Judge Rules Mississippi’s Only Abortion Clinic Can Stay Open for Now, While Allowing Strict Law to Take Effect
- Posted on July 14, 2012 at 8:40am by
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Abortion opponents Melissa Steen, left, and Ashley Sigrest hug during their protest outside Mississippi's only abortion clinic in Jackson, Miss. earlier this month. A judge on Friday allowed Mississippi's anti-abortion law to take effect but said the clinic can remain open without penalty as it tries to comply with new requirements. (AP Photo)
JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — The future of Mississippi‘s only clinic where women can get an abortion remains unclear after a federal judge’s ruling in a closely watched court case.
(Related: Judge Temporarily Blocks Mississippi Law That Could Shut Down State’s Only Abortion Clinic)
U.S. District Judge Daniel P. Jordan III ruled Friday that a strict abortion law passed by the Republican-controlled legislature can take effect, but he gave the clinic more time to comply with the law‘s requirements and said it won’t face any criminal or civil penalties as it tries to do so.
The law requires anyone who performs abortions at the clinic to be an OB-GYN with privileges to admit patients to a local hospital. The clinic’s two out-of-state OB-GYNS don’t have those privileges and have had difficulty getting them from local hospitals.
“We do not yet know whether the clinic will obtain admitting and staff privileges,” the judge wrote. “As both parties stated during the hearing, the resolution of that issue will impact the ultimate issues in this case.”
Both sides claimed partial victory Friday evening.
“The federal judge has provided crucial temporary protection for the clinic and its physicians,” said Nancy Northup, the president and CEO of the New York-based Center for Reproductive Rights, which has been helping the clinic in the lawsuit. “We will remain vigilant in our fight to ensure the clinic isn’t subject to penalties that would force its doors to close and deprive Mississippi women of their constitutionally-protected rights.”
Gov. Phil Bryant said Friday he was “gratified” that the judge will allow the law to start taking effect.
“Mississippi will continue to defend this important measure as the legal process moves forward,” the Republican governor said in a news release.
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The clinic, Jackson Women’s Health Organization, has said it could be forced out of business with the admitting privileges requirement, making it nearly impossible to get an abortion in Mississippi.
The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled states can’t place undue burdens on, or create substantial obstacles to, women seeking abortions.
The clinic said its OB-GYNs have applied for admitting privileges at most Jackson-area hospitals but haven’t received responses. When clinic employees called a Catholic hospital to ask about applying for privileges, clinic owner Diane Derzis recently said, “We were told not to bother.”
The clinic sued the state June 27 seeking to block the law. Jordan temporarily blocked the measure July 1, the day it was supposed to take effect. He heard arguments Wednesday about the clinic’s request for a longer injunction, and granted the request in part on Friday.
Jordan wrote that the dispute over the law is a “fluid situation.”
“The act will be allowed to take effect, but plaintiffs will not be subject to the risk of criminal or civil penalties at this time or in the future for operating without the relevant privileges,” wrote the judge, an appointee of former President George W. Bush.
AP
Jordan noted that during Wednesday’s hearing, clinic attorneys said the facility would continue to seek hospital admitting privileges. He wrote that he blocked penalties because the clinic had shown it would face “irreparable injury” if criminal prosecution or civil penalties were possible if the clinic didn’t obtain the privileges quickly.
“Given the highly charged political context of this case and the ambiguity still present, the court finds that there would be a chilling effect on the plaintiffs’ willingness to continue operating the clinic until they obtained necessary privileges,” he wrote.
Supporters of the law passed by the GOP-controlled Legislature this year said it’s designed to protect patients, and Bryant has said he hopes it will help make Mississippi “abortion-free.”
Republican state Rep. Sam Mims, who sponsored the law, said he’s also pleased Jordan allowed the law to take effect.
“I am confident that the new legislation will result in the improvement of health care for women,” Mims said.
The state health officer, Dr. Mary Currier, filed a sworn statement in federal court Thursday showing how long it would take to fully implement the law if it takes effect. If the clinic is inspected and found out of compliance, it would get about 10 months to try to follow the mandates and to exhaust its administrative appeals with the Health Department. If the clinic loses its state license, it would then get more time to appeal to a state court.
Health Department spokeswoman Liz Sharlot said Currier and other department officials were reviewing the judge‘s decision late Friday to see what the agency’s next steps will be.
The clinic says its physicians perform almost all of the roughly 2,000 abortions that are performed in Mississippi each year. If Mississippi physicians perform 10 or fewer abortions a month, or 100 or fewer a year, they can avoid having their offices regulated as abortion facilities.
A spokeswoman for Pro-Life Mississippi, Tanya Britton, said Friday of the judge’s ruling that keeps the clinic open for now: “It’s not a victory for the women of the state of Mississippi. This law was always about their health. If a woman is going to have an abortion and if people who perform abortions say they really care about the health of women, then they should want the best standard of care.”
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Passerby
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:32amAll the equations of macroscopic science are well behaved continuous functions.
State an exception, I defy you.
What that means, is simple, nothing changes instantly. It’s a smooth curve. Shades of gray.
Got it?
————–
That means that if a month before conception everyone agrees the child is very very close to being 0% human, and a monthy after birth, very very close to being 100% human, somewhere in between, the child is 50% human.
People with weak personalities, find comfort in drawing black and white lines, conception, birth, etc. They pretend it happens instantly at some point, because that way they don’t have to make any difficult moral decisions.
***If one’s opinion is based on science, abortion is never guilt free, it’s shades of gray.***
And, for instance, if 50% murder on average per abortion, if,…
50% murder/abortion x 2,000,000 abortions = 1,000,000 murders
That’s what science says. Abortion lovers base their decision on when it’s the cold blooded murder of millions of poor innocent children on pure ignorant superstition, they totally ignore science.
Report Post »berlet98
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 3:35amWhen Is a Baby Not a Baby? Never!
Some newborns emerge from their mother’s womb all scrunched-up, some scratched by forceps or by their own, delicate fingernails, all covered in amniotic goo, most with a cry, a rare few looking as if they were ready, willing, and able to take on the world.
However they make their grand entrance, their moment of birth, all babies have one important feature in common: They have been babies for about 280 days, from the moment of conception, a fact abortionists choose to ignore in the interests of maintaining the illusion that they aren’t baby murderers.
Among many other pro-abort liberals, DNC chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) has said that contending human life begins at conception is “extreme and radical,” an opinion now vividly shown to be extreme and radical, assuming human appearances are not de-facto proof of humanity.
The truth that libs are terminating a human life has been confirmed once again in a BBC first, amazing time-lapse evidence of the development of the human face.
See first ever still pictures and a 43 second video, as well as the first ever MRI footage of twins’ activity in the womb and another of an actual birth at http://tinyurl.com/7658l87.
Notably but not at all surprisingly, the BBC narrator refers only to the face of an “embryo,” not to the visage of a human baby. Too much
Report Post »JEANNIEMAC
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:16pmhttp://voices.yahoo.com/do-aborted-babies-enhance-flavor-food-you-8180343.html?cat=22
Report Post »Do you know what you’re eating?
Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:31pmSocial liberals are fine with that but they get outraged if the food isn’t organic.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:52pmIf you want to end abortions, do not concentrate on the religious aspects. Concentrate on the temporal, here-and-now aspects, the factors that lead women to seek an abortion in the first place. Work on those, and you will find an end to abortion. Continuing thinking the end-all-be-all is calling these women sinners and murders, and abortion will never end.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 8:49pmMost of them do it b/c they made stupid choices and they don’t want to take responsibility for them. You’re just making excuses for them.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:19pm@BADDOGGY is one of those stupid people who think they are smart.
Report Post »What really dumb, juvenile, inarticulate drivel he/she post.
And, abortion is not murder to most sane folks and the law.
MCDAVE
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:34pmBelieve what you want ..don’t expect me to pay for abortions…Obamacare is evil.Obama the baby killer is evil….How many Good people and just leaders have been killed even before they had a chance at life ?….Watch and see, Gods Graces will come to Mississippi,for making the right choice……. Its really simple,when you go against the will of God,your society self destructs. I challenge anyone to show me an example of a society who lost its morality and prospered for long.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:41am@MCDAVE
I can‘t wait to see your God’s grace on the people who less than 2 years ago where 46% of people questioned said interracial marriage should illegal.
I can‘t wait to see your God’s grace on the State who less than 3 years ago ranked 1st in teen pregnancy and ranked last in high school graduation rate.
Mississippi is backwards.
Btw, how’s that small and limited government working for you?
Face it, you people on here don’t want limited government. You just want your version of big government. I don’t hear you calling these Republican marxists, progressives, communists, radicals, Muslim, atheist, socialists for over-regulating something out of existent that has been ruled constitutional by our supreme court.
Report Post »JimmyP
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:57pmwhat part of “stops a human heartbeat” do you not get?
Report Post »PASSIONFORCHRIST
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:13pmThis is for RealLiibertarian:
Report Post »We are all sheep gone astray! You can say sin doesn‘t exist but it’s really so irrelevant what you believe or think! The truth is that man is in need of a SAVIOR, GOD HAS PROVIDED ONE! THE ONLY THING ANYONE IS GOING TO BE JUDGED ON IS WHAT THEY DID WITH THE FREE GIFT OF SALVATION THROUGH CHRIST AND CHRIST ALONE! EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS!!! CHOOSE WHO SIDE YOUR GOING TO BE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bullcrapbuster
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:10pmWomen can kill another human being in self defence and that alone is the only justification for abortion. Abortion for convenience sake is outrite murder. Many have been duped into thinking that a baby is something else while it is in the womb. It is reasonably easy to talk a young woman out of an abortion if one explains to her in the proper spirit exactly what a grievous sin against her child,God and nature, is the crime of abortion.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 7:58pmIt’s the only sin one can commit, right?
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 2:41pmToo bad this issue has devolved into hysterical and unreasoning cliches such as “IT’S MURDER! YOU SUPPORT MURDER” instead of a reasoned look at the underlying issues of why women would seek abortion in the first place.
This article tries to take a balanced look at the struggles women are faced that lead to them seeking an abortion, from both sides of the issue.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22689931/ns/health-womens_health/t/whos-getting-abortions-not-who-youd-think/
Yes, I know it says MSNBC, but try opening your mind and not dismissing it out of hand. It is actually an AP article.
“I don’t think most people understand that these are women who have families, who are making a very serious decision about their reproductive health…The stereotype is that the decision is made lightly. It is not.”
Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 3:17pmWow…while we are at it why donnt we go talk to Chales Manson and see what the underlying cause was for him to murder people?
There is an underlying cause. Its called SIN against God by murder of His children!
Report Post »RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 3:48pmThere is no such thing as ‘sin’. It is nothing but a human construct designed to control the unthinking sheep.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 3:50pmBADDOGGY — “Wow…while we are at it why donnt we go talk to Chales Manson and see what the underlying cause was for him to murder people?”
You’re right, we absolutely should. Understanding why he did it, what lead him to that path, even if it is just pure insanity, helps us prevent it from happening again in the future.
Just as it would with abortion. If you want to call it murder, that is all well and fine. But hysterical condemnations, however sincerely they may be felt, do nothing to prevent abortions from happening. It is not a simple desire for sin that drives women to seek an abortion. Getting to the root causes may help prevent further abortions in the future.
Report Post »RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 3:58pmThat will never happen, Bruce. The same people who want to ban abortion also want to ban all references to sex in society. They rail against sex ed, rail against the availability of birth control, rail against society in general, since it provides freedom for people to do as they wish. If this country would pull it’s head out of its fundament and accept that sex is a natural part of life, unrelated to religion or marriage, and actually deal with it as rational adults, we could drop our rates of abortion, sexual assault, and teenage pregnancy, as has been done in Europe.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 4:21pmREALLIBERTARIAN — I know, unfortunately. People like BADDOGGY think they are fighting abortion, but their hysterical extreme does little to nothing to prevent a single woman from getting an abortion nor does it do anything to address why a woman would seek to get an abortion in the first place.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 4:27pmIn fact, as you said, in their hysteria, they are hurting their cause. They do not want women (not men) having access to birth control, they do not want sex education in schools so that teens, who may soon be having sex, know the facts so they can prevent pregnancy. In the end, they will drive more women to seek abortions.
Report Post »marine249
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 4:48pm@BRUCE P>
Report Post »because he was and is a nut.
Stoic one
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:08pmI just finished this conversation with my wife. This is my Opinion.
I am personally pro-life. What a woman chooses is her business with God and her man. She has to answer to herself, God, and her man(eventually). [In my case 24yrs later I communicated with her]
While I would hope she chooses adoption, I realize this will appear to not be an option for many.
So then we are at the action being committed by the woman & her doctor. This is their decision, based on their beliefs/ world-views.
I and ALL of you MUST tolerate this above mentioned action. The Supreme Court has bestowed this “right” upon women of this land.
My belief is that NO government money, federal-state-local, goes to the funding of this action. Any monies that do not come from the woman or her insurance, must come from PRIVATE sources.
This I can tolerate.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:26pmBADDOGGY — oh, big deal, you have protested against abortion. Yes, it takes a lot of courage to tell a woman going through what may be the toughest moment of their lives that they are murderers. It takes a lot of courage to sit on the internet and condemn them.
So what? What have you done to help women who may be considering having an abortion? I‘ll tell you what you’ve done, not a single damn rotten thing. Calling a woman names and condemning her does not prevent a single abortion.
What have you done to try to HELP these women? To help them so they do not have to make such a terrible choice?
Nothing, that is what you have done. Because that might actually take hard, serious work. Because helping them may rob you of the opportunity to condemn someone as a sinner.
What choose to do instead is lazy cowardice.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:35pmSTOIC ONE — I think you make a very reasoned argument and I wish there were more people like you here. However, I will disagree with you on one point…
“I and ALL of you MUST tolerate this above mentioned action. The Supreme Court has bestowed this “right” upon women of this land.”
No, we don’t have to tolerate it. We have the right to be intolerant. And in that, we have a right to change things.
However, our right of intolerance does not mean we are allowed to strip others of their own rights. Someone may be intolerant of abortion, they may work to prevent abortions, but no one has a right to force a woman not to have one.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:53pmBRUCE P.
You and I are getting into semantics. What you are describing as intolerance, I would describe as activism. Do not like a law? Work to change it. On this we agree. I thank you for your clarification. I was speaking to what IS the current societal standard. You are most certainly correct; with focused activism this state can be changed.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 6:08pmSpeaking to those that outright CONDEMN abortion…
I am a man that lost the ‘discussion’ about keeping the baby or having an abortion.
Go ahead and condemn me; I participated in the termination of a potential life.
I still VIVIDLY REMEMBER the emotional turmoil that I was going through.
Most importantly what the woman was going through, her evaluation of me at the time, and her spiritual worldview. What was the perfect answer? I do not know.
Abortion was not my choice; I had to abide by that choice though. This medium is not the place for a detailed discussion.
In my life , there has never been a place where the saying “Do not judge a man until you have walked in his shoes” , has had a better fit.
In our society lots of things are messy…..this is one of them.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:47am@BADDOGGY
Don’t worry Baddoggy, I”m sure your prayers for God to stop giving babies to women who he knows will get an abortion will soon be answered. He’s so compassionate, powerful, all knowing and so anti abortion that he will soon see how idiotic it is for him to keep giving babies to women who he knows will get an abortion.
Report Post »kimosd1
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 2:23pm@realliibertarian
“Secular law, which is the only law that counts in this country, says it is not murder, so that argument is pointless. And my Goddess is fine with that.”
By your reasoning the Holocaust would be justifiable, secular law is the only law that counts. Right !
Report Post »RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 2:40pmSo the people of Germany voted for the Holocaust? Most of them didn’t even know it was happening. We have checks and balances in this country and a USSC to determine what is in accordance with the US Constitution. So your argument fails on all levels.
Report Post »kimosd1
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 3:07pm@realliibertarian
Report Post »Wow, I knew I shouldn’t have commented on a post by such a “real” intellect. I never said that the people of Germany voted for the Holocaust…I just stated that by your reasoning, extrapolated out that the Holocaust was justifiable because a country governed by only secular law can declare anything “constitutional”. The Nazi regime also had it’s courts to provide the necessary checks and balances.
RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 3:53pmOf course the people can vote for any laws that they wish. In this country, as long as they are not against the Constitution (and there is not one word in the Consitution about abortion), then the laws are enacted and added to the books. Since the USSC said that the right to privacy of her body is a more pressing need that kowtowing to the religious nuts, the USSC said that Roe is constitutional and the law of the land.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:10pmYou will NEVER reach these dolts and zealots.
Report Post »So convinced god, if he exists, is on their side.
Questioning their own faith is above their heads.
And that what the RIGHT to terminate a pregnancy dies.
Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 8:59pmAnd the liberaltarian thinks that the Supreme court writes our laws.
Voiceofnoreason – You dumb atheists have no morals that are based on anything, so you have no room to criticize anybody on anything.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 3:00am@GIT-R-DONE
This coming from the man who looks at Abraham willing to gut his kid and say, “yeah, I can honor that man because he was following God’s orders.”
This coming from the man who can look at Lott offering up his daughters to a mob to get raped and say, “yeah, that’s a righteous dude.”
This coming from the man who accepts that a human sacrifice was necessary for the sake of humanity.
This coming from the man who worship a supposed “loving” God, a Gods whose teaching boils down to, “choose to worship me or go to hell.”
You’re not moral, not at all.
I look at a human sacrifice(especially one that is supposedly for my sake) and say, “no, that’s not necessary, I don’t want that. Stop this evil.”
You need a scapegoat for your “sins.” There is NOTHING moral about you, not at all.
You don’t live the way you do out or morality, you live the way you do out of obedience. Obedience isn’t morality.
My morality comes from reason, rationality, common sense, logic, discussion, debate and it is constantly getting question, double and triple checked.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 1:41pmShame on you all. You have let trolls derail the comments considerably. So far, bad doggy is the only one man enough to roll up his sleeves and address the mess. Where are YOU, huh? Log in and reply if you’re reading this.
You need to realize just how many people read these stories. We get hundreds of thousands of views and other such traffic every week. C’mon, step it up! All wars are won in the trenches!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 3:11pmIm here fighting the fight. No real men here…a bunch of candy a@@es.
Report Post »Thanks for the recognition Cabrito…
antitheist
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 4:37pmAll baddoggy has done is parrot right wing nonsensical talking points while butchering the English language and insulting others with childish remarks.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 3:43pmsigh….be more vigilant next time you guys….this converation has been completely shut down. The agitators got a foothold this time. Make sure this doesn’t happen again. Stay sharp!
Report Post »Midwest Blonde
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:58amWhile I object to abortions, I find the law to be right – the doctor performing the abortion SHOULD have hospital privileges IN CASE OF EMERGENCY. Lets face it, things don’t always go as planned and it makes sense to have the right for a doctor to admit someone to the hospital if need be, and be allowed to treat that patient AT the hospital.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 12:23pmYea….murder is legal according to Roe V Wade. In your mind that makes it OK I suppose. Well it isn‘t in God’s eyes. Call yourself pro murder…
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 2:26pmMIDWEST — to be seen in an emergency room, it does not require a doctor with admitting ability. You will be seen regardless, and moved to the front of the line if a doctor sends you there, regardless of his/her admitting capability.
It is a nonsense law, a stealth way to take away a woman’s rights.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 2:31pm[Well it isn‘t in God’s eyes. ]
Report Post »Yet god called for the murder of suckling infants and committed genocide multiple times and your kind continue to build churches to worship such a vile thing…
Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 2:46pmBADDOGGY — The god of the Bible (if he were real) committed genocide against the world.
Beside, considering god is responsible for miscarriages, he is the biggest abortionist in the world.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 3:09pmBruce…You are beyond help…but seek it anyway. There may be a mental institution that will take you in…
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 3:34pmBADDOGGY — please, tell me again why I am insane.
Did not, according to the Bible, god send a flood to wipe out all of humanity (except for one family) and all of the animals of the world (except for two of each kind)? If any human even thought of committing such a horror, they would be consider a madman and his act that of genocide.
Did not god destroy two cities except for one family?
Did not god command the Israelites to kill the Canaanites?
“And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” Deuteronomy 2:34
“he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.” Joshua 10:40
“go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” 1 Samuel 15:2-3
You worship a god who commanded people kill babies for the crime of being born to parents the Hebrews were at war with. In our day and age, that would be considered a crime against humanity. And yet you have the audacity to tell women who have abortions that they are murderers in the eyes of that same bloodthirsty god.
But somehow, I am the one who is insane.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 4:33pmYea…i will cuss and swear at MURDERERS like you all day long.
Report Post »And the God of the Bible can do as he pleases with man. You do not get to choose who to kill…He does. But you dont understand God and never will. Because you are headed to hell with blood on your hands. Take a firesuit man, you will need one rated for a billion degrees for eternity….
Verceofreason
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:07pmGod is a myth.
Report Post »A myth has no eyes.
A fetus is not a baby,
Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:41pmBADDOGGY — your god sounds like a raging hypocrite.
Especially considering the amount of babies he aborts, against a mother’s will, every single day. God is the biggest abortionist and the biggest murder, in history.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:05pmFunny how Bruce is upset about God but not upset about women who kill their unborn babies b/c they wanted to go out and spread their legs. There are also plenty of birth control options available that they can pay for. When he becomes a grown up in life, he’ll realize that if he makes a bad behavior choice, he has to pay for the consequences of doing so.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:08amLuckily Git-R-Done will never know what it’s like to be with a woman as it is plainly clear he is incapable of such a feat. If he was to land himself a woman he might learn contraceptives aren’t perfect, women aren’t their slaves, people have sex for reasons other than procreation, and having X number of children is enough for some people. He’ll never know that being an adult involves making critical decisions on your own and not based on some antiquated bronze age mythology.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:21amPontiac – Cry me a river if your birth control fails. Should have kept your legs closed or gotten your tubes tied if you don’t want more children. That’s what being a responsible adult means doing. You don’t get to murder your own babies just b/c it’s inconvenient for you.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 2:51am@BADDOGGY
Spending an eternity in “heaven” with you would feel like “hell” to me.
I’ll enjoy the heated pool thank you very much.
I love how baddoggy makes himself feel all self righteous when he defends his hatred. With such comments like, “no, i’ll cuss and swear at murderers all day long“ and ”no, i just tell them to turn or burn.”
Although, that‘s pretty consistent with his God’s teachings.
It’s his God that teaches, “choose to love me or to go hell.”
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 10:43am@Git-n-Dumber
[Cry me a river if your birth control fails.]
Need I? It seems you’ve got the monopoly on the nonsensical bawling.
[Should have kept your legs closed or gotten your tubes tied if you don’t want more children. ]
One, Tubal ligation can lead to a ectopic pregnancy, second I don’t have female parts but that is advice your mother should have taken long ago. Considering all your post are filled with so much hate and disdain for women I sometimes wonder what she ever did to you.
@ModerationIsBest
Report Post »[Spending an eternity in “heaven” with you would feel like “hell” to me.]
Ain’t that the truth…
watersRpeople
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:42amTo be anti is to be pro.
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:36amNot surprisingly, that slaughter house looks like a Nazi death camp. Abortion is, and always will be murder. Life begins at conception – every human life has a soul – the innocent unborn must be protected. God creates every human life and plants in each of us the seed of free will – it is up to us to make the right choices and use his precious gifts for good rather than evil.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 12:41pmHere is something for you, THE FIRST AMENDMENT PREVENTS YOU CHRISTIAN TALIBAN FROM IMPOSING YOUR BRONZE AGE MYTHS ON THE REST OF THE NATION.
Its a women’s right to decide what happens to her body. You tea baggers prostested the health care act because you didn’t want the government to get between you and your doctor. Now you want the government to tell women what medical procedures they can and can not have. Hypocrits every last one of you.
Report Post »RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 12:46pmLife may begin at conception, but personhood begins at birth. Until that fetus is capable of existing outside the womb, unconnected to the mother, it is neither sentient nor a person. And until it is, it is the mother’s choice, period.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:08pmBlah, blah blah.
Report Post »Keep your religious beliefs to yourself. It’s the American way.
Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 8:51pmVoiceofnoreason – Keep your Marxist beliefs to yourself. This is America, which was founded upon freedom. Not Marxism.
encinom
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:43pmGit-R-Done
Report Post »Posted on July 14, 2012 at 8:51pm
Voiceofnoreason – Keep your Marxist beliefs to yourself. This is America, which was founded upon freedom. Not Marxism.
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Thats right freedom, like the freedom to decide what happens to your body, the freedom to believe in any political theory you choose and the freedom to reject Bronze Age Myths. Hypocrits like yourself fail to understand that freedom means we are free to reject the backwards, reactionary views of the tea baggers and your desire for a facist theocracy to replace the Constitutional Republic.
RoboZiggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:17amI am a hard core Conservative.
Report Post »I will not judge people over abortion or sexual preferences.
That is for God to judge not me.
HOWEVER, when the Homosexuals start making THEIR depravity MY business by public displays in front of my children (Gay Pride parades), trying to “turn” my children in school (SAFE SCHOOL CSAR “fisting” Jennings?), causing chaos in Churches during services, becoming a protected class by whining and bullying, (protected from WHOM? White males), all bets are off.
When people expect abortion to be a RIGHT, and expect ME to pay for THEIR decisions, all my indifference is reversed.
At this time in my life, if ANY “rights” issue comes up for either Abortion or Homosexuality at the ballot box, I am in line hours before the polling place is open.
These moonbat crybabies have lost my heart and mind.
And if they don’t like it, TOUGH! Come get some!
Simple as that.
Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:24amSo if you don’t say anything against murder, you think God’s OK with that? Really? I think that’s how Nazi Germany rose to power…Rethink your position man. You are silent, so you are approving it. Blood is on your hands!
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:11pmWhah whah whah Set it to music Mama.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:35pmVoiceofnoreason – If anybody is a crybaby, that would be you leftists. You expect us taxpayers to have to pay for you deadbeats from cradle to grave while you get to do whatever you want and the rest of us have to go out and work for the bums in society such as yourself.
Report Post »SilentReader
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:10amPro-choice is just a dance with words. What it means is that you can choose to murder your own baby.
It is wrong, it is criminal, it is heinous, and it should not be sanctioned by any law, or any government. It’s as simple as that.
When life is made irrelevant and disrespected it is the end of humanity and it is committing civilizational suicide. Not to mention the long-term detrimental effects it has on the young mother who will never ever be able to reverse her decision, and could have chosen to have her baby adopted instead.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:34amBingo! You are spot on. I worked in a Church and I saw the after effects of an abortion on young women. It ruined their lives…They know they murdered. We had to talk them down from the ledge and tell them the forgiveness of Christ. Some never could get over it…
Report Post »encinom
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 12:44pmPro-choice is pro-Constitution, while the anti-choice crowd are facist terrorist that seek to impose a taliban style theocrates on the US.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 1:35pmYes, encicom! You got it! Finally, somebody that understands us!
Report Post »spirited
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:57amPro Choice is legal freedom to choose – not pro abortion
Violence-caused pregnancies are an even more sensative consideration
… but, what about the “Black Irish” …?
Mistakes and misfortunes are an everyday experience of life.
Tomorrow seems so far away for most youths and to many people of all ages.
How does anyone really know what tomorrow brings?
It is usually only afterwards (often years later) that people realize their mistakes.
Although many humans are deliberately conceived, most of us are born“ mistakes” -Thank God!
Education is so important in life.
Step 1: Pregnancy Test at doctor’s office
An ultrasound
and / or video (with audio of a growing, living fetus’ heartbeat)
should be a required educational experience
for pregnant females considering an abortion.
Step 2. Second Visit to doctor’s office for results
An ultrasound
and / or video (with audio of a growing, living fetus’ heartbeat)
should be a required educational experience
for pregnant females considering an abortion.
Any female who chooses to terminate the life within, and does so ~>after that real-life experience,
may not ever think or believe it was just an extraction…that caused some bleeding and cramps.
Chances are, as each year passes,
she will remember how old her son or daughter would be, ….who he or she would be
…and what her own life might be like;
had she kept and bore the life she ended.
>Back-alley abortion is not the sol
Report Post »spirited
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:05amOops! This was cut off of pervious post
>BACK-ALLEY ABORTION IS NOT THE SOLUTION –however.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:22amSo a little bit of MURDER is OK with you? So can I come over to your house and have the CJHOICE to MURDER you and not get in trouble if I follow guidelines laid out by the State???
Another stupid post supporting MURFER.
Report Post »MeteoricLimbo
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:51amI have no right to dictate to others how to run their own lives. This does not belong in the political arena.
Report Post »SilentReader
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:01amIt was put in the political arena by Roe vs Wade. Then Roe later changed her mind, regretted it, and tried to get it reversed.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:27amSo you are OK with murder? You dont say its wrong? You think its OK then that gangbangers murder people then…Lets get rid of the police department in your neihborhood then….
Abortion is murder. Wake up. Stand up. It is not her life to kill…
Report Post »BoyScout_Mom
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:28amThe INALIENABLE RIGHT to LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness….
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 1:37pmThis doesn’t belong in the political arena? The debate is over! Let’s stop talking about this already! Nothing to see here, move along, nothing to see here.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:15pmAbortion is not murder.
Report Post »Starting with that as a question, gets no answer in these parts.
LeadNotFollow
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:24am…
Report Post »Shut down ALL abortion clinics.
The murdering of babies, needs to end now.
encinom
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 12:47pmWE ARE NOT A THEOCRACY, YOUR BRONZE AGE MYTHS DO NOT DICTATE HOW I LIVE MY LIFE.
Move to Afghanistan, join the taliban your theories about individual liberties and freedoms are the same.
Report Post »Godzgrl247
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:33amI will probably make alot of people angry with my opinion. but I think it is a waste of our countries time and money to to fight these fights. I would never have considered getting an abortion myself but we need to realize that, if a woman (most time young woman) is seeking an abortion, she is spiritually lost, frightened, and feels that she has run out of options. The time to get to these women is BEFORE they get themselves into that situation. This could be done if parents would do their job and teach their children. However, they don’t and yet they balk at school officials teaching sex education in the schools. What’s a child to do? They don’t have the mental or moral stamina to fight the pervasive sexual culture (and all of its messages) on their own. Churches need to be louder in offering self esteem and sex education classes to women. Quit treating women as second class citizens. Satan himself knew that it was the woman through whom he could bring about the downfall of mankind. No, if one of Satan’s captives has gotten desperate enough to seek an abortion, she will either perform it herself through self mutilation or she will go to some under-educated person that doesn‘t have the woman’s best interest at heart. If she can afford it, she’ll simply take a trip to one of the surrounding states.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:28amYea…shes scared….so she should just kill that blob in the womb….sarcasm off.
Report Post »MeteoricLimbo
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:44amvery true, It simply creates a black market for abortions…It aint rocket science
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 12:22pmThen if it does cause a black market for abortions. Prosecute the black market MURDERERS!
Report Post »Simple. Life in prison for murder.
jman-6
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 12:29pmSatan took down Eve first because had he took down Adam first,Eve could have told GOD I was just doing what my husband told me to,as was the culture back then.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:09pmWhy are you making excuses for women who choose to murder their own babies? It‘s not like it’s a secret on how to get pregnant.
Report Post »Jahslave
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:32amWhen did ABORTION become a “constitutionally-protected right”? I can NOT find that RIGHT anywhere in my Pocket Constitution.
Ron Paul 2012
Report Post »RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:41amWhich is why I’ll be supporting Gary Johnson, rather than that faux libertarian, Paul.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:21amThe Supreme Court found that it was implied by the Constitution as part of your right of privacy, which is also not in the Constitution. The trouble with trying to turn back the clock legally is that people generally like having privacy as legally recognized right. Even people who hate abortion would not want to see a reversal of all the other court decisions that were based on the discovery of this right almost forty years ago.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 2:30pmDid you perhaps miss that part saying just because a right is not in the Constitution, it doesn’t mean the people do not have that right?
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:14pmWhen did Ron Paul began to be considered smart or quotable?
Report Post »That’s not in the constitution either.
Creating Rand is another story.
Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:02pmThese are the same left wingers that try to invent new rights so that they can keep mooching off of the rest of society and eradicate the rights of taxpayers.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:08amAny roadblock to an abortion is a blessing. Murder is murder and it’s high time someone stopped it!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:08amHow’s that “limited Government” working out for you?
Face it, you don’t like limited government, you just want your version of big government.
Report Post »RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:34amExactly so, Moderation. The only thing they want limited in government is the things they don’t like. A government that’s big enough too pry into their private lives and dictate the social policies of the country is just fine by them
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:19amGovernment…PROTECT US FROM MURDER!! God you people are stupid!
We have to have the laws against MURFER enforced. If we truly had limited Government Roe V Wade would not be a law that made MURDER legal in the first place. Man you guys are stupid.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:17pmTell that to George W. Bush who sent 5,000 Americans to their death to show his father what a man he be!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 3:11am@GIT-R-DONE
Here comes Git-R-Done throwing around his “Marxists” haymaykers and creating hilarious straw men like “you Marxists want to kill off rich people and religious people.”
Give me a break, why don’t you actually try thinking with your brain for once. No one on here has ever said or insinuated that they want to kill off rich people or religious people. There ARE people on here who say they want to kill the President, kill the first lady, call them traitors, make racist comments on here and they could NEVER be misconstrued as atheists, socialists, or Marxists.
Where do you pull this stuff from?
I really do think Git-R-Done is some kind of troll trying to make Beck supporters look even more idiotic then they actually are.
Look at how I respond to the story about the Christian group that got attacked and raped in Mexico. Granted I disagree with them when it comes to their God and other issues, but I have no desire to see someone get raped, assaulted or killed.
Then go look at the story of the 29 year old guy in the Obama administration that died.
Here are a few of the “gems” that are easy for anyone to see.
” They are attempting to kill America with their politics. Too bad the rest of them who are trying to destroy this country don’t take their own conoes down the river to hell”
“Something tells me he is not in heaven at this time but I don’t pretend to know everything about him.”
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:54pmMODERATIONISBEST — you are completely right.
Compare what is said about anyone who shows any deviation from the extreme right-wing group-think here…that we are immoral, deviants, violent, want to harm people, full of hatred, unhappy, etc…to how the people who make those accusations behave.
As you said, they make racist, bigoted comments, talk about how they want to kill anyone who deviates from their extreme right-wing group-think, how they celebrate the death of someone they don’t even know and express how they hope he is in hell, all for supporting the wrong party.
Look at the difference in even this thread. Most here who are pro-choice are saying, “let’s get at the causes that would make a woman want to abort a baby, so we can prevent abortions from happening,“ and we are told by the ”pro-life” people that helping these women is marxist, and the only solution is to call them sinners or sluts and shower them with hatred.
Git-R-Done is not a troll sent to make Beck look bad. Rather, he is sent in to enforce the group-think. It is his job to discourage any differing opinions. Whenever someone deviates from the group-think, Git-R-Done appears to derail the conversation. He attempts to bully and intimidate those who disagree into silence. Through personal insults and threats, he seeks to obscure any differing thought, so we are no longer on topic but engaging in a personal argument.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:56pmAnd Git-R-Done had mod approval, if not outright help, in doing so. He may make any insult he wishes, and they are generally left up, no matter how much you complain. But personal attacks against him are immediately deleted.
Report Post »Mike777
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:02am@ RealLiibertarian abortion is murder plain and simple NO religion involved. but you and the pro abortion zealots can’t seem to wrap your little minds around that. May God have mercy on your soul…………………….
Report Post »RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:11amSecular law, which is the only law that counts in this country, says it is not murder, so that argument is pointless. And my Goddess is fine with that.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:31amAnd seculat law does not trump the right of that child! It is God’s child, like it or not. You have blood on your hands if you think its OK to murder a child in the womb! Deal with that. Just call yourself a murderer…cause you are!
Report Post »antitheist
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 12:21pmBaddoggy, why do you hate America? America is a nation of laws, if you don’t like it you can move to the third world where it is mostly illegal.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:06pmAntitheist – You Marxists shouldn’t be criticizing when you support stealing taxpayer money to give to those you deem less fortunate. And you Marxists also have no problem with letting illegals stay in this country.
RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 8:53amThere was never a health risk. Any woman who ran into problems could have been taken to the hospital ER by ambulance, just like anyone else in an emergency. This is just another attempt by the sanctimonious antichoicers to inflict their bronze age religious standards on those among us who don’t share them. Don’t want an abortion, don’t have one, but keep your religion out of our freedom.
Report Post »RIGHTHOOK
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:27am@RealLib – Secular Law? Really? That is how you operate? More misguided, no accountability lifestyle bs.
Report Post »So when a pregnant lady is murdered and her child dies in her womb the assailant is charged with the murder of TWO human beings. Imagine that!
Just thought you may want to have that much needed data parked in your chilled mind.
teddrunk
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:44amSo, do pro-abortion women throw each other Tumor Showers, (since it’s just a clump of cells to them), when one gets pregnant and wants the baby? Do liberal wives tell their liberal husbands, “”Honey, feel this, the tumor is kicking”?
Report Post »RealLiibertarian
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:47amRighthook, I know about the dichotomy and I can‘t say I’m happy with it. the difference, as I see it, is whether the woman wants to keep the fetus or not. In a murder case, the assumption is that she did want to keep it, short of other evidence, so that is why the double charge. I’d be a lot happier if it was murder for her and some sort of property crime for the fetus, though.
Report Post »RIGHTHOOK
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 10:26am@RealLib – “property crime”?? Are you kidding????? Do you have any children of your own? If so could you look them in the eye and say; “well we wanted you so here you are. Had we determined you were what we deem as a mistake or an inconvenience to our lives, our budget, our whatever then we would have aborted you and that would have been our form of birth control”. There is something horribly wrong with dispatching a life that has zero to say about it and happens to be that inconvenience. Most all would be adopted if unwanted. There would be no need to go to other countries to adopt. Very sad indeed.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 3:03pm@RIGHTHOOK
[Had we determined you were what we deem as a mistake or an inconvenience to our lives, our budget, our whatever then we would have aborted you and that would have been our form of birth control]
Ridiculous strawman argument.
[Most all would be adopted if unwanted.]
Doing some quick google searching…
►Approximately 1.37 Million abortions per year. (42 Million worldwide)
►Approximately 120,000 adoptions each year.
Were you planning on waving a magic wand? The supply would outpace the demand. Aside from that the Earth has a finite amount of resources. I’d hate to think of what rush hour traffic would be like under your theocracy.
[There would be no need to go to other countries to adopt.]
Report Post »Well so much for the opportunity of those children breathing air on their own…
Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:01pmPontiac – Quit pretending that you leftists care about the children since all they are to you is collective property for the government to take care of from cradle to grave. And your way of life has been tried in the past, it’s called the Soviet Union.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 12:18am[all they are to you is collective property for the government to take care of from cradle to grave]
Report Post »Did I ever say taxpayers should fund abortions? Cradle to Grave is EXACTLY what I’m trying to put a stop too. You however seem to want welfare broodmares breeding generations of democrat voting parasitoids.
Git-R-Done
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 1:23amPontiac – If abortion were outlawed, the welfare state would collapse and you lefties know that. Excuse me if us taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay for birth control, pregnancy tests, STD tests and treatments, abortions, prenatal care, or child care.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 15, 2012 at 10:21am[If abortion were outlawed, the welfare state would collapse]
Report Post »Logic is a very foreign thing to you isn’t it?
DoomsdayProphet
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 8:51amQuick question for anyone in Mississippi.
Are the women in Mississippi all killing themselves with back alley and home abortions?
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 9:04amNot yet, but if you radical right wing fanatics get your way????
Report Post »RIGHTHOOK
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 12:23pm@Doom – There will always be unqualified “Quack’s“ out there performing this type of ”service” whether it legal or illegal. There will always be “pushers” selling tainted drugs to the unsuspecting even if drugs were legal, there will always be illegally obtained guns of all kinds in the hands of cold blooded murderers and gang bangers when guns can be legally obtained and if guns were made illegal to possess. This is what is so perplexing; the liberal mindset does not make unsavory things go away under the misconception of misguided freedoms. The polar opposite is what ultimately entrenches itself into society with a left wing lifestyle and society.
Report Post »Hmschlmom
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 1:44pmNope, but there have been women in Philly (and their full term babies) dying from so called “legal and safe abortions.”
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/01/19/philly-doctor-facing-8-counts-of-murder/
But hey…at least he wasn’t operating in a back alley, so that makes it okay (somehow)
If you read the details…have a strong stomach, and a box of kleenex.
Gosnell is a butcher.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 2:52pmHMSCHLMOM — considering the number of abortions, the number of women who die from the procedure is rare. Only 6 last year. (http://tinyurl.com/7lgao6d)
But Gosnell, that man is a monster. I do not know how anyone can just a baby that is born alive, just suffer and die.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 2:56pmAnd honestly, down at brass tacks, I don’t know how anyone can go through an abortion. The thought process is completely alien to me. But then again, I have never been in a situation where it even crossed my mind that abortion may be a good idea.
But I am a libertarian. As such, I only know what is good for me and my family, I cannot presume to know what is best for someone else or their family. Just as I cannot presume I have the right to tell someone they cannot do something simply because I do not agree with it.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on July 14, 2012 at 8:56pmI don’t care if those women die from back alley abortions. They made the choice to kill their babies.
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