Kentucky Church Bans Interracial Couples From Becoming Members & Leading Worship
- Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:10pm by
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A small Kentucky church finds itself at the epicenter of a battle over racism and the gospel. Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church, a small, 40-person congregation located in Pike County, Kentucky, is catching widespread grief over its recent decision to target interracial couples. The church has decided to forbid these couples from partaking in worship activities and will not allow them to become members.
At the heart of the decision stands 24-year-old Stella Harville. Her father, Dean Harville, is a longtime member of and secretary for church who has come out strongly against the newfound regulation. While his daughter grew up in the church and worshiped there, she is not currently a member.
The situation commenced when Stella, who is working on a master’s degree in optical engineering at a college in Indiana, brought her African-born fiancé, Ticha Chikuni, to church last June.
It what many would describe as a wonderful example of a couple worshiping together, Stella played the piano, while Ticha sang. All was well — or so they thought.
Later on in the summer, Dean claims that the church’s former pastor, Melvin Thompson, told him that Stella and her boyfriend were not permitted to sing to the congregation again. In August, Thompson stepped down from his pastoral post, citing health concerns. However, in what many are calling an instance of racism, he refused the family’s requests to drop the issue and to allow interracial performances.
The new pastor, Stacy Stepp, apparently told the couple that they were free to sing at the church if they wanted to. But in November, Thompson, clearly still having influence in the church, pushed the issue further and encouraged congregants to go along with his bans on various aspects of interracial worship.
Apparently, the proposal read, ”parties of [interracial] marriages will not be received as members, nor will they be used in worship services.” WKYT.com has the entire alleged statement:
“That the Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church does not condone interracial marriage. Parties of such marriages will not be received as members, nor will they be used in worship services and other church functions, with the exception being funerals.
All are welcome to our public worship services. This recommendation is not intended to judge the salvation of anyone, but is intended to promote greater unity among the church body and the community we serve.”
The church decided to put the proposal up for a vote this week and apparently nine individuals voted in favor, with six others voting against it. While there were others in attendance, some didn’t take a stand on the matter.
Dean called the entire spectacle racist and said, “It sure ain’t Christian. It ain’t nothing but the old devil working.” Thomson, though, says that the proposal has been taken out of context and has declined to comment further on the matter.
“It’s just a travesty, especially of Christianity, that this church feels this way. They‘ve crossed the line in revoking my fiance and mine’s right to worship in a public place,” Stella told WYMT-TV. “It hurts even more that I have attended this church ever since I was a baby.”
Stella is extremely saddened by the spectacle and does not have plans to go back to the church. Her parents plan to ask the church to reconsider its decision during Wednesday night’s service — or they plan to find a new house of worship.
(H/T: Gawker)
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cassandra
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:39pmI say let the people show their disapproval by going to another church and let the pastor see his donations drop off this is no Christian church, all the people should just leave that church and let the pastor preach to the few racist morons that remain
Report Post »Ndbbm
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:39pmThey are more than welcome at my church, Vinyard Boise ask for Adam. God loves you nomatter what these mouth breathers think!
Report Post »bluegoldnationdotcom
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:57pmI have a better question….why is this story on the Blaze? Why choose the story? What narrative does this advance? Why not pick one of the THOUSANDS of churches doing good deeds to advance the cause of Christianity instead of continuing the liberal nonsense that churches are hateful places?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:03pm“why is this story on the Blaze?”
To stir the pot, obviously. Controversy sells, and theblaze is out there to get more views to see more ads to make more money.
YoungBloodNews
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:05pmMuhammad Ali would LOVE this church (yep he thought like this too, just click the link if you doubt me):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiWFLsgVi4
Report Post »cdavis411
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:06pmthe Truth has now agenda
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:10pmThat Baptist church is totally racist. I‘d like to see them prove from the Bible where interracial people can’t belong to a church or lead worship. Would never belong or attend to a Baptist church of that type.
Report Post »YoungBloodNews
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:11pm@LOCKED
So true, this site is like a tabloid with sparse ‘legit’ breaking news or investigative reports. I come here for all you good people and friends.
Report Post »watashbuddyfriend
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:15pmBluegoldnationdotcom, amen to your comment!
Report Post »watashbuddyfriend
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:16pmLocked, amen to your comment, too!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:21pmNdbbm, I glad your church is tolerant, something I believe is inherent in the teachings of Christ.
Unfortunately many Christians don’t believe as you do. Frankly I’m surprised that at least half the posts here support the couple. Liberals these days, at least the ones I know, don’t so much as give a thought to interracial or same sex unions. A liberal would say, if you were to question one about it, “Who cares?” But just as 50 years ago interracial marriages signaled to Conservatives the collapse of the morality and the death civilization (like the Roman empire), so now people think gay marriage signals the end of Western civilization. Friends, that too will pass.
Really. Who cares who marries whom?
Report Post »Timsincali
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:29pmThe woman and her boyfriend are free to go elsewhere to worship. Let me say that I come from a family that has had one non Anglo as a part of it. His, the gentleman who was brown skinned and I use that because he despised “African American,” family felt the same way as the church as do I. Now, if someone at the Blaze would like to confirm this I’d be more than willing to provide proof of everything I state here. Here is the bottom line on this and I must say that the Ali video is so very valid even today. The “White race” is becoming extinct as will be our way of life. There is no way around that. Take a look at all the educated Black Folk who run Birmingham, AL. or Detroit, MI….. how are they doing. How has Chicago, D.C. Atlanta et. al been doing? Well the culture of the Americans whom find themselves to be of African heritage is not conducive to a successfully administered municipal organization. Heck, name one country on the continent of Africa that is a great safe place to live & thrive? Hint…. there is not one.
Now, I do not subscribe to any hatred of any human being but I do support the truth. Of course the truth has a liberating affect on everyone and just because someone may be conditioned to shun the actions of this church because of 60 plus years of organized social conditioning, does not make what the church did wrong. It is in fact…. natural and supported in every other race except what is currently referenced as, the “White Race.”
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:32pmBlue and Locked, So I guess you guys don’t agree with the episles of Paul. Should he have just shut his mouth and let them continue to go in the wrong direction? If this is not brought to light and shamed then it gives your enemies more ammo to smear Christians. This church needs to repent and change their ways.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:44pmjzs
Really. Who cares who marries whom?
Both interracial and gay marriage makes me sick to my stomach. Just my opinion..
Even God said he didn’t like it.. He didn’t want the Israelites marrying any of the other people surrounding them.. He must have thought that one group was inferior or superior to the other.. Sort of like race mattered?
Whatever. I just hate the group think!
People ask why does the Blaze put this on their site.. The answer is simple. Universalism and Multiculturalism are the pillars of the coming one World Gov’t which Beck is helping to promote. It’s essential that people like me who oppose such concepts be marginalized and rejected by our sick society.
Does that help you to understand?
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:44pmTimsincali, Does your bible not teach that we all came from adam and eve or are you just dumber than a bag of hammers. There are evil men and good men. Prejudice is a sign of an ignorant follower of the voice of the adversary.
Report Post »YoungBloodNews
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:47pmYou folks are entertaining. In the words of Thomas Paine:
“The christian religion is a parody…” yes he says more but you can look it up and do research.
No I don’t agree with him on this but many current religious groups (cough* Jesuits *cough google their symbol/logo) do. This goes deeper but Ill stop here as many are weak in their faith…
Report Post »WVfishguy
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:57pmBless you, NDBBM.
Report Post »I used to work in rural Kentucky. A church deacon I worked with was outraged when I expressed my acceptance of mixed marriages, and he told me, “Do you really think God intended whites and blacks to be together?”
I pretty much guarantee his church would not accept mixed couples.
BTW – I was called “******-lover” more than once both in Kentucky and rural West Virginia.
Ari Ben TZion
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:58pmMoses was married to an African woman. So, I guess if Moses were around he would not be allowed to worship together with Tsippora?
Report Post »robert
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:58pmIf this church prefers to reject inter racial marriage they have as much of a valid platform as those who think just the opposite. Very likely they want to carry on the bloodline of people like themselves, which is a perfectly normal preference.
In fact such feelings are imbeded in nearly every person of every race. Only those who have been mentally conditioned to accept PC tenets depart from the natural order.
The ideological PC, diversity crowd, will not tolerate anyone who doesn’t share their views on a rainbow utopia 100%. It‘s not enough for a person to say that they don’t care if others want to practice multiculturalism but they would prefer to stick to their own kind. They are hated and demonized by these dregs for simply having different points of view, and the PC bunch will not stand for it.
Of course that reveals who the real bigots are. They think interracial marriages are fine, and if you don‘t you’re a racist or a hater, not someone who prefers that his family members and himself/herself want children who look like them and their ancestors.
To these mentally disturbed people, a person cannot have a different view than the one they’ve been brainwashed into believing.
If they had a motto, it would be, “Support love and tolerance or I’ll kill you,” and think their position was morally superior.
Michael Savage is right: ” Liberalism is a mental disorder.”
To each his own.
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:15pmAs someone whose been in an interracial marriage I find this attitude offensive, call me a race traitor all you’d like, I’d rather be extinct than stupid or ignorant.
Report Post »amrcn
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:17pmTruth is that most people do not like it and most of the time it is blacks trying to marry up with a white woman who is usually poor, fat and unattractive….not pc, who cares, just truth
Report Post »Bluegrasstide
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:17pmTECHENGINEER,
I think you might be misrepresenting the book of Exodus a bit. Your reference to God’s command to not marry outside of the tribe is not referring to race. If you read the entire scripture it is fairly evident that the reference is made because the surrounding tribes are worshiping false gods. In fact, the 2nd chapter of Exodus also addresses an interracial marriage by none other than Moses.
I have never understood those who would ramble about the inferiority of one race as opposed to another. Someone made a comment about social conditioning, I guess in reference to political correctness, and its role in this decision. Even going as far as to assert that the decision may not be wrong. Any decision on this matter is solely dependent on who or what your source of authority is. My source is God as referenced in His Word-which preaches His love for all mankind. If you do not subscribe to that source, well, that is the great thing about the country we live in, you do not have to. However, churches do subscribe to God as the ultimate source of authority in deciding all matters. Therefore, any attempt to understand, rationalize, or pass judgement or this decision by using any other source other than what the Church itself is guided by is futile and invalid. Sort of like giving a student some history questions and an Algebra I book to answer them with.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:21pmSilly Robert,
Report Post »For all your talk of freedom you understand so little about it.
First off, freedom is individual. There’s no species-level or race-level consciousness toward self-preservation. That’s a liberal argument.
But more importantly, no one here‘s saying they shouldn’t be free to be racist. We‘re just condemning they shouldn’t be racist. It’s first amendment vs. first amendment here, which, by the way, guarantees you the right to speak, but not to be heard, much less be actually right.
All mental orders of your own or anyone else’s aside though, let’s just talk definitions. Racism = holding people to different standards based on race, no? Then racist is what these people objectively are. Not a slur, just a description.
You are okay with their racism? OK. I’m fine with your freedom to be racist too, until you act on it to impinge on another’s freedom. But I’ll still use my freedom to call you what you are then: a racist. embrace yourself, and the consequences: that rational people will stop paying attention to your opinions.
NeoFan
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:23pmWhat is so funny is that people actually think that they are of a “Pure” race. Show us where we can view your “Pure” geneology? Do you even know who is in your family tree three generations ago? Your ignorance is staggering. Just show a mixed marrige if you want to hear screams from the infernal pit.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:26pm*All mental disorders…
Report Post »marjorie faye
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:33pmJZS, the Bible condemns the practice of homosexuality, period. It does not condemn interracial marriages.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:35pmI have tangible evidence that I comunicate directly with God himself…and he has chosen me to be like Ezra from the bible…I stand with this church on this decision
Report Post »jzs
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:48pmHi engineer. Hey dude! I hear David Duke (the KKK guy who hates Rachel Maddow) got kicked out of Europe for spreading the message! Seriously man, can you believe that crap? What happened to freedom of speech? That’s the worst thing that has happened since that Norwegian Christian guy, Anders Behring Breivik, was arrested for protesting against multiculturalism in Europe. Bum rap!
You are the resident anti-Semite on this website right? I know you from your posts. You stand out.
Your kind goes away as time passes, people get old, and a new generation comes along. The current generation and especially the new generation doesn’t hold your opinion and frankly, Tech, they don’t care who marries whom. There’s no changing the opinion of people like you, but you and your kind will eventually go away.
Most went away in the 50s, but I see you carry the prejudice of you forbears. Your are a dying species. Cling as tightly as you want, your kind is history.
Report Post »arx
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:51pmHappy I believe you go too far in your criticism of Robert.
I don’t believe a church should be in the business of discrimination based on race. However, it is their church, and if that is what they want, so be it.
However, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with not wanting a person of different race to be a part of your inner group. One can feel that way and still have charity and genuine respect for people of other races. You definition of a ‘racist’ may be a bit broad.
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:10pmIf churches can accept gays, against biblical teachings, then those same churches can ban couples. Don‘t go if you don’t agree.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:19pmHi there JZS,
Report Post »Can’t agree with you more about Engineer.
And can’t help but wonder why you feel the need to season your proper criticisms with willful inaccuracy and logical fallacy, but I guess that’s your stock in trade.
Breivik was about as Christian as Hitler and you know it. Also, for anyone interested, his “conservatism” was also a sham. The best article is here: http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2011/07/breivik-and-totalitarian-democ.php
Nice try, though.
TH30PH1LUS
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:36pm“And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation…” Acts 17:26
“For you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28
Science & the Bible agree – there is only ONE race – the Human Race.
The Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church – like many churches in America today – are disobedient to God’s Word.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:38pmThe unconstitutional LBJ civil rights did not change Gods word, no interacial stuff permited
Why unconstitutional, the minority was given power over the “MAJORITY RULE” factor and we have not stopped sliding down the slop
Report Post »HippoNips
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:40pmIt’s just a travesty, especially of Christianity, that this church feels this way. They‘ve crossed the line in revoking my fiance and mine’s right to worship in a public place,” Stella told WYMT-TV. “It hurts even more that I have attended this church ever since I was a baby.”
Okay , it all sounds like a set up.
Report Post »First of all, a church is not a public place. Secondly, Baptists do not frown on interacial marriages.
My parents were married by black pastor with a white wife.
Thirdly, they aren’t even married.
Seems like it’s their living in sin NOW , that is the issue, not an eventual marriage.
Modawg734Blue
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:41pm@ BlueGold, Because people need to be made aware of the dangers of blind religion. Christ did not come to establish a religion, he came to project a way of life, that would draw mankind closer to God. Hatred and prejudice are EVIL, no matter where they are practiced.
Report Post »mils
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:48pmLord have mercy…I thouight “religion” was supposed to be color blind.. imagine… religious “prejudice” hhmmmm ‘
Report Post »I would like to believe God is color blind..
Anti_Spock
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:53pmThis church is just another virulent strain of religious expression. Among thousands of other strains, all fighting for survival in the same petrie dish. “My strain will accept these people,” yes, I’m sure it will.
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:38amQuite a few things to address:
Personally, I wouldn’t want to go to a church like this.
As far as Moses is concerned, yes, he did marry a woman who was an Ethiopian. Not only does the Bible say that he did, Josephus agreed with the Bible on this, and actually gives more details on it. (Antiquities of the Jews chapter 10, sections 252 and 253).
I do happen to know 100% of my ancestors back to my great-great grandparents, the majority of my ancestors for a few generations prior, and some ancestors back more than 500 years… enough to be confident that I do not have the sickle cell trait (which is important because my husband has sickle cell anemia).
A person’s skin color does not determine their cultural values. My interracial family is conservative and Christian. My husband listens to talk radio when he gets into the car, loves Mickey Mouse, and can’t stand rap music. My (white) sister-in-law sometimes teases him by calling him “Carlton” (in reference to the guy from the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air who liked “white” things).
One of the reasons why Africa is in such a c raphole that it is today is because the Europeans came down there in the 1800s and carved it all up for themselves. They had their problems, but the way that the nations were divided up back then didn’t help.
Report Post »RationalMan
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 1:13amThank you Blazed for posting this story…
It goes to show the hyprocracy of relegion….
Do you have a problem with that??
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 1:52amBluebonnet
No it is 60% or less racist. There are enough racist members however to really spoil everything. A 50 member church really can’t afford to lose 6 to 20 members. If they do the church will fold. The racist will have a hard time finding a church to accept them. but that is their problem.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:01amWhat are you all babbling about?
You ALL love the Blaze when it posts Atheist articles so you can collectively bash it, but when it posts a negative about religion you say it has an agenda and that it is only posting a negative story among all of the good ones possible.
Report Post »Christian
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:44amI think it’s on the Blaze, because the truth has no agenda. It’s on every other news outlet, and if the Blaze didn’t include it, they would seem to be covering it up. Furthermore, the Blaze showed that not everyone at the church is for it, including the new pastor. Most of the other outlets are leaving all that information out.
Report Post »mauijonny
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:52am@ JZS, you are SO WRONG about ‘Conservatives’ and inter-racial marriage. It was the southern dems who gave birth to this crap, right along with Jim Crow Laws. You wanna talk about peeps who’re constantly relating everything to race and money, I’ll show you a dem. BTW, my parents are bi-racial and they’re both Consevative (except, mostly, for the religion thing – long story…)
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:50amWhen members have to “vote” on issues in the congregation you know it’s not a Bible based church… thus find the one true church that does, the one that Christ built and shed His blood for.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:53amThis story is here to inform us of what’s going on. God doesn’t make a distinction between races (colors) of people. It does explicitly state in the Bible that a man should not lie with a man like he does a woman, but it doesn’t say a black man should not lie with a white woman. Like I said before, Christians are not like the fairy tale moderate muslims. We will condemn such practices when we hear about them. If the Blaze had NOT reported on it, you would have blamed them for covering it up because it happened in a supposed Christian church. They can’t win.
Report Post »donnyb
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:54amThis story is good! God is not prejudice neither is He a “respecter of persons”! This church needs to repent. Before they or anyone can repent their sin must be exposed!
I pray that God will shake every church. Shake everything that can be shaken and uproot everything not like Him.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:56am@Bluebonnet
There are different Baptist churches around. Freewill Baptist is NOT like Southern Baptist. There is even a seventh day Baptist. I’m Southern Baptist and we have black people in our church, including bi-racial couples. We have lots of hispanics, in fact we share our building with a totally Spanish speaking congregation. Every couple of months we have a combined service that is interpreted. It’s really neat to hear the Mexican pastor speak. he is truly a godly man. Please don’t lump all Baptists or even all Christians into one category.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:05am@NeoFan
Actually I know my family heritage back to the late 1600′s. Technically, I’m not “pure” either. I have French, German, English, Scottish, Irish, and American Indian. I was told by a highschool peer that the K K K wouldn’t take me because (Indian aside) I had French ancestory. I said, good.
Report Post »123456beatriz
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:28am@BluegolDnAtiondotcom. How much George Soros is paying to you moron, if don’t like to read The Blaze, well get out of here!, so….
Report Post »Jezcruzen
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:30amShould there not be a freedom to associate any longer because of something that you don’t agree with? If someone or some group does not think people of different races should date or marry, but never speaks ill or takes offense at other races, are they still “racists” because of their belief that people of different races should not cohabitate, become a “couple” or raise a family together? If the race aspect was removed and replaced with religion instead, what would some of you call it then? Would it be OK then in your vast cosmopolitan open-mindedness? Those of you who feel the overpowering need to rush and comment here so as to show everyone else how enlightened you are in hopes of giving yourself your own “atty boy” so you can feel superior need to think about it more. The reality is, most people probably don’t see things like you do. They don’t feel the same as you do. They hold completely different beliefs than you do…and you know what? In a free society those with a different outlook, even an extreme one, have a perfect right to believe what they want, and to associate with others that believe as they do. Don’t like it? Then take a hike elsewhere. Simple.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:30amWhile I agree that tolerence of immoral activities is destroying the moral fabric of America this is neither immoral or destructive. There are no colors in god’s eyes. If the church wants to exclude members exclude people who have abortions,those that beat their spouces,those that abuse their children,those that are abusing drugs and alcohol. You don’t exclude good productive members of society who believe and love Christ.
Report Post »kcares
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:15amI agree with BLUEGOLDNATIONNOTCOM – Instead of the “hateful church”, show stories of all the good Churches do.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:09am…well there‘s a church I won’t be attending.
Not only because of their bigoted stand, but because I’m in an interracial marriage to an interracial woman and we have tri-racial kids.
My problem with this is here:
Scripture is clear that God wants us to be more like Him and that He made us in His image.
Surely, with three subgroups within the human race (Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid), if there truly is an image of God and He created us in it, the closer you come to having the three combined into one race has to be the closest picture of Him, right?
I’ll say that again, just to be perfectly clear: the combination of the three subgroups back into one race to the glory of God has got to please him.
So, I know my kids look how God intended the human race to look and I’m raising them to act how God wanted us to act.
If this was my church, that‘s the argument I’d be making. Oh- and BTW: I’m in a Baptist church. This isn’t a Baptist core belief.
By this, this church shows me that it’s a Baptist church only inasmuch as Westboro is.
BINO. Baptist in Name Only.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:22am@HAPPYSTRETCHEDTHIN…I glimpsed over your link about Ander’s Brevik…I suppose the link was provided to disassociate Anders from Conservatives…for me it didn’t work. I saw where he had just viewed an Al Gore movie about the environment..so that was supposed to mean that he was worried that Al Gore was right? Don’t think so..but he may have seen the complete manipulation of what ole Al was trying to do.. As far as Brevik goes…he does in my opinion think like a Conservative… and although I don’t agree with what he did…he was right in his assessments…The rest of us will be sitting ducks for Islam..But it is all in God’s plan…He will weed out the ones who are not his..I only hope Brevik accepts Christ and comes to know him before his death…just like I had hoped Timothy McVeigh would..but never did..He said “I am the Master of my own fate…keeper of my soul.” These men would have been heralded had they obeyed God in old testament times and carried out missions from God…but sadly..they operated on their own..The only right anyone has to take another’s life is in defense of their own.or another.. But the wonderful thing is that they can be forgiven if they ask God for forgiveness in the name of Jesus/Yeshua , repent and turn from it..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:28am@TECHENGINEER I’m with you…both types marriage makes me sick too..I just plain makes me wince to look at this couple..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:34am@BLUEGRASSTIDE That is not a correct assumption about Moses marrying out of his race..most preachers preach that..but from a Jewish website..they said that Moses was raised in a princely fashion by the Pharoah’s daughter..so he was raised by certain standards.. The woman..by Jewish knowledge..was from his own tribe..but her people had been exiled into Cush was it? He married a woman of his own race..Why did God make us all different races if He wanted us to intermarry.?..
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:37amYo Mils, God is not color blind, He sees very clearly, so should we. I see color, you see color. It’s what you do with it in your / my heart that matters. God’s “heart” is good, ours… not so!
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:51amI’m white. I love my race. I love my heritage. Race matters. Race has always mattered and it always will. However, attempting to have a discussion on the issue of race with the typical American who has exposed to about 75 years of nonstop anti-White pro multicultural propaganda is akin to telling your 7-8 yr old there’s no Santa Clause. They can’t believe it and they thoroughly reject it. Then a year or two passes, they grow older and wiser, they begin to examine the facts and eventually they see the light no matter how discouraging it might be initially.
Over the years I have mostly been lackadaisical on the issue of race. It’s never really been a big deal to me because I try to see the best in everyone; however, it was the Immigration policies which eventually opened my eyes to the more sinister aspect of race and to the plot of those who are conspiring to create a One-World Globalist Multicultural society in which they reign.
There are books about race presenting the pros and the cons. Don’t assume you know everything. Read the data. Personally in my life I don’t need to see the data because I’ve experienced it first-hand. There’s no way under the sun that one could possibly convince me that different races as a whole are identical and that there are no differences among them. If you believe that then you are extremely misinformed.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:58amAll of you multicult adovcates who can’t seem to find one bit of difference between the races I encourage you take your family into the heart of Africa for a few weeks maybe even Haitti or downtown Detroit, Philly, NO and get back with me… I mean that is if you get back right? lol
Come on people surely you know better don’t you? Surely you are able to see the different values and standards cultivated in the various cultures right? Actually it’s in the Genetics. Don’t believe me? Consider this. Swap out the people of Haitti and Ice Land and tell me what do you think would be the result and please tell me why? Remember that Haitti use to be a tropical Paradise but not so much anymore. Why?
Report Post »Bill in Texas
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:00amIs the blaze just trying to propagate the fallacy that the Baptist Community is full of racist churches?
Not mine! My church is very diverse and blessed because of it. We welcome everyone no matter what background, skin color, interracial marriage, or what have you. No one is discriminated against and we don’t tolerate any of our members practicing discrimination. We are all children of God. None is better than the other.
Report Post »Brizz
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:02amGotta agree, the Blaze has lost its way. So many stories on the site are becoming more divisive. Way to go Beck you must be so proud.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:05amYo Ashes:
Report Post »“Why did God”……. to expose the heart of a man…. do you not believe that we ALL come from Adam and Eve?
I would also question your responce to Moses wife from Cush, though I want to double check before I speak.
Show me where the Lord Himself directly forbids this…. and I will stand corrected… if you cannot do this then you should “stand” corrected….. blessings
4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:11amYo Tech:
Report Post »Haiti…why ? you ask…. they have a culture of worshiping demons… not hard to figure out the connection…. if we did that in America there would be no “America”. It’s the HEART of a man, not his SKIN.
robert
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:18amHappyStretchedThin
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:21pm
Silly Robert,
” For all your talk of freedom you understand so little about it.
First off, freedom is individual. There’s no species-level or race-level consciousness toward self-preservation”
What you say is not only steeped in a lack of education, it is blatantly stupid as is your entire rant.
The highest instinct in the entire animal world is self preservation and a perpetuation of the species.
People like you are weak minded, brainwashed zombies who have been conditioned to mouth PC platitudes in order to get you to believe those things that basic facts of nature prove false.
People gravitate to their own kind or are you blind, too? Go to a “multicultural” school cafeteria and see kids who are together with their own kind in groups. That mostly occurs among adults too….everywhere.
Why do you think there are racial/multicultural divisions in neighborhoods? It is because people prefer their own kind. Whit flight, when blacks move into a white neighborhood tells far more about human nature than the lies you want people to believe.
The entire world gives the same kind of examples of forced integration gone bad. Just look at the Balkins, Africa, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, on and on. Ethnic fights and riots occur every where people are forced to live together who do not want to.
I would suggest you read George Orwell’s 1984, but I doubt you have enough intelligence to understa
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:20am4TRUTH2ALL Hi Truth…Please understand..I have friends of all races that I know of..But why did God make us different? As for Adam and Eve..I believe that they were the first of God’s kingdom…before they fell..But pray tell…when Cain murdered his brother Abel…who were the heathens that Cain married into? And why were there Canaanites for Esau to marry into? Just ponderings…I have always had the question thrown to me about who was it that Cain married.. seems that may always be somewhat of a mystery. I have been told it could have been other children of Adam‘s and Eve’s..It has also been suggested by Jewish websites that their were beasts of the field or heathens…ya know that song “beast of burden?” lol Oh well..I love all of God’s kids…It just doesn;t seem right to marry outside of one’s own race..Blessings Truth
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:24amRationalMan
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 1:13am
Thank you Blazed for posting this story…
It goes to show the hyprocracy of relegion….
Do you have a problem with that??
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This is such a logical fallacy it does not even deserve a response. But as this poster seems to be one of the most irrational people I have read in here I will try to explain it to him. Irrational dude, you cannot judge the whole of religion by the example of one church. My church would welcome this couple, as I would welcome them into my house. The majority of Christians responding here seem to agree that they also have no problem. So my experience of religion cancels out yours.
Problem? No, you are obviously prejudiced against Christianity. It was a blatant troll designed to elicit a response. I only obliged because I could not resist, yet again, to point out the irrationality of someone who seems to think he is a rational man.
@ Techengineer,
According to my Bible we are all descended from Adam and Eve, and secular science, through the misnamed “Mitochondrial Eve” shows a bottleneck in our DNA that clearly points to the flood survivors. This means that we are all related and are all brothers and sisters. Jesus tells us we need to love our brothers and sisters, love them as ourselves. You fail. If you are a Christian you had better start reading your Bible.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:25am4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:11am
Yo Tech:
Haiti…why ? you ask…. they have a culture of worshiping demons… not hard to figure out the connection…. if we did that in America there would be no “America”. It’s the HEART of a man, not his SKIN.
Well if skin color doesn’t matter you should be able to point out a White culture that has embraced demon worship on such a level? I‘m not aware of one but on the other hand that’s just one black skin culture that has embraced demon worship on a widescale level.. There are others. So why the tendency?
Report Post »RRFlyer
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:26amJZS you are Very Very wrong. To say that “Unfortunately many Christians don’t believe as you do” is a false statement based on your own prejudiced feelings
Report Post »cycloid
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:27amI’ll bet that Rev. Jeremiah Wright says, “Come join us! Feel our love!”
Report Post »robert
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:35amNeoFan
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:23pm
“What is so funny is that people actually think that they are of a “Pure” race. Show us where we can view your “Pure” geneology? Do you even know who is in your family tree three generations ago? Your ignorance is staggering. Just show a mixed marrige if you want to hear screams from the infernal pit.”
Your biggest problem is ignorance.
Because various ethnicities of Caucasoids interbreed has nothing to do with “mixed marriages.” They are all of the same race. Races are distinct groups of people who have commonality with each other. Race comprises an extended family. Skin color doesn’t define race either. Middle Easterners and some Indians, as well as other “colored” people, belong to the species known as Caucasoids.
Skeletal evidence of each of these would be basically the same as Europeans. That’s not true of other peoples of the earth.
You have been effectively programmed into a multicultural mindset by masters whose intent and desires is to create a one world government, with a one world man, so they distorted basic scientific facts to fit their agenda and fed it to people like you who are brainwashed into believing their propaganda.
One of their tactics is to make a person feel morally superior by adapting their perverted schemes. It worked nicely with you.
There’s nothing at all wrong with wanting to pro-create with one’s own kind. Every race wants that except for a few misfits
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:39amTimothy’s grandmother and mother were Jewish…. his father was a Greek (Gentile)… splain that one to me Lucy….
Report Post »robert
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:52amJZS
“The current generation and especially the new generation doesn’t hold your opinion and frankly, Tech, they don’t care who marries whom. ”
What have you been smoking now, old man?
Survey after survey reveals that the vast, vast majority of whites, Asians, and Latinos prefer to stay within their own groups. If you don‘t know that you’re badly miseducated or just plain lying, like most of the radical left has to do to have any kind of argument.
Did you know that after ALL THE BRAINWASHING for years a survey of high schoolers voted in favor of separate but equal regarding the schools? I‘m pretty sure most of the few who didn’t agree to that were trying to be nice for reasons of PC.
The most basic instincts of the human race is the “survival of the species.” It’s something that is ingrained in all of us.
The only way it can be altered is by rote brainwashing techniques, like those used in Orwell’s 1984 world, which is exactly what has been done. You’ve been hammered for so many years into a “diversity” mindset by masters who can get you to think anyway they want to you are incapable of objective thought. That doesn’t work with stronger-minded peole who have a broader view of the world around them.
And, anybody who who thinks the mentally disturbed Rachel Maddow is above criticism needs to find a Marxist, mind-controlled web site to frequent instead of a conservative one to keep from suffering such angst when you hear opposition to h
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:54amYo Ashes:
Report Post »You ask good questions , and I believe they have answers. To lenghty for me to go into here. I suggest that some Jewish sites may not be the best place to get the truth. Nothing against the Jews. I would suggest… Answers in Genesis web site and another that I at the moment cannot recall… there are others… Pastors John Piper, John MacAuther… there are many that will teach and answer your questions.
Do you not know that God looks at the heart of a man and not his appearance. I do believe that you have an issue of your own heart, that the Lord would like you to have the courage to deal with. It is easy to love those like us, not so much the opposite. Hay, I got my own issues that God is working out in me… so I ain’t all that. God wants to raise the bar in your life ….let Him…….peace
dpmeek71
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:59amThe bottom line is this is a group of people that are ignoring the teachings of the Bible to interject their own bias.
There was no disclaimer in John 3:16 that excluded people. Christ died for everyone, period. My advise is to find a new Church that is a Bible believing church and shake the dust off your feet as you walk out the door of this place.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:11amYo Tech:
Report Post »I do not know history on the level you are asking. I do believe that you ask the wrong questions. I try to deal with people on an individual basis. Your concern should be you and your own heart, not them and theirs. I could say many things here and list a whole lot of verses that do not back your position, (Jesus and the woman at the well) but I have already stated what matters to God and in the end all that will count in YOUR life. If you follow Gods word… follow IT, not yours or mine. Look for evil and you will find it, look for good and you will find it. I chose to look for the good in people it is hard sometimes… I will admit. (Do not intend to preach)…. blessings
techengineer11
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:14amtrolltrainer: A desire to preserve my race doesn’t imply that I hate anyone. I don’t. I have many problems with 3 races in particular but I certainly do not hate individuals. Have you looked at the crime stats over the past 10-20 years? We get all twisted out of shape over 9-11 but we simply turn the other way when so many of our fellow race are being slaughtered in our very own streets. I’d be willing to bet that if FOX News or Glenn Beck pointed the facts out to the Blaze readers then you’d all of suddenly see a groundswell of concern over interracial crime.. But they don’t. As a matter of fact the crime statistics are purposely hidden from White America in order to promote their Multicultural World Gov’t.
As far as the bottleneck goes I’m a little suspicious about that claim. I wish I understood that a little better but it seems a little farfetched to me to believe that such variations in races occurred over just the past 3-5 thousand years.
Report Post »Glockwise2000
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:19am@BLUEGOLDNATIONDOTCOM. Not trying to bash you of whatsoever. But reality is there is no good news than a bad news to report.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:29amTech,
There is LESS difference in the DNA between ANY two people on earth than there is between two chimps from different tribes.
Report Post »rocketwrangler
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:30amThis should tell everyone that clearly this is not Christ’s church. Christ died for His church and determined how we can be ADDED to it. In no place in the Bible is anyone “voted” into the church. Following the pattern set forth in the Bible, one is added to Christ’s church by 1. Hearing the Gospel Rom 10:17, 2. Believe Acts 15:11, 3. Repent 2 Cor 7:10, 4. Confess 1 Jn 1:9, 5. Baptism Acts 2:38. There are many other scripture that suppport this pattern and many examples of people following this pattern, yet there is NO example of anyone voting to allow someone to “join” the church. Therefore, any church that votes for someone to join the church is not the church of the Bible. Also, there is NOTHING in the Bible that restricts interracial couples from being added to the church. SPEAK WHERE THE BIBLE SPEAKS AND BE SILENT WHERE THE BIBLE IS SILENT.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:38amYo Ashes:
Report Post »Concerning Moses wife…See Numbers 12 1-16…. also “INESV” mentions on post below. I forget more then I remember.. Cush is present day Ethiopia… this I remembered. That didn’t take long to get an answer.
debvos
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:41amYou have the right attitude my friend, NDBBM!! I am sorry to say it is insane that people like BLUEGOLDNATIONDOTCOM and LOCKED do not get it! The bible teaches us to love all and it never said anything about being against interracial marriage. It does say not to be unequally yoked (Christians should not marry into other religions). Meaning folks your faith as a CHRISTIAN should be with a like MINDED partner!
Report Post »JRook
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:44am@bluegoldnationdotcom Actually let’s here about their political orientation and what other insightful and intelligent views they have to offer society.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:52amYo Trolltrainer:
Report Post »Good to see your posts, last time I came across your posts you were witnessing to another, seemed like they were listening… was good to see. Been learning more about DNA lately could you please point me in the direction of this “bottleneck” information. Just watched a great video about the constellations and how we can know the time frames of the Birth by them… amazing!
Go to http://www.bethlehemstarmovie.com … blessings
sweetgold
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:11pmI think the Blaze was correct in getting this type of story out quickly. The left will make much noise about this unfortunate incident. I believe the church has a right to conduct their affairs as they see fit. But, at the same time they really aren‘t practicing any christian values I’m aware of. I cannot condone their decision.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:14pm@Tech and Ashes
You are wrong on this one. If you are pure blood then you can say something but if you have English, German, Native American, Irish, or anything like that mixed you are equivalent to a black and white marrying or Hispanic and white. If it was that important to be pure blood you would be, but neither of you are, are you?
Ashes-Cain married his sister.
@4truth2all
Keep up the good fight.
Report Post »StanO360
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:29pmJZS, why do you associate Conservatives with racism? It was Christian Conservatives that fought slavery, Christian Conservatives that advanced civil rights. You are confusion Southerners, and Southern Democrats (cultural Christians) with Christian Conservatives (at least the vast majority of them).
Report Post »BuzzardSays
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:48pmThe members of the church would have been stricken with leprosy as Miriam was when she objected to Moses marrying a black woman. In that exchange Moses fell on his face before God and asked that Miriam’s punishment be taken away. And it was. Praise God.
The church has a right to be racist for sure…but I would not go there as it appears they do not read the bible and certainly don’t practice it. Just saying.
Report Post »ME
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:52pm“Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.” – Aristotle
We are so tolerant we have no tolerance for the intolerant. – ME
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 1:48pmNot sure why my name is being brought up here again. A question was asked “Why is this on theblaze?” It’s because theblaze aims to make a profit, and controversy sells. It’s a statement of fact. If you want an entirely pro-Christianity site, go to a Christian website. Theblaze definitely has a pro-Christian bias to it, but money is their primary motivator, not censoring stories they know will cause discussion because it might show a religion in a negative light.
I never said making a profit is a bad thing, but your words against my comment are misplaced. Why do NEOFAN and DEBVOS think theblaze would run this story if not for the controversy? Do you think the site is anti-Christian?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:14pm@okie Got to go with Robert’s answer on that one Okie..Jews are the better historians…Jesus’ lineage had a harlot and some incest fromLot Lot and his daughters , but their was no foreign blood that I know of..Lots ..The true Spaniards are white Okie..but when they got to Mexico..they mixed with the Indians such as the Incas ,Aztechs , Mescalero and different ones.. But a lot of Hispanics are now testing their bloodlines for Jewish ancestry..I think it must be done though the males..and guess what..a lot of them are coming up with Jewish ancestry.. Jews look somewhat Indianish.. I don’t have anything against any race..just marrying into one other than one’s own…but that’s big number of us..on all sides.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:18pmtrolltrainer
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:29am
Tech,
There is LESS difference in the DNA between ANY two people on earth than there is between two chimps from different tribes.
That’s a very specious statement in that it misleads people into thinking that it is important. The truth is that there’s only minuscule difference in the DNA of mankind and an ape.. Doesn’t mean that there are not vast differences between the two.. Same principle applies between the races. Hence the vast differences in culture.
Report Post »anubis2001
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:35pmIt is on the Blaze because they are reminding us that there is a battle being raged by the forces of evil and good and that we must make a choice to stand with GOD or be a member of the army of satan. This church has chosen their allegiance to the the god of darkness, hatred and despair. But there are still those who are out there who will alley themselves with the one true GOD of light no matter how hard they are persecuted. The Blaze is reminding us that that choice is being presented to us everyday. I pray that you choose wisely for the end result will be eternal.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:40pmYou don’t need to go to church to worship anyway. It’s actually discouraged in the bible.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 2:56pmOkie:
Ha! I respect your intelligence and debating skills and would love to know where you are coming from on the issue.
My issues are number 1. Multiculturalism is bad. It‘s not natural and it’s being forced upon all people by (****) I won‘t say so I won’t be censored but you know what I think.
2. All races have developed differently and they are currently in different states of development.
Really all the controversy is around the 2nd issue. Many simple do not want to accept the facts. For example as a White man I have no problem with acknowledging that Asians (Jews are considered Asian) score higher on IQ tests on average. That doesn’t insult me in the least; however, when I say that Africans/Blacks score the lowest then people get bent out of shape.
When one discusses crime statistics, it’s obvious that Blacks are much more prone to violence per population than Whites by simply observing the stats and the differences are gargantuan!
You may consider sports. On average Blacks excel at Basketball because of anatomy differences. One can make the same argument concerning football.. I forget what it is but something about their anatomy allows them to jump higher and they are faster on average. More fast twitch muscle vs slow twitch.
Maybe one can see the differences in aesthetics. On average I find White women to be far more beautiful than any other race on the planet. Some may find their race more attractive.
So why do I have to be evil because I
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:05pm@Ashes
Robert is wrong. Do you have Native American blood in you as well as German blood? If so that is the same thing as “white mixing with black”. That is Shem mixing with Japheth.
Shem
Japheth
Ham
We all came from those 3 tribes. The spreading at the Tower of Babel caused like groups to associate only with their own like group because they could not communicate with any one else. Over time and isolation dominant traits in each of those three ensured the colors of the world today.
Hispanics is not an original race in reality but a mix of races. Same with “Indians” or better know as Native Americans. Native Americans are associated with Shem. Japeth is associated with whites. Ham is associated with both fair and brown.
Psalm 105: 23 “Israel also came into Egypt…the land of Ham.”
Are Egyptians “black”? No.
The only reason we today think a “white” shouldn’t marry a “black” is due to a deep seeded discrimination that once was used against Native Americans as well as between Irish and German or English and Scottish.
My sister, heinz 57 like me, married a black man and had twins, a boy and girl. Both have fire red hair, with the girl having snow white skin and the boy having tan skin.
And no Jews are not the best historians otherwise they could trace their roots to the original tribes and they cannot.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:23pm@Ashes
If your skin turns brown in the sun you are not white. You are mixed.
And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle. (Exodus 12:38 KJV)
Shem is associated to “brown” as you suggested. What color is BiBi. White as associated with Japheth, Russia.
Tech can enlighten you more as to why BiBi has more the skin color of a Russian than an Arab (Shem).
What a person looks like inside is what God wants us to focus on, not their skin color. Thinking a black and white should not marry is a direct hypocrisy of the mixed race most Americans have themselves and it’s based upon evil hatred and not of God.
Have a good day.
Report Post »Svt4Him
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:24pmMoses was married to a black woman. And if people want the God who created the world by simply speaking it to be simple, Christianity isn’t the religion for you. But as far as this issue, there is no verse that is being twisted to promote this stupidity, it‘s simply stupidity for stupidity’s sake.
Report Post »netmail
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:39pmHow is this news? In the early 70′s, my fiance at the time was Navajo and I’m white. A local Baptist church welcomed us at first but when we planned to get married, they absolutely refused to perform the ceremony. Had we known their views to begin with, we never would have darkened their door. They may not lead with racism but it’s definitely entrenched in their belief systems and always will be.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 3:50pm@Tech
Howdy my friend. Hope you are doing well.
Multiculturalism is bad, but is isn’t based on race, skin color. Germans did not believe sharing the same culture as the French cause the French were sissies but both were the same shade of “color”. Irish would never breed with the English because of culture, not skin color.
So we agree, multiculturalism is bad. We disagree on what that means.
Multiculturalism in the USA has created a mentality “whites” act like this, “browns” act like that, and “blacks” act another way when in fact we are all to act American. Progressives understood thru division they can conquer and that is exactly what they did.
I am German, Irish, English, Native, and probably much more I don’t know. I was the fastest person in my school and dunked over any “black” guy who stepped on the court even though being right at 6 ft. The idea only blacks are good at basketball or are superior is falsely taught. A lot of “black” homes do teach their kids Basketball is the only way to get out the ghetto and be successful so they focus on that. “Blacks” were first targeted on the Marxist “great society” and we see the by products of that today.
As for intelligence or “IQ”, well, many inventions came from “blacks” who would probably score real low on the book IQ test.
A Childs intelligence starts with the home and thru the Marxist great society homes have become broken and Americans as a whole is falling in rankings
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:12pmOkie from Muskogee: Like to explore this a little further.. Hope I have time this evening.
Dunking eh? lol I was never able to do that but I did excel in football. Actually I started on the basketball team my Sr year as well but that was only after having to transfer to an all white private school.. lol
Be mindful now that I was alluding to the averages.. There will always be exceptions to every rule. I believe that the genetic gift which blacks have has something to do with a tendon in their heel or in their ankles.. probably could google in less than a minute but like I said I will try to respond a little more thoroughly later on.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 4:46pm@Tech
I’ll check back tonight, I gotta finish my chores around the house since it’s so beautiful out today.
My sophomore year I gave up Basketball for track to focus on my endurance and speed for football. (RB/LB) I also wrestled and needless to say stayed busy. I was head of FCA (Fellowship of Christian Athletes) and when recruiting Athletes to the club I’d visit basketball practices and the coach would let me practice with them now and again and they always tried to recruit me back. As much fun as basketball was I knew I wasn’t going pro.
I hear you on the averages but averages is just that, average Joe. It is simply a way to categorize groups thru each average likeness. Its simply a way to divide. There are better categories to average on besides skin color.
The trait you speak of I’ve read a little over but it all goes back to the isolation from Babel. Asians with almond eyes is said to come from a tendon in the eye that in Asians does not break forming the almond eye. Just a trait that was isolated and breed into that group while breed out of the other isolated groups. Make sense?
When you get time explain to Ashes why Jews of today look more Russian (Japheth) then Arab (Shem). We are all mixed if we look at it unbiasedly.
Hope your days good man. I’ll check back later.
Report Post »johnboston
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:14pm@bluegoldnationdotcom
Because no matter how you slice it, any religion that states you’re flawed at birth and will go to hell simply because of whom you are sexually attracted to, which is not a choice, is inherently evil and hate-filled. You can try to hide it behind some smoke-screen of love but when you lie to homosexuals that they can “pray the gay away” that is evil at its very core and pure hatred.
Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways.
Report Post »Bluegrasstide
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 5:29pm@ASHESTOASHES
I am not sure what website you are referencing in your assumptions about the marriage of Moses to the daughter of Reul, who was named Zipporah. This is discussed in the latter part of Exodus 2. There is evidence that they were of a different “tribe” because they referred to Moses as an Egyptian. The marriage produced Gershom, named because “I have been a stranger in a foreign land. Reul’s family were Midianites of Northern Africa. The difference of either appearance or culture was again evident in Numbers 12 as “Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married…” I just do not think that God’s Word can be any more clear than that. The only reason given for the conflict in Numbers 12 was because he married an Ethiopian woman.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:25pm@ TECHENGINEER11: you wrote: “Well if skin color doesn’t matter you should be able to point out a White culture that has embraced demon worship on such a level?”
ALL RACES (including caucasians) embraced demon worship. From the monolithic Stonehenge in England and the pagan Picts, to the pantheon of gods of the Romans and Greeks, to the bloodthirsty gods of the Mayans, and the millions of gods of India, etc etc etc ALL RACES have been mired in demon worship.
ONLY CHRISTIANITY has liberated the non-Jewish peoples from their paganism, anamism, and polytheism. (read the sermon Paul preached in Acts 17)
Don’t you find it ironic that now a group claiming to be “Christian” is now openly espousing racism? As I mentioned in an earlier post – God made humanity ONE race from Adam & Eve. and again from ONE family (Noah).
FALLEN MAN has separated into liguistic and cultural groups that we now term “race” – but IN CHRIST we become “new creatures”. (see my earlier post for references)
Seems like you are confused about both history and New Testament teachings.
Racist teachings of any sort are purely Anti-Christ. Which is why Liberals, Nazis, and Big Government totalitarians are totally consumed with it.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:52pm@Youngblood… Mohammed Ali was a mooslum, he wouldn’t go to the church, anyway. Of course he was against inter-racial marriage.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:15pm@BLUEGRASSTIDE Here’s the website that you requested..
Report Post »http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Moses'Wife.htm
ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:25pm4TRUTH2CALL You are just adorable…is that you Archie?
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:48pmYo Ashes:
Report Post »Not following you’re last post… please explain…Who is Archie?
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:54pm@4truth2all
You can interject into any conversation I am having. I agree 100%, it’s all about the inside, not the outside. Didn’t Paul say just that… The sin part I‘m not so sure on but I was thinking the son wasn’t held responsible for the fathers sin. I could be wrong. Many have a rude awakening if they think hating a person by skin color is of God. Stay safe and keep up the good fight.
@BlueGrassTide
If you go to the home page of the site Ashes listed and then look under Willie Martin topics the first one is about White/Blacks and gives about 50 reasons “blacks” should be considered “animals”. Same thing they said about Natives here and the same thing the Germans said about the Jews. The site is clearly a racist site so just heads up. Have a great night.
Report Post »Jomil48
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:58pmThey are welcome at our church as well, I won’t judge the church for doing that, God will judge them. I can’t understand why this story would be put on the blaze………..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:27pmOKIE That is not true..it merely stated what it was considered back then..not now..That site did not interject that theory in todays society…and you are deluding yourself if you don’t believe that blacks were subjected to that type of intolerance then just like it was decades ago here.. Of course it’s the inside that matters…and they only stated that it is wrong for either side to intermarry. it is hard on the children of both sides also. This website told how it was..was it different in our country? No …just because it was wrong doesn‘t mean it didn’t happen..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:36pm4TRUTH2ALL Hi TRUTH..You may be right in what you told me..I met someone who is half black and half Italilan…We had both attended the same conference and I kept bugging him because he was Jewish Rabbi wearing a Yamulke or whatever they are and I bugged him at every break.( I thought he was a black Jewish Rabbi) I kept handing him scripture and it turned out that he was a Messianic Jew. He had your same kind of spirit….you are really cool…nice to meet you, Blessings.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:45pmRobert: My guess from your views on race is that the race you are most closely associated with is the “Traileroids”. Just because you can have children with your sisters does not mean you should. You are right about one thing I do believe at some point in the not to distant future we will have a one world government however it will be ruled by our lord and savior Jesus Christ. Don’t worry though your going to be “Raptured” by fire before that happens. There are good people in every race but bigots like yourself are so filled with hate you wont see it until your burning in hell and a black man reaches down to pull you out.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:40pm@Ashes
What is the point of this page Ashes?
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/101%20Facts%20About%20Blacks%20A.htm
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:51pmOKIE..I tried that page twice and it said that that page could not be found..sorry.
Report Post »FaithFamilyandFriends
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:52pmWhat a disgrace. I wonder if this church is connected to westboro?
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:06pmYo Ashes:
I tell you nothing, any truth I have spoken is God’s truth: anytime I speak that I will always be correct. Scripture says that deep calls to deep… search you own heart and DO NOT be lax or forgiving;
be brutally honest with yourself. David asked God that should he find any sin in him to please remove it. I pray this often. Thankyou for your kind words. It is good to speak with a kind person… a ruby in the rock. My apologies if I lumped you in with the rest of us guys……blessings
“It is to the glory of God to conceal a matter,
it is the glory of kings to search that matter out.”
You got questions, God’s got answers…. He does not hide them from those that look… you are royalty, live like it… I encourage you….peace!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:08pm@Ashes
Try again.
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/101%20Facts%20About%20Blacks%20%5BA%5D.htm
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:28pm@Ashes
http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/
Scroll down to 101 facts about blacks. I cannot support this. The page you cited about “Moses wife” is wrong as well. Ham is not associated as “white” and is based on racist thoughts as well. I can’t support that either. Peace out.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:12amTH30PH1LUS: Here’s a little special for you.. I’m sure you read this and applaud.. Probably gives you a thrill or two to watch white people treated in this manner… If they’d only target the self-hating whites such as yourself then I’d say full speed ahead.. Get’em all. Unfortunately they take out some of the best among us.
http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/four-granted-new-trials-racially-motivated-rape-torture-murders
Report Post »one-icon
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:45amLooks like a spirit of anti-Christ.
Report Post »bradley10
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 1:42amThis church by majority of the world will not be consider much of a Christianity. This racist church makes Baptist, Christians & state of Kentucky look bad. Their no excuse for these racists acts. Church having a vote on who can attend and participate based on looks? How any of you people feel if this couple was one of your family members, sisters, brothers, father or mother treated this way? Newspapers in the UK and all around the world is reporting on this racist 40 member church. It‘s can be said those church members didn’t stand up for Jesus.
Only 6 people out of 40 members stood up to this very evil preacher?
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 2:04am@ TECHENGINEER11: you wrote : “Here’s a little special for you.. I’m sure you read this and applaud.. Probably gives you a thrill or two to watch white people treated in this manner… If they’d only target the self-hating whites such as yourself then I’d say full speed ahead.. Get’em all. Unfortunately they take out some of the best among us.”
1. In an earlier post you had asked for historical evidence that whites were demon worshipping pagans. I simply gave you historical examples, as well as plenty of Scriptural references.
Report Post »2. I made no personal attack on you – I just cited human history as well as religious history.
3. You make several nasty personal comments here. Why?
4. What makes you think I would applaud the rape and murder of any person?
5. What makes you think I’m a “self-hating” white person?
6. According to your remarks, you hope that I (and others you seem to lump me in with) am violently raped and murdered – please explain how that is compatible with godly character or Christian faith? Are you a Christian?
7. I think America should be English-only official language, stop the voting and teaching in other languages, stop illegal immigration, and end the multi-culturalism. America was intended to a “melting pot” but today no one is “melting” anymore. I think it’s possible to understand these concepts and yet NOT be a racist or filled with hatred as you seem to be in these posts. Please ask for grace from God to help you, and rid
BULLDOG98
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 4:01am@ Ndbbm
I missed the part where it identified them as mouth breathers, besides I know plenty of people who breathe through their nose that think this way.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 9:34amTH30PH1LUS: Let’s see what the censors allow.
1. No society, culture, or race is without its faults or problems but some are still mired in the mud and by all appearances they will always remain that way. Btw, I said “still” practicing demon worship and I don’t think that there are any. You go on to site Christianity as the deliverer of all people. While I will not down play the more positive role Christianity has played in the European’s advancement let’s not lose site of the fact that many were already practicing and experimenting with various forms of democracies and republics long before Christ came along. Yet I think that if you are honest you will be hard pressed to find just one African democracy or republic which you’d consider residing in to this day. Why?
2. Your tone was condescending throughout your post and then you proceed to insinuate that I’m a Nazi or Statist because I prefer segregation and that my heart is not right with God.
3. See above.
4. Each and every year since the passage of the Civil Rights legislation thousands and multiple thousands of my people have been raped robbed or murdered by people of African descent. The statistics are extremely alarming; however, without FOX, Beck or anyone on Neo-Con talk radio to tell us about them they go unreported and the vicious cycle continues. You’re educated. Ignorance is no excuse. You consent to these actions and obviously approve of them because you promote more of it.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 10:39amTH30PH1LUS:
5. See 4.
6. As I stated as a result of the ignorance of people like you upwards to 10 thousand of my people are the recipients of some form of violent crime at the hands of these animals. Many are unassuming women and children who have been brainwashed into seeing the best in everyone and they are oftentimes violently murdered in the most horrific ways. Since the violence will continue and it will only get worse, if I had to choose between someone that is innocent and unassuming being attacked vs someone like you who condones and promotes it then obviously…
7. America was not initially intended to be a melting pot. If you understood our past immigration policy you’d understand that. Even Adolf admired our immigration policy and wanted to emulate it in Germany. The following link would be most useful to you and many others. It’s paramount to understand the forces behind those promoting open-borders.
http://youtu.be/7nBzJdQB5r4
So are we all the same? No difference between the races? Can you really argue that point? Is there anyone that can honestly say that there are no differences or that they are so small as to be trivial? And you are willing to condemn our ancestors of thousands of years for desiring and insisting upon a segregated society? If it is such a trivial or unimportant issue then why did God insist on the Israelites being segregated? Why not mix them all up? There’s no difference right?
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 11:55am@ TECHENGINEER11
1. You weren’t asking earlier whether there was a “society without problems”. You were publicly questioning whether ANY “white” society had ever been involved with demon worship. History is clear. ALL cultures (ethinic groups) regardless of skin color were steeped in witchcraft, sorcery, necromancy, demon worship, idol worship, human sacrifice, voodoo, etc etc etc. I have personally been to Stonehenge where thousands of years ago white Europeans practiced pagan cult rituals even as God Almighty was calling Abraham to leave Ur and “go to a land that I will show you”. I have also been to blood ritual sites of the pagan Roman Empire which are dotted all throughout Europe.
Yes, it was CHRISTIANITY and the message of the Gospel ALONE which has had the power to transform human hearts and thus human societies.
YOU WROTE: “…many were already practicing and experimenting with various forms of democracies and republics long before Christ came along.”
So what? The Greeks had a pantheon of incestuous bloodthirsty psychotic “gods” as well as divination and every other practice which God Almighty forbade His followers to dabble in. The Romans were no better – even with their politics. The Western Europeans at the time were little more than tribal groups also steeped in spiritism, nature worship, druids, etc etc.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:03pm@ TECHENGINEER (con’t)
IF you actually believe in Christ, then you know that the Kingdom of God is neither a Republic NOR a Democracy – it is a Theocratic Monarchy. You believe that “every knee will bow and tongue confess”. You believe that all governments (including our own) will melt away like the snow in Spring when Messiah returns.
Perhaps we can agree that in our current fallen, broken, crazy world – the American Constitutional Republic IS the best form of government ever devised by men.
But only the Gospel holds the power to radically change the human mind, sould and heart. The Founders recognized this – and by the light of the Gospel they were inspired to create our Constitution.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:20pm@ TECHENGINEER11 : you wrote: “2. Your tone was condescending throughout your post and then you proceed to insinuate that I’m a Nazi or Statist because I prefer segregation and that my heart is not right with God.”
a) impossible to interpret tone over the internet.
Report Post »b) I never insinuated that you were a Nazi or a Statist. How would I know that you “prefer segregation”? I merely observed that Liberals, Nazis, and Statists are the sort that are always making race a central issue. Dr. King spoke rightly when he said that individuals should be judged by the content of their character and NOT the color of their skin.
c) If you wish for people to be raped and murdered – then your heart is not right with God. That’s not insinuation, that’s just a fact.
TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:26pm@ TECHENGINEER11: you wrote: “…thousands of my people have been raped robbed or murdered by people of African descent.”
1. Do you think people commit crimes BECAUSE they have a darker skin pigmentation? BECAUSE their ancestry hails from the African Continent? (newsflash – ALL humanity hails from somewhere in the African Continent) OR is it possible that people commit crimes because their hearts are filled with evil?
Report Post »2. The posted story is NOT about rape and crimes, but two believers in Christ who wish to be married.
TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:30pm@ TECHENGINEER11: you wrote“ ”if I had to choose between someone that is innocent and unassuming being attacked vs someone like you who condones and promotes it [violence] then obviously…”
WHAT?? Where did I condone or promote violence? Show me. TECH, you’re lying.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:34pm@ TECHENGINEER11: you wrote: “If it is such a trivial or unimportant issue then why did God insist on the Israelites being segregated? Why not mix them all up? There’s no difference right?”
That’s EASY to answer: because God was bringing the Messiah into the world through the Jewish people. It was important for Him to show mankind that He keeps His promises. Even the Old Testament shows that non-Jewish people were allowed to integrate into the Jewish religion and culture if they so chose.
You err because you do not know the Scriptures.
Report Post »TimelessJewel
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 3:01pmIt is fair that the Blaze is reporting this story to show that bigotry does still exist on the right. The left will get hold of this and have a field day with it. It is also a glaring example of how there are many completely NON Christian “christian” Churches. This church, just like the Westboro Baptist Church gives all TRUE Christians a bad name. Until color is only a descriptive term in any discussion involving race like Blonde or Red hair are, we will be forever plagued with bigotry of this kind. This man and woman are true Christians looking at what is in each others’ heart first–well beyond the mere color of skin.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:37pmIs this another Single Family stocked Church?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:49pmApparently not, as the girl’s father is against their decision to do this as well. Likely a small town with a lot of closed minds and hearts. You can’t force people to be decent; you just need to accept some of them won’t be.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:29pmBirds of a feather stick together…every once in a while you find a buzzard mating with an eagles…It’s not the norm.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:10amIf I was this girls father,I would be taking a Black belt across her white behind…How can someone call themselves a conservative,and not care about conserving their race…And how do you conserve your country by being apathetic to every corrosive thing that comes along.
Report Post »robert
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:09amLocked
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:49pm
“Apparently not, as the girl’s father is against their decision to do this as well. Likely a small town with a lot of closed minds and hearts. You can’t force people to be decent; you just need to accept some of them won’t be.”
Why can’t a person prefer to intermarry with his own kind be “decent?” Every normal person at birth is imbeded with a desire to continue his species and that desire is the same throughout the entire animal kingdom. It’s very natural. Only those who have been manipulated into feeling morally superior can consider somebody “indecent” for having an opposing view.
In spite of what I said let me just mention that I don‘t give a rat’s asss who marries who although I think it’s a really bad idea for a number of reasons, one of which is it gives any kids the couple might have a lot of problems with identity throughout their lives, which studies have shown leads to much angst resulting in a turn to alcohol, drugs and crime. Just look at how Obama describes his inner turmoil for years over his confusion in his book.
It’s true also that if the kid needs a bone marrow transplant later in life usual family members cannot donate any, because it would be incompatible and could not be done without killing the patient. There would be no where else to go to get it.
People who intermarry are selfish and have little regard for the emotional welfare of their children.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:16amBuzzards and eagles ??? Sounds like a rubberband story!
Report Post »Bill in Texas
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:32amGood point, Probably just like the Westboro Baptist Church.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 1:52pm@Robert
“Why can’t a person prefer to intermarry with his own kind be “decent?””
I never said they can’t. However, banning an interracial couple from participating in church services goes beyond preference and into prejudiced action. Do you find discrimination in church services based only on skin color being “decent”, Robert?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 1:55pm@Robert
Also:
“In spite of what I said let me just mention that I don‘t give a rat’s asss who marries…
People who intermarry are selfish and have little regard for the emotional welfare of their children.”
Apparently you do give a rat’s booty about it, as you consider anyone who intermarries to be selfish and uncaring parents who aspire to have emotional devastated children.
Report Post »robert
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:05pmLocked:
Robert: “Why can’t a person prefer to intermarry with his own kind be “decent?””
Locked: “I never said they can’t.”
Robert: You most certainly did, old boy: ““Apparently not, as the girl’s father is against their decision to do this as well. Likely a small town with a lot of closed minds and hearts. You can’t force people to be decent; you just need to accept some of them won’t be.”
Robert: You’re so thoroughly brainwashed into a multiracial PC point of view wherein you have been conditioned to feel morally superior by supporting a concept that is against the very laws of nature you are totally unable to reason in a coherent manner. Your objectivity is nil on the subject.
Locked: “However, banning an interracial couple from participating in church services goes beyond preference and into prejudiced action.”
Robert: Sorry, guy, but “prejudice” has nothing to do with obeying the instincts a person is born with to preserve his species. It’s very natural.
Locked: ” Do you find discrimination in church services based only on skin color being “decent”, Robert?”
Robert: You see here you‘re reiterating your charge of indecency that you’re trying to deny. And, don’t try to lay your brainwashed concept on me as if “discrimination” in self-survival is “indecent,” because you’ve been brainwashed into believing it is.
Were you aware that surveys show the vast, vast majority of people
Report Post »Politijack
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:36pmWay to be a “Free Will” congregation!
The members that voted against this ruling need to spend their Sunday`s holding a service just outside the property line of that building.Wonder how many in the community would join them…
As a Christian nation we talk alot about how the moderate main stream Muslims need to be standing up to the extreemists in their congregations…theres no better way to put that message accross then showing my example.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:42pmFree will,doesn’t mean,free from consequence
Report Post »UrbanCombatSurvivor
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:51pm@Shylow:
Exactly. Well said.
Report Post »inesv
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:36pmWell Well if they really beleive the GOD of Abraham I ssac and Jacob and Moses and Jesus, this church leader would be in serious trouble. In the old covenent Moses married outside his race and was questioned by Aaron and Mirian. GOD punished Mirian with leprosy to show that GOD was in control. Then in the New Covenent you have Paul having to baptize a Gentile Italian that GOD Himself told Paul not to considerwhat GOD has made clean as unclean. GOD is the CREATOR of all of us. Shame on this so called church leadership!!!! READ THE BIBLE PEOPLE!!!!!!
Report Post »And Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman” (Num. 12.1-14
Mimi24
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:44pmGood comment.
Report Post »Todd P
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:54pmSpot on! They will face judgment someday…
Report Post »KingJames1611
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:40pmWhat do you make of the fact God called all the Levites to separate themselves from the children of Israel? Or what about how The LORD decided to segregate all twelve tribes throughout the camp? Seems to me that God didn’t have a problem with segregation at all. I mean if the Jews had accepted Christ, all us Gentiles would be doomed for hell separated from God forever. Remember Moses made plenty mistakes like when he murdered the Egyptian, and smote the rock twice, but would you condone murder and disobedience to God just because Moses did it? No way, man. You can‘t say that just because Moses’ second wife of half-Hamitic offspring (“Cushan” mixed with “Midian”) is a good example of what God desires. Midianites were Ishmalites, and we all know about who Ishmael is, and what he is the father of, Muslims. Miriam and Aaron spoke against the servant of The LORD, and that’s what kindled His anger, not the fact you think they were “racist” and God was teaching a lesson in civility.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:51amMixing races is the same thing as building The Tower of Babble…God made different races to resemble rocks not bricks…all this mixing will result in one race of Nimrods
Report Post »Kathleen
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:06amSpot on. I cannot believe that in this day and age there are still Neanderthals out there that believe in preserving skin pigment color. Grow a friggin’ brain. It’s just skin color. It doesn’t dictate the person you are.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 8:55amGod split apart Israel because of Solomon taking foreign wives…Noah warned of mixing with fallen angels…Joshua warned of mixing with the natives…Ezra split-up intermariages…
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:02pmYo Shylow:
Report Post »Had nothing to do with skin color… problem is not skin color… problem is your heart.
Salamander
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:36pmHmmm, I don’t recall the Bible saying anything prohibiting Marriage between a (Black) man and a (White) woman? But, it seems to be okay for NewRel (New Religion) to re-define Marriage between a (fill in the blank) and a (fill in the blank) in whatever sexual preference warms your heart today! I have no problem with gay couples, but I have a problem with gay marriage–I just can’t wrap my mind around it! If anything goes, then what’s so special about it? God will bless this couple and ALL their offspring! May your faith and love see you through whatever rough times may lay ahead! And, maybe you need to find a better place to worship!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:46pmFunny but the same arguments made against interracial marriage are being made by bigots like yourself against same-sex marriage.
“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he
placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his
arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he
separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”
(Source: Virginia trial judge upholding conviction of Mildred and Richard
Loving for interracial marriage, quoted in Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 3
(1967))
“[S]uch laws [banning interracial marriage] have been in effect in this
country since before our national independence and in this state since our first
legislative session. They have never been declared unconstitutional by
any court in the land although frequently they have been under attack. It is
difficult to see why such laws, valid when enacted and constitutionally
enforceable in this state for nearly one hundred years and elsewhere for a
much longer period of time, are now unconstitutional under the same
constitution.”
(Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 35 (Shenk, J. dissenting))
Allowing interracial marriages “necessarily involves the degradation” of
Report Post »conventional marriage, an institution that “deserves admiration rather than
execration.”
(Source: A U.S. representative from Georgia quoted in Eric Zorn, Chicago
Tribune, May 19, 1996)
Obama>Jesus
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:16pmWhat if the marriage wasn’t a religious one, or at least not one of your religion. What about Atheists getting married? What if they were married by the state?
Report Post »arx
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:28pmEncinom are you really attempting to compare homos desire for ‘marriage’ to a mixed race couple’s marriage? Sorry butty boy, marriage is God‘s blessing on one man and one woman’s commitment to each other…regardless of how many twisted minds think otherwise. Have a Merry Christmas!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:11pm@arx
Report Post »So, acccording to your logic atheist can’t get married (no belief in God), what about buddists and hindus? Are only christians allowed to get married? Think for once in your life instead of following.
Chuck Stein
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:13pmI remember a black guy who I served with in the Navy. He would get TOTALLY bent out of shape when he heard comments like those made by ENCINOM. Sort of like Jews getting upset when the taking of whales (a century ago) is compared with the Holocaust.
Report Post »HippoNips
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:43pmEnicom
There is no such thing as a marriage of “same sex” There is no such thing as “rights” garnered from your sexual desires……..it’s totally idiotic
Report Post »Homosexuality is not a race, you are not born that way, It’s a developed symptom with a an array of mental/emotional disorders as the cause.
EqualJustice
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 8:18amWRONG.. different reason for this type of UNION.. they can NOT procreate and the species will DIE OFF if veryone is indoctrinated into a same sex relationship? BIG difference. Maybe we will end up on the ENDANGERED SPECIES list by PETA, along with other ANIMALS? BTW why do you LIVE on this board? I can go away for several days, come back and you have posted on EVERY thread? GET A LIFE!!!!!
Report Post »Thats_right
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:34pmI am not sure what the issue is here? We dont own the church so who are we to say who they let in or not?
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:42pmWe’re concerned because, unlike so called Moderate Muslims, we Baptists will call out a church for doing something not right. Racism is NOT right. And Freewill Baptist is different than Southern Baptist (of which I am).
Report Post »KangarooJack
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:47pmIn a nutshell…You Got It!!! Oh, the “PC” people are just up in arms over this one!
Report Post »Fact is, if you disagree-DON’T GO TO THAT CHURCH. Let them wallow in their own stew. Yet, so many will condemn this WITHOUT thinking about the ramifications of REGULATING Church Doctrine. and down the slope we slide.
Mimi24
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:47pmI thought it was supposed to be God’s house.
Report Post »Thats_right
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:07pmI am just tired of the double standards.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:04pmTrue, but we can send a message to the church that if they do this, we will refuse to join. They don‘t have to change and we don’t have to tolerate it. If they truly believe this is right they can go right ahead; just don’t expect the rest of us to go along with it.
Report Post »Jessff00
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:33pmIts funny how so called open minded people can accept anything and anyone except close minded people…..kinda ironic dontcha think,,,,,,THE GREAT AMERICAN EXPERIMENT OF FREE MEN GOVERNING THEMSELVES……..FREEDOM!!! you do what you do and I do what I do…..GET IT!!
Report Post »PATRIOTGRUNT
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:32pmPersonaly I don’t agree with Interracial Marriage . However if some one wants to do it , more power to you . These church people are morons , and not very Christian like.I don’t have any issues with the several Interracial Couples at our church. To each his own.
Report Post »Robert999
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:08pmI agree. In my opinion, miscegenation is wrong and should not be discouraged. But there should not be any laws or rules against it. Instead of refusing to allow the couple to be members but instead explain to them why miscegenation is wrong and try to convince them to end the relationship.
Report Post »Robert999
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:17pmMy reply should read that miscegenation should not be ENCOURAGED.
Report Post »ramburner
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:55pmI believe not allowing miscegenation is a racist belief. If people are in love, no matter their race, then since they are humans, they have the right to marry and procreate. God does not limit us, so man should not limit us. This church is a racist church and should be condemned by anyone who believes in the Bible and Jesus as their Savior.
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:30pmThis is simply an example of the exercise of freedom association; much like the way the Democrat Party chooses not to associate with anyone intelligent.
Report Post »Obama>Jesus
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:19pmExcuse me, but I believe you meant to say “Republican Party.”
Report Post »arx
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:32pmO>J=Godless moron
Report Post »ReallyKewlUserNameThatSoundsImportant
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 3:55pmSeriously? I cant believe either one you said that LOL!
Report Post »JudeBrando
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:30pmI have a dream
A not black woman for every black man.
Black women and children?
Who gives a damn?
Give ‘em to Uncle Sam.
I have a dream.
Was that it?
Report Post »JQCitizen
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:27pmThis is clearly a case of putting the traditions of man above the Word of God, which says when there are two or more gathered in Jesus name, he is there in the midst of them. If Jesus accepts them, then how can we put stipulations on what part of the church’s functions they share in? I’ve heard people try to tell me how interracial marriage is unscriptural, but they always seem to be twisting the scripture to make it agree with their opinion.
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:37pmThat’s what people do! Which is why we need God!
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:40pm@jqcitizen
“but they always seem to be twisting the scripture to make it agree with their opinion”.
That’s why you have the Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormons, Lutherans, Church Of Faith, Church of Long Hair, Church of Pot Smoking……..because everyone twist the scripture. Maybe the Jesus God should not have been so ambiguous.
Report Post »Bluegrasstide
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:20pmIt is impossible to prove that interracial marriage is forbidden by scripture. Exodus speaks of not taking wives outside of your tribe-however skin color was never mentioned, only the fact that other tribes were worshiping false gods. Moses married an Midianite from a different tribe. This was condemned by Mirian and Aaron, which made God angry.
The appalling aspect in all of this is that you can find prejudice anywhere, even in God’s house. Let’s just say that I am very familiar with this area of the country. By no means is this a snapshot of the community in question. However, I have a feeling that our area will be doing a lot of damage control and reputation repair in the future. The most unfortunate part of the whole story is the people who need Christ, but have been turned off by this fiasco.
I must say that it was quite the irony to watch Glenn’s show yesterday and see the quote from Bonhoeffer. God made sure that I wrote that quote down. Today I know why He did. If you are a Christian, I ask that you join me in praying for this community, this church, and the two young people who are just trying to praise God’s holy name.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:23amGod started speaking to me when I was 23 years old…I am now 35…There is nothing more corrosive to soceity than interacial dating and marriage…
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 12:10pmYo Skylow:
Report Post »God is not doing the speaking if it contradicts His Word. We are to test the spirits… please do this. You make the bible suit you… you are to suit the bible… please do this also. If not; it ain’t from God…. no condeming here.
louise
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 9:00amJQ…what a great post.
The word of God is spiritual in nature. Often people forget this. They will read scripture and immediately bring it down to the level of the flesh (external). This article is a glaring example of that. The members of this church are looking at the external things about this Christian couple. The color of their skin. Always ask yourself what God looks at. Does He look at the condition of the heart, Internal; the spiritual), or does he look at the flesh (the natural; external)?
I asked God why does mankind tend to focus on this white/black race thing? The Holy Spirit guided me back to the beginning. The book of Genesis. Here God called the light “good”. Man took this spiritual truth and brought it down to the level of the flesh. White is ‘light skin’. Black is ‘dark skin’. Instead of keeping the spiritual truth God has given us regarding light and darkness, man has corrupted that truth and brought it down to the level of the flesh.
Someone may ask,”Why do I not understand what God is telling me in His word?”
Report Post »~~A natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraise all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man.~~ 1Corinthians 2:14,15
You must be born again from above.
LuckFiberals
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:27pmso why r people who believe in god and jesus leaving the churches? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:05amThey are getting out before PC pastors start marrying people to garbage dumpsters and snow shovels
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:26pmRacists should not be allowed to breath earth’s oxygen. I loathe racists. Wise up, Kentucky.
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:38pmGee I wish I could hate and feel justified in hating.
Report Post »ReallyKewlUserNameThatSoundsImportant
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 3:22pmI can! I hate racism and HISTORY in this country and so many others are my JUSTIFICATION! Racists should NOT breath our OXYGEN! Move…off the planet! :D Maybe you can catch the next star ride, like the others in your racist movement ;)
Report Post »RedheadTexan
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:26pmI think it is great that they made this decision. I always appreciate it when jackasses make themselves obvious so I know who to avoid.
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:35pmYou have to love a Texan. They tell it like it is. : )
Report Post »TheAntiStatist
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:44pmAMEN! Texan, couldn’t have said it better.
Report Post »MiloArk
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:36amRacism has often made me wonder why Glenn is still a Mormon, because I like Glenn, but I don’t like this: http://saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/mormonism/african-americans-and-the-mormon-church.
Report Post »ReallyKewlUserNameThatSoundsImportant
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 3:19pmLOL! Yes you do (gotta love a Texan)! I hope they fall of the face of the earth or at least get some horrible social disease that prevents their members from poisoning the gene pool further! God Bless this couple! Do not let the lack of true faith in this congregation poison your love for one another!
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:25pmI don’t see anything wrong with this couple. They are married, not living together. Playing the piano and singing worship music sounds like a good thing to me. Anyway, if they are looking only for so called perfect members the congregation is going to be mighty thin. Doubt if God feels welcome in this church. He did create all races for his purpose.
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:31pmSorry, I misread. I see that he is her fiancé . I still don‘t see why the church wouldn’t want them as members.
Report Post »TikeSissy
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:42pmMakes you wonder if this so called pastor ever read the story of Moses sister who made a derogatory remark about Moses wife, who just happened to be black..
Report Post »Pastor of the FREEWILL BAPTIST CHURCH????? Unless your black of course.
hidden_lion
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:25pmthese baptist churches are not Christian. Heretics for sure
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:31pmLOL, not Christian? Take it from a boy of the dixie South, they are the most Christian, every other church is Christian Lite. All churchs are BS, and exist only for the money. Your religion, and church, what ever it is, is no better than the most backward Baptist church in Ala
Report Post »neiman1
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:24pmSome people will never change. They can call themselves whatever they wish but most Christians would not consider this a Christian view or act
Report Post »Mr_Drayton
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 6:42amWell said.
Report Post »Married to a Liberal HELP
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:24pmThis is so sad that a church would do such a disgusting thing. I wish this happy couple all the best in life and may they never meet up with people like this again!
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:42pmAgreed. She took her fiancé to church, which should be a good way to build a strong relationship and Christ centered family. Nice way to make him feel welcome church And we wonder why non-believers don’t want what we have?
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:24pmI suppose it’s technically the right of any private organization to determine its own rules…But If I’m ever in Guldare Kentucky on a Sunday, I’ll at least know where probably the last 38 remaining racists are meeting…On what grounds people? On what grounds?
Report Post »neocon1
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:31pmgrounds?
Report Post »FREEDOM, and sick of the plague.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:02pmI’ll grant you the freedom, even though they’re using their freedom to undermine and restrict it for themselves. But as for the plague: you’ve just done exactly what they do: unsubstantiated, uncorroborated, unproven naked bias based on negative emotion and not a lick of truth or even common sense. Prove me wrong if you can.
Report Post »I’m seriously interested in how they doctrinally argue against interracial marriage. I haven’t yet seen a biblical explanation for that attitude that holds water.
neocon1
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:18pmthe Black plague go to the US dept of justice and do murde, rape, theft etc etc etc etc by race and se who is HUGELY over represented.
when was the last time a white mob looted and burned a US city?
Report Post »lets do a count white destroyed citys?
BLACK destroyed citys?
start in 1958 to present. we will be waiting.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:47pmEver hear of Nauvoo? You don’t talk to much black folk OR white Mormon folk do you? You’re historically inaccurate even before you get to your complete lack of logic. Criminality is behavior, not an intrinsic quality by race, or else you’d have no way to explain the existence of ANY criminality by whites. Destruction of cities happens because people act on false beliefs. Black people can change their beliefs just as easily as whites can. I know a few who have.
Report Post »Even YOU can, my misled racist brother. A little openness to actual evidence and some honesty and you too can turn out all right.
arx
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:04pmNeocon the statistics are hidden by the DOJ, and white crime rates are lumped in with hispanic to bring down the one and up the other.
Happy said “Criminality is behavior, not an intrinsic quality by race”…I truly wish you were right, but anyone with eyes and a brain has to wonder. You should really review “The Color of Crime”…if you really seek proof. Or just turn on 6 oclock news once in a while.
Report Post »katiefrankie
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 2:59amI have to agree with Happystretchedthin on this one. Just read anything on the history of Nauvoo, IL. Race has been the scapegoat every time in the history of America – it was the Native Americans, the Catholics, the Irish, the Jews, the Southern and Eastern Europeans, the blacks, the Asians, hispanics, etc. Or in Nauvoo, it became the founders of the city – the Mormons. Gradually, certain groups have become accepted or just blended into society enough that they cease to be maligned, and we “upstanding citizens” move on to a new scapegoat, but the story doesn’t change – just our target.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:23pmNot good.
Report Post »endgamer
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:22pmWhats next ” A good ol’ fashion lychin?” This isn’t what people of character do.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:27pmProbably violence by those that don’t think they have the right to their opinions, liberals are some violent disgusting freedom hating fools.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:28pmIt‘s no wonder I’m not, nor have ever wanted to be a Baptist. They are so narrow minded.
Know why baptists never make love standing up? They might get accused of dancing!
Report Post »neocon1
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:34pmmaybe they watch the first 48, cops, nci, EVERY reality show showing the murder, mayhem, beatings, lootings, rape, drugs, anarchy brought by 12% of the population and say keep it in NYC and chicago mickyD’s not in our Church.
Report Post »qzak491
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:09pmONESHINER
I am sure the Baptist are glad you don’t want to be one, they probably wouldn’t want you. Would you rather be a Catholic idolitar? We all have our faults. Let those without sin cast the first stone, and the road to heaven is straight and NARROW.
Report Post »qzak491
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:24pmThe Baptist are probably glad you wouldn’t be one of them, they don’t want you to. Would you rather be a Catholic idolitar. No one is perfect, if we had been JESUS wouldn’t have had to die to save us. Ye who are without sin cast the first stone. The road to heaven is straight and NARROW.
Report Post »goodone121
Posted on December 1, 2011 at 7:32pm@QZak491, “Catholic [Idolater]“?! Hey, you don’t see me calling Protestants “Cultists”, so don’t disparage my denomination! You would also be defensive if I did, so leave discussion on the merits.
Report Post »ShotgunB
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 5:29amGoodone121- Remember that the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus started, it is not a denomination. Denominations began with the so called reformation of the 16th century. It was not a reformation, but a deformation. Before the “Great Schism” of the Eastern Orthodox, the Church (Catholic) was one; just as Jesus demanded. Look at the fruit of the “reformation”; over 30,000 denominations!
PAX
Report Post »ReallyKewlUserNameThatSoundsImportant
Posted on December 2, 2011 at 3:08pmqzak491 96% of practicing Catholics: WORK, DO NOT COLLECT ANY FORM OF WELFARE, and DO NOT HAVE A FELONY in this country… ermm lets compare that to Baptist shall we? oh yea..you wouldnt want to do that because you are the faith that endorses that behavior with the idea of: its ok we can kill the black this one time because Jesus loves us and forgave us for our sins… please… if you want to attack the Catholics… you better sew up that thing you call a church and get your hatred under control. Sick Racist Baptist from Kentucky… I would think that you would be smarter than this. We are actually educated. You can NOT hide behind one shot gun, a church full of hicks, and an oblique name online any longer. You will get yours!
Report Post »neocon1
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:22pmGood
Report Post »try being a white man with a black arm piece in a BLACK “church”
tell how well dat works out
Salamander
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:42pmI know a lot of places where I don’t think that would be an issue at all! (Other than, perhaps, some petty jealousy–but not race based.)
Report Post »neocon1
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:07pm“some petty jealousy–but not race based.”
Uh Huh….land in Fla??
Report Post »The_Postal
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:21pmWow. That actually got me off guard. It’s the right to be ignorant racists I suppose but no one I know or that I would have anything to do with would go near that church. Which is my freedom of choice as well.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:13pmFREEDOM: To each… their own!
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