Liberal Christian Group Says You Must Choose: Ayn Rand or…Jesus
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Billy Hallowell
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The left-leaning American Values Network (AVN) believes that Christian voters need to choose between either Ayn Rand or…Jesus. According to AVN:
Prominent GOP leaders have praised Rand’s philosophy and beliefs. But Rand made it clear that you can’t follow her and Christ. The GOP budget, authored by Rand acolyte Paul Ryan, is the perfect example.
AVN claims that Rand’s teachings are a “direct contradiction to the Bible.” The organization takes particular issue with Ryan’s (and other GOP politicians’) endorsement of Rand. AVN says: “Paul Ryan can’t have it both ways, and neither can Christians.”
This is not the first time the organization has come out against conservatives. The Daily Caller sheds further light on the leftist positions the group has taken in the past:
AVN heavily pushed healthcare reform as a “moral values issue,” strongly supported the government’s stimulus efforts and promotes climate change legislation.
What do you think? Watch the ad for yourself:
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Comments (711)
thermonator
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:43amBlah…… people can’t distinguish a persons ideas?
Report Post »Conservatives like her ideas on capitalism not religion or God.
Hitler was an animal lover, so does this mean you should put your dog to the curb?
Arkansawyer
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:59pmCouldnt say it better.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 3:45pmWell, her ideas on capitalism don’t seem to pan out when you test them in the real world. A lot of the money in this country has ended up in the hands of people who are not by any stretch of the imagination makers, they’re just really successful takers. Politicians who claim to be her followers to justify policies that support that status quo aren’t following her ideas they’re just using them, just like both they and this group are just using, rather than following the teachings of Jesus.
Report Post »Reavist
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 9:23am@CHET … her ideas on capitalism do not pan out when testing in the real world?
History does not agree with you. The real world of the Pilgrims started with socialized agriculture. The whole community of about 100 settlers worked the land and divided the profits as each family or individual had a need. (Marx liked that idea too) The REAL WORLD result? It was a disaster. Under that system they became lazy and selfish and there was wide spread starvation and strife. Then, Governor Bradford assigned a parcel of land to every family, creating a system of private property. The result? A whole bunch of ambitious workers. More crops were planted, and those with extra, sold it for profit. The colony flourished. Socialism almost destroyed them. Their adjustment to a free market system is foundational in the success of our country. Not to forget, they were also devout Christians.
It’s one example of why capitalism is the better than any other system tried. The problem today is that we’re getting too far away from it. We need stop mixing it with socialism. We get back to the basics and we’ll do fine. A study of William Bradford’s colony would do you good.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 10:49amuh chet, the real teachings of Jesus are not socialism. the bible says if you do not work, you do not eat. how hard is this? Jesus never asked Pilate to set up a medicare of social security system..guess he just forgot huh?
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:37amGo to that AVN website, they are NOT Christians, this is yet another one of those phoney Soros cover groups pretending to be something and pushing Code Pinko-commie agenda’s… they are a total farse and a lie, read up on their Nuclear Arms views and other things, they coyly are trying to disarm and disable the United States from being able to protect itself and all other freedom pursuing countries and people’s, they are skewing the truth about Jesus and God and are attacking the GOP while they are at it, these people are a complete and utter LIE…. warn everyone you know to be wary of this group, don’t support them, don’t donate to them, tell everyone to avoid them, pass this on to every true freedom loving, God fearing people you know…… these people are frauds!!!
Report Post »ClockKing
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:04pmYou’re right. AVN is a left-wing front group.
Report Post »Tharpie
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 2:36amHere’s a facebook page exposing it.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/American-Values-Network-Connected-to-George-Soros/151454048261658
Report Post »olddog
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:36amThere is NO such thing as a Liberal Christian. The left is responsible for removing prayer from schools, the 10 commandments from court houses, any religios symbol on government buildings and on and on. Liberals merely hide behind religion trying to make us believe they are good. They are not good and they sure as hell aren’t christians..Anybody disagree, let’s here it!!!!
Report Post »PerniciousD
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:41pmThis liberal does not hide behind religion. This liberal thinks religion is Satan at work. I think I’ve made that clear in my posts about the LDS Church – I think those people have been lead astray by satan. They are not Christian. They have no idea the evil that has controlled their lives and even the way they dress every day.
It’s not about religion. It’s about God. Those who hide behind institutional religions are usually, but not always, social conservatives. Those who connect to God . . . the more they connect they more liberal they become.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:44pmYou are wrong.
There you have it.
Report Post »Lonescrapper
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 5:51amPerniciousD
You can’t be correct, since most of the people in your church (Mormon) are socially conservative. Either you are wrong, or almost everyone in the church you extol the beliefs of is wrong. Mormons most definitely don’t teach that the government is the source of compassion and even teach against defining how people connect to God. You can’t worship god and mammon, which is what you are doing when you advocate government intervention over individual responsibility (and connection to God). If you truly believe in the doctrine of the LDS faith, you will let others decide how they connect to God… not you.
Report Post »christos
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:36am……The lady’s voice for the commercial to me was creepy,GOP should have probably chose someone else for their case of economics,hence the liberal left twisting & using this against them,oh as if the liberal left are in line with +GOD+JESUS+ WRONG,no proof of that,,,MUD PIE IS THEIR LOT.
Report Post »fragglerk
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:33amI guess my thoughts don’t count on The Blaze comments without using profanity. I’ve noticed others complaining on here also. Either you post them or you don’t….. if you don‘t we’re gone.
Report Post »fragglerk
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:30amLiberal Christian ? They can believe what they want… no problem from me. Why is this news? We have many problems in the world and here at home, this is not one of them.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:11pmCapt-
“Another Randbot trying to turn Rand’s bleep into ice cream.”
This coming from a guy who sprinkles his bleep with sugar and cinnamon is HILARIOUS!
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:29amBy choosing Any Rand you ARE choosing Jesus… Jesus taught us to be individuals, to be self responsible and to shape our own destiny’s and that no one, no govt, no other could rule over man, that man must govern himself by following the rules set forth by God and that man only had to follow God and live his life in accordance to God.
Jesus never taught that people should give all of their work, earnings and lives to the Roman Empire, so that the Roman Empire could take all of that and distribute it out to others as the Roman Empire saw fit…
No Jesus taught “God helps those who help themselves” and by being able to help yourself you could DIRECTLY reach out on your own, and not through a government, to help others… That is what Jesus taught and THAT is what Ayn Rand shows us in Atlas Shrugged….
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:01amJesus taught compassion. Rand reviled compassion.
Report Post »jeff.cooper
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:09pm@ Tifosa No, you are wrong. Ayn Rand has stated that compassion is proper. She fully believed in having compassion and sacrificing ones self for those which you value.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:45pmOMG
Another Randbot trying to turn Rand’s bleep into ice cream.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:28amThat’s a nobrainer!
JESUS, first and always.
Nothing else matters.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:53amAmen, grace triumphs over works, lest man should boast.
Report Post »Jesus Saves.
NEOBIO
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:28pm“when the day come there will be no liberal chirstian in haven”
Report Post »garyganu
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:27amS.E.Cupp is also an atheist and a conservative. It is possible too be both, but not very common.
S.E. Cupp is also the most beautiful woman in the world. That too is not very common.
Report Post »OH, I Get It!
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:24pmYou can be an athiest and moral; You can be conservative and charitable; You can’t be leberal and consistent.
Report Post »Profx72
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:24am“I Swear by my Life and my Love of it that I will never Live for the Sake of Another Man, nor ask Another Man to Live for Mine.” – There is a distinctive difference between Charity and Slavery, and anyone who has actually read “Atlas Shrugged” understands that difference. Charity is being willing to help those who are willing to help themselves by providing them the OPPORTUNITY to do just that. Anything else is Slavery, forcing the receiver to be dependent upon you for their life and happiness. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that indicates that it is somehow holy or good to enslave anyone, including yourself. The parable of the Rich Man was that you can’t buy your way into heaven, not that having wealth is a sin. If you don’t have wealth, then how can anyone CHOOSE to be charitable? And how is it right to expect others to bear your burden? I am sick & tired of the “Self-Righteous Hypocrites” corrupting the simplest and most practical philosophies of life out of some misguided and corrupted understanding of them. http://www.maverickvoice.com
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:24amValues and Principles. Political correctness, and decadence have gone hand in hand for the last 50 years, and it’s time to take a stand for the things that are important for a society to survive. Last week Herman Cain came out against homosexuality, but added it’s their choice. All individuals every day of their lives are faced with many decisions that will make up what our destiny will be, It’s good versus evil, by either crossing the line, or choosing not to. I’ll choose actions over words everytime, and I’ll never give in, or give up.
Report Post »geonj
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:24amand yet, christian liberals support murder of unborn children.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:51amBut they save the whales ! And that’s gotta make the liberals “ good ” , right? Not so much I think.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:53amJust a disingenuous statement. We also support children AFTER THEY ARE BORN! (food, health-care, education)
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:31pm@Tifosa
There is an extremely obvious reply to your comment.
I’ll bet you can not tell us what it is.
Report Post »KENTUCKYREDBONE
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:36pmExcellent point! While I ain’t a big fan of Ayn Rand (I read part of Atlas shrugged once) I can’t see these leftist abortion loving,pervert supporting Folk’s as following Bible principles ethier!
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:11pmidk, TROB, maybe call me a troll? ;) I‘d think it would fit libertarian ideology to support a woman’s RIGHT TO CHOOSE rather than mandating Dr’s to make certain statements, outlawing abortion, (truly making government small enough to fit between my dr. and I, and even smaller to fit in my uterus.)
Report Post »nawma
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:22am@Kook – Isn’t it a bit arrogant of you to assume you know what we read? Many of us have read The Coming Insurrection and Rules for Radicals, aren’t those your guide books?
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:26amI assume that most of the posters here have not read any book.
Report Post »Nigel2
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:29am@KOOK. Must be why you are here then. You can feel more intellectual. It must be hard to be a liberal believing they are more intellectually superior and be such a dummy at the same time.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:42amActually Conservatives are HUGE readers, its is Liberals who talk about how smart they are, yet most don’t read, they just pass hearsay and innuendo back and forth to one another….
Why do you think Conservative books are always top sellers and liberal books barely make the bottom of the rating charts… no one reads liberal lying crap.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:49am@Capt. Kornhole
Report Post »I love your arrogance, which is my way of saying that by the time I was fourteen I’d read more books than you probably ever will. Including Marx, Faulkner, and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, I’d love to have a serious debate against you on any subject Kornhole, for you’ve already lost in underestimating your opponent.
CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:40amI read enough Ayn Rand in high school to know that she was full of bleep.
Report Post »jeff.cooper
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:58pm@Kook “Rand was full of [bleep]“… so you say and based upon your posts at The Blaze, I am not surprised by your statement.
The advert misconstrues Ayn Rand her philosophy of Objectivism. It is impossible to break down an Objectivist’s view on religion or government without understanding Objective Reality, Reason, and Rational Self-Interest first. Just like in the advert, detractors of Ayn Rand will pick apart a certain statement without a full understanding of the foundation which the original statement was made from. Did Ayn Rand believe religion was evil? Yes, because religion compels the believer to puts the needs of others ahead of your own – the key word is “compels”. Objectivism states that every man is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. Objectivism rejects selflessness – Altruism, which religion advocates.
What is interesting that in less than a week, the Left has attacked Rand as the Straw Man in the Obamacare lawsuit and in this anti-GOP “guilt-by-association” advert. Clearly, Progressives can’t argue the merits of their BIG government policies because there are no merits. Perhaps that is why the Left hates Ayn Rand so much because Objectivism rejects policies like Obamacare that limit an individual’s liberty and their right to choose.
On my bookshelf:
Report Post »Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, Anthem, Philosophy: Who Needs It?, The Virtue of Selfishness, Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand.
CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:11pmOn my bookshelf:
Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, Anthem, Philosophy: Who Needs It?, The Virtue of Selfishness, Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand.
And I’ll bet you agree with every idea she proposed, which was basically supported the idea that
“what‘s good for ME is good for ME and that’s good enough, and all other considerations like compassion or altruism that interfere with ME getting as much for ME as possible are just not part of MY chosen morality.”
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“Altruism is evil” – along with all other commonly held moral teachings such as those of Christianity was her bottom line.
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jeff.cooper
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 3:34pm@Kook
Toss up whatever label you care to, it means nothing to me, but who are you quoting?
Your characterization of Objectivism is wrong. Objectivists do not believe that one is morally obligated to serve others but will choose to do so of their free will, without compulsion or coercion because the initiation of force is evil. I understand ethical Altruism fully and I reject it. I will not be forced by means of a gun to act against my own free will.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:29pm” I understand ethical Altruism fully and I reject it. ”
No kidding..
OF COURSE you do.
I knew that because I know exacly what Objecticism is.
A justifiation for contempt of common human decency – if that’s what you choose.
Freedumb is yours.
Enjoy it.
Report Post »jeff.cooper
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:57pmWhat is “common human decency”? Who decides it?
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 6:02pmjeff.cooper
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:57pm
What is “common human decency”?
Everything Rand was against included it.
Report Post »jeff.cooper
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 6:11pm@Kook
Report Post »Your answer is vague. So what do you mean then by everything Ayn Rand was against? Either you know specifically what you meant by “common human decency” or you don’t.
jeff.cooper
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 8:06pm@ Kook You almost prove the point in my original post rings true regarding the left’s inability to discuss the merits of an issue. Can you support Altruism in any way, or will you continue to copy+paste portions of my post followed by your mealy-mouthed remarks?
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 8:49pmJeff, if you need me to explain just what common standards of decency are you probably won’t live up to them anyway.
After all, Ayn Rand has told you that it’s OK to exempt yourself from them.
Report Post »jeff.cooper
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:03pmI get it; you can support the merits of Altruism or you can’t or you choose evade it. The phrase, “common human decency” is a vague statement that has no specificity. If you choose to back up your statements with euphemisms, that is your choice. Nice discussion.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:20amAs soon as I read the headline I knew that this was going to be just another example of the liberal “moral value of the moment”. That is to say when ever a liberal “ anything” holds a conservative up to a moral value in anything, they, the liberal, have never possessed that value internally.
In fact it is my belief that liberals/ progressives/ socialist’s can NOT receive internal validation, that they just can’t accept the fact that only GOD is good. This is why we see the liberal salvation theology being bought wholesale by those so called “ Christians ” on the left, it is a theology of works, of external validations that together liberal Christians or just the left are “ good ”.
Any true believer in Christ Jesus can tell we that the “ saved ” are saved by grace and not by works, lest any man should boast. That “ grace ” is a heartfelt acceptance in the sacrifice Jesus made for all mankind upon the cross of Calvery, and the repentance of sin that the acceptance requires.
If feel sad for any person stuck in a belief system based upon works, and there are quite a few so called Christian church’s that are.
I don’t hesitate to call out false teachers, like Jim Wallis of Sojuroners a man who has Obamas attention. I also call out these “moral value of the moment ” situations we I encounter them, which is often. It’s nothing more than a disingenuous attempt for manipulation, and an opportunity for a liberal to get a momentary self-esteem boost. All i
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:49pmIf the headline of this article began with “Christian group” instead of “Liberal Christian group” I‘ll bet more people posting here defending Ayn Rand’s “Christianity and altruism are evil” philosophy might have understood that that was her true opinion of morality – it’s only for suckers.
Report Post »FREDD The WILSON
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:23pmIsn’t AVM an adult porn media website?
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:18amNO LIBERAL IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW TO VOTE, Republican or Democrat. A liberal is a liberal and will NEVER speak for me…that goes for social and/or physical liberals, D or R.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:24amWhat the hell is a “physical liberal”?
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:36amfinancial
Report Post »Doug Piranha
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:56amI think the word she was reaching for is “fiscal.”
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:20amYes, Doug, thank you. Sometimes my brain is in reverse, glad I’m the only one that happens to. :-)
Report Post »cgbs6183
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:13amIt is ironic that an Atheist like Ayn Rand and her philosophy was more in line with the values of Christianity than this organization.
Thou Shall Not Steal or Psalm 128:2 You shall eat the fruit of your labor of your hands, you shall be blessed and it shall be well with you.
Yes for you sticklers i know this scripture has a dual meaning about spirituality, but that only helps further the point.
I’d say Ayn Rand would be very much in agreement with this philosophy yet, AVN likes government sponsored theft.
Government is an agent of the people therefore it cannot do what the people don’t have the authority to do on their own. Like take money from one keep a portion for themselves and then give it to someone else.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:11amNot being a Bible scholar, please tell me where in the Bible it says that a government should take money money from one person and give it to another. I understand that it encourages charity, put that is for the individual, not a government.
Report Post »Sicboy
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:28amSorry to break it to you buddy, but. Read Mathew 17, 26 “From others,” Peter answered.
Report Post »“Then the children are exempt,” Jesus said to him. 27 “But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours.” I hate it just as much as you do. But we have to follow the law.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:29amAs a Chaplain I will say this much, and take it for what you deem it to be worth:
The BIBLE does not say anything about the government taking from the people to give it out as charity to anyone; while Jesus did say “Render unto Caeser what is Casers; and unto God what is God’s” that shows the clear line between the two systems. We live within the laws of the land, and the faith of God is done by ones own choice and expression of the heart in giving of gifts to aid the poor and needy.
Chairty is a matter of love, expression of faith and compassion, and a fulfillment of joy in chosing to share the prosperity God has entrusted you with. It still is the individuals choice to do or not to do, and to where they chose to give it if so.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:38am“Chairty is a matter of love, expression of faith and compassion, and a fulfillment of joy in chosing to share the prosperity God has entrusted you with. It still is the individuals choice to do or not to do, and to where they chose to give it if so.”
Sure. so when he said that “what you do for the least of these you do for Me” he was just sorta making an offhanded suggestion.
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A31-46&version=NIV
Report Post »hi
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:31pmCaptain The Bible says “what did you do for m?,’ not “what did you force the government to force people to do?’
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:46pmAyn Rand saw no difference – her opinion of the basis of altruism – government, individual or otherwise was:
Report Post »Altruism is evil.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:54pm@Captain Kook:
The one part apperantly missed in my posting in regard to charity is this:
We are called upon by God to be charitable, yet each of us choses to do so or not; each will still be accountable for all that is done – as you showed in your own posting, what we do for the least of the family of God we have done for Him as well.
Charity truly comes from the heart, and should be each persons free choice of giving along with how and how much and to who it goes to – not to be forced or confiscated by the government.
Apperantly we are both drawing the same conclusions on the subject, just from different angles.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:16pmI agree with your premise SnowLeopard. I’d like to expand it a little. Wisdom and knowledge are 2 very different things. Wisdom is the Mother of Faith, Hope and Charity. Not the knowledge that mankind likes to ascribe wisdom to. But the knowledge we find in a heart of understanding Wisdom. When we pursue Gods Wisdom the necessary fruit will blossom and address the needs naturally, because we reside in Gods will.
I detest taxes but, unfortunately they exist in this Country. Economy and service to God can interact where our duty to God is to abide under the governance we find ourselves, and render to Caesar the things that are Caesars.
The two are not opposed concepts. The broad idea of taxes however is opposed by the foundational premises established for our governance according to the Founding Fathers because it arbitrarily subverts liberty.
Report Post »Coldheart
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:54pmSorry to disagree with you, but first let me at least give a wink and a nod to staying on topic.
I started reading one of Miss Rand’s books in high school [late Fifties]. Frankly, almost from the outset I found it ethereal and quite uninteresting. I love to read non-fiction about real people.
Let me explain: I was trained to put God first, Country second, Family third, and Self last. As far as I am concerned that is still my decision tree. My Motto is : Be Prepared! I still try to follow the Boy Scout Law. And I still read my Bible everyday possible. I dislike individuals who want me to become like some piece of dung that missed the toilet they were on.
If love of God, Country, Family, and people is passe` why are you folks even here talking about things you have very little knowledge of. Have you ever sat down with a sixteen year old refugee from Castro’s Cuba who watched her father brutally murdered? Have you ever held in your hand a Romanian Hymnal that was hand written and sewn lovingly into a book? Have you ever had to look into the eye of a Pastor who spent 15 years in Siberia without medicine for his heart condition?
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE TEACH ANYWAY? To love God with your whole heart, your whole mind and your whole strength. If you do not want to work you don’t eat! And you ALWAYS leave plenty in your fields for the poor. Oh! I forgot, that would mean they would have glean it the hot sun.
My bad!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:17pm@ColdHeart:
I have listened to the first hand stories told of refugees who have come to America; one of where a young girl fled Communist China after seeing her whole village exterminated for hiding one wanted man; another lady who as a child fled the Rape of Nanking while a Chinese minister held the doors to the house shut so the family could flee.
I have seen the look on a Vietamiese soldier and his wife as they explained being ‘guests’ of the then Viet Kong forces for daring to stand in their way; The horror and quaver of one family who escaped from Romania during the purge of the Christians and all undesirables by Cheuchesku (not sure of the spelling) as they told me of the cross country escape and narrowly dodged times of near capture.
Yes I have heard it, and seen the looks in their faces.
And each one always tells me the same thing: America is my home now, I am free here, I will stay free or die free.
That is one source of inspiration I have gained for this nation over the years for our great nation.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 8:20pmJeff, if you need me to explain just what common standards of decency are you probably won’t live up to them anyway.
After all, Ayn Rand has told you that it’s OK to exempt yourself from them.
Report Post »Enjoy.
Sicboy
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:11amGreat, now we have more fools telling us we must choose one or another. Well I pick Jesus and all of his principles and I think Ayn was on the right track with her economic principles. Everyone should follow @JamesGRickards on twitter, this guys is a Christian and has a brilliant economic understanding. Oh, don’t ever let some “liberal” tell you you must choose one or another.
Report Post »Nigel2
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:27amI don‘t let ’some liberal” tell me anything.
Report Post »nomercy63
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:10amAnother Blaze story to get 5 million Bible quotes, brings all the nuts out regardless which side of the issue!
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:26amNice to see ya! :D
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:42amYes, we’ve noted that your here, that will be all for you, the pea“ nut” gallery for now, thank you.
Report Post »Smug
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:37pmI have briefly been skimming through the comments here and I didn’t notice any bible verses being quoted. I think most here, are independent thinkers. Granted most are conservative, so they share the same values and just because they have different values and belief system than you, doesn’t make them “nuts”. I thought liberals were supposed to be open minded and reasonable, but I see that it only applies, if it fits your narrative…………MSSMUG
Report Post »PerniciousD
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 6:38pmCrowing about how religious you are does not mean you have any relationship with God. It means you like to draw attention to yourself – you like people to think you are pious. Look at me . . . I’m religious, I follow certain rules, you don’t, I’ll get a special reward in heaven, you won’t . . . I’m so special. I get it. You know Jesus, you follow Jesus – and I don’t. You win! Don’t you feel special – can you all crow a little more about how you have the real Jesus and nobody else does. It’s pitiful.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:09pmIt also brings out all the nutjobs who cannot count and like to exaggerate.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 3:12amThe rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
Report Post »Mark Twain
tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:08amYou could “salad bar” her, take what you want. She herself said that she’s “against God” She didn’t believe in God~ period http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTmac2fs5HQ
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:33amAshy do you struggle so hard to kick GOD in the goads?
Report Post »So what if Rand did not believe in, GOD? what does that have to do with a conservative knowing that the present Government of Amerika is a boat load of sickness and entitlement sloths?
It has nothing to do with Rand at all, it has everything to do with the fact that you are a works based person, you can not achieve ” peace, nor validation ” internally, thusly you “ feel good ” only when every little thing is micro managed by so all powerful human entity, like government so everyone is equal. Sadly the end result is always the same, everyone is equally poor and desitiute, with the exception of the government elite that suppose to “ care” for their peoples.
You liberals are the most manipulative people on earth, by far, as well as the mist vapid. Devoid of any true moral fiber, you cling to collectivism and liberation theologies because you just can’t except one simple fact, that no man is good, but GOD alone is good.
I laugh, out loud, at liberals whenever they play this disingenuous card from their arsenal of equally insipid cards, like race, your killing ……………, you like wars, your all rich, and ten thousands of other equally untrue, and blatant attempts to give the liberal their morality “fix” of the second.
Your ilk is not only sad, it’s almost unsalvageable, perhaps Rand was right, the only solution is to ship your ilk off to far distant lands in slow leaking boats, a one way journey. Bon Voia
TennesseeConservative
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:35amNo matter one’s particular beliefs, right is right, wrong is wrong. It never changes. Some people have eyes to see truth. Like spending your way out of debt, is insanity. Socialism has always failed, and always will. Truth stands on its own. These are immutable self evident truths.
Report Post »So the lefties want to tell us about what GOD meant? They can not even recognize plain truth.
tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:24amand likewise, cutting our way to greatness as a country is not the answer. Investing in education, infrastructure, technological growth (where do you think nanotechnology came from?)
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:43amBETTERDAYS, you believe what you’re told about “liberals”~ much of what you and others in here use to define “liberals” as a whole is just waaaaaaaaay off. The pundits on the right, including Beck and editors in here, have been very successful at shaping your thoughts, or validating what you think you already know, by repeatedly telling/showing only select pieces of information. Yes. Many of you have become EXPERTS in tiny pieces of information, sometimes misinformation. The collective “you” (I realize not all) believe that you’re uber-intellectual but will never feel fully validated/vindicated politically because the bulk of the informed America look at both sides, can see positive points from both political sides and will elect candidates who are NOT politically polarizing. Just sayin…
Report Post »AtheistLiberalMarine
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:11pmExactly, I don’t have a problem with conservatives who look and consider both sides because they at least understand what the other side thinks. They don’t just have off-base misunderstandings of us evil America and god hating liberals.
Report Post »jumbles
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:17pmTIFOSA..explaining the obvious to these people is like flogging a dead horse.The narrow tunnel they are crawling through takes a straight route with no diversions.Their simple train of thought can not withstand questions contrary to their blinkered beliefs.Some of them even appear to be dangerously psychotic (as you witnessed last night).Your sense of fair play and open mindedness is admirable to a rational and impartial mind but you will find their are not many here that will fit that description.
Report Post »AtheistLiberalMarine
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:39pmThere are some here that will at least try and have a debate, but most of the time if you try and say anything that isn’t agreed with by most you just get called a troll. But I come here for the few times I do get to talk to people who want to actually have a real discussion without just calling people anti-American communists.
Report Post »NatalieF
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:04pmYou sign on with a name like LiberalAtheistMarine and you expect people to not judge you? You’ve already told us all that we need to know, thank you very much.
Report Post »jumbles
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:41pmNATALIE….what’s the F for,F#@kwit?
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:34pmCaptainKook-
Your version of “John Galt’s plan” sounds an awful lot like Jesus’s plan prior to/during His Second coming. Do you abhor the writings of John the beloved as much as you do Rand?
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:43pmJabber
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:34pm
CaptainKook-
Your version of “John Galt’s plan” sounds an awful lot like Jesus’s plan prior to/during His Second coming. Do you abhor the writings of John the beloved as much as you do Rand?”
If you think that, you must really hate Jesus Christ too to imagine that He would act like such an evil monster.
Revelations: a book written by someone who ate too many magic mushrooms.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:08pmCaptainkook-
“Revelations: a book written by someone who ate too many magic mushrooms”
And there you have it folks! His regard for the Word of God-in his own words. Perfect.
(It gets even better when he posts HALF of the story where Jesus Himself speaks about dividing the nations after His return-you know, the warm fuzzy part where Jesus tells the sheep they have inherited His Kingdom for doing something kind to ONE of the least among them. CaptainKook inexplicably stops before the part where He tells the goats that they didn’t make the cut with the words “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”
Now, does Jesus hate Jesus or was He just warning us that He is an evil monster? :P
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:06amTHEY WISH!!! AYN RAND: “I won‘t life my life for you and I don’t want you to live your life for me” . Think about that. There is virtue in SELFISHNESS but that doesn’t mean what casual observers thinks it means. RAND was a RUSSIAN at the time the COMMIES were overbearingly in charge. THEY brainwashed their kids to “NO GOD” not “KNOW GOD”…. HER rebellion has a lot more to do with being ANTI COMMUNISTIC/SOCIALISTIC than ANTI GOD.
The JESUS she might have thought she knew was actually a lot more likeable ! Jesus teaches us that those who are given much, much is expected. That means excellence in what we do. Effort.
I enjoyed her NOVELS and I think we could all benefit by understanding what she means re: Commerce than the bloody Socialists who have a strangle hold on the world right now (they’ll lose, they always do). I don’t recall in all the writings of hers I have ever read that she “took on GOD”…I think her whole deal was to be responsible for our actions…that OUR actions have consequences, but she certainly wasn’t a liberal fool who breeds helpless slaves.
Report Post »llotus
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:57amcaptainkook……thats sounds a lot like calif. cutting the water off to the farmers and the drilling stopped in U.S. only to be financed in other countries with our tax dollars. Lotus.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:18pmWell, you imagine things.
Report Post »NatalieF
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:03pmWow…someone went to their Facebook for reinforcements huh? What’s the matter, can’t stand on your own?
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:03amAyn Rand: fascist apologist and hater of all moral values.
Funny thing is, the sad thing about the film of “Atlas Shrugged” not being completed is that you won‘t get to see the part where Rand’s “heroes” commit mass murder of the rest of us unworthy subhuman Americans including those who claim to be Christians.
Report Post »JAtlasShrugged
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:07amOdd I don’t remember that in the book, what chapter and page was that?
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:13amHave you read The Fountainhead, remember Howard Roark?
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:14amHe’s just adding to it, claiming she didn’t finish it, claiming he, capncukoo knows in his infinite wisdom, she wanted to murder millions of people like HIS OWN socialist marxist communist nazi buddies have done for the last century.
He wrongly believes that if he calls other people haters long enough and loud enough that he can hide his own hate. We have always known the truth, and the truth makes us free and immune to his nonsense and his lies.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:19amWhy the trolls are awake ,thought you people loved atheist . I guess only commie atheist.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:21amAddicted to amphetamines, characterologically-damaged, authored books which COULD NOT PRAISE ENOUGH the VERY WORST of qualities of human nature. And….hero/role model (?) to the far right….go figure ;)
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:23am.Advocating the idea of a “more human than human” superman seizing the planet was the whole point Rand wanted to make. Average – to her – was subhuman.
John Galt
Report Post »“promised to ”stop the motor of the world,” to kill 90% or so of Earth’s population by intentionally wrecking the economy. Which he then did. How? By finding every other competent engineer or manager in the US and persuading them to be just as selfish as him, just as unwilling to pay back or protect their country; he declared a covert “strike of the mind,” as he called it. He hid them all in a secretive compound in the Rocky Mountains, protected by force field and invisibility cloak, and waited for the US economy to collapse, which, obligingly, it did — because John Galt had carefully sabotaged the bridges and railroads that made it possible for fuel and seeds to make it from the coastal cities to inland farms, and make it possible for food grown on inland farms to make it to the coastal cities. And as chaos was breaking out, he and his fellow inventors hijacked every radio transmitter in the US to broadcast his manifesto: You all deserve to die, for asking us to pay you back even one nickel, because we are all so selfish we don’t consider any of the things you all paid for out of your taxes and that you did with your labor to have been at all helpful to us as entirely self-sufficient brilliant inventors and managers. So die.”
http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/who-is-john-galt/question-1639053/?p
50BMG
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:30amYou clearly haven’t read the book. Or perhaps you’re just not intelligent to understand it. Not only did John Galt not commit mass murder (or any murder), but the selfish ones were (are) the people who demanded something for nothing.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:31am@ CAPTAINKOOKOO & TIFOOLSA
Report Post »Are you“two” the same person or your setting in the same room? Seem to show up at the same time ,with the tag team thing going .Just sayin.
capitalismrocks
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:40amHmmm… that’s not in Atlas Shrugged… you must’ve picked up your copy and read from the Communist Manifesto again….I’m sure you have 100 copies in your govt provided housing unit.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:16amRead about what Ayn Rand said about William Edward Hickman. Sociopath loves serial killer/dismemberer.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:19amLater in the book, Galt says of his plan to destroy the Moochers, i.e. most of Humanity::
“And the same will be happening in every other industry, wherever machines are used- the machines which they thought could replace our minds. Plane crashes, oil tank explosions, blast furnace breakouts, high tension wire electrocutions, subway cave-ins, and trestle collapses- they’ll see them all. The very machines that made their life so safe- will now make it a continuous peril … You know that the cities will be hit worst of all. The cities were made by the railroads and will go with them … When the rails are cut, the city of New York will starve in two days. That’s all the supply of food its got. It’s fed by a continent three thousand miles long. How will they carry food to New York? By directive and ox-cart? But first, before it happens, they’ll go through the whole of the agony- through the shrinking, the shortages, the hunger riots, the stampeding violence in the midst of the growing stillness … They’ll lose the airplanes first, then their automobiles, then their trucks, then their horsecarts … Their factories will stop, then their furnaces and their radios. Then their electric light system will go.”
Go for it, Randbots.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:27amCappyKook, the words is “Randroids.” :^)
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:45amLiberals would prefer to continue to think/believe we form our ideas, philosophy and spirituality all from a single source of thought. They can’t fathom any other belief because of their own narrow beliefs.
Rand’s ideas are nothing but a beam within the framework of conservative thought; the foundation for me will always be the constitution and the Founders.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:00pmWhat matter most to me? Freedom! “The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities” A.R.
Report Post »tankchaser
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:53pmI guess my copy of Atlas Shrugged ended different than yours, in my copy the capitalists (heroes) retired to Galts Gulch and waited for the looters to destroy themselves. If I were you I would hold on to the copy you have it may be worth some real cash as it must be the only copy that ends the way you describe.
Report Post »Then again I guess refusing to provide for all of humanity could be considered murder when your a looter in the book.
CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:16pmRandbots like to claim to think that one‘s responsibility to others ends with one’s own self.
“Atlas Shrugged” is a celebration of denying responsibility for the results of one’s actions on others –
hey, the Gulchers didn’t kill off most of humanity – those subhumans chose to starve to death when we destroyed the distribution infrastructure, the stupid morons.
Even though we lit the fuse, the explosion ain’t OUR fault, right, Gulchers?.
If the engineer jumps off the train and it crashes – not the engineer’s fault – those Moochers should run the train themselves!
Randian morality is so very simple – Looking Out for Number One is the only morality!
The REALLY funny thing is that so many “conservatives” actually believe her BS:
that without her imaginary Supermen running the world we subhumans would just sit down and die in dumb misery, incapable of making any decisions regarding our own welfare.
THAT’S a “conservative” way of looking at humanity?
http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/1/2/9/8/1/9/bobtaf-41707074866.gif
the follow-up to “Atlas Shrugged”
Got to love a book that tells you that most of you and your fellow humans are just worthless bags of flesh taking up space in a world that the supermen should have to themselves.
You’d also love “Mein Kampf” I’m sure.
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Dudebro
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 8:41pmYou fail at reading comprehension CaptainKook. Really, the lack of understanding in some liberal-Democrats is unbelievable. I even understand some socialist and communist sentiments.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:02amLiberal Christian ,isn’t that an oxymoron ?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:08amKind of like:
Honest Politician.
Report Post »Trustable Used Car salesman.
Someone who says “I know what I am doing” (followed by ambulances arriving)
drattastic
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:17amPeace loving muslim, Constitutional democrat, progressive wisdom ,we could go on all day.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:25am@Drattastic:
Indeed, thank you for the others I have missed.
Report Post »OlefromMN
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:31amI‘m from the government and I’m here to help.
I think one can be on Ayn Rand‘s side and JESUS’. But that’s just my silly personal thought.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:58amYes, DRAT, as long as you can freely invent oxymorons that are not based in truth, you certainly could go on all day… btw, the trending FOXymoron is: “Fox, Fair and balanced.”
Report Post »Dudebro
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:54amTIFOSA:
“Clearly, for anyone who has read the referenced material, Ayn Rand was able to abstract away from the concretes of the Hickman case the fictional premise: What if someone did something that was against the mores of society, but was actually morally *just.* Would the reaction of society be any different? Or would it be exactly like in the Hickman case (which OBVIOUSLY Ayn Rand viewed as unjust). You see this theme in the Fountainhead. And in a lot of her works
The philosophical premise she is challenging is the idea that actions are moral or immoral *because of the values of society.* Perhaps that premise is best expressed in literature in Tolstoy’s Anna Karinina. In that story the protagonist dies a lonely and miserable death because she seeks romantic love outside of her miserable marriage and is thereby shunned by society and thus is doomed. Ayn Rand was opposed to that approach to morality, because she thought morality should be determined by the rational self interest of the individual and not by society.
Report Post »Clearly Hickman was not following his rational self interest. Ayn Rand never implied that he was. She was merely posing a hypothetical– what if someone defined his own morality by his own standards, which (unlike Hickman) were rational? How would society react if his morality opposed their own collectively defined morality, and how would he handle it in turn? That is a common theme in her literature, and any serious reader will understand. Articles like
tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:21pmDUDEBRO, you certainly try to recreate the truth! :) Direct quotes from her refer to Hickman as a “superman” “ideal man” as he had a “wonderful, free, light consciousness“ as he was unfettered by a stark absence of comprehending ”the necessity, meaning, or importance of other people.”
Report Post »As far as I’ve ever seen (in both HS and college readings) she was wholly uncritical of him (a forgerer, robber, murderer, dismemberer)~ I’d invite an example of one criticism of Hickman.
Obsydyon
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:49pmTif: Ayn Rand called Hickman a degenerate, and openly recognized in her journals that she was idealizing aspects of his personality and rejecting what he did (essentially calling him a waste, and purposeless).
By all rights, since conservatives should so abhor Rand for her atheism and admiration of a murderer killed by the State, shouldn’t the liberals adore her?
Report Post »honor007
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:00amFunny lil’ liberals~!
Report Post »talk about your closed minds!!!!
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:04amIndeed…
“Liberals and Progressives, are as Al Gore and Biden; smiles openly, brains on fire from thinking.”
Thank God most Americans have more common sense and brains than most of the left gathered all togeather.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:08pmMaryElizabeth said (and CaptainKook agreed)
“The headline of this article is biased. It is meant to direct the opinion of the reader.”
OH MY GOSH!!! That darned headline DID direct me…to the opinion at AVT. l clicked on the link provided by The Blaze and it led me to AVT’s actual group/website where at the top of the page it says “Christians must choose:Ayn Rand or Jesus” !! And THEN I did some checking and found out that INDEED AVT is a “leftist/liberal” organization.
SO READERS BEWARE!!! The title of this article will lead you to the opinion that this article is indeed a factual report about a liberal Christian group saying you have to choose between Rand and Jesus!!!
Can someone who cares please explain the term “brainwashing” to Mary and Kook? Use small words and lots of pictures.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:11pmOh…and just so you know Kook-ALL Christians (or at least all the ones who can read) understand that they have to choose Jesus over EVERYONE else-who ever lived. Ever. And even us dumb conservatives know that means Glenn Beck too. You’d be surprised to find that Mr. Beck agrees to that as well.
But just in case you’re wondering-if I have to choose between Mr. Beck and YOU……not even a contest sweetie. Heck, if I had to choose between a bag of hair and you….you’d still lose.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:21pmYeah – that’s why so many “Christians” are falling over themselves trying to find reasons to agree with this Christ-hating wackjob.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:58amWhy do these people just not let the American people make up their own minds; the people of this great country are more than capable of doing so, given the opportunity and the FACTS of all matters.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:05amWho are “these people”?
How the heck can you “make up your own mind” when you’re only exposing yourself to far-right-wing extremist thought?
TomFerrari
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:10amJust because she was an athiest, does NOT mean her economic principles were incorrect !
There are MAKERS and there are TAKERS.
Which one are YOU???
Who is John Galt !!
Report Post »Gas137
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:36amThe idea that a person’s worth lies in what she can do, what work she can perform, and faith in a supreme being are not mutually exclusive. The current supporters of Rand’s extreme views are focusing on individual effort and responsibility. They are not supporting her rejection of religion.
Report Post »MiketheTrucker
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:38amI believe the “choice” is a no brainer, at least for 80% or more of the population.
Report Post »Independent Tess
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:39amI agree with Ayn Rand’s economic philosophies, though not her spiritual ideas. I just see her as stopping one step short of the ultimate Cause (of everything) – God. This doesn’t negate her reasoning. It just means that she chose not to follow it all the way back to the original Source.
Report Post »SeasonOfReason
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:42amThe issue of Ayn Rand is a bit confusing to me. Some in the religious right flock to her idea of individual responsibility and ignore her atheist ideology while some on the right agree with her atheist ideology while at the same time, follow her dogmatically as if she has some sort of ultimate authority.
Report Post »408 CheyTac
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:46amLiberal Christian group… That is like “jumbo shrimp” a complete contradiction in terms.
I would contend this group can not ever be both Christian, and Liberal; To which they are is obvious, they are throwing Christ overboard for liberalism.
But a load of dumb arses will follow them-Wait, what was that about false prophets coming in his name? I see one-do you?
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:51am@CaptainKook
Since you believe your blanket asumption that people whose views differ from yours are “only exposing themselves to far-right-wing extremist thought” is true, then the reverse assumption that everyone holding the same view as yours are “only exposing themselves to far-left-wing extremist thought” must also be true.
So how in the heck can you make up your own mind?
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:58amThey are progressives and therefore feel ENTITLED to tell people how to think! In reality, these people have neither christianity or jesus…Their religion is PROGRESSIVISM!
Report Post »joe conservative
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:59amAside from the obvious reasons, I could never be a liberal just due to the fact that I could never sit around and tell others what is best for them. How arrogant do you have to be to do that? Liberalism is a mental disorder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUqKHTW5_Y
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:03amAlways funny to see christians scramble to defend their paganism.
Report Post »dcx10music
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:06amLeftists are just as bad as the Religious Right that they despise so much when it comes to abusing and picking and choosing religious material to hang over peoples’ heads. Both sides love to source isolated examples from the Bible when it fits their argument, but are willing to throw the rest aside when it doesn’t. Something tells me that’s not what Jesus had in mind.
As for Ayn Rand herself, the woman was a genius and was absolutely right about just about everything. I believe that when left alone, people tend to be generous and want to help each other out. Forced compassion is no longer compassion, just an annual tome of forms that take forever and a day to fill out.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:07amJOE CONSERVATIVE, guess you‘re not paying attention to what’s happening in the House and with Governor’s in states. They don’t just “sit around and tell,“ they are LEGISLATING what they ”think is best” for the rest of us.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:11amI choose to reply to these people, Mind your own F,N business, You, the Liberal Christians? , on the other hand have to choose between following or nor following our Constitution. Period
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:22amMidWestMom
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:51am
@CaptainKook
Since you believe your blanket asumption that people whose views differ from yours are “only exposing themselves to far-right-wing extremist thought” is true
I see no evidence to the contrary here.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:26amI‘m pretty sure Ayn Rand’s fans will be in here soon saying “Leave her alone!”
like the Sarah fans do.
Yeah – let her sociopathic pseudo-philosophy that has taken over the minds of many “conservatives” go un-answered.
Report Post »Ironmaan
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:36amAyn’s philosophy is right on the money with one exception, and that is that there is no god. Her philosophy is one of freedom, liberty and self reliance.
Report Post »http://guerillatics.com
richard the lion-hearted
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:37amObviously a group comfortable with hijacking the truth of the teachings of Christ and pervertingv them for power and recognition.
Report Post »hargisP
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:40am@ CaptainKook
Report Post »At least the right has a mind to make up. You don’t you let the Communist do your thinking.
tobywil2
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:41amIf I must make a choice, I will choose Ayn Rand! http://commonsense21c.com/
Report Post »Itchee Dryback
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:44amTypical leftwing nutbaggery. “You must choose___________!
No I don’t, and neither does anyone else.
Why are liberals so dumb? Do they really not know, or are they really that dumb? Liberals…you MUST choose which one it is!
Report Post »Okieflyover
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:45amWhat you become is your gift to God.
I see more and more liberals that want to define our “goodness” by how much we give away to people who don‘t produce and who don’t want to produce. Do we need to help the needy? Yes. Do we need to have a Nanny State, No?
We have no leaders in either party encouraging people to produce vs. patting them on the head when they don’t want to produce. I am not talking about the producers who are out of work in this economy. I am talking about the multi-generational environment of people who do not wish to produce and feel like they are owed something. That number grows every year and is almost to the point that it will be a perpetual choke point on our economy.
For all of you libs out there whose head just exploded…… Social justice can’t work because people need to be engaged in our society in a positive way to be part of the overall equation. Just being there with your hand out and feeling sorry for yourself does not give you a right to what someone else has produced. Unless you truly want a communist state, but even the communists in Russia and China have figured out that does not work.
The poor in this country are better off than the poor and even middle class in most of the world. If we cannot have that discussion, we will never be able to encourage people to rise above their current situation. My grandparents did it when they came.
Succeeding in this life and having moral and religious values are not mut
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:48amAyn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged was right on, politically. She’s been hailed as a genius for seeing this, way before her time. As for her personal beliefs, I am totally against any of her moral values or anti-christian attitude. What we’re fighting for right now is getting our Nation on the right track before we fall to the vultures as Rand pointed out. The book is popular because it makes us think (so rare) instead of letting the ones in power keep leading us to slaughter like the sheeple we’ve become. Jesus is my saviour.
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:52amMy opinion is that if you do not believe in a Supreme, loving, Diety of some sort you have choosen yourself to be a diety or another flawed human to be your diety. Without a loving GOD you have no moral compass and if you think you do, it’s very subjective and can change to fit your needs, I have not read Atas shrugged or many other books for that matter but I have read the Bible through many times. If you have never read that Book then, in all honesty, you are not too well read. Oh and to think there are people who believe the earth evolved from a bowl of soup or the big bang theory, they will believe anything to maintain their self diety and make their own moral guidlines, GOD will not be mocked. Rand is just another wing nut who worships herself.
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:53am@SNOWLEOPARD
YOU can’t have it both ways. I read many of your posts here – in which you complain bitterly about other folks whose views differ from your own. Now you say that the people of this great country are more than capable of making up their own minds.
WHICH IS IT??
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:56amLet me tell you something.
The headline of this article is biased. It is meant to direct the opinion of the reader. This is more of Mr. Beck’s social engineering using the theories or Bernays and the Overton window. Brainwashing.
stop stop stop
There is no difference between Ayn Rand and Aleister Crowley. They said the exact same things
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:00pmActually Rand’s philosophy is the opposite of what Christ taught. “My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.
—Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Note in particular the statement that a person’s “own happiness is the moral purpose of his life…” Sometimes Rand’s philosophy is summed up as the “morality of selfishness.” The heroic individual makes his own rules and that altruism (helping others) is a weakness. “[T]here is one word—a single word—which can blast the morality of altruism out of existence and which it cannot withstand—the word: ‘Why?’ ” – Ayn Rand, Philosophy: Who Needs It
This truly is the opposite of Christianity. If you can find a Christ quote that says that man’s supreme purpose is his own happiness and that helping others is weakness, please post it here. The two philosophies cannot be reconciled.
Report Post »catfanatic1979v1
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:01pmHow can you be a progressive and a christian at the same time? You pretty much have to insert your entire political belief system in there and ignore the entire bible. Even an atheist like me knows that only individualist right wingers can be christians.
Report Post »seeker9
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:02pm@CaptainKook
What exactly are you? Communist, socialist, progressive, or just coservative opposition?
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:04pmAVN is so right! Everyone needs to read at least one Ayn Rand book right now! Before it’s too late!
Oh sorry, guess they didn’t suggest that….
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:11pm@KOOK
Outside of a select few venues, we have been bombarded by nothing BUT “Far left views” for decades.
The age of “New media” has been, and will continue to change that in a big way.
Your ideology is dieing. Albeit too slowly for my liking, but I see good things on the horizon.
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:23pm@CaptainKook
“Since you believe your blanket asumption that people whose views differ from yours are “only exposing themselves to far-right-wing extremist thought” is true
I see no evidence to the contrary here.”
Again based on your assumption & statement, one could switch left for right – and also see no evidence to the contrary here.
Personally I don’t arrogantly assume that I know what information individuals – from either “side” – have read, heard, experienced, thought about or listened to that form their opinons or beliefs.
Report Post »oldasdirt
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:47pmLiberals claim they own compassion.They care about the poor.Lets take a quick look at liberal compassion,circa 1960s. HUD. HUD was liberal compassion.Look at what they did with their compassion for the poor.They spent alot of money.But was it aid,,or control. The total monies spent could have bought every American a single family home.But what liberals did with that money was to buid stack and pack houseing called Projects,or better known as gehto’s.The liberals chose to stack and pack the poor into these sections of cities,,,out of sight-out of mind.They pulled the police out,and sent drugs in.All to keep control of these people,the liberal way.Not compassion! CONTROL.
Report Post »Liberals have no compassion.They want rule by control.
CultureWarriors
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:48pmAnyone who is opposed to the idea of individual responsibility is a parasite and their opinion matters not. Religion doesn’t have anything to do with it.
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 12:51pm@ marybethelizabeth
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:56am
Let me tell you something.
The headline of this article is biased. It is meant to direct the opinion of the reader. There is no difference between Ayn Rand and Aleister Crowley. They said the exact same things
Exactly.
Report Post »burned at edges
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:15pmA Very Poor job of editing. You see her moving during a question…it cuts away to another clip of her saying yes. The other times she supposedly speaks you can tell it is a computerized voice.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:16pmThere is no question but that one must choose Jesus over Ayn Rand. But Jesus is God, so his philosophy is more comprehensive and universally true than any other single mere philosopher. Plato didn’t get it all right. Neither did Aristotle, or Kant or Kierkegard, let alone Nietzche or Heidegger. One has to sift them for what is good and leave the bad.
Rand is brilliant for highlighting the virtue of individual merit and accoplishment. This perspective is a necessary antidote to the concept of collectivism and everything that goes with it. But it is not enough. Rand doesn’t understand the necessity of community and the essential flaw of human nature that requires Virtue to fight it corruption.
Given the identity of this group I would argue that there is little “Christian” about it. They represent the polar opposite of Rand’s philosophy and are just as uninterested in Christianity, but less honest about this fact. I prefer Rand’s honesty. That way you know exactly what to sift ut of her thinkinbg and where her flaws lie.
Report Post »henryKnox
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:20pmI never expose myself to far-right-wing extremist thought. I think the far right is much like the far left – chaotic. I follow Ayn Rand and I stay pretty much in the middle of the road. Since the middle is far right from where @captainkook stands, he thinks that is far right.
Report Post »PerniciousD
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:22pmConservatives miss the point once again.
1. Conservatives are intolerant of those who don’t share all of their “core values” – just look at how good republican candidates have been assaulted by fellow republicans for simply acknowledging global warming.
2. Until it suits their purpose to be tolerant – such as the Ayn Rand issue. And then they throw their core values out the window.
3. So to liberals think its funny to see social conservatives embracing Ayn Rand.
If you kooks could tolerate different opinions from people who are alive today – that would be something to behold.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:24pmRand was a very good writer, and having known the socialist way of absolute despotism she understood the practicality of Free Market ideals.
Rare that I ever have a widely divergent path than Beck, but on Rand, I have one. She lived her life here on the public dole and accepted government handouts like they were her private bank account. Odd, because that’s what American taxpayers were for her, her personal bank.
Follow her or Jesus the Christ? I wouldn’t follow Rand down a hallway, much less as a devotee. Jesus on the other hand? Anywhere he leads. Before the hate descends. I’m a Constitutional Moderate who would never back a Democrat, and certainly not a Progressive. I felt sick having no other option than George Bush to vote for because he’s a right wing Progressive. The left as they stand are death by storm trooper mass extermination. The right conversely as it stands is death by a thousand paper cuts.
I think I’ll stick with the Milton Friedman methodology of economy. He had a great mind and lived it. Rand? I’d put her in the same boat with Dorothy Day. A fraud who got lucky writing a book against the values she lived.
Report Post »joe3
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:34pmdam, id think the godless red left would love rand, this will backfire.
Report Post »prolifeevangelical
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:36pmI am a very conservative Christian and I also think that we should have questions about Ayn Rand. Not because she was too capitalist (capitalism is the biblical model of economics) but because she didn’t understand what capitalism meant (it is not about greed like she said). Check out a discussion on Rand here:
http://religionannarbor.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/the-danger-of-sanitized-biographies-ayn-rand-edition/
Report Post »nobammy
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:40pmI totally agree. The far left thinking is scrambling… I am enjoying them squirm. Looks like another pathetic effort to pander for votes. They are highly underestimating the true american spirit; those who can (and do) think for themselves… I always enjoy your posts snowleopard.
Report Post »psst
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:52pm@Kook. who said: How the heck can you “make up your own mind” when you’re only exposing yourself to far-right-wing extremist thought?
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Ummmm! I would venture to say that you obviously exposes your thoughts/opinions and ideas (shall we say your total self) to the vasssst extreme Left-wing Ideologies.
Showtime
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:54pmMorning, Snow!It’s getting really old, you know? A bunch of Progressive liberals who would spit in the faces of our Founding Fathers are telling the American citizens what we HAVE TO BELIEVE?
Just realized something — If Anthony Weiner believes that he can take a leave of absence to get “tweetment,” he has forgotten that there were also graphics involved in his scandal. Not gonna forget. How can we? And we discussed it for three weeks. His face will forever remind me of “his junk.”
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 1:59pm“I think I’ll stick with the Milton Friedman methodology of economy. He had a great mind and lived it.”
Ask the people of Chile about Milton Friedman’s ideas.
Those ideas were forced upon the Chileans by the dictator Pinochet, with Friedman’s personal involvement as an advisor.
In 1973, the year General Pinochet brutally seized the government, Chile’s unemployment rate was 4.3%.
In 1983, after ten years of free-market modernization, unemployment reached 22%. Real wages declined by 40% under military rule.
In 1970, 20% of Chile’s population lived in poverty. By 1990, the year “President” Pinochet left office, the number of destitute had doubled to 40%. Quite a miracle.
Pinochet did not destroy Chile’s economy all alone.
It took nine years of hard work by the most brilliant minds in world academia, a gaggle of Milton Friedman’s trainees, the Chicago Boys.
Under the spell of their theories, the General abolished the minimum wage, outlawed trade union bargaining rights, privatized the pension system, abolished all taxes on wealth and on business profits, slashed public employment, privatized 212 state industries and 66 banks and ran a fiscal surplus.
Freed of the dead hand of bureaucracy, taxes and union rules, the country took a giant leap forward … into bankruptcy and depression. After nine years of economics Chicago style, Chile’s industry keeled over and died.
Report Post »http://www.gregpalast.com/tinker-bell-pinochet-and-the-fairy-tale
PerniciousD
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:10pmAyn Rand believed in the power of reason, believed in personal responsibility, believed in personal choice, believed in relying on yourself. I‘m thinking of doing that but I have to check with the LDS Church’s Living prophet first.
Report Post »Truth Wins Every Time
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:11pmTo anyone whe can read……and think.
Choices we must make………
Choice 1. Sit on behind all day waiting for hand-outs to get me through life.
Choice 2. Learn all I can, get a job, work hard, pay my own way, help others when I can[if they deserve help].
Darn, what should a person do?
Well, if you checked out my life, you would find that I chose #2. Started working at age 13. Learned a whole lot of things [still learning] Bought and paid for everything I have or I ever had. Helped others when I could.
Report Post »I chose to be conservative. Work, save, and do for myself and family. Kept my beliefs to myself until I voted. Never told another how to live. Stayed away from idiots and walked away from “know it alls”.
So if you chose your way of life and I chose mine…….you live as you choose. I enjoyed my life. Can you say the same honestly?
We are all individuals! We are not a collective group.
independentvoteril
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:11pmSeems to me that the left must really be scared.. they KNOCK Christians.. so all of a sudden THEY are pretending to be the top of the moral pile.. BUT promote MURDER.. STEALING.. ADULTERY.. LYING.. Thinks depitcting the son of GOD disrespectfully.. and we are suppose to beleive that IF we like RYAN’S plan we are somehow NOT following or believing in GOD?? .. Some no matter if I beleive in GOD or not I surely would NOT beleive in the LEFT and their WARPED since of right and wrong..
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:14pm@ISLES
Report Post »“Jesus is God”
“Jesus” is not “god”. “Jesus” is the image of the beast. Yeshua is Adnoai(Lord). Same man, different interpretation of His teachings. One is Rome’s image the other is Messiah. “Jesus” is anti-christ; that is, the Roman lies of Yeshua’s teachings. The perfect deception, the mirror image. Maybe this will help:
Yeshua = Jewish = Law Giver = Law Obeyer = Prophet = Messiah
jesus = Roman(creation) = Law Changer = Law Breaker = False Prophet = Anti Messiah
Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:17pmEvery time you say the word “Liberal” – a puppy dies
Report Post »p0wam3
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:23pmThose who suffer under the misconception that WE THE PEOPLE are lambs, easily lead, are sadly mistaken. We can and will make up our own minds and when the time comes, “they” will realize that those they underestimated are a force to reckoned with!
Report Post »seeker9
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:26pm@CaptainKook
So you are a Marxist! You haven’t moved to Chile yet? I am sure they would love to have you.
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 2:53pmLet God be true and every man a lier. Even if Ayn Rand was right about some things she was very wrong about the most important things, those things of the spiritual world she was totally clueless. The fool has said in his heart that there is no God.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 3:07pmHey! can anyone find that video that AVN (American Values Network) put out a while back warning about the racist anti-American church the Obama’s used to attend?
Report Post »swampbuck
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 3:16pm@capncrunch
this religious group is left wing not right wing…
Report Post »Enuff Zenuff
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 3:40pm.
I love Ayn Rand’s objectivism but still consider myself a deeply spiritual Christian. Ayn was able to succinctly express everything you need to know about money, capitalism, and love in a few brief speeches within her books; but when it came to spirituality, IMHO, she railed against organized religion in a disorganized way that rambled on for so long that it showed to me she didn’t have a clear answer for satisfying the questions we each have about our spiritual nature. She correctly pointed out many of the abuses of organized religion, but I erred in rejecting God whole-cloth.
That doesn’t mean that we should reject everything else she had to say. Ayn Rand’s expression of Capitalism may not be perfect, but it is better than any other form of government for advancing mankind because it rewards hard work and good ideas. Christian values are more than adequate to make up the difference for those who deserve help; but no amount of bleeding-heart liberalism will ever be enough to help those who refuse to help themselves; or who prefer to steal from others or leech off of society. Those people deserve all the scorn that both Ayn Rand and Jesus heaped on them.
Report Post »Enuff Zenuff
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 3:46pmCORRECTION TO MY ABOVE POSTING:
Report Post »I meant to say :
“but SHE erred in rejecting God whole-cloth.” ( not “I” erred)
Showtime
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 3:51pm@Captain Kook ~
Give it up, Captain. There are far more better-informed minds than yours here. Every time you open your mouth, your big troll foot steps in it. What size mouth do you have? (Use shoe size to answer question.)
And, please, stop wasting our time!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 3:57pm@marybethelizabeth
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 11:56am
Let me tell you something.
The headline of this article is biased. It is meant to direct the opinion of the reader. This is more of Mr. Beck’s social engineering using the theories or Bernays and the Overton window. Brainwashing.
stop stop stop
There is no difference between Ayn Rand and Aleister Crowley. They said the exact same things
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MaryMultipleName ~
STOP! STOP! STOP!
You and your ilk of Progressives have no room to talk when it comes to “propaganda.” The MSM is a prime example of that. They tell us lies, slant the truth, and avoid any scandal involving the usurper of the White House.
“Don’t try to blow sunshine up my butt!” ~ Congressman Allen West
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:00pm@Dtom
“Maybe this will help”…………….
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The only thing that will help YOU is heavy medication.
Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:05pm@tomferrari, thats an infantile view, what about makers that take? What about the corryption on wall street that created a whole bunch of takers? Rands philosophy is cartoonish at best, and openly unchristian.
Report Post »BlazingInSC
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:40pmI think it‘s important to understand that this is not a stab at compatibility between Ayn Rand’s fiscal ideology and religion, but rather it exposes the perceived incompatibility between her Objectivist philosophy (rooted in individualism) and Christianity (rooted in collectivism). Leonard Piekoff – who is the keeper of Ayn Rand’s philosophy – has stated to me directly that Objectivism and Christianity (or religion in general) can not co-exist in the context of Ayn Rand’s philosophy. I, for one, personally believe that they can coexist because I believe that spirituality is a personal (hence individual) journey anyhow. There are others out there who have adopted a spiritual Objectivist philosophy as well.
But, this article served its purpose – it got everyone riled up at some Liberal group for pointing out exactly what the keepers of the Rand estate would tell you if you simply asked them directly (like I did). It makes everyone here who support Rand’s philosophy and are Christians get all mad because someone pointed out the flaw in their compatibility and thus are trying to convince you that you are wrong for it. Take a stand already! Remember, do your own research and you won’t be caught off guard with this kind of stuff.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:41pmThis is a pretty powerful commercial against Paul Ryan.
Report Post »Timekeeper
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:49pmPeople do NOT have to choose between Rand and Jesus…That is no choice. Peopel CAN beleive in RAND’s Individual responsibility, freedoms, and it’s exercise…and …still believe in Jesus. …and @captainkook – your moniker says it all.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:52pmCaptainKookiest said.
“Ask the people of Chile about Milton Friedman’s ideas.
Those ideas were forced upon the Chileans by the dictator Pinochet, with Friedman’s personal involvement as an advisor.”
The economy was not the flaw, the dictatorial process was the flaw. In the dictatorial processes Friedmans methods became Crony Capitalism, which is what is being imposed by Obama, although they are using the never successful fallacy of Keynesian economics.
The Free Market that Friedman advocated was one and the same as that of the Founding Fathers of the United States. It also happens to be the system of economics that propelled America to becoming the greatest Nation that has ever existed on the face of the earth. Why? Because the economy was founded under the base ideals of personal liberty. The Free Market Economy which resides in the Civilization of Capitalism is tugged and pulled by the form of governance. Naturally it won’t work out very well in dictatorial regimes because the model requires liberty of the individual to succeed. In the Republic established by the Founding Fathers of the United States, liberty was assumed, not arbitrary.
It wasn’t Friedmans economics that failed, it was Chile and China’s governance that failed.
Report Post »ReviveOurNation
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:53pmFrom the the same people who take bits and pieces of the Bible!?!
I believe that the Bible is inerrant and God-breathed, but I can discern information, concepts and ideas other books and authors, including the works of Ayn Rand.
All your attempts to separate and confuse will not work anymore.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:57pmNo they must choose…Liberal or Christian…Can’t have both you Godless suckers…
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:22pmRE: “It wasn’t Friedmans economics that failed, it was Chile and China’s governance that failed.”
Right – that fascist experiment in Chile was designed by Friedman and implemented with his personal input.
Good work, Milton.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:32pm@ginsberg
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 4:05pm
@tomferrari, thats an infantile view, what about makers that take? What about the corryption on wall street that created a whole bunch of takers? Rands philosophy is cartoonish at best, and openly unchristian.
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Talk about unchristian!
Tell us about the plan of the Obama regime regarding the FEMA camps — over 800 of them, that WE WERE TOLD were for illegal immigrants? What a crock of poop! That doesn’t hold water because the borders have been porous for 30 years. The FEMA camps are empty, for now, but they ARE MANNED and READY. For whom?
I’ll tell you for whom. They are ready for Christians, right-wingers, those of us who uphold the Constitution, those of us who are against the agenda of Obama’s regime, those who do not believe the liberal media’s propaganda, those of us who are trying to educate the masses so that when the time comes, they will understand the reason for the steel seats in the railroad cars and the eye bolts welded to them.
No charges, no Constitutional rights, no court trials. Just internment camps for anti-socialists.
If that isn’t “transforming America,” then tell me WHAT IS! Obama doesn’t want to head the New World Order. He has bigger dreams. He wants to head the Muslim caliphate. You iokay with that?
Report Post »Harvey
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:33pmThis is fulfilment of prophecy,its only the begining and it wont stop until The born again Christians hear the trumphet blow and we meet Christ in the air.
Report Post »These fools in Washington are suppose to be smart people but they do some of the stupidest things anyone can imagine.Theres not one of them that could pour liquid out of a boot without the directions written on the heel.
Anti_Spock
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:38pmHey Ayn Rand… Anthony Weiner has something for your orafice.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:43pm@HARVEY ~
Members of Congress are the greatest threat to America’s future. They have either been threatened or paid off, and so have the Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court. They ALL KNOW what Obama is but do not have the testicular fortitude to stand up and uphold our Constitution.
Allen West is the only one who is not to be intimidated, I don’t believe; but even Allen West has not taken a stand against Obama’s illegal usurpation of the White House, the felonies that Obama has committed, the fraud against the American people, and the overreaching of the regulatory agencies. But he knows, nevertheless. They ALL do.
Report Post »tommee
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 5:55pmSorry folks, but Ayn Rand’s economic principles are based on her atheist philosophy of Objectivism. If you are a rational person, you can’t have it both ways without contradicting yourself. But then no one should be surprised with the majority of folks around this neck of the web…. contradicting oneself is part of the norm.
Report Post »DogTags
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 6:13pmLiberal theology is nothing more than secular humanism in religious terms. The liberal theologian will always side with the secular humanist on any issue. Liberal theologians are preaching a false gospel and have no moral authority to convict anyone.
Report Post »longhorn mama
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 6:27pmI just had an epiphany I want to shout from the rooftops. Ayn Rand was an Atheist Jew. Karl Marx was an Atheist Jew. As Christians, we are free to pick and choose good ideas from non-believers all the time. Examples are abundant in science, medicine, and industry.
Report Post »However, the so-called Christian Left, has no problems with “Social Justice”, aka Marxism. They want us to believe that Jesus was a socialist and Social Justice is a biblical solution. Does anyone else notice the profound hypocrisy of endorsing Marxism as Christian when Marx and Communism are virulently anti-God?
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Posted on June 12, 2011 at 6:29pmThere ain’t no such a thing as a LIBERAL CHRISTIAN, although Ayn Rand existed, once.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 6:36pm@isles
Report Post »ad hominem… pointless and is an admission of self-defeat. very christian though. your actions represent your pagan religion well.
Enuff Zenuff
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 6:54pm.
@CaptainKook
Thanks for introducing the “MIracle of Chile” topic… but you might try reading some more sources than the liberal-progressive one you referenced. I just lifted this recent statistic from Wiki:
“According to the United Nations Development Report of 2009 Chile has high competitiveness, quality of life, political stability, globalization, economic freedom, low perception of corruption and comparatively low poverty rates.[38]”
So, what are you complaining about? Sounds to me like excellent proof that Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand are correct! – or are you going to tell us your beloved United Nations got it wrong?
[38] ^ “Human and income poverty: developing countries”. UNDP. http://hdrstats.undp.org/indicators/25.html. Retrieved 19 May 2008.
Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 7:05pm@showtime, your podt has nothing to do with mine, not sure what your point is. Im an independant, I realized a long time ago there isnt much difference between the parties, just ook at who they bothlet wal street steal trillions and prosected noone. The fema camp thing is absolute nonsense, christians act so persecuted even though they largely run the country.
Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 7:10pmSorry about the typos, my touch screen is being stupid.
Report Post »harley10
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 7:21pmDoes anyone else see the Oxymoron of Liberal Christian etc…ever here of abortion? Who is anti Jesus us or THEM?
Report Post »Midnight Watch
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 7:31pmHere are my thoughts on the subject for anyone who might be interested. Would appreciate comments!
http://midnightwatch.typepad.com/midnight-watch/2011/06/ayn-rand-or-jesus-1.html
Report Post »CaptainKook
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 7:51pm“According to the United Nations Development Report of 2009 Chile has high competitiveness, quality of life, political stability, globalization, economic freedom, low perception of corruption and comparatively low poverty rates.[38]”
So, what are you complaining about?
Nothing, in 2009.
Now that Milton Friedman’s policies are gone [and have been for quite a while] Chile has begun to recover.
ridding a country of a fascist miltary dictatorship has benefits.
Report Post »Rice Water
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 8:18pmRand was a very handsome man!
Report Post »The1776er
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 8:21pm@JZS
I disagree with you 99% of the time, but this is the one issue (so far) that we agree on. Ayn Rand was against Jesus, as was her teachings. Jesus said in Matthew 12:30 that “He who is not with me is against me.” Unfortunately, Ayn Rand was on the side against Jesus, and no matter how many beliefs of hers you may agree with, one must still choose; “No man can serve two masters.”
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 8:24pmHey Obama, …..
It’s either Jesus or Marx…. choose brother!
Report Post »teddlybar
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 8:40pm@CaptainKook –“Right – that fascist experiment in Chile was designed by Friedman and implemented with his personal input.”
“ridding a country of a fascist military dictatorship has benefits.”
Seems to me that you just proved everyone else’s point. If Chile was a fascist military dictatorship, then it was not practicing free market capitalism since fascism seeks to control the markets through control of the populace . . . point being it’s still control, not free. Thus, you have just refuted your own argument.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 8:47pmMore vain collective salvation tripe.
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 8:53pmDoesn’t this church need to reach out to adherents of the Rand philosophy? They are reaching out to the Islamic community.
Report Post »click_name_4_impeachment
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 8:55pmwhy must you choose one or the other??? one is political the other is spiritual…..Why can’t one like her politics, and like the humanity of Jesus……..its a trick question…..and only ig norant people will fall for it….they are trying to force a multiple choice question on you as if those are the only choices available…..
Report Post »Obsydyon
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:08pmHow stupid is this group? The right’s embrace of Ayn Rand shows an open mindedness that we have always possessed. You do not have to agree about everything with another person in order to accept that that person has some good ideas. We do not vilify people for holding differing viewpoints. I don’t have to choose between Jesus and Rand because I do not deify or worship her. I respect her, I worship God. She doesn’t need to attend church or be a Christian to make sense. What’s truly ironic is that this group personally embodies exactly what she hated about religion: they attempt to use faith in God to bully people into closing their minds and accepting false premises. She valued personal morality and didn’t understand the fulfilling side of faith. Instead, she sought to be controlled by no one, which in her mind meant a revulsion toward religion. People who follow any leader blindly – whether that leader be a government leader, a religious leader, or a charismatic leader – they all take a risk. The question is, who do you follow, because some will lead you right off a cliff. It is only people who can’t see past black and white who would say that belief in God must necessarily negate any respect for an atheistic person. That also shows a strong religious immaturity.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:20pmThey are practicing for when all decent Americans are herded into re-education camps.
Report Post »gadgetcoder
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:23pmThe same can be said of the Far-Lefties there, Kook…in fact more so…
MO of the left:
Report Post »1) Lie
2) Misrepresent the facts
3) When the facts are openly proven, change the subject, or screetch as loudly as possible, that Conservatives are “racist”…
encinom
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:29pmAyn Rand elevated greed to the only virture, you can not following the teaching of Christ, his teaching of charity, while spewing the hell inspired teachings of rand. Rand believed in survival of the fittest, no room for compasion or safety nets (of course she did take medicare when it benefited her).
“If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject.” Ayn Rand. How Christ like is that quote, how do you “good” Christians follow those teachings and Christ who commanded his followers to feed the hungry, to give ones possesions away to help those that are less fortunate.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:36pmI have read some perceptive posts here, but it saddens me to see people who claim to be Christians taking up the banner of Ayn Rand and holding it high. She wasn’t just an athiest. She rejected and mocked the very values Christ taught (as Nietzsche did before her).
Her philosophy is that a powerful person’s happiness was the “moral purpose” of his life (quoted above). If a man can achieve wealth and power, and subjugate others to his will, although they suffer and even die, that is his right. The powerful man defines what is “right” by his actions. In Ayn Rand’s view there is no morality in the conventional sense of the word. Whatever the powerful man does IS moral because by definition, his definition, his acts are moral. In Rand’s philosophy, there is no morality as Christians or members of other world religions understand it.
“He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.” -Proverbs 14:31
“The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.” -Proverbs 29:7
Love Ayn Rand if you want, but don‘t claim you’re a Christian unless you want me to post another 100 quotes that are in direct conflict with Rand’s philosophy. The two philosophies cannot be reconciled, as Rand herself says in the video.
Report Post »Seede
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:19pmYou are right CAPTAINKOOK – All of us should know our enemy and to know your enemy is to listen to them. Eventually they will expose their true self — That should be the job of the news outlets but sadly they too are controlled by the Progressive Communists Socialists. That is the reason that I listen to Glen Beck. His is the voice of decency along with truth in most of what he says. I didn’t say he was perfect but he is more so than most others out there.
Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:34pm@jzs, nietzche was one of the greatest minds in history, rand was a pathetic and cruel human being, makig facile comparisons between the two is foolish.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:58pmThis is aginst Free Will , DEMS don’t believe in Free WILL ! ! ! ! !
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 12:00amginsberg, I’m, frankly, 30 years out of college and the formal study of philosophy. I remember only a little of his philosophy, although I was fascinated by his writings at the time and read much of what he wrote (alhtough I admit I never read “Thus Spoke Zarathustra”).
If you say my comparison to Rand is “facile” I’ll accept that. But what from what little I remember, Rand seems like she borrowed a lot from Nietzsche.
Honestly I’d like to hear your thoughts. It’s been a long time.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 12:22amAyn Rand is right! She understands the lie of religion, the lie of socialism and truth of freedom
Report Post »Hobbs57
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 12:32am@ JZS – Once again, for all your intelligence, you can’t get past your intellect to fully understand Rand. You are projecting your views upon Christians of organized religion. Unless you are of a place of faith, it is then impossible for you understand the perspective there in. Just as every great philosopher doesn’t agree, the reasons are not because one is wrong, but because they see their world only through their eye.
Philosophy is, and always will, only have true and real meaning to the individual who possess it. It is purely ignorant and self righteous of you to determine you have some superior power enabling you to know and understand the heart of another. What I call God, and what another may not even be close in definition, but will have the exact same naming of what God is to each as defined there in. Amazingly, as it seems most liberals, so often is the case on issues that you support one having their cake and eating it too. ALWAYS, so quick to define the Christian faith and describe the teachings of Jesus from a perspective using knowledge as the base. Jesus did not pat take in the tree of knowledge, he spoke in terms of wisdom. One can not understand spiritual ideas in thought, for they bare bo existence in the material realm, there for, one must feel the spirit and then interpret it’s meaning according to the dictates of each individual. Ayn Rand‘s lack of spiritual enlightenment doesn’t mean she hadn’t delivered ideas that suit the soul.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 7:24amHey capt. kook,
Report Post »What vacuum do you live in because 75% of the news networks are liberal or left of center. And 95% of entertain is liberal and yet you idiots still can’t Fundamentally change America in the euro-socialist government or destroy the Cnstitution to bring America under rule of a One world Government. So now you invade religion and think that will be the answer…….YOU’LL NEVER LEARN
Salvation isn‘t achieved through taxation paying the government because you’re forced to or face penality of law ISN‘T GIVING FROM THE HEART AND IT DAMN SURE ISN’T CHARITY TO FUND MO0RE GOVERNMENT JOBS TO DECIDE WHERE THE “CHARITY GOES”
What you support and believe in is tantamount to slavery as goevrnment increases in size and scope one day you’ll wake up in a Nazi Germany that you helped create.
If not for the good people that still beleive that a nation of self governed citizens can exist.
Who would Jesus bomb?
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 8:56amCaptain cooked go F$CK YOURSELF! You are not a troll, you are the troll’s FECES.
Report Post »jackrorabbit
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 9:11amOK, I don’t get it. Where is the problem? She doesn’t believe in God, but she does believe in private rights(natural rights). I think the founder’s were in the same vein as she is, they only differed on who God is. It is a PERSONAL choice, but her views on capitalism vs. socialism are dead on.
Report Post »Is it really that hard for the “smartest”(i.e. elite liberal thinkers) to separate one idea from another?
gobluebuckeye
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 9:54amAs a devout Christan, I love Ayn Rand. I might disagree with her philosophy when it comes to the existence of God, but I also understand Rand and she has to have logical, provable proof before she will claim anything as factual. She did not have a faith concept, but that‘s not for me to judge and for these Soros Christan’s to say this dribble is ridiculous. I completely agree with Ayn Rand almost every one of her views on Government and Society, and its because of her application of logic A = A that I appreciate and do agree with her, but because we have one disagreement albeit , a important one, does not mean I cannot appreciate even admire Ayn Rand. Liberals just don’t like her because a study of her works her philosophy (Objectism), blows away the disagreements liberals pose. She scares the hell out of them, and she should. If people read and understood her, people like our nations worst President Obama would never have seen Congress let alone the oval office.
Report Post »JohnGalt
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 10:19amAgain the left is trying to twist and turn things in on the People of this nation! There is no contradictions between Rand and Christianity.As a person who believes both, this is just the left who wants to destroy everything.
Who is John Galt!
Report Post »JohnGalt
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 10:25amjoe conservative
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 10:59am wrote,
“Aside from the obvious reasons, I could never be a liberal just due to the fact that I could never sit around and tell others what is best for them. How arrogant do you have to be to do that? Liberalism is a mental disorder. ”
I totally agree with you there! It makes my skin crawl when a Leftist tells me, “Well you should” dictatorship is in their blood.
Report Post »runner68
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 10:52amYou are correct brother, you do need to expose yourself to all sides however, you do need to have your own convictions. Come on though…far right…really do you need to do that?
Report Post »CuteGeek
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 11:19amHow much you want to bet Spooky dude is behind this???
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 1:39pm@P0WAM3
Report Post »Does your “We The People” believe in elected representative government (a Republic)? If the majority elects someone aren’t they “We The People”, even if you don’t agree with them?
Brooke Lorren
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 3:43pmI personally don’t care what some group thinks… I’ll decide for myself.
Report Post »Bloody Sam
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 3:58pmOne does not “follow” Ayn Rand. She is not a leader or a Messiah. She was an author who held certain philosophical beliefs. It is not inconsistent to have an affinity for some of those beliefs…like small government, self sufficiency and hold Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
Report Post »Once again, a group of Looney Lefties paints all others to the Right of their position with the same broad brush.
Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 6:20pmLiberal Christian group??
Report Post »Is that like “jumbo shrimp”?
Rampart
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 6:44pmI‘ve posted my comment 5 times now and I’m apparently being censored…!?! If this keep up, I’ll go back to Drudge.
Report Post »Naurya
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 8:07pmIsn’t it interesting that when the progressives want us to agree with them on a person, we have to take them with a “grain of salt” (i.e. Jeremiah Wright, Barrack Obama,Joe Biden, Ben Bernake etc) ignoring their obvious lapses of honest or character or intent, but, when we point out some of the good points of a person, it has absolutely to be 100% consistent with the whole person. Think of the wasted effort just displayed by the progressives regarding Sarah Palin. What effort to find a flaw, but no efforts at all towards for example George Soros???? Manipulation of truth is propaganda and a lie. Who is the father of lies according to Jesus???
Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 10:44pm@jzs, rand may have borrowed from nietzche, but she completely missed the humor and kindness in his writing, not to mention the sheer complexity of his thought. Her whole philosophy is just a ripoff of one of nietzche’s most misunderstood ideas, master and slave morality. Lets just say she was no master.
Report Post »Hobbs57
Posted on June 13, 2011 at 10:47pm@ Naurya _ exactly !! You hit the nail on the head. This is what I was trying to say but got lost in my own ability to articulate in a way these hypocritical progressives would understand. They are ALWAYS this way. They are so full of it about Rand anyways. How n the world can they possibly not believe in God, yet, they can determine when a person ideals don’t align with people of faiths ?? INSANE, they are.
Report Post »Good stuff. I love the way you put it … Thak You !
ILUVJESUS
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 12:21amShe made great points but the selfishness at it’s root is very unlike the biblical theme of self sacrifice.
Report Post »bmwrider
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 1:27amThis “ayn rand” guy is one ugly fella!
Report Post »caitthegreat
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:16amthis whole conversation made me so angry, and it has nothing to do with ayn rand!
i have seen so many “christians” on this post (and website!) insisting that you cannot be both liberal and christian. so many people assuming they are right and that there couldn’t possibly be another political opinion a christian could possess. how dare you insinuate that liberals cannot be real christians? have you decided to completely ignore “judge not, lest you be judged?”
what is wrong with you all? where is your love? your empathy? your understanding? the jesus i read about in the bible would be sick to tears at all of your judgment and hate.
who cares about ayn rand? it‘s ridiculous to assume you can’t appreciate SOME PARTS of her philosophy while still maintaining your religious beliefs. what a silly story. and what a bunch of hateful people. i truly hope and pray that there is more to the readers of this forum than such vitriol.
Report Post »TotallyBelievableGuy
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 2:47amThey’re entirely correct. Ayn Rand herself was entirely against charity, and her entire philosophy was a bunch of half-baked rationalizations on why being a douche-bag is socially acceptable.
Report Post »vidshooter
Posted on June 14, 2011 at 3:46pmTo me, this is a great example of letting the left frame the debate. Ayn Rand is as wrong about her Christian views as is Karl Marx. And, neither can tell the difference between charity given because of a change of heart, given freely, and the Gov’t taking my money to redistribute at the point of a gun. The Christianity Ayn describes through the character of a social worker in Atlas Shrugged is actually socialism in action, NOT Christianity.
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