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Koch-Funded Study Changes Prominent Global Warming Skeptic to a Believer

Global Warming Skeptic Changes His Mind

(The Blaze/AP) A prominent physicist and skeptic of global warming spent two years trying to find out if mainstream climate scientists were wrong. In the end, he determined they were right: Temperatures really are rising rapidly.

The study of the world’s surface temperatures by Richard Muller was partially bankrolled by a foundation connected to global warming disbelievers. He pursued long-held skeptic theories in analyzing the data. He was spurred to action because of “Climategate,” a British scandal involving hacked emails of scientists.

Yet he found that the land is 1.6 degrees warmer than in the 1950s. Those numbers from Muller, who works at the University of California, Berkeley and Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, match those by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA.

He said he went even further back, studying readings from Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. His ultimate finding of a warming world, to be presented at a conference Monday, is no different from what mainstream climate scientists have been saying for decades.

What’s different, and why everyone from opinion columnists to “The Daily Show” is paying attention is who is behind the study.

One-quarter of the $600,000 to do the research came from the Charles Koch Foundation, whose founder is a major funder of skeptic groups and the tea party. The Koch brothers, Charles and David, run a large privately held company involved in oil and other industries, producing sizable greenhouse gas emissions.

Muller’s research team carefully examined two chief criticisms by skeptics. One is that weather stations are unreliable; the other is that cities, which create heat islands, were skewing the temperature analysis.

“The skeptics raised valid points and everybody should have been a skeptic two years ago,” Muller said in a telephone interview. “And now we have confidence that the temperature rise that had previously been reported had been done without bias.”

Muller said that he came into the study “with a proper skepticism,“ something scientists ”should always have. I was somewhat bothered by the fact that there was not enough skepticism” before.

There is no reason now to be a skeptic about steadily increasing temperatures, Muller wrote recently in The Wall Street Journal’s editorial pages, a place friendly to skeptics. Muller did not address in his research the cause of global warming. The overwhelming majority of climate scientists say it’s man-made from the burning of fossil fuels such as coal and oil. Nor did his study look at ocean warming, future warming and how much of a threat to mankind climate change might be.

Still, Muller said it makes sense to reduce the carbon dioxide created by fossil fuels.

“Greenhouse gases could have a disastrous impact on the world,” he said. Still, he contends that threat is not as proven as the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says it is.

On Monday, Muller was taking his results – four separate papers that are not yet published or peer-reviewed, but will be, he says – to a conference in Santa Fe, N.M., expected to include many prominent skeptics as well as mainstream scientists.

“Of course he’ll be welcome,” said Petr Chylek of Los Alamos National Lab, a noted skeptic and the conference organizer. “The purpose of our conference is to bring people with different views on climate together, so they can talk and clarify things.”

Shawn Lawrence Otto, author of the book “Fool Me Twice” that criticizes skeptics, said Muller should expect to be harshly treated by global warming disbelievers. “Now he’s considered a traitor. For the skeptic community, this isn’t about data or fact. It’s about team sports. He’s been traded to the Indians. He’s playing for the wrong team now.”

And that started on Sunday, when a British newspaper said one of Muller’s co-authors, Georgia Tech climate scientist Judith Curry, accused Muller of another Climategate-like scandal and trying to “hide the decline” of recent global temperatures.

The Associated Press contacted Curry on Sunday afternoon and she said in an email that Muller and colleagues “are not hiding any data or otherwise engaging in any scientifically questionable practice.”

The Muller “results unambiguously show an increase in surface temperature since 1960,” Curry wrote Sunday. She said she disagreed with Muller’s public relations efforts and some public comments from Muller about there no longer being a need for skepticism.

Muller‘s study found that skeptics’ concerns about poor weather station quality didn’t skew the results of his analysis because temperature increases rose similarly in reliable and unreliable weather stations. He also found that while there is an urban heat island effect making cities warmer, rural areas, which are more abundant, are warming, too.

Among many climate scientists, the reaction was somewhat of a yawn.

“After lots of work he found exactly what was already known and accepted in the climate community,” said Jerry North, a Texas A&M University atmospheric sciences professor who headed a National Academy of Sciences climate science review in 2006. “I am hoping their study will have a positive impact. But some folks will never change.”

Chris Field, a Carnegie Institution scientist who is chief author of an upcoming intergovernmental climate change report, said Muller’s study “may help the world’s citizens focus less on whether climate change is real and more on smart options for addressing it.”

Some of the most noted scientific skeptics are no longer saying the world isn’t warming. Instead, they question how much of it is man-made, view it as less a threat and argue it’s too expensive to do something about, Otto said.

Skeptical MIT scientist Richard Lindzen said it is a fact and nothing new that global average temperatures have been rising since 1950, as Muller shows. “It’s hard to see how any serious scientist (skeptical, denier or believer – frequently depending on the exact question) will view it otherwise,” he wrote in an email.

In a brief email statement, the Koch Foundation noted that Muller‘s team didn’t examine ocean temperature or the cause of warming and said it will continue to fund such research. “The project is ongoing and entering peer review, and we’re proud to support this strong, transparent research,” said foundation spokeswoman Tonya Mullins.

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  • WAKEUPUSA2012
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:32pm

    Sure the globe is getting warmer. but not from co2 or man. Because of the SUN! If you look at the tempature history of our planet it has been hotter and colder. Al gore is a communist who wants to tax the whole world so the fat cat bankers can get even more of our money. Dont beleive al gore is a communist? look it up. His father was one for sure. He worked closely with arm and hammer.

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    • Whirled Peas
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:40pm

      He worked closely with arm and hammer.
      ********************
      Baking soda isn’t communist!

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:45pm

      arm and hammer is a person buddy

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:57pm

      Too cute. Armand Hammer is the person. Google it, sweet thing

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    • Lesterp
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:34pm

      Are we supposed to take you seriously when you say arm and hammer?

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:53pm

      lol yes i spelled it wrong, that does not mean that im wrong. take me seriouse or say im a joke idc thats on u

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    • 1casawizard
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 8:01pm

      I think the guys name was Armand Hammer. One rich guy back in the day.

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    • artistskeptic
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 8:57pm

      Armand Hammer??????

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    • listeninginVT
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 9:04pm

      NO, no, no wakeup. you have it all wrong. See, when Al G. was a kid, THAT was the PERFECT temperature for the world, and I know, I know even though the temps through out history go ice age to warming trend. that is NOT what is happening this time. See, perfection happened in the 50-60′s, any change from that HAS to be our fault, and certain people need to make ridiculous ‘rules’ that will only give them a net profit, and not stop the warming at all and w/ flashing lights and miracles it will all magically be better, just give today………

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 10:28pm

      WAKE, you are on the right side of this despite the misquote. Stay strong and always be willing to learn. God Bless You!

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 10:43pm

      Maybe he meant arm with “hammer and sickle”?

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 10:46pm

      @listeninginVT

      Nice. And when I first read your post I thought Al G was AIG. Same thing I guess. LOL

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 11:45pm

      Armand Hammer WAS a communist — he was named afer the “arm and hammer” logo of the American Communist Party. “Doctor” Hammer went to the Soviet Union and started a pencil factory. Later, he got sweetheart deals for his oil company (Occidental) because of his political position. His first really big oil project was in Libya. Eventually, he actually bought the Arm & Hammer baking soda company (cute, huh?).

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on October 31, 2011 at 12:43am

      I assure you that good old Al Gore isn’t letting this slide…they will do anything to try and “cap and trade” us..which is.. they want to charge each and every household between $300-$350 per household in taxes alone per month for electricity..that was on the table with the Obama administration..Then they wanted to sell tax credits to industries…nothing to do with stopping Global Warming..they aren’t that stupid,,they just expect us to be.. It’s all about lining their pockets…and that this guys presenting it to Santa Fe..ha ha.. Santa Fe is full of liberals. I was told that if I went their spouting my conservative views..that they would literally kill me….I am serious!!!!!!!!!

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    • ltb
      Posted on October 31, 2011 at 12:44am

      No one denies that the earth is getting warmer. Texas had over 2 months of 100+ degree heat this summer, but not because of CO2… it is another sign of the soon return of Christ.

      You really have to be completely ignorant about the Bible to not see that what is going on in the world today is written about in the Bible. According to the Bible, with respect to the time before Jesus’ return, Israel will be restored as a nation (check), Israel will be completely surrounded by enemies (check), Jerusalem will be a problem that no one can solve (check), the ancient Roman Empire will be revived in Europe (check), there will be a move for a one world government (check), there will wars and rumors of wars (check), the will be horrific natural disasters involving the oceans (check), there will terrible earthquakes around the globe (check), there will be famines (check), there will be a falling away of “Christian” apostates who preach false gospels (check), there will be an increase in Godlessness and the world be as wicked as it was in the times of Noah (check).

      So, what does the Bible say about the sun in the last days?

      “The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.” (Revelation 16:8-9)

      This is not a good time to be on the fence about accepting Jesus

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on October 31, 2011 at 7:57am

      Maybe he can explain to the world why the Pacific ocean is cooling while the temperture is rising.

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    • 100 Million Patriots Standing
      Posted on October 31, 2011 at 10:08am

      Regardless if man-made or God made…

      I will never accept a solution that trashes our Constitutional Republic in favor of Socia-communism as promoted by the U.N. and Obama.

      Isn’t it convenient that the only proposed and actual plan to deal with assumed man made climate change is Agenda 21. The ultimate rule over every aspect of man’s freedom, dignity and self respect.

      Everything happening today is designed to move us closer to that reality…..including the need for Obama to get another round of sledge-hammer destruction to our nation. A fully implemented Agenda 21 would allow no escape or revolution. game over.

      Are we so certain the Koch brothers would not sell us out for 30 pieces of silver (and more).

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on October 31, 2011 at 11:20am

      Unfortunately for Muller….Prof. Judith Curry of Georgia Tech tossed a Molotov Cocktail into
      “…the scientific study that ended the global warming debate once and for all – the research that, in the words of its director, ‘proved you should not be a sceptic, at least not any longer’.”
      [...] a leading member of Prof Muller‘s team has accused him of trying to mislead the public by hiding the fact that BEST’s research shows global warming has stopped. …
      Prof Judith Curry, who chairs the Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at America’s prestigious Georgia Institute of Technology, said that Prof Muller‘s claim that he has proven global warming sceptics wrong was also a ’huge mistake’, with no scientific basis.
      Prof Curry is a distinguished climate researcher with more than 30 years experience and the second named co-author of the BEST project’s four research papers.
      Her comments, in an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, seem certain to ignite a furious academic row. She said this affair had to be compared to the notorious ‘Climategate’ scandal two years ago.”
      The latest “scientific proof” of climastrology just blew up, after only a week of mendacious, worldwide propaganda. (Again!)

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    • DennisHand
      Posted on October 31, 2011 at 11:33am

      Armand Hammer was the CEO of Occidental Petroleum. He was a communist. He was the only private citizen who was personal friends with every leader in the Soviet Union from the 1930′s on. He also was the only private citizen who had standing approval to fly his private plane into soviet air space.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Hammer

      Here is a link to his autobiography. Interesting read.

      http://www.amazon.com/Hammer-Armand/dp/0399514414/ref=sr_1_31?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320075150&sr=1-31

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on October 31, 2011 at 12:51pm

      And the father of the Koch family built refineries for Joseph Stalin. Is that cool with you?

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  • Jake Dog2
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:31pm

    So what that the panet is getting warmer. At one time the panet was a gint rain forest then a big ice cube. Man is argent enough to think he can change it.

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    • starman70
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:32pm

      Right you are! There has been massive temperature changes in the past millenia.

      Even the smartest person in the world can be fooled by a scam artist, or is it that his eyes are rolling over and over like wheels in an one armed bandit, thinking about all the money he can be “Granted” to study this fallacious precept?

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    • asybot12
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 9:33pm

      Oh my lads I remember it well the little ice age not to long ago the river Thames froze and there was no summer My grandfather went broke because no-one needed ice blocks that year it was a sad time for me and me sisters, then we went Ireland and grew potatoes and now we live in the good old USA were anything is possible!!!

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  • Twinspeedr
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:25pm

    The question is not whether or not the temperature is going up or down, the question is… Why? It is funny that there seems to be a direct correlation between Solar output and atmospheric temperatures. You know that giant ball of rapidly fusing Helium plasma in the sky? Hello????!

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:30pm

      Why? Follow the money. It is not going up unless the scientist is paid to say so. We are headed to an ice age.

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    • tankyjo
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:22pm

      Yeh! Up till a few years ago you could go to NASA’s web site and compare earth temp to mars temp, [for real]. Used to send my Goreite friends to get a laugh. Of course we have a couple SUV’s up there, YUK YUK.

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    • scout n ambush
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:27pm

      Yes it‘s warming up so much that it’s snowing on the east coast already.

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    • Lamarr01
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:37pm

      Man-made global warming is even affecting the polar ice caps on Mars. The carbon dioxide from our overuse of fossil fuels has been drifting through outer space and warming the atmosphere of Mars. The southern ice cap has been shrinking since 2007. The Martian ice cap is made out of frozen carbon dioxide. When the ice cap melts, more carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere. Since there is such low gravity on Mars, the carbon dioxide drifts into outer space polluting other planets.

      The NASA studies showed there is a cloud of vaporous hydrogen hydroxide that forms near the equator. This cloud reflects sunlight and holds heat closer to the surface of the planet. The reduced sunlight slows the growth of plants and the increased surface heat can cause severe weather, tornadoes and hurricanes. Reduced plant growth can lead to global starvation and the violent climate change could make life in the coastal area subject to destruction and flooding.

      Vaporous hydrogen hydroxide should be added to the EPA’s list of deadly greenhouse gases before its too late.

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    • Lamarr01
      Posted on October 31, 2011 at 5:31pm

      I am very disappointed in the readers of the BLAZE. My attempt at humor has fallen flat. Vaporous hydrogen hydroxide is commonly referred to as clouds. It’s as ridiculous to have the EPA regulate clouds as it is to regulate (and tax) carbon dioxide.

      The polar ice cap on Mars has been shrinking. Mars has a very thin atmosphere so atmospheric temperature is not the cause of this shrinking. Carbon dioxide absorbs infrared radiation (heat) in a narrow range of frequencies. Apparently, there has been an increase in infrared radiation in this frequency.

      The sun is the likely source of this radiation. There are two satellites orbiting the sun recording the emissions of electromagnetic radiation (light and heat) and particles. There is another satellite orbiting the Earth that is recording the temperature of the atmosphere, amount of carbon dioxide and transmission of infrared radiation into space.

      These satellites have recorded actual data and the man-made global warming model doesn’t produce the correct predictions. The global warming “scientists” will need to reprogram their models and modify their theory.

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  • oldschoolgreen
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:25pm

    I know you guys are just trying to stir the waters a bit, but come on. This is an old story that has been debunked. This guy has been a proponent of AGW since the 80′s. He is not a skeptic and never has been. He is however, a shill.

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  • Whirled Peas
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:25pm

    ‘Warming now equals human causation?! Muller should be ashamed of himself for promoting media spin like this’ — ‘Muller’s study is already being met with massive scientific blowback from his colleagues’
    http://www.climatedepot.com/a/13375/Befuddled-Warmist-Richard-Muller-Declares-Skeptics-Should-Convert-to-Believers-Because-His-Study-Shows-the-Earth-Has-Warmed-Since-the-1950s–Climate-Depot-Responds

    Isn’t it funny how money twists the tongue to produce required/intended results?

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    • Ookspay
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:30pm

      As a CFO myself I learned long ago that if you torture numbers long enough they will say just about anything…

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    • chips1
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:35pm

      An independent study has proved that the size of the lie relates directly with the size of the ears. Hummmmm! Where’s my Nobel Prize for Physics? They owe me money, AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!!

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    • ProgressivesAreEvil
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 8:35pm

      Nice link Peas

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 11:33pm

      @Whirled Peas
      Thanks for the link.

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  • AssassinActual
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:24pm

    Remember Kids,

    The Department of Defense has identified man-made global warming as a significant strategic defense issue. That means, the one sector of the government which the right is likely to support thinks global warming is real and is already working to both mitigate the effects and redeploy forces to the arctic circle as it thaws.

    I, for one, realize that IF global warming was false it would be easier to falsify. It is not false. It is real ladies and gents.

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    • oldschoolgreen
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:29pm

      Actually the US Air Force dept for scientific studies does not believe in AGW. Neither does the Dept of Agriculture. Look at a growing zone map (like on the back of seed packets) from the 1950′s and compare it with one today. Stuff like oranges and other citrus that could be grown as far north as the Carolinas and northern California is now relegated to the deep southern regions of conus. Its getting colder folks.

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    • Whirled Peas
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:30pm

      Do your share then and hold your breath for 30 days to cut down on your pollution and exacerbating the glowbull worming problem.

      Thank you.

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    • frogland
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:33pm

      DoD is part of the White House. They are mere puppets, just a mouthpiece of an administration turning rotten.

      Red Herring. And a smelly one.

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    • USAMEDIC3008
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:38pm

      A government study from the early 1970′s
      stated that UFO’s are real,
      the Air Force does’nt exist…

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:34pm

      AssassinActual

      China keeps adding coal plants that emit CO2. they are using coal gassification so the NOX, sulfur dioxide & soot are much lower, but you still have CO2.

      Tell me how the world has to cut so much CO2 or else the seas rise by 20 feet or the polar caps melt or the world dies. Whatever Europe & the U.S. cut ion CO2 China replaced it & raised it some. So according to the AGW crowd we are screwed. Yet where are they on China‘s increase on CO2 or Indias’

      Oh wow, china just did a vertical take off on CO2 emissions. Per AGW dogma, we are screwed.
      The AGW scientists were so sure of themselves they had to lie abiot their data & deny Freedom of Information (FOI) requests.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:36pm

      “China refuses a cap on CO2

      Finally, critics point out that even though China bests the US by being a signer to the Kyoto Protocol (since the US is not), China signed under an agreement that developing nations would not be required to reduce their emissions” -wiki

      China is 23.3% of CO2 % of emissions & they are doing ______________?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:57pm

      Oh No. If we don;t cut by 20% or 80%,we’re screwed. So they say. Well the calendar is catching up to the liars and pretty soon they will have “cried ”wolf” once too often.

      http://westcoastclimateequity.org/2009/08/06/australian-scientist-says-cut-carbon-dioxide-emissions-80-by-2020-to-avoid-catastrophe/

      30% of Europe’s CO2 (4,177,817.86) is 1,253,345, which is 4% of China output in 2008 (29,888,121 in thousands of metric tons). At the rate China is growing even if the Europeans can meet a 30% cut, China will replace it & raise the ante. Since the U.N. & the Kyoto accords do nothing to China, I have to see this as being about controlling the human population & not about global warming.

      http://www.elrst.com/2010/07/15/europe-must-cut-its-co2-emissions-by-30-percent/

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:47pm

      AssassinActual

      Wow, you made up a whole screen name today to troll with 4 comments. Special!

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 11:56pm

      @Walkabout
      Very nice and informative posts. Oh, and AssassinActual created his account on Aug 14th but today is his first day posting. And 4 at that!!

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  • Raider1
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:21pm

    Are you kidding me?….This is journalism? As far as I know the question wasn’t whether climate change was happening but rather was it man made and can man change it. This article doesn’t even come any closer one way or the other to answering the question. Most scientists I‘m aware of know all about the earths cycles but taking the UN’s own climate numbers and doing the math we would need ZERO carbon output for like 50 years to possibly change the climate one degree. The real question is who pays for all this climate change mania. I’m still convinced it is a medium for the left/marxists to redistribute wealth globally from the “colonialist” United States cause other countries need their “fair share”.

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  • oldschoolgreen
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:21pm

    This guy has been debunked 100 times over. This is an old story. He is a shill, he has been a proponent of AGW since th 80′s.
    http://iceagenow.info/2011/10/berkeley-warmist-richard-muller-posing-skeptic-believer-agw-1980s/

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  • dadadadio
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:20pm

    Neat how these stories always come out on days of record snowfall and cold….

    To be a believer, you have to swallow about 10 concepts: 1) the world is warming; 2) CO2 is rising; 3) CO2 rise is the exclusive cause; 4) Water vapor is NOT the cause; 5) warming is bad; 6) the CO2 rise is caused almost entirely by activity of man; 7) most of those ‘men’ live in the USA; 8) Carbon trading schemes designed to enrich Al Gore & co. will lower CO2; 9) everyone in the world, including the thrid world will buy into the industry-crippling Al Gore & Co. scheme; and 10) I forget.

    Q: Why is a greenhouse hot? Plants CONSUME CO2, they don’t produce it. A: Water Vapor!

    Too bad Mr. Muller appears to have swallowed not only the warming, but the whole package.

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    • AssassinActual
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:27pm

      AGW causes weather patterns to vary wildly, causing the winters to get worse as well as the summers. genius. What, in god’s name, do you idiots have against peer review?

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    • AssassinActual
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:30pm

      Outstanding work Dadadadio. I would say “Troll-lol-lol” but you would probably not get it.

      Never let facts get in the way of your strongly held believes. Jesus is magic.

       
    • Whirled Peas
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:02pm

      Q: Why is a greenhouse hot? Plants CONSUME CO2, they don’t produce it. A: Water Vapor!
      ********************
      The sun also plays a huge part in greenhouse temperature. Ever notice how HUMID a greenhouse (aka hothouse) is? People (some) don’t realize that warm weather AND CO2 is required for food production. How many crops do you see in the fields during winter months? Isn’t science a fickle master?

      People whine about food shortages now? If there was any way (which there isn’t) to cool down atmospheric temps, a food shortage would result. For all that are disbelievers in my assertions, just try to grow something OUTSIDE during the winter and post results somewhere.

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:54pm

      @ assassinhand

      this report IS NOT PEER REVIEWED and what is the point of peer review, if you only allow papers from people that agree with you to be submitted ????

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  • ItsallaboutJesus
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:18pm

    I’m STILL skeptical !

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    • chips1
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:29pm

      It’s getting dark earlier. Global darkening? Invest in flashlights and make a fortune.

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:32pm

      Would a million bucks change your mind? It did change someones mind….

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:37pm

      Brilliant CHIPS! You can also run off OWS sexual assaulters with them there flashlights! I must buy more batteries tomorrow. But, wait, batteries are bad for the environment and likely cause global warming. We are doomed.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:51pm

      Sorry CHIPS, hope you knew I was responding with in-kind cynicism. ; )

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  • On The Mark
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:18pm

    “Muller did not address in his research the cause of global warming.” But, as we all know, the CAUSE of climate change is the real issue. Therefore, his conclusions are not only irrelevant, but also they are being deceptively used to represent MAN-MADE global warming, which is clearly not the case.

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  • stockpicker
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:17pm

    The earth’s temperature is what it is, but none of this proves man’s causation.

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  • FoundersKeeperUSA
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:17pm

    we all know the world has warmed a few degrees over the past decades. We also know that the world is in a cooling trend right now. the planet goes through cooling and warming cycles all the time. Ice age? Remember in the 60‘s and 70’s these same radical al gores of the world were stating we were headed to a new ice age. Didnt happen. The solution is also not to destroy our economy in the mean time guessing whats really behind these ups and downs. Which is what these radicas really are after. Taking our wealth and spreading it around the world. Marxism-socialism-Obamaism…

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    • Raider1
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:25pm

      FOUNDERSKEEPERUSA <———— I'm with this guy!

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  • TexOkie
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:12pm

    Next time you consider that man is the cause of global warming go outside and stare up at the sun for as long as you can. You will then have plenty of time in your blindness to contemplate what it is that causes the earth to warm and what it is that gives life to the earth.

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    • Whirled Peas
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:38pm

      You forgot a very important instrument in your sun gazing instructions. A MANDATORY magnifying glass is essential in the sun gazing experiment to get the fully desired results.

      Disclaimer: For all you idiots tempted to try this, consult a competent ADULT prior to attempting this experiment.

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  • AZPSYGUY
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:12pm

    Your better than this guys. Did The Blaze forget to interview Prof Judith Curry, Muller’s co-author on the study and Chair of the Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at Georgia Institute of Technology? Prof Curry claims that Muller is lying, and that the project’s research data show there has been no increase in world temperatures since the end of the Nineties. This story was reported today in the Daily Mail and Canada Free Press, yet has somehow been buried. I certainly hope The Blaze isn‘t aiding the press in it’s cover up…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41840

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  • AxelPhantom
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:12pm

    And…..man is responsible for it? The temp rises and falls, we find fossils of sea creatures on the property where my house is built and we are 300 miles from the coast and it is not due to a fault moving the land. Oh! how did that happen? Climate change is a fact, whether man is responsible or can do or should do anything to change “mother nature” is the issue.

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  • Tradition Dies Here
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:11pm

    I would propound that individuals with virtually no scientific background, or knowledge in the relative fields pertaining to global warming and climate, not voice their ignorance.

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    • survivorseed
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:15pm

      well I‘m afraid you’re on the wrong site. The Blaze operates purely on ignorance

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    • TheGreyPiper
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:44pm

      That’s right. Children should be seen and not heard. Never question Nanny. Big Brother knows best. “Hide the decline” doesn’t have anything to do with hiding or declining temperatures. And raising taxes =raising revenue.

      Listen peckerneck, I don’t have to be a cow to know the hamburger has gone bad.

      /How ’bout people who have never even seen a gun or a bullet except on Andy Griffith reruns STFU about the Second Amendment, then?

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    • sndrman
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:05pm

      unless your a metorlogist,you should not tell us what kinda weather wise day it is. so if it‘s raining and you don’t understand the full complexity of it or where the exact water vapor came from you had better not comment. that is a old socialist liberal argument to quiet the opposite side. “if your not an expert in that field then you better not comment” how lame.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:43pm

      @Tradition

      Go propound salt.

      @Seedling

      Yes, we run on ignorance. Thank you for donating our weekly supply.

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    • Howyinthehills
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 8:33pm

      “I would propound that individuals with virtually no scientific background, or knowledge in the relative fields pertaining to global warming and climate, not voice their ignorance.”
      Just a little elitism showing here. People without advanced degrees in climatology can know that the climate has warmed and cooled, at least as much as at present, several times in the past 5000 years (and earlier). The only questions here are:
      Has the recent warming been due to man’s contribution to greenhouse gasses?
      Is the increase in CO2 necessarily bad since it appears to increase the agricultural productivity of marginal land?.
      Will the temperature increase continue or are there negative feedbacks that will reverse the trend?
      There are other questions, but these pop into mind right now.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 9:07pm

      Hey Billy,

      Did you know you are so impactful that you have been assigned your very own troll?

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 11:16pm

      Hey COPATRIOTS

      Yes, thanks for the heads up, OKIE also alerted me to it the other day.

      Hope you are not next.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on October 31, 2011 at 1:01am

      @COPATRIOTS

      Just want to clarify that I responded in the affirmative only to the fact that I have a troll / impersonator. Not that I think I have any great impact here. I would never be that brash.

      Only liberals think that highly of themselves.

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  • biohazard23
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:10pm

    “Of course he’ll be welcome,” said Petr Chylek of Los Alamos National Lab, a noted skeptic and the conference organizer. “The purpose of our conference is to bring people with different views on climate together, so they can talk and clarify things.”

    You would NEVER hear anything remotely similar coming from an Al Gore-backed conference of climate change hacks – OOPS! I mean, er, “scientists,” and I use that term very lightly.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:28pm

      Hey Girl! Hope you’re having a great weekend! I’m feeling feisty today! LOL

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:41pm

      Hey there to you, too!! You get ‘em, my friend! I’m putting my big, fat pregnant feet up and taking it easy tonight. After all, it’s freezing down here! I think it’s going to be 63 chilly degrees this evening. Tee hee!! :)

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:52pm

      LOL @ 63 degrees on a global warming debate! Take it easy, Girlfriend! I’ve brought a little humor to the dialog so feel free to laugh at my intensity! And for goodness sakes, have that man get you a bowl of ice cream! LOL

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 8:45pm

      I would, but my OB wouldn’t like that. Maybe a bowl of Greek yogurt and fruit instead! I’m off to bed in a bit. Gotta get up early for work. Talk to ya later, and keep up the good and funny work. Toodles!!

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  • TexOkie
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:08pm

    More settled science?

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    • Tradition Dies Here
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:17pm

      One again, a basic misunderstanding of the nature of science on the blaze board. Science is never ultimately settled, and what is largely regarded as established fact, is still always being analyzed and tested.

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    • Glenn in Virginia
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:27pm

      The “settled science” once was that the Earth is flat and that the Sun, Moon, stars and everything else revolve around the Earth.

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    • Tradition Dies Here
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:09pm

      No, the notion that the earth was flat was not a scientific one. It was actually promoted and allowed to thrive during the Dark Ages as a result of the repression of knowledge by the Church, The Ancient Greeks, long preceding the Dark Ages, came to the conclusion that the earth was in fact round. Also, most learned individuals during the early renaissance also knew the earth wasn’t flat. The idea that the earth is not the center of the universe, and that the earth is round stems from science, and the attempts to quell this knowledge, religion.

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    • Tradition Dies Here
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 8:01pm

      Surely you’ll roll your eyes upon seeing these links, but considering I’m allowed 1500 characters per comment, there is nothing I could write to sway you that climate change is real and there are human factors contributing to it. The data, facts, and stats are all there, and they are derived from peer reviewed sources.

      http://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq

      http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/index.html#ggo

      http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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  • doc00017
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:08pm

    Tell the east coast and millions without power if they think the globe is warming.

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    • Tradition Dies Here
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:14pm

      Of course that isn’t how global warming works. It doesn’t signify no more snow or cold weather, but rather more extreme weather in general, of both kinds. Also, its a relatively slow process.

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  • Tradition Dies Here
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:08pm

    Get ready for an abundance of ignorant and ill-found comments by a group of people who are totally ignorant on the issue and science of climatologists.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:23pm

      Oh look a pretentious azz showed up.

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    • dontbotherme
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:27pm

      Tradition: Shall we also make ready for a commenter whose overrated opinions of himself belie the fact that he is intolerant of those having an opposing viewpoint to such an extreme that he must resort to mockery and name calling?

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:32pm

      Hey Dier,

      Did the dinosaurs drive cars? Just wondering how we had oceans in the desert and then and Ice Age….. Please, oh please, wise one, we need and long for you to impart your wisdom and expertise on us.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:46pm

      Here we go, another elitist who has all the answers,you don‘t know what you’re talking about so pipe down.I‘ll listen to the climatologists who have no agenda and they’ve concluded,man made global warming is a hoax.

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    • Tradition Dies Here
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:11pm

      I look at your name – “Progressive Slayer.” I look at this line of your comment: “I‘ll listen to the climatologists who have no agenda and they’ve concluded,man made global warming is a hoax.” And I laugh at the irony.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:31pm

      Should we believe you, DIER, as well as narcissistic, money-hungry Al Gore or…..should we believe 31,000 scientists? Oh, I already know, you will deny the sources. Because a fact-based person such as yourself would never let real science or facts stand in your way.

      Hmmmm…..you and Al against 31,000 scientists with no agenda. Add to that our own God-endowed common sense. What or Who should we believe?

      http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=64734

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/2053842/Scientists-sign-petition-denying-man-made-global-warming.html

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:35pm

      Dies here: No irony their, I listen to both sides of the argument and based on the fraud that the warmers used to bolster their theory of man made global warming ie cooking the books to give validity to their claims against the other side,thousands of scientists that say man made global warming is a hoax,I believe the scientists who don‘t ’cook the books’ to bolster their claim.

      Of course you’re free to believe whatever crack pot theory you wish,I’ll believe scientists with integrity.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:10pm

      We see your true colors…..COWARD LIVES HERE. I understand, darling…..it must be so difficult to defend the obvious hypocrisy.

      Here’s the thing….you are smart, you are a thinking person. What is the agenda? Why do they want to push lies on people? Follow the cap and trade money initiative, sweet thing If you are right and we are wrong, what will money (via cap and trade) really do for the situation? And, even if you honestly believe politicians would spend it wisely, what impact do you really think humans would have….notably if only a tiny segment agreed to be taxed? Question more than the talking points. You are truly better than that.

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    • Tradition Dies Here
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:13pm

      Wrong again. Over 98% of scientists in RELEVANT fields accept that the earth is warming, and it is largely due to human actions. Many of the scientists who signed the petition do no work in the field of the earth sciences, and consist of engineers etc. In fact, over 89,000 scientists REFUSED to sign the petition.

      http://local-warming.blogspot.com/2008/05/31000-scientists-dont-believe-in-global.html

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:23pm

      You have yet to answer one of my questions. How can you possibly know that man causes global warming with our industry over a mere 100 years if the planet has been around for billions of years? How did we have an Ice Age? How were there oceans in the desert? Even if the earth is in a cooling cycle for whatever reason, how can you possibly think man has anything to do with it? Think! Well, unless you are currently paid or the prof is giving credit for posts that tote the agenda. In which case, your further arguments will be forgiven.

      Can you say “pwned”?

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:32pm

      P.S. Really, REALLY, bad sourcing, darling, which absolutely does not help your case. Nice try though. I’m just asking you to think for your very own self. Think about who is pushing the agenda. Think about WHY they are pushing it. Think about the failed science already proven. Think about what you know to be true from history and science. Do you really think that cars and plastic bags are going to ruin the planet? In a mere 100 or so years since the Industrial Revolution. Please tell me you are not that indoctrinated and naive.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:42pm

      And Darling, if, IF, you are correct and 89,000 refused to sign…..why do you think that is? Did you go to university? Do you know that grant money came from the government for those who supported global warming? 89,000 potentially “refusing” to sign only means they were 1) didn’t want the gravy train check to end or 2) weren‘t sure what side of this to actually take because they didn’t know any better. I do not disagree we should be good stewards of the earth. Liberals took something good and turned it into an agenda to make you feel guilty, love “mother earth” and tax you more. You are so obviously smarter than believing the standard hype. Hugs! And out for now.

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    • capn pike
      Posted on October 31, 2011 at 12:04am

      here’s a little ditty for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Miv4NHsDo I give you the late great George Carlin. Thank me. ” The Planets not going anywhere. We are”

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  • survivorseed
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:07pm

    Well there goes his membership to the Koch funded “lets kill the earth” society. Look for this man to be attacked and ridiculed by the good folks at fox.

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  • doc00017
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:05pm

    Who paid him off the Obama admin.,Gore,the Scientific Community?

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    • Tradition Dies Here
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:09pm

      How cynical you are.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:41pm

      How deceived and blinded you are, Dier

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 30, 2011 at 7:00pm

      Eisenhower warned of the academic-government complex right after he warned of the industrial government complex. It was in the same speech. He said government money could corrupt academia. How right he was.

      So Doc00017 has a right to be skeptical.

      Al Gore defunded people he didn’t like during the Clinton presidency. So all you are hearing is the the choir that you & Al want to here. I hope you are not female. He might show you his 2nd chakra.

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  • Ssenkrad
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:05pm

    Yeah right, more like “Tons of money turns Skeptic into a believer”. There’s no evidence; and even if there was global warming, it wouldn’t matter what we do, we wouldn’t be able to change it.

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  • Annie Fields
    Posted on October 30, 2011 at 5:02pm

    So… HuffPo will be writing a GLOWING piece on the Koch brothers now, welcoming them into the fold, right?

    Yeah.

    Grass is blue and the sky is green.

    Again, like Glenn said, everything’s gotten turned around where what was solid was liquid and what was liquid was solid.

    Holy cr*p.

    Feel the acceleration, gang?

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