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Joy Behar: Is bin Laden Evil? This Priest’s Response May Surprise You

On Tuesday’s “Joy Behar Show,” Behar decided to delve into religion. And actually, that is not the most cringe-worthy part of this story.

The question she posed to her panel of a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest, and a Muslim imam centered on whether or not Osama bin Laden is evil. And would you be surprised to know that there wasn’t a unanimous answer?

The answer that might surprise you most came from Father Edward Beck, a religious correspondent for ABC News. According to him, bin Laden’s actions were evil, but in the end we can’t know if bin Laden himself was evil. And guess what, Behar said some of the most sensible things of the night when pressing him.

“I don’t think we can know the heart or mind of somebody, you really can’t know the motivation of somebody,” he said. When Behar asked why not and said she thinks you can, he responded to the effect that bin Laden thought he was just being a good Muslim.

“But you can rationalize anything and still be evil,” Behar pressed.

“But his actions are evil. Only God can judge the inner heart and soul of somebody. Only God sees the true motivation. … So how can you deem hiim as a person evil. All people are created in goodness and love.”

“Really?” Behar asked, which is probably what many are asking, especially considering the whole doctrine of original sin.

Besides Behar, the rabbi may have said it best when he called out the priest for “moral relativism:”

As Behar alluded to, Father Beck (no relation to Glenn) was on Bill O‘Reilly’s who earlier this week trumpeting a similar message. From NewsBusters:

According to the man ABC News relies on for religious analysis, it’s impossible to say whether Osama bin Laden was “evil.” Father Edward Beck, the network’s religion correspondent, appeared with Bill O‘Reilly on Tuesday and offered moral equivalence on the subject of the terrorist’s death.

When the O’Reilly Factor anchor pressed Beck on whether bin Laden truly represented malevolence, Beck replied, “That’s not for me to judge. His actions were certainly were evil.”

O’Reilly pressed Beck on this point, prompting the ABC News analyst to assert, “No, I think that‘s up to God to ultimately decide who’s evil.”

After asserting that the United States shouldn‘t celebrate bin Laden’s death “like a Super Bowl,” Beck compared American happiness over the terrorist’s death to Middle East examples, such as celebrating on 9/11: “Yes, but when you watch these people celebrating, how does it make us any better than those in the Mid East who celebrate when America falls?”

(This prompted Bernie Goldberg, who appeared in an unrelated O’Reilly Factor segment, to interject about Beck. He derided, “The idea that… the Palestinians celebrated when they attacked the World Trade Center, we’re just as bad if we celebrate when Osama bin Laden takes a bullet to the head. That’s pathetic. That’s pathetic. I mean, and that isn’t Catholicism, that’s liberalism.”)

Father Beck’s thoughts are curious. If we can’t know if a man is evil, then how can we ever take action against someone?

To be fair, the priest’s thoughts are outside the mainstream. Heck, even the Dalai Lama has suggested bin Laden’s death is justified:

Yet, in an appearance Tuesday at USC, he appeared to suggest that the United States was justified in killing Osama bin Laden.

As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness, the Dalai Lama said in answer to a question about the assassination of the Al Qaeda leader. But, he said, “Forgiveness doesn’t mean forget what happened. … If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures.”

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:36am

    It is true that in the end only God will judge the hearts of people. However the Bible and common sense enables us to figure out what is evil and what is good. This “lawyer mentality” has invaded everywhere to blur the lines of evil and good. Not to recognize evil and failure to name it is pure cowardice. Especially from a man of the cloth who is supposed to know the difference.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:07pm

      “However the Bible and common sense enables us to figure out what is evil and what is good”

      And the priest never denied that. You and Glenn are overlooking his distinction between judging actions and judging individuals.

      The statement “Bib Laden is evil” is theological nonsense if it implies that we are not also. Good is like pure. It is 100% or nothing. None of us are pure. We are all impure. None of us can stand before God and say, “I’m not as bad as Bin Laden” and claim that as any excuse for us.

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  • takemout
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:34am

    Evil people are defined by the evil they do. Maybe this is the same rationale from Fr. Beck that caused the Catholic Church to hide the pedophilia done by priests on innocent young children.

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    • gdbhusker
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:43am

      easy lumping all catholics with a few sicko’s…..the actions of some really evil S.O.B’s do not speak for the message or the mind set of those in my parish. I have never likened all the televangelist’s crooks and dopers, womanizers and homosexuals with the protestant beliefs..just a few absolutely evil people trying to hijack or mislead their congregation… we are all fallible because we are human….it is Christianity that is INfallible….not those who preach and teach…..peace be with you.

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  • TEIN
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:34am

    It is called “fruits of your labor”!!! OBL spent all of his days planning and thinking of ways to destroy people….it is not just any type of person who could strap explosives on someone or order them to fly into a plane into a building to kill themselves and others. This person had a jaded conscious. He did nothing to improve, buildup, inspire people in his own land to improve themselves. He took the ideology of that they were victims and that there needed to be justice, and killing the “infidels” would bring about this justice….Sounds like the ideology of some other people I know….Yes, his works and fruits were that of evil…

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  • gdbhusker
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:32am

    Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them, by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles ? I think what Jesus was saying, and the good priest forgot…was that evil begets evil, and good begets good. Also worth mentioning in the Judeo/ Christian mind is that most people get the translation wrong. They say that Christian beliefs will not allow us to kill because of the ten commandments… I submit to you that the text in both greek( Septuagint) and the Hebrew say ..“thou shall not commit murder”. The difference is that one MURDERS an innocent person…defenseless or without guilt, to kill as in the battles that have been fought, or as in capital punishment are not only allowed…but demanded!!!! it is what keeps the lawlessness from taking over….this priest needs to put down his progressive liberal playbook…and pick the bible back up..

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  • LTinUT
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:31am

    We are required to judge others on their actions. However, we are not to condemn them. Judging and condemning are very different things. We are also required to forgive others. However, there is no scripture anywhere that we are required to trust others (we are to trust God). Forgiveness and trust are also very different things. Too many are confused and have problems if they don’t understand these distinctions.

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    • sonseeker
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:04pm

      Excellent post, it is rare to find one who understands that….for some reason that is the most difficult concept in the adult sunday school class that i teach.

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    • Non-sequitur
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:21pm

      IIRC it’s judge not lest you be judged, not condemn not lest you be condemned.

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  • geonj
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:29am

    i would like to ask this priest if judas was evil or just his actions. the catholic church is very clear on the evil that is judas. how does fr. beck reconcile this with the evil that was osama.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:54am

      “the catholic church is very clear on the evil that is judas.”

      I’m not so sure that the Church is that clear about Judas BEING evil rather than DOING evil. As far as I know, no formal judgment has been made about his eternal destination. Dante doesn’t count.

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  • Cartooner
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:28am

    I bet Bin Laden would rather be waterboarded right now!

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  • conversationcanwork
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:28am

    Everyone is born the same way with a clean slate, it’s what you do with your life that matters.

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  • capitalismrocks
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:28am

    Behar is evil.

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  • taksavillage
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:27am

    As a conservative traditional Catholic, I must say that this priest’s opinion is embarrassing. But that’s the kind of person that is sought out by the media as a “commentator”. He is symptomatic of the problems that the Catholic Church is dealing with post Vatican II

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  • jeff.cooper
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:27am

    Waiting for Father Beck to say something stupid…oh, wait…
    Every time he opens his mouth he says stupid stuff like this, so I am wondering if he is just paid to be the fool. In his discussion with BOR, he kept falling back on the same argument that God is the only judge. Sorry Father Beck, but I am not surrendering my will to think so you can tell me what to believe. I can be my own judge and I say UBL got what he deserved.

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    • Non-sequitur
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:19pm

      Of course you’re free to judge as much as you want. You wouldn’t adhere to Christian teachings though. Father Beck does.

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  • Jenny Lind
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:26am

    Evil is as evil does.

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:24am

    “by their fruits you shall know them”
    An apple tree produces apples. An orange tree produces oranges. What kind of tree produces ‘evil’? An evil one. Osama was evil. He did evil things. He spoke hatefulness. He helped build evil organizations. He was evil and deserved death.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:54am

      Glenn often quotes this passage. But let me ask you, Is all the fruit on YOUR tree good? Have you never sinned, or have you succeeded in completely ceasing to sin? If you still sin, where does that sin come from and should we not judge you as evil too?

      Where is the cut-off line between normal sinners like you and I and people like Bib Laden. I have heard no thought of discussing that idea but I HAVE heard a lot that implies people think there IS such a dividing line and that they are on the good side and Bin Laden is on the evil side. The Gospel does not validate such thinking.

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  • WestOfThePecos
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:24am

    This why I converted to Judism.

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:24am

    All lines are blurred in today’s world. There are no black or white deeds, just compassion. How pathetic. Let’s get real and call things for what they are!!!!!

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  • PAPAROACH
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:24am

    There is never a drone around when you need one.

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  • Thunderstorm 316
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:21am

    You kill 3,000 people, YOUR EVIL!

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:51am

      How many people did Truman kill when he ordered the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagazaki?

      Or course, they are not they same thing. But that’s the point. The definition is not as simple as you make it. And that is apart from taking it to a higher spiritual levele which the priest was trying to do, even if he might been mistaken about temporal punishments for evil acts.

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    • Thunderstorm 316
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:07am

      Droping the bombs brought a end to the war with japan, so dont go there. The preist clearly needs to read the bible. And yes young liberal padawan it is that simple IF you have this thing in your life called GOD, you know, GOD tells you what is good and evil.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:32am

      I don‘t question Truman’s decisin to drop the bomb. My best friend’s father was on a navy ship headed to Japan in preparation for the land invasion. Millions of lives, both American and Jpaneese were saved by dropping those bombs. I was pointing out the error of making simplistic formulas to determine evil.

      You say God tells us “what is good and evil”. Did God tell us that Hiroshima was good but 9/11 was evil? I don’t read that in the Bible. I think we have to use human judgment based upon what clear moral truths God has revealed. But, more to the point, saying WHAT is good and evil is not the same thing as saying WHO is good and evil. NONE of us qualify as good, so doesn’t that make us evil? Jesus said we are were evil. So what then is the point of saying a person is evil rather than just his actions?

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    • Non-sequitur
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:09pm

      He personally killed 3000 people? Or did he order their deaths? Many American presidents ordered the deaths of more people, many of them innocent. Were they evil? They were making these decisions to help their own people, just like bin Laden was…

      It’s not as black and white as you make it out to be.

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    • cranby
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 6:21pm

      Thunder, you and a myriad of other simpletons who make such ridiculous statements as “he needs to go read his bible” obviously know nothing of the university degrees priests are required to get and the subjects they study in depth, Scripture obviously being one of them. This is besides the fact that they daily read Scripture while they celebrate Mass. Joy is enough of a fool, and you’re making a fool of yourself as well with these idiotic statements.

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    • Thunderstorm 316
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:24pm

      NO it is right VS. wrong, and with GOD in you it is simple to know the difference, all you two guy’s are doing is making long reasons why you are right. “Human Jugdement” have fun with that. I know to alot of people this is going to be “shocking” to here but you dont need the TLC of a pastor, preist, to tell you what is right and wrong in the bible, and to suggest that I need a grand establishment of people to have a meating on what is right and wrong will fail. So weather OBL ordered or carried out the act of killing 3,000 people all the same their blood is on his hands, he killed them. It is that simple WOW, and to think it only took 622charaters to right that.

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  • trooper
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:21am

    Oh Joy, please replace your depends under garment because you really are stinking up the studio!

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  • I.Gaspar
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:20am

    two obvious facts:
    Bin Laden IS evil.
    Joy Behar is a pig.

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  • NOBALONEY
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:18am

    Father Beck is sure making the rounds?

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  • nacilbuper
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:17am

    Joy, how funny. She said we should just give them a book deal for 6 million, when the reward was 25 million. What a fool. Then Whoopie says we should not dis the President mean while she did exactly that to Bush in 2005.

    Those B@#$% should be kissing the ground Bush walks on. He kept us safe for 7 years after 9/11. Obama has done nothing but set us up for WAR!

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  • awall1231
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:16am

    I can understand the lefts dilema with the killing of Osama. on one side he killed thousands of working Americans that beleived in working to acheive their goals. On the other side, he killed thousands of Americans who paid taxes which pay for welfare and foodstamps which the left depends on to stay alive. tough spot to be in for the leftys. on a lighter note they say Osama made a video before he was killed and its popularity is on the rise to number one with a bullet.

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  • Cemoto78
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:16am

    Both of them need a sock in their mouth.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:15am

    We are not to stand on judgment of the individual; we do judge the ACTIONS and DEEDS of the individual though. For the actions of OBL was to commit murder and thus was judged on those lines when the raid was carried out. To capture if possible, or deal with if not.

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:59am

      I don’t think anyone but a left thinking lib would consider letting that pig live if they had him in their sights.
      I have heard the debate a couple of times about whether UBL was evil or not. It never ceases to amaze me how cowardly people are when it comes to swallowing the pc thing to say and admitting that some people are just allied to satan.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:20am

      Kate, you speak as a fool with no understanding or interest in spiritual things. I can’t imagine St. Francis wanting to kill Bin Laden. He would want to preach the Gospel to him. I have no problem with the seals taking him out, but if I had him in my power I, as a Christian, would be more interested in saving his soul than taking his life. But I wouldn’t get in the way of his rightful execution.

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    • beckisnuts
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:35am

      Actions and the individual responsible for them are inseparable. Period. End of story.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:48am

      Bckisnuts, that is the principle of GUILT. That is not the same thing as determinations of a person being evil. Unless you are willing to admit you yourself are evil or can prove you have never done anything God forbids you have no business pointing a finger and proclaiming another person evil. Spiritually, we can only judge actions, not the individual.

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    • jerry Graham
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 9:08pm

      It’s amazing the contortions people go through to redefine sin.

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  • smak
    Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:14am

    Acts evil. Is evil. Same thing. Semantics.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:16am

      Depends on how you chocse to believe in the faiths of the world. For me, we do not judge the person yet they are resposible and accountable for WHAT they do…and in this case murder at the least with OBL.

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    • nacilbuper
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:25am

      Please, do not report on Larry and Joy. Those loosers should be left for their own viewers. And most of their viewers are the ones in the Nursing Homes that can‘t reach the remote and the nurse won’t answer the call button.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:26am

      What a deceptive and destructive message to anyone listening. False doctrines from false teachers! Jesus said go and sin no more. UBL was very conscious and deliberate about his mass killing plans. He had time to contemplate them over and over again. Each of us is made in the image of God (inside) and the Holy Spirit of God does convict persons of what is right and what is wrong (all the time). Mostly people find ways to push these convictions out of their hearts and minds to continue on a path that suits them. When you do that, you set yourself most decisively apart (by choice) from God to do what? Evil!!!!! Men choose to do evil, they are not made to do it.

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    • Gold Coin & Economic News
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:26am

      Those that don’t recognize evil when they are slapped in the face with it must be evil themselves.

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    • CatB
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:29am

      Joyless should not try to be “deep” … she only shows she is NOT!

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    • hersey10
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:30am

      I’d rather throw up on my own feet than watch anything with Maude in it .

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    • beckisnuts
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:33am

      What do you expect from a guy who is in a religion that has historically been a country club for pedophiles?

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    • LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:33am

      after listing to a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest, and a Muslim imam
      all i got out of it was a headache :-(

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    • Rational Man
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:36am

      Just because that idiot can’t judge between good and evil, (can’t tell the difference), doesn‘t mean the rest of us can’t. A priest that confused?……go figure!

      The Catholic church is so corrupt it is becoming more irrelevant every day!
      You don’t like my opinion…..tuff!…….. The truth hurts sometimes!

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:42am

      The priest is making the distinction between judging acts and judging people. Many there and here don’t seem to understand the distinction and why it is important.

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    • Girl
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:42am

      You shall KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS, the Bible clearly states. Therefore, aren’t we to assume that we can judge evil? God will judge the person, yes, but, we can KNOW if they are evil or not. The opposite of good is evil. You just need to ask “What defines good?”. Then, define evil. BIN LADEN WAS AN EVIL MAN who wanted to kill people in the name of Islam. Anytime you kill another person because of your religious beliefs (yes, even Christians), then IT IS NOT GOOD – it is evil. That is exactly what Satan wants you to do to make God evil when it is not really God doing the evil, but Satan himself.

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    • BIGJAYINPA
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:51am

      Okay. In one sense I agree with the Father. We can’t know what is in the heart of a person, only God can judge that. And a person that commits an evil deed can repent and ask forgiveness for his evil deed. But a person who commits evil and continues to commit evil must be stopped. And if the only way to stop the person is to kill them, then so be it. Did U/ObL repent his evil deeds and ask forgiveness before the bullet stopped him from committing more?? I don’t know, he has stood before Allah or the God of Abraham (you pick it according to your beliefs) and He has judged him and O/Ubl is currently enjoying or otherwise his reward. There may or may not be evil PEOPLE but there are surely EVIL-DOERS and they must be stopped, by force if necessary.

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    • lovenfl3
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:55am

      I think it’s one of the safest calls any religious person could ever make, I’m voting for YES, he is evil. Now that wasn’t so hard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXvykO3qVF4

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:55am

      What defines us more than our actions…..Someone please ask this priest that simple question.
      What defined Christ more than his action….. If he acted differently say with arrogance and contempt to man would he still be viewed in the same light in Christian teachings. No
      A man or woman are what they do and they do what they are when given the opportunity to do so.
      Usama chose his path and he walked it with pride …..Usama is evil.
      Maybe someone should ask that priest was Hitler evil,was Ted Bundy evil, was Wayne Williams evil.
      Evil act done on purpose are done by evil people. I would argue that a person in a fit of rage or all messed up on drugs could do something evil and still be a good person at heart. But Usama evil act spands over a decadeIt was a mistake or a momentary lack of judgement…he meant to do what he did.

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    • Finch88
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:57am

      Of course he is evil and they know it.

      http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos

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    • Noumenon
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:58am

      Father Beck’s disinterested meta-ethical intellectualism is about as relevant to practical reason as moral nihilism.

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    • Noumenon
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:00am

      By his logic, no one can really say whether Jesus was good, since no one but God knows what was in his heart.

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    • No1YaKnow
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:02am

      We don’t hold the ultimate judgment, no. But the man was evil–whether he believes he is being a good Muslim or not, that points out that merely in Father Beck’s words alone that he equates being a good Muslim with being evil. You can philosophy this crap all day long- OBL was evil. No matter what religion you ascribe to, if you believe it justifies killing people to achieve your goals, you are EVIL.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:05am

      There are liberal priests too. They don’t make any sense.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:10am

      @BIGJAYINPA
      “And a person that commits an evil deed can repent and ask forgiveness for his evil deed. But a person who commits evil and continues to commit evil must be stopped.”

      Bingo. There is a difference between withholding final judgment on a person’s soul and punishing his actions in this life. The priest made two points which he may think are connected, and many others here may agree with him. But it is wrong. Just because we don‘t know how God would judge another’s soul doesn‘t mean we can’t punish him for his evil actions. And just because we should punish people for their evil actions, and judge between evil and good, doesn’t mean we can judge between evil people and good with any absolute clarity. This side of the Day of Judgement I can‘t say for SURE that Hitler is going to hell and I’m not.

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    • Non-sequitur
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:43am

      I actually like the answer of the priest since, as a Christian, it is not upon him to judge anyone.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:57am

      I completely agree with all of you:
      The inherent difficulty in producing a consensus out of moral-theological argumentation means that such things should be left out of practical policy-making.

      That is what all of you were saying right?

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:57am

      “By his logic, no one can really say whether Jesus was good, since no one but God knows what was in his heart.”

      That would be true, if God had not REVEALED the truth to us. It says in his Word that Jesus was without sin. That makes him good. But none of us can claim the same thing. What does that make us? I’ll give you a clue. Jesus told us. We are all evil.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:16pm

      @non sequitor

      Jesus once said (paraphrased) that any man that harms a child should have a millstone tied around his neck and thrown into the sea. That does not sound like an unwillingness to judge evil. This quote is conveniently overlooked by most clergy.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:49pm

      Next question…Joy, are you evil?

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    • Untameable-kate
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:52pm

      Isles,
      Hopefully some day everyone here will be as pious and God like as you. Until then please try to refrain from being so judgemental as to other peoples convictions. You are ,in my humble opinion, a person who feels they have found the moral high ground and all who disagree are beneath you. Shame on you, Christ told us to be humble not arrogant or condescending.

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    • Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:22pm

      This guy needs to get a clue. When Jesus said to love thy enemy he really meant put a bullet in his Think Meat. Jesus is so misquoted. Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock on the door with your boot heel and drill the first person who resists being zip tied. It is easier for a bullet to pass through Bin Laden’s head than a rich man to get into heaven. So dont’ worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring it’s own worries. Wasting Bin Laden is enough for today.

      Jesus was sooo prophetic and timely.

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    • AriBenTZion
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:28pm

      Who in the world cares what this postmenopausal D O X Y says or does?

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    • AriBenTZion
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:33pm

      A rabbi, a priest, and a Lutheran minister walk into a bar. The bartender looks up and says, “Is this some kind of joke?”

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:34pm

      Father when you say this I have to disagree
      .
      “As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness”
      .
      . The source of my disagreement is that the only ones that could give forgiveness for their Murder can’t be reached for comment at this time.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:34pm

      “please try to refrain from being so judgemental as to other peoples convictions. ”

      Kate, do you read any of YOUR comments? You surely must not. I have here been defending this priest against attacks against him because of his theological judgments. Your responce is possitively insane.

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    • AriBenTZion
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:35pm

      A priest, a rabbi, and a pastor are sitting in a bar, across the street from a brothel.

      They are sipping their drinks when they see a rabbi walk in to the brothel.
      “Oy! It’s awful to see a man of the cloth give into temptation”, says the rabbi.

      A short while later, they see a pastor walk into the brothel.
      “Damn! It’s terrible to see a man of the cloth give into such temptation”, says the pastor.

      In a little bit, they see a priest enter the brothel.
      “It’s nice to see the ladies, who have been used so poorly, have time to confess their sins”, says the priest.

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    • Kalish
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:40pm

      This is the problem when you are taught bad theology, they want to replace the justice of God with the love of God, God has so many attributes, you cannot just limit Him to Love or any other single attribute.

      God called many people in the bible evil, Jesus did many times.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:45pm

      Just remember, judging of humans is different then judging of God…

      Humans are to allow God’s word, the Bible, to guide them, to keep them on the narrow, and to give guidance on what to do and not do…The Word is to be shared to those who do not know it and do not live it…That is our purpose…

      God almighty will then judge each of us according to his word and issue judgement, or sentencing to each of us…Those who strive to live his word will have eternal life, those who didn’t will cease to exist…

      To judge is a play on words…It does appear to us Osama is evil in the worldly sense but we also look evil in the eyes of those we bomb…

      So instead of saying Osama is “evil” I‘d instead say Osama didn’t live by God’s Word…

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    • muhamadhater
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 2:08pm

      well said Chief

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    • SharonHawthorne
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 2:36pm

      Father Beck doesn’t know his bible well. Jesus said they are known by their fruits. If they produce evil fruit then they are evil. God said I would rather ye be cold or hot. Lukewarm will be spewed out of his mouth. Good and evil can not inhabit the same vessel.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 3:54pm

      “If they produce evil fruit then they are evil.”

      What about YOUR fruit? Any bad apples in your behavior? Or are you sinless? Jesus statement here is often misused as being descriptive when it is actually more prescriptive. Jesus is saying that our fruit SHOULD be good if we are God’s children. But in this life we live with two nature, a fallen one and a spiritual one. Every sinful act is due to our sinful nature. Every food act is due to the Spirit of God breathed into us at creation and rebreathednin our salvation.

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    • cranby
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 6:10pm

      As a Catholic with a masters in theology, I always cringe when I see any religious person, and especially Catholic priests, asked such questions in a forum which in no way allows them the necessary time needed to adequately explain themselves. Their answers rely on an understanding of the basic premises of moral theology, topics which people get PhD’s in. This never ends well. You can no more ask a medical doctor to explain why he did what he did in a 2 minutes sound bite and expect to fully understand it. If any of you reading this don’t understand my point, I‘m guessing you’re products of the Detroit school system. In all seriousness, I wish they would just quit going on these shows and spare me and thousands of other faithful Catholics the headaches.

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    • Lucy Larue
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 7:12pm

      SMAK,
      I agree. But don’t tell us. Tell the good Father Beck.
      I saw this priest on O’Reilly. He is an unctious man.
      The Rabbi made the correct call. He is a moral relativist.

      Only God knows what this so called priest would have been thinking back in the 40′s during WWII. UGH!

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 7:46pm

      CRANBY, I think that’s what Jesus had in mind when he advised us not to throw pearls before swine.

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    • Professional Infidel
      Posted on May 5, 2011 at 9:32pm

      monsinor makes me puke

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on May 6, 2011 at 8:19am

      This preacher is a joke.

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    • ginsberg
      Posted on May 6, 2011 at 9:55am

      The priest said his actions were evil, so that is how one could have justification for taking action against him. This priest isnt saying we should not have killed bin ladin, but nice try on the hit job blaze. Im sure the families of civilians who died thanks to blackwater or our soldiers think we harbor some evil people. Like beck said, it is up to god if she exists to determine evil.

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    • kimber1959
      Posted on May 6, 2011 at 11:12am

      Oh, so let’s pick on the Priest. Let’s not forget, we ‘Americans’ brutally murder over 3000 human beings everyday!! Innocent, little children :-( Osama Bin Laden murdered because of religious beliefs, Americans, however, do so, out of convience. Like the Priest said; Only God can judge the human heart, and our actions. Osama Bin Ladens
      actions were very terrible, yet, so is anyone that kills children. So, lets remove the beam from our own eye before we start condeming.

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