Education

Kentucky Legislature Considers Bible Curriculum for Public Schools

A bill making its way through the Kentucky legislature would add religion classes to the state’s public school curriculum.

On Tuesday, the state Senate Education Committee approved Senate Bill 56, a measure that would allow public schools to teach elective Bible classes — non-mandatory classes students could choose to enroll in.  A similar proposal was passed in the Senate last year, but later died in the House.

According to local news station WFIE, the public has mixed opinions on the matter:

“I think it would be great if it did. There‘s just so many things that are lost in our morals today and I think it’s going to give us, give the students hope and maybe change the world,” Kentucky resident Debbie Enoch says.  “There‘s a lot of parents that aren’t religious and the kids that don’t have any way of finding out about religion unless they do have it in school”…

“I don‘t think it’s good in any manner and I think it’s against the Constitution. The Supreme Court will knock it down just like they did put in 10 Commandments in all school rooms,” Kentucky resident Laura McGrew says.

Leigh Murphee says she fully supports educating our youth with bible classes, but she has some concerns.  “I think that it might open up doors that we might not expect. Where do we stop teaching different religions?” Murphee says.

McGrew says she’s fully against the bill.  “It‘s a tight tight issue it really is and I don’t think public money ought to be spent to support teaching any religion,” McGrew says.

The bill still has several hurdles in front of it; it will be considered by the full Senate next.

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  • banjarmon
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:45pm

    GO Ky…GO for GOD!!

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  • skoz14
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:42pm

    hell no religion of any kind should be far away from school… there is private school for a reason

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    • Clearheaded
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:49pm

      What is private school anymore? Just a transcript anecdote. Catholic schools have been admitting muslims for over a decade. They just haven’t changed thier core curriculum yet. Take these bastards head on. Have an open debate in the public arena. Show Islam for what it is, Teach their children about our faith and country. Why not?

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  • Clearheaded
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:42pm

    And overeducated ideologues make the rules. Parents raise children. Not schools. Preachers teach faith. Not morals.

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    • DeVain
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 6:37am

      Actually I born and raised in Ky and lived here my entire life. I lived in a smallish town where several churches were within walking distance of the school (Baptist, Methodist, Christian, Catholic). We had something every Wednesday called “moral training” where the students walked to the church of the parents choice for learning morals. It lasted about an hour. If a student didn’t go they basically had a recess period.

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  • loggs14
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:37pm

    I might not have the most liked position here, but I need to be fair as I was critical of the required Arabic BS earlier.

    To be fair, this should not be required, it should not be funded with public funds, and I also think it might be better served as a general religion class talking about history and beliefs. Saying this might irk some but I could see a class that covered multiple religions, christanity, islam, buddism, judism, etc… even atheism. Maybe have local groups teach the segments with recruiting not being the goal, even a army reserve religious officer who is crossed trained or something. It should not be public funded due to the Constitution.. Meaning we should not endorse the formal religions but to say we are pro religion in general that is fine which this country has always been look at our freedom of religion, the world needs to see how good we are with this here.

    I think part of the issues in this world is the warped way people of one group uses religion to explain why you should hate the other religions… Look at what radical islam says about jews, christians, etc… notice how in the world today how the only group killing in the name of relgion is one big group.. education on the realities could benefit everyone…instead of speculation.

    The left has some warped sense of negative rights when it comes to our constitution… I mean those nut jobs think a moment of silence is some form of forced religion…these people have NO critical thinking skills at all…

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    • bghandlcw
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:10am

      “loggs14” – I agree. Teaching students a non-mandatory class on religion is a good idea. I took those classes in college- why not take an intro to world religions in high school? I think it would add to the education system if the class looked all multiple religions, not just Christian. That would make for a worthy publicly funded subject.
      To be clear- I am talking about a class based on teaching the facts about world religions, including the Christian religion. Religion is a big part of all cultures and its stupid to think that it is a subject to ignore because kids might actually decided to follow one of those religions in the future. That would be their choice and its not for the teacher to push.
      To say that a class on religion is a bad idea is to say that a class on geography is a bad idea because they might learn where Jerusalem is and go there.

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  • thebertmanlives
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:33pm

    The last time we combined Religion and state, People burned at the stake.

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    • etetetet
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:39pm

      Huh? which state ordered the burning of witches – idiot

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    • I CHOOSE THE RED PILL MR PRESIDENT
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:18am

      Whatever dude. I took Bible Studies as a high school elective in 1982 for an easy A and to sit next to a boy I had a crush on who also took it for an easy A. I actually learned something and I seem to be alright… Haven’t burned a witch in over a week. Heck, I’m better than alright. I haven‘t nailed myself to the cross of victimology in over twenty years and don’t need the government to solve my problems.

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  • Karama
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:27pm

    Good! Bout time we got God back in our lives. Now if only we can get people to teach it with out being snide about it who will present the Bible in a fair reasonable manor.

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  • TheWord-DH077
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:26pm

    What has been, will be again. Please be afraid of the “religious” people that want to “make use religious”.

    “The time comes, that whosoever kills you will think that he does God service.” John 16:2

    “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.” Revelation 13:8

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:37am

      way to use their words against ‘em!!

      And we wonder why our children are not learning and why our science and math scores stink.

      and why we are on the fast track to 3rd world status.

      Christian Caliphates are just as bad as islamic ones.

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  • Katayno
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:26pm

    I think we should offer arabic…after 9/11 we needed translators!
    We are so unprepared when THEY know English, but we don‘t know our enemy’s language. It’s not for all but a great future career inhancement. If we keep being so mammby pammby…it may just be our secondary language in the good old U.S. A. Love you Kentucky.

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    • RIK ROK
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:41pm

      good luck on your career “inhancement”! I love patriots who can’t write in English…. (or is it “Inglish”?) Especially the ones who want to force immigrants to learn English when they themselves have a poor grasp of the language. Maybe we should be focusing on Spelling classes instead.

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  • thegrassroots
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:25pm

    This is such a nice, common sense news story. I had to read it again to make sure that I was reading what I thought I’d read. Way back when I was in the fifth grade and being politically correct had never been heard of, our teacher had a beautiful singing voice and she taught us what was then called, a ***** Spiritual, “Steal Away.” I still remember it and I love to sing it. During the Christmas season we had a manger scene in one corner of our room and we had a discussion about Christian beliefs. We had a Jewish boy in the class so we also had a minorah and talked about his beliefs and he explained them to us and answered questions. We also decorated a Christmas tree and talked about Santa and drew names and exchanged gifts. No one whined “offended,” we were all genuinely interested in discussing all of it and learning about all of it. Each class also had a turn walking thru the school and caroling — we sang everything from Silent Night to Jingle Bells. It Was Fun! Good old common sense and the learning and fun that go with that good old common sense are so sadly missing in the public schools these days. Even sadder, the kids don‘t even know about the learning and fun they’re missing.

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  • AR Libertarian
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:23pm

    Religion should be kept out of public schools. Constitutional issues aside, it opens the door to all types of questions regarding religion in school. For example,is offering the class optional or mandatory? If optional, who decides? Is it up to the superintendent to decide? school principal? parent/student petition? If mandatory, does it apply to every religion? If Hometown, KY has a graduating class of 50 with a Bible Class, and 3 students want a class on the Koran, do they have to offer it? Who pays for the extra teacher? the state? does it come out of the school’s general fund?

    If parents want their children to study the Bible, there are many private schools that would love to help you. Let’s not forget churches. Even if a child‘s parents’ aren’t religious, they can walk in to any church any time they like.

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  • thebertmanlives
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:17pm

    Separation of Religion and State, you go Founding fathers

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    • Katayno
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:27pm

      Do you ever get it right?

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    • etetetet
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:27pm

      Where do the words “Separation of Religion and State” exists – no where except in one Thomas Jefferson letter that has no legal place setting in the Constitution

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    • encinom
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:09pm

      @ETETETET

      1st Amendment, Establishment clause and the 200 years of jurispurdence surrounding the clause.

      Instead if the school district was going to teach the Koran? What about he Book of Mormon or the holy texts of Hinduism? Why just the bible, how about the Torah?

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    • scguitar
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:35am

      @ENCINOM, actually, the Torah is included in the bible. Its the first 5 books of the old testament written by Moses. So yeah, you fail!

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    • encinom
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:49am

      @scguitar

      Besides missing the point of why the Bible and not other religous texts. The Torah is written in Hebrew, while the Bible originally used ancient greek translation of the Hebrew text, additionally their are variations between the bibles used by Protestants and Catholics as both choose differnt translations of the Torah for the inclusion. Additionall, the meaning changes when you add teh Book of Malichi which acts a bridge and foretells the coming of Christ.

      Even here what bible, a catholic bible of the King James, will catholics be allowed to use their own bibles which differ? What about the Mormons, are they going to also teach the Book of Mormon in school in addition to the Old and New Testiment.

      Again, look for nuance, not the simple anwser.

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  • neverending
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:15pm

    They should try it they just might like it. It was down hill all the way once they took prayer out of school. For those who are against it would you rather have kids from those days or these days overall. There are no morals, very little if any decency, no common sense, certainly no respect for the law or anything else. Maybe if they learned the Bible in school they could come home and maybe some of it would rub off on the parents. Basically whatever the kids do today it is okay because they are just having fun – to me it is pretty sickening.

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  • jwmarietta
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:13pm

    Separation of church and state was to keep religion out of control. They didnt want to be forced a religion. but having it in schools and courthouses is not what its there for. obviously they put it in money the pledge, everything we were built on. its rediculous that we have fallen so far.

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    • thebertmanlives
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:19pm

      Yes, the right has fallen that far.

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    • whiskeybomb
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:53pm

      Not what Jefferson was referring to at all. He was reassuring a church that the right to worship and have religion anywhere to include public forums was a right given by God not the govt.

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    • Goldenyears22
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:24am

      No, separation of church and state was that the state did not adopt a particular religion to favor and tax all people to help pay for the state church. That’s what they had in England and much of Europe. That is what they did not want here.

      If they taught the Bible as an elective subject, then those who did not want to take it would not have to take that subject. They teach all religions in school but from reading my children’s books on it they always, always and always do not get Christianity right. So those who write the books haven’t the foggest idea of what Chrisitianity is about. No, we don’t want Islam taught, we don’t want Budda taught or any of those religions, But we do get them and Christianity is not given a fair chance. Once upon a time in the long ago time, the Bible was taught, and often was the only book many had to read, those were wonderful days, but things have changed in our beloved land and now only humanism is taught which is an atheistic, ungodly religion. I do think that if they had an elective course on the Bible and no one was forced to take it, only those that wanted to it would be alright. We come to a problem also that there are so many different interpretations of what people believe about certain parts of the Bible, many cults that claim they know the Bible and only they are right, I would want to be very sure that a true Christian taught my children the Bible. Kids get enough of false history taught to them, we surely don’t want a false religion taught about the Bible.

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    • RIK ROK
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:33pm

      @Goldenyears

      What is the “right form” of Cristianity? There are many different denominations and sects. Each interpret the Bible differently. The diversity of views amongst Christians is vast, just as is the case with all religions. We have some who say the world is just 6000 years old. We have some who say homosexuality is acceptable. We have some who think talking in tongues or holding venomous snakes channels the spirit of God. We have some who only attend church on Christmas and Easter and that’s their only outward practice of Religion. Who is right and who is wrong? Who decides that?

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  • Tightie Rightie
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:08pm

    As a lifelong KY resident I have to say our legislature has or is trying to do a lot of good things in this session. Also pending is an immigrant bill that would jail illegals. But like a lot of states we still have budget holes and political corruption like many other states. For instance, a bill was passed in the house today that would require interlock devices on people convicted of drunk driving. The only problem is, the bill‘s chief sponson’s brother makes and sells the devices. Another one dictates school nutrition which strokes me as just more nanny stateism.

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  • shane2813
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:04pm

    Praise the LORD and pass the Ammunition.!!!! Oh NO I said the “A” word. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.

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  • jefferson1743
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:02pm

    These LIB”S never want anything to do with the bible in schools yet they allow Islamic teaching..

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=65659

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  • pipeman32
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:01pm

    actually, this bothers me. they will end up teaching collectivism, while those of us that want Christian knowledge taught already homeschool.

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  • ares338
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:59pm

    The public schools should not teach religion. I have no problem with allowing prayer but teaching it, no!

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    • etetetet
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:05pm

      So you would be ok with muslim kids bowing down 5 times during the day (3 during the school day – maybe 4 on the timing), have their head down, on the carpet (which room will have to be made for), facing Mecca – and of course then demanding thier loud prayer over the loud speakers like in the Middle East.

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  • mhills51
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:56pm

    They are trying to get to much to fast. It will still fail. In most states the children can’t even put a group together to study religion on school grounds. Like a christian group. NOT ON SCHOOL GROUNDS!! I would start there first.

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  • pipeman32
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:48pm

    i have mixed feelings. i would rather this did not occur when the government has “preferred” religions. see Arabic being taught mandatorily.

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  • ozz
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:46pm

    It is constitutional. Any one who has studied our early history knows this. Though many will lie, and many fools will parrot those lies.

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  • Barberrj
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:42pm

    If it is optional…NO ONE should have a problem with it. Good for Kentucky1

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  • scguitar
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:41pm

    Contrary to popular belief, such a move is by all means constitutional. The media will soon be spinning this

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:14pm

      Comparitive Religion is fine.

      An education in the histories and evolution of all mankinds religions is a great idea. It’s a facinating subject. I support it 100%. As long as prayers are not conducted in the classroom nor any indoctrunations occur and ALL religions are given equal time and comparisson.

      I’m sure most will agree that using public schools as pulpits for any religion is unconstitutional. But I know many don’t. They are wrong.

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    • booger71
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:46pm

      I’m sure most will agree that using public schools as pulpits for any religion is unconstitutional

      Muslim charter schools are springing up everywhere AND THEY GET PUBLIC FUNDING

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    • 13thGenerationAmerican
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:56pm

      I am still waiting for the Scientific explanation on creationism other than God created man out of dirt. I really want the religious community to come up with a rational explanation to this theory. When you have one, I will be in the front row to hear it in detail.

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:12pm

      MrButcher
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:14pm
      …I’m sure most will agree that using public schools as pulpits for any religion is unconstitutional. But I know many don’t. They are wrong.

      —–

      You can pretty much count on anything that Mrbuchter says as either being a lie, or grossly uninformed. Actually, MrButher, America’s first public schools were not only used for pulpits, their primary purpose was to educate American children about the Bible. As a matter of fact, the first schools in Massachusetts were based on a Scottish law that established public education to prevent the efforts by the “ould deluder Satan to keepe men from the whole knowledge of the Scriptures.” Furthermore, Thomas Paine chided the French for failing to teach scientific disciplines in their public schools apart from the framework of the Bible. Not only that, back in 1800 when D.C. became our national capital, Congress voted that the Capitol building would serve as a church building and Thomas Jefferson attended church services at the Capitol every Sunday while he was President. I hardly think these people would mind if our public schools were used as pulpits, especially considering the mess you atheists have made of our country.

      I’ll pay anyone $100 if they can show me where in the First Amendment it says that there is a wall of separation of church and state, or for that matter, where the words “church,” or “state” appear in the First Amendment. I’ll pay another $100 if anyone can tell me what law Congress passed that prevents Christianity from being taught in public schools.

      First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

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    • 13thGenerationAmerican
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:30pm

      ltb

      This is the most warped thinking I have seen in my life. Get another drink, you will need one.

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:33pm

      Uhh, 13thGenerationAmerican, Darwinists believe a big explosion turned nothing into everything and that man’s ancestors were little slimeballs whose only parent was a big wet rock… and you believe that’s a more rational explanation?

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:44pm

      13thGenerationAmerican
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:30pm
      ltb
      This is the most warped thinking I have seen in my life. Get another drink, you will need one.

      —–

      Is that all you’ve got? Seriously? I present facts and you try to make a sophomoric insult. You kind of remind me a three year old whose brain gets overloaded and the only response she can spit out is, “Poopie Head!”

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    • 13thGenerationAmerican
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:03am

      Quantum Mechanics LBT

      Get your head out of your ARSE for a change of scenery. Good grief, Is America this disgustingly ignorant that we have to pander this utter freaking nonsense.

      I realize your IQ is below 100 and it’s not your fault, you were born ignorant but at the same time, realize that and leave the heavy lifting to those who are in touch.

      Being ignorant does not give you the right to anything other than being stupid. Stay the same please, I’m planning on it.

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    • Non-sequitur
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:55am

      @LTB

      “Darwinists believe a big explosion turned nothing into everything and that man’s ancestors were little slimeballs whose only parent was a big wet rock”

      No they don’t. Your knowledge of the topic is pitiful. Evolution (a theory started by Charles Darwin) has nothing to do with Abiogenesis (one of the theories about the origin of life) or the Big Bang Theory (one of the theories about the origin of the universe, also: A TV show).

      Why would anyone discuss the topic with you if you don’t even bother to learn the basics of the basics? Nobody is going discuss literature with you if you never bothered to learn the alphabet.

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    • scguitar
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:29am

      @Mr Butcher, I’m sorry but you are 100% wrong. Prayer in school is completely constitutional. Why? Because the public schools are funded by state governments, not congress. The 1st amendment only prohibits congress from establishing a national religion by law. Actually, a day after the passage of the bill of rights, congress declared a public day of prayer. Multiple states had established religious denominations as the official religion of the state. These were completely constitutional at the time and therefore still are

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    • encinom
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:52am

      Wrong again, the establishment clause of the 1st amendment applies to the states as well. It has ever since the passage of the 14th Amendment (same reason the courts are holding the state gun laws can not conflict with the 2nd amendment). School pray is still unconstitutional.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:55am

      what you fail to realise LGBT & SCguitar is that state congresses CAN NOT supercede the federal constitution.

      If the federal gov’t/congress can not establish a religion nor ban firearms nor ban speech then neither can a state govt/congress. Get it?

      LGBT obviously wants a christian caliphate in our fine secular republic and I hope all note his sinister undertones. I recently wrapped up a debate with him in which he gladly supported the genocides in the Old Testament and even wished the same on me and others. A real nice christ-like chap.

      Christians, please beware of the radical theocratic fascists in your ranks. The mentality of ignorance and hatred expressed by this man should trouble you.

      Turning our public schools into indoctrunation camps of the young is a wicked and evil idea.

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:06am

      encinom
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:52am
      Wrong again, the establishment clause of the 1st amendment applies to the states as well. It has ever since the passage of the 14th Amendment (same reason the courts are holding the state gun laws can not conflict with the 2nd amendment). School pray is still unconstitutional.

      —–

      Yeah, whatever. Congress has never passed any laws that prohibit Christianity from being taught in school, because that would violate the First Amendment. Absent any laws, Christianity can be taught in school, despite any toothless opinions by activist judges who mistakenly believe they’re part of the Legislative Branch. That’s why you’re seeing more laws like the ones in Texas and Kentucky popping up. America has tried the atheist’s way for five decades and what’s it gotten us? A society full of loud mouth morons, drug addicted teens, unwed mothers, self-serving politicians and corrupt CEOs. The Bible is making a comeback in schools, so you might as well get used to it.

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:33am

      13thGenerationAmerica, please shut up and go away.

      Non-sequitur, it’s pretty obvious you were indoctrinated in a public school and weren’t taught to think for yourself. At any rate, yes, you Darwinists believe everything magically appeared from nothing after a big explosion was set off by nobody. You also believe that little slime balls (your ancestors) magically appeared, billions of years after the earth mysteriously formed from the nothingness that exploded into everything. Perhaps, a little pebble self-exploded and turned into the first slime ball. Hey, that’s a pretty good theory – feel free to use it, because it’s better than anything you’ve got. Evolution is the refuge of the ignorant, the uninformed and the unquestioning. Fortunately, fewer and fewer people are gullible enough to believe this fairy tale, since advances in microbiology demonstrate the irreducible complexity of even the “simplest” of cells.

      …..

      “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous successive slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” — Charles Darwin

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:59am

      Mrbugger, we didn’t really have a debate, it was more like me presenting a bunch of facts and you responding with a bunch of juvenile insults. I’ve no doubt, though, that in your infantile mind, you thought you were brilliant. Anyway, no law has ever been passed by Congress that prohibits public schools from teaching Christianity. The reason no law has ever been passed is because “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof….” What part of that don’t you understand? You Liberals messed up big time by pushing Islamic curricula in public schools as a cowardly attempt to appease America’s enemies. Trust me, that double standard made a lot of people in America wake up and familiarize themselves with the Constitution. Regardless, the only ignorant hatred Americans need to worry about is from “Liberal” fascists who devote half their time to spreading lies and the other half trying to shout down the truth.

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    • FreedomFighter2006
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 11:08am

      I would like to hear about the scientific evidence on evolution… (the non-BS version please) Oh wait… There is non that’s not based on “theory” aka something that cannot be proven. It takes way more faith to believe that we came from an ameba being zappped in a pond that “evolved” into every living thing on the planet today (Wow… what a load of crap).
      vs.
      There is this think called the Bible that explains where we came from and also cannot be disproven… Hmmmmmmm… But why would anyone believe that. Couldn’t be because of the miracles that happen everyday when people are suppose to die (according to scientific theory) and are healed… But since science can’t explain it… then it didn’t happen right?

      There is 1 true God, who is our father in heaven, and his son’s name is Jesus. For all you who really want to get a non-biased view on the Bible and why it isn’t just a bunch of made-up stories. You need to read “The Case for Christ” by Lee Strobel, athiest journalist who wanted to prove his wife (who was a Christian) wrong by “scientifically proving” its a bunch of bull. And now he believes in God today. But just keep being ignorant if you want to. I just gave you details on how to and where to start fishing, but I’m not going to make you fish. Starve for all I care. : ) If you’d like to discuss this further with me my email is freedomfighter2006@gmail.com.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 11:24am

      LGBT

      I don’t support Islamic indoctrunation either. What don’t YOU understand about CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW? The Bill of Rights APPLIES TO THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT ON ALL LEVELS!! Federal, State and Local!

      Citing arcahic and ancient Scottish tenents (in old english) as justifacation for your theocratic tyranny is foolish. I’ve really never seen that done. “ould deluder Satan to keepe men from the whole knowledge of the Scriptures.” GOOD GOD (irony intended)!! You’re a Mullah!

      And for your information, kind Sir, you were the first to resort to the ad hominem in the other debate when you replied to my terse and cautionary response to your post on that propagandic sectarian documentary (I didn’t even address you at all.)

      I’m willing to drop the insults if you first consent to doing so. But if you want to continue them I warn you; I haven’t even got my britches off yet.

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 11:48am

      MrButcher, let’s both drop the insults and take this one step at a time. The First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law…,” we both agree on that. Now, please tell me what law, passed by Congress, prevents public schools from teaching Christianity.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:15pm

      That’s a deal, LTB

      The first Amendment cleary states that no law can be passed in establishing a SPECIFIC religion. In the case of this story, Kentucky’s legislature (also subject to the 1st amend and the Constitution) is proposing to use TAX dollars to offer an elective bible class in public schools. I find that to be a clear violation of the Bill of Rights. Using tax dollars to teach/preach a single religion IS using congressional power (on the state level) to establish a religion.

      Any arguement that it “was done before” is moot. The US has a long history of unconstitutional actions. The Supreme Court ruled on this very subject in McCollum v. Board of Education Dist. 71 (1948.) I’ll quote it:

      Question: Did the use of the public school system for religious classes violate the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause?

      Conclusion:Yes. The Court held that the use of tax-supported property for religious instruction and the close cooperation between the school authorities and the religious council violated the Establishment clause. Because pupils were required to attend school and were released in part from this legal duty if they attended the religious classes, the Court found that the Champaign system was “beyond question a utilization of the tax-established and tax-supported public school system to aid religious groups and to spread the faith.”

      So its clear to see that this law in Kentucky will be thrown out and our republic is all the better for it.—————————————-

      That said, I’ll repeat myself from earlier, I do think Religion (as in ALL of them, even the long dead ones) should be taught in historical, philosophical and literary contexts in public schools. Not understanding the Greek and Roman gods, for instance, makes it impossible to understand much of Greek and Roman history and literature. And the same is also true of American and European history etc..But I must STRESS that these lectures should be done in an antropological format and not in an indoctrunational one.

      I hope you see my point better now.

      Respectfully,
      Mr Butcher

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    • timber wolf
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 4:32pm

      I am sure would also agree, they have taught the theory of evolution in the classroom for years, it would only be fair to teach creation as well.

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 6:56pm

      MrButcher, I understand the point you are trying to make; however, our founding fathers meant a specific CHRISTIAN religion when they wrote “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of ‘religion’….” The word “religion,” during the time of America’s founding meant “the doctrine of the gospel.” As a matter of fact, if you look up “religion” in the most widely used dictionary from the 1700s (i.e., Samuel Johnson’s, “A Dictionary of the English Language”), every single entry for the word “religion” was a quote from prominent Christians of the period. One of the quotes was from a Mormon, but nonetheless, his quote was a direct reference to Jesus Christ. Regardless, our founding fathers didn’t even consider faiths like Muhammadanism or Buddhism to be religions, they viewed them as doctrines of Satan.

      Furthermore, all of the original thirteen colonies had state sponsored Christian religions and/or requirements that only Christians could serve as representatives. For example, in Massachusetts representatives were required to profess, “I _______, do declare that I believe the Christian religion…” and in Delaware only those who “profess[ed] to believe in Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the World,” could serve legislatively or executively. Even though denominational practices may have differed from colony to colony, all of the denominations were Christian denominations. When it came to forming the federal government, Congregational colonies didn’t want Anglican colonies dictating how their churches would be run and vice versa. Even though all of the colonies were established on the Christian faith, none of them wanted a Church of America. Had anyone suggested in 1789, however, that the First Amendment would eventually be used to prohibit the teaching of the Bible in public classrooms, it would have never been ratified.

      It’s unreasonable to say “the way things used to be done is a moot point,” because the way things used to be done is exactly the way our founding fathers intended things to be done in perpetuity or until Americans change those ways with an explicit Constitutional Amendment (not the 14th Amendment). To say otherwise, would be like a husband saying to his wife, “Honey, I know our marriage contract says we’re supposed to cohabitate as man and wife, but I’d like to start dating other women, okay?” You can’t start changing the meaning of the Constitution as dictated by our founding fathers, because that makes the entire contract null and void. A Constitutional Republic can only survive as long as the Constitution, as written, is honored.

      Now, given the fact that America’s founders started public schools to educate children about the Bible, given the fact that our founding fathers voted to make the Capitol Building a place of lawmaking as well as a place of worship, given the fact that “religion” was synonymous with “Christianity” back in 1700s America and given the fact that all of the colonies either had state sponsored Christian religions or requirements that only Christians could serve in government, why do you think our founding fathers would have ever meant to silence the gospel in America’s classrooms?

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:11pm

      BTW MrButcher, your point about the 14th Amendment was valid, but I believe the Supreme Court abused its power when it used the 14th Amendment as a backdoor method to restrict liberties guaranteed by the First Amendment. Also, I apologize for being such an ass, I just get passionate about this topic and sometimes I lose sight of the forest for the trees.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:27pm

      LTB,

      Apology accepted. I too take great interest in this topic and it illicits much passion, verve and fervor from me as well. Now, I’m gonna pull out my big guns and respectfully lay out the case for a secular Government as supported by the Founders.

      Consider this: you are correct in stating that all of the original 13 colonies had an official state religions . But most had abandoned them before 1850, 18 years before the passage of the 14th amendment. Why? In short, what we would today now call “sectarianism” in middle-eastern countries.

      Consider this early example from pre-Constitution Christian America: the Maryland Toleration Act of 1649 of Gov. William Stone (sidenote and in full disclosure: I am a direct descendant of Gov. Stone). This act allowed all Christians to worship freely in the state of Maryland (which had been exsclusivly Catholic prior to the act.) Sounds good, right? Wrong. The ironically titled Maryland Toleration Act also included a provision that called for the execution of anyone who “denied the divinity of Jesus.” One step forward three steps back.

      As for Jefferson’s famous “Wall of Separation” reference and its true meaning. Obviously, those actual words are not in the constitution, but do you know the context of their writing? I’m sure you know it was in a letter to the Baptists of Danbury but do you know why the Baptists of Danbury had written President Jefferson and with what grievance? They were afraid of being persecuted by the Congregationalist of Danbury!! See? Christians couldn’t even get along interdenominationally back then (it is still very much the same–as in the middle east). Do you really want to resurrect state-sponsered sectarian problems of that nature?

      Also, I’d like to refer you to the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797. It was passed unanimously by the 5th Congress (which included many of the original Founders) and signed into law by President John Adams. Article 11 of that treaty states and i quote, “As the Government of the United States of America IS NOT, in any sense, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

      Lastly, I’d like to rest my case for the sectarian nature of America on the actual Constitution. The only document that really matters. In it the only mentions of religion are article 6 section 3 (“no religious test” for ANY elected officials; federal, state, local) and, as we’ve well gone over, the 1st Amendment. Both of these sources mention nothing of Christianity and do all they can to limit the effects and influence of religion (including Christian religions) on public policy and government. I can’t stress this simple fact enough.
      ——————————————————-
      With all that said, the beauty and greatness of America, and its most important contribution to humanity and the human heart, soul and mind is the importance and foremost respect placed on the rights of the Individual over the rights of the collective. Essentially, the freedom to be as you, the individual, wants to be. This idea is so profound and revolutionary it still affects the entire world!

      I think we both can certainly agree on that, right?

      Cheers,
      Mr. Butcher

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 10, 2011 at 11:51am

      The 14th Amendment had nothing whatsoever to do with abridging the First Amendment and had Americans, after the Civil War, realized future generations would use the 14th Amendment to restrict public expression of the Christian faith, it would have died a quick death. If Americans want to have the discussion about whether, or not, America is a Christian nation and whether we want to explicitly restrict the implications of the First Amendment, as our founding fathers intended, then America needs to have that discussion. It is underhanded, however, for federal judges to use the 14th Amendment to circumvent the First Amendment when the authors of both the First and the 14th Amendments would have been appalled by such tactics.

      I understand what you’re saying about the Maryland Toleration Act, but it doesn’t seem like they took three steps back to me. I assume you’re saying they took three steps back, because it looked like they were taking steps toward secularizing America, or at least embracing other religions (i.e., in the contemporary sense of the word). I guarantee you that toleration of doctrines like Muhammadism and moving American colonists toward secularization were the farthest things from the mind of Governor Stone. Obviously, this act was meant to make Christians tolerant of other Christians.

      With regard to the “wall of separation” decision, I would refer you to the 1899 decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States where the Supreme Court reached the conclusion that America is a “Christian Nation.” That was a great Supreme Court, because the Justices based their decision on 87 precedents, quotes from the Founding Fathers and excerpts from Congressional Acts. If America had been a Christian Nation from 1776 to 1899, the Supreme Court of 1947 had no right whatsoever to unilaterally declare otherwise, especially considering the Justices didn’t cite a single precedent to back up their opinion. The 1947 decision was a bad one and in my eyes, it marks the beginning of America’s moral decline.

      As far as the Treaty of Tripoli is concerned, go back and read the treaty, but this time consider the punctuation and don’t take any comments out of context. If you read that treaty and consider the grammar and context, you’ll understand that, with respect to Christianity, this treaty was distinguishing between true virtuous Christianity and heretical Christianity, which had been used historically in Europe to conquer Muslim peoples. What they were saying is that America was not a nation of heretics who would use Christianity to justify the conquest of Muslim People.

      Finally, with respect to the claim that article 6 section 3 was meant to keep our federal government secular, I will again refer you to the meaning of the word “religious,” as used during the 1700s. Do I want Calvinists gaining control of Congress and telling me that I must believe the doctrine of pre-destiny? No, but I do believe Calvinists are Christians and it wouldn’t bother me if we had a Calvinist President, nor does it mean I couldn’t join in with the prayers of Calvinists. Our founders had come from nations ruled my monarchs where one generation would be forced to worship under Catholicism, the next under Protestantism, the next back under Catholicism, etc. and they didn’t want this to happen in America. Instead of a federally run church, they wanted individuals to determine what church their taxes would go to support at the local level. That way, if someone in Virginia decided he didn’t want to live under the influence of the Anglican church, he could vote with his feet and move to New Hampshire where the official religion (i.e., in the 1776 sense of the word) was Congregationalism. Whether or not the Christian church would be prominent in the public domain, however, was never even a question.

      I wish our founders had used the wording of Maryland’s Constitution when drafting the First Amendment (i.e., “all persons, professing the Christian religion, are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty”), but they didn’t and as they say, the devil is in the details. Had our founding fathers not taken for granted that future generations would use their definition for “religion,” (i.e., “the Christian doctrine”), I’m almost positive they would have reworded the First Amendment. At any rate, as I mentioned before, if Americans want to clarify the First Amendment and modify it to take into account contemporary definitions, then we need to have that discussion and if someone like Anthony Weiner wants to propose a Constitutional Amendment to make that clarification, more power to him. Until that time, though, I believe we need to honor the intent of our founding fathers.

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  • APatriotFirst
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:40pm

    Yes yes yes
    do it do it do it

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    • docgreen
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:24pm

      Sarge, I think we need to take a Vote!

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    • P C BE DAMNED
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:49pm

      We are breaking free of those who have forced their lies on us and made us ashamed of our nation. We are being pushed into a corner and I am sure we will come out fighting. We will overcome and break the chains they have put on us and take their stick they have beaten us with. A stick of name calling such as racist , whitey, bigot, damn you all for the pain you have inflicted. You have only made me strong but you have destroyed so many. Damn you. Damn you.

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    • SHASTADIANE1
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:24pm

      I am 60 years old..let’s start out with this understanding. For some reason, I was chosen for several different studies. I was chosen in my CA high school to be a part of a group that was studying race relations…black and white in a school of mostly WHITE students…also was chosen for a study that the Fed government conducted about jobs for women..they drove my Mother and I both crazy for years and years with this study, and they followed us all over the country from CA and AR, and it was suppose to be a 5 year study of jobs and women in society…we finally had to just refuse to answer all their idiotic questions…I was also part of a class that studied the Bible as a piece of “literature”…was this maybe the reason I was chosen for all these other studies, I don’t know…but I have in the past 40 years since leaving high school been a participant in at least 3 government surveys…I grew up in a high school with kids of all nationalities, my best friend was hispanic decent…I went to school from first grade till high school graduate with East Indian imigrants…not to mention hispanics…I went to a nearly all white high school..all the black kids were across the river from my high school…we only had 2 families of blacks in my high school..both families had great athletes…The Olivers and the Williams…But as far as people who studied the Bible, or who were separated for being Christian, I do not know why I was included in this group??? But I think it is a very good idea for them to have studies in Christian beliefs also. I learned a lot from my very diverse school student body…I hope that they learned from me also. Some of these kids, I had gone to school with from the 1st grade till I graduated high school…

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    • Sergio Q
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 4:16pm

      HERE WE GO AGAIN!! …I had posted my agreeing with you yesterday ,ALLOWING SCHOOLS TO HAVE A BIBLE BASED CLASS/TEACHING WOULD BE A GOOD THING) ,but it seems one of the holier-than-thou crowd didnt approve of my verbage ..then, POOF! coment deleted.
      sad so very very sad that its not gonna be the evolutionists , anti Christian buttheadz or the God-Haterz that will squelch the potential for the option available for students to learn truth ,values & wisdom from The Bible.(too bad , this would be a good thing for America)
      The overzelous in your face ~so called~ Christians with there unyielding ,totolitarian forced autrishion will be the motivator for dropping this like a hot hot potato.
      That will leave the rest of us who belive in God & trust in Him ,Salvation ,Grace & Mercy without demanding all conform in the lurch ,dreaming of a day when things like Ky’s Senate Bill 56 are a reality.
      When this Bill fails to pass the bulk of its hinderances will rest in the hands of the ones that think God leans foward to hear there sweet prayers …He leans foward since the stench of there bullcrapp prayers stink in the very nostrills of God & gag Him , His leaning foward has zipola to do with there SpiritualSuperiority , He dont wanna get peuk on Hts robe.
      I may at times be crude ,rude & socially unacceptable but am honist & trust in God for my simple needs , holding no ill-will to thoes who dont want God ,Christ or The HolySpirit in there lives ..thats there loss.
      I will pray that Ky.Senate Bill 56 pass & that God do something with the holier-than-thou foolz …I’m thinking lightning bolt to the melon Lord(?)

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  • etetetet
    Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:39pm

    I’m moving to Kentucky – bout time

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    • cnsrvtvj
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:43pm

      Finally a sane story regarding schools. After a day of mandatory Arabic language classes in Texas, this sounds good to me.

      http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the chamber of commerce video

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    • bikerr
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:47pm

      IN GOD WE TRUST-Finally will be observed!

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    • NickDeringer
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 9:56pm

      This opens up a number of problems. Will schools have to have elective courses in the Koran? Hindu or Buddhist books?

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:03pm

      In Mansfield TX they want to teach Arabic and that’s supposed to be okay, but when a Bible course is offered in Kentucky, so called American mothers have a problem with it. I wonder how these mothers are going to feel when Sharia law is implimented. These people better wake up and pay attention to what is going on around them, for the sake of their children’s futures.

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:03pm

      Nick,
      Please don’t be afraid of electives like that. Everyone having a better idea of what the other believes is a good idea, but no one’s even talking about imposing THAT. It’s ELECTIVE. If other faiths want to propose classes, this is America, and they should be allowed to under the 1st amendment.
      And if there are those who go astray, we will do our best to convert them with reason, dialog, and compassionate service, rather than the sword or governmental imposition like our enemies want to do.

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:08pm

      Wow, how will the NEA control their minds if the students are taught that the State isn’t god? Dangerous stuff, I wonder how long it will take Holder to move on Kentucky. I say, 2 days.

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:13pm

      Actually, what I don’t get is why they think they need to pass a LAW for this to ALLOW this to happen.

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    • Intellectual Honesty
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:14pm

      Kentucky’s approved brand of small government conservatism:

      Christian religion in the public schools, the federal government in your bedroom as well as your doctors office, the drugs you consume……its a unique brand of freedom that I‘m sure I don’t have the mind to appreciate.

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    • docgreen
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:17pm

      I’m up for it!….

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    • janedough1
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:22pm

      They won’t let it pass. Somehow the Founding Fathers managed to accidentally allow the Ten Commandments to be chiseled into walls all over the Capitol, as well as the face of Moses and other Christian symbolism, when they really meant for Christianity to be unconstitutional.

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:33pm

      Texas passed a similar law in 2007 that went into effect last year – Liberals hate Texas, which is fine by us. Texans don’t shy away from our faith in Christ and, no surprise, we have a very blessed state. As a matter of fact, when you compare the prosperity of Texas, where God is honored, with the bankruptcy of California, where Godless socialists have been allowed to rule, it’s kind of difficult to understand why America would have put a socialist in the White House.

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:39pm

      @ Anti-Intellectual > Why how utterly “HONEST” of you to completely gloss over that, kinda CRITICALLY important word “elective”.

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    • home_of_the_brave
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:41pm

      Finally someone with some guts! Not mandatory like learning arabic but as an elective. Wish I had this in my state! GO KENTUCKY!!!

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    • P C BE DAMNED
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:43pm

      We need to back Kentucky as our enemies are only too glad to kill little girls ( todays news) who read the Bible. Those bastards, if I go to hell I will find those who killed these innocent ones and make their stay a little more hellish. I swear.

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    • jzs
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:49pm

      Will they offer courses in any other religion? Or is this supporting a “state supported religion” prohibited by the Constitution of the United States of America?

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    • Showtime
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:55pm

      If kids can take their “religious knives” to school, they can sit there and learn about the fact that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.”

      When those children at Columbine were killed, there was a message going around. “God, how could You let this happen?” And God answered, “But you took Me out of schools.”

      This nation was founded on Christian principles. “In God We Trust.“ ”…one Nation under God…” If the sovereighn State of Kentucky wants the Bible back in school, I say we are guaranteed freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. And if Muslim Obama and his hefty attorneys lean on Kentucky, I’d tell Obama to show his certified documents for eligibility before he starts pushing individual states around.

      I wish Bill O’Reilly had asked Obama about Lt. Col. Terry Lakin’s court martial.

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    • etetetet
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 10:58pm

      JZS – If one thinks about it – Evolution and Atheism are both forms of religion – they worship, they just worship lack of god – yet they kidnapped the classrooms a few decades ago.

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    • Showtime
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:17pm

      @13thGenerationAmerican
      My daddy told me it was so, and he never lied to me. I believe it’s called FAITH.

      I don’t know how God created everything. I just look around and thank Him for His works and for giving people like you and me His Son’s life so that we may ask for forgiveness of our sins and receive His mercy and be forgiven.

      Youi have any better ideas of how this all came about? Does the Christian faith make you a good person or a radical Islamic terrorist? If you enjoy your freedoms here in America, you have them because they are endowed by our Creator. If you don’t believe that, then take your rug and go to Iran!

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:23pm

      Etetetet, actually Secular Humanism is a religion [Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488 (1961)] and Evolution is a doctrine of this religion (i.e., according to the first plank of the Humanist Manifesto). What I don’t understand is why Christians have failed to bring lawsuits against their local public schools for respecting the establishment of Secular Humanism’s doctrine of Evolution over the Christian doctrine of Creation. We need to get on the offensive, people, and stop playing defense.

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    • 912828Buckeye
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:24pm

      I have family in KY. They must be smarter than I.

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    • Mister President
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:26pm

      The Bible isn’t something to be taught in schools. This isn’t the answer.

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    • EddardStark
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:29pm

      Argh, Creeping, Crawling, Christian Sharia. It was already bad enough that my High School only served fish on Fridays.

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    • PlanetXenu
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:40pm

      I hope it’s mandatory. it’s important for kids to learn what a lot of people in this country consider fact, then make up their own minds.

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    • ltb
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:56pm

      Mister President
      Posted on February 8, 2011 at 11:26pm
      The Bible isn’t something to be taught in schools. This isn’t the answer.

      —–

      I get so tired of confronting uninformed people like you, Mrbutcher and 13Generation, but I will continue to do so until you either shut up or realize that being ignorant should never be a source of pride. Let’s look at the facts… prior to the 1960s, when the Bible was removed from public school, measures of depravity (i.e., crime rates, STDs, abortions, drug abuse, etc.) had remained flat since record keeping in America for such things began. After the Supreme Court removed prayer and the Bible from our schools in 1962-3, however, crime rates, STD rates, abortions, drug use among teens, etc. skyrocketed. Not only that, but standardized tests (e.g., SAT) have had to be dumbed down several times during the past few decades, because kids graduating from America’s public schools are stupid. Today, America is home to the most depraved generation of ignoramuses known to mankind since the last generation of Romans and we have people like you to thank for it.

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    • Non-sequitur
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:48am

      @LTB

      [Citation needed]

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    • Large Eagle
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:22am

      Our ORIGINAL 13 states passed a bill and printed 20,000 Bible before the revolutionary war
      It was necessary because it was the first book in public education
      God’s Spirit is moving
      Glory to the most HIGH and HIS precious SON

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    • jbl8199
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:22am

      Good for them. That’s how they need to do it. Have it as an OPTIONAL class and not requiring people to take it.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:24am

      I grew up in Bath Co., KY and started the 6th grade there. We used to say the Lord’s Prayer and the Pledge of Allegience every morning. Later, in Jr. High and High School, it was just the Pledge, but I can’t remember them ever trying to pass off evolution only. I graduated in 1979, which tells you my age. I live in Ohio now, on the Ohio river, just across from KY, where Eliza crossed the river and where Harriet Tubbman got her stories to write Uncle Tom’s Cabin from Reverend Rankin.

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    • I CHOOSE THE RED PILL MR PRESIDENT
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:26am

      @JZS. Once again you have it completely wrong. The Constitution DOES NOT prohibit religion. In fact the first Bible printed in the US was printed by Congress for “Use in the Schools” as stated in it’s dedication. Perhaps you should actually read the Constitution. I officially challenge you to do it. Perhaps you might learn something instead of merely parroting the propaganda you‘ve been fed and taken as truth because they know you’ll never actually research it yourself. You just look like a jackass when you get it wrong.

      And please, when you come across that clause where religion is “prohibited” in the Constitution, please. Share…

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    • republitarian
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:43am

      The Congress has voted on the Patriot Act. Why are we talking about Kentucky? Where is the story to spur conversation? Does Congress have to have a brawl at Denny’s to get attention?

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    • tea bag patriot
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:57am

      @grandmaof5

      Arabic is a language…………….Bible is not.

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    • Thatsitivehadenough
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 2:32am

      Good! Be a leader.

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    • KICKILLEGALSOUT
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 4:03am

      All anyone has to do is look at history and see this is ok to do. The first English Bible printed in America was printed by the congress of the USA and the main reason it was printed was so that it would be taught in schools.

      But you won‘t hear that today from the revisionists or those that twist Jefferson’s meaning of Separation of Church and State when he wrote to the Danbury Baptists.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 6:39am

      I am glad to see people are finally coming togeather to make the stand against the darkness that has encroached within and from without the nation. Good lord may we hold togeather into the new day that is coming for the nation ahead, and help us to hold through the storm at hand.

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:05am

      LTD, bravo! I can’t remember the statistics, but they were not promising, when separation of church and state began and any mention of religion left the schools. That was the beginning of the end for kids who learned nothing about God at home: no more 10 Commandments, Easter celebration, Christmas nativity and while the “nay sayers” will that is bunk, I will never believe it. Kids need core values, and I don’t mean the “right” shoes, or the bling-bling, etc. which is what they worship today.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:09am

      The Bible Curricula for Public Schools -as prepared by by Ms Ridenour of N.C. is Constitutional. Further
      the Northwest Ordinance twice passed by Congress provided in Article III that “Religion,Morality, and Knowledge being necessary for good government and the happiness of mankind schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged. ” Several of the Founders and educators like Dr.Benjamin Rush, and Noah Webster encourage as did Thomas Jefferson use of the Bible in the classroom. The
      Aitken Bible was approved by Congress “for the inhabitants of the United States ” for use in the schools. Congress in 1838 acted to provide that Chaplains…are to perform double service of clergymen and schoolmasters. And the Congressional Judiciary Committee Reports of 19 Jan.1853 and 27 March (in the House) 1854 discussed the Establishment of Religion. ,and chaplains. Even as late as Ronald Wilson Reagan in the Congressional Record teaching the Bible has been encouraged. It is logical and reasonable for the Kentucky schools to allow such. What would be “unconstitutional” would be for the Court to violate the clear language used in the First Amendment
      perpetrating Fraud–and VOID their decision should they strike down this law.

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    • rdcoop
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:26am

      Everyone should know that “WE” have let the Supreme Court overstep it’s authority on church and state issues. The Constitution prevents the Govt. from “imposing” religion on the States. The States are the only ones who have the authority to regulate where the separation will be so good for you Kentucky, tell the Govt. and the Supreme Court to get out of your business when it comes to it. And for whoever it offends, TUFF #&@*, mover back to where ever you came from.

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    • BacktotheFounders
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:32am

      Back in 1963 the Supreme Court ruled that the Bible could be taught in the public schools as literature. It stated that “the Bible is worthy of study for its literary and historic qualities” so long as material is “presented objectively as part of a secular program of education.”

      Schools must be careful in not advocating for one particular religion, but studying how the law codes that come out of the first five books of the Bible have influenced the development of our laws, studying Wisdom Literature by looking at the books of Job, Ecclesiastes and Proverbs, or even looking at how the four Gospels – Matthew, Mark, Luke and John – in the New Testament mark the beginning of Jesus’s public ministry, have all been allowed as teaching units in public schools.

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    • joe3
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:08am

      yea, there are private schools available for religious studies. what if it was islam class? or what if was course on satanism? one thing they do have in public schools is the religion of eco fascism, mixed in with a little science is god to give it cred. that needs to go.

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:50am

      Always did like KY.. I remember when I went to Public school in Chicago..every Wednesday afternoon those that elected to walked 2 blocks to the neighborhood catholic church and had 2 hours of religious instruction..it wasn’t mandatory.. while it was total Bible studies it was at least some kind of religious training.. which is 100% more than they have now.. Anyone who has been on the street in CHICAGO know the GANGS have taken over in ALL area’s … A breakdown of the family and values..

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 11:04am

      @ janedough1.. Must also be why they didn’t want religion in GOVERNMENT..LOL.. the only other buildings with so many religious symbols would be.. oh ya CHURCHES.. One thing than GOD they are NOT brave enough to try and take them off….YET..

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 11:11am

      @rdcoop… this is TRUE.. we have NO states that have taken advantage of it though.. I am not what one would call a Bible thumper however.. I DO beleive that teaching things like the 10 commandments.. etc.. it is time we get back to basics.. our kids need POSITIVE DIRECTION

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    • AmericanSoldier
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 1:35pm

      You are up in arms when Muslim/Arabic curriculum is introduced into public schools but praise when the bible is added to public schools. A bunch of worthless hypocrites. Public schools are funded by all walks of life, from Muslims to Christians. That is why it should be NEUTRAL in this matter!

      I swear, you all think you are so smart and cleaver. You believe you are the defenders of freedom and liberty but are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites who would do as much to remove our rights in this country as long as it was YOU who decided what rights to remove and what things can be forced on the American people. That’s why you phony the Conservative Right will never win overall against the Liberal Left. You’re all the same, just a different agenda.

      Pathetic.

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    • waggie
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 6:28pm

      Yeeeeesssssss!!!!!

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    • DisillusionedDaily
      Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:44pm

      About time! Only 49 more states to go!

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    • keepinganopenmind
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:53pm

      My question is, “Of what are the people who are against this afraid? That the students will turn into moral, well rounded people?” It beats the alternative. Turn on your television and see what 40 years of no Bible has done for us.

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