Judge Orders TX School District to Apologize to Agnostic Family in Prayer Spat
- Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:41am by
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Corwyn Schultz, an agnostic and a former high school student in the Medina Valley Independent School District, took a stand against what he and his family saw as illegal and coercive graduation prayers last year. While a judge initially issued a restraining order that rendered the prayers an impossibility, a higher court overturned this decision.
The legal battle, which was handled by Americans United for Separation of Church and State, finally came to a close — or so it seemed — last month when the parties reached a settlement. But, alas, new drama seems to be unfolding.
Here’s a June 2011 CNN interview with the Schultz family that provides more information on the case:
On Monday, Chief U.S. District Judge Fred Biery issued an order that requires the district‘s Superintendent James Stansberry and high school band director Keith Riley to apologize to Schultz’s family for allegedly disparaging comments that were made about the case.
These statements, which were reportedly posted on social media and uttered on television, were made after the family decided to sue the district over the inclusion of school prayer. Chron.com has more about the dilemma:
The comments apparently violated a settlement, reached in February, in which the district agreed administrators and other employees will not pray with students, elicit prayer, proselytize or display religious artifacts in the classroom (except jewelry). The deal also includes a clause in which the district agreed its employees will not disparage the plaintiffs.
Organized prayer is allowed under the settlement, but commencement programs will have a disclaimer saying the statements made by students are their own and not an endorsement by the district.
Here is a Nov. 2011 video from a luncheon held by Americans United to honor Schultz for his actions against the district:
Following the announcement that the deal had been reached, Stansberry apparently went on a television interview and called the lawsuit a “witch hunt.” Additionally, he claimed that the family “wanted our teachers to stop wearing crosses.” This latter statement was apparently untrue, as religious jewelry was explicitly permitted in the settlement.
Riley, too, was accused of inappropriately commenting about the incident. On Facebook, he allegedly posted a comment that read, “don’t get me started on the lies and false accusations,” referring to Shultz and his family. The judge’s order also claimed that Riley “liked” a comment from another recent graduate that said, ”There should be a disclaimer after a prayer that says: ‘No atheists or anti-religious-activists were harmed in the recitation of this prayer.’”
The punishment for these offenses? Biery has ordered district employees to sign a statement of apology within the next 10 days. Additionally, he is requiring the agnostic family to sign a statement, too, saying that they accept.
“The court does not expect the parties to hold hands and sing ‘Kumbaya’ around a campfire beside the Medina River,” the judge wrote. “Nor does the court expect the respondents to engage in a public spectacle of self-flagellation for communicating words better left unsaid.” Biery continued:
“Moreover, the court does not expect plaintiffs to become Traditional Christians, though the court suggests plaintiffs might follow the moral and civility lessons of Matthew 5:39 (’if someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also’) and a portion of ‘Essay on Criticism’ (’to err is human; to forgive, divine’).”
The school currently has no comment on the matter.
(H/T: Chron.com)




















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Comments (134)
wifezilla
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:48amPeople seem to have a hard time understanding personal religious freedom vs religious coercion. Do you believe in individual freedom or not? If so, you wouldn’t be advocating for religious people to be able to bully those who do not share their beliefs and use public resources to do it.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:22pmFirst of all, you have a problem with the word coercion. No one is being forced to comply with prayer.
Second, schools routinely bully those who don’t share their beliefs, and they are using public money to carry out that bullying. So called sex education comes to mind, education that is akin to promiscuity and porno. Forced tolerance to gay rights and the promotion of gay rights also comes to mind. That is real coercion and bullying, as is the concept of hate speech.
Report Post »palerider54
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:39pmBoo hoo boo hoo, poor little atheist. If simple bullying and rejection are unbearable just wait until arrive at the gates of H### and read the inscription “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here”.
If judges are elected in Texas, they should make sure this judge is out of a job next cycle.
If appointed, go after the Governor who appointed him..
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:28pmThis is not any school officials forcing anyone to pray. It is students in their graduation ceremony praying. Students are not gov’t employees and are allowed to pray at school. School does not have to be free from religion. But the school itself cannot promote one religion over another.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:49pmUNCONSTITUTIONAL: Government is forbidden from involvement in Religion!
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 3:46pmI would have you go to a good Dictionary for an explanation of words before you use them.
Report Post »ron_mexico
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 5:45pmThe boy and his mom just look creepy. There, I said it.
Report Post »lonep
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:59pmthen why should non religous persons be allowed bully believeres???!!!!!!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on March 21, 2012 at 12:44amAnd I order this Judge to apologize to Christian families in his district and to “Go Straight To Hell”.
Report Post »Nathen
Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:21amIt is constitutional for prayer in schools. It is ok for schools to encourage prayer. It is legal and constitutional for people to be in government institutions where there is prayer. There is no separation of church and state in the constitution. The only thing that cannot happen is the United States government OR a state or local government establish an OFFICIAL religion for its people. The government also cannot prevent people from practicing religion. It is unconstitutional for a school or government to prevent prayer in school, public places, and anywhere else. Some people just aren’t well educated enough to understand this basic concept. Our constitution is very strict and very easy to understand. If more people would take the time to actually read it, American politics would be a much better situation.
Report Post »ConstLaw
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 3:28am@ palerider54 U.S. District Judge Fred Biery is a Federal Judge and not a Texas State Judge. He was appointed by President William Clinton and confirmed by the U.S. Senate. Don’t blame Texas.
Report Post »Once A Marine Always An American
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 1:54pm@LUKERW – What do you mean? Do you mean that it is uncostitutional for the government to mandate that organized prayer is not allowed in public schools, or that it is unconstitutional to allow organized prayer in public schools.
Amendment I
Report Post »Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
TiocFaidhArLa
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:38amWorst people? Scotch Irish? Wat a ***, you are probably an englishman twit.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:04pmI think you nailed it, TIO. In some of BAIK’s earlier posts, including a reply to me, Baik (don’t know or care the gender) included in the reply the time of his/her post. There was a 15 minute difference between the reply was typed and it was posted. I‘m not sure if there’s a lag if you post intercontinentally or not, but I smell a dyed-in-the-wool LIMEY! An Islam-lovin’ LIMEY come to spread his filthy gospel here!
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:00pm@JACKTHETOAD
Report Post »Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:04pm
‘In some of BAIK’s earlier posts, including a reply to me, Baik (don’t know or care the gender) included in the reply the time of his/her post. …, but I smell a dyed-in-the-wool LIMEY! An Islam-lovin’ LIMEY come to spread his filthy gospel here’
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Lol, only the Irish and Scottish differentiate between themselves and the English. The rest of the world does not. You people are cure and insignificant, except for the tourist crap. grim, grey, dark, alcoholic, violent nuts, the lot. I do like the English better.
JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:09pmYou think we’re insignificant, just wait until the Muslims are done with your lot. You’ll know the true meaning of the word.
Report Post »Owt_Raged
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:19amSeems like the rights of the few, (about 5% in the US) are once again trumping the majority. Funny, the liberals claim this is a democracy except when they are outnumbered by moral, sane people, then suddenly we are haters, racist, and fear-mongering.
People are going to pray, get over it! 95% of the people on this planet believe in a supreme being. I am tired of having my rights trampled by a few vocal people who think 95% of the world is wrong and they are right.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:26pmIt fluctuates a bit depending on the sample size and agency but the percentage of people with “no religious affiliation” in america is between 10-20%. Around 65-80% of Americans “affiliate with” christian mythology. Just keeping the numbers straight.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:04pm@Owt_Raged
“95% of the people on this planet believe in a supreme being”
Perhaps 95% of people will say they believe in a supreme being, but how many actually reflect that in their actions? Take a priest who molests kids, do you really think that priest actually believes the crap (religion) he’s selling? Or how about the head of a chemical company who goes to church and sings hymns on Sunday, then dumps deadly pollutants into a river on Monday? Or how about Ted Haggard, preaching the word while his favorite pastime was smoking meth with a male prostitute?
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:38pmThank you for pointing out these particular people. Perhaps others would like to also chime in on some other particulars of the atheists and agnostics flavor that claim to be above others and yet are rotten to the core.
“We are all sinners” come to mind.
P.S. As you may guess, I do not agree with atheists and agnostics point of view but in this argument, I’m not knocking their stance/religion/beliefs I am stating that if you are going to put all people who believe in God on a certain plateau, then you have no choice but to do the same and COMPARE.
When I think of people who believe in God, I think of the faithful apostles, Mother Teresa, Father Michael J. McGivney, Pope John Paul II… to name a few… and how they changed people and their outlook towards people and life. Obviously the Waterboro Baptist Church and Tammy Faye’s husband are not who I mean.
When it comes to atheism and agnostics, I think of the Wiccans and how they claim to be so empowered but in the end appear to be nothing more than a goth child porn targeting group. “Teen Emo Vampire” websites chasing teenagers is an example.
I also consider the Q for LGBTQ which for quite a while was quietly removed and “forgotten to be mentioned” Of course this is when it was reported that Q’s were only told to “explore” ONLY the “other letters”. Leading to a question. How come there is no S in their letters? I thought they were for equal rights?
Report Post »Why is their group everything BUT straight?
Baikonur
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:14amChristians–the real ones are good people. The ones you want to follow and who you love and respect because of the example they set.
Christians are confident in their message and in the example they set for others to follow. They behave honorably and do good and are kind.
The barbarous heathens who aim to exclude the poor, women, minorities from equal participation in life are bloodthirsty and not really Christians.
I love the fact that Catholics are not voting for Santorum in the Republican primaries. The Church itself, the Body of Christ, rejects his hatred and lack of understanding.
As do all civilized people reject the ignorant conspiracy theories generating from this site, Republican or Democrat.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:30pmThe hate and condescension in your own words defines you as being one of those you criticize.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:51pmDon’t make a generalized statement that has no facts. This is only reply I will make, as I have a rule about not feeding trolls. Clever trying to sound so Christian, then sliding in garbage, but i now your name now.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:12pm@Jenny Lind
“Don’t make a generalized statement that has no facts.”
Have you ever read any comments on this site? That’s all conservatives do.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:57amNo fallacies there, Mammal, except the fallacy of the separation of church and state clause of the Constitution. Do you think the 1st Amendmant is a fallacy, too?
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:18pmI‘m well aware that the separation of church and state is not a constitutionally mandated idea and I’m the staunchest supporter of free speech there is. I don’t care if people pray, they can sit and talk to themselves all they want – doesn’t bother me. The only reason i made that post was to highlight how arbitrary the argument is.
Don’t like abortion? – don’t get one. Don’t like guns? – don’t get one. Don’t like america? – leave. Don’t like slavery? – don’t buy a slave. Don’t like evolution taught to your kids? – don’t send them to school. Don‘t like that women can’t vote? – move somewhere they can.
These types of arguments are basically arguing that we should leave things how they are and people can just adapt around it. This is not how our country works. Our laws and principles and concepts of what‘s moral and what’s immoral change over time – usually for the better. The issue is never as simple as don’t like it – dont do it.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:30pmSo what then, you think our laws, values and precepts are changing for the better? I don’t, and I’m not alone. Not only will I not comply, I’m done turning the other cheek too. Bring it on!
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:31pmBut just to clarify, I am not making any statement about the content of the article or the state of religious rights in America. I only have a problem with the way such an argument was made. It could have been made about anything, it’s just the wrong mindset to have when arguing your opinion.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:42pmThe time for splitting verbal hairs is just about over, if you haven’t noticed. Don‘t poke me with a sharp stick and I won’t show you my teeth.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:03pm@JACKTHETOAD
Report Post »Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:42pm
‘Don‘t poke me with a sharp stick and I won’t show you my teeth.’
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You have no teeth. Life passed you by and moved on to a place where bigots and racists have no place in the sun.
The_Jerk
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:10pmMammalOne, the fact is, there was no separation of church and state written into the Constitution. There were state churches at the time of the writing.
Report Post »And, you are correct that morals change. The problem is that very few follow the rules of change written into the Constitution. If morals change, then use the amending process to implement that change. Do not permit a very small minority of judges to implement that change, as they have done for the past 100 years.
JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:18pmBAIKOUR, I’m neither a bigot nor a racist, or a violent alcholic. BTW, you stink of Beefeater and limes.
Report Post »opinionista
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:52amForced apologies are ridiculous. As a parent and a former teacher, I never forced anyone to apologize. At most I might suggest that they apologize. This is about as senseless as forcing an adulterer to wear a red A.
Report Post »bigspike
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 3:55pmi‘m guessing he’s still waiting for an apology from his parents for naming him ‘corwyn’…the @$$ kickings on the playground must have been ATROCIOUS!
Report Post »BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:39amThe school board needs to take the stance of ….WE WILL NOT COMPLY !!!!!! NO and HELL NO !
Throw me in jail if you wish. Keep me there for eternity, but I WILL NOT COMPLY.
What does the judge do if they do not comply? What option are you left with? A tongue lashing? Jail time? Ohhhh … I know… how about community service at the agnostics for freedom from hearing a prayer service center?
At some point people are not going to comply anymore. What is going to be acceptable punishment? This is where the IRON FIST comes into play. Are you going to slap someone across the face if they don’t comply? What are the options? Not many. Either you sit down and let the people win or you “beat them into submission.” Which way do you think your government will be leaning since they have been given unbelievable powers? This is the epitome of the argument for LIMITED GOVERNMENT. Our founders knew this and therefore gave us the Constitution. To limit the governments ability to put their thumbs on the people when they decided that enough was enough. Why do you think the government is trying their hardest to take away your guns? It makes it a little easier to suppress you when you decide that you “WILL NOT COMPLY”.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:53amThe courts will impose fines, then when not paid, confiscate property through force of government. This is how a minority controls the majority.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:58amWe are becoming a minority rules country. Our Republic and our Constitution are being destroyed.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:09am“Our Republic and our Constitution are being destroyed.”
By a very small minority.
Report Post »Counter-Culture Revolutionist
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:33amThis is a very significant ruling. It denies employees their right of religious expression, which is forbidden by the First Amendment.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:07pmBut (also important) in the case the ordered James Stansberry and Keith Riley to express verbally an opinion they did not hold. I would think that Freedom of Speech covers the freedom not to be forced to say something. Maybe it’s just me.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:29amJews are, and have been, leading the attack on our Christian heritage.
http://au.org/about/people/gregory-m-lipper
http://au.org/tags/mikey-weinstein
It is not anti-Semitic to point out anti-Christian.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:20am@The_Jerk
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:29am
‘Jews are, and have been, leading the attack on our Christian heritage.
It is not anti-Semitic to point out anti-Christian.’
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Your heritage is not Christian. It may call itself that, but it is not. Your heritage is that of poor Scots-Irish who competed with black people once they were freed for paid agricultural work in the South. Your racism and ignorance are as Christian as clitoridectomies and honor killings are Islamic.
Real Christians, and all good, decent people, are philosophers and do-gooders. Not like you.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:26pmMarx was a philosopher and, many thought him a do-gooder. Nice try.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:39pmWhat’s wrong with the Scots-Irish? I got a lot of Scotish blood in me. Probably where I get my libertarian streak from. You think less of me because of that?
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 2:15pm@justangry
Report Post »Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:39pm
‘What’s wrong with the Scots-Irish? I got a lot of Scotish blood in me. Probably where I get my libertarian streak from. You think less of me because of that?’
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Of course I don’t. I just fell into the trap of getting angry and saying mean things to hurt back.
JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 2:22pmBAIKNOUR – That sounds pretty racist and bigoted to me, mate. The ice on the Thames just broke under your feet. Cheerio!
Report Post »justangry
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 2:25pmFair enough, it happens.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 4:27pmBAIKONUR – Where’d you go? Back under the London Bridge, you bleedin’ great hypocritical fairy of a troll you? I get YOUR place in the sun by default, you bigoted racist you. Aye, it’s a brrrrroad, brrrict, moonlicht nicht tonicht!
Report Post »Superpower
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:20amExercise your right to free speech and contact Chief U.S. District Judge Fred Biery at (210) 472-6505 and tell him what you think.
Report Post »piper60
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:20amNEVER apologize for being a christian. Never.
Report Post »skiz
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:36amAmen!!!
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:47amHe wasn’t ordered to apologize for being christian. He has to apologize for lying and slandering someone as per the legal settlement he agreed upon.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:11amWhat is with these judges “sentencing” people to “apologize” for their transgressions? This is the same mentality as the Leftist “tax and spend = charity” pablum. It‘s not charity if you’re not spending your own money, and it‘s not an apology if you’re not choosing to do it of your own volition. These are going to be the worst forms of non-apologies and non-acceptances EVAR! That means there is less than no point in their performance.
I think it does go to the heart of what I said IAT. At the center of every Religionist’s heart is a tiny core of hate. Even after the case was settled agreeably by all parties, these religious people decided that wasn’t good enough and decided to disparage their opponents in public in direct contradiction of the written agreement. *facepalm*
This is why I don’t debate Religionist ilk face to face. The irrationality might be contagious.
Report Post »sonnetswan
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:18amThe hate is coming from inside you. Your life dissolves when the light of God shines on it, therefore you must actively try to put out that light. I will pray for you,
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:24amPersonal attacks are becoming a common place with religionist, it would seem. I guess they fail to understand what “love your enemies, . . . pray for those who persectute you” means. Not that any religious person in THIS country should ever feel “persectuted”, to begin with. Those who say so are being childish.
Having said that, I agree that “making someone apologize” [by court mandate] is ridiculously absurd.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:47amSonnetSwan. . . . . . [nice avatar and user name, BTW], I don’t have hate for christians. Not at all! I really don’t have a hatred for anyone. I have a disgust for many who have an unenlightened and/or violent mindset towards common sense and reason [such as muslim extreemists]. I’m not a perfect person, by any means, but just because I don’t have “a god” doesn’t make me hate filled.
Now, I have seen MANY proponents of the christian faith that openly post personal attacks upon me and other non-religious persons.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:08am@DeavonReye
Of course you don’t hate people who have come to a different conclusion than you. You just call them “unenlightened” and imply that they lack common sense.
I could make the argument that believing the elements and forces of the universe all happened without intelligence shows a pitiful lack of common sense..
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:10amLike both sides of this issue, some Christians where their religion on their sleeves and they misinterpret the scriptures in the Bible and in speaking go overboard. By the same token some Atheist wear their “religion” on their sleeves and feel they have a right to be free from hearing from Christians. If you don’t believe in God, go to church tell me how does a hearing prayer hurt you? What physical harm comes to you. Roll your eyes if it will make you feel better. You don’t believe in God, you don’t believe prayer, we get that, but you don’t have the right to deny us that privilege. Nobody died and made you King. Both sides have no respect for each other and both have been and are in the wrong.
These administrators should have known better than to bare false witness. Shame on them.
Report Post »sonnetswan
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:21am@Deavonreye,
I have seen many proponents of Christianity call me names also, but my ‘sin’ was supporting Ron Paul for president. While I cannot apologize for those self-asserting Christians, I can empathize with you. My Christianity is the product of my personal relationship with Jesus, not a membership in an organized church.
The issue, I believe, in this story is the judge ordering an apology and an onslaught of anti-christian sentiment in the media and the legal system in this country. While I don’t by any means condone hateful behavior, the culprits are acting from a gut feeling that something is rotten in these United States.
Thanks, by the way, for your kind words about my name and icon. The icon is a person picture and the name stems from my hobby of writing poetry.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:12pmSonnetSwan, . . . It is truly absurd for a judge to require “an apology”, for sure.
As for how heated topics can get here on theblaze.com, I understand how you were getting attacked for your stance on Ron Paul. I’m not stating who I would vote for, but Ron Paul has a lot of positives that are attractive to my world view. Not everything, of course, but I find it a shame that he hasn’t progressed as far as the two top candidates.
Having said that, stand by your convictions and let the attacks roll off your back. :-)
Report Post »Listen_then_think
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:11amI will disparage Schultz as is my right. Good job you nazi! He received a religious liberty award? That is as perverted as it gets right there. When you degrade and disparage God and what he and this country stands for, you need to go to a different country, NOT get an award for it.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 12:15pmThe only ones “degrading” your deity are the ones who profess to follow him and yet continue to act so very un-christ-like, even after being told not to do these things in a legal settlement.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:06pm@Listen_then_think
Look up Godwin’s Law.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:09amIf our President is truly a Christian, why is it everything that happens like this, he supports everything except Christanity?
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 2:01pmDon’t be fooled. Obama is anti-Christian.
The foundation of America was founded on Judeo Christian values. Freedom of conscience, freedom to believe as one choices, freedom to protect one-self and one’s family, freedom of property ownership, freedom to reap what one sows.
Obama would do away with every one of these freedoms if given the opportunity. If you think he has been bad for the last 3+ years, get ready for hell on earth if he is re-elected.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:56amIf you don’t believe in God, how can prayer offend you? I don’t believe in Santa but, kids writing letters to Santa doesn’t offend me.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:58amYou would be fine if they took a break to get prayer rugs out and have everyone pray facing Mecca before the ceremonies?
Report Post »skiz
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:03amCorrect again GONZO. I am secure in myself and my religion. I am not offended by anything. The left is nothing more than a bunch of pansies!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:06amI”m guessing it was a pretty generic prayer with no mention of which deity was being invoked Mama.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:15am.
Gonzo,
I hate to tell you this but. “Santa Lives!” I played him a couple of months ago for my grandkids…..
To prove Santa Lives, I have a question for ya. Who do you have more faith in? A make believe Jolly Fat Man in a Red Suit, that fly’s around the world in one night, delivering toys and good cheer to all the good boys & girls, including this Monkey. Or the Black Guy in the White House?…..
You don‘t have to answer if you don’t want to lol…….
Report Post »skiz
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:16amHey @mammalone~ How lame! If the majority of the kids at a school were muslim, I do not have a problem with them praying w/ the rugs out, as you put it. Seperatrion of church and state is a myth made up by secularists like you. But dont worry the tide is turning and people like you will be on the defensive soon. We are taking back this country “ONE NATION UNDER GOD” like it or not starting this November.
Report Post »BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:17amThe point is that progressives must get God out so that Communism can be instituted. Progressives use these people (useful idiots) to accomplish an agenda. Any time they can find someone who will fight God in schools it makes them wet themselves because it assists in getting God out of the minds of children and adults. You remember don’t you. Hitler and Stalin attacked religion as well.
Religion and God are in direct opposition to Communism and Socialism. Religion is the only immunity that will keep the evil of these policital beliefs at a distance. Remove religion and people will be more susceptible to believing that these forms of government will work. This is not about civil rights….it is about attacking people’s shield that naturally stands in the way of EVIL. Why do you think they have been attacking the Catholic church over the years. If you want Communism you must destroy all forms of religious thinking and behavior without going over the top. Going over the top is reserved for when Communism becomes accepted. Then you can really attack faith…..just in a more overt….threatning kind of way.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:23amMonkey, your belief in Santa offeneds me so deeply, I am contacting the blaze to have you removed. If you invoke the Easter Bunny, I’m calling the Feds!
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:03amGonzo—News flash! Santa was at the Senate and saw Pelosi…..He said Ho,Ho,Ho,. The slander trial starts next month.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 11:12am.
Report Post »If that’s the case, Easter Bunny, Easter Bunny, Easter Bunny! And I’m gonna call up the Tooth Fairy for good measure………..
sonnetswan
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:55amThe next stage in the globalist agenda.
First anti-racist really means anti-white,
now religous freedom means anti-Christian.
I sincerely everyone truly knows what they believe in.
Report Post »sonnetswan
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:59amI sincerely ‘hope’….
Report Post »auntbea
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:02amWar Against Christianity/War Against America
Report Post »just happy
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:31pmyou post your opinions thoughtfully and without Malice. I am still learning that self control. thank you for teaching.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:54amI am so fed up with this BS. If a kid wants to pray at graduation he/she is allowed. If they don’t want to then so be it. If you don’t want to pray, then don’t but let others that want to…let them. What do you dopey liberals always say “Hey, if it‘s not hurting anyone then what’s the big deal”…right? So why are you liberal/communists against prayer? It ain’t hurting anyone…it is a form of the 1A and in NO violation. So please explain why?
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:53amanother whiny loser so greatly offended by others praying. why do these whiny trouble makers seem to get their ways these days. well I truly enjoyed the the judges comments. what bothers me the most is that his mother is condoning his actions. I hope she loves him dearly because this boy has a future, living in her basement until he is 50. last time I checked employers dont really like lawsuit happy whiny folks.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:53amIn JESUS’ name, Do Not Comply. The order is false and issued by one who serves another god.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:44amDo Not Comply for sure. Why is it that Christians are falling over like frightened sheep and not standing up to these bullies. It burns my a$$
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:52amDOUBLE SPEAK ALERT!!!
They are now going to call themselves “agnostics.“ Probably because ”atheist” has received its proper amount negative connotation. Be aware.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:47amCheck your collectivism. Agnostics and atheists are not the same thing, and not all of either group is the in-your-face militant type that wants to infringe upon your 1st amendment rights. I’m an agnostic, but I participate in holidays, services, etc. with my Christian family and friends for the benefit of congregation and family. I even pray. The folks that use the government to disparage your beliefs are as offensive to me as they are to you.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:52amA JUDGE orders them? Why? Do Judges make EVERYONE who is offended by ATHEISTS apologize? This is seriously getting ridiculous! The COMMIES are winning…
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:55amDid you even read the story? He violated the terms of a legal settlement.
Report Post »sonnetswan
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:02amA judge orders an apology? Doesn’t remorse come from the heart and spirit?
Dare I say ‘thought police’?
Report Post »CapitalistUno
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:25am@Mammal, even though there was a legal settlement, the settlement was inherently flawed in that it was unconstitutionally instituted. You’re obviously unfamiliar with equal access rights, and how they pertain to the individual right of the *student* to practice their religion however they want, even in a public forum such as a school graduation ceremony.
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:09pmBeing an agnostic makes you a Commie? Can you even define what Communism is? (The answer to both of those questions is “no”)
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 6:39pmSure I can .. listen to an EXPERT HERE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8rT76vNmxc
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:49amTo the Christian family and the school district employees; DO NOT COMPLY!
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:08pm@JACKTHETOAD
Report Post »Telling people not to comply with a court order. What a good citizen you are.
JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 1:25pmYou’re a good citizen too, Vance. Just what the New Order is looking for.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 3:05pmVance? Vance? Where’d you go? It’s just as well. I checked out your comments and retorts. They’re not even lame. Oooooohh! VANCEUPPERCUT! What a scary handle! It should be VANCENOTEVENABITCHSLAP.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:49amI would apologize on the day I was ice skating in Hell.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:47amThis is a really stupid story. Some guy violated the terms of his settlement and now has to apologize for it. Ok.
Next.
Report Post »momsense
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:46amYou don’t like the prayers–don’t attend graduation.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 9:53amYou don’t like not being able to pray – don’t go to graduation.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:05amYou like bashing and removing all traces of the Judeo-Christian principles this great nation was founded uopn from the public arena? Go to hell.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:44amI was just pointing out the fallacy of such an argument.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 20, 2012 at 10:58amPlease scroll up page, Mammal. I forgot the leave a reply thing.
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