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Leading Social Conservative Suggests Foul Play in Ron Paul Victory at Values Voter Summit

Did Ron Paul Supporters Stuff the Ballot Box at VVS?

Texas Rep. Ron Paul grabbed another straw poll victory Saturday at the Values Voter Summit, winning by a healthy margin ahead of runner-up Herman Cain and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum. However, the National Journal now reports that an organizer for the annual Washington gathering of social conservatives has suggested that ballot-stuffing may have “skewed the results:”

“In a press conference following the announcement of the straw poll results at the annual Washington gathering of social conservatives, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins all but dismissed the results as irrelevant, citing 600 people who registered Saturday morning and, he said, ‘left after Ron Paul spoke.’

A total of 1,983 ballots were cast. ‘You do the math,’ Perkins said.”

Paul’s victory at the summit came as a surprise considering his hardline libertarian views have at times been at odds with the views of social conservatives in regards to drug laws and gay marriage. Furthermore, Paul came in second-to-last at the very same contest only one year ago.

Critics have taken Paul’s string of straw-poll victories with a grain of salt, arguing that Paul packs the electorate at these events with diehard supporters:

“Perkins said his organization did  ’everything to preserve the integrity of this straw poll,’ including denying campaigns from buying blocks of tickets, ‘which they attempted to do this year.’ But Santorum on Friday seemed dubious, and told National Journal that his success in the polls would depend ‘on how many people, how many campaigns, tried to buy a bunch of tickets and try to stack the poll, which unfortunately happens.’”

Only those who registered and paid to attend the conference were allowed to vote. The New York Times reports that the fee was $99 for the entire three-day meeting, or $75 for a single day, and $50 for students.

While critics may suggest ballot-stuffing, Paul’s speech before the straw poll results were announced argued that his staunch fiscal conservatism, opposition to war and defense of liberty, were in tune with family values and the Bible.

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  • Stoic one
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:58pm

    The only poll that means anything is the primary in the state which you are registered in. Until then this is “Getting to know you, getting to know all about you” time for the candidates.

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    • IntegrityFirst08
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:10pm

      Oh good lord here come all the Paulies again.

      IntegrityFirst08  
    • ccr
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:16pm

      Apparently SOME Paul supporters aren’t that concerned with integrity……

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    • metalurgy
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:26pm

      Or non-Paul supporters are poor sports and putting out accusations to discredit his success in spite of the “integrity” of the contest.

      Sounds like sore losers to me.

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    • IntegrityFirst08
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:31pm

      I mean is it fact yet that this actually happened? Its not quite news if its not fact yet. With 600 registered voters 1983 votes casted? Am I missing something here? So are they saying they are fraudulous votes, or the Paulies just came in with the cash on the last day for a student fee and bought the extra votes?

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:38pm

      Paul has money and rabid supporters. Anything is possible.

      But the thing is, this is so irrelevant it is a joke! I will give Paul the win just as a matter of course. Good going Ron Paul! You won it!

      Now, let‘s see if this makes any difference in the next week’s polling…Paul has remained at a flat 11%. See if this gains him any traction. I predict a point or two, but he is going nowhere fast. That will, of course, be blamed on some big neo-con conspiracy…O’Reilly did it…Whatever…

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:36pm

      Libertarianism is to American democracy what oxygen is to breathimg. You can’t do without oxygen, but a 100% oxygen environment can be quite corrosive.

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    • S_Malc13
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:03pm

      I am an avid Paul supporter. I, a former USAF member, have integrity also. If there turns out to be foul play, I will concede. I gotta say though, it’s not our style to do such a thing. Regardless of who wins, we condemn voter fraud.

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    • BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:18pm

      Herman Cain is the man that will become the next GREAT president of the United States. He Is a born leader! Just listen to the man speak @ the voter values conference. I don‘t give trust to anyone easily and I don’t trust anyone who is a politician, but Herman Cain is the ONLY candidate who is solid, makes sense, is clear, and who does not seem to be warped by the political machine known formally as the GOP. He is a REPUBLIC…an and an American that reflects (I believe) the sentiments of the majority of Americans in our Great country!,,,, He will win the nomination!!!!

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    • RabidPatriot
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:22pm

      I have noticed that many Ron Paul supporters conduct themselves like liberals rather than libertarians.

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    • CatB
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:31pm

      Paul supporters . Obama supporters … more alike than not!

      TEA!

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    • Anarcho Capitalist
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:41pm

      I can’t believe people would just show up and vote for a guy like its some kind of straw poll. Foul play is a foot and I think its this article by the blaze.

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    • LibertarianForLife
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:33pm

      I love how the blaze makes this story more important then the story announcing that he won it.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:35pm

      IntegrityFirst08
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:31pm

      I mean is it fact yet that this actually happened? Its not quite news if its not fact yet. With 600 registered voters 1983 votes casted? Am I missing something here?
      =====================================================

      You are indeed missing something:

      “citing 600 people who registered Saturday morning and, he said, ‘left after Ron Paul spoke.’”

      Where does it say that there were only 600 registered voters?

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    • Servant Of YHVH
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:41am

      @ccr
      I’ve seen and know people that are for all of the different candidates that have “supporters aren’t that concerned with integrity……” I‘ve seen people with the Family Research Council that couldn’t step up if they were all asked for everyone with integrity to step forward.

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    • coindexter
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:59am

      yes…while i was smoking my pipe with thurston howell the third and having a glass of brandy…we social conservatives at our gathering of elites have decided that since OUR guy didn’t win that the results are to be dismissed as irrelevent…mmmmnnnnnyessssss. what a bunch of p[ssant ninnies. republicRATS…shut up already.

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    • coindexter
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:03am

      good job trolltrainer…while ron paul has remained flat at around 11-13% your guy perry sank from 40% to about 8% and your precious bachman sank from 34% to about 3%. watcha’ got now pal. p.s. i’m not a “paulie”…i just see it for what it is.

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    • Angela
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:25am

      What I find interesting is how Glenn proclaims to be libertarian and yet goes out of his way to discredit the only person who is anti-establishment. Glenn is so conflicted bt his neo-conism and looking at the true facts. He is always contradicting himself and plays both sides of the coin to keep his audience.

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    • mad_hatter
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 5:18am

      Here is Ron Paul’s full speech: http://www.americanparchment.com/video/2011/oct/occupy_hijacked.html

      Strong, with biblical passages, but he has never been a Social Conservative hero. That is why I think there may have been some ballot filling, like most other straw polls.

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    • mad_hatter
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 5:23am

      Sorry, wrong link, his speech was at: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/oct/paul_values_summit.html

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    • mad_hatter
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 6:15am

      Ron Paul‘s speech couldn’t stand up against Herman Cain‘s as well as Romney’s. They are both strong leaders, businessman, and are possible nominees, Paul isn’t.

      Here is Romney’s full speech: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/oct/romney_values_summit.html

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 7:05am

      The argument here is 600 people supposedly “voted and left after Ron Paul”, so therefore the poll is invalid? The only person who is worth listening to is the good doctor. He knows economics, he understands freedom, he PREDICTED THE HOUSING BUBBLE, PREDICTED THE HOUSING BUBBLE, of course though, those things are not important.

      If he doesn’t hate Muslims, he is no conservative of mine, right Blazers???

      Wow, the MSM is seriously threatened by the good doctor.

      What is more disgusting is, the Blaze again doing its best to “downplay” in Glenn Beck’s own words “The man who comes closest to our Founders”.

      I can surely say after this day I will not support the Blaze any longer for perpetuating what is an obvious bias against a candidate.

      All of the people who fall for this garbage I will also say, you can rot when we have a currency crisis.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:52am

      Poindexter is a rabid troll! How can I tell? He claims Perry is “my” guy. Where have I said that. This is the problem with the Paul-bots, they have to create their own argument to beat. They make wild accusations that have no bearing on reality.

      Good job Poindexter, you just showed the Blaze how ignorant you are. Troll-be-gone.

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    • AZindependent
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:32am

      Remember they canceled the Texas Straw Poll, because they were worried Paul would beat Perry. The only vote that will really matter are the real primary elections next year. These buy in events, are almost as worthless as a CNN poll.

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    • Jefferson
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:44am

      Ron Paul has the MOST military donations out of ALL OF THEM, INCLUDING Ohmamma.
      He is the MOST conservative, and unwavering candidate in the race.
      The ONLY one who has a 25+ year record of FIDELITY to his oath to the Constitution.
      Never flip flopped. Never sold out. Never changed his opinion to which ever way the political winds blew.
      He’s the ONLY one who PREDICTED the financial crisis, when Cain and the others were saying there was none.
      He is the ONLY man with integrity on that stage. He is a CHAMPION where the others are CHAMELEONS.
      No one enjoys more respect from the general public than Ron Paul. The guy is a freakin ROCK STAR, but is as humble and classy as can be.
      Vote for someone else at your own peril. You have been warned. You will only have yourselves to blame, when you vote for another phony conservative RINO, and this country continues to do a double front flip into the crapper.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muf23Rc7HV8&NR=1

      No one “stuffed” any ballot box. If you want to see people stuffing the ballot box, just look at the Romney supporters doing it in Florida, in the last election’s straw poll. There’s half a dozen different videos of these creeps corrupting the process.
      Ron Paul supporters PRIDE themselves on INTEGRITY.
      THAT’S WHY WE WANT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION!!!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJROxPSFKY4&feature=related

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    • tarkus
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:36am

      “Libertarianism is to American democracy what oxygen is to breathimg. You can’t do without oxygen, but a 100% oxygen environment can be quite corrosive.”

      So you want to mix in socialism and fascism, Islesfordian? The Founding Fathers were individualists…it’s what the country was founded on. Libertarianism allows individualism to grow and flourish.

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    • nigh_eve
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:58pm

      For ALL of you who don’t think Cain is the best man for the job — check this out.

      On September 1, 2008, Cain said the economy was in great shape:
      http://004eeb5.netsolhost.com/hc126.htm

      Less than 2 weeks later:

      – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taken over by the U.S. government (Sept. 7);
      – Merrill Lynch was sold to Bank of America;
      – Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy;
      – The Fed bailed out AIG;
      – Washington Mutual was sold to JP MorganChase;
      – Treasury Secretary Paulson said the economy was so bad that $700 billion must be spent on bailouts immediately…

      (h/t: http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/one-week-before-collapse-cain-says-economy-great/)

      Cain supported TARP. He definitely knows a problem when he sees it!! (/sarcasm off)

      Is CAIN is the right man to turn this economy around? I think not.

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:00pm

      Most of the NeoCon objections can be responded to with: What does the Constitution say?

      Make them admit that they are against the Constitution on whether the federal government has a say on marriage or whether they can tell you what you can put into your own body.

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    • bdburck
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:04pm

      when the saints come marchin in, oh when the Ron Paul saints come marchin in.

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    • junkmaninohio
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:06pm

      Paul supporters skewed the Bill O‘Rielly poll results as well forcing O’Reilly to scrap the entire polling result. The Paul fanatics can’t win in the arena of ideas so they resort to Acorn like tactics and stuff the ballot boxes at will. Tells me this group and their God (Paul) are real creepy folks. Kind of like a Jim Jones type cult.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:19pm

      SOUR
      GRAPES

      Ron Paul 2012

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    • Cause4Liberty
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:26pm

      With all the Paul bashers on here it‘s ridiculous that they ignore the key word in this article’s headline, “Leading Social Conservative suggests…” Who gives a flying ‘F’ what a ‘socialist’ conservative thinks or says. It’s all about what you and your state believe. Your choice, your opinion. It’s funny that many spout what Ron Paul has clearly stated for over 20+ years, but insists on discrediting him for the apparel of the corporate media. If you want more flip-flopping candidates feeding from the trough of special interests, feel free. I will think for myself and will not enable any talking heads, on any news network, with the power of control over my mind. Say what you will, I believe we are already living in the Zombification of society. Wake Up!

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    • Vindex.Dogood
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:06pm

      You know you are winning the debate when your opponent resorts to name calling.
      Paulies
      Paul-bots
      Paulbots
      Paulianna’s
      Paul freak
      Paul Hippies
      Paulyannas

      This seems to be a right out of the liberal playbook.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:57pm

      @JunkManInOhio

      Didn‘t Bill O also throw out the Cain results from that same poll because Cain’s supporters “skewed” the vote…..Yes sir he did….

      Ron Paul supporters, keep the good fight of truth up. Tell someone new everyday. Good job! 

      1983 ballots cast
      Paul = 37% 734
      Cain = 23% 456
      Santorum = 16% 317
      Perry = 8% 159
      Bachman = 8% 159
      Romney = 4% 79
      Gingrich = 3% 60
      Huntsman = 0% 19

      600/1983 = .30% so 7% stayed to hear some of the others apparently. 

      Because 30% of the casted ballots left after Ron Paul spoke and voted it is skewed? 

      I wonder if 400 left after Cain spoke and voted….Did this guy actually count 600 people leaving at once….Either way, he is just upset his candidate did not turn out more voters…..

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    • sambachico
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:13pm

      Nice smear job from theblaze. For as much as Glenn Beck rallied against the fed while at fox and followed Ron Paul’s lead, it appears he’s much more concerned about his own political survival since he lost that gig and has done everything he can to appeal to mainstream establishment candidates. For all of Cain’s pluses on his speaking ability, those choosing Cain over Paul are simply choosing style over substance. Cain has a genuine personality that I appreciate and has leadership qualities, but he will continue to bring the status quo by keeping the same banking cartel in place that has ransacked the country since 1913. Go do your research as Glenn says. I’m voting Paul on substance and my conscience. I’ve been a registered Republican since 1999/2000 and voted Bush in my first election; I’ve also never abused any drugs (Marujuana or even nicotine). I have a family of five with my wife and I simply want a better future for my children; also Presbyterian. I’m a VP Engineering at the company I work for and write linux kernel driver software for Atheros radios. I do not appreciate the continued derogatory comments about Paul supporters in general. I‘ve met only a few Paul supporters who were hard core libertarian’s who were in it for the drugs, the rest are more about preserving our constitution and voting for someone they can trust against the banking cartel who runs our country through their henchmen and pressure groups.

      Ron Paul 2012 or the Establishmen

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    • April
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 11:29pm

      I guess simple math and reading the article eludes many Ron Paul fans to make it look like the Blaze and everyone else, I know someone else who likes fuzzy math too. To spell it out: ONLY those registered and paid for the event can vote = 600. 1983 voted. 734 voted for Ron Paul. They skewed the straw poll, its pretty easy to see. btw straw polls are to get recognized, he needs to win on his ideas, he’s run for President 3 times, there’s a problem when you have to skew straw polls.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:43am

      @April

      All straw polls require being registered and payment to vote, don’t they? Were was the outrage when Herman Cain voters “skewed” the last poll he won? Or was it not “skewed” because it was not Ron Paul…..All these folks are doing by saying “skewed” when it is Ron Paul is showing they do not want to hear the People. It only confirms the two headed progressive snake, Democrats and Republicans. 

      I sure wish a poll would be conducted of who would win out of Obama vs Cain vs Ron Paul. Or Obama vs Romney vs Ron Paul. I could almost guarantee Ron Paul would poll ahead in all. Progressives would split between the parties and Americans would vote Ron Paul.  Ron Paul would get 40% to the others 30%. 

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    • slimster
      Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:24am

      Well These straw polls help bring awareness to a candidate. So they are important to arouse excitement and get people to vote for a person they wouldn’t have other wise known about. Which leads to more votes in the primaries.

      I don’t understand how this is a bad thing- “Critics have taken Paul’s string of straw-poll victories with a grain of salt, arguing that Paul packs the electorate at these events with diehard supporters:”
      It shouldn’t necessarily be taken with a grain of salt. instead it should make people think, “why does this guy have so many die hard supporters?” Paul has been doing really well in all the polls and that is because a lot of people want him to win. it is not a bad thing. Every candidate does things to try to win. Paul has a lot of people willing and trying to do things to help him win.

      Check out Paul’s statement on faith, it is very good! http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/statement-of-faith/

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 10, 2011 at 4:17pm

      @Vindex.Dogood:

      You forgot “Paulistinians”.

      One that I’ll coin here, and you may note that I am a Ron Paul supporter: “Paultroons”.

      Thank you, thank you… I’m here until Friday.

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  • LouC57
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:50pm

    Although, I DO VERY MUCH admire Paul’s stance on the Constitution.

    Otherwise, YUK

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:09pm

      Does this mean that Herman Cain won another one? I hope so.

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    • Shasta
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:25pm

      I second that.

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    • CatB
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:32pm

      @THE-MONK

      Yes!

      TEA!

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:49pm

      I watched Cain’s speech there. I’ve never heard anyone channel the power and charisma of reagan like he did. Charming, witty, philosophically pointed and passionate with an optimistic missionary vision. His call to restore the city on the hill is powerfull.

      The guy knows how to LEAD!! No one else has that. Romney is slick with all the right answers (though I wonder how much of them he believes). Newt and Santorum are smart and I’m sure they will know the right thing to do. Perry..I honestly don’t know. Michelle is a good cheerleader for Capitol Hill, but I’m not sure that translates to the White House. Paul only sounds like a contrarian against the awful state of our democracy. He’s right on so many things, but I have no confidence he could lead us out of the morass we’re in. Cain, on the other hand, has the passion and vision to LEAD America. I sense real courage in him. Not bravado, but courage.

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:58pm

      Cain has a lot of charisma, I’ll give you that.

      But if you look at where he’s coming FROM (KC Fed Chairman, etc.,) you can see clearly where he’s GOING.

      I don’t want him leading us any farther in THAT direction.

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:36am

      @ The-Monk
      That’s how I read it! “Do the Math — Herman Cain Solves the Problem”

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    • Giveitrevolution
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:27pm

      Cain is against an audit of the fed you clowns. What does that say? Your all fools by bashing Paul. Its all right in front of you! A guy who has the best record and have been there 10 xs as long as any of those NWO puppets on the stage and you still wanna bash Paul?! You all love the NWO puppets.

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    • sweetconcern
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:52pm

      Maybe you should Love the Revolution by Dr. Ron Paul, He is a very devout Baptist and does not wear it on his shoulders. He believes in the BIBLE and the consitution of the USA to the LETTER. He was the only TRUE lifetime christian of the whole bunch at the summit straw pole. The vote was on electronic machine and could not be STUFFED. Ther are a few of us out here in America who are praying and watching this campaign. We will make the BEST choice for our country. Ron Paul so far.

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  • LouC57
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:49pm

    Ron Paul

    YUK

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  • cassandra
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:45pm

    Ron Paul is the only one telling the truth, and he WILL bring us back to the Constitution and make this country great again I love Ron Paul,

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    • CoSkiTeacher
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:58pm

      The Paulbots are just the disaffected Obama supporters and Anarchists that want free drugs. Who didn’t know that this straw poll was scammed by them? Paul will never be POTUS so all the Ne Nazis can go home.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:10pm

      @cassandra
      Please tell me one lie that Herman Cain has uttered.

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    • metalurgy
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:30pm

      @ kostkiteacher

      Nope. Not one Ron Paul supporter has voted nor ever supported B.O.

      You are trying to discredit Paul just like the election judge who controlled the “ballot integrity”. Don’t like the results so you look for excuses under every rock and bare false witness with no basis in fact.

      Keep voting for RINO’s.

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    • Phoenixsoulfire
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:43pm

      @cassandra

      It is that truth that scares me. He doesn’t care if Iran gets Nukes. Iran believes Israel needs to be wiped off the earth so if you are for that that means you are against the children of God and that my friend is a no no

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    • Secessionista
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:07pm

      @The Monk: He feigned fake racism over Perry’s rock. That is a lie, Cain told it. Perry is a turd too, but there was no reason for Cain to sink to the level of a politician. Cain was not offended, and if he is so smart, he knows Perry was not guilty of any slight against any race.

      Paul would never do such a thing, and Paul will always tell the truth, even if you don’t like it.

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    • OllieK
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:20pm

      He said he supports the protesting useful idiots. This is why he is almost universally seen as a kook and a moron. There, I’ve said it. You Paulianna’s just gotta get a life. He is not “The One.” OK? Now go to your room.

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    • Jezreel
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:22pm

      Pheonix soldier, read your bible. The God of Heaven will fight for Israel. The suvival of Israel is up to God, NOT the United States. The United States will alway be an ally but we need to keep our big noses out and away from other nations like the founding fathers intended this nation to be. Too many religious people put confidence in the flesh. This is abhorrent to God. The United States can’t save itself unless we get it together.
      We do not need establishment candidates like Perry and Romney. The Fox News media thinks that they can push who they want us to vote for on us. Not anymore. If Ron Paul is elected president, the nation will heal much faster and I am not a Ron Paul freak. I also love Herman Cain and like Bachman too.

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    • Speedward
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:10pm

      I‘m consider myself conservative and I’m voting Ron Paul. I think a lot of his ideas cross party lines appealing to many voters. For that reason I think he has a chance at the presidency. If he wins I know we can reverse the trend of diminishing freedom in the United States. I believe a lot of people are characterizing Ron Paul supporters as far leftists.

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    • RoccoT
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 5:09am

      Every Libertarian I’ve ever met or listened to was fixated on one goal: legalizing drugs. Tell that to a boy when his family was wiped out from a guy smoking pot and driving a car.

      I remember these Paul Hippies in the last election. It was the same pattern. Invade the comment sections and proclaim victory all the time. I guess if you’re sitting around at home all the time and smoking pot, you’ve got nothing better to do than talk off topic all the time.

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    • KTsayz
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:12am

      Ollik – prove that. I want the link that says Paul supports them. Thank you.

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    • Giveitrevolution
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:38pm

      RP does not want Iran to have nukes your smearing with lies…what all you politically inclined do best. Go ahead…vote for your NWO puppets you fools!

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  • PoliticalJunkieToo
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:44pm

    I would vote for Paul (first choice IF he can win) then Herman Cain. I could also support Santorum, Gingrich and Bachman and Gary Johnson.

    I do NOT support the BIGGEST REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY candidates Romney(Care) or Perry or Huntsman nor would I have voted for that HUGE RINO Chris Christie if his Climate Change/No 2nd Amendment/Muslim judge appointing behind had thrown his hat into the ring.

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    • metalurgy
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:31pm

      Yup.

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    • slr4528
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:59pm

      Romneycare-great talking point.

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    • marjorie faye
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:26pm

      Who cares about straw polls.

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    • demint.disciple
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:44am

      @KTsayz.. Just google this …“ Ron Paul says he supports the occupy wall st protesters” and tons of links come up.. He said it believe me, and if you don’t, then google it..

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  • PoliticalJunkieToo
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:41pm

    The Ron Paul voters did NOT vote for Herman Cain who came in SECOND, so CAIN is the real winner here.

    The ELITE republicans (Bill O”Rielly/Dana Perino/Carl Rove/Charles Krauthammer, etc. and the LSM are just pissed off THEIR RINO Romney didn’t make the cut.

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    • ILUVAMERICA
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:53pm

      Herman Cain got all the votes from the others and Ron Paul still WON!! HAHAHA
      NONE of you GET IT!
      You can’t railroad us into voting the way you use to! HAHAHA
      They are all running scared!!! Dem and Rep!!! HAHAHA
      WE are the 53% HAHAHA
      Herman Cain WORKED FOR THE FED!!!! KANSAS CITY MO
      DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:17pm

      Cain has my vote.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:20pm

      @PoliticalJunkieToo
      Check out Herman Cain’s resume… it will take at least 2 posts.

      Written by Joe Lovell on 03 October 2011
      I don’t think we have ever had a presidential candidate with this level of experience. I challenge the current president to produce such a list!
      Herman Cain is running for president. He’s not a career politician (in fact he has never held political office). He’s known as a pizza guy, but there’s a whole lot more to him; he’s also a computer guy, a banker guy, and a rocket scientist guy. Here’s his bio:
      Bachelors degree in Mathematics.
      Master’s degree in Computer Science.
      Mathematician for the Navy, where he worked on missile ballistics (making him a rocket scientist).
      Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola.
      VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury (this is the top of the ladder in the computer world, being in charge of information systems for a major corporation).
      All achieved before reaching the age of 35. Since he reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers!
      Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsbury’s 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the company’s poorest performers in the country. Spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years he had turned them into the company’s best performers.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:20pm

      Part 2…
      Godfather’s Pizza CEO. Was asked by Pillsbury to take charge of their Godfather’s Pizza chain (which was on the verge of bankruptcy). He made it profitable in 14 months.
      In 1988 he led a buyout of the Godfather’s Pizza chain from Pillsbury. He was now the owner of a restaurant chain. Again he reached the top of the ladder of another industry.
      Cain was also chairman of the National Restaurant Association during this time. This is a group that interacts with government on behalf of the restaurant industry, and it gave him political experience from the non-politician side.
      Having reached the top of a second industry, he changed careers again!
      Adviser to the Federal Reserve System. Herman Cain went to work for the Federal Reserve Banking System advising them on how monetary policy changes would affect American businesses.
      Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve Bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system.
      After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time!
      Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak on leadership. His books include Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common Sense, and Th

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:27pm

      Part 3….
      After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time!
      Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak on leadership. His books include Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common Sense, and They Think You’re Stupid.
      Radio Host. Around 2007—after a remarkable 40 year career—he started hosting a radio show on WSB in Atlanta (the largest talk radio station in the country).
      He did all this starting from rock bottom (his father was a chauffeur and his mother was a maid).
      When you add up his accomplishments in his life—including reaching the top of three unrelated industries: information systems, business management, and banking—Herman Cain may have the most impressive resume of anyone that has run for the presidency in the last half century.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:35pm

      The Monk writes:

      “Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsbury’s 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the company’s poorest performers in the country. Spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years he had turned them into the company’s best performers.”
      ————————————————————-

      I am glad you chose to post this, not too many people know this about Cain! He has tried to bury his skeletons but it has finally come out. He actually managed Burger King restaurants! You know what that makes him?

      a Buildaburger!

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    • MARCH4HIM
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:45pm

      Well…I know CAINE…wont get the nomination Now…
      thanks for letting the cat out of the bag…
      HE’S OVER QUALIFIED….

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    • MARCH4HIM
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:58pm

      Good one TT… that went right over my head …the first time I read it.
      wushhh

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    • slr4528
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:04pm

      I like Cain but people also need to seriously look at Romney‘s resume and not the MSM media’s liberal talking points. Then you would perhaps understand why people like me keep defending Romney from baseless attacks. Yes Romney unfortunately has a political record unlike Cain, but Romney has 25 years of experience in the private sector with a variety of companies,not just food service.

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    • kung
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:26pm

      Paulyannas aren’t helping their candidate by stuffing these ballot boxes. Everyone knows they’ve been doing it. And so the big story here is that Cain finished second place ahead of the GOP establishment’s candidates Romney and Perry. The Cain train rolls on. Get on or get out of the way!

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:29pm

      I made up my mind about Romney in 2007-8, thanks anyway.

      If he wins the primary, which I have little doubt he will, I will vote for him in the general election. But I am sick and tired of the status quo, which is why I lean more towards Paul than even Cain. I want someone who is going to try and strip the federal government. I do not care how much it hurts initially, it is like a boil that needs popped or a cancer that needs cut out. Sure, unemployment will initially rise, the stock market will stampede…But it needs done…now.

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    • MARCH4HIM
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:13pm

      I’ll vote for Ron Paul…If thats the guy everybody is on board with..but I’m not sure he would be able to beat Obama in the general election,his Ideas of limited govement are good. his ideas of the military is what will hurt him.Thats the feeling I’m seeing.

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:26pm

      Take this:

      “Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve Bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system.”

      Add this:

      “Some people say we ought to audit the Federal Reserve. Here’s what I do know. The Federal Reserve already has so many internal audits it’s ridiculous. I don‘t know why people think we’re going to learn this great amount of information by auditing the Federal Reserve…. Here‘s the advice I’ve given to people who are worried about an audit of the Federal Reserve. Call them up and ask them! You can stop by and have one of their P.R. people or one of their public relations people explain to you how the Federal Reserve operates. I think a lot of people are calling for this audit of the Federal Reserve because they don’t know enough about it. There’s no hidden secrets going on in the Federal Reserve to my knowledge. And I tell people, we’ve got 12 Federal Reserve Banks. Find out which district you are in, call them up and go from there. We don’t need to waste money with another commission or an audit. That is not necessary because folks, we‘ve got a lot of other problems we’ve got to worry about.”

      Stir in some of this:

      “… I wish tha

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:27pm

      … Continued

      Stir in some of this:

      “… I wish that was all. Its not. You could write a book just on how poor the coverage has been of the alleged housing bubble. The media have been foretelling a massive bust in housing prices for months now. On May 19, ABCs Elizabeth Vargas said: The run up in housing prices is now beginning to look something like the boom in Internet stocks, and we know what happened there. That kind of ignorance makes homeowners fear that their most expensive possession could turn worthless overnight.

      That wont happen. No matter how much the media compared Bush to Herbert Hoover last year, this is not the Great Depression. Now theyve given up on that failed comparison, but their coverage of the president has gotten worse. …”

      What you end up with is a picture of utter economic ignorance (not likely — he was chairman of the KC branch of the Federal Reserve, after all, and a highly successful businessman,) or someone playing “The Game” with all our lives and livelihoods.

      This is NOT the man you want as President, if you care AT ALL for the future of your country, and your children.

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:31pm

      … Continued (hopefully, not redundantly)

      Stir in some of this:

      “… I wish that was all. Its not. You could write a book just on how poor the coverage has been of the alleged housing bubble. The media have been foretelling a massive bust in housing prices for months now. On May 19, ABCs Elizabeth Vargas said: The run up in housing prices is now beginning to look something like the boom in Internet stocks, and we know what happened there. That kind of ignorance makes homeowners fear that their most expensive possession could turn worthless overnight.

      That wont happen. No matter how much the media compared Bush to Herbert Hoover last year, this is not the Great Depression. Now theyve given up on that failed comparison, but their coverage of the president has gotten worse. …”

      What you end up with is a picture of utter economic ignorance (not likely — he was chairman of the KC branch of the Federal Reserve, after all, and a highly successful businessman,) or someone playing “The Game” with all our lives and livelihoods.

      This is NOT the man you want as President, if you care AT ALL for the future of your country, and your children.

      Norm D. Plume  
    • reform
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 6:12am

      Monk it doesn’t matter what you post about Mr. Cain, you have to remember like the paulies say he worked for the feds, you know we are dumb and are falling for Mr. Cains crap. Its funny we don’t do our research, and fall in line with them, you know Dr. Paul is the only one who speaks the truth. Me thinks the next straw poll we need to stack it in favor of Mr.Cain and then leave you know cause the rest just suck!!!

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    • demint.disciple
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:47am

      @ILUVAMERICA…. It’s “ USED to” not use to…

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    • YepImaConservative
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:51am

      >MARCH4HIM. Hardly anyone in a General Election would be on board with Ron Paul. That’s been proven. So he won’t even get close to the nomination. BUT… If Paul WERE the nominee, “BIG IF”, Republicans might “BIG MIGHT”… get behind him ONLY to get Obama out of office. I know I would hold my nose and vote for him. On the other hand, his supporters won‘t vote for the Republican nominee if it’s someone other than him. They would rather have 4 more years of Obama and stick their tongues out like the pot smoking children that they are.

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    • Giveitrevolution
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:41pm

      Oh yea yea check out Cains resume…ha! Why dont you check out this video and shut your mouth…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiAkeFJXwUk

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  • endgamer
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:28pm

    Anything to discredit him.. Do they have proof? And if they left and didn’t vote then there would have been a WIDER margin of victory.. So what if Ron Paul got 37% of the votes. Wheres all the Rick Perry Herman Cain & Romney supporters? They were there too..If they don’t REALLY have the support and the media is forcing them down our throat, MAYBE we’re turning off the media.. I get my information on the internet and not form any major news source. Sore losers.. Ron has quietly won MOST straw polls and most of the debate polls by a WIDE margin.. FOX pulled BOTH poll results after Ron Paul spanked EVERY candidate..

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    • bolsen00
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:45pm

      Oh come on! Everybody knows Romney doesn‘t participate in any of these straw polls because it’s just a chance for a candidate to bus people in by the hundreds to get their vote. No secret! Romney bowed out of these games long ago! Romney 2012! The real winner…definitely NOT Paul!

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    • citizen_brain
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:51pm

      This whole posting is pure speculation. The Blaze because you posted this I’ll be giving Ron Paul another large donation, and will do so every time you post articles like this about him. I urge other Ron Paul supporters to do the same every time the media ignores the mans success or if you read articles like this. He was 3rd in fundraising last quarter with over 100,000 individual donors. He receives the most donations of any candidate from military personnel and their families. Ron Paul’s books have been #1 best sellers, and i urge you to read them. You can’t understand his positions from 30 and 60 second excerpts in debates. Ron Paul 2012.

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    • BrandyWilson
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:55pm

      Look…I once supported Ron Paul …before I found out how Anti-Israel he was/is!

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    • endgamer
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:25pm

      Israel doesn’t need US unless they ASK!! They have 300 nuclear weapons and the largest and best trained military in the middle east and perhaps thew world. In some cases better than ours.. Israel can and will defend themselves and make their enemies fall to their knees and beg for mercy. They have done it time after time..Ron Paul’s stance in Israel is NON interventionist meaning the same as above.. We stay out of another sovereign nations business unless they ask for help..

      Here is Ron’s “Values Voter Summit” speech via hand held cam..
      pt 1 http://youtu.be/7qKQ1xXobJc
      pt 2 http://youtu.be/qJJDFHMs3MA

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    • reform
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 6:20am

      Yes and every time Paul sends me his money letter i just send more to Cain, as well as my family.

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    • bdburck
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:12pm

      Mitt always buses people in, they came in by the thousands by mitt’s buses in 2007 to the iowa straw poll

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  • Larry Sheldon
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:28pm

    You can be anything you want to be (note “want”).

    You just can make me or my minor children do it if I do not approve.

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  • qpwillie
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:27pm

    I said in the previous Blaze article on the subject that those poll results doesn’t mean much. It’s not the crime of the century but we all know how the Paulies are.

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  • goobert
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:25pm

    This article is BS. He won fair and square. Stop trying to diminish freedom.

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  • bharris0
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:21pm

    The best thing that Ron Paul represents is our constitution, the way it was originally written. While he would not be my first choice for president as I am considerably more conservative, I would take him over any socialist or progressive that runs from either party.
    I believe that Gary Johnson or Herman Cain would make better a president with someone like Newt, who has a lot of smarts, for VP.
    We need someone that is a strong supporter of the constitution, calling the shots with a serious problem solver like Cain or Newt as a VP. We also need a very constitutional, conservative congress to undo all of the damage that Bush and Obama, Reid and Pelosi have done to our society.

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    • modilly
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:50pm

      You like Newt? You must like the CFR, too. He’s a member. Not exactly a Conservative organization. How about his Global Warming talk with the lib a while back? He doesn’t seem to mind our open borders either.

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    • Delete the Elite
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:46pm

      What about Herman Cain? He seems like a BIG business man, just what we need! And we will protect Israel at all cost. We are already fighting wars for Israel and it is bankrupting our country, and sending are kids home in coffins, and for what? We CANNOT afford these wars any more! The soldiers want to come home. Ask them who they support. Do you support our troops decision? Look at these other candidates main contributors are, ALL big business.

      I won’t even get into his federal reserve history. We are being duped! We need to end this madness before World War pops off. With Ron Paul, America will be the safest that it has ever been. There won’t be any creepy islamics trying to convert us to sharia law, or any taliban sneaking in through mexico. This media has got you guys worked up. Go talk to Ron Paul supporters and you will see that they are all geniunely nice people.

      A conservative is for a small government, not big business like these guys. Are you a true conservative, or do you just like the title?
      We already lost a HUGE freedom when we gave the president the authorization to kill on supicion of terrorism. You hear that tea party?

      Make America AND the world a safer place, for my kids generation.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSOWV2qtrBo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
      Ketchup.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUpZhhbKUBo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

      P.S. Ron paul supporters have more integrity than to rig a poll. However that is possible.

      Let’s talk

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  • theaveng
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:17pm

    It amazes me how many on this board are ANTI freedom. You can’t be gay. You can’t get drunk marijuana (but alcohol is apparently okay). You can’t be an atheist.

    I don’t agree with everything Paul says, but he consistently side with FREEDOM to live your life however you want. That is why this country was founded damnit.

    .

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    • BrotherWill
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:22pm

      Imagine that? You can’t murder people, you can’t steal, you can’t be a prostitute. Hmmm…what do these things have in common? Oh yeah! They are all detrimental to society. Sort of like gay marriage and drugs. And btw, instead of just throwing out a straw man “can’t be atheist” comment, show met he legislation that has been written or even proposed that would outlaw atheism.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:23pm

      So if you are not a foaming-at-the-mouth, lunatic, neocon blasting, name calling Ron Paul-bot then you are anti-freedom?

      er…logic fail!

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    • LinkedIn G
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:25pm

      Got coco puffs ?

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    • xoke
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:26pm

      I don’t think that many are against freedom here. I agree with about 95% of what Ron Paul says…what gets me is when he acts like a “holier than thou” politician. He’s not. He acts as though he doesn’t like earmarks and the typical workings of Washington. Well, here is his 2009 earmark wishlist. There aren’t enough characters to list them all.

      Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice and Science:
      • $250,000 for Galveston Economic Development Partnership, for Galveston Center for Business and Technology Development to help spin off private investment at National Lab of the University of Texas Medical Branch
      • $500,000 for City of Bay City for NuBlac Rehab Center (youth rehabilitation)
      Subcommittee on Defense:
      • $3.5 million for study of health risks of exposure to vanadium
      Subcommittee on Military Construction:
      • $2 million for City of Bay City for NuBlac Rehab Center (serving minority veterans)
      Subcommittee on Energy and Water Development:
      • $41.073 million for Army Corps of Engineers to deepen and widen Texas City Channel
      • $21.6 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge and reconfigure jetties at mouth of Colorado River
      • $7.02 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge Freeport Harbor

      • $16.021 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Galveston Harbor
      • $1 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Cedar Bayou
      • $3.297 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Texas City Channel
      • $200,000 for Army C

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    • BrayDeck
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:26pm

      Point out where anybody has said these things, sir. Nobody has said “you can’t be gay.” We have said that marriage is a Godly institution that should not become a political tool for homosexuals.

      Drug legalization cannot happen until the country comes to terms with allowing those who want to destroy themselves with drugs to do so. A combination of drug legalization and the modern welfare state would lead to increasingly crushing amounts of debt.

      And if you want to be a Godless pig, you have every right to be. ;)

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    • theaveng
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:29pm

      The best way to answer your question/ statement is to quote Jefferson: ” No man has a right to harm another… and that is all the government should restrain him.” Does stealing or murder cause harm? Yes. That’s why they should be outlawed.

      But does my having a gay man as my boyfriend, or drinking beer, or smoking pot while watching Simpsons harm anyone? NO. Therefore they should be not illegal. That is Ron Paul’s stance, and I agree with him. – The problem is that a lot of you think you have a right to impose your Judeo-Christian morals upon me…. a desire to outlaw homosexuality, or pornography, or whatever else you disapprove of.

      As Jefferson said, the government has no right to outlaw these things, since they do not cause harm to anybody else.

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    • theaveng
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:30pm

      BTW

      you say no one hear what’s to outlaw Atheism, but I’ve already caught some of ye saying Muslims should be round-up and deported. (Not in the article, but others.)

      That’s just flat wrong.

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    • YepImaConservative
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:36pm

      “You can’t get drunk marijuana.”

      What fun would that be if your marijuana is already drunk? Friggin’ pot heads…

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    • theaveng
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:36pm

      BRAE:

      Marriage predates Jesus. In fact the very word itself is a Latin word that traces to 800 years before christ in the Roman legal code. The concept has nothing to do with Judeo-chirstian god, but was in fact an invention of POLYGAMOUS secular italians that worshipped twenty different Gods (Zeus, Jupiter, et cetera).

      FURTHERMORE: Don’t gay have the same right to equality as everyone else? There was a time when blacks were not allowed to get married. It was “unholy”. Now they do. Next we said blacks-and-whites could not cross-marry. That too was “unholy”. Now they can. It’s about time we stop treating Gays like how we used to treat blacks (like second-class inferior citizens).

      .

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    • BrayDeck
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:45pm

      Jefferson promoted teaching the Bible in public schools and fought the first war against Islamic extremists. Very Ron Paul-esque eh?

      Also, your beloved idiot requested $157,093,544 in earmarks for his constituents in 2010 then voted against those bills. He’s been doing this for a while. It just goes to show you that Paul is just as much as a slimy politician as the rest.

      http://alturl.com/uhyqs

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    • theaveng
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:59pm

      AS I SAID I don’t agree with everything Ron Paul says (nor Jefferson). Or what he does — like the earmarks he passed for his home district.

      But I still agree with 95% of Paul’s positions, which is better than the ~50% of the other big-government Republican candidates, or the ~5% of the Demoncrats. So that’s why I support Paul. — Perhaps you can explain to me where my reasoning is wrong? Which candidate should I choose instead that shares greater than 95% of my values.

      Because right now I’m not seeing any.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:02pm

      If you want to support Ron Paul then go for it! I like him myself. I am tossed between him and Cain, but politically I lean towards Paul.

      Just quit dissing everyone else. We all have opinions and our favorite candidates. Just because someone thinks Romney or God forbid even Huntsman is the best candidate does not make them a neo-con or against freedom. There is a whole big world out there just stock full of different ideas. Some of them even liberal and socialist. Truth can be found everywhere. Voice your opinion, discuss the issues, promote your candidate. But please, have a little respect for everyone else. This is the problem with most of Ron Paul’s supporters. I suppose most of it has more to do with age than anything. Please, all you 20 somethings, no one is looking down on you, you are smart kids. But recognize that folks older than you are not idiots we have been around, we have seen this played out over and over. The 1980 election had many parallels to today. This is not the first time our country has been in crisis, in fact, it has been continual crisis. Things do not change overnight. Paul will not and cannot move mountains.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:11pm

      BrayDeck
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:26pm
      Drug legalization cannot happen until the country comes to terms with allowing those who want to destroy themselves with drugs to do so.
      ===============================================

      That’s already happened though:

      “Prohibition lost advocates as alcohol gained increasing social acceptance and as prohibition led to disrespect for the law and the growth of organized crime. By 1933, public opposition to prohibition had become overwhelming. In January of that year, Congress sought to preempt opposition[citation needed] with the Cullen-Harrison Act which legalized “3.2 beer” (i.e., beer 3.2% alcohol by weight or 4% by volume), and wines of similarly low alcohol content, rather than the 0.5% limit defined by the original Volstead Act.

      Congress passed the Blaine Act, a proposed constitutional amendment to repeal Prohibition, in February. On December 5, 1933, Utah became the 36th state to ratify the Twenty-first Amendment, which repealed the Eighteenth Amendment, rendered the Volstead Act unconstitutional, and restored control of alcohol to the states.”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volstead_Act

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  • BrayDeck
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:14pm

    Ron Paul’s “Golden Rule” foreign policy: Don’t defend America because that will make it so terrorists try and kill us. If we just rolled over and played dead, there would be no more war! Eliminate weapons! Destroy the military! YEAH!!!

    Ron Paul 2012 ;)

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    • bertr
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:22pm

      Do we really need 17 military bases on the island of okinawa? I guess true conservatives believe that the military cant waste resources. How could we ever get by if we only had 9 bases on that island? we’d be dead in weeks

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    • theaveng
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:23pm

      Actually Paul’s stance is to bring the army and navy home, and defend the shores from invasion (by Europe, China, terrorists, whatever). That’s basically the same policy our first presidents — be enemies of none, but ready to defend oneself from aggressors.

      BTW the odds of any one person dying by terrorist attack is about the same odds as dying in a tsunami. Basically zero. It is silly to fight a war fighting such a trivially small risk. f you are going to die, 99.9% of the time it will happen driving to work in the morning (car accident) or by cancer or by heart attack.

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    • xoke
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:27pm

      THEAVENG

      Please explain to me the birth of the marines?

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    • BrayDeck
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:30pm

      Have you read the words of the psychopaths in Iran, THEAVENG? How about al-Qaeda? Do you really think that an isolationist foreign policy would work? What do you think will happen when Iran gets a nuclear weapon? Or when the caliphate forms in the Middle East?

      We are no longer protected by oceans. This is a new kind of warfare with an enemies who will stop at nothing to destroy us. They care nothing for their lives, the lives of their children, or the lives of innocents. Ron Paul’s Golden Rule policy would lead to widespread death and destruction the likes of which the world has never seen.

      Peace through strength.

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    • theaveng
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:41pm

      Have you SEEN the results of our war?

      We killed approximately 1 million of Iraqi and Afghani mothers and fathers. Now the kids and teens have sworn a vengeance to kill us when they grow-up. We’ve not solved the problem, but only created more pissed-off people. WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER to listen to Jesus words: “When someone strikes you, turn the other cheek.”

      Jesus said that because he knew that aggression only breeds more aggression. Peace can only be achieved when someone takes the first step, and backs down. i.e. Rather than go overseas and start killing 1 million *innocent* people in 2001, we should have sealed-up our borders and stopped any more entrants. A peaceful solution, rather than a murderous one.

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    • BrayDeck
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:51pm

      Turning the other cheek was actually an ancient Hebrew way to show disdain for the person striking you. Basically stating that the person is so beneath you he doesn’t deserve a response. Also, Jesus was talking about personal behavior, not foreign policy.

      If you want to see an example of a Jehovah who believed in war, look no further than the Book of Joshua. God does not and never has opposed war.

      Civilian casualties are also greatly exaggerated due to the inability of being able to differentiate between citizens and insurgents along with no uniform way to count said casualties. Those numbers were created by anti-war kooks to make our soldiers look like murderers.

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    • theaveng
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:10pm

      >>>”Turning the other cheek was actually an ancient Hebrew way to show disdain for the person striking you. Basically stating that the person is so beneath you he doesn’t deserve a response.”

      That works too.

      The whole point is that you choose PEACE rather than aggression. And you avoid killing innocent people. As you said it’s hard to know the exact numbers, but I can say this with certainty. “They” killed ~3000 of us. All innocent persons who did not deserve death.

      Likewise WE are guilty of killing people. And that number far exceeds 3000 innocents. We have blood on our hands. We murdered thousands of people who did not deserve to die.

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    • KTsayz
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:30am

      Bray, how can possibly say what you do and brandish John Locke as your avatar? I think Uriah Heep would better suit.
      The US has bases in at least 63 countries. Do we really need to spread ourselves everywhere? No wonder people complain of our ‘empire’.

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  • macpappy
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:09pm

    It’s a long time till election time; a awful lot can happen between then and now.

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  • YepImaConservative
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:08pm

    Ron Paul has quite the “cult” following doesn’t he? Lmao. They can only be described as Migratory locusts.

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    • Pappypatriot
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:19pm

      Straw polls are meaningless that is why Mitt Romney is not participating in them. Mitt didn‘t get to be one of the great business leaders by doing what doesn’t work over again. He learned his lesson about straw polls which he won more than his share of in 08. Let me say this again s-l-o-w-l-y they are meaningless people.

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    • YepImaConservative
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:42pm

      That is the only thing he can seem to win… straw polls. Well, except for his Congressional District where they are completely oblivious it seems. They all thought he was just some kindly old fart who likes “pork” and shrimp rolls…

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    • MARCH4HIM
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:37pm

      I cant figure people out ,
      They cut on Rick Perry because he did the HPV thing…
      Yet …Mitt Romney Did the Romneycare,and gets a free pass .
      Obama is a Liberal Progressive….
      And Mitt Romney as Govenor of Massachusetts …
      Comes from one our Countries most liberal States.
      And the fact that he had state run health care..
      That would make him a Progressive also…Like Obama…
      Rick Perry has good employment record in Texas ..
      But then he has his stance and record … on Imigration.
      Mitt… also Ran for the Presidency in 2008′
      And bowed out to the “Maverick”…
      Who had his ass…handed to him by to Obama.
      And these are the TOP TWO.. for the GOP….
      IF WE MAKE IT TO 2012′
      We The People…..beter get our poop in a group….

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    • MARCH4HIM
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:42pm

      No …I’m not a Ron Paul supporter.

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    • YepImaConservative
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:31am

      >MARCH4HIM. I know you’re not a Paul supporter. I’m still up in the air regarding my choice, but am leaning towards Cain… as long as he keeps race out of politics (unless he’s making a point regarding the minorities who vote Dems and the idiocy of it). I was a little outa’ joint when he jumped on the Perry hunting rock story as quick as he did and looked like he was pandering. There are a couple of other issues I have with him, but time will tell…

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  • bertr
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:05pm

    I hope they keep this up until the election before they realize whats going on, glad to see the republicans splitting thier votes on canadites while the fiscal conservatives slip ron on the general balott

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  • trolltrainer
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:05pm

    ROFL, yeah, I can see the Paul-bots stuffing the box…

    Ron Paul is a good guy, but his supporters are a bit like a swarm of gnats.

    Now, rip me apart guys! :-)

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    • xoke
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:13pm

      They are a passionate group. Mostly I like them, except when they act like the right wing version of the brainwashed “yes we can” Obama drones.

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    • bertr
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:25pm

      Who’s the one thats already resorted to name calling? lol

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:48pm

      Neo-con! I am a neo-con! They are all neo-cons! Everyone is a neo-con except those that support Paul…’

      Damn neo-cons…

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    • bertr
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:04pm

      i think someone needs to listen to less alex jones and train themselves

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:24pm

      Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz , burp ( another liberal consumed by facts based upon the constitution ), Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz , burp ( another war mongering republican whom has no taste for an actual constitutional government, nor recalls the words of the founders { but pretends too!} consumed by facts ).

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:32pm

      (bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz neoCON bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)

      what’s that?

      (bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz neoCON bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz neoCON bzzzzzzzzzzz)

      just another Ron Paul supporter…

      S*P*L*A*T

      there…

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    • Chuck K
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:06am

      Yep, they are a bit like gnats. There are millions of us and we intend to stuff the ballot boxes with votes for him next fall too.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:55am

      Chuck K,

      That is fine by me, just make sure you also come out for the general election!

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    • bdburck
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 1:09pm

      not worth the time

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  • Master_and_Commander
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:04pm

    Herman Cain or Rick Santorum should have won. 2000 voters don’t represent what the rest of Conservatives think

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:19pm

      Considering Herman Cain does nothing to stuff the ballot box, he actually did win. The other candidates pay certain people and do other things to enhance their chances which is not a bad thing to do for straw polls but Mr. Cain doesn’t do any of those things and he got second place just by being there.

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    • Chuck K
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:15am

      Oh yeah! Herman Cain the Republican neo-con answer to white guilt fools that put the Obamanation in office. The media is trying to totally ignore the only hope that America has left. The couldn’t put neo-con Perry in office after he stepped on his yang by wanting the American tax payer to pay for illegal aliens children’s college education. Their boy Romney is falling on his ass since he is basically just another RINO. Now we have the ex-head of the Federal Reserve in Kansas City where the pedophiles reigned free with the little boys of the boys homes. Herman Cain and almost every other candidate but Paul have bent over to kiss the ass of chosen. What was it the homeless black guy was saying? Oh Yeah, “the Jews own Wall Street”, they also own our government, they control most of our judiciary, and they own our banking systems. Keep voting for their hand picked candidates and see where that takes this country.

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  • Elena2010
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:04pm

    The problem with Ron Paul is his chief value is his libertarian streak. Rules that form necessary borders are good, but he chucks all the rules out, even the good ones. So in the end, he has no traditional conservative values. He ends up as a one trick pony as compared to the other candidates.

    Put Ron Paul in charge of the Fed. That uses his one trick best.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:48pm

      “If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”
      -Ronald Reagan, July 1, 1975

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  • NoMarxist
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:02pm

    Ron Paul is the Republicans version of Dennis Kucinich.. He has as much chance of winning as Ralph Nader.

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    • Dalady
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:49pm

      Kucinich is a Socialist who sold out his values after he and his wife were bribed w/a cool ride on Air Force One w/Barry and Shelley. I like a lot of what Paul says but he totally lost me w/Kucinich. I was hoping after redistricting that Mr. K would be out of a job.

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  • timej31
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:01pm

    Really? That’s a very indicting accusation. There are lots of rumors out there about sore losers to.

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  • RavenGlenn
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:58pm

    Of course. There must have been cheating going on because the media has been telling us non-stop to vote for Perry or Romney. It can’t be that the people have brains in their heads and are voting for the person that actually represents their viewpoints.

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  • We are Americans
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:58pm

    Ron Paul may just win the republican
    nomination. Wow.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:14am

      No, there’s really not a chance of that. That’s why the organizers of this event are freaking out about it. By picking Paul these values voters showed that they aren’t really relevant to victory in partywide and general elections, and their leaders are afraid this will make candidates less likely to pander to them in the future.

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    • RoccoT
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 5:10am

      Herman Cain may just beat him, being the first big black Conservative candidate. Wow.

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  • xoke
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:56pm

    Here comes the Ron Paulistas…oh boy, lol!

    (I’m going to grab my popcorn)

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  • therightscoop
    Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:49pm

    O/T: Full Glenn Beck Speech today from Values Voter Summit.

    http://www.therightscoop.com/full-speech-glenn-beck-at-values-voter-summit/

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    • Nobel Reggie
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:30pm

      Scoop!
      I loveit when you come on this board. Keep on linking over to therightscoop.com, Your videos are the greatest!

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    • Look4DBigPicture
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:27pm

      Very inspirational … thanks for the link.

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    • sweetconcern
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 12:00am

      Dear Blaze and Mr. Beck, this was a wonderful speech you gave. You were at this straw poll event, you could reveal some light on what really took place concerning the voting. Was it rigged by Dr. Ron Paul or his supporters? When I consider all the canidates Dr. Paul is saying the right message yet ??? Our country is on fire and yes we need leaders. Where do you stand? No, a president cannot solve all our problems but where can we begin to heal this country? I felt alone before I started watching you on Fox now I am fully confused! I pray for Gods will and to guide me who to campaign for and vote for. I believe we are to help others and we will be held accountable for our actions. You say the right words of things we should do but then the Blaze says negative thing about Dr Paul. ??

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    • KTsayz
      Posted on October 9, 2011 at 8:38am

      Sweetconcern, I hear you, even if Beck and theblaze don’t. I am truly disappointed wih this blog. I thought we would finally have an unbiased, conservative blog to debate on, but it is forever nasty – even I often fall into that trap.
      What shocks me most is the the bloodlust of so many posters. Jesus called for peace, not war. And they forget, too “vengence is Mine, said the Lord.”

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