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Justifying OWS Philly Rape? – ‘The Rates Of Rape Seem To Be Much Lower Than In Refugee Camps’

The horrific and violent crime of rape should never be minimized, justified or accepted. One rape within any society is too many.

However, when a rape was reported in the Occupy Philadelphia camp and the news of that rape was posted on the Facebook page of 53%-er Kevin Eder, it prompted a strange reaction from a DC-based feminist organizer named Abigail Collazo.

Rape in Occupy Philadelphia

 

Here’s the initial Facebook post from Eder;

Rape in Occupy PhiladelphiaThe post drew comments as well as “likes” from FB members. But, it was the first comment that seemed strange;

Rape in Occupy Philadelphia

Let us study this comment.

Ms. Collazo states “the conditions here are prime,” – prime for what? Rape? If so, you must ask: why would any group set up camp and allow for the conditions to be “prime” for violent crimes like rape?

Most people agree that the fault here is not with the victim and that OWS could be and should be doing more to prevent all crimes in these encampments. (Perhaps cooperating with police would be a good place to start.)

Then Collazo makes another curious comment in her post;

“Occupiers should be doing much, much more to protect each other, but the rates of rape seem to be much lower than in refugee camps, etc. where you similarly have huge groups of total strangers who are experiencing negative emotions living together in close conditions.”

Is this a rationalization of a rape because the women in OWS are not being raped as often as the women in refugee camps across North Africa or Eastern Europe?

Additionally, are we now to consider any and all OWS camps to be refugee camps?  Are the OWS encampments - “huge groups of total strangers who are experiencing negative emotions living together in close conditions”?

The initial response from Abigail Collazo to Eder’s Facebook post ignited both a Facebook and Twitter flame war between Mr. Eder and Ms. Collazo that has carried on for 12 hours. The sometimes-heated exchange began with Collazo using a typical OWS statement that usually tries to claim that the criminals are not part of the movement.

Rape in Occupy Philadelphia

Collazo, Eder and a few interlopers traded some heated tweets and FB comments for most of the day.

Rape in Occupy Philadelphia

Ms. Collazo appeared to take pleasure in being the target of so much attention from those who think OWS is an unhealthy situation that should be shut down.

Rape in Occupy Philadelphia

At the end of the day, another city where the leaderless movement called OWS has reported yet another violent crime against a woman.

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  • NEVERre-electANYONE
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:14pm

    Ben Franklin on democracy;
    “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch.
    Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote.”
    NEVERre-electANYONE on protecting one’s self, family and community;
    “.45ACP….it’s silly to shoot twice”

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 8:45pm

      Collazo is on the right track, although she used the wrong analogy. These encampments cannot be compared to refugee camps, because displaced people never start the war that lands them in a refugee camp. Unlike occupiers, refugees are real victims. By contrast, Occupy camps are incipient commie revolutionary groups, so their tacit code of conduct is the same as that of any other commie popular front seeking to destroy freedom somewhere in the world.

      The main role of women in these popular fronts is to satisfy the sexual needs of their male comrades. Women are allowed to participate in the anarchy, but when it comes to sex, they are regressed to the primitive societal role of being owned, in this case communally. As a result, the dividing line between rape and consensual sex becomes blurred, because “negative emotions” are the driving communal force.

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    • SpankDaMonkey
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 9:29pm

      .
      It’s not rape. You put yourself in that position, you knew it was dangerous and you did it anyway…..

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    • Cape_Lookout_RW_Extremist
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 12:20am

      Time to put all the bratty kids to bed (OWS) and our DOJ in jail

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    • VoteBushIn12
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 8:38am

      @Cape_Lookout_RW_Extremist
      “Time to” this, “Someone should” that, “when will we” this, “why don’t we” that.

      Talk is cheap and you’re broke. Get off your duff and put your money where your mouth is. You don’t like something? Take it to the streets – that’s what the “lazy” OWS movement did.

      @kryptonite
      You’re a pig.

      That‘s not at all what she meant and you’re an illiterate fool if you think it is.

      She is saying the inherent quality of the protests make it easier for criminals to interact with civilians uncontested. HOWEVER, she pretty clearly writes “it‘s no one’s fault except the people doing the rape”. That is along the same guise as the adage that no matter how a woman dresses, it’s never her fault – it’s always the rapist. It‘s not the movement’s fault – it’s the rapists.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:31am

      VOTEBUSH…really? OWS is not complicit in this? So all the reports about keeping the media out of the camps when an incident occurs, the reassurances that “committees” are handling the rapes (and other illegal activities) in the camps and that police should just leave…all these things make OWS and it’s chaotic, anarchic nature (which allows the rapes to take place in such frequency) free from blame yes? What Collazo is doing is being a democratic strategist and feminidiot. She’s putting ideology over people. She’s doing what the media and the democrats have been doing for weeks now…she’s sanitizing for OWS. Obfuscating, making excuses..using sleight of hand (as clumsy as it is) to distract from the problem. And you’re enabling it just like a good useful idiot. You should be disgusted with yourself. And please spare us the inferrence that the stinky OWSers are in some way productive and hard working. They’re constantly demanding someone else pay their tuition fees and throw well paying, high level jobs at them. You don’t recall the story of an investigative team setting up a jobs table at one one OWS location? They got TWO applications..one for Disney..one for Solyndra from EIGHT HOURS of being there. You note the irony I hope..both companies deal in the business of fantasy..just like your OWSers.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 2:23pm

      @VoteBushIn12
      It’s not the movement’s fault – it’s the rapists.
      —-
      You are the clueless dummy who spouts knee-jerk adages in re a new dynamics in American history. Collazo compared OWS to a refugee camp. I explained why that analogy was false. BUT there’s some truth to what she said in that although involvement in the movement is voluntary, women are and will continue to be viewed as fair game WITHIN these incipient popular fronts. The only difference between what I said and you liberal fools and/or tools rationalize is that the “inherent quality of the protests” and the “negative emotions” actually have a clear political and sociological context.

      This is not random rape. As AVENGERK rightly noted, it is rape in a political context and it has been dealt with accordingly by the powers that be. Here’s what one of the women assaulted in another Occupy camp stated:

      => “We don’t tell anyone,” she said. “We handle it internally. I said too much already.” She said another woman was raped weeks earlier. (The Blaze)

      The code of conduct “changed” due to public outcry. If you are a woman — and I am guessing you are because you called me a pig — wake up. The OWS Commies & Friends are instigating anarchy; the iron fist will follow. Women *will* be victimized in this political transition. It comes with the territory — pun intended. You can continue to aid and abet the real pigs or do the morally right thing and help men who

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 2:32pm

      (CONT. FROM ABOVE)
      You can continue to aid and abet the real pigs or do the morally right thing and help men who care denounce them.

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  • gracentruth
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:11pm

    Anarchy, marxism, and Islam are always destructive and dehumanizing. These mobs who are led by those whose goal is to destroy the United States. This includes the main stream media.
    I have read the last book in the Holy Bible – God wins. Peace,

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    • GumRock
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 8:45pm

      Awww man .. you just gave away the ending !

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  • ConservaSnark
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:58pm

    I can add to that … someone else on Twitter said rape and murder at #Occupy is .. get this .. the price of social justice .. please spread this FAR AND WIDE ..

    http://twitter.com/#!/dorisatkinson/status/135747302051688448

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    • greatdanes
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:16pm

      The Young Woman Tweeting Is Not A Victim So She can Be very Gallant About someone else’s Rape .
      Love to See Her Tweets After She Has Experience Her Own Up Close & Personal Rape to See What She has to say then.

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    • Goobergregory
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:25pm

      Yes this person may be right about this.. and when it is thier turn I hope they can be as supportive of the cause. It is easy to excuse evil acts when they are happening to others!

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    • bikermailman
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 5:26am

      Got a screencap? I grabbed it if you don’t. Anytime you see something jicky online, grab it, because the other side may very well delete it. Anyway, let me know if you need itl

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  • RightUnite
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:55pm

    Bring in the gang bangers…. They’ll clean house.

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  • angelcat
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:51pm

    would they say the same thing if the rape had been at a Tea Party or any conservative gathering? I absolutely doubt it.

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    • TreeTrimmerJim
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:53pm

      The argument about if it had been occupy or tea party … is like Obama‘s job’s saved argument, distracting rather then standing for something.

      We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more Perfect Union, establish Justice… in who’s perverted mind is rape ever justified?

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  • RoboZiggy
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:45pm

    My father raised me to put women on a pedestal. 60 years later, I have yet to say a woman that has been victimized by rape, asked for it.
    The Socialist Abigail is right about one thing (the rest of her opinion is just insanity).
    The conditions for predators thriving in these camps IS Prime.
    The problem is, the occupiers are creating these conditions by their own actions.
    So, for the 1st time in my life I am going to say this.
    Any woman that gets raped or abused in these camps, have asked for it.
    And ANY victim of crime or abuse, man or woman, in these camps are asking for it.
    Simple as that.
    Now, I’ll hear the same thing I have said before, that a victim is still a victim.
    Go ahead. say it all you want.
    But don’t be surprised if this continues. Vermin thrive in Cesspools. Residing in one is insanity.
    That isn’t what Democracy looks like, it’s what lawlessness and squalor looks like.
    So take a good look so you know what TRUE insanity in a society looks like, because if the Marxist LIAR Obama gets his way, it is what all your descendents have in store for them.
    Again, ALL of your descendents. 99.99% of all that read this, and support Socialism, you and yours will be in the same moldy potato and rusty refrigerator line as me and mine. And you are FOOLS if you think you are “special” and will be treated any different than the worker ants that feed the Elite.
    Now THAT is what Socialism and Marxism looks l

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  • scout n ambush
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:43pm

    Why not just tell it like you believe rape is no bigee that‘s what abortions are for and we must keep up appearence of neccesary abortions it’s a twofor.

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:36pm

    Wow,
    Brain dead trolls.
    just can’t fix that terminal disease

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    • TheVoice1
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:01pm

      “Troll‘n Troll’n Troll’n, keep them dipstick a move’n, Outside”

      I suggest that miss ‘tweeter” put her own tent up and test her theory of irresponsibility live up close and personal……

      It‘s one thing to be a ’tweeter’ and run your mouth, quite another to be a rape victim and no one will listen…

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  • eramthgin
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:35pm

    This is the true face of feminism. The end justifies the means and if a few women have to get raped along the way then so be it. These people are FREAKS.

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  • David11
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:33pm

    While rape is not acceptable and disgusting, I find the pope’s view on child peadephilia just sickning. Pope Benedict‘s claim is that paedophilia wasn’t considered an absolute evil…WHAT? It‘s time to close the church’s and make practicing religion in this country illegal. Religious people do the complete opposite of what they’re taught to do and behave. They express more hatred than any other group in this country/world.

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    • NoRoomForSocialismHere
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:58pm

      The Popes servants have paid billions for these SEX SINs and there are more hitting the court everyday. They have sold property all over the world.

      Then he asks the USA to accept more Catholic illegal aliens so they can help pay for the sins of the pagan church. Kennedy covered for the Irish Catholics and the Mexicans to name a few since 1965. Time to stop this church we got away from when we started America.

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    • Tired of Code Names
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:20pm

      David11
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:33pm
      While rape is not acceptable and disgusting, I find the pope’s view on child peadephilia just sickning. Pope Benedict‘s claim is that paedophilia wasn’t considered an absolute evil…WHAT? It‘s time to close the church’s and make practicing religion in this country illegal. Religious people do the complete opposite of what they’re taught to do and behave. They express more hatred than any other group in this country/world
      @David11…..seriously…..I‘m a Lutheran and have historical fact through Martin Luther’s writings that he opposed the pope on initially 95 issues. Please educate yourself on the 95 thesis. Lutherans DO NOT WORSHIP Martin Luther. He was just a man. He had the wherewithall to point out the problems that were occuring in the Catholic Church at that time and disagreed and simply requested that they go back to believing in what the Bible stated. Grace Alone, Faith Alone, Scripture Alone. To state that all religeon is hypocritical and supports pedophilia is simply moronic. I appreciate you have moral character to denonce raping children, however, do not associate mine with the failures of others. We as a Christian Church who agree with the writings of Martin Luther as espousing the original intent of scripture are far from that.

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    • RossPoldark
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:16pm

      Attacking a religion are we. Why not attack Penn States, where many kept silent, even when they knew the pedophilia was going on. Pedophilia has nothing to do with religious institutions, but everything to do with small groups of perverts who sexually abuse. In Christianity, I cannot judge the entire congregation for the actions of a relative few. I am not saying it is right, but there are sincere Christians from all faiths, that should not be judged because of what the leaders of their church have done. God will deal with these people in due course. No stone will be left unturned. Of course if you are atheist, it’s pointless to talk with you, since your goal is to shove your atheist beliefs on everyone else.

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  • FlatFoot
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:31pm

    She must be another one of those “wise Latina” women. You know, all knowing and never wrong with a penchant for wearing rose colored glasses. We may see her appointed to the SCOTUS some day.

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    • TheVoice1
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:05pm

      flatfoot

      Man that Scrotos appointment thing caused me to spew my coffee I laughed so hard!!!

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  • ThoreauHD
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:29pm

    That’s one sick btch.

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  • ThoreauHD
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:26pm

    Rofl… Hahahaha… Ohh… Ohhhh….. Aahahahahaa

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  • Rayblue
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:26pm

    Got to wonder if Ms Abigail fantasizes either being raped or doing the raping.
    Whichever crime, that’s the feminist way. As it appears by her concern.

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  • sandrunner
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:22pm

    abigailcollazo…so you alright with rapes? Are you trying relive free-love era?

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    • Mike Opelka
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:40pm

      To be fair, I read many of the posts on GB and Twitter from Ms. Collazo and she is very strong on the fact that fighting rape should be a priority… without worrying about party or gender… and I agree. I just disagree with her unusual statement that seemed to justify/accept what happened in Philadelphia as an unavoidable consequence of OWS.

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    • brickmoon
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:45pm

      You’re spot on, Mike. It’s much like saying, “Well, there wasn’t as much (alleged) sexual abuse of children going on at Penn State during Sandusky’s tenure as there is in Mumbai on any given day, so what’s the big deal? Leave the athletic department alone!”

      As I’ve posted before, if there’s even a hint of something that can be misconstrued as violent or bigoted subtext from someone on the right, it’s an automatic condemnation of the group.

      But when there are actual incidents of violence, vile behavior, crime and disease at these camps, it’s either described as a normal consequence of having such a large gathering (like any given Lutheran picnic), rationalized as an “understandable” reaction, downplayed as an aberration, or the work of “fringe elements.” (or probably undercover cops, according to Michael Moore)

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    • Roywalling
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:10am

      Only if it‘s demo’s doing the raping.

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  • eramthgin
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:21pm

    This is disgusting and should put a real face on the feminist movement that would willing excuse rapes for as an means to an end.

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  • Lloyd Drako
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:21pm

    A typical Blaze bait-and-switch headline!

    Collazo says nothing that would “justify” rape in Philadelphia or anywhere else. She merely places it in context as something not unlikely to happen when large numbers of strangers are thrown together under conditions of stress. And she’s right that, given the size of the OWS encampments, it’s been surprisingly rare.

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    • Damage6
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:48pm

      “And she’s right that, given the size of the OWS encampments, it’s been surprisingly rare.” WOW … REALLY????? There’s been about a half a dozen rapes, dozens if not hundreds of assualts, drug use, arson, destruction of public and private property and multiple deaths (at least one of which was a murder). And that’s just what we know about. The OWS nutbaggs go around doing everything they can to convice people to not report when they are victimized by criminals and idiots like you and this delusional ladie’s first instinct is to try to minimalize, trivialize and dismiss this disgusting amoral travesty. You are both disgustingly callow and pathetic excuses for human beings who bring shame upon yourselves and the entire liberal cause.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:31pm

      I ask again: how does Collazo in any way “justify” rape? The answer is, she does not. This Blaze headline, like many others, is deceptive and intended to fan phony outrage.

      I note that rapes, assaults, etc., are often described in the media as having occurred “near” or “in the vicinity of” OWS encampments. Their exact relationship to the protests is often left unclear. Some no doubt involve protesters, others are probably simply the background noise of crime common in large cities.

      It’s completely irrelevant whether or not the Tea Party featured similar incidents, but if it did not, it’s likely because it did not form semi-permanent encampments.

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    • blackstone22
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:37pm

      Collazo is very immature and has a lot of growing up to do. She’s just clueless and wants to sound knowledgeable, when she clearly is not. The strategy of the media and liberals to gloss over these rapes is astonishing. It‘s so easy to be cavalier on your facebook page regarding these violent crimes when you’ve never been raped. How dare she compare the Occupy movement to refugee camps. What? No one in a refugee camp wants to be there, it denotes war torn countries rife with suffering and starvation, whereas the Occupy movement is very much a choice in a law abiding nation. This is not some third world country. These Occupiers are so self righteous in claiming the moral high ground yet the reality is the complete opposite. They represent the worst of this country so it is not surprising that rape is a component.There is absolutely no excuse for the violence against women at these Occupy sights and a true feminist would be outraged and not be making inane excuses for these heinous crimes. Collazo is more concerned with the negative impact on the movement then the women being raped.A “Passionate idealist?” I think not.

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  • ramburner
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:20pm

    Well then; it’s settled. We should not speak of these incidents again – nudge. Spin the rapes any way you like; 1 rape is too many, you animals. This is what happens when you are brought up believing that you are nothing more than an evolved animal. How about the murders? What should we think about them? What about the hundreds of millions of dollars in damage left on the doorstep of private citizens and the taxpayer when these animals leave their roost? What would be the top headlines if ANY ONE of these things happened during the events held by the Tea Party? I guess we know now who the “best in society” really are, huh? I say jail them and throw away the key. When you catch the murderers, take them out back and return the favor. Or give them the “choice” to take a ticket to Russia instead of living in this still free society.

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  • eramthgin
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:19pm

    These people are FREAKS…….to them the end justifies the means. And if a few women get raped along the way…..well that is the price that has to be paid.

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  • eramthgin
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:18pm

    The people are FREAKS…….to them the end justifies the means. And if a few women get raped along the way…..well that is the price that has to be paid.

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    • pscully17
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:23pm

      wheres whoopi.?..its NOT rape, RAPE…. i mean, forced in-human sexaul assault.. has varying degrees.. if you are willingly attending a gathering of anarchists, and are a female, what you really are doing is saying… Im here, puting my health and life on the line, so raping me is acceptable. the suspect should be out of jail already, im sure.

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    • pscully17
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:27pm

      hmm if the rape victim gets pregnant.. they wont hesitate to kill the baby… and you nailed it, the leftwing will justify any negative result, if in the end, it furthers their power structure, and agenda… police getting killed or injured, is acceptable. burning buildongs down is acceptable, fostering major health hazards such as zucatti lung, tuburculosis, and stds is acceptable,, as long as we are making our point, and achieve some sort of moral victiory in our fifght against civilized societies… we just hate law, order, and civilized society…

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  • I.Gaspar
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:17pm

    This collazzo is an idiot. They will kill unborn babies but think little of a few rapes.
    “Feminist organizer, democrat strategist, brainless tool”.

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  • armymp
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:13pm

    Really… I mean, REALLY??

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  • NCTRUTH
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:09pm

    WTF How can you act like this is nothing. What is wrong when the lib women are acting like rape is no big deal. Lets see there attitude if it happens to them.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:08pm

    Past time to shut down the protest groups wherever they are breaking the law; yes they have the freedom of expression, yet when the law is broken repeatedly, time to have them move on or face the courts.

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    • RoboZiggy
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:48pm

      Courts?
      You want to see how the Liberal courts handle these insane people?
      look no further than Nashville Tennessee.
      ALL charges are being dropped on the Occupy Nashville protesters that have been arrested.
      And if you guessed that these are LIBERAL judges, BINGO, you win the cigar.

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  • HumbleCitizen
    Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:08pm

    What do you think the reaction would have been if this had happened at a T-party?

    double standards=evil.

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    • RichNGadsden
      Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:25pm

      If a fraction of one percent of the things happening with the Occupy idiots occurred at a Tea Party Rally the MSM would make it seem as though the end of the world was upon us. The phrase “double standard” does not even begin to describe what the left is capable of.

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