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Joint Chiefs Chair Dempsey Says the U.S. and Israel View Iran Threat Differently: For Israel It‘s ’Existential’

Joint Chiefs Chairman Dempsey Says the U.S. and Israel Don’t View Iran Threat Eye to Eye For Israel its

Generals Martin Dempsey and Benny Gantz in January 2012 (photo credit: Office of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for Public Affairs)

Speaking to reporters in route to Afghanistan late Sunday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey said that even though Israeli and American military leaders see the same intelligence reports, the two countries view the Iranian nuclear threat differently.

According to AFP, Dempsey said:

“We compare intelligence, we discuss regional implications. And we’ve admitted to each other that our clocks are turning at different rates,” he said.

“They are living with an existential concern that we are not living with.”

Amid intense speculation in the Israeli press that Israel soon may launch a unilateral strike against Iran’s nuclear sites, Dempsey said the US military felt no pressure from Israel to back possible bombing raids.

Though Dempsey says the U.S. doesn’t feel pressure to back an Israeli bombing campaign, he clearly feels enough pressure to speak every two weeks with his Israeli counterpart, Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, about the Iranian nuclear threat.

AFP reports that Dempsey reiterated Sunday night his previously-stated position that an Israeli military strike will only delay Iran’s nuclear program, not totally destroy it. This also appears to be the opinion of Israeli officials, as reflected in Ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren’s suggestion last week that Israel would be willing to attack Iran even if it knew that would only delay the program. Oren told Bloomberg:

“One, two, three, four years are a long time in the Middle East — look what’s happened in the last year. In our neighborhood, those are the rules of the game.”

Oren added that even if a strike would only postpone Iran’s nuclear march by two or three years, that wouldn’t be an “argument against” the military option: “in the past, we have operated on the assumption that we can only gain a delay.”

The best example of that operating assumption was Israel’s strike at the Iraqi Osirak reactor in 1981 when Israeli officials believed “we would gain a delay of between one and two years on that program.” Oren said. “To this day, Iraq does not have a nuclear weapon.”

The Times of Israel offers more behind the scenes thinking among Israel’s leaders:

Defense Minister Ehud Barak reportedly believes Iran is only a few months away from crossing the threshold beyond which a military strike on their program will be useless, while the US believes it has more time.

Both Barak and Netanyahu reportedly prefer for the US to lead in any such strike, but say they will go it alone if they have to.

During the induction ceremony for Israel’s new Home Front Defense Minister Avi Dichter on Sunday, Dichter called Iran an existential threat to Israel, as opposed to the somewhat less severe threats closer to home:

“Lebanon, Gaza and Syria pose a strategic threat, and Iran, for the first time, poses an existential threat.”

Striking a defiant chord, he noted that Israel has:

“proved to itself, to its enemies and the world that the era in which Israelis are murdered just because they are Jewish – is over!”

Despite the Obama administration’s reluctance to commit to any military action in support of Israel, Ambassador Oren told Israel Hayom over the weekend that he believes the American people, the administration and Congress will stand with Israel in the event of a military strike:

“If Israel ultimately decides to take action against Iran, we will receive extremely widespread support from the American people and Congress, and President [Barack] Obama will continue to recognize our right to defend ourselves on our own. It won’t create a rift with the United States.”

Oren quoted Defense Secretary Leon Panetta as saying the U.S. would stand by Israel if is attacked with missiles, but offered no additional details as to what standing by Israel would include.

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  • Yakov-Yurovsky
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:51pm

    Hey, you guys & gals want to hear something funny? When I was younger, I had no idea that Israel wasn’t the homeland of Jews until 1948. I actually thought the nazis were fighting their way to Jerusalem to kill all the Jews. lol

    Don’t laugh, it was a combination of my CCD classes and liberal democracy propaganda; I was just a kid. lol

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  • lukerw
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:34pm

    Christians & Israel view the Threat of Islam & Iran THE SAME. Those with another View… are GODless fodder!

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    • Classical Liberal
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:48pm

      Yeah we are really treatened by a religious movement. Im shaking in my boots.

      Israel probably shouldn’t count on us supporting them if they commit an act of war against Iran. If they want to work towards peace in the region, than that is a noble goal that we should support. Missile strikes don’t often lead to peaceful resolutions, only murder.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 7:02pm

      I read the stories of crucifixions in Egypt and Iran’s saying Israel would soon be destroyed just before bedtime, fell asleep praying and when I woke, God told me to read Psalm 21. I took that to mean those prays had been heard, I’m praying God has a Cyrus for this day. Pray with me that we’ll see it soon!

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 7:07pm

      @Classical Liberal
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:48pm

      Yeah we are really treatened by a religious movement. Im shaking in my boots.

      Israel probably shouldn’t count on us supporting them if they commit an act of war against Iran. If they want to work towards peace in the region, than that is a noble goal that we should support. Missile strikes don’t often lead to peaceful resolutions, only murder
      ****
      Good thing Peace in the region means the terrorists are free to murder the Israelites (Yes! I do use the Bible term! ) and they’ll quietly be taken out then your on to something. HOW ABOUT THE DAILY BARRAGES OF MISSILE ATTACKS WHEN MOST HAVE IRANIAN MARKINGS ON THEM! IF THEY COME FROM THE ISLAMIC NEIGHBORS INSTEAD OF THE JEWS ARE THEY OKAY?

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    • Classical Liberal
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:31pm

      @Luke, godless fodder? Really? Because I disagree with your politics (of death), you believe me to be an atheist? How is that logic working out for ya?

      Also, to equate policies of war and death as Christian is shameful. If your preacher tells you to kill others for any reason whatsoever, you are not in a Christian church.

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  • Tickdog
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:06pm

    Oh i am sure there will be another “Bury your heads in the sand” part. That seems to be the american way now.

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    • woodyl1011fl
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:31pm

      The donkey has it‘s head buried alright but it’s not in the sand. LOL.

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  • libertyandresponsibility
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:39pm

    Lets see Iranians attack a US embassy. Act of war
    Iranian leaders often declear war against the Great and little satan since 1979. Also an act of war
    Iranian funds, trains, supplies terrorist groups that have killed Israeli, American and british troops.
    Iranians plan to kill two ambassadors in the US. Act of war

    America need to wake and see we’ve been at war with Iran since 1979

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  • FatPolice
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:59pm

    Hmmmm, let’s see how Iran views the situation..Israel, “Little Satan”…and America, “Big Satan”…Do we really need any other rationale for why Israel needs our support ? Seriously ?

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 7:16pm

      @FatPolice
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:59pm

      Hmmmm, let’s see how Iran views the situation..Israel, “Little Satan”…and America, “Big Satan”…Do we really need any other rationale for why Israel needs our support ? Seriously ?
      ****
      Read the story on WND.com about the Crucifixions of Christians, They assure all that the koran demands it of infidels wherever they bring sharia, then remember that many American judges are recognizes sharia. That, TOO, is a pretty strong Rationale for supporting Israel!!!!

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  • woodyee
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:39pm

    @ KIDCHARLEMAGNE –

    25 After you have had children and grandchildren and have lived in the land a long time—
    ” if you then become corrupt and make any kind of idol, doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God and arousing his anger, ”

    [THEN] 26 I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you this day that you will quickly perish from the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess. You will not live there long but will certainly be destroyed. 27 The Lord will scatter you among the peoples, and only a few of you will survive among the nations to which the Lord will drive you. 28 There you will worship man-made gods of wood and stone, which cannot see or hear or eat or smell. 29 But if from there you seek the Lord your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul. 30 When you are in distress and all these things have happened to you, then in later days you will return to the Lord your God and obey him.

    Also, I retract what I said about you being “worthless” and I’m sorry I said it.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:06pm

      Is it your contention then that the Jews were NEVER scattered out among the nations?

      Yes or no?

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:14pm

      No. They WERE scattered by the word of our Lord, never having stripped them of their right to be there.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:39pm

      woodyee
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:14pm
      No. They WERE scattered by the word of our Lord,
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      But you just got finished saying that it never happened though:

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      woodyee
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:25am
      The Lord was speaking about what he would do to them if they disobeyed them.
      ————————————————–

      Make up your mind, woodyee……….either they were scattered or they weren’t scattered……..

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:00pm

      @KIDCHARLEMAGNE –

      In response to my statement that the ROMANS tossed out the Jews, You said God threw them out, and then quoted a portion of Deut implying that the Jews don’t belong. You took Deut out of context. How could I possibly deny they were tossed out when I had just stated they were tossed by the Romans? Anybody home?

      Well, it’s evident that what the Lord said would happen DID happen, via the Romans, scattered, something I DID not deny. You quoted a portion of Deut to imply the Jews don’t belong in that area, in favor of another poster; I read and quoted the content of Deut to correct you, and apologized for what I said about you (which had nothing to do with our discussion). Truth may be a painful cut, but it is a good pain. Cuts scab over – if you leave the scab alone, the wounds will heal.

      “If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.
      – Saint Augustine of Hippo, 4th-5th Century theologian

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:10pm

      woodyee
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:00pm

      @KIDCHARLEMAGNE –

      You said God threw them out, and then quoted a portion of Deut implying that the Jews don’t belong.
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      I didn’t imply anything…….you said that the Romans threw them out…..

      I corrected you and said that God threw them out…..

      You just finished admitting that I was right……

      Case closed.

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  • woodyee
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:25am

    @KID CHARLEMAGNE –

    I just finished reading that chapter (Deut 4 – 27and 28) and you took it completely out of context. The Lord was speaking about what he would do to them if they disobeyed them. YOU have lost all credibility with me- you’re worthless.

    “If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.
    – Saint Augustine of Hippo, 4th-5th Century theologian

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:06pm

      Woodyee, if you are not a hypocrite, perhaps you should read what Christ, himself, had to say about the Zionist type Jews of his time. Read John chapter 8 before you start throwing stones at anyone.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:20pm

      woodyee
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:25am

      @KID CHARLEMAGNE –

      I just finished reading that chapter (Deut 4 – 27and 28) and you took it completely out of context. The Lord was speaking about what he would do to them if they disobeyed them.
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      They rejected Jesus as the Messiah……

      So in fact they DID disobey him……..

      It doesn’t look like the lights are on inside your kitchen today, woodyee…..

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:57pm

      @Kid
      Your entire argument is based on a viewpoint that is entirely subjective. From the Jewish perspective Jesus wasn’t the Messiah at all. Much like Shabbatai Tzvi of the Middle Ages, he is viewed as a false Messiah

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  • Arc
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:51am

    Before Egypt, Libya, Lebanon and Syria form a stronger Muslim coalition, Israel needs to hit Iran HARD.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:59am

      Perhaps you are unaware that all of this was planned back in 1996. It was a strategy for Israel that was written by American Jews with more loyalty to Israel than America. You look up the authors and see where they were when America was lied to in order to get their war for Israel.

      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:21am

      Jerk

      Perhaps you are unaware that 2700 years ago, God told us that Israel would reform as a nation, and that you and the rest of the libs can hate Israel, and try to wish them away all you want, but it will not happen. It terrifies you to see tiny little Israel in a giant sea of enemy Muslims that want to exterminate Israel. You cannot explain it, and being it validates the Bible, you are scared. It frightens you most when laying in bed, and all alone with your thoughts, trying to wish away God. It is all for naught, you will still stand before him one day.

      Amos 9:14-15
      I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the Lord your God.

      Isaiah 66:7-8
      “Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.”

      Ezekiel 37:21-22
      and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, o

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:29am

      It is a Zionist state calling itself Israel. It’s a fraud, established to fool people like you, so that you unknowingly become the false prophet… of which we were warned.

      Let the real Jews of Judaism, and not those worldly Jews of Zionism, set the record straight. You are lost.
      http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:05pm

      Jerk

      Hmmmm, so you are an expert on who the real Jew really is?

      You sound like a moon bat moron.

      Once again, the Bible told us that Israel would reform, and it has.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:16pm

      Rangerp, I know the difference between a political movement, Zionism, and Judaism. Perhaps you should read a little about Theodor Herzl and his worldly political movement ‘before’ you comment.

      http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/herzl/index.cfm

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:20pm

      Rangerp, ” the Bible told us that Israel would reform, and it has.”

      So, are we now to believe that you are now G-d’s judge? You’ve decided what reform is? You sound very similar to the people, not of Israel, but Judah, when Jeremiah was warning them about mending their ways.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:23pm

      rangerp
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:21am
      Perhaps you are unaware that 2700 years ago, God told us that Israel would reform as a nation,
      ===========================

      What else did God say though?:

      “I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but you are rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”
      -Revelation 2:9

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:30pm

      Jerk

      Perhaps you should read Ezekiel, Amos, Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Jeremiah, and Isaiah

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:39pm

      Rangerp, I have. Many times. That’s how I know that you are more false prophet than truth teller.

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    • pdw
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:29pm

      THE_JERK I see you also love to take out of context some facts to make a “point?” The extremist Muslims have been at war with Israel for many years only because they will not convert. God chose his people and all thru the scriptures he tells them so even down to the last days. This is what the conflict is over, the Muslims say that Israel stole their birthright and that they were not the chosen ones. 1996 is not even in question when it comes to preserving your country, by the way which is such a small country compared to what was given the Muslims at the end of the war. Why we allow bullies to try to run or destroy one country with the final objective to rule the whole world under the thumb of their faith or die?

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 7:34pm

      @PDW
      re : 1996 is not even in question when it comes to preserving your country, by the way which is such a small country compared to what was given the Muslims at the end of the war. Why we allow bullies to try to run or destroy one country with the final objective to rule the whole world under the thumb of their faith or die?
      ****
      Let me help stress this point. We have some Little towns in Ohio, (The libs used to sneeringly call them “Cow Towns” .) which may stretch out for 7 miles from end to end! Think that’s tiny? There are some places where the entire nation of Israel is 7 MILES WIDE!

      Report Post » Mil Mom  
  • alpha2omega47
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:38am

    Israel is surrounded by Muslims and we’re not ~ duh? Maybe the United States will see the Iranian threat in the same way Israel does ~ when Israel puts about 12 tactical nukes on Iran and the Ayatollahs and Ahmadinejad will be part of the remaining nuclear aftermath. Obama doesn’t pass up a chance to go to Saudi Arabia; to get his golden necklaces and trinkets from his Muslim brothers, but he can‘t make it to Israel because he’s campaigning or playing golf.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:42am

      Israel has nukes. Why shouldn’t others, duh?

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:45am

      Would you give Hitler a nuke?

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:52am

      No, but the Nazi-like Zionists already have it. That’s why all of the others need it too.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:55am

      The_Jerk

      “others” are calling for Israel to be taken off the map.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:59am

      The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:45am

      Would you give Hitler a nuke?
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      Hitler died 67 years ago…….

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:06am

      Rangerp, just for some perspective. Israel is the one calling for war. Iran has not attacked any nation in your lifetime. Israel has attacked multiple neighbors multiple times. True, they always have an excuse for their belligerent behavior. But then again, don’t all belligerent nations?

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:20am

      Jerk, your own statement proves the Jews are not Nazi like. If Hitler had nukes he would have used them without hesitation. I believe the nutjobs in Iran aree far more Nazi like thatn the Israelis.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:11pm

      Gonzo, you don’t know that, pure conjecture. So, to be fair, here’s more of the same that flows contrary to yours.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld#Views_on_current_affairs

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    • Yakov-Yurovsky
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:41pm

      CHRONOLOGICALLY, I’m a nazi sympathizer (thats history though). I would‘ve given Germany a nuke so they could’ve bombed Moscow and ended communism once in for all! $hit, it would’ve ended the war and saved lives too. But instead, Jewish scientists gave it to America and the rest is history. Poor Harry! lol

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 7:38pm

      @The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:42am

      Israel has nukes. Why shouldn’t others, duh?
      ***
      Because Israel has had them since the 1960′s and NEVER used then against their neighbors, EVEN WHEN CONSTANTLY PROVOKED, Iran passes weapons out to all Israel’s neighbors to use against her, AND IS BRAGGING SHE’LL SOON BE DESTROYED! duh?

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  • rangerp
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:15am

    If we just let more gays in our military and send women to Ranger school, those Iranians and North Koreans will behave and do the right thing.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 7:50pm

      @rangerp
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:15am

      If we just let more gays in our military and send women to Ranger school, those Iranians and North Koreans will behave and do the right thing
      ***
      Good point! And if they see a few more SAME SEX COUPLES WITH THE OFFICIAL TROOP‘S WELCOME HOME KISS PIC’S ….That’s bound to deliver us from the need to fear! ): ( …it really will, won’t it? Please say yes, even if we both know better!!!

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  • woodyee
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:08am

    “Dempsey says the U.S. doesn’t feel pressure to back an Israeli bombing campaign”

    Really? What a genius! The only reason Israel is talking to Gaybama’s hand puppets (they WILL obey his orders) is for old-times sake. The LAST thing Israel needs is to trust our Gaybama-run military with secrets necessary to her survival.

    Until Gaybama’s administration are purged of his appointments (“czars”, political promotions in the military, the DOJ, the FBI, and Panetta out of the CIA!), I wouldn’t trust them with foreknowledge of coming flatulence…

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  • carl_in_ohio
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:07am

    yes, of course their views are different.

    1. the bombs are pointed at Israel.
    2. Dempsey wants to keep his job and get a good fitness report.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:15am

      Far more Palestinians have been killed by Israelis than Israelis killed by Palestinians. It’s not even close. The propaganda has fooled you.

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:25am

      @Jerk
      Far more Palestinians have been murdered (unjustifiably) by their fellow Muslims than have been killed (justifiably or otherwise) by Jews. The comparison isn‘t even fair it’s so lopsided. The Palestinians who insist on continuing hostilities against Israelis do so knowing they are putting their peaceful neighbors at risk and in many cases are not above hiding behind said neighbors to save their cowardly skins.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:30am

      TZion, nice obfuscation. We are talking Jew on Palestinian violence, and vice versa.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:10am

      Tzion

      When you boil it down, the Jerk and other libs know in their heart of hearts that when Israel formed in 1948 to become a nation for the second time, that 10+ Bible prophecies were fulfilled.

      This terrifies the liberal mind. They hate the Bible, despise God, and don’t want to believe a bit of any of it.

      They have a very hard time explaining Israel, and how such a tiny nation in such a huge sea of enemy can survive, let alone thrive. To think that God has a hand in it terrifies them, as they do not want to even believe he exists.

      This is the reason for their hatred of Israel and love for the Muslim , and why they want to just wish Israel away. It validates God, and deflates their humanism. Knowing they will one day stand before the God of Israel put real fear in the libs. They think if they can just make Israel go away, then they make God go away. Neither will happen.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:19am

      Rangerp, just to show you how foolish your point is, let’s let them tell the story. You really do need to spend some time on this site.

      In their words: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 7:58pm

      @The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:15am

      Far more Palestinians have been killed by Israelis than Israelis killed by Palestinians. It’s not even close. The propaganda has fooled you
      You need to re-read the stories of the Photoshopped pictures, which AP finally admitted too. Of the same little girl being loaded into ambulances at many different rocket sites, with the same sorrowful father in many l of them, Of the many Photoshopped plumes of smoke going up in pictures to make it look like more bombings than there were.

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  • jungle J
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:56am

    The photo of the two generals speaks volumes..I know who I would follow….

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:02am

      If that’s how you form your decisions, then maybe it‘s a good idea that you don’t decide.

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  • jungle J
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:54am

    Only in an extremely ignorant or communists media enviornment would such a statement have to be made…we in the US are being preyed upon minute to minute by forces that all of the sane citizens know and see…but, the media calls us extremist or bigots or anti multiculturalst.when we speak of them…..we are surrounded by the mentally ill ,greedy and stupid being commanded by the enemy within.

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  • rose-ellen
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:42am

    Israeli settlers go into homes where arabs live and evict them and take their homes.How can you call yourselves american and support that! What would your reaction be if that happpened to you !If you claim that God gave them the right to throw people out of their own homes to live there themselves because their ancestors 2000years ago lived there[everyone is mixed including the arabs living there and the jews from europe]-then you’re not real americans-brainwashed gulls!

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:56am

      It boggles my mind that people can not see that fundamental truth.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:00am

      It is apartheid pure and simple;they give jewish settlers all the water they need while aabs have to rely on water tanks hencetheir water supply is intermittent. The israelis collect the sanitation of only jewish settlement while occupied arabs though under israeli control do how have sanitation pick up sevices. The israelis uproot the olive trees from the arab homes they‘re appropriating for themselves then take these trees and plant them in their traffic circles in their walled comminit you’ve been gulled to accept these blatant racist human rights ethnic cleansing and apartheid situation. Shame on you – right wing brainwashed by cagey fox right wing gulls.. Well the truth will out!The boogey man about iran is a pretext to confiscate more land for the zionists and to ethnically cleanse more arabs!

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:12am

      If the American people really knew the truth, I think that things would be different. This is why our media will not tell them the truth. For the not so lazy, this truth can be obtained, but it takes action by the curious.

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:17am

      Show me some proof to back up your allegation and I’ll show you how Palestinians go into Jewish Israeli houses and “evict” them from the world of the living by slitting their throats. The last time any Israeli evicted any population in its entirety was when the Israeli military evicted and forcibly removed Israelis living in Gaza.

      The fact is that all Israeli “settlers” built the houses they live in or bought them from those who did. And this isn‘t what some study says this is what I’ve seen myself. I’ve stayed in what you would likely call a “settlement” with a very nice religious family in a rather religious community. Not one house there was stolen from anyone and each has easy access to a nearby bomb shelter.

      Your backing the wrong side yet again Rosy. Look at the facts for once in your life. It is the PA that passed a law making it illegal for a Palestinian to sell land to a Jew. It is the PA that honors murderers and terrorists as heroes and role models. It is the PLO and Hamas who call for Israel’s annihilation. It is the PLO and Hamas that refuse to end hostilities and recognize Israel. It is the PLO and Hamas that to this day use the Pre-1948 British Mandate of Palestine’s image in their emblems, indicating clearly their desire to undo Israel’s creation.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Small_hamas_logo.gif
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plo_emblem.png

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:21am

      Thoe ones that “lived” in what is now Israel SOLD their worthless land to the Israeli’s, who did nothing more than re-purchase land that was once theirs. They turned it into a jewel, and now the animals want it back.

      Look what they did in Gaza when the Israeli’s foolishly gave it up – they took advanced agricultural centers and trashed them simply because they had once belonged to Israel. Then they stick their hands out for global welfare, and our gobblement foolishly fills it. The land of the “palestines” as the ROMANS named them after importing them to replace Jews they had thrown out, lies largely in Jordan (nearly 4 times the size of Israel). But they turned on Jordan, too, and suffered nearly 40,000 killed for biting the hand that fed them.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:32am

      woodyee
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:21am
      The land of the “palestines” as the ROMANS named them after importing them to replace Jews they had thrown out,
      ==================================================

      It wasn’t the ROMANS that threw them out though…..

      GOD threw them out!:

      “And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and you shall be left few in number among the heathen, where the LORD shall lead you.

      And there you shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.”
      -Deuteronomy 4:27-28

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:33am

      @Rose
      You really need to read what you write. That last post has so many misspellings, bad punctuations and redundancies as to be almost incomprehensible. By the way, I’m still waiting to hear how you justify Abbas himself calling for an ethnically pure Palestinian state while Israel accepts non-Jewish immigrants. Or maybe you’ll start by explaining why Palestinians are punished by the PA if they are caught SELLING land to Jews. The only way to claim Israelis are living in a house illegally is to use a law that by definition is a tool of an apartheid Palestinian government.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:45am

      TZion: “You really need to read what you write. That last post has so many misspellings, bad punctuations and redundancies as to be almost incomprehensible.”

      You are falling into the petty. Proof that the truth doesn’t support your version of reality.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:48am

      TZion, perhaps you should read what the Israels write: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/a-racist-jewish-state-1.225919

      The proof of your intellectual folly is everywhere.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:54am

      THE_JERK (aka NAVIN) you and ROSE-ELLEN should get a room so that the two of you can churn out more PLO children.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:02am

      RJJinGadsden, do you ever make a substantive point? Your writings mimic those of a child.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:18am

      @KID CHARLEMAGNE –

      I just finished reading that chapter and you took it completely out of context. The Lord was speaking about what he would do to them if they disobeyed them. YOU have lost all credibility with me- you’re worthless.

      “If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.
      – Saint Augustine of Hippo, 4th-5th Century theologian

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:28pm

      woodyee
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:18am

      The Lord was speaking about what he would do to them if they disobeyed them.
      =======================

      ……………and they did disobey Him…….

      …….and he scattered them out over the nations of the Earth (just like He said he would).

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 4:13pm

      @The_Jerk/Rose Ellen, Yeah, I’d kind of like some credible evidence about what you guys are saying myself. I’ve heard both sides of the argument and both sides seem to have flaws, so I still don’t know what the truth is. Tzion seems like a decent guy. I don’t buy all of his arguments 100%, but he’s corrected me on some things, taught me a few things, and has at least discussed things openly with me without calling me an anti-Semite, which is more than I can say for some of the whackier evangelicals on this site. I mean how are you guys so sure you’re on the right side? Tzion obviously has a personal interest, but has at least been there. If I had money, I’d just go over and find out for myself. Of course, I have a feeling if I went to ask the Palestinians for their side of the story, my head would get chopped off. I might get some BS from the Israelis, but at least I’d have my head for the trip home. Especially the_Jerk. We’re supposed to be all about individualism, but you seem to be lumping the palestinians into the good guys group and the Israelis into the bad guy group. Don‘t you think there’s probably good and bad people on both sides at least? Maybe, I‘m just not getting what you’re saying all the time.

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:50pm

      @Jerk
      You do realize that the Israeli paper you always cite has a very obvious leftist slant, right? Using that as a source is like using the NYT as a source for how well Obama is doing or whether we’re doing enough to help the poor. My views are based on what I have seen and heard myself and what I have heard from actual Israelis. And by Israelis I mean everyday people not the media.

      Oh and my comment about Rose’s writing was a legitimate criticism seeing as it took me having to read each clause twice just to get the gist of what she was trying to say. I also find it interesting that you sided with the person who supports the MB takeover in Egypt.

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  • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:35am

    Why is this so hard? If you want to bomb the hell out of Iran then have congress vote on a declaration of war. State the objectives and define victory. Execute an return home. Period.

    The endless, push button, war from above has to stop. We are supposed to be the good guys and follow the rules of law. The fact that we have spent over 20 years non-stop of dropping ordinance in the sandbox should probably tell you that it isn’t an issue of more ordinance. Enough is enough. Either declare war and win it or stop. The constant acts of war that we get away with is inexcusable. We wonder why central America and Iran and Russia and China work against our interests? How much ordinance have they dropped since the end of Desert Storm? How about us? If you can‘t vote on a declaration of war then don’t attack a country…period.

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  • nobull14
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:27am

    Panetta and Dempsey must of had a Brain fart to believe what there saying ?

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  • AJAYW
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:47am

    If anyone falls for —Quote: Oren quoted Defense Secretary Leon Panetta as saying the U.S. would stand by Israel if is attacked with missiles, but offered no additional details as to what standing by Israel would include. —– They need to get off obama’s kool-aid. It would not be a suprise if obama ordered a attact on Israel if they do……………

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:00am

      Israel is a warmongering nation. Israel’s interests are not our interests. America and Americans have suffered enough, and lost enough, for the interests of Israel.

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  • setoguro
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:45am

    Well at least an invitation was offered and it does look like America supports action against Iran or won’t block it. I’m all for not getting nuked and only putting it off a few more years. I getting this feeling that there is going to be a new president in America so if Iran is still working on nukes 3 years from now and coming close to completing the project maybe Romney will throw in for round 2 and help crush it for good.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:03am

      How much war and killing is enough for people like you?

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    • setoguro
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 4:43pm

      I don’t think I can actually give you a number but how about this the day they stop wanting to drive me, my friends, and my neighbors into the sea that’s when it will be over. ( or when I’m floating in the water)

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  • justangry
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:38am

    “proved to itself, to its enemies and the world that the era in which Israelis are murdered just because they are Jewish – is over!”

    Is that really it? Everything I heard was their focus was on the “zionist regime” and they’re angry at the treatment of the Palestinians. Not that they want to kill them because they’re Jewish. I mean they aren’t saying much of anything about their Russian allies that have a large Jewish population. What am I missing?

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:00am

      Sounds like Zionist propaganda to me:

      List of Synagogues In Iran

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    • tzion
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:41am

      @just
      So the numerous bombings against Israeli civilians in foreign countries is being done why exactly? Because of all the things Israel HASN’T done to Iran? Israel has done nothing to provoke Iran and yet Iran feels compelled to openly endorse, sponsor, and arm the very terrorists that seek to annihilate Israel, openly call for Israel’s destruction, and start a nuclear program when their country isn’t even industrialized. And all that was before Israel began presumably assassinating scientists.

      @kid
      Did it ever occur to you that those Persian Jews have been left alone for so long might be due to the threat of Israeli or international intervention?

      Or perhaps that Iran‘s problem isn’t with Jews as much as it is with Jews having any level of political or military power? The latter is quite likely in my opinion when you consider the way Islam has historically treated Jews and Christians as second-class citizens.

      We could even speculate that Iran and/or Iranians, either consciously or subconsciously, differentiates between Jews of Ashkenazi descent, like the majority (though not the entirety) of Israel, and Jews of Sephardic background, which includes Persian Jews. After all, Persia was a center for Judaism long before either Spain or central Europe. It would be hard for even a totalitarian regime like Iran to turn its people against the local Jews.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:08am

      TZion: “So the numerous bombings against Israeli civilians in foreign countries is being done why exactly? ”

      Because European and American Jews took Palestinian land, took Palestinian businesses, bulldozed Palestinian homes. Because Jewish Zionists are placing Palestinian people into ghettos and because these same Jews are walling in those ghettos; no different than the Reich.

      Really not a difficult concept to grasp.

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:12am

      Tzion, I’m not excusing it in anyway, but I thought it was because they believed that the “Zionist regime” were mistreating the Palestinians. I’ve heard similar complaints from University officials. Again this isn‘t my position I’m just trying to clarify theirs. Can you explain why Iran has a good relationship with Russia and their Jewish population if it is they just want to kill all the Jews?

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:38am

      tzion
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:41am
      @kid
      Did it ever occur to you that those Persian Jews have been left alone for so long might be due to the threat of Israeli or international intervention?
      ====================================

      No:

      —————————
      Iran’s Jews reject cash offer to move to Israel
      12 July 2007
      · Expats offer families £30,000 to emigrate
      · Our identity is not for sale, say community leaders
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/12/israel.iran

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:19am

    Right now the game between Iran and the US is simple:

    US – Obama believes sanctions will work, they are useless.
    Iran – playing for time til the first device is tested or used.
    Israel – fighting to keep from going into the eternal night.

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  • sawbuck
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:15am

    Israel only needs to do what ever is necessary, to have Iran’s nuclear march “Postponed ” ,
    Five months to the day.

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:11am

    Dempsey is a whore to Obama.
    Sooner is a lot better than later.
    Lets wait until I am re-elected then I will have more flexibility
    Our only democracy and long time ally in the ME will just have to wait on me!

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  • AllLost
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:10am

    Yeah, the US can’t quite believe Iran would really initiate a first strike to obliterate Israel even though Iran has claimed to do so over and over again. Israel of course takes them at their word. That is an existential difference of opinion.

    Enjoy seeing Israel on the map while you can.

    Of course if we are in the end times like some keep saying there is nothing to worry about.

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  • bikerdogred1
    Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:07am

    The U.S. has been wrong to many times,they may well be wrong now.

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