Liberal Authors Claim GOP Presidential Field Showcases ‘Evangelical Anti-Intellectualism’
- Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:32am by
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Is the GOP presidential field “a showcase of evangelical anti-intellectualism?” That’s what Karl W. Giberson and Randall J. Stephens claim in a New York Times op-ed. How so, you ask?
Well, Giberson and Stephens, who both have a history in academia at Eastern Nazarene College and who came together to author the book, “The Anointed: Evangelical Truth in a Secular Age,” believe that the current Republican candidates hold views that defy logic. A description of their book sheds more light on their mentality:
“Exploring intellectual authority within evangelicalism, the authors reveal how America’s populist ideals, anti-intellectualism, and religious free market, along with the concept of anointing—being chosen by God to speak for him like the biblical prophets—established a conservative evangelical leadership isolated from the world of secular arts and sciences.”
In their piece, they lament Herman Cain, Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann’s views on climate change (that it’s not caused by humans). Additionally, they see Perry and Bachmann‘s view that evolution isn’t a proven theory as bizarre and not intellectual in the least. They write:
The rejection of science seems to be part of a politically monolithic red-state fundamentalism, textbook evidence of an unyielding ignorance on the part of the religious. As one fundamentalist slogan puts it, “The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it.” But evangelical Christianity need not be defined by the simplistic theology, cultural isolationism and stubborn anti-intellectualism that most of the Republican candidates have embraced.
While these comments will certainly infuriate conservatives who hold similar concerns about global warming and evolution, it’s important to note that Giberson and Stephens are self-described evangelicals. They claim to accept, as the center of their faith, Jesus Christ and they see the Bible a “sacred book.”
They also attempt to discern between evangelicalism and fundamentalism, as they lament the latter, calling it “literalistic, overconfident and reactionary.” They continue:
Fundamentalism appeals to evangelicals who have become convinced that their country has been overrun by a vast secular conspiracy; denial is the simplest and most attractive response to change. They have been scarred by the elimination of prayer in schools; the removal of nativity scenes from public places; the increasing legitimacy of abortion and homosexuality; the persistence of pornography and drug abuse; and acceptance of other religions and of atheism.
Apparently, to deal with these changes, Giberson and Stephens believe that evangelicals have created a “parallel culture” that includes churches, Sunday school, specialized camps and colleges and Christian-centric media. This “sub-culture” seemingly separated believers from the greater society that is characterized by these social plagues.
There are inevitably Christian leaders who work to instill these fundamentalist values, the authors believe, in history, science and other realms. Because they seemingly rely so heavily on Bible verses, their messages supposedly seem to come directly from God.
Sadly, Giberson and Stephens contend, these Christian leaders are misleading their audiences:
But in fact their rejection of knowledge amounts to what the evangelical historian Mark A. Noll, in his 1994 book, “The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind,” described as an “intellectual disaster.” He called on evangelicals to repent for their neglect of the mind, decrying the abandonment of the intellectual heritage of the Protestant Reformation. “The scandal of the evangelical mind,” he wrote, “is that there is not much of an evangelical mind.”
The authors, of course, praise the change they see happening in the evangelical world, as they claim that young Christian college students as more interested in social justice than opposing gay marriage — a movement in the right direction, apparently. Among the groups they see as positive alternatives? Rev. Jim Wallis’ Sojourners (we have covered this religious leftist group in detail).
They conclude their piece with the following words, “But when the faith of so many Americans becomes an occasion to embrace discredited, ridiculous and even dangerous ideas, we must not be afraid to speak out, even if it means criticizing fellow Christians.”
While Giberson and Stephens see more conservative Christians’ ideas as “ridiculous and even dangerous,” it’s likely that their opponents view their ideals in the same light. As the evangelical left grows, these debates will likely only intensify.
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Joe Schmuck
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:20amHAT’S OFF!
… to those candidates that are boycotting tonight’s debate. Just another attempt by the Liberal agenda to manipluate the election!
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:02pm@ motonutt
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:59pm
@JOE…10THCOMMANDMENT AND OTHERS…..Trying to throw scripture to non-believers is not wrong but it is also like thowing pearls to swine. They don’t understand it, they can’t understand it.
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That’s the truth. The problem with them is that they want to sputter, or drool from the corner of their mouth and say things that are so obviously flawed, and void of logic that I can’t help but pity them. Thus the effort to try to get them to actually see the word of God. They think just because people are born again Christians that we’re an easy target for whatever lame brained reason. Challenged on their “facts” relating to supposed “intellectual” topics it’s pathetic and hilarious at the same time. Perhaps I’m wrong for even acknowledging their existence, but I’d really like to hear the “excuse” for them being on the world that God created! They can even try to define it in scientific terms. After their done babbling I’ll give them each a napkin and explain how the entire fabric of our Universe declares the glory of God.
Turning the other cheek just isn’t one of my strong points of character, but I’m working on it.. Attack my religion. Fine, because I’m not trying to convert them. Attack my religion and my education? The flesh wins.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:55pm“Joe, I think we’ll have a very long wait for an “intellectual” response. If they can successfully navigate gravity, and structure”
yeah I think you scared them off …..these atheists aren’t nearly as clever as they think they are…
they can throw out the typical wacko darwiniac atheist talking points…but like all good democrat fascist stooges, they cannot think for themselves.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:10pm@ joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:55pm
“Joe, I think we’ll have a very long wait for an “intellectual” response. If they can successfully navigate gravity, and structure”
yeah I think you scared them off …..these atheists aren’t nearly as clever as they think they are…
they can throw out the typical wacko darwiniac atheist talking points…but like all good democrat fascist stooges, they cannot think for themselves.
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I wanted a debate. They think it’s okay for the left “intellectuals” to take pot shots at Christians because they think that all of us will curl up in the fetal position and cry. I’m “far” from being a perfect man, and there’s many things I need help on spiritually, but I think it would be equally wrong to just defer a position out of cowardice. Even Jesus contended with the Pharisee’s and Scribes. Even Jesus drove the money lenders out of the Temple.
Believing in Christ Jesus, who the Spirit of God Created all things thru, proves itself in my work, time after time without fail. He’s faithful, even when I falter.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:27ammotonutt, nobody is dissing religion, you‘re or anybody else’s, including Hindus, Muslims or Hutu’s. And the period is not “10,000,000 years”, it more like 13,600,000,000 years, ten times longer than your number. And it does make a difference if you want to understand the scope of earth‘s history and Man’s place in it.
Let’s suppose that you had a clock that started at midnight the moment the Earth formed, around 4.5 billion years ago, and that twelve hours passed between the creation of the Earth and now. It’s noon. How long do you thing humans have been around given we emerged about 300,000 years ago? About three seconds before noon.
And how long have humans lived in collective farming communities in Babylon? Since about of 1/10 of a second before noon, now. 1/10 of a second. The Earth is old, the universe is older. Human history is the tiniest snippet, a vanishingly small, all but invisible sliver of the history of the universe. Maybe we should all be more humble in the face of creation.
Report Post »joel228
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:57amIs there really any difference between a big banger and a creationist (ex-nihilo)? I find the argument between the two amusing.
One believes that the universe came into existence in an instant out of some undefined, incomprehensible self existing singularity and the other believes, oh wait, they both believe that. Only the time frame is different.
It defies logic and what should be common sense. It assumes emptiness throughout infinite space and within time that has no beginning. Then after the bang it assumes finite matter in infinite space. If that’s the case then the fact the universe is expanding indicates it will also have and end.
This is absurdity. This is the “wisdom of the wise” that will perish. Today’s scientists and religious preachers have nothing to boast over the flat earthers of older times.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:40am““Racist atheist fairy tale” Right on point Joe! Keep the conspiracy alive.”
no conspiracy…its in the title of your bible…
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
so list the ‘favoured races’ for us…you won’t… so explain why he put ‘favoured races’ in the title…you can’t….all you can do is blather about ‘conspiracy theories’ LOL
” Oh last time I checked atheist Provine never made it to prison or displayed civil disobedience so here’s to proving yourself (and his own self) wrong on morality”
huh? whats going to prison or civil disobediance have to do with what provine said?? focus…I’ve told you before to take off the tin-foil and get back on your meds…
Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent.”
nothing about crime or civil disobediance…
“… Greg Graffin has a PhD too and he disagrees with Provine. Anyway, Here’s a site to make your head explode since free thinking is impossible for you:
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uh you do know provine was his PhD advisor right? whats funny what you call ‘free thinking’ is not…you’re enslaved to the conventional wisdom. thinking for yourself, or outside the box is clearly imp
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:00amsorry…keep posting in the wrong thread….
Report Post »MaxMagician
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:17amWithout having read the book, I’m going to go way out on a limb and guess the authors of this book never once brought up the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:06pmPoor attempt at deflection. I think they were kind by not identifying Bachmann as certifiable.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:08pm“Poor attempt at deflection. I think they were kind by not identifying Bachmann as certifiable.”
yeah you think debbie blabbermouth schulz, bela pelosi, and the rest of the ugly dem women are perfectly reasonable..LOL
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:16pmIf you actually believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old (that carbon dating is a liberal lie) and that dinasaurs walked alongside humans, then you really can’t claim to know anything about science.
joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:24pm@jzs
let me guess you believe in that racist atheist fairy tale known as evolution….
I bet its the implicit racism in the theory that really turns you on.
Report Post »theonefromabove
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:45pmI think that they want to keep as much money as they can.
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:50pm@JZS……..See the thing is it takes enlightenment from the H.S. (Holy Spirit) to understand and believe in creation…..that‘s why you don’t get it. I hope that you will someday.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:54pmJZS…isn’t this hilarious? That people this ignorant still exist in America in 2011 is astounding. They don‘t need no book learnin’…LOL.
hillbillyinny
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:18pm@ lumbarspine
Actually, we have learned from the greatest collection of books every written (or inspired), the Bible! But, as noted above at this point you have not chosen to be enlightened by the Holy Spirit, so there for you are confounded by the wisdom and knowledge in those books. I pray you’ll at least get curious and that the Spirit does His work.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:25pm“Let me guess you believe in that racist atheist fairy tale known as evolution….”
You basically prove these authors right with your ignorance and insults. You can be religious, you can be CHRISTIAN, and understand that all things evolve. Are you still believing the earth is flat as well? Its almost like you are proud of being stupid.
“the theory of evolution is ‘more than just a hypothesis’ and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith.”
Report Post »- Pope John Paul II.
Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:27pmHILLBILLYINNY…is this a religious website or a political one? I think you are making the point for the authors…that the Republican Party is to a great extent is an Evangelical party. Rational people tend to believe that religion and politics don’t mix…and I believe Jesus would agree with that.
COFemale
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:29pmLet’s see JZS somewhere in the Bible it says that 1 day is like a 1000 years. Now how many days in 10000 years?
Report Post »How do we know that carbon dating is accurate; because scientist say so? Well, they may have to retract that speed of light thing that they so vehemently touted as accurate. Scientist are not perfect and they do make mistakes, however they make the best guess based on the knowledge at hand. So even science is not infallible.
joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:39pm“JZS…isn’t this hilarious? That people this ignorant still exist in America in 2011 is astounding. They don‘t need no book learnin”
yeah thats why uneducated easily led liberals believe in that atheist fairy tale known as evolution…
and the libs really love the racism in the theory!!!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:40pm“You basically prove these authors right with your ignorance and insults. You can be religious, you can be CHRISTIAN, and understand that all things evolve. Are you still believing the earth is flat as well? Its almost like you are proud of being stupid. ”
oh really, then explain the ‘favoured races’ in the title of your holy book…
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
and please list the ‘lower races’ your racist savior darwin refers to….
“The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilised races throughout the world.” (Darwin, Charles R. [English naturalist and founder of the modern theory of evolution], “The Life of Charles Darwin”, [1902], Senate: London, 1995, reprint, p.64).
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:44pm““the theory of evolution is ‘more than just a hypothesis’ and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith.”
– Pope John Paul II.’
the darwinist sure don’t think so…
Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent.”
Provine, William B. [Professor of Biological Sciences, Cornell University], “, “Evolution: Free will and punishment and meaning in life”, Abstract of Will Provine’s 1998 Darwin Day Keynote Address.
oh you may want to re-think that quote from the pope…
Cardinal Christof Schonborn called “neo-Darwinian”, evolution, or the idea that there is no intelligent design behind creation, incompatible with the Catholic Church and in conflict with nature itself.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/cardinal_schonborn_clarifies_churchs_stance_on_evolution_intelligent_design_is_clear_in_nature/
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:45pm“Rational people tend to believe that religion and politics don’t mix…and I believe Jesus would agree with that.”
well how come you ‘rational’ people always want to impose your religion of atheism upon us via the political process?
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:50pmoh and clive….hate to tell you, but the Cardinal goes on to say….
Many, he said, mistakenly use John Paul’s undefined openness to evolution as an open door to align the Christian faith with the neo-Darwinian dogma, as he calls it, this can never be true.
Evolution, in the sense of common ancestry may be true, the Cardinal wrote, but he sees neo-Darwinism, what he describes as “an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection” as completely false in the eyes of the Church.
“Any system of thought”, he clarifies, “that denies or seeks to explain away the overwhelming evidence for design in biology is ideology, not science.”
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:54pmUmmm, JOE…by its definition, atheism is the lack of religion. You don’t sound like a very educated man, Joe. Science and religion are only incompatible to ignorant yahoos. Educated people know that…just as they know that evolution is as scientifically solid as gravity.
joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:01pm“Ummm, JOE…by its definition, atheism is the lack of religion. You don’t sound like a very educated man, Joe”
uh lumbar, atheist talking points….atheism has its own worldview, cosmology, its own creation fairy tale….by every standard its a religion. you have no proof for the lack of a god. just faith.
oh I have a MS degree, you? from your writing you’re obviously an uneducated easily led liberal…its much easier than thinking for yourself isn’t it now? I notice you don’t have the intellect to dispute anything I post…LOL
“just as they know that evolution is as scientifically solid as gravity.”
really? then list for me the mutations (or gene transfers) that led to the eye, in order. oh but you can’t, yet you believe it…its called faith…..or how about evolving something? take a bacteria and evolve it into a multi-cellular animal….should be simple….you said its as solid as gravity…now take a 10lb weight and drop it on your head…that will prove gravity…and maybe give you some common sense…LOL
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:09pmCOFEMALE, you are very correct. Science is not infallable. In fact, the recognition of that idea is a strength of science, not a weakness. Everybody knows that Newton’s “laws” of gravity were replaced with Einstein’s “theory” of gravity. Two things happened in that transistion. One, obviously is that Einstein proposed a theory that provided a more accurate way to predict how objects behave under the influence of gravity, especially at extremes of velocity and mass, things outside our normal experience. The other thing that happened is that scientists stopped claiming they’d discovered “laws”, and now everything is considered a hypothesis or theory, one to be tested, examined, challenged and perhaps replaced by another theory that makes more accurate predictions. But no matter what happens (as with the speed of light for example), it’s not going to happen that the fundamental idea was wrong, only that further refinements of an existing theory are discovered.
Every science related to the universe (geology, astronomy, physics, cosmology, chemistry etc.) points to a very old universe, +10 billion, not 10,000 years old. If the universe really is 10K years old, and evolution did not occur, then God is an incredible practical joker.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:30pm@Lumbar Spine
where’d ya go? I thought you were going to dazzle us all with your brilliance and intellect, surely you can show how wrong I am about everything I’ve said in this thread rather easily…right….right??? LOL
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:41pmIntellectuals INDEED!
Romans 1:22-25 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:44pmYea, JOE, I really believe you have an MS…LOL. From where…Liberty Baptist? I don’t have to prove HOW light sensitive cells became eyes in order to “prove” evolution. You simply assume that the design was unique and must have been the product of an intelligent design. That’s bogus BS…and it certainly doesn’t outweigh the evidence that supports evolution. In fact, as I am sure you are aware, another example, involving bacteria with seemingly unique propulsion flagella, was later cast aside as supporting intelligent design because a similar bacteria was found with the same shape flagellum but which was used completely differently.
Let me ask you this…why do you assume that anyone who subscribes to evolution is an atheist? I’ll check back later for your reponse. Gotta run now…have a flag burning to attend and then an abortion celebration.
Clive
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:01pm“oh really, then explain the ‘favoured races’ in the title of your holy book…”
my holy book? i’m catholic joe. darwin didn’t “create” evolution. If you believe that things evolve, it doesn’t mean you have to believe in everything darwin says… Is that mind blowing to you? i’m not sure you know how to argue joe, (with your MS degree, whoa…WOWEEE!) but you do succeed in making yourself look ignorant. I’m with the other posters, its shocking that people like you haven’t been eliminated from the gene pool. You should have died from eating your own poop years ago.
i believe in the bible, but i don’t take it literally, word for word, and neither do you. have you ever read leviticus? i suppose you’ve never worn more than one kind of fabric at the same time. I suppose you’ve never had a haircut? do you believe blind people can’t worship at the altar of god? It also recommends that anyone who curses at their mother, be killed. So obviously, you have to leverage the bible, with the reality you live in. Maybe I should slow down for you.
Just so you know, you come across more of a radical muslim, than you do a christian.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:06pm“Educated people know that…just as they know that evolution is as scientifically solid as gravity.”
Lumbar,
Report Post »Joe1234 doesn’t believe in gravity either, gravity is made by the devil, its the force that draws us towards hell. And BTW, the earth is only 300 years old. And flat. And theres no such thing as global warming, as theres no such thing as the sun. Also, cigarettes are good for you.
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:23pm@ Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:44pm
Yea, JOE, I really believe you have an MS…LOL. From where…Liberty Baptist?
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Liberty Baptist is a fine University actually. You show your ignorance in attacking people at least 12 grades above your intellect.
I have a Masters in Computer Engineering (with associated course degrees in Physics, linear Algebra, and advanced Mathematics, as well as Numerical Analysis) from Ohio State University. A MBA in Business from Princeton, and a BA in Social Sciences (Poli-Sci with focus on International application) from Ohio State University.
I’m a devout Catholic, and Jesus Christ is my Lord, and my Savior. Billy Graham has 100 times the intellectual prowess of Stephen Jay Gould, or George Wald (Evolutionary Biologist, Professor Emiritus of Harvard and Nobel winner in Biology). Want to know what Wald had to say about evolution?
“Most modern Biologists, having reviewed with satisfaction the downfall of the spontaneous generation hypothesis, yet unwilling to accept the alternative belief in special creation, are left with nothing.”
Want to know what Dr. Newton Tahmisian of the Atomic Energy Commission had to say?
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:41pmOh and Clive Cadiddlehopper. There is no such thing as “man made global warming/climate change”. Global warming and cooling continue as it has thru every period of earths existence. If I were you I’d get some spf 10,000,000 sunblock over the next few years. Things are really going to get warm, and there’s not damned thing man can do about it. Much less effect it.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:47pm“Yea, JOE, I really believe you have an MS…LOL. From where…Liberty Baptist? I don’t have to prove HOW light sensitive cells became eyes in order to “prove” evolution:”
of course not, you take it by FATIH you brain-dead moron.
“That’s bogus BS…and it certainly doesn’t outweigh the evidence that supports evolution”
well post your studies…your references…I see you don’t have the intelligence to find anything to back up your BS…no surprise lol
“In fact, as I am sure you are aware, another example, involving bacteria with seemingly unique propulsion flagella, was later cast aside as supporting intelligent design because a similar bacteria was found with the same shape flagellum but which was used completely differently.”
post your proof….let me guess, its miller who has been desperately trying to disprove ID…and he thinks he’s successfull…..and in that he validates ID as science…else you wouldn’t be able to disprove it…lets see the research…your word is rather meaningless….
“why do you assume that anyone who subscribes to evolution is an atheist?”
because, as Provine (you know who he is right) admits, evolution is atheisitic…I know thats hard for you understand not having graduated from high school….
I look forward to your research.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:01pm@jzs –
well, God created MAN and WOMAN, He did not create semen and eggs.
Report Post »He created ADULT HUMANS, so, there is no reason to believe He did not create a MATURE planet and a mature universe.
If God can WILL matter into existence, there is no reason to think it had to be in any particular form or stage of maturity.
And since we believe God not only CAN, but DID create all matter, all animals, and all of existence, then, we have no problem accepting however He chose to do so.
There are those who try to reconcile science and religion, citing 1,000 years to God is like 1 day to man, or the first day there was no sun so, the day could have lasted a really, really long time.
Me? I don’t need to reconcile anything. My FAITH is all I need. I am perfectly fine using science to carbon date things to determine their age RELATIVE to other things that are carbon dated, etc. I don’t need a factual DATE that a dinosaur was born. It serves me no purpose. I’m not saying archaeology, geology, etc., are not useful, I’m just saying I am fine dealing with them on a theoretical level.
jzs
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:04pmLumbar, there’s an abortion celebration today? Why didn’t I hear about it?
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:13pm“my holy book? i’m catholic joe. darwin didn’t “create” evolution. If you believe that things evolve, it doesn’t mean you have to believe in everything darwin says… Is that mind blowing to you?”
oh so you have your own private theory of evolution? thats nice. but its not evolution.
the racist implications of the theory are clear…
“i’m not sure you know how to argue joe, (with your MS degree, whoa…WOWEEE!) but you do succeed in making yourself look ignorant. ”
I may be ignorant, but I make you look stupid oh so easily…
“You should have died from eating your own poop years ago. ”
you know you try to be nice to some people…you‘re just an ignorant piece of trash who doesn’t have the intellect to understand what I posted much less respond….
you‘re a catholic and you’re too stupid to even understand the nuances of your own doctrine…what a loser.
“i suppose you’ve never worn more than one kind of fabric at the same time”
assinine atheist talking points…you’re a liar as well as a wacko…looks like the truth hurts you sure are foaming at the mouth….
take off your tin-foil and get back on your meds…
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:14pm@ Clive
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:06pm
“Educated people know that…just as they know that evolution is as scientifically solid as gravity.”
Lumbar,
Joe1234 doesn’t believe in gravity either, gravity is made by the devil, its the force that draws us towards hell. And BTW, the earth is only 300 years old. And flat. And theres no such thing as global warming, as theres no such thing as the sun. Also, cigarettes are good for you.
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This should be, ah, special. Lets hear your genius applied the law of gravity. Heck, lets hear your brilliance in defining what gravity is.
I’ll get you started. Gravity is also a relative concept. Though it is the only “law” which extends from everlasting to everlasting, it is also the weakest of the 4 principle “laws” that tend the Universe. Quantum Physics/Mechanics I’m certain, Newton would loved to have explored, even if he was only able to drive a Model A theory.
But please. Explain what gravity is (intellectually of course). This should be priceless Mr. Evolution.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:18pm“Joe1234 doesn’t believe in gravity either, gravity is made by the devil, its the force that draws us towards hell. And BTW, the earth is only 300 years old. And flat. And theres no such thing as global warming, as theres no such thing as the sun. Also, cigarettes are good for you.”
thanks for proving you’re just another lying atheist wacko….I’ve enjoyed making you look stupid….and yes it was easy as hell…loser.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:25pm“But please. Explain what gravity is (intellectually of course). This should be priceless Mr. Evolution.”
this should be good….I’ll get the popcorn….lol
then I’d like them to explain the fine structure constant……
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:26pm“Lumbar, there’s an abortion celebration today? Why didn’t I hear about it?”
its not too late for you libs to do the honorable thing….abort yourselves…and save the planet from global warming…with every breath you’re killing gaia!!!!
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:59pm@JOE…10THCOMMANDMENT AND OTHERS…..Trying to throw scripture to non-believers is not wrong but it is also like thowing pearls to swine. They don’t understand it, they can’t understand it.
They don’t have a desire to understand it. When God see’s even a glimmer in their heart for their desire to be enlightend by the things of God it will mean something to them, but until then they will just reject it. It’s like prior to my conversion I HATED jews, I HATED people that were anti-abortion. Within hours of my awakening I saw how wrong I was. Nobody could jamb that down my throat, it was the H.S. that had to get inside me to show me my thinking was wrong.
Should we not throw scripture out there to non believers……..no! I think they should be exposed to it, it is sharper that a two edged sword and mabey one particular scripture will pierce their heart.
But remember to remain calm, let the Lord’s word pierce them and bring them to their knees as He did to me.
@JZS…..Does it really matter how many day’s it took God to create the world? Does your life depend on it? I mean really. So what if it was 10,000 or 10,000,000 years…..The only thing that matters is that you believe that He did. Read the end chapters of Job, He will explain that for you.
How many of you non-belivers…..ie. Darwin lovers know that it is said that in his death bed in his last moments that Darwin did a 180 and profesed his belief in God and His creation.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:30pm@ motonutt
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:59pm
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You are right. SO!
Lets let some of their more brilliant intellectuals speak for them!
Dr. Robert Milikan, Physicist, and Nobel Prize winner. “The pathetic thing about it is that many Scientists are trying to prove the theory of evolution, which no science can do.”
This is one of their most honest experts.
Dr. Wolfgang Smith, Physicist and Mathematician. “A growing number of respectable scientists are defecting from the evolutionist camp, moreover, for the most part these “experts” have ABANDONED DARWINISM, not on the basis of religious faith or Biblical persuasions, but on STRICTLY SCIENTIFIC GROUNDS, and in some instances, regretfully.
Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and Senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, ” Darwins evolutionary explanation of the origins of man has been turned into a modern myth TO THE DETRIMENT OF SCIENCE AND SOCIAL PROGRESS. The secular MYTHS of evolution have had a damaging effect on scientific research, leading to distortion, to needless controversy, and to gross misuse of science. I mean the stories, the narratives about change over time. How the dinosaurs became extinct, how the mammals evolved, where man came from. These seem to me, to be little more than story-telling.”
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:40pm@ joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:25pm
“But please. Explain what gravity is (intellectually of course). This should be priceless Mr. Evolution.”
this should be good….I’ll get the popcorn….lol
then I’d like them to explain the fine structure constant……
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Joe, I think we’ll have a very long wait for an “intellectual” response. If they can successfully navigate gravity, and structure, I’ll try to show them how the entire architecture of the Universe can be explained in secular, mathematical, and religious terms at the very same time thru Edenic language and scientific equivalence. It will really blow their minds when reality opens their eyes and we can explain it by the very structure of DNA……..with the Bible!
joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:56pm“Joe, I think we’ll have a very long wait for an “intellectual” response. If they can successfully navigate gravity, and structure”
yeah I think you scared them off …..these atheists aren’t nearly as clever as they think they are…
they can throw out the typical wacko darwiniac atheist talking points…but like all good democrat fascist stooges, they cannot think for themselves.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:42pm“Racist atheist fairy tale” Right on point Joe! Keep the conspiracy alive. Oh last time I checked atheist Provine never made it to prison or displayed civil disobedience so here’s to proving yourself (and his own self) wrong on morality… Greg Graffin has a PhD too and he disagrees with Provine. Anyway, Here’s a site to make your head explode since free thinking is impossible for you:
Report Post »http://www.theatheistconservative.com/about/
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:32amCesium
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:42pm
“Racist atheist fairy tale” Right on point Joe! Keep the conspiracy alive. Oh last time I checked atheist Provine never made it to prison or displayed civil disobedience so here’s to proving yourself (and his own self) wrong on morality… Greg Graffin has a PhD too and he disagrees with Provine. Anyway, Here’s a site to make your head explode since free thinking is impossible for you:
Report Post »http://www.theatheistconservative.com/about/
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Please tell me that you’re joking by putting that idiots name out there as your AHA point. PLEASE. heck, Bill Ayers has a Phd, and he’s still an absolute moron.
hillbillyinny
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:47am@ lumbar spine
“HILLBILLYINNY…is this a religious website or a political one?”
Actually “spineless,“ it is NEITHER ”religious website“ or a ”political one”! It is REPORTING SERVICE like Drudge, Huffpo, etc.! The topic of the article was “Liberal Authors Claim GOP Presidential Field Showcases ‘Evangelical Anti-Intellectualism’.” And your response to JZS’s comment was to diss those who were willing to take on faith creationism (within or outside of age of the planet and universe),and who didn’t believe in the specific “scientific” theories of history be put forth in this later days.
You called those who disagree with you and your position “ignorant.” I was stating that you may THINK we are ignorant, and that’s fine with me, but that many of us are VERY educated, we choose to realize that we have not attained the complete knowledge of the Universe and that their may be unexplanable reasons for things that we’ll never understand on this side of history.
In the end, we’ll see who is REALLY IGNORANT, and I hope you’ve educated yourself about the possibilities and have made the correct choice for yourself.
All the best in the not so distant future! (See 2 Peter 3:8 — But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. KJV)
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:59am““Racist atheist fairy tale” Right on point Joe! Keep the conspiracy alive.”
no conspiracy…its in the title of your bible…
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
so list the ‘favoured races’ for us…you won’t… so explain why he put ‘favoured races’ in the title…you can’t….all you can do is blather about ‘conspiracy theories’ LOL
” Oh last time I checked atheist Provine never made it to prison or displayed civil disobedience so here’s to proving yourself (and his own self) wrong on morality”
huh? whats going to prison or civil disobediance have to do with what provine said?? focus…I’ve told you before to take off the tin-foil and get back on your meds…
Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent.”
nothing about crime or civil disobediance…
“… Greg Graffin has a PhD too and he disagrees with Provine. Anyway, Here’s a site to make your head explode since free thinking is impossible for you:
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uh you do know provine was his PhD advisor right? whats funny what you call ‘free thinking’ is not…you’re enslaved to the conventional wisdom. thinking for yourself, or outside the box
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:03am.is clearly impossible for you…all you can do is parrot darwiniac athiest talking points….
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:02pmLate in the conversation here, but…JZS… science by it’s own definition CANNOT prove the THEORY of evolution, nor can it prove the biblical creation. Do you and others not know this???
Also please explain carbon dating to me…. do you know of what you speak?
Report Post »Another one … how come so many qualified SCIENTISTS believe in the biblical creation?
Yet stilll another … how come so much of our present understanding came from bible believing men/women?
Lightman98
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:09amThese guys are beginning to drift in the sea of secular humanism, the official Amercan religion. For intellectually rigorous Christian discussion, see www dot thechristianworldview dot com, sponsored by David Wheaton, the professional tennis player.
Report Post »Lesterp
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:39amThis is not about religion, it is about them trying to say how dumb Republicans are! If you went by what the dems say every Republican president is dumber than the last, it’s a very old play book.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:04pmNo, it is the fact that the GOP dumbed down their message when they moved away from the Rockerfeller Republicans to attracted the Tea Party/NASCAR inbreds. Now, for the GOP religion replaces science, reason, and logic.
joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:44pm“Now, for the GOP religion replaces science, reason, and logic.”
you mean like evolution is your religion?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:21pmjoe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:44pm
“Now, for the GOP religion replaces science, reason, and logic.”
you mean like evolution is your religion?
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No evolution is science, it can be tested, theories can be refined and evidence presented. religion one has to accept on blind faith without question.
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:46pm@ encinom
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:04pm
No, it is the fact that the GOP dumbed down their message when they moved away from the Rockerfeller Republicans to attracted the Tea Party/NASCAR inbreds. Now, for the GOP religion replaces science, reason, and logic.
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I hold 3 Degree’s, and Masters in 2 of them.
There’s no such thing as a “Rockefeller Republican”. That’s a phoney made up lie of the left to disguise the communism espoused by the progressive Rockefeller.
Take your crap somewhere else. We know that you’re an idiot, and you prove it every time you appear here.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:17pmlester, thats not true… the first Bush was pretty smart. And reagan was smart before his brain faded.
Also, mister 3 degrees, go tell someone who cares, your degrees mean nothing here. For such a smart man, you sound awfully stupid.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:53pm@ Clive
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:17pm
lester, thats not true… the first Bush was pretty smart. And reagan was smart before his brain faded.
Also, mister 3 degrees, go tell someone who cares, your degrees mean nothing here. For such a smart man, you sound awfully stupid.
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You’re the same troll who was peddling “intellectuals” above, and now you don’t like it when an educated Christian throws it back in your face.
Absence of intellect is proven in a double standard, and a man who obviously likes to straddle fences is a man with no clarity of purpose, or resolution of integrity. “IF” you’re an adult, don‘t you think it’s about time character and principle should be settled in your life?
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:34pm“Also, mister 3 degrees, go tell someone who cares, your degrees mean nothing here. For such a smart man, you sound awfully stupid.”
yeah you showed him!!! your mommy will be so proud!!
bet you stomped your little feet while you wrote that!!! BWHAAHAHHAH
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:35pm“No evolution is science, it can be tested, theories can be refined and evidence presented. ”
no its faith…no matter what the data, its evolution, PRAISE DARWIN!!!
here‘s an example of ’evolutionarythinking’
It seems that this latest study is just adding to our knowledge of the functions of the appendix. And what is the response from the Darwinists? In the words of Brandeis University biochemistry professor Douglas Theobald, “It makes evolutionary sense.” Oh really?
Dr. Theobald happens to have authored the notorious TalkOrigins’ “29+ Evidences for Macroevolution“ where he claims that the appendix is a ”vestige of our herbivorous ancestry” whose lack of a robust function provides evidence for macroevolution (he admits that the appendix may have “a function of some sort” but contends this is a vestige of its once-important function). But now that we’ve found robust function for the appendix, Dr. Theobald claims, “It makes evolutionary sense.”
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/10/for_decades_darwinists_have_be.html#more
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:10pm@The10thAmendment
Report Post »Prior to the invasion of zombie Christians and the brain dead neo-John Birchers of the Tea Party, before George Will was an endangered species, the GOP was once home to educated conservatives. Gone ar ethe days of true conservative giants like William F.Buckley, Jr., who much like St. Patrick with the snakes of Ireland, cast out the fringe followers of Ayn Rand, Wallace and the John Birchers. Glenn Beck and the tea Party have dragged the GOP well beyond the fringe today.
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:00pm@ encinom
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:10pm
@The10thAmendment
Prior to the invasion of zombie Christians and the brain dead neo-John Birchers of the Tea Party, before George Will was an endangered species, the GOP was once home to educated conservatives. Gone ar ethe days of true conservative giants like William F.Buckley, Jr., who much like St. Patrick with the snakes of Ireland, cast out the fringe followers of Ayn Rand, Wallace and the John Birchers. Glenn Beck and the tea Party have dragged the GOP well beyond the fringe today.
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I happen to disagree with Rand. I believe she was a socialistic parasite, just like every other progressive/socialist/utopian communist.
I could care less about Buckley, or Rockefeller, George Will, or even Glenn Beck. Although of those in that sentence, Glenn Beck is BY FAR the most historically accurate speaker.
I care about the Founding doctrines. The Nations Charter, which is the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution as grounded in intent thru the Federalist and anti-Federalist papers. Anything “short” of those ideals, is gutter trash, and those who peddle it as the way, morally bankrupt fools.
Zombie Christians. How do you ascertain that equivalence? Those words stated together create an oxymoron. MEH, no matter, I would rather be a fool for Christ, than just a plain fool.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:18pmyou all know god so well and speak for him and know his thoughts. could you ask him which is the true religion please. there can only be one. careful his kids a jew.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:53pm“you all know god so well and speak for him and know his thoughts.”
I think He‘s saying something like don’t ask Him what He thinks of you…
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:59pm@ riverdog1
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:18pm
you all know god so well and speak for him and know his thoughts. could you ask him which is the true religion please. there can only be one. careful his kids a jew.
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You greatly err not knowing the Scriptures.
John 8:58 “Before Abraham was born, I am.” Was Abraham a Jew? I get a kick out of the intellectual gymnastics scholars try to apply to this to distort the meaning. But it is the same as Jesus being both the root and the offspring of David. OR, the fact that as being the Price of Peace, Jesus Christ was also who Abraham paid tithes to, as Michelzidek (aka the King of Salem = The King of Righteousness or The Prince of Peace). Interesting that Michelzidek when blessing Abram (before the child of promise came) do so with Bread and wine. The same offering by Jesus at the Last Supper.
I digress. God is no respecter of persons, but it’s simply a fact that he chose the children of Israel to deliver His message, and His plan of Salvation thru Grace.
John 14:6-9 “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus sai
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:02pm(Finishes the above.)
” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’”?
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:28pmYo encinom:
Report Post »“evolution is science”…. now there is a theory !!!!!!!!
Science by it’s own definition makes a theory a fact buy doing real time experiments that prove the theory…..I would really like to see these experiments……..I have until I die… so take your time
drattastic
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:08amYeah yeah we know we’re all stupid and racist , guess it’s too bad we are going to trounce your progressive a$$e$ in 2012.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:35amHow “tolerant” of them. Wait until Nov. 2012 when they really “melt down”.
TEA!
Report Post »PilgrimStuckInBizarroWorld
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:15pmI like your attitude!
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:20pmThis is nothing more than a transparent attempt to recharge the race card.
Report Post »WhatsYerProblem
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:06amSo intellectual integrity among evangelicals would occur only if they accept the liberal, anti-american, anthropomorphic global warming scam, forced wealth redistribution, one-world government, do-what-feels-good TRIPE? mmm-kay. buh-bye now.
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:23pmEssentially, yes. You can‘t be ’reasonable’ unless you give in to them completely. That’s how Obama operates with congress, it‘s how liberal ’intellectuals’ operate in the world of ideas, and it’s the basis for ‘interfaith dialogue’. Intellectually dishonesty is a defining hallmark of the left.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:04amWell, thank GOD for evangelical, anti-intellectual GIANTS who make up the backbone of this country. The “swells” are nothing but empty, self-absorbed windbags, “full of sound and fury and signifying NOTHING.”
Where does it say that GOD “will use the___________ to confound the ____________”?
That’s us, by HIS GRACE.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:58amConfound: to bring to ruin, consume, waste, to put to shame, refute, to increase the confusion.
Confounded: confused, perplexed, damed
Someone is confounded by a confounder. being intelligent is not required, being lead by the spirit is.
Report Post »Being a “true” christian is to be a confounder…. so keep on confounding!… just do it with the love of God and hatred of the enemy… them there is marching orders !
Conservitive Ticker
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:54pmAs I recall, did not Jesus say to love your enemies. To pray for them that hate you and despise you.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:14pmYo tinker:
Report Post »You talkin AT me…. if you read my post you would realize that I did in fact alude to this. I do not mind being corrected when needed… and “kickin” was only speaking truth according to THE WORD of God. I responded because I like the verses of which “kickin’ was refering to; because of the way the Lord does things. Do you know them?
Marrabella
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:04amRon Paul is a medical doctor. Michelle Bachman is a constitutional lawyer. Herman Cain was a rocket scientist (really, in Bell Labs).
Report Post »What is wrong with these people?
When the truth comes out about Obama and his scholastic history, we will be amazed at his lack of “intellectual curiosity”……..lol
JD Carp
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:49amIf they are Republican they MUST be dumb, evangelical racists. Don’t you understand anything? They see themselves in everyone else. Dems think the rich are that way through underhanded means, the way they did it.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:03amSuggested reading…Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy By Eric Metaxas
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:31pmOr anything by Bonhoeffer himself.
Report Post »poster
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:59amThe Left knows they’re going down big time in 2012. The question is, will they try to stop the election from taking place? I think they’ll try something – a “crisis” of some sort. I can see Obama reading from his prompter… “A political change would be very dangerous for the country at this time, so, I’m going to show great courage by not allowing that change to happen.”
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:10amThe crisis would be the OWS useful idiots becoming violent and rioting. Martial law. Suspend elections. You know this is all orchestrated, planned, and well funded right?
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:29amThe left knows no such thing. The real American people are sick and tired of the BS the Republicans are pulling that is bringing this country down.
Report Post »IAMMADDOG
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:43amwhatever helps you sleep at night simpleton.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:23pmyeah, i don’t think obama is exactly shaking in his boots over the ret@rds that represent the GOP pool of candidates. the candidate is going to be mitt. obama has a billion dollars to spend. mitt will lose by a hair. this site will lose its mind.
Report Post »Lotus503
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:58amWhen do you think that these nutjobs will be wanting to erect a monument to Saul Alinsky?
Report Post »JD Carp
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:53amNo! Francis Fox Piven, she is everyone
Report Post »s favorite grand mama, knitting, baking cookies, making pudding, I love her.
stockpicker
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:13pmThey’ll stand it right next to MLK.
Report Post »TxMadMac
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:57amWow, I‘m so impressed that these two laudable intellectuals would take their valuable time to point out to me that i’m stupid. Satan is a liar. These men would have you believe that there is a gray area between right and wrong. Not so except if you’re an intellectual. We as believers read His word and know that while man may play a part in global warming, this is foretold in His word and no tax or electric car will change that. An intellectual cannot stop an earthquake, a flood, a tornado, a hurricane, famines and plagues and yet these are all foretold in the bible. God is in control, not you. Accept it or not. your call !
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:03amCorrection – nature is in control, and we cannot control nature.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:34am@ simpletruths
That may be YOUR correction, but it’s not MINE! God IS in control, but you may not realize that until too late, sadly!
“Evangelical Anti-Intellectualism,“ also known as not ”buying into” the lies of Satan. Not following Eve’s example to short-cut a way to the wisdom and knowledge of God, which I believe humans will utimately attain, just before they realize the consequences of that wisdom and knowledge!
Rather we choose to live a moral life, following God’s moral rules (Love God, love neighbor as self), and thanking God that a physical sacrifice is no longer needed to express the sorrow/payment of sin. The “sacrifice” was not only the ablation on the altar, it started with the giving up of the BEST lamb, calf or fruits (including the seeds) from the farmers’ flock, herd or food source. The “sacrifice” was a real offering in an agrarian society. And just so we couldn’t backtrack and take our offering back, it was consumed on the altar, with the priest and the family sharing in the offering.
Jesus, The Word (the “piece” with which God communicates), perfect God/perfect man, replaced that temporal sacrifice and made the action more understandable to non-agrarian people, and a sacrifice that never had to be repeated as the sacrifice lives still and will return for His own when man goes too far with our minds without using our hearts! Good versus evil, in Real Time.
“Intellectualize” that!
Report Post »IAMMADDOG
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:46amHey simple….I agree…we cannot control nature. Which makes the “global warming” crowd wrong. AND that makes you a hypocrite for backing them.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:34pmIf we can’t control nature SIMPLETONTRUTHS…why do you and your ilk insist we “go green” to stop global warming? You let your mask slip off kid you better ask your keepers for an answer to my question.
Report Post »CS_GUY
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:57amIts a Times Editorial. They are specifically designed and written to inflame any person who is not a flaming liberal……… Its the The New York Times!……the most liberal and inflammatory publication in America.
Report Post »Ignoring them is one of my favorite pastimes!
Beautiful City, lunatic media…………
Black3Actual
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:56amAnti-intellectual? Rejection of science? Apparently, this author is so ignorant as to NOT understand that science only “helps” us understand things, it does NOT provide any definitive answers. If it did, we would still be back at the point of thinking matter is made up of fire, wind, earth and water. Sad that those who are so anti-faith cannot see that they trust an ideology that requires more faith than a belief in a Creator.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:20amA God who would let us prove his existence would be an idol”
Report Post »— Dietrich Bonhoeffer
South Philly Boy
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:55amTypical LIBERAL TRIPE
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:04amWell…we’ve seen what liberal orthodoxy produces….9.1% unemployment, growing debt, stupid students…the list is quite large. Just look at Obama’s gaggle of academiia ensconced advisors and administration. John Holdren Obama’s “Czar of Science” believes he has constitutional authority to sterilize American women en masse or force them to have abortions. Or Energy Secretary and Berkeley professor Stephen Chu..and the Solyndra/Sunpower debacle. These liberal elitists no longer have any influence when they try call conservatives “anti-intellectual” because they’ve proven to be abject failures when removed from their liberal academic cocoons and placed in the real world.
Report Post »Bruce_Almty
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:55amAnd the authors think a community organizer would be better? Let me see if we have any examples of community organizers in way, way over their head. He should go back to the community and forge voter registration forms.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:53amThere’s not a real intellectual in the pack except Newt Gingrich, and he’s afraid to showcase what he surely knows: that evolution is a fact, and that climate change is at least in part man-made.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:03am“that evolution is a fact”
LOL keep the faith.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:56amJoe, I’d like to get you, me Gingrich in a room alone. I’d lay odds he has nothing but contempt for the deliberate obscurantism of Santorum, Perry, Bachmann, etc., and a certain degree of self-loathing for the way he has to play along with it to get votes from the ravening pack.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:06pm“Joe, I’d like to get you, me Gingrich in a room alone. I’d lay odds he has nothing but contempt for the deliberate obscurantism of Santorum, Perry, Bachmann, etc., and a certain degree of self-loathing for the way he has to play along with it to get votes from the ravening pack.”
I’d much rather be in a room with a couple of tall lovely blondes….but be that as it may…you’re probably right….gingrich supports global warming…I don‘t really know why he’s bothering to run for president as a republican…
so I take it you’re a democrat, since you refer to republicans as a ‘ravening pack’…..SO unlike those ‘genteel’ OWS ‘sophisticates’
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:11pmYo Lloyd:
Report Post »It is my understanding that Newt has turned back to his faith in recient years, what that entails I would admit to not knowing the details of. However, he has on a number of occasions made it his effort to say that ANYONE of those in the debate would be far better as President then our current one. I don’t know which debates you have been watching. I also have not seen him pull his punches or hide from what he thinks at any time. This is one of the reasons that I like him.
Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:52pmJoe: No, not all Republicans. Just the ones who think earth is 6000 years old and the Flintstones had it right about humans and dinosaurs living at the same time.
4Truth2All: Gingrich has converted to Roman Catholicism, which has by and large made its peace with evolution, the likelihood of human-induced climate change, and a universe that is not geocentric.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 1:48pm“Joe: No, not all Republicans. Just the ones who think earth is 6000 years old and the Flintstones had it right about humans and dinosaurs living at the same time.”
oh yeah you mean REAL republicans like lindsey grahamnesty…john mccain…and olympia snowe…
good luck winning elections.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:41pmYo Lloyd:
Report Post »The catholic church belives in evolution … that is unfortunate.
You have ruined my day…. I thought the flintstones were a true depiction of a real family of the time…dag… the world needs to know this! I cannot believe they would put that on TV and mislead children that way.
Moozmom
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:53amI so need the book’s authors to do 2 things for me;
Report Post »Give me the absolute scientific evidence that man created global warming.
Give me a series of fossils showing me that evolution caused the changing of one animal into another animal.
Unless I would hold these two proofs, I would not believe a word of their book.
And yet, I believe in Jesus Christ. Because he has spoken to me. Amazing, isn’t it?
And no, I’m not some nut job.
powhatan
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:49amwierd…to reject God and rely on our own minds. hmmmmm
Report Post »starman70
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:54amSeculr Humanism!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:48amthese liberal clowns try to deceive people….their ‘science’ is scientism….atheism…their religion…global warming and evolution are part of their faith.
real science debunks these atheist fairy tales, but no amount of data would ever disprove them to the faithful…its why they’re not science.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:48amRon’s a good doctor and a good congressman. Let’s stop there, k?
CAIN, baby!
Report Post »Cymry
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:47amLiberals can “claim” all they want and that is usually all they have is “claims”. They are dillusional in the sense that they believe that what they think is a strict definition of everyone’s reality. Liberals operate on a emotional level and engage any “logic” to construct arguments to support the initial “feeling” they had that motivated them to action. They will then continue this “action” past the point that they themselves see the emptiness of the initial feeling and it’s lack of standing in reality. The reason they do this is because of vanity, pride. Alinsky gave tribute to satan and like-minded progressives have the same thought processes and share the sin that brought satan down…….pride.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:45amThe Clinton’s once psychobabble returns! http://commonsense21c.com/
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:45am” they see the Bible a “sacred book.”” OK, that’s just code for “we don’t believe in the infallibility of scripture.” If you don’t believe the Bible, why would you claim to be evangelical or even Christian for that matter?
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:41amWell, if anyone should know anything about anti-intellectualism it’s definitely liberals and their blind allegiance to global warming, social “justice”, wealth redistribution, abortion, and excessively high taxes…..
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:38amI would looooove to have these folks on my radio show. Bring it to my show, fellas. I will educate you.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:52amGlenn needsto invite these authors to his show. It would be a keeper of a show.
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