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Liberal Pastor Jim Wallis: America Is ‘Not a Christian Nation — It‘s Never Been a Christian Nation’

Jim Wallis Says America Is Not a Christian Nation

Pastor Jim Wallis’ support for the Occupy Wall Street movement and his leftist inclinations are widely documented. The progressive pastor, who has served as a faith adviser to President Barack Obama, is no stranger to controversy. In an interview that will air nationwide at Lifetree Café locations in the coming days, Wallis made some startling statements about America’s history and heritage.

Lifetree is a weekly, coffee shop-like environment and event series in which individuals come together to explore issues related to God and culture. These events are planned at locations — mainly churches — around the nation and sometimes feature pre-taped videos. In a video to be aired this week, Wallis made the bold claim that America is not a Christian nation.

Jim Wallis Says America Is Not a Christian Nation

“It’s not a Christian nation. It’s never been a Christian nation,” Wallis boldly proclaimed while speaking about America. “We set this up so that it would not be a Christian nation for any religious framework.”

But Wallis wasn’t done there. In a preview clip, he goes on to claim that America isn’t mentioned in the Bible as having a “special” or unique place.

“Where in the Bible is there a special place for America?,” he asks. “Where do we get that that’s bad theology…just bad theology.”

The Lifetree Café provides more information about Wallis’ comments and the grander context of the video discussion that they are a part of (you can watch a video preview of his talk here):

An exclusive filmed interview with presidential faith advisor and best-selling author Jim Wallis will be screened at Lifetree Café locations nationwide.

Participants will also hear from long-shot presidential hopeful Joe Schriner, in a filmed interview, about his inclusion of traditional Christian values as planks in his campaign.

This program invites discussion about whether America is a Christian nation, and whether it even matters.

These comments come at a time that the nation — particular faith leaders and communities — is debating about religious freedom and the appropriate role the government should play in private institutions’ operational matters. The ongoing debate about America’s Judeo-Christian roots is one that continues to rage. Wallis’ most recent words will do little more than fuel the associated battles.

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  • CATALYST
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:02pm

    Let’s get real….which founders were theist and what “god” did they acknowledge?

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  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:01pm

    Elbridge Gerry
    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; MEMBER OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION; FRAMER OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS, GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    He called on the State of Massachusetts to pray that . . .

    with one heart and voice we may prostrate ourselves at the throne of heavenly grace and present to our Great Benefactor sincere and unfeigned thanks for His infinite goodness and mercy towards us from our birth to the present moment for having above all things illuminated us by the Gospel of Jesus Christ, presenting to our view the happy prospect of a blessed immortality.
    And for our unparalleled ingratitude to that Adorable Being Who has seated us in a land irradiated by the cheering beams of the Gospel of Jesus Christ . . . let us fall prostrate before offended Deity, confess sincerely and penitently our manifold sins and our unworthiness of the least of His Divine favors, fervently implore His pardon through the merits of our mediator.
    And deeply impressed with a scene of our unparalleled ingratitude, let us contemplate the blessings which have flowed from the unlimited grave and favor of offended Deity, that we are still permitted to enjoy the first of Heaven’s blessings: the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:24pm

      Not challenging your quotes, but they represent the (non-binding) sentiments of a select number of founders. On the other hand, there was some discussion at the Philadelphia Convention, and in some of the subsequent state ratifying conventions, of incorporating the name of Christ, or of God, into the Constitution. Some suggestged that failure to mention Christianity might open the door to “Jews and Mahometans,“ and that failure to mention God might open the door to ”freethinkers” claiming a place in the new republic. Wisely, the framers and the ratifiers declined to make ours an explicitly Christian nation.

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    • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:29pm

      In 1947, in the case Everson v. Board of Education, the Supreme Court declared, “The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach.“ The ”separation of church and state” phrase which they invoked, and which has today become so familiar, was taken from an exchange of letters between President Thomas Jefferson and the Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut, shortly after Jefferson became President.

      The election of Jefferson – America’s first Anti-Federalist President – elated many Baptists since that denomination, by-and-large, was also strongly Anti-Federalist. This political disposition of the Baptists was understandable, for from the early settlement of Rhode Island in the 1630s to the time of the federal Constitution in the 1780s, the Baptists had often found themselves suffering from the centralization of power. (cont)

      DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
    • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:37pm

      Consequently, now having a President who not only had championed the rights of Baptists in Virginia but who also had advocated clear limits on the centralization of government powers, the Danbury Baptists wrote Jefferson a letter of praise on October 7, 1801, telling him:

      “Among the many millions in America and Europe who rejoice in your election to office, we embrace the first opportunity . . . to express our great satisfaction in your appointment to the Chief Magistracy in the United States. . . . [W]e have reason to believe that America’s God has raised you up to fill the Chair of State out of that goodwill which He bears to the millions which you preside over. May God strengthen you for the arduous task which providence and the voice of the people have called you. . . . And may the Lord preserve you safe from every evil and bring you at last to his Heavenly Kingdom through Jesus Christ our Glorious Mediator.”

      DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
    • DesertRose1960
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:55pm

      Interesting that you should be quoting Elbridge Gerry, the namesake of “gerrymandering’ setting up districts to aid the party in power, the definition, of political corruption. Gerry may have been speaking as a Christian, it still DOESN’T make the U.S. a Christian nation, merely a nation with a lot of people claiming to be Christian.
      Interesting quote listed for Gerry:
      “The evils we experience flow from the excess of democracy. The people do not want virtue, but are dupes of pretended patriots”

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    • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:38pm

      “Democracy is the road to socialism” ~Karl Marx

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    • Texas.7
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 4:37pm

      Lloyd, it is our Christian faith that establishes the rights of all types of believers to believe as they will. Of course differing belief systems are allowed to be practised in the US- but by framing the constitution through the unmovable lenses of God, our country would not fall pray to the tyranny of man. The founders were obviously men of strong conviction, however, they came from Europe and had witnessed kings and emperors also lead with brutal force when religion was mandated. So, we don’t have a king, and we don’t have a state church. Each is able to find God how they will- but they are not able to lead this nation away from the unmovable God-given rights for all of humanity. That is what we gain as a nation based on His truth. The declaration of independence describes the God ordained rights that the new government would rest upon:

      Life means life- not a limited freedom that can be taken away from the helpless, but is guaranteed for all

      Liberty means liberty- the the point that any behaviour does not harm another. Holding fast here would keep us forever free of tyrannical leadership. (on these grounds slavery was abolished, and women were given the right to vote- truth will always lead us to higher ground)

      Pursuit of Happiness- Nobody may infringe on the ability of another to honestly seek the fulfilment of their dreams through hard work. (No oppression, caste or class or “crony capitalism”. Land of opportunity)

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    • Bro. Chuck
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 5:27pm

      Lloyd Drako…..

      iIthink its as simple as this:
      they didn’t desire a “Christianized” version of sharia….

      and as for all the flaws?
      well, that’s simple as well….
      Leadership of this nation?
      this “society”?
      any time you put something in “man’s hands”?
      its bound to find its way into the corrupted state.

      All our founders were ascribing to was that society would hold onto the True notion that there is a Higher power…
      our Creator,
      who would lead us, just as He lead the Israelites along their paths, if we would only recognize His Sovereignty, and respect His Dominion….

      That means that there can be free choice…
      to worship as one desires.
      or not to worship.
      that is between man and “his” God…..
      that’s the Un-alienable Right.

      May we all be bless’d in Yeshua!

      Bro. Chuck

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  • Arc
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:01pm

    I will never make judgement regarding anyones’s religion or their professed faith

    I can however, form opinions that this Wallis just might be a zealot that is just as extreme as the people he accuses of not being Christians
    .
    Like a lot of Americans who post here, I think the opposition will do anything to attempt to confuse good men/women. Their line of thinking is, ” If we can confuse them, it may just shake their faith and weaken them.

    I believe the Constitutionalists and the patriots of this nation are considerably STRONGER IN FAITH than Wallis measures.

    Could it possibly be that Wallis uses his own degree of faith to assess his opposition..

    Methinks he may be a “few bricks shy of a load”, playing solitaire with a deck of 51″, operating a quart low, doesn’t have both oars in the water”

    and most of all, HE SELLS THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS SHORT!!!!!!!

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    • AB5r
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 3:18pm

      “I will never make judgment regarding anyones’s religion or their professed faith.”

      Actually that is a sign of weakness and quite stupid in the case of Islam. It is the duty of any non-Muslim, especially any Christian, to pass judgment on any person calling themself a Muslim. If they are only a Muslim because they were forced into it and can’t leave or they would be killed, even by their own mother, perhaps pity is in order, but if they willingly follow the evil Muhammad, nothing but pure condemnation is due them, in righteous judgment.

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    • rukdnme13
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 3:26pm

      Vonnegut,”paddle your own canoe!”

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    • wzanesdad
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 4:15pm

      I wish we could have a nationally televised debate with wallis and david barton. It would be hilarious to watch Barton destroy him with facts about the founders. The seperation of church and state was designed to keep the government out of the churches, not the churches out of the government.

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  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:01pm

    Benjamin Franklin
    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION; DIPLOMAT; PRINTER; SCIENTIST; SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA
    As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.

    The body of Benjamin Franklin, printer, like the cover of an old book, its contents torn out and stripped of its lettering and guilding, lies here, food for worms. Yet the work itself shall not be lost; for it will, as he believed, appear once more in a new and more beatiful edition, corrected and amended by the Author. (FRANKLIN’S EULOGY THAT HE WROTE FOR HIMSELF)

    DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:00pm

    Gabriel Duvall
    SOLDIER; JUDGE; SELECTED AS DELEGATE TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION; COMPTROLLER OF THE U. S. TREASURY; U. S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
    I resign my soul into the hands of the Almighty Who gave it, in humble hopes of His mercy through our Savior Jesus Christ.

    DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
  • IMCHRISTIAN
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:00pm

    Our ancestors came here for religious freedom. I am a Christian but I do not run down Christians, other faiths or America like a Pastor Wallis does. God knows the truth what is in our hearts and will be our final judge.

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    • AFeatherAdrift
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:22pm

      Yes, people came to this country to ESCAPE religious persecution. They thereupon set up theocratic governing bodies which became commonwealths (states) which discriminated against any religion but their own. Catholics, Jews, and various other groups could not own property, hold office, and in some states were sent out of the state itself as being “unwanted”. The US Constitution, mindful of the extraordinary theocratic rule within states, determined that the only way the Federal government could endure was to stay above the fray of religion period. We are not a Christian nation by DESIGN. We were created by a goodly number of individuals who were Christian to be sure. It is not the same thing.

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  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:00pm

    John Dickinson
    SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA; GOVERNOR OF DELAWARE; GENERAL IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
    Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.

    [Governments] could not give the rights essential to happiness… We claim them from a higher source: from the King of kings, and Lord of all the earth.

    DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
    • brntout
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:05pm

      Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall…..

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    • brntout
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:17pm

      Wrong post it.Was a reply to someone who had to do a little soul searching. I apologize.

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  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:59pm

    Congress, U. S. House Judiciary Committee, 1854
    “Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle… In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity… That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.”

    DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:58pm

    Congress, 1854
    The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
  • Sniper342
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:57pm

    I think it is wonderful to read the comments of a spiritual advisor to a man with no soul. How exactly does that work?

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    • AFeatherAdrift
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:28pm

      Oh I guess you forgot about that thing about judging? I thought that was up to God all mighty one. Sniper? Nice name for one who usurps the job of God.

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    • 338lapua
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:54pm

      What is wrong with…..a sniper?

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    • 338lapua
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:57pm

      A sniper makes no judgement,a sniper is a protector of forces closer in. A sniper acts without prejudice or malice, but in accordance with a plan of operation. Without snipers, MANY more would die in battle.

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    • brntout
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:03pm

      @ 338 Is that grains or caliber?

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    • brntout
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:11pm

      I’ll bet you got one running scared. Check six FALLINGLIKESOMEFEATHER.

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    • 338lapua
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:11pm

      .338 Lapua Mag
      …..so caliber

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    • brntout
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:22pm

      Sweet….. Czech 52

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  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:57pm

    Jacob Broom
    LEGISLATOR; SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION
    A letter to his son, James, attending Princeton University:

    I flatter myself you will be what I wish, but don’t be so much flatterer as to relax of your application – don’t forget to be a Christian. I have said much to you on this head, and I hope an indelible impression is made.

    DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:56pm

    Samuel Adams

    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; “FATHER OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION”; RATIFIER OF THE U. S. CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS
    I . . . [rely] upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.

    The name of the Lord (says the Scripture) is a strong tower; thither the righteous flee and are safe [Proverbs 18:10]. Let us secure His favor and He will lead us through the journey of this life and at length receive us to a better.

    I conceive we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world . . . that the confusions that are and have been among the nations may be overruled by the promoting and speedily bringing in the holy and happy period when the kingdoms of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and the people willingly bow to the scepter of Him who is the Prince of Peace.

    He also called on the State of Massachusetts to pray that . . .

    the peaceful and glorious reign of our Divine Redeemer may be known and enjoyed throughout the whole family of mankind.
    -we may with one heart and voice humbly implore His gracious and free pardon through Jesus Christ, supplicating His Divine aid . . . [and] above all to cause the religion of Jesus Christ, in its true spirit, to spread far and wide till the whole earth shall be filled with His glory.
    -with true contrition of heart to confess their sins to God and implore forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesu

    DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:55pm

    John Adams
    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; JUDGE; DIPLOMAT; ONE OF TWO SIGNERS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS; SECOND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.

    The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in this earth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost. . . . There is no authority, civil or religious – there can be no legitimate government but what is administered by this Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or in more orthodox words damnation.

    Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell.

    The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.

    Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!

    I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.

    DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776  
  • momrules
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:54pm

    The lie that America is not a Christian nation came from Obama’s own mouth and is now being spread by his minions.
    Jim Wallis is not a Christian but he is what passes for one to advise the President.
    We are in a spiritual war. A war between God and Satan and humanity is the prize. Everybody had better pick a side.
    I’ve chosen the side of God, America and Israel.

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    • Greenwood
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:59pm

      “sheep or goat ” “wheat or weed” …………….time is running out

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    • chevy65
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:12pm

      I agree with you completly when you say that Jimbo is not a Christian. It takes one to know one and I is one. I do agree with him as to whether America is mention in the Bible. I do not think that it is really important as to whether it is or not. What is important is whether You and I are followers of Christ. I do think that America was started By mainly Christians but boy has it strayed a long way from there. I do think, from my reading about end times, that America is not a major player in those events so I sadly feel that Obama is making America into that none important nation by putting her into poverty. Etc.

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:50pm

      Are all “Christians” Christian?

      If a nation calls itself a Christian nation, does that make it so?

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    • brntout
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 3:39pm

      @WHITEFANG If a tree falls in the forest,and no one is around ,does it make a sound?

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 3:54pm

      brntout,

      If a squirrel has to run for its life to escape the tree fall, does his little feet make a sound against the forest floor?
      If you are burnt out, maybe you should get some rest.
      Stay focused my friend. :-)

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    • EvrAlrt
      Posted on March 5, 2012 at 10:53pm

      Amen, Sister!!
      There is a deliberate, intentional, organized, planned step-by-step movement afoot to Utterly Destroy the True Christian-Faith, as well as Totally Annihilate the Faithful who hold-fast to the One True GOD’s Word….This IS For Real folks!!!
      Additionally, it was foretold of in our own Bible, from the Beginning…..Read it!!! Learn It!!! Prepare For It!!!! Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Matthew, Luke, 1 Thes, 1 Corinthians, and of course Revelations…it’s All in there!!!
      Don’t B Deceived……MANY Will Attempt to Deceive You, Lie to You, Trick You, Fool You, Confuse You, Turn You Away from GOD/JESUS
      ………….*christslam is an Abomination*…….GOD and allah Are NOT the Same GOD; there is only ONE GOD and HE is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob….GOD & JESUS are ONE.
      GOD Did Not write/teach of allah Anywhere in HIS Holy Book……Nothing!!!!…..HE Did WARN of False gods and idol worship, and What Happens to those who go down that road.
      If any person or organization teaches otherwise, they Are NOT of GOD, but Are teaching a False Religion…..Do Not B Deceived!!!!!

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  • dadsrootbeer
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:54pm

    And this guy is Obammy’s pastor. Is there anybody the child king hangs out with isn’t a radical, progressive, anti-american, anti-capitalist.

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  • Al Sharptongue
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:54pm

    Yea you want to save innocent babies, but once they are born younhave no problem giving them the death penalty or inferior education or using them to die in your unjust wars.

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    • bigspike
      Posted on March 5, 2012 at 5:59am

      just keep trotting out the usual ‘libwordsalad’….what a load of BS, utterly unsupported by a shred of fact-whih IS the ‘progressive way’

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  • sawbuck
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:50pm

    4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    False Christs Shall Come
    5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    6And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in various places.
    8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and you shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
    10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall grow cold.
    13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    Mt 24:4-13

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  • aChameleon
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:50pm

    Saving innocent babies is just sinister.

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  • AmericanStrega
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:48pm

    America was once a great Nation
    Who gave those few a new location
    To be happy and free
    Now all we can see
    Is a land filled with Obamanation

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  • raspberrytea
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:47pm

    He’s promoting “ One World Religion”. We will be hearing
    alot more about Chris-lam very soon, the joining
    of Christians and Islam into one faith.
    God help us !

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  • sWampy
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:46pm

    These liberals know if they repeat their lies often enough, the idiots liberal youth of the nation will believe them, and then help load their parents into the gas chambers right before they themselves get pushed in. Hail Obama.

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  • Greenwood
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:46pm

    America was founded by Christians all you have to do is read the Founders own words. Wallis on the other hand I have my doubts. I don’t think liberation theology is following Christ.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:53pm

      For every founding quote you can give saying we are a Christian nation I can give you one saying we aren’t a Christian nation.

      Was Christianity an influence in our founding? Yes
      Was Deism an influence in our founding? Yes

      Are we a Christian nation? No

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    • AFeatherAdrift
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:35pm

      And my bet is that you don’t know a thing about liberation theology, women’s theology, feminist theology, or any other theology for that matter. But ya know, talking points, just say ‘em. It sounds good to the mob.

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    • 338lapua
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:10pm

      There is only ONE theology. Those who look away from it are not known by God. Those who are able to discern false teaching stay away from it. Those who seek to disseminate false teaching are forever trying to argue the merits of their false teaching. But they remain in the eyes of those who see them, nothing more than murderers.

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:45pm

    and there will be people claiming to speak on my behalf ……………………………

    this man is as much a pastor as i am an astronaut

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:49pm

      This country is as much a Christian nation as you are an astronaut.

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    • momrules
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:06pm

      And he is about as Christian as Obama is.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:10pm

      Lol, I don‘t care who is or isn’t a Christian so that is irrelevant to me.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 5:41pm

      And you are about as moderate as Van Jones.

      You spend an inordinate amount of time in here telling us what you DON”T care about, or what you DON”T believe in.

      For what reason MOD, what is your purpose here?

      To antagonize?

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:44pm

    Wallis is the author of lies and we‘re supposed to believe anything this collectivist say’s? He has no knowledge of our founders or their beliefs and he believes in ‘social justice’,that’s a path to communism/socialism take your pick.

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    • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:53pm

      Social justice is code word for communism!

      “Social Justice” is a code phrase of the left, which believes that such justice can only be achieved by the recognition that capitalism and the economic inequality it produces must be replaced by a “classless” society wherein all differences in wealth and property have been eliminated. The “Social Justice Movement” (quotation marks are necessary because its version of “justice” is political rather than lexical) is quintessentially deterministic, believing as a core principle that people are what they are because they were born into an inflexible social order.

      The “Social Justice Movement” is at war with classical liberalism, which defines equality as the equality of all individuals before the law, irrespective of “class” or any other collective identity. In modern terms, the conflict between these two worldviews is similar to the conflict between “equality of opportunity” and “equality of outcome,” which can only be guaranteed and enforced by some structure of authority.

      The “Social Justice Movement” endorses socialism as a means of redressing the alleged evils of capitalism and producing a programmatic equality that it acknowledges will be purchased at the price of individual liberty and require the manufacture of what totalitarian governments have called “the New Man.”

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    • Link8on
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:33pm

      Just because Wallis, Fluke, Sebelious, Pelosi, Reid, Wasserman, or BHO have free speech, does not mean the words they spoke will be free of any consequence. These are clearly the words of Soros, thus very costly speech for a target nation’s sovereignty.

      Such is speech that divides and BHO and the other Sorosians are wanting to put together 51% come November. Get your free speech engine running to your citizen neighbors to overcome that anti-USA movement.

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    • Texas.7
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 5:11pm

      DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776, you are so right! What we generally understand as humanism (individualism-self) fades away under the iron hammer of “Social Justice” (collectivism).

      Justice, according to God, is interpreted through righteousness, and therefore, is unmoving. Everything that demands unrighteous justice operates in opposition to the Creator.

      Social Justice people talk about population control, theft (re-distribution of wealth), oppression and favouritism (retribution for the sins of one’s ancestors), unforgiveness, anger, violence, hatred, racism, class-ism, and other vile ideas and actions that we have seen them put forth in the name of social justice. They blaspheme the very idea of justice, and their words and deed betray the source of their inspiration.

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  • CatB
    Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:42pm

    Coming at us fast and furious … overload the system …??? Seems they are not even trying to hide who or what they are.

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    • Al Sharptongue
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:50pm

      You people are the sick ones with your intolerant view points,and hidden racial agendas

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    • aChameleon
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 12:58pm

      Al, you‘re being intolerant of CATB’s viewpoint.

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    • momrules
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:04pm

      CATB………I believe thay have all their ducks in a row now. The gloves are being pulled off and it will be getting very bad very quickly.

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    • brntout
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:12pm

      @ AL,NOT TOO SHARPTON What planet are you broadcasting from? I believe our founders had a Hell of a lot more sense than you,and that was over 250 years ago,you punk

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    • CatB
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 1:12pm

      “hiden racial agenda” .??? . I have no “agenda” except to protect the United States from all enemies .. foreign and domestic. AL .. you however seem quite intolerant of others.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:06pm

      Just tag AL SHARPTONGUE’s site name and read his comments in total. He’s just a troll trying to stir trouble. Not even worth addressing or discussing. Leave him alone and maybe he’ll dry up like MR_MOLOTOV_COCKTAIL.

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    • brntout
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 2:28pm

      @RJ A man with a tongue can so speak. My point sir/maam….

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    • NancyBee
      Posted on March 4, 2012 at 9:52pm

      Wow, Al………….you need to really “ calm down”……..talk about intolerance!!!?

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