man “dangerous”.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:44amMy son, who is a pastor in a Baptist church, calls your brother “dangerous.”
Seriously, I am not commenting on Osteen here, but your comment is so totally irrelevant it makes my head swim…Not even YOUR opinion, but your BROTHER’S opinion, which you somehow try to bolster by revealing he is a decon in a church…Which, in most cases, is meaningless as far as how mature, discerning, scriptural, or knowledgeable a Christian he actually is…
Really?
Report Post »pbhiller
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:52amSorry Piper60, Dont believe because your brother is a Deacon in a Baptist Church makes him an authorityy on Judging people, I believe that is God who has the Judgement. Joel Osteen is a good man I dont follow him, but he preaches from the scripture and yes he is a little more on the self esteem side instead of the bible teaching side but he has positive messages for people who are in need of hearing something positive in their life. There is not one thing “dangerous” about that. Again we still live in a country where people can and should be able to listen to whom they want and we have no right to tell them they cant.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:57amSure…they can listen to the health and wealth sermons…and end up in hell if the Gospel isnt preached. That is the dangerous part.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:06amGod uses us in many different ways. I am not a fan of seeker sensitive like Warren, or prosperity/better living like Osteen but I am not going to pass judgment on them either. It really is just not my place. Are they brothers in Christ? I believe so. Do they occasionally screw up and say/do the wrong thing? Don’t we all? Should we be wary of the wolves among the flock? You betcha! But until someone says/does something that is fully against Christ I am not going to concern myself with them, we are also told it is not our job to separate the wheat from the tares.
If you are Spirit led then you stand no danger of being led astray. Let God do His work through others even if you do not understand or agree with them. Again, you would not catch me dead in Saddleback church, but as long as they preach the gospel and lead people to Christ…And encourage them to then serve the Lord…who am I to criticize them? Even if I do not fully agree with their methods.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:16amBaddoggy
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:57am
Sure…they can listen to the health and wealth sermons…and end up in hell if the Gospel isnt preached. That is the dangerous part.
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You and I have gone at it before, I guess you just didnt like my name, but I respect your opinion. You are not a screwball or troll. But can I ask you this; do you EVER watch any secular television? Sports maybe? How about music? Do you listen to mainstream country? Do you ever converse with unsaved people? Do these things give you the gospel message? Are you going to hell because you do not receive the gospel through these things? Are these things “dangerous?” To the last, yes, they CAN be very dangerous, but I feel you are Spirit led Baddoggy, I think I know you well enough through your posts to assume that.
I will be quite honest here, I never even listened to Joel Osteen. Not even once. I have no clue what he does or does not preach. He claims he is Scriptural and he claims he preaches the gospel message. Have you seen otherwise? But even at that, even if he never mentions Christ, assuming he is strictly a motivational speaker, is that necessarily a bad thing?
Just asking here more than trying to argue. You are welcome to your opinion on this guy, I really have not formed one myself.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:47amBadDoggie…..let me preach the Gospel for you….
Report Post »God is going to set up a kingdom here on earth that will last forever. (Mat 4:23, Mat 9;25, Mat 24;14, Mark 1;14, Mark 1:15) Satisfied?
welloddyfriggindah
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:58amA lot of actions are sins. God provided a way to be forgiven of them. Liberals want this to be a political issue so they can continue to demonize their opposition. The Olsteens aren’t trying to be political in this interview, they’re being honest.
The sin that separates saved from unsaved is rejection of God’s provision.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:57amNot only is it a sin but it’s an abomination and the public condoning of it is also a sin. God has given us over, as a Nation, to homosexuality because we deny Him as Creator. He is now abandoning our Nation because we publicly condone it. Look forward to further abandonment by our Creator. Our judgement is overdue. Pray and repent.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:13amWell stupid me, all I got from Christ is to love God with all my heart and mind and to love my neighbor as myself-I didn’t find the “rules” who I should love as myself and who I shouldn’t. Not sure how I feel about this man, but anyone who teaches love is far closer to Christ than are those who teach picking and choosing who to love and treat as another child of God. There is far to much true evil going on, so I am trying to walk in Christ’s footsteps, which I will fail at being non-perfect, and I am leaving judgement to someone far better than myself. The world is comimg to a war of epic horror, this is not a hill I want to die on, no matter how annoying it can get at times.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:23amPretty much what my comments were that didn’t make the post, so I am in agreement with you.
Also, I want us to take our language back: “gay” means light, happy, festive, carefree and has nothing to do with homosexuality. The rainbow was GOD’s own gift and a promise to mankind. I have had it with the perversion and desecration by the leftists. Stand, AMERICANS. Retake our culture, our language, but most of all retake AMERICA for GOD.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:38amMEYVN and KICK………Christians have sat back and allowed too many sins to take hold in America in the name of tolerance. Abortion and homosexuality among them and now Islam has a foothold in America too.
Report Post »Christians need to stand up, speak up and refuse to sit back any longer. We are in a spiritual war.
sawbuck
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:08amJenny
Jesus said “I will teach you to be fishers of men”
NOT except the sinner and sin…We are to catch and teach..
correct …rebuke.. with love and understanding ..
to ….( help seperate the sinner) ..from the sin …
JESUS also said some will NOT comply..!
For these people we are NOT to bend our message
BUT to shake the dust from our feet and walk away…
Report Post »JediKnight
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:05am@Jenny: If that’s all you got, then you missed about 8 other points. Namely, you shall have no other gods before Him, along with quite a few others.
And as someone else said, Christ told us to love them, but to also correct them when necessary. Some will refuse to listen and we are simply to leave those ones alone, but do not accept them or their lifestyle.
Report Post »maccow
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:45pmJennyLind
Report Post »After you are done loving on them Jenny, what then will they have?
How does Jenny‘s capacity to love on them compare to God’s love for them?
Is God’s love for them best revealed thru your life Jenny, or through His word?
Which is preferable, God’s love working through you Jenny, or God’s love dwelling in them?
Does God say in Psalm 119:11 “[JENNY'S LOVE] I have hid in my heart that I might not sin against you”? No, it says [Your word].
I have encountered too many churches teaching that Jesus’ love in us is what the non-believer needs, rather then Jesus in them cleansing them of their sin. I find that these churches tend to never preach sin and death under the law, just like you are afraid to do Jenny. When it is only in recognizing our sins and our need for a savior that we can truly repent and come to the cross for forgiveness.
“For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” 1 Cor 1:18
The book of Romans has much to say on the subject of sin and its worth the time to understand it.
I would not have known sin except through the law.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Christ’s love in you is a good thing Jenny, but His love in them through God’s word is the goal.
Meyvn
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 5:50pm@Jenny Lind: Wise up. I didn‘t say I didn’t love anyone.
Report Post »Ohevi
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:48amWow! What california liberal wrote this scap article? Blaze-what about soros’ company counting votes in november? Where is that story? Glen-are you in control? Or someone else?
Report Post »CrazyChuck
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:42amThis multi millionaire ‘preacher’ is truly ‘not’ a moral authority for me. I can only say Jesus rode a donkey and walked on his feet. Jesus certainly did not live in absolute luxury like this guy and his wife. Feel good? Feel good here and you may feel the fires of gehenna in the next life. I am not impressed in the least. Keep paying him and making him richer by the day…..Feel good about it.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:30amLet me preface this by saying I an NOT a fan of Joel Osteen. I am with you on this point alone….that the comforts of this life are not worth going to hell for. That being said I would caution you not to judge this man. He has and still does a lot of good for the gospel of Christ. As far as I know they have not fallen into sin as many who reach their level of success do.
Report Post »If a person is homeless we look at them as though they are lazy do nothings and if they are rich we think they must be wicked. You may not like this but Jesus was rich and had a “mega church” 2000 years ago. On two separate occasions Jesus fed MORE THEN 5000 people and gave sermons the religious leaders thought were not inline with orthodoxy. Jesus wore expensive clothes and by all standards of the day Jesus COULD have looked a lot like this man.
If prosperity alone is the standard by which we judge whether a man has or does not have then there is no true standard we can hold ourselves against.
Jesus said we are “…judged by our fruits…” Matt. 15-20
Does this man have fruit? what kind of fruit is it?
Lastly I will remind you of this…. “God delights in the PROSPERITY OF HIS PEOPLE” Psalm 35:27
Favored93
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:32pmAlso let me just add this….Jesus is the richest man who has EVER LIVED!!! Jesus was and is not the “victim” of history but rather the biggest investor and gainer of history. Jesus is so rich that he uses gold as pavement!!! The gates to His mansion are fashioned by massive pearls!!!
Report Post »I do not have a problem with Christians being wealthy if fact I want EVERY Christian to have more then enough so that we all have something to give. If I ONLY have enough to feed my family what is left to help with? Joel has more then enough but do you know how much he gives away? I don’t.
I do however have issue with any Christian manipulating people out of their money effectively peddling the gospel. If money is your god… if money has you now you have trouble. Be careful looking at the outside of a man it is almost always not what he looks like rich or poor. If you are wrong about him you may find that you are the one in trouble….
momrules
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:41amI have never paid much attention to Osteen, he gives me the creeps, but I have started noticeing that he is popping up in the news a lot recently, almost as often as Farrakhan.
I wonder why.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:57amGood observation.
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:49pmYes Osteen is a false teacher and really is a dummy on the Bible. He needs some John MacArthur to straighten him out. He is wolf and leading his followers to hell unfortunately. He is no different than Mormons or catholic priests leading the flock to hades. Just repent and put your trust in Jesus. No works needed like Mormonism and Catholicism. When you have the wrong Jesus like Mormons and Catholics you have the wrong salvation. Satan loves Mormons and catholics. You are duped by your Mormonism and catholicism.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 11:30am@Sonofthunder – “You are duped by your Mormonism” – lol – you sound like those who thought Columbus was duped into believing the world was round. You will one day realize you have only been given milk because you are not yet ready for the meat of the gospel.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:40amI was living in Houston when he denied Christ on National television during a Larry King interview. I knew many in his congregation that “lost it”. They straightened him out on the “Gospel”. That was the last time he did not teach “Christ crucified foir the forgiveness of sins”. I think he learned his lesson.
That being said, his health and wealth message is not at all what God would have him teach. It’s a bunch of crap and his father is probably turning over in his grave…well he would be if he were in a grave….
Joel is not a false Prophet, but he sure isnt giving the right message. He just tickles ears….The health and wealth movement is a bunch of crap.
Report Post »Amos37
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:49amhe’s a demon, using God’s Word for his own advantage.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 4:00pmWOW guys!!!!
Report Post »Look I do not want to be in the position of defending this guy but I am having a hard time seeing were he is wrong… What is wrong with divine healing? If sickness of any kind is the will of God then show me one time just ONE time were Jesus … God himself made ANYONE sick! If having more then enough is ungodly then why would God say that he “delights in the prosperity of His people”??? (Psalm 35:27)
If having a large church following is wrong then why did Jesus himself have over 5000 people following him? (and more still today) Matt. 14:13-20
Guys I also do not like personally the Televangelists. I agree they do seem to be about building their own kingdoms however we are not their god nor are we the Holy spirit for them. We do not know what they are doing with THEIR money. We do not see all the missionaries they are supporting or children they are feeding and the gospel of Christ IS being preached around the world!
Do you guys know how much money it takes to get the kind of TV audience this guy has? It takes an UNBELIEVABLE amount of money to get the gospel out.
All I am saying is be careful in your judgments. I am not saying don’t judge I am just asking you to be careful. You don’t know what God has for this man and neither do I.
kickagrandma
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:39amBLAZE~~~ where are my posts???
Do I have to call Glenn?
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:07amIf you call him let me know because their are a couple of these bloggers that need to be replaced.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:33amKick………I’ve had the same problem lately . I’ve also noticed that a lot of posts that are not really breaking any posting rules are disappearing. I’ve wondered about that too.
Report Post »ThePostman
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:26amThere is a gay movement now that pretends that Sodom and Gommorah was not about homosexuality, but rather, “being unkind to strangers” was their sin. It doesn’t seem to be spelled out directly. And of course, lesbians are claiming that women can have sex with each other and still be biblical.
Christianity is being twisted into even more pagan ritual than before.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:38amThe beasts are beginning to walk the earth Postman…….
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:42amI have heard that…I can see their sicko point of view…If a young boy shows up at your door you should love hin so much you have homomsexual sex with him…Idiots. They would have fir in well with the TSA.
Report Post »ThePostman
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:23amWell, at least he will draw the line somewhere. There are MANY things the Bible teaches us are sins. Chief among them, remember the SABBATH and keep it holy, do not lie, steal, cheat, and have mercy and kindness for our fellow man. Also, one will find that no birthdays are ever celebrated in the Bible, not even Jesus’. Christmas is not really a Christian celebration, it is mainly derived from pagan roots. Jesus’ birth was more probably around September.
If Christians in this nation are frustrated that God seems to not be heeding our prayers to save us, perhaps we need to look inward and see how we ourselves are failing him.
Osteen seems like a really good guy, and his father certainly was. But I don’t know, Joel is getting richer than Midas on his books and things, parlaying his name as preacher of the world’s largest church into a thriving sales business, and his congregation is filled to the brim with desperate people hitting the bottom. His book sales advertisements on his broadcast – think he pays for those commercial spots? Or is his church doing that gratis?
Seems to me christian humility would demand a little more sack-cloth, and a little less gucci.
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:29amThey are full of crap!
Report Post »nuttyvet
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:37amWell put postman!
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:05amSeems to me that you must be a JW, Postman.
Report Post »goahead.makemyday
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:28amPeople forget that the Jesus told the rich man that to be perfect to sell all he had and give it to the poor. The the parable of the rich man who built bigger barns. And Matthew 19:24, saying that it’s harder for a rich person to go to heaven than for a poor person. And in case you don’t know the small postern door on the walls of that day was called an eye of a needle.
Report Post »marjorie faye
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:25amTo GoAheadMakeMyDay, Jesus did not teach that people should not have wealth. He taught against letting wealth make you someone who does not care about the poor, does not feel a need for God, is more interested in things than God, etc. Jesus’ dear friend Lazarus was a very wealthy man. Jesus told the rich young ruler to give away all his wealth because that is what stood in the young man’s way. It was a specific message to a specific person. It is not money, but rather the LOVE of money, that is the root of all evil, per Scripture.
Report Post »lawrencepaulhill
Posted on May 1, 2012 at 9:30pmFrom what i recall Joel doesn’t get paid by the church. He recieves royalties on his publications though. Also he freelky admits his first time preaching was when his father got sick, and that he was not called to preach. He does not do funerals or weddings. how could he? His church has turned into a monstrous behemoth. There is no way he could be a pastor to even one tenth of the members. that is left to others. It is obvious he has no real theological education and training. He is basically a religious version of Tony Robbins with some Jesus quotes thrown in. His gospel is the Goispel of Me, with all those awful preacher stories.The fact that he insists upon starting his “homilies” with a joke every time shows the depth of his seriousness. People have itching ears, and preachers like Joel scratch them.
Report Post »THXll38
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:22amDang . . . This guy pulls in more people than a Mötley Crüe concert in 1987.
Report Post »srmumz
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:17amI don’t always agree with Joel, but he is right. For a Man or Woman to sleep with someone of the same sex is a sin in the eyes of the Lord.
Report Post »Windwalker
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 10:13am….and this is the same man when asked, “would you attend the wedding of a gay friends who are getting married”? Joe’ls answer…yes. Weddings are traditionally celebrations. Celebrations of a man and woman becoming one as has been endorsed and blessed by God since the creation. He partakes of that immoral non scriptual union and celebration, he becomes a part of that ‘celebration’. His reasoning is flawed. He can twist it anyway he wants to. He sets a precedent for young believers and those weak or floundering in the faith……….. Matthew 7:21-23
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:17amwho cares if a book says that it doesn’t give you the right to take away their liberty. being gay is gross and messed up but if people want to do it let them.
Report Post »Fubared
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:46amPersonally, I concur with what you stated. My issues come from the special, special, oh so very special treatment. BS agenda, special, special, need new laws, special, need marriage redefined, special, need more gay adoptees, special, hate laws, omni metro-sexual bathrooms, and oh, lets not forget the special agenda. As a purported libertarian, I would have thought that someone wanting to infringe on your given rights would induce more of a special reaction, to the special reactionaries and their need to define for special treatment. If we only had more gay animals in the animal kingdom, we could move beyond the endangered species label altogether.
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 7:55amActually the Holy Bible is a compilation and I care. Even if you didn’t have the Paulbot picture you would have been an easy one to figure out. So do you feel the same way about stealing and killing? Who are you to say if someone kills you or steals all of your belongings that they should lose their liberty?
Report Post »justangry
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 8:27am@not a crazy When one kills or steals they are depriving someone else of their liberty. You really can’t see the difference?
Report Post »tajloc
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 9:17amI don’t think you “let them” I think you inform them and then turn away from them (Matt 18) AND Rom 8:28.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 12:36pm@Fubared
“oh so very special treatment.”
By special treatment, you mean wanting to be able to serve their country without hiding what they are, wanting to be able to get married if they are in love, and wanting not to be bullied in school? That’s “special” treatment?
Report Post »nueces
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 1:51pmPaulbot has been evicerated, burned and buried. %^)
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on April 30, 2012 at 3:27pmVance – Incest and polygamous relationships also can‘t get married if they’re in love, hypocrite. They also get bullied in school.
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